The Sentencing of Michael Flynn Represents a Very Big Problem for AG Bill Barr…

For the past week CTH has been outlining some lengthy research, highlighting key issues to help understand the background of what is evident.  If you’ve followed along, in this outline the individual pieces will all come together.  Bill Barr has a very big problem…

Andrew McCabe cannot be prosecuted in 2020 for the same reason James Wolfe could not be prosecuted in 2018. When we understand why we realize the problem that Michael Flynn now represents to U.S. Attorney Bill Barr.

United States Attorney General Bill Barr was not around in 2017 or 2018 when the DOJ was faced with the issues resulting from an investigation of intelligence leaks and Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) Security Director James Wolfe.

When the prosecution of SSCI Director James Wolfe was being considered, AG Jeff Sessions was recused; the Robert Mueller probe was ongoing; and as a consequence Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein and U.S. Attorney for DC Jessie Liu were decision-makers.

I’m not going to repeat all the issues, you can re-read them HERE; however, the baseline is that Wolfe could not be prosecuted without running the risk of collapsing key institutions of the U.S. government. The consequences of a Wolfe prosecution were beyond the capacity of Rod Rosenstein, or the DOJ to handle.  There would have been massive constitutional crises created and the literal definition of ‘sedition‘ was at the center of it.

Accepting the 2018 objectives from Rosenstein; and factually I doubt Jeff Sessions would have made a different decision even if he was not recused; when AG Barr takes the helm in February 2019 he is forced to carry-over those same objectives.

In essence, regardless of Bill Barr’s outlook or opinion of what took place, he had no alternative except to defend the previous decisions.  As a result Barr has no option except to protect Rod Rosenstein.

If former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe was ever to be prosecuted the same issues that surfaced with James Wolfe would surface again.  The actions by DAG Rosenstein in 2017 merged with the objectives of Andrew McCabe at the same time. {SEE HERE}

It can be debated whether Rosenstein collaborated with McCabe purposefully, or whether he was blind to the prior year corrupt activity within the DOJ/FBI and fell into a trap.  It doesn’t really matter what Rosenstein’s 2017 motives were; the facts show Rosensteins’ actions facilitated the goals of McCabe and the corrupt actors within the DOJ/FBI.

Those actions had consequences, very serious consequences, and those consequences are what matters.

There is no way of prosecuting Andrew McCabe without putting Rod Rosenstein into the same crosshairs of consequence. {Go Deep} Rosenstein facilitated the FBI operations being run by Comey, McCabe, Baker, Strzok, Page, Clinesmith, Pientka and eventually culminating in Robert Mueller, Andrew Weissman et al.

When you truly understand this context you also understand why Joseph Pientka III has a blanket protective order over him.  The all-encompassing protective order is as much about preserving and protecting the institution of the DOJ as it is protecting the fulcrum of corrupt activity Supervisory Special Agent One, Joseph Pientka III, represents.

The DOJ had to throw a bag over Pientka or eliminate him.  Thankfully, and not surprisingly, they chose the former and now he’s under protection.

DAG Rosenstein could not prosecute James Wolfe without exposing ‘seditious‘ activity within the U.S. government itself.  Not pretend sedition or theoretical sedition, but an actual pre-planned subversive operation with forethought and malice.

Likewise AG Bill Barr cannot prosecute Andrew McCabe without exposing the same ‘seditious‘ activity; which also encompasses the activity of Rod Rosenstein.  Whether Barr wants to protect Rosenstein is moot; if Barr wants to protect the institutions from sunlight on two years of actual seditious activity, he has to protect Rosenstein.

It’s the underlying activity that cannot be allowed to surface; the institutions of government are not strong enough, nor are they set-up to handle, prosecutions that overlap all three branches of government. [ex. read former questions]

However, that said, now AG Bill Barr is facing a downstream and parallel issue within the prosecution of Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn.  How can Michael Flynn be sentenced for lying to the FBI when the DOJ is necessarily refusing to prosecute Andrew McCabe (at least what has been made public) for the exact same behavior?

Against this dynamic, the DOJ has two options: (Option A) go even harder at General Flynn using additional charges that are not as comparable to McCabe.  (Option B) find a way to drop the prosecution.

