Ten Day Countdown Begins – FISA Authorization Expiring…

The Senate is scheduled to go back into recess March 13, 2020.  Additionally, the DOJ/FBI response to the FISA court order (due February 5th) has still not been made public.  If congress is going to reauthorize the controversial FISA provisions, they have ten days.

In November of 2019 buried deep in the congressional budget Continuing Resolution (CR) was a short-term extension to reauthorize the FISA “business records provision”, the “roving wiretap” provision, the “lone wolf” provision, and the more controversial bulk metadata provisions [Call Detail Records (CDR)], all parts of the Patriot Act.  As a result of the FISA CR inclusion the terminal deadline was pushed to March 15, 2020.

AG Bill Barr is requesting a clean FISA renewal with no reforms or revisions. Senate Leader Mitch McConnell and Judiciary Chairman Lindsey Graham support the AG request.

Representatives requesting FISA reform prior to renewal include: Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Doug Collins, Jody Rice, Devin Nunes and Steve Scalise. Additionally, Senators Mike Lee, Ted Cruz and Senator Rand Paul are trying to force reform or let the current version expire. The American people want it scrapped, or, at a minimum strongly revised.

Congress is trying to hide the FISA renewal within the Coronavirus appropriations bill.

Prior to the December 9, 2019, inspector general report on FISA abuse, FISA Court judges Rosemary Collyer (declassified 2017) and James Boasberg (declassified 2019) both identified issues with the NSA bulk database collection program being exploited for unauthorized reasons. For the past several years no corrective action taken by the intelligence community has improved the abuses outlined by the FISA court.

Keep in mind the deadline for the DOJ to respond to the FISA court about the abusive intelligence practices identified in the Horowitz report was February 5th, more than four weeks ago. The responses from the DOJ and FBI have not been made public.

FISA Court Order – FISA Court Notice of Extension.

It appears the DOJ is trying to get the FISA reauthorization passed before the FISC declassifies the corrective action outlined from the prior court order. This response would also include information about the “sequestering” of evidence gathered as a result of the now admitted fraudulent and misrepresented information within the FISA applications.

The FISA “business records provision”, the “roving wiretap” provision, the “lone wolf” provision, and the more controversial bulk metadata provisions [Call Detail Records (CDR)], again all parts of the Patriot Act, must not be reauthorized without a full public vetting of the abuses that have taken place for the past several years.

At a minimum the pending DOJ/FBI response to the FISA court needs to be made public prior to any reauthorization by congress. And to better understand the scale of the issue, the consequences when the system is abused, the upstream sequester material needs to be made public.

Let the American public see what investigative evidence was unlawfully gathered, and let us see who and what was exposed by the fraudulently obtained FISA warrants. At a minimum congress and the American people need to understand the scale of what can happen when the system is wrong – BEFORE that exact same system is reauthorized.

Declassification of existing records would reveal the November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702 search query abuse as outlined in the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer.  Who exactly are these private sector FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries?  This was a weaponized surveillance and domestic political spying operation. [The trail was laid down in specific detail by Judge Collyer – SEE HERE]

The U.S. constitution’s fourth amendment is being violated by the continued abuse of bulk metadata collection, particularly when private contractors and government officials illegally access the system.  The 2016 FISA review (party declassified in 2017) and the 2018 FISA review (party declassified in 2019) both show ongoing and systematic wrongdoing despite all prior corrective action and promises.

This needs to be stopped.

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214 Responses to Ten Day Countdown Begins – FISA Authorization Expiring…

  1. T2020 says:

    No renewal!!!

    Liked by 3 people

  2. Deplorable Canuck says:

    Those who support the renewal of FISA as is, support the illegal attempt to remove the President, in principle, and want the means to make a second attempt. Turtle and Miss Lindsey included!

    Liked by 10 people

    • De Oppresso Liber says:

      Also related — McConnell is doing to Doug Collins, who is an unshakable President Trump supporter (and running against McConnell approved swamp rat Loeffler for senate from Georgia), what he did against Moore (R-AL) in 2018, and against McDaniel (R-MS) in 2016.

      Will the Georgia republican establishment governor (Kemp) be a 2020 Haley Barbour, or will President Trump’s 95% popularity with republican voters intimidate him into doing the right thing?

      McConnell must get a clean FISA re-authorization, and his only hope of getting his caucus to fall in line is by crushing any republican candidates who openly support President Trump. Should his open, dirty, swamp rat supporting tricks for Loeffler, and against Collins backfire, and Collins jump out to a big lead………. McConnell will show who has the power and leverage — President Trump, and not himself.

      Remember, President Trump has re-nominated John Ratcliffe as ODNI, and has DARED McConnell not to support him this time. There are all kinds of swamp tentacles trying to get McConnell his clean FISA renewal, and Ratcliffe shot down again.

      D.C. power politics on full display, and McConnell trying to maintain his grip on power to protect the treasonous, corrupt swamp, as well as staying in position to try and remove President Trump again and again.

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      • DiogeneseVindicated says:

        Why does McConnell want a clean reauthorization?

        Liked by 1 person

        • dd_sc says:

          Sweep the corruption under the rug. If the Senate starts debate to reform FISC/FISA, then there is risk of exposing SSCI and Gang of 8 participation in the coup.

          Liked by 4 people

        • Dave Radetsky says:

          In addition to what dd-sc wrote, never forget that McConnell is nothing but a swamp rat. He’s not conservative, he’s GOPe who belongs to the UniParty that most Republicans and Democrats in Washington are part of. Only about 10% of Republicans in the Senate and House can be trusted to truly be solid servants of the voters and supporters of the president.

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        • De Oppresso Liber says:

          For the very same reason the entire treasonous, deep state vermin want it — to carry on their business as usual.

