NEC Director Larry Kudlow Discusses, Coronavirus, China and U.S. Economy…

National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow appears on CNBC for an extensive interview on upstream economic issues.  With China’s economy at a standstill; and with the troubles of the coronavirus spreading outward; what does that mean for us?

There’s some good questions in this interview.  Domestically, as we noted yesterday, the U.S. economy is strong and growing. However, the Wall Street multinationals are very exposed to the China issues. On the bright side the overall China issues are helping to push more corporate decisions toward domestic investment and away from Beijing.

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Given these lessons being learned, I sure wish we didn’t have China involved in making our medicines and medical products.  The administration needs to look at this more.

Director Kudlow also appeared on Fox Business with Lou Dobbs.

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WASHINGTON – The Trump administration is planning a 5G summit at the White House in early April as part of its global effort to ensure that Chinese telecom giant Huawei does not become dominant in next generation communications technologies, officials told CNBC.

The event has not been officially announced yet. The president’s top economic advisor, Larry Kudlow, told reporters Friday that such a meeting would happen.

“We’re going to have a lot of them in the White House to have a discussion. I’m sure the president will join us in part. That would include Samsung, that would include all of our guys,” Kudlow said.

The development comes at a crucial moment for U.S.-Chinese relations. China, which is grappling with the coronavirus outbreak, last month signed a “phase one” trade deal with Trump as both sides look to complete additional phases.

Behind the scenes, a senior administration official said telecom and technology CEOs have been visiting with President Donald Trump at the White House to explain their views on how to make sure that American firms continue to dominate the communications industry. (more)

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134 Responses to NEC Director Larry Kudlow Discusses, Coronavirus, China and U.S. Economy…

  1. boogywstew says:

    Not for a second do I put it past the ChiComs to engineer a virus that lowers their population. Deaths in other countries is just collateral damage.

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    • Snellvillebob says:

      It would be less economically messy than a war. Germany used to rent out excess males as mercenaries. A lot of those captured here in the Revolutionary War stayed upon release.

      Liked by 3 people

      • SharkDiver says:

        What? Wars stimulate economies, the corona virus could potentially destroy China’s economy.. Have you and boogwstew fully thought through your comments?

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        • Julian says:

          It won’t destroy China’s economy! What rubbish.

          It’s a harmless scare story.

          In other words Fake News.

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        • Snellvillebob says:

          Have you seen the cities of France and Germany from WWII? Stalingrad?
          There are cities in Syria that look like that now. All the buildings had to be taken down and rebuilt to ensure safety. Had it not been for the USA extending the Marshal Plan to Germany it would have taken them three times longer to recover.

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    • Zippy says:

      Not when it will possibly cause their economy and then the CCP to be toppled. People are angry and blame their bumbling government for the crisis due to their coverup of the problem until it had spread everywhere and do not believe them about casualty figures. The Chicom fatcats cancelled a major political conference in March, but tell their people to go back to work. If the Chicoms wait until it’s safe to do so, their economy tanks and businesses run out of operating funds. If they force people to go back to work too early, the epidemic reignites. They’re screwed either way.

      And from what our CDC said today and their tone and from this subject I know in great detail, in a month or two, no one here may be giving a damn about these continuous, -STUPID- political games…

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      • Julian says:

        Unlikely. Coronavirus is a made up scare story.

        Fake News doing Fake News again.

        Don’t listen to any of the hysterical rubbish.

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        • The Devilbat says:

          Julian, You are grossly uninformed. Firsty a Harvard professor was just arrested and brought into the courtroom in chains for building the Chinese biolab in Wuhan. Two Chinese were also arrested. One turned out to be a lieutenant in the Chinese Army.

          Read this release from the Department of Justice:

          https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related

          This virus was obviously bioengineered. When one is infected by the flu, one’s immune system makes antibodies that removes the risk of reinfection. The human immune system does not make any antibodies to the CORVID-19 virus.

          This means that one can be reinfected. Those who have recovered and have been reinfected have all died. The virus can live on any surface such as a door knob or a shopping cart handle for up to nine days.

          The virus is also airborne so it is very easy to catch. Surgical masks are useless against it as it is only 100 nanometers in diameter and can pass right through any mask. Only a full positive pressure suit is effective and even then only for a couple of hours.

          If this virus makes it here it is going to be a disaster. Let us all pray to almighty God that it somehow mutates into something a lot less deadly.

          As I write this, the official number of cases is 77,661with 2,360 people dead. We don’t know the true figures as the Chinese are not the most trustworthy people. The true figures could be much higher. The WHO and the CDC are now both on the ground in China so we might learn more about things soon.

          Here is a link to a map that is updating every few hours from Johns Hopkins University.

          https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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          • pyrthroes says:

            See biomedical researchers’ smoking gun pre-print from South China University of Technology in Canton, by Po T’ao-hsiao and Lei Hsaio, titled “Possible Origins of 2019-nCoV Coronavirus”, abstracted as: “Due to the 2019-nCoV coronavirus bacillus’s intermediate host and natural recombination, evidence suggests this highly contagious pathogen escaped from China’s bio-warfare Defense Ministry laboratory in Wuhan (during weaponization of its pirated genome).”

            Also: In an exclusive interview following Sen. Tom Cotton’s (R-Ark) recent speech dismissing Wuhan’s “wet market” as a source of viral contagion, Dr. Francis Boyle, who drafted the U.S. Biological Weapons Act in 1989, has stated that China’s 2019 Wuhan Coronavirus is an escaped, offensive Biological Warfare Weapon (!) well-known to the UN’s World Health Organization (WHO).