          Their ability to acquire valuable intelligence against their political opponents is worth its weight in gold…..literally, as far as blackmail purposes are concerned.

          And when you consider the high stakes involved in battling for control of our government, the ability to control the weaponization of intel is more valuable now than ever before, in my humble opinion.

          Remember, as Sundance has so eloquently reminded us, their are TRILLIONS at stake.

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        • Snellvillebob says:

          McConnell will most likely recieve bribes money from lobbyists which he will not share with Trump supporters.


      • azchick says:

        Don’t forget the McCain sycophant McSally that lost AZ 2 congressional seats last election and WILL lose another Senate seat this election. She has a great competitor in the primary Daniel McCarthy, a young self made millionaire, that the party won’t even recognize. McSally is a snake and AZ needs to drain it’s own McCain stain.

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    • De Oppresso Liber says:

      McConnell’s dirty tricks vs McDaniel in Mississippi occurred in 2010, nor 2016. That was the year he waged war against the TEA Party.

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    • John-Y128 says:

      PDJT supported the renewal and signed it Jan 2018, this is only a narrow piece of FISA authority. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-president-fisa-amendments-reauthorization-act-2017/


  3. The 2016 FISA review (party declassified in 2017) and the 2018 FISA review (party declassified in 2019)

    I know that I went to a lot of parties in my time, but I don’t think I ever attended a party that needed to be classified. Or was that shouldn’t have been declassified. Ahhh hell. Pass me the bong!

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  4. zekness says:

    dangers of unchecked spying on american citizens.

    a list of threats are important to list…I will list the big ones.

    a. It’s a violation of the very principle of the 4th.
    b. the citizen is not afforded representation
    c. the IC and L/E agencies can use this data at will to provide parallel construction…again, a very dangerous threat to due process.
    d. the FISC has proven is has no means and no genuine motivation to independently TEST claims of the application “evidence”
    e. No one is watching the watchers.
    f. Congress and other officials are abusing the spy powers to enrich themselves with private information that anyone else under good law would be indicted for violations of conspiracy, RICO, money laundering AND insider trading.
    g. non-oath, unelected officials are making non-legal assumptions not based on any corroborated verified evidence that a crime has been committed…rather they look to the query, find the evidence by unlawfully fraudulently invented an excuse before a secret court …and then to manufacture fake legal arguments that a crime was committed.
    h. the spy powers are being weaponized as a means to influence democratic elections.
    i. the spy powers ..the very apparatus is based on a trust argument that has proven wholly inadequate to mitigate against corrupt use of it. As ADM Rogers reported and the Mueller report confirmed. In significant case, unlawful spying and query into american citizens occurred that were never introduced before the requirements of the FISC or the law. The apparatus is so loosely monitored, unlawful abuses are common.
    j. the spy powers give the state unconstitutional control over citizens that do not support any interest of national security or counter-intelligence, human trafficking criminal investigation or drug interdiction.
    k. Spying on foreign targets do not require a FISA law or even the patriot act. This is the reality and the legal arguments made to introduce these two laws and provisions have not accomplished anything to gain an enhancement to the actuall spying on foreign targets. This was always a fraudulent argument. These laws were designed for a very controlled, limited rare situation where criminal evidence was established that involved ALSO some cases where american citizens were in some way or shape associated. ..tomorrow, the FISA and patriot act is killed and the IC loses ZERO power to surveill foreign targets and continue its mandate for counter-terrorism, espionage, intel gathering
    l. if the FBI wants to spy on an american citizen that power exists to do so lawfully using existing legal means to gain a warrant …warrants that are only achieved when it can provides convincing successful arguments before a judge that a very high standard of evidence has been demonstrated. And that the defendant, the target, is afforded his due process rights and is never denied his/her constitutional rights. the fisa and patriot act destroy these protections, which is the very reason why we have judges and courts..to protect RIGHTS..not to pencil whip police state spy powers and destroy the lives of innocent people!

    I could go on with a larger list….and there are more direct threats to the freedom and liberty and rights of american citizens to list….But these are the big ones.

    we are a very crucial moment. We must not allow this to become institutionalized.

    what they have done to a president of the united states, unchecked…and pushed under the rug…and now want to continue it…

    that my friends is the black flag moment….the rights you have assumed..those that you have enjoyed..your natural rights…they mean nothing

    this must end right now!

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    • amazed treetop downlooker says:



    • icthematrix says:

      Excellent and absolutely correct. I despise McTurtle and his swamp toads.

      Liked by 2 people

    • lolli says:



      • GB Bari says:

        Looks like the President reauthorized section 702 in 2018 for 6 years – until 2024.

        Liked by 1 person

      • zekness says:


        This part of the 702 IS NOT the section of the law that was used to unlawfully spy on this president and his orbit.

        AND it’s important to realize not to CONFLATE this law to also mean, “business as usual”.

        Now, yes, I have a problem with FISA in general, but this particular re-authorization is a lessor priority of my concern than the other aspects of FISA and patriot act “enhancements” that remain will soon come up before congress..and again the President will have to make some wise and important decisions.

        let me refer you to the content of the official release from the whitehouse that shows what this earlier 2018 Jan 18 re-authorization actually means.

        “Section 702 provides robust privacy protections for American citizens, and most importantly prohibits the Government from using it to target Americans and persons located in the United States. Only foreigners located abroad may be targeted for surveillance under section 702. While every court to have considered section 702 has found it to be legal and consistent with the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, the Act establishes additional procedures to further protect the privacy of Americans whose communications are incidentally collected under section 702. Among these is a new requirement that in a predicated criminal investigation — an investigation with an elevated factual foundation — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) apply for and obtain an order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court before accessing the contents of section 702 — acquired communications that were retrieved using certain United States person “query” terms. By applying this provision only to certain queries in investigations unrelated to national security, the Act preserves the FBI’s ability to “connect the dots” and look for national security-related threats, especially during the critical pre‑investigation phase when it often does not yet have enough information to know whether a suspected threat relates to national security. Although the Fourth Amendment does not require a court order to query information lawfully collected under section 702 — information already lawfully in the Government’s possession — this new procedure, along with the Act’s other oversight and transparency requirements, provides further privacy safeguards, while preserving the operational effectiveness of our foreign intelligence collection efforts.

        I would have preferred a permanent reauthorization of Title VII to protect the safety and security of the Nation. By signing this Act today, however, I am ensuring that this lawful and essential intelligence program will continue to protect Americans for at least the next 6 years. We cannot let our guard down in the face of foreign threats to our safety, our freedom, and our way of life.”

        again, I DO have a problem with the FISA and this one is also worrisome and adds to the risk of abuse. BUT IT IS NOT the same level of threat to rule of law and 4th amendment and due process problems that relate to the unlawful and criminal conduct that FBI (and many others abused) to attempt a political coup. These are NOT the same issues…related yes, but it’s important to understand they are not to be conflated as the same issue.

        I DO think this administration missed the opportunity back in 2018 to understand these laws are unnecessary at all to give the foreign target surveillance powers to the IC…but those legal arguments are weighty and would involve rolling back and inviting and exposing and risking the cases and investigations that have taken place since the late 70’s!!!! (again, not saying that is a good excuse to allow it to continue, but that IS the reality ..and not just a political reality. There have been MANY persons, foreign AND citizens who were targets, indicted, detained, and convicted, and locked up using these powers…unwinding the ENTIRE set of provisions under 702 spells real trouble and a host of lengthy legal arguments likely inviting the nature of SCOTUS to weigh in. I am not saying these things are not worth pursuing, because it would appear the original reason for FISA has evolved and deformed well beyond the premise and the threat and the reason it was made law…)

        at this point in time, we are looking to destroy some of the elements of the FISA provisions AND the patriot act….those that legally authorize the IC and FBI to continue as they have before to go well beyond the general use case and limits of 702.

        So there is a difference, even if I can make a good argument none of them are very solid to protecting american security and preventing further abuse.

        I’ll post something more about this later, if SD doesn’t beat me to it…which I am sure, he is probably working on, has worked on, has the experience and the skill to take this issue apart layer by layer.


      • OhNoYouDont says:


        (F)… (I)…(Surveillance)…(A)

        Surveillance = Spying

        Section 702 was enacted as part of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 (FAA) and most recently reauthorized by the FISA Amendments Reauthorization Act of 2017.

        Summary: Permits the Attorney General and the DNI to jointly authorize, through certifications, the targeting of

        (i) non-U.S. persons
        (ii) who are reasonably believed to be located outside the United States
        (iii) to acquire foreign intelligence information.

        These certifications are accompanied by targeting procedures, minimization procedures, and querying procedures that are each designed to ensure that the Government’s collection is appropriately targeted against non-United States persons located overseas who may possess or are likely to communicate foreign intelligence information and that any such collection is appropriately handled in a manner that protects privacy and civil liberties.



        • John-Y128 says:

          That explained why they sent George P. outside of the US, and why Brennan was involved, he probably called his buddy Steele.


  5. Drogers says:

    Few months back PDJT had to withdraw his selection of Rep. J. Ratcliffe as DNI as he had no support from the senate.

    PDJT has since renominated Rep. Ratcliffe as DNI and everything I’m reading says, while it may take some horse trading, he’ll make it through committee hearings and get to the floor.

    Majority Leader McConnell wants a clean FICA renewal while [imho] PDJT couldn’t care less. PDJT wants J. Ratcliffe as DNI and if giving Mitch his clean FICA gets him his DNI it’s a win/win.

    I would look to see if PDJT doesn’t announce his preference for a clean renewal in the next few days.

    Soon after newly appointed DNI Ratcliffe will address his organization saying he’s there to kick ass and chew bubblegum and he’s fresh out of bubblegum.

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    • GB Bari says:

      “ Majority Leader McConnell wants a clean FICA renewal while [imho] PDJT couldn’t care less.“

      To the contrary, the President cares a LOT – and has so stated – about reforming the Act to provide significant additional safeguards to prevent further abuse before he will approve it.

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      • Linda K. says:

        If Radcliffe can take charge, the FISA will be in better hands. He may even be able to declaw it and discipline the intel agencies. But, we don’t need the FISA anymore or the corrupt FBI and CIA. It all only works if the people in charge have integrity.

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  6. Bird Watcher says:

    Ah Ha! Now I understand why McConnell doesn’t want Collins in the senate. He (Collins) is against clean FISA renewal. What a slimy weasel he is (no offense to actual weasels).

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    • dd_sc says:

      McConnell doesn’t want conservatives in general in the Senate; and certainly not pro-MAGA conservatives. That’s part of the reason McConnell recommended Jeff Sessions for AG. McConnell moved one of Trump’s biggest supporters on immigration policy out of the Senate.

      The last thing McConnell and his paymasters want is something like the Freedom Caucus in the Senate. We’ve seen all too often how 2-4 senators can stop legislation in its tracks. Just think of the problems McConnell would have if there were 3-4 freedom caucus types along with Rand Paul forcing debate on issues.

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    • We are tired of having our good names drug through the mud and will go to court if the libel and slander does not cease. We have nothing to do with the turtle. – Weasels United For Justice.

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  7. spaceforcefan says:

    March 15th – Ides of March “was notable for the Romans as a deadline for settling debts. In 44 BC, it became notorious as the date of the assassination of Julius Caesar.” “The assassination was a conspiracy of several Roman senators, led by Marcus Junius Brutus, Cassius Longinus and Decimus Junius Brutus, at the end of the Roman Republic. They stabbed Caesar to death during a meeting of the Senate.”… Sadly the Democrats have worked themselves into such a tizzy I believe they think our VSG President Trump has appointed himself dictator for life and has already crossed the Rubicon.