            Cotton notes that Wuhan, in central China, not only possesses the country’s only maximum-security Level-4 “super laboratory” researching contagious bio-agents, but that Britain’s pre-eminent Lancet journal asserts that no endemic contamination originated in provincial markets. Indeed, in works such as The New Tactics of Global War” (2015), well-known analyst J.R. Nyquist has published secret Communist Party speeches by Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Hao-tian describing the regime’s long-range drive to attain global military hegemony by weaponizing designer bio-warfare tools.

            In this regard, investigators report that Chinese nationals at Canada’s Level-4 Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg were arrested and deported in July 2019 by RCMP officials for clandestine communication with Wuhan via Gen. Chi’s Defense Ministry. Having pervasively infiltrated public and private Western institutions over some three decades, funding and then pirating all manner of crypto-pathogenic biomedical research, China’s military-intelligence apparat suborns virtually all the country’s overseas tech workers, not only skimming all manner of trade secrets advancing ChiComs’ imperial ambitions but actively deflecting Western counter-measures.

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    • TarsTarkas says:

      Assemble countless hordes of people, pigs, pigeons, ducks, and exotic animals, pack them into tight quarters, and mix with heaping amounts of feces and other bodily fluids. Add in unsanitary behavior. What could possibly go wrong?

      IMO the BSL-4 lab was built in Wuhan in anticipation of another MERS or SARS, not to create one. To isolate, identify, and find a cure or a vaccine for the next Bad One.

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      • BL says:

        They can’t isolate or identify what they are dealing with now let alone find a cure and make a vaccine for it and it is “A Bad One”

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        • Julian says:

          It’s not a “bad one”. It is a nothing.

          Don’t fall for the fake news.

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          • Alfred Obray says:

            Julian, what expertise do you have in this area. Please tell us your credentials or the sources for your opinion. All you have posted so far is that it is “Fake News”. From the various articles, studies I have read, and interviews with people who know what they are talking about, it appears it could be a very “Bad One”. I truly hope not but hiding our heads in the sand and not trying to find out how this started and why, is only opening up society to the next “Really Bad One”. Too many people have already been infected and many have died. Those responsible should be punished severely, be that governments, labs or individuals.

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      • Bud says:

        Are you describing San Francisco as a possible breeding ground?

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      • Parrot says:

        That’s been happening since the beginning of human habitation on the planet.
        The lab plus engineered unnatural gene gaps is more likely.

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    • GGHD says:

      At the moment, there isn’t very much Trustworthy information about the Wuhan China Flu/Covid-19, Flu. … Basically all the Governments and their health organizations are acting, as though the Wuhan China Flu might become a dangerous worldwide Pandemic.
      We need more Trustworthy health organizations ~outside of Communist China, to make a medical evaluation of the Wuhan China Flu.

      1. The Wuhan China Flu ~might be a particularly virulent Flu. Most people do NOT die directly from a Flu virus; their resistance is lowered to other diseases, such as pneumonia. The people most afflicted by a flu virus are the Old, the very Young, and the chronically Sick. … Plus, this strain of Flu ~might be more dangerous to certain people because of their ancestors.

      2. We have NO IDEA whether or not China intentionally released this strain of Flu virus. That said, the Communists in China are the linage of Chairman Mao; one of the biggest mass murders in history. … People that reject God, a human-soul, and accountability for sins, can treat people like unwanted termites eating up a house. = The unwanted people are murdered.

      At the moment it’s basically speculation about Communist China and the Wuhan Flu. It’s NOT NOT NOT speculation about a communist’s basic morality, and their real concern for other human lives.

      3. There must be a reason behind Bernie Sanders claim to be a Socialist and NOT a Communist. [Even though some of Bernie’s campaign workers talk about Gulags for people they don’t like.]

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    • Glenn Ryan says:

      stop,, take a minute ,, think,,, The wu-hu virus was introduced to Wuhan because Wuhan was the epi-center for protest against the Chinese government in favor of the Hong Kong protesters in China,, ,, HELLO!!!!!,,, Its BRILLIANT of Xi to be able to stop all protests EVERYWHERE at the same time with this,, why would they care about anything else????

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  2. Elric VIII says:

    As bad as the Coronavirus may be, anything that forces the Globalists into bankruptcy or, alternatively, investing in the U.S. instead of China, is a feature, not a bug.

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    • Jan says:

      That’s the big problem. OUR dependence on medicines not made in the United States. Our drug companies making drugs like oxycodone & addicting thousands of Americans. Our drug companies buying generic drug rights and driving up drug costs to recapture their “investment”.

      And Congress sitting on their a** and not doing anything about it. And in large part the resistance movement by the Dimms.

      I don’t know why the bipartisan house bill on bringing down drug costs is not being taken up in the Senate. I don’t know why the Republicans aren’t working on health care. It’s the #1 concern for most Americans. It drove the 2018 mid-term election.

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      • Tim says:

        watch michael moores “sicko” there is video of a republican convention and as each republican walks across the stage a price tag appears on each politician shown how much the medical lobby pays that politician. The medical lobby pays a lot to the republican party and nothing to the democrats ( Hillary was probably an exception ). If this is incorrect please put links to corrrect this.

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        • Peoria Jones says:

          “If this is incorrect please put links to corrrect this.”

          Perhaps you should be more confidant of your own assertions and make the effort to provide your own links supporting them, before posting. Something other than a Michael Moore production would be advisable for this crowd. 😉

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        • Beverly says:

          Nice try, but big pharma pays big money to big government, which is the Democrats, your crowd.

          But thank you for playing.

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        • boogywstew says:

          If you’re putting stock in Michael Moore videos, you’re in big trouble. If you believe that Democrats ARE NOT just as deeply involved with the medical lobby … you are a “sicko” yourself so don’t sweat the Coronavirus … it’s all over for you! The cure? Stay here and read.

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      • Adele Virtue says:

        there is a lot of liberal garbage in the bill Nancy sent to Mitch about drug prices. Mitch wants a clean bill, just to lower prices and Nancy said no, this or nothing.

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    • wtd says:

      Direct link to video : Addressing Our Perilous Dependence on Chinese Manufactured Drugs – Rosemary Gibson

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    • @WTD. I just heard Ms. Rosemary Gibson on the Michael Savage show last night. And we can thank Bill Clinton and GW Bush for allowing China to become the major producer of the medicines we use through the generic medicines laws and relaxation of controls when the FDA kowtowed to Big Pharma. China undercut the prices to the extent that they lost money, but it eliminated the competition. If they were an American company they could be sued for anti-trust violations. But since our sell-out presidents keep giving them “favored nation” status and since most politicians profit from their lobbying, we will not be able to stop China from not being under quality controls or from adding anything they want to their medicines; as happened in India when a medicine was discovered to have rocket fuel in it. Or the dog-food poisoning a few years ago.

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    • Julian says:

      Does anyone really think markets would be at all time highs if there was anything to this virus?

      Of course they wouldn’t.

      The virus is just one more example of Fake News.

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      • Rodney Plonker says:

        right. Buy and hold, nothing to see. Stock market is pure speculation. It goes up until it doesn’t. You think it factored in Y2K? What about housing bust?

        If you want to see something, look at the price of gold recently.

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      • MVW says:

        Julian,
        ‘Fake News’ labeling adds nothing and no one will swallow it. These are not lemmings you are posting to.

        That said, for the US and world I look at spread and importantly severity and deaths. South Korea spread from one church goer to the rest of their congregation of 400 in one event is not good and South Koreans are worried judging by their reaction. South Korea is vulnerable due to high population density in their large cities where the majority lives. S. Korea is important in the supply chain.

        This epidemic is unfolding. More insight into this unfolding is the ‘Princess Diamond’ spread with deaths. This cruise ship was a laboratory microcosm of the future of the disease and not Fake. Dense housing with recirculating air such as found in this ‘plague ship’ seems to be the worst situation for breeding this illness.

        What were the results? With the cruse ship ‘quarantine’ the results were poor. Under this setting the virus is extremely infectious… with deaths. Further, we can infer why the draconian Mao revolution tactics have not contained the epidemic.

        Sane preparations for food are prudent. Panic response is not. Don’t get caught in an urban setting wishing you had a bit more on your shelf than a head of lettuce and 12 soda cans. It is not wise, also, to have 5 pills left in a bottle with a heart condition. Even if there were no highly infectious disease that threatens, simple emergency preparations is prudent.

        So, a bit more reasoning and less parroting of the CCP narrative is recommended.

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        • Zippy says:

          “That said, for the US and world I look at spread and importantly severity and deaths.”

          As detailed in past CDC briefings and the one from yesterday I posted below THERE IS NO actually effective surveillance for COVID-19 in the US this time. The symptoms, if any since asymptomatic patients can spread it, are the same as for the common seasonal flu and there is no way right now that anything other than “have you been to China or been near anyone who has” can be used to even know whether to send a sample from a flu stricken patient to one of only THREE states in the US that can test for SARS-CoV-2 right now. The CDC said a few weeks ago that 30,000 people had returned to the US from China atthat time. How many more by now.

          COVID-19 is 16 to 20 times as deadly and 3 to 4 time as infectious as the seasonal flu which infects millions of Americans every year and kills over 10,000. If it gets a foothold here, and it likely will, it will be a disaster.

          Experts envision two scenarios if the new coronavirus isn’t contained
          February 4, 2020

          https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/04/two-scenarios-if-new-coronavirus-isnt-contained/

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      • Zippy says:

        “Does anyone really think markets would be at all time highs if there was anything to this…”

        “…Dot Com bubble that some are warning about?”
        “…sub-prime mortgage problem some are warning about?”

        Because markets can always be used to predict the future….

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      • unmaskreality says:

        The reason why the markets are still at all time highs is because the hedge fund managers believe President Trump will be re-elected. Keep an eye on Q2 & Q3 earnings.

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  3. TheWanderingStar says:

    “…I sure wish we didn’t have China involved in making our medicines and medical products.” As well as a great number of vitamins and other health related supplements. And even if the product is “assembled” in the USA, many of the product constituents are sourced from China. People should be questioning the manufacturers of these products for country of origin. The government should insist on labeling.

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    • patti says:

      I read we can’t even make vitamin C here without ingredients from China.
      Had the opportunity to throw some of these questions to my Doctor today…I didn’t get any good answers. Very disturbing. This has to change…quickly.

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      • Blind no Longer says:

        Amen patti. I hope someone is looking at a very quick way to start up the manufacturing of medications, hospital/medical supplies etc right here in the good ole USA.
        If this isn’t a national security issue then I don’t know what is. There should be some way to introduce legislation to approve a public/government partnership to produce our own stuff, so this never happens again. Guess that “global” world economy has it downfalls when the shit hits the fan!

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        • decisiontime16 says:

          Last Updated: December, 2019

          India is the largest provider of generic drugs globally. Indian pharmaceutical sector industry supplies over 50 per cent of global demand for various vaccines, 40 per cent of generic demand in the US and 25 per cent of all medicine in UK.

          India enjoys an important position in the global pharmaceuticals sector.

          The country also has a large pool of scientists and engineers who have the potential to steer the industry ahead to an even higher level.

          Presently over 80 per cent of the antiretroviral drugs used globally to combat AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome) are supplied by Indian pharmaceutical firms.

          https://www.ibef.org/industry/pharmaceutical-india.aspx

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          • Adele Virtue says:

            India gets its ingredients from China though, so that is not helpful either, sigh. We need China out of the equation and the USA in it totally! If they subsidize corn and ethanol why not generic drugs? I mean really the drugs save lives the ethanol gives farmers a market for their corn.