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  8. sarasotosfan says:

    Are we done talking about trading a law for an appointment? I sure hope so.

    I agreed with Meadows.

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  9. billybob says:

    Anybody arrested today ?

    Liked by 1 person

  10. Don L says:

    It seems our most efficient obstacles to winning are the very leaders we elected to represent us. I’ll take a million attacking Philistines to one of the Brutus clones.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Issy says:

      If they are not representing what the people want, vote them out if there is a republican challenger. Unfortunately, we are going to have to vote for some swamp people to keep the majority for Trump, but after his term, I will never vote for these people again. I hope there will be some alternatives by 2024.


  11. Jerry Joe says:

    It’s ALL political. Perhaps it is clear why the mania, whether justified or not, over coronavirus is off the charts by the MSM; tying FISA renewal into coronavirus funding… Saying NO to FISA will be equated to turning a backside to the health of the citizenry.

    This would be a good time for POTUS to review every speech given by every past president after signing a renewal of the Charter granted to the Ferderal Reserve. Worst decisions ever made – further indebting the country to the private banking system.

    Stay strong POTUS.


  12. glissmeister says:

    Careful. There may be more to this than we see. However the extent we agree that FISA should go, I wonder about the timing.

    There are serious open investigations going on likely unveiling yet more seriously improper or illegal international infiltration of our government and elections.

    It is wise to change the rules before the dust settles? Is it wise to change the rules midstream?

    So far, the worst of the wrongdoing, frauds, crimes against our nation and people were done by those enjoying full current FISA authority and abusing same with impunity. Do we cripple our champions who are pushing back against these crimes by changing an important set of rules and dismantling tools before their work against these crimes is substantially complete?

    I don’t like FISA. It’s trustworthiness goes no farther than the character of the political party that dominates the Executive Branch. But that is also true of more than FISA, is it not?

    Do I dislike FISA so much that I want to cripple the efforts of our Constitution’s champions to make right and revenge the malignant actions involving the FISA Court and those who conspired against the American people to pursue personal self interest and partisan advantage?

    No. I don’t think any of us would argue untimeliness is a virtue in this instance. Ironically. it may be much wiser to renew FISA as-is, but renew it only for two or three more years. This will also give more time to rethink the system overall and perhaps eliminate it altogether for something better; something that better serves our nation and our people. That is certainly what we need.

    We need to make things better, not dig the pit deeper. Those investigating the diarrhea of Democrat wrongdoing deserve a certain degree of policy stability and trust. Leaving the somewhat broken FISA in place for two years more is not unreasonable or untimely.

    I trust Trump to navigate the FISA defects while protecting our nation’s best interest. Shouldn’t our support for Trump also go this far? As it relates to FISA, I’ll back his play. I want VSGPDJT to have his way in this. He’s proven he has our best interests at heart. I put my trust in that.

    The power needed to create the problem is often the power needed to clean up the wrongdoing it caused and make things right. Killing FISA at the wrong time amidst the present subterfuge doesn’t feel like making things better; it feels like digging the pit deeper, potentially harming and hamstringing people of good character who most intend to help the American people and bring the morass of wrongdoing and syndicalism to justice.

    So, perhaps it may be wiser to kick the FISA can forward to 3/15/2022. Many things will be different then. Many things made more broadly clear and more transparently understood. We’ll know more of the things needed for a better outcome that best serves the Constitutional interests of our nation and our people, and you, and me.

    There is no system or institutional structure that men and women of ill character cannot corrupt and make malignant. Whatever is ultimately done with FISA, there will be no perfect solution. Two more years with the FISA evil we know in the hands of people of good character is not such a bad gamble in the overall pursuit of a good and honest result that better serves us all.


    • We can suspend FISA and PATRIOT and then re-write whatever new legislation we need to. If need be, we can do that quickly. FISA might have sounded like a good idea in the late 70’s when people were mad at Richard Nixon, but it’s really impossible in practice. A “judge” must decide, but that judge hears only one side – the government. That judge has no independent source of information, and there is no devil’s advocate to argue why the request should not be granted. So, it’s really not a court at all. Judges like Collyer are furious to learn that they were systematically lied to, but honestly all I can say in reply is: “Your Honor, what did you expect?” 🤷‍♂️

      No, these are bad laws which are creating problems not solving them. This information is walking out of “secure” rooms in shirt pockets every day.

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    • John-Y128 says:

      FISA was reauthorized, signed by PT in Jan 2018, it expires in 2023.

      This is only about 3 FISA authorities that expired in Dec 2019.

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      • Eileen McRae says:

        I notice that the articles to which you refer us both come from the “Lawfare Blog”. Isn’t that the group that the House Democrats used extensively to make their case against President Trump in his impeachment trial? Is this not the group that is negative, negative, negative on anything to do with Trump? Is this not the group that works hand in hand with the Democrats and Obama-appointed prosecuting attorneys and judges in order to take President Trump to court for almost every policy he tries to implement or for every EO that he makes?

        I read both articles and I am left with the impression that Lawfare wants the FISA authorities left the way they are because it would benefit Democrats!

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        • John-Y128 says:

          This isn’t just for the democrats benefit, many republican support it too. And Lawfare is part of the DNC yet.


    • RightAroundTheBlock says:

      “Do I dislike FISA so much that I want to cripple the efforts of our Constitution’s champions to make right and revenge the malignant actions…”

      you Hairmaster, are seriously misguided, possibly deranged, if you actually believe the “Constitution’s Champions” are in charge of the process, or even close to being in such position within your extended time limit. It is absurd to even argue the point.