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    • Blind no Longer says:

      (Reuters) – U.S. health officials on Friday said they are preparing for the possibility of the spread of the new coronavirus through U.S. communities that would force closures of schools and businesses.
      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-usa/u-s-prepares-for-coronavirus-pandemic-school-and-business-closures-health-

      Don’t listen to the “it’s just the flu” crowd treepers, or you’ll be left flat footed. Prepare accordingly.

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      • kleen says:

        Exaaaaaatly!

        I’m going to the store today and get me some supplies in case of a voluntary lockdown. Water, non perishables, OTC meds for the occasional issues, frozen goodies, bleach etc.

        I don’t mind preparing even if nothing happens.

        Fill up the tank with gas, don’t let the gas level to get low from now on…. just in case.

        If nothing happens, good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It’s better that way.

        You can make your own face mask.

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      • zekness says:

        correct….this is not “just the flu”….this is a serious health threat.

        I don’t understand the motives for the crowd that insists this is fake news. I understand how that sentiment can be formed by a total collapse of trust about just anything the government has done …but a blanket refusal to acknowledge the threat sounds alot like head in the sand thinking…

        on that note, get the flu shot…its works…it’s proven…and anyone that says otherwise is a complete jackwagon and deserves to be treated as such.

        be safe….this things is going to be here …it’s inevitable.

        do all the things that help make you safe, just get in the habit now:

        a. avoid sick people. always a good practice
        b. if you are sick…stay home, until you are completely well. If you get really sick, call 911 and get help immediately..it might just save your life and help prevent getting others around you sick too!
        c. wash your hands frequently and stop touching your nose mouth and eyes for crying out loud. Use a washcloth after you have washed your hands, like a normal human being!
        d. cook your food thoroughly, and make sure your kitchen and surface and bathrooms are clean and sanitized ..do this every single day.
        e. if you have to travel, invest in a decent medical grade mask and wear it…especially if you are required to travel by airlines or through hubs and centers where disease is happening.
        f. get the flu shot…get your vaccinations…they work…they are safe..
        g. pay attention to the news about this disease….as it spreads pay attention to the affected areas and avoid going there.
        h. cough into a tissue and throw it away…
        i. eat a good diet, exercise daily, stay warm, and get proper sleep…don’t use alcohol or any other drugs…
        j. don’t vote for democrats….you can help stop THAT disease by removing power from it.

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  4. Zippy says:

    CDC Media Telebriefing: Update on COVID-19
    21 Feb 2020

    Small excerpt from YouTube auto-transcript:

    We never expected that we would catch every single traveler with novel coronavirus returning from China given the nature of this virus and how it’s spreading. That would be simply impossible. I want to be clear that we’re not seeing community spread here in the United States yet, but it’s very possible, even likely that it may eventually happen.

    Our goal continues to be following the introduction of the virus into the U.S. to provide us more time to prepare our communities for more cases and possibly sustained spread. This new virus represents a tremendous public health threat.

    We don’t yet have a vaccine for this novel virus nor do we have a medicine to treat it specifically. We are now taking and will continue to take unprecedented aggressive action to reduce the impact of this virus that it will [“will” instead of “may”? Freudian slip? – W] have on the communities in the US. We are working with state local and territorial health department’s to ready our public health workforce to respond to local cases and the possibility this outbreak could become a pandemic.

    We are working closely with healthcare systems across the country to reinforce infection control principles and plan for surges of people seeking and requiring care. We’re collaborating with supply chain partners to understand what medical supplies are needed and available. [too late now – MOST are made in China and they’re using up their stuff – W] This will help CDC understand what we mean when we may need to take more aggressive measures to ensure that health care workers on the frontlines have access to the supplies that they need we’re working with businesses, hospitals, pharmacies, clinicians, manufacturers and distributors to communicate about these measures and what they can do to get ready.

    I want to direct everyone to a document that will be very informative in terms of what people can expect in the coming weeks if the virus starts spreading in our community. This is an MMWR recommendations and report titled “Community Mitigation Guidelines to Prevent Endemic Influenza – United States, 2017:

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/rr/pdfs/rr6601.pdf

    We are reviewing all of our pandemic preparedness materials and adapting them to COVID-19. These materials will serve as a blueprint for the community interventions that we will use here in the US. If you’re watching the news you may be hearing about schools shutting down and businesses closing in countries in Asia to reduce the potential spread of this virus. The day may come when we will need to implement such measures in the US communities. [imagine what that would do to our economy – W]

    By next week we expect to be posting a new webpage focused on what CDC is already doing to mitigate transmission in communities. We recognize the uncertainty of the current situation.

    ———–

    They are only just now starting in a small way the surveillance of people in the US who have seasonal flu symptoms and visit their GP or hospital to deterimine if they instead have COVID-19 since the early symptoms are identical. The samples need to be sent away to just three states (for now) in the US to determine that… once the problem with the test kits is fixed which is believed to be a faulty reagent. So, everyone with the seasonal flu will be asked to self-quarantine until the results come back from what may become vastly overloaded labs?

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  5. Zippy says:

    NOTE how long other viruses are contagious AFTER recovery. This one should be no different:

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  6. TreeClimber says:

    “TreeClimber, why do you distrust vaccines and conventional medicines, and prefer to use foods with insanely high amounts of Vitamin C and obsessive hand washing as your first line of defense?”

    Why indeed…

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  7. Zippy says:

    19 new makeshift hospitals to open in Wuhan next week
    21 Feb 2020

    https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202002/21/WS5e4fa5d7a310128217279623.html

    Wuhan, Hubei province – the center of the novel coronavirus outbreak – will have 19 new makeshift hospitals by next Tuesday to further meet the city’s medical demands, according to local authority on Friday.

    Hu Yabo, executive vice-mayor of Wuhan, said at a news conference that in addition to the 13 cabin hospitals that have already been put into service, the construction of the 19 new ones in the city has been underway and is going to be completed by Feb 25.

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    • kleen says:

      Yeah that is the problem in CHINA. Lack of care for too many seriously ill people. This thing is spreading exponentially.

      This virus is bad news. If you can get a hospital bed and be treated, than it’s all good for most people, if not, you could die. THAT is THE problem.

      Too many people, not enough hospital beds, people collapsing in the hallway waiting and waiting while extremely sick with severe pneumonia.

      It can happen here, if it spreads to thousands in one area and all hospitals are full and people start pilling up in the hallways it will be catastrophic.

      On top of that, healthcare workers are getting sick too…. and…. there’s more, Most of our medications comes from China.

      I hope we are better prepared than China.

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      • Zippy says:

        “I hope we are better prepared than China.”

        We probably are, but NOT well enough and they make virtually all of the meds and personal protective gear we’ll need. A new book by the guy the FBI harassed for the 9/11 anthrax attacks [he later sued them for millions and won] bioweapons expert Steven Hatfill released in Nov 2019:

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      • pepeekeocom says:

        Actually, hospital beds are not the problem according to the Chinese TV stations here in Los Angeles. They can make plenty of those quickly. Its what happens after you get a bed in one of these make shift hospitals. And what usually takes place is that there is not nearly enough medical staff and supplies to look after you and you die.

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  8. Zippy says:

    South Korea reported 142 new cases, up 70% in one day, to 346.

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    • Donna Jones says:

      That’s what they are admitting, we don’t know the truth from the lips of the Chinese hierarchy. The word from citizens, Dr.’s and Nurses and a few Chinese Government
      Agents is quite a different story.

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    • Zippy says:

      One day later, now up to 433 confirmed cases in South Korea.

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      • kleen says:

        Exponential, key word.

        When it’s just a few, no big deal, Everyone gets proper care and only the unfortunate “weak/fragile” dies. But everyone else will be fine.

        But when the number of sick grows exponentially, it gets out of control. Most won’t receive care and good luck fighting pneumonia without meds and care standing in a hallway while weak and sick next to hundreds of sick people, sharing the bathroom with them. What if some are there with a different illness spreading that too?

        If this virus gets here in our communities get ready to isolate yourself for several days if not months in your home.

        Anti-bacterial soap doesn’t kill virus. Only bleach and hospital strength alcohol. You can bring the virus inside, on your shoes.

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        • Zippy says:

          For any flu virus including this one thoroughly washing hands with soap and water after going out is the best. It doesn’t kill the viruses. The goal is to wash the viruses off the hands as much as possible. I’ll be using disposable gloves. Also, don’t touch your face while out.

          Small trash bin plastic bags might be good for shoe cover while out.

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          • zekness says:

            the reason why soap and water work and alcohol works against the virus on the dermo and surfaces are basically the same function…both methods operate with success because of the dessicant component. Virus depends on cells that are alive or a biofilm…soap and water and alcohol operate by separating loose cells and biofilm where virus infections can exist for a long time. alcohol is far more aggressive in helping to eliminate surface infections from the virus bug than soap and water…

            note: drinking alcohol does NOT have any virus killing benefits and studies show there are unintended consequences that create other problems dealing with viral infection. So, if you are sick…avoid drinking booze….if you are healthy…avoid drinking booze too..because it isn’t healthy and you will have a stronger immune system and many other benefits that alcohol robs you of.

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        • Zippy says:

          “When it’s just a few, no big deal”

          Trouble is, when the only filter to differentiate between the seasonal flu now making its rounds and COVID-19 when patients show up at their GP or hospital is “Have you been to China, near anyone who has been, or near anyone infected with COVID-19” even a few is all if takes since a 2nd tier infected person can honestly answer “no” to all of that.

          I suspect that’s why the CDC sounds like they EXPECT community outbreaks in the US.

          As we are now seeing in Korea, those can get out of hand with lightning speed. The seasonal flu infects about 1.28 other people for every infected persons. COVID-19 is estimated to be 3 to 6. So, going with the lower figure, 1 infects 3, 3 infect 9, 9 infect 27, 27 infect 81, 81 infect 243…

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    • Zippy says:

      Published in 2018. It took her 3.5 years to write it because the data was so hard to find… intentionally. She’s taken the issue to “our” government, but the worthless bought bastards have done nothing.

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  9. lolli says:

    This web md article is interesting. (Discusses entire flight exposed, then they all went home)

    My only problem is we have no idea how many cases we have because no one is testing for it.

    https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200124/coronavirus-2020-outbreak-latest-updates

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    • wondering999 says:

      There was an article I read a few weeks ago about the texting kits, that they had beenmade with defective ingredients. Something about the reagent

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      • lolli says:

        wondering,
        Yes. Have read about the tests not working, not available.
        Problem is, they are acting as if we don’t have any, since they can’t test.
        If no one is being tested, how can they say, it’s not here, yet? It’s here.

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      • Zippy says:

        “Something about the reagent”

        That’s the theory. Only three state labs can successfully do the test right, but it isn’t 100% accurate. Also, this is common seasonal flu season, infecting millions, and the symptoms of COVID-19 are identical, so the ONLY way a GP or hospital would even know to send a sample to one of the labs would be by asking if the patient had gone to China or had been near anyone who had.

        SO, there could so very easily be a stealth spread going on right now under the cover of the seasonal flu and the CDC wouldn’t have a clue. That’s why they sound so pessimistic and expect outbreaks. See my partial text transcript elsewhere here from their press briefing yesterday.