      Further, your post is the epitome of swamp logic and swampspeak. The fact there is, “no perfect solution” is of no relevance, to then make it into an argument for continued unconstitutional and corrupt “solutions” is an abomination and an embarrassment.


  13. digleigh says:

    I wrote my Senators, including Loeffler…Have you? NO RENEWAL until major changes, and the public see the FBI report to FISA court.FIRE deepstate Wray. This will be Loefflers waterloo for re election…DOUG COLLINS all the WAY!!

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  14. digleigh says:

    I wrote my Senators, including Loeffler…Have you? NO RENEWAL until major changes, and the public see the FBI report to FISA court.FIRE deepstate Wray. This will be Loefflers waterloo for re election…DOUG COLLINS all the WAY!!


  15. digleigh says:

    I wrote my Senators, including Loeffler…Have you? NO RENEWAL until major changes, and the public see the FBI report to FISA court.FIRE deepstate Wray. This will be Loefflers waterloo for re election…DOUG COLLINS all the WAY!!


  16. Obviously, “surveillance is an aphrodisiac.” Once you get up on it, you can’t come down. Suddenly it’s the most important thing in the world to know the receipt number where a friend of a friend of a friend of your political enemy ordered a chicken sandwich for lunch. Just because you can.

    I don’t quite know how PATRIOT “materialized” in its 900-page glory immediately after 9/11. (There are a lot of things we still don’t know the truth about, regarding that day.) But it and FISA have exposed us to dangers which never existed before it came. Our Founders were wise beyond measure when they encapsulated a national defense and national security policy in exactly two sentences: the Second, and the Fourth.

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  17. Doug Amos says:

    They expose themselves daily; McConnell strong arming Georgia again. Primary him Ky!

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  18. Rick says:

    Where is the president on this? He should be making clear to McConnell and Barr (his employee) that FISA cannot be attached to Covid-19 legislation and that it cannot be reauthorized with major changes.

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    • Rick says:

      Sorry, that should have said “WITHOUT major changes.”


    • GB Bari says:

      I don’t know where the body of objective analysis (of Patriot and FISA) is or how large it is but the question is -did the President have access to much of that analysis before he agreed to reauthorize or was he relying on advice from those around him who were already part of the Swamp?

      President Trump is obviously a LOT wiser about the continuous abuse of Americans rights by the FBI and DOJ especially using the FISA tool, so I’m hoping he is becoming a strong advocate for significant reform and resisting all swampy attempts to superficially placate his concerns. Time will tell.

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      • Eileen McRae says:

        Did you read the document on the part of FISA that was renewed in 2018? From the gist of it, there were “tweakings” made that tightened some of the weak areas of FISA. The ones that need renewal are much more open to abuses of the system. The Democrats made use of any loopholes they could to get FISA warrants to spy on the President.


    • IGiveUp says:

      “Where is the president on this? ”

      As usual, being blackmailed by McConnell and Barr and Graham and all the usual cast of characters. Nothing new. Nothing has changed. Trump attempts to govern without the support of either of the (current) two main political parties. Ergo, the institutions work against him at every turn. That’s how our system is designed to work. If we want to change that we’ll have to reform or break the existing parties. Trump and Sanders are, of course, in the process of doing that. Interesting times…


      • lolli says:



        • IGiveUp says:

          Dear Lolli. Horrible to consider but the coup attempt is a feature of our system, not a flaw. Think of the Establishment (liberal at this time but conservative in the past) as a hive. It’s built to withstand assault and protect the queen. Everyone has their job to protect the existence of the hive. What I want is to get to the Queen and replace her and then have the hive function for me and protect me and what I value, and,of course, raise an army to battle outsiders.


  19. Kaco says:

    Yes, enough!

    They aren’t fighting “terrorism” in the traditional sense of Islamic. They are fighting “white supremacy” so they want to spy on right wingers and 4 chan trolls.

    “Yesterday, the FBI made a big show of arresting multiple alleged members of a “white supremacist” group they have designated as a national security threat equivalent to ISIS.

    Federal prosecutors have charged black metal fan Cameron Denton, the Nazi Al-Baghdadi, with telling the police to send SWAT teams after a journalist and a politician as a childish prank.

    Four other cohorts in “AtomWaffen,” mostly young Chan trolls, were also taken into custody in the multi-state terror raid over mailing the Israeli lobbyists at the Anti-Defamation League edgy fliers that say “Our Patience Has Its Limits.””

    Meanwhile, apparently the administration is giving more money to Islamic groups than Obama did. Has Pres Trump been alerted to this?


    “U.S. Funding of Islamist “Charity” Groups Triples Under Trump”

    “The amount of American taxpayer dollars that go to Islamist organizations has drastically increased under the Trump administration, which has doled out millions to radical nonprofits, including a recent allocation to a terrorist front group named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a terrorism financing trial. Between 2017 and 2018 the U.S. government more than tripled its funding to organizations either influenced or controlled by Islamist activists from $4 million to $13.5 million, according to an analysis conducted by a think tank dedicated to protecting Western values from Middle Eastern threats.”


  20. Dave Radetsky says:

    I hope I’m wrong, but I’ll be stunned if they don’t renew FISA authority. The swamp is very deep and with Barr, McConnell, and Graham pushing for it, it’d be very surprising if they don’t renew it. We need a miracle to stop it and I’d encourage everyone to be praying about this.


  21. TJ says:

    Biden takes credit for the Patriot Act. No wonder Brennan endorsed him.

    “I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill,” – Joe Biden


    • GB Bari says:

      Maybe Biden’s name and signature were on that bill but there’s no way in this universe that plagiarizing braggart-mouthed idiot wrote anything other than his signature on Quid-pro-quo payment checks he constantly received. He’s taking credit; but some group of nefarious Deep State players wrote the language.



  22. islandpalmtrees says:

    Sundance, could this be the answer to your question.

    Sundance writes: “Who exactly are these private sector FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries? ”

    Meet the contractors analyzing your private data Private companies are getting rich probing your personal information for the government.
    Call it Digital Blackwater TIM SHORROCK JUNE 10, 2013

    Amid the torrent of stories about the shocking new revelations about the National Security Agency, few have bothered to ask a central question. Who’s actually doing the work of analyzing all the data, metadata and personal information pouring into the agency from Verizon and nine key Internet service providers for its ever-expanding surveillance of American citizens?



  23. Rick says:

    Bundling bad bills into necessary ones is evil and has to stop. We the people need to force Congress to review “one bill at a time” and vote on “one bill at a time.”

    And BTW, I am against funding for the Corona virus. I have zero faith in pharma produced concoctions. Can anyone document one vaccine that’s ever conferred immunity on anyone? Certainly not the measles vaccine…



  24. OhNoYouDont says:

    President Trump tweet on the morning of January 11, 2018, just before the House vote on reauthorizing Section 702.

    Section 702 was enacted as part of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 (FAA) and most recently reauthorized by the FISA Amendments Reauthorization Act of 2017.

    I believe President Trump agrees with his DNI nominee on the subject of FISA.
    FISA is necessary for “the fight of international terrorism.”
    FISA may need reformed but not eliminated.

    John Ratcliffe who is the only GOP House member who sits on both the Intel and Judiciary committees. Therefore he is a lead GOP investigator in Congress.

    As a reminder John Ratcliffe is one of only four members of congress who has reviewed all of the classified documents that surrounds the current background for the Inspector General report on FISA abuse.


    Thank you, chairman.

    As a former US Attorney, it was, and still is my opinion that FISA is an important tool against the fight of international terrorism.

    I think it’s estimated that 25% of our actionable, um, intelligence on foreign terrorists comes from FISA authorities, like, such as Section 702.

    Which is not up for re-authorization but, um, my point is the properly used reauthorized of certain FISA authorities should be non-controversial and should be bi-partisan.

    The problem is many of us, which has been pointed out, including those of us with access to classified information have seen what appeared to be egregious abuses and misuses of FISA authorities.

    And corresponding misrepresentations before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court itself.

    Specifically, as it pertains to Obama Administration DOJ and FBI officials in securing the FISA order on at least one US citizen back in October of 2016, named Carter Page.

    Many of us do believe the Obama Justice Department verified an unverifiable dossier, which was funded by the Democratic party to secure an order, allowing the surveillance of former Trump associate, Mr Page.

    Many of us also believe the Obama Justice Department had exculpatory evidence on the issue of probable cause that was not provided to the FISA court.

    At least not provided to the court during the pendency by the FISA order itself….
    I’ll just leave it to the Inspector General has written a report. Um, we’ll see whose right and we’ll see who’s wrong.

    I’m afraid fortunately the Inspector General is going to find that, um, folks on my side of the isle are right

    That FISA procedures were abused and were not followed and will offer recommendations to correct that and then again, we’ll see.

    House Judiciary holds hearing on Oversight of the Foreign Intel Surveillance Act
    Sep 18, 2019


    Liked by 2 people

    • islandpalmtrees says:

      Do I need to list every FISA abuse from it’s beginning here? Rules, laws, etc. mean nothing without enforcement!

      The IC and the FISA courts have had years of failure.

      Shut it down.

      Liked by 1 person

      • OhNoYouDont says:

        I know all the abuses.

        I been on this site since Susan Rice denied unmasking American citizens in March 2017, along with similar sites trashing FISA on both sides of the political divide.

        What I find ridiculous is when this site favors a Trump Administration policy, the credit goes to President Trump. When this site disfavors a Trump Administration policy, the blame goes to anybody but Trump.

        Do I need to list every government official who has been abused from the beginning of Trump’s inaugural here?

        Why ignore Presidential Executive Order 12333?

        Permanent Enhanced Surveillance Procedures which may target a US person outside the United States, which are not subject to FISA’s sunset provisions:
        Presidential Executive Order 12333 (EO 12333)
        Fact Sheet on E.O. 12333 Raw SIGINT Availability Procedures

        Click to access FactSheetEO12333RawSIGINTProcedures.pdf

        Central Intelligence Agency Intelligence Activities: Procedures Approved by the Attorney General Pursuant to Executive Order 12333, January 2017, at:

        CIA’s Updated Executive Order 12333 Attorney General Guidelines, January 2017, at


        • islandpalmtrees says:


          President Trump had nothing to do with Order #12333 amendment but Obama did.

          Executive Order #12333: Reagan, Bush & Obama Pave the Way to Surveillance Overreach
          By KJ McElrath -March 17, 2017
          Executive Order 12333 was amended twice under the Bush II Administration, each time giving the NSA greater power and latitude. Then, in January, just prior to leaving office, President Obama signed off on new rules, greatly expanding the NSA’s power to share its vast trove of personal communications with sixteen other intelligence agencies – including all four branches of the military, the Department of Homeland Security, the Treasury Department and yes – the CIA.


          Look at the last page of Executive Order 12333 of this amendment
          John O. Brennan SIGNED OFF
          Loretta E. Lynch SIGNED OFF

          Click to access CIA-AG-Guidelines-Signed.pdf

          January 17, 2017

          Executive Order 12333, signed on December 4, 1981 by U.S. President Ronald Reagan, was an Executive Order intended to extend powers and responsibilities of U.S. intelligence agencies and direct the leaders of U.S. federal agencies to co-operate fully with CIA requests for information. This executive order was titled United States Intelligence Activities


          • OhNoYouDont says:

            I know all about EO 12333 … who do you think brought it up (for days now)?

            EO 12333 does not get the scrutiny from Congress / Civil Libertarians than FISA / Patriot Act does.