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        • Zippy says:

          “can successfully do the test right” > can successfully do the test right NOW

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        • zekness says:

          PCR tests will false positive for SARS, MERS,COVID-19 and many other “flu infections”…

          the reason the CDC was concerned about the tests was not to remove them from use, but to inform health professionals to understand the limitations and to use them with a complete set of knowledge about what to consider when using them.

          for example…if a PCR test comes back positive DOES NOT mean the person is infected with COVID-19 ….It means the test result means the person is infected with some kind of corona virus. And that further tests, if possible to be performed, can be done to further isolate what kind of virus is responsible for the PCR positive result. PCR field kits are very good “surveillance” tools for screening corona virus infections…very accurate to detecting a positive infection, even if the person has no outward symptoms, but the positive infection can be a result of several kinds of corona virus infections.

          The reason the CDC put this out is to make sure health professionals were not automatically assuming a positive result means COVID-19 infection. The CDC does the right thing here. What we don’t want happening is compounding a situation of the current outbreak with reporting positive COVID-19 when it may actually be something like H1N1, or just the common cold. It’s important to distinguish the different kinds of infection virus as much as possible to steer the focus on the more severe COVID-19 outbreak.

          When a positive PCR test result happens, means the health professional should be doing other tests to confirm the type of virus infection…china has this ability….the US has this ability. Some third world countries or places where health care is not dedicated and thorough will only depend on the PCR field test.

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          • Ad rem says:

            Zek…I’m sorry that your last three posts went into our pending bin. I checked, and you’re not on our moderation list, so there is no immediate explanation. If it continues, I might suggest switching to a new email address. Let’s see….

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            • Kaco says:

              Ad rem, am I on a moderation list then? About 90% of my posts end up in the pending bin since the last year. I’ve been on this site since summer of 2016.

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            • zekness says:

              thank you for the feedback…I’ve not noticed any issues here. I think it’s related to the throwaway email i use here…I just reset the master password and things are back to normal..

              pro tip: resetting a email password using 2 factor on a regular basis (NOT SMS text method; I prefer authentication apps that use non-stored, non-cloud, one time, time sensitive passphrase) is a good habit as it makes the email almost perfectly immune to hacking or other issues. yahoo mail in particular has a track record of some pretty shady email password handling. I always use a separate device, not connected to anything important as the platform for an authentication app for the 2 factor. I use authy…It’s proven and open source for code inspection. I do NOT use google authenticator or the microsoft version. (both are not well audited by open source community because they are closed walled)

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  10. wondering999 says:

    1) Praying for every person who is struggling with this plague, in Wuhan or.elsewhere.
    2) it is good to have items at home to help.care for sick people. While disposables are great, you may also need bedpans, potty chairs, bleach, basins, sheets and towels, and gazillion washcloths. Imagine the scenario of disposables are unavailable.
    3) basic medical/emt/nursing skills. If you would be reluctant to go to an understaffed, overwhelmed hospital because of potential contagion, what are you equipped to handle at home?

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  11. Donna Jones says:

    Perhaps people even on the Left are rethinking Open Borders, and sharing our health care dollars
    with illegals from Mexico, Central America and all the other nations sending random illegals.

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  12. Julian says:

    The coronavirus hysteria is one of the most ridiculous overreactions I’ve ever seen!

    What a load of fake News. Not sure why anyone would be concerned about a concocted story like that one.

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    • kleen says:

      I”m not sure, it seems extremely contagious.
      When we have Flu season doctors are not wearing hazmat suits at work, because the Flu, is just the Flu.

      With this virus, healthcare workers are getting really sick and some (in China) died from it.
      So, it’s waaaaaay worse than the Flu, it’s highly contagious and more aggressive. It causes pneumonia. That means when we have just a few sick people they can get hospitalized and proper care without issues and probably be fine.

      However if we have thousands/millions, there aren’t enough hospital beds for all. Then what? How do you treat thousands with severe pneumonia in a crowded hospital. That’s what we see happening in China, People in the hallways collapsing for lack of care. Too crowded, too many people not enough beds, supplies, healthcare workers to deal with all sick people.

      Go to twitter and watch the videos of the hospitals… People EVERYWHERE just waiting in the hallway.

      Some people become ill, and in serious condition. Meaning, they need to be hospitalized and cared for.

      Do we have enough medication for millions? It(meds) mostly comes from China. I’ve seen we run out of Flu shots so many times.

      Nothing nothing nothing, then, cluster cluster cluster, then…BOOM!

      Exponential.

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      • Zippy says:

        “When we have Flu season doctors are not wearing hazmat suits at work, because the Flu, is just the Flu.”

        EXACTLY! -30,000- people have returned to the US from China as of a few weeks ago according to the CDC press briefing given a few weeks ago. How many more since? COVID-19 has the same symptoms as the common flu AT FIRST. The only detection method possible right now to determine whether samples should be sent to one of only three US state labs that can do the COVID-19 test right now is simply to ask the patient if they’ve been to China or near anyone who has. THAT is not enough.

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    • Peoria Jones says:

      You keep posting this same opinion over and over. Please provide some reliable research to back it up.

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    • lolli says:

      Julian,
      Why are you on this thread, since you think this is all hogwash?

      If this is fake news, why is so much research being done by international society of infectious disease?
      Are they part of fake news.? Just pretending to research each case, outbreak?
      Do some research.
      Here is a link to official reports, not msm hysteria, as you call it.

      https://promedmail.org/

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    • Rodney Plonker says:

      Oh boy.. you think CNN invented this –
      Black Death Matters?

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    • jello333 says:

      (I’m gonna intentionally over-emphasize the following to make sure I get your attention)

      WHILE ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, YOU HAVEN’T GIVEN ANY EXPLANATION FOR YOUR CONTINUED INSISTENCE THAT THIS IS “FAKE”. I THINK IT’S FAIR THAT YOU BE ASKED TO DO SO.

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  13. Daniel says:

    China manufactures, as of 2020, over 80% of world demand for active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs). Even if the final product is not made in China, there is no way to avoid global medicine shortages without getting the epidemic under China under control. That is unlikely unless it is determined one of the existing anti-viral drugs (generic RNA replication inhibitors, CCR5 antagonists, etc.) is effective, and even then these are not vaccines.

    However, in the last two years, TEVA pharmaceuticals has closed 20 facilities that were not cost competitive with China. Many of those facilities have not been disassembled and can be restarted:
    https://www.in-pharmatechnologist.com/Article/2018/01/11/Teva-timeline-CEO-says-20-25-manufacturing-plants-to-close-in-next-two-years

    Even with those closures, TEVA is still making its own APIs for 1,200 of its own drugs, remains the worlds largest generic drug manufacturer, and second largest company in Israel (although the Chairman of the Board is American). All of those facilities that were mothballed, rather than having their equipment sold, are in the process of being restarted. I have a feeling that more than a few favors will be called in with the Israeli government if the US faces API or generic drug shortages among the products produced by TEVA.

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  14. Parrot says:

    Laz needs to fix the “look at me” tie and the sloppy knot….. or I won’t take him seriously.

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  15. buckturdgison says:

    Kudos to Lou Dobbs for calling out this continued idiocy and treachery on ‘amnesty’ and the never-ending desire by some to flood this nation with immigrants.
    We have taken in tens of millions of immigrants in recent decades-more than the rest of the world combined-yet it is never ever enough for the open borders globalists. Shame on mulvaney for his belief and hysteria that we are ‘running out of people.’ That guy needs to be replaced.
    Our nation is more than an open market bazaar and marketplace open to anyone in the world to come here and ‘work.’ People are more than workers and our nation has a culture and ethnic makeup worth preserving.
    Further, if we continue ballooning our immigration-driven population growth we will soon be 400 million. That improves our quality of life for no one.
    So we dont need any more legal illegal merit-based or double secret immigration. We need a moratorium. Trump said he was going to put the brakes on this and i am not happy with these statements about not enough people or a brand new shiny immigration program.

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    • lolli says:

      buck,,👍
      Yep, A large percentage of PTs base agrees, myself included.

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    • George 1 says:

      Buck. It has become obvious that the “more immigration means a better economy” meme is a complete falsehood. The same as the “unlimited free trade is best for our economy” lie.

      Legal and illegal immigration has been a disaster for our country. One of the legion of negative consequences is the fact that immigrants of all types will reliably vote democrat every time they get the chance in the 75 to 80 percent range. So all other effects aside, more immigration equals more socialism and less freedom.

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    • This. POTUS often mentions the Millions of legal immigrants needed to support economic growth [hot stock market]. Corporations love a job market flush with immigrants – no raises for Americans! In my field IT – far too many Americans forced to train low-skilled low-paid replacements, to get their severance packages. The subsequent loss of legacy business knowledge, culture of quality standards is immense. Won’t name corporations – but ever wonder why so many software faults, security breaches and system failures?

      Trump invited an American to speak on the terrible IT layoff situation at Disney, at a 2016 Florida Rally. Candidate Trump spoke strongly for protecting good IT jobs from a flood of legal immigrants. We’re not hearing that message now – so good on Lou Dobbs for speaking for many Trump supporters who are very unhappy with the current situation.

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  16. A2 says:

    Lou Dobbs is as arrogant as Chris Wallace. Who is he to mock Larry Kudlow and the Trump administration. Another talking fathead.

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    • MVW says:

      A2,
      Sorry, I did not hear Lou mocking Larry in that interview. Instead, Lou was bringing out the point from Larry that Trump was not supporting the Koch, Globalist, cheapening American labor costs bills being pushed by some Republicans.
      The G5 tech issues are another matter. Not a simple topic.

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  17. sir4576 says:

    Julian you’re wildly uninformed it seems.

    The US market at an all time high and the Chinese manufacturing section having issues aren’t one for one related.

    Fact – Chinese manufacturing is down due to the virus. Or do you think that Apple’s lowered guidance is fake news?

    Fact – the CCP isn’t being forth coming. Or do you think the “real news” is what they say?

    Fact – we don’t yet know what the total ramifications are for the virus. Or do you have a crystal ball and can tell us the outcome with certainty?

    Want to disagree? Please do. But bring some facts and don’t just shout out “fake news.”

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  18. Zippy says:

    The Marxist scumbag in charge of the WHO:

    Tedros Adhanom

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tedros_Adhanom

    Political party: Tigrayan People’s Liberation Front
    Other political affiliations: Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front

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  19. LULU says:

    Kudlow TRIED to appear on Lou Dobbs last night. Lou was as rude as I’ve ever seen him, and also seemed to be in full mocking clown mode. He was awful with Kudlow, arguing with him, and then ended up with praise. Kudlow looked glad to escape.

    Does Lou sometimes have too many cocktails at lunch? Wondered yesterday… He treated another guest badly, too. Tried to appear to be mischievous. Didn’t work.

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  20. kleen says:

    Coronavirus Spreads in Italy – 40 Confirmed Cases – 50,000 People under Quarantine in Lombardy Region — “Index Person” Shows NO SIGN of Illness

    There you go people, prepare for at least a voluntary lockdown as if you have to stay home for at least a moth. Also assume normal services will cease or slowdown.

    Italy is about to go through that, it will take 2-3 weeks to know how many people are already infected. Watch closely.

    Have plenty os cash in case of a bank run or disruption. Just prepare and have peace of mind. God will take care of the rest.

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    • Zippy says:

      People in China are boiling cash and the PBOC is burning some from the most infected areas, replacing it with new. China is already mostly cashless. So, unless you are planning to buy from roadside stands, I can see a measure here during a major outbreak promoting plastic only. On bank runs, forget it. Market crashes, possibly.

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      • Zippy says:

        For pressing buttons used by the public, carry a box of toothpicks as I’ve seen used in China. Throw away after use. Wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water after returning home and don’t touch your face while out.