            Politics as usual …


      • OhNoYouDont says:

        Presidential Memorandum for the Director of National Intelligence
        Issued on: January 9, 2018

        By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Security Act of 1947 (50 U.S.C. 3001 et seq.), as amended, I hereby order as follows:

        Section 1. Requirement for Procedures. (a) The Director of National Intelligence shall, within 30 days of the date of this memorandum, issue and release publicly a policy requiring that each element of the Intelligence Community (IC) develop and maintain procedures for responding to requests from Federal, State, local, tribal, or territorial government officials for non-public identity information concerning known unconsenting United States persons that was originally omitted from disseminated intelligence reports.

        (b) The procedures developed pursuant to subsection (a) of this memorandum shall supplement and not supersede:

        (i) procedures for the collection, retention, and dissemination of information concerning United States persons established pursuant to section 2.3 of Executive Order 12333 of December 4, 1981 (United States Intelligence Activities), as amended;

        (ii) standard minimization procedures established pursuant to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq.); and

        (iii) any other procedures for the collection, retention, or dissemination of information concerning United States persons required by law.

        Sec. 2. Notification. The Director of National Intelligence may not modify or otherwise supersede the issued guidance, or any successor guidance, absent notification to the President, through the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, of the proposed modifications or new guidance and the passage of 30 days following such notification.

        Sec. 3. Definitions. For the purposes of this memorandum, the terms “Intelligence Community” and “United States person” shall have the meanings given to them in section 3.5 of Executive Order 12333, as amended.




        • islandpalmtrees says:

          It’s all about your point of view. Read On

          Presidential Memorandum for the Director of National Intelligence
          Issued on: January 9, 2018

          He is saying the the DNI needs to come up with the Policy for “collection, retention, and dissemination of information concerning…non-public identity information concerning known unconsenting United States persons…”

          Further he says that the DNI may not just make up new rules, the rules have to be the ones that are law and guidance from previous cases and directives.

          Essentially, publish how it CURRENTLY IS and HAS BEEN.

          “Please tell the world how screwed up and horrible FISA is, you have 30 days, go.”

          This looks to me like a step in correcting the Obama era domestic intelligence over reach.

          Unmasking is supposed to be rare and only under FISA Court authority, certainly not for political oppo research. There has been speculation in the last day or so that Trump team was unmasked without FISA court approval.



    • OhNoYouDont says:

      October 18, 2019

      Yesterday, a bunch of civil liberties groups issued a letter calling for FISA 702 reform as part of the Section 215 reauthorization this year. I agree that the reauthorization this year should address the problems with 702 that weren’t addressed last year, though even on FISA, the letter doesn’t go far enough. DOJ IG will soon issue a report partly addressing the Carter Page FISA application, and that will provide an opportunity to push to make reforms to traditional (individual) FISA, such as making it clear that some defendants must get to review the underlying affidavit. Similarly, it doesn’t make sense reforming Section 215’s subpoena function without, at the same time, reforming the subpoena authority that DEA uses for a similar dragnet that undergoes far less oversight, particularly given that Bill Barr is the guy who first authorized that DEA dragnet in his first go-around as authoritarian Attorney General.

      But it’s also the case that the surveillance community could — and arguably has an opportunity to — address EO 12333 as well.

      The Executive branch has been exploiting the tension between EO 12333 (foreign surveillance that, because it is “foreign,” is conducted under the exclusive authority of Article II) and FISA (“domestic” surveillance overseen by the FISA court) since Dick Cheney launched Stellar Wind on bogus claims the collection on foreign targets in the US amounted to “foreign” surveillance. From 2004 to 2008, Congress moved parts of that under FISA. But at several points since, the government has reacted to FISA restrictions by moving their surveillance under EO 12333, most notably when it moved much of its collection of Internet metadata under EO 12333 in 2012.

      Unfortunately, most of the surveillance community and reporters covering such issues have been woefully unaware of even the limited public disclosures on EO 12333 surveillance (which for a time was branded as SPCMA). That made activism around Section 215 far less effective, as few people understood that Section 215 data was and remains just a small part of a larger, duplicative dragnet, and a lot of the claims made about the need for USA Freedom Act didn’t account for precisely what role the Section 215 dragnet played in the larger whole.

      As one of its last acts, the Obama Administration institutionalized EO 12333 sharing across intelligence agencies, formalizing what Dick Cheney had been aiming for all along, just before Donald Trump took over. At least as soon as that happened, the FBI (and other agencies, including but not limited to CIA) obtained a source of content that paralleled (and like the metadata dragnet, surely is significantly duplicative with) Section 702 collection.

      That means the Section 702 opinion released last week discusses querying methods that may also be applied, in the same systems, to EO 12333 data. Indeed, one aspect of the querying procedures FBI finally adopted — that queries limited “such that it cannot retrieve unminimized section 702-acquired information” — is the kind of setting that NSA used to re-run queries that returned FISA information so as to return, instead, only EO 12333 data that could be shared under different rules with less oversight. Furthermore, the regime set up under EO 12333, which already includes squishy language about queries “for the purpose of targeting” a US person (suggesting other purposes are permissible), has the same kind of internal approval process that the government wanted to adopt with 702.


      • islandpalmtrees says:

        I agree, remove EO 12333, too.


      • islandpalmtrees says:

        In addition to the FISA ACT


        • OhNoYouDont says:

          It would easier if everybody called it what it is ….

          The reauthorization of the USA Freedom Act

          The USA Freedom Act (H.R. 2048, Pub.L. 114–23) is a U.S. law enacted on June 2, 2015 that restored and modified several provisions of the Patriot Act, which had expired the day before. The act imposes some new limits on the bulk collection of telecommunication metadata on U.S. citizens by American intelligence agencies, including the National Security Agency. It also restores authorization for roving wiretaps and tracking lone wolf terrorists. The title of the act is a ten-letter backronym (USA FREEDOM) that stands for Uniting and Strengthening America by Fulfilling Rights and Ensuring Effective Discipline Over Monitoring Act of 2015.



  25. dwpender says:

    A perpetually secret, ex parte, court is utterly inconsistent with our Constitution.

    Even Courts that were really “on the ball” and zealously protective of citizens’ privacy rights could not possibly effectively oversee, supervise and prevent abuse of “spying powers” once authorized by FISA warrants. Courts are institutionally unsuited, and were never intended or expected to, provide such oversight.

    No “reforms” can fix this. No additional layer of employees or contractors on the public dole, such as the proposed “citizen advocate” (who would operate in the dark, and with no possible ability to consult with and represent the interests of the target “client(s)”) can fix this.

    It pains me greatly to hear “our guys” demanding only reforms (we’ll change 2% of the legal technocratic language of unreadable 1000+ page bills), rather than repeal.

    Repeal FISA and Patriot entirely. (If the Supreme Court really fulfilled its constitutional function, it would strike these down as unconstitutional and save the other branches the need to repeal.)

    Liked by 1 person

    • islandpalmtrees says:

      Excellent – now allow me to add just a little. Sundance has told us these so called lawmakers (our guys) don’t even write their own laws now. So is it even our guys demanding 2% of the legal technocratic language of unreadable 1000+ page bills, rather than repeal. I think not?

      Liked by 1 person

      • OhNoYouDont says:

        Yes, I understand.

        The best example:
        Sundance explained the “The US Chamber of Commerce” in regards to trade policy.

        Trump came in and has blown up that cabal.

        Liked by 1 person

  26. islandpalmtrees says:

    The FISA process requires NSA Databases as most of us know; But did you also know that these Databases require massive communication lines and that these communication lines require ongoing support too.

    Now realize that leaks of your personal information are possible at every step. Still want the FISA process. Then guess who is paying for all of this.

    NSA Large Supercomputers Need Large Communication Lines. And, the price is high


    The same group, which includes other major contractors such as Northrop Grumman, won NSA’s recompete of Groundbreaker, which was set to expire in September 2017.

    The resolved bid protest is another boon for AT&T’s government business, which has scored a string of high-profile federal contracts.

    The tech giant snagged a $6.5 billion contract to build, deploy and maintain the nation’s first public safety broadband network last March; was one of 10 vendors to win a spot on a telecommunications contract valued at up to $50 billion; and became one of 60 vendors to win a spot on the Alliant 2 contract, also valued at up to $50 billion.


  27. I grew up in a swampy area in southeast Texas and my brothers and I spent a lot of time in the swamps fishing and hunting. My father would always tell us if a snapping turtle latched onto us it would almost be impossible to get it to let go. He said to piss on it and it’ll let go. I say the same about McConnell.

    Liked by 1 person

  28. hangtownbob says:

    The Senate is scheduled to go back into recess March 13, 2020.
    Does this mean that PDT can then make numerous “recess appointments” of more Federal judges and other positions which normally require Senate confirmation?

    Liked by 1 person

  29. OhNoYouDont says:

    Jim Jordan (R-OH 4) has been nominated by House GOP to assume the Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee on March 12, 2020.

    President Trump retweeted this tweet from Jim Jordan from an appearance on FOX News talking about FISA re-authorization markups on the House Judiciary Committee.


  30. OhNoYouDont says:

    No FISA business is listed on the Senate Judiciary calendar, but 14 more Federal judges are going through the vetting process.



    I. Nominees

    Fernando L. Aenlle-Rocha, to be United States District Judge for the Central District of California

    Stanley Blumenfeld, to be United States District Judge for the Central District of California

    John C. Hinderaker, to be United States District Judge for the District of Arizona

    Mark C. Scarsi, to be United States District Judge for the Central District of California

    John Leonard Badalamenti, to be United States District Judge for the Middle District of Florida

    William Scott Hardy, to be United States District Judge for the Western District of Pennsylvania

    John F. Heil III, to be United States District Judge for the Northern, Eastern and Western Districts of Oklahoma

    David Cleveland Joseph, to be United States District Judge for the Western District of Louisiana

    Anna M. Manasco, to be United States District Judge for the Northern District of Alabama

    Drew B. Tipton, to be United States District Judge for the Southern District of Texas

    Grace Karaffa Obermann, to be a Judge of the United States Court of Federal Claims

    Stephen Sidney Schwartz, to be a Judge of the United States Court of Federal Claims

    Kathryn C. Davis, to be a Judge of the United States Court of Federal Claims

    Edward Hulvey Meyers, to be a Judge of the United States Court of Federal Claims


  31. Bob Knows says:

    The current judges were part of the criminal conspiracy against President Trump. If the FISA court expires all sitting FISA judges would be terminated from their positions. That would allow an entirely new bench of new conservative judges to be appointed when (IF) it get reauthorized.


  32. cherokeepeople says:

    saw this morning that even adam schiff does not want fisa tied to the corona funding bill.imagine that .
    without renewel there are still parts for fisa valid til 2024 so judges will still be in place.


  33. Gary Lacey says:

    McConnell doesn’t seem to have any political continuity, he bounces from deep state corruption to supporting Trump, its as if all you have to do is follow the money to ascertain which way McConnell is going……Corruption with a capital “C”.

    This isn’t politics, its embedded deep state corruption.


  34. nobodyuknow says:

    This is illegal, Fisa court should die, along with many agencies that are all illegal. They are responsible for stopping NOTHING. The entire patriot act was made to get you to give up rights over FEAR. WE didn’t need it one bit.

    Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

    Exactly. We have forgotten this in DC (nah, they ignore it and freely stomp on constitution every chance they get).


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