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  21. thedoc00 says:

    Duh, this a controlled biological assault, supporting the Democratic Party’s campaign vs the economic performance of President Trump’s MAGA. The assault is being conducted via both medical and propaganda means.

    Watch the financial markets, watch the business closings, et al that are happening world wide. Heck watch Asian Desk reporting on CNBC and Bloomberg TV.

    There is going to be a miraculous recovery from the virus in December 2020 and all the Market Shorting Investments are covered.

    The connection and mutual admiration between Democrat Candidates and major leadership and the Government of China Inc. is public knowledge.

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  22. kleen says:

    Summary:

    Italy confirms second death, 12 towns on lockdown, more than 50 cases confirmed
    Japan cases triple in a week to 121
    Chinese scientists find virus in urine
    Experts propose 27 day quarantine, say 14 days likely not long enough
    Cases outside China go exponential
    WHO team visits Wuhan; will give Monday press conference
    Iran reports 10 new cases, deaths climb to 5
    San Diego says 200 under ‘medical observation’
    Young woman infected five relatives without ever showing symptoms
    South Korea cases surge 8-fold in 4 days to 433; country reports third death
    * * *

    Update (1100ET): Italian health officials have confirmed nearly two dozen more cases across Lombardy and Veneto

    When it gets here, lockdown very likely. Prepare accordingly.

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    • Zippy says:

      On Iran, if they have 5 deaths already, the number of infected must be far, FAR higher than reported.

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      • yucki says:

        Chinese bring their own labor for Belt & Road construction.
        Silk Road/ Maritime Silk Road – they’re everywhere. Places that don’t have test kits or the skills to use them. That’s why there’s a reporting lag – Africa, Pakistan, Iran…

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  23. Zippy says:

    Hellaciously contagious?

    FEB 22, 2020
    South Korea said on Saturday that the number of new coronavirus cases in the country had doubled to 433, and officials suggested the tally could rise significantly as more than 1,000 people who attended a church at the center of the outbreak reported flu-like symptoms.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/22/asia-pacific/covid-19-south-korea/

    Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 142 new cases at a morning briefing and another 87 in the afternoon.

    Of the new cases, most have been linked to outbreaks at a branch of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus in Daegu and a hospital in Cheongdo county. Also among the new cases were the first reported infections in Busan, South Korea’s second-largest city, and on Jeju, a resort island that’s a popular tourist draw.

    KCDC designated both the city of Daegu, which has a population of 2.5 million people, and Cheongdo county, home to around 43,000 people, as “special care zones” on Friday. Officials sent military medical staff and other health workers, and extra resources, including hospital beds.

    More than half of the national cases are linked to a 61-year-old woman known as “Patient 31” who attended religious services at a branch of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus in Daegu, the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony.

    ***The woman had no recent record of overseas travel, authorities said.***

    KCDC said on Saturday they had obtained a list of 9,300 people who had attended church services, around 1,200 of whom had complained of flu-like symptoms.

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    • Zippy says:

      The CDC guideline that is nearly worthless to actually prevent outbreaks. Why? Because COVID-19 has the same symptoms as the seasonal flu, now making its rounds, and the only filter to determine if a person is to be “under investigation” is if they’ve been to China, has been near someone who has been or near someone previously known to be infected. On that, see *** highlighted text above.

      Interim Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) or Persons Under Investigation for COVID-19 in Healthcare Settings
      Updated February 21, 2020

      https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/hcp/infection-control.html

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  24. Robster says:

    The corona virus is undoubtedly resulting in supply problems and is/will have a dampening effect on the US economy. Also, Larry forgot to crow about the horrible fiscal situation the US is in as well as the recent drops in manufacturing and service PMI numbers.

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    • Zippy says:

      Yeah, while he was still working at CNBS, Kudlow was rightly ridiculed during the post-global-financial-crisis “recovery” by most investors as he constantly touted recovery “green shoots” which never appeared. Most informed investors think the guy is an idiot.

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  25. Zippy says:

    22 Feb 2020:

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    • kleen says:

      Thanks, I’m sharing it with others.

      Prepare for lockdown. It’s coming!

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    • mark1mod0 says:

      TY, good fact oriented update. Very hard to find in-depth info.

      Here is a perspective from a quarantined citizen.
      https://abcnews.go.com/US/mans-account-coronavirus/story?id=69079363

      After viewing will add Gatorade to stockpile.

      Those that take note will look at the CTH disaster prep 101. Others have posted preparation items and sources. Should be stressed that those that heed should stock up on the over the counter flu, fever, headache, cough meds, TP, water, thermometers, etc. stuff that will empty off the shelves just like the N95 masks.

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  26. Parrot says:

    Rule #1….don’t believe the Chinese if they tell you it’s Saturday.
    Assume every “innocent” Chinese civilian activity is just Imperial China in mufti.

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  27. Steve in Greensboro says:

    The President is very lucky to have such a credible representative as Director Kudlow. People like David Faber and Carl Quintanilla (and me for what that is worth) automatically grant him credence because of his history with them.

    I hate the human damage that is being done to China, but if this whole Corona virus thing accelerates America’s decoupling from China and weakens the CCP negotiating position with respect to the President on trade, this represents a silver lining to the dark, dark cloud.

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  28. CountryDoc says:

    Good grief. How long does it take to set up a factory to produce face masks? Hygiene equipment. We make filter materials for every industrial purpose imagineable here in the united states. Very little retooling and we have masks. Gloves. Gowns

    What I am concerned about is that our medical system is currently crippled by EMRs. A huge percentage of records on relatively few clouds, with questionable backup systems, ordering systems, purchasing systems if the internet goes down, or a certain server for a certain electronic medical record goes down. There are so many ways that the operational flexibility of our medical defense system is hamstrung or too consolodated into relatively small foci of control.

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