This dynamic is why the McCabe prosecution was not resolved in 2018.  This issue explains why there has been such a delay in the McCabe issue(s) since Bill Barr came into the picture in February 2019.

If Flynn just took the plea, everything would have been easier for the DOJ.  There would have been nothing to compare between the two, and time would have created distance to avoid any real comparison.  But Flynn reversed position and backed away from the plea.

So what do we see?

We see McCabe given an institutionally necessary free pass, and now Barr bringing in another federal prosecutor from St. Louis to reevaluate Flynn’s position.  The two options are again being debated: Crush Flynn on other matters; or drop it.

Take the totality of all these issues together.  Think about them for a while…

…Now do we see why AG Bill Barr needs President Trump to shut up?

Rod Rosenstein essentially protected James Wolfe because he saw no way the institutions of the U.S. government could survive the potential evidence in a trial.  Setting aside opinion on Rosenstein’s enabling of the sedition; enabling underpinning seditious activity; the decision makes sense.  [Consequences too big to jail]

Bill Barr is essentially protecting Andrew McCabe, and as a consequence Rod Rosenstein, out of a similar necessity.  From AG Barr’s perspective, there’s no way the institutions of government could survive the potential evidence at a McCabe trial; and McCabe would call Rosenstein as a defense witness.   [Consequences too big to jail]

At the heart of the matter, in the real activity that took place, there was a multi-branch seditious effort to remove President Donald J Trump.  From the perspective of those charged with the actual administration of justice – there is no way to put this in front of the American public and have the institutions survive.  What we are witnessing is a dance between increasingly narrowing rails and the DOJ trying to find an exit.

All of this 2020 angst is a downstream consequence of the 2018 decision not to prosecute James Wolfe; and the specific reason why they made that decision.

Those who framed the sedition recognize Bill Barr’s outlook on institutional preservation is an opportunity to weaponize against him. That is why four prosecutors could so easily defy his authority and set Barr up with the Roger Stone sentencing recommendation.

The Lawfare team know Bill Barr is trying to navigate away from exposing seditious  corruption the same Lawfare team helped facilitate.  The Lawfare group know Barr cannot prosecute McCabe; and they know exactly why. The Lawfare group can also see Barr protecting Rosenstein; and again, they know the reason why.

The corrupt crew saw what the DOJ and FBI did when they had the opportunity to expose it all in 2018.  DAG Rosenstein was afraid.

In 2020 AG Barr’s value for the institutions is also why AG Barr is afraid…

The seditious group filled the DOJ fire truck tanks with gasoline, and then they lit the House on fire.  General Flynn is trapped on the roof…. The neighborhood is shouting at fire Chief Barr “put out the fucking fire you idiots“, and wondering why everyone is just watching the House burn. Meanwhile, there’s several firefighters who know what’s in the tanks, and they are standing, smiling, hoses at the ready, cheering-on the angry shouts from the crowd…

Washington Post Article Here

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President Trump says: Point the compromised firehoses at the smiling firefighters while making them hold the Zippo’s… then watch what happens.

The only way I can see out of this mess; the one crack in the current lock box; is the FISA court order for the DOJ to present the identified downstream consequences from fraud upon the court.  The FISC might actually be the ladder truck here.  With the DOJ and FBI currently assembling the investigative consequences, ie. the sequestration material, Flynn’s current legal status might be identified as an outcropping of fraudulently obtained FISA warrants.

Let’s hope those on the sequestration mission can return the information prior to the flames reaching the roof…

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1,327 Responses to The Sentencing of Michael Flynn Represents a Very Big Problem for AG Bill Barr…

  1. Nikola Ivan Babic says:

    I completely disagree that the motives of people like Rosenstien, were pure. Sentencing Wolf, and a bunch of dirty Senators, would not have compromised the integrity of the US Govt, it would have, been an act of draining the swamp; this was the mandate of the people in 2016 DRAIN THE SWAMP.
    Sadly the Whole trust the Plan, controlled narrative, Psyop, MORALLY SUPERIOR, Q, resistance crew, have suggested the same thing, that it is okay to enable the corruption, because the truth is too difficult to accept. BULLSHIT.

    It is illogical to argue, that putting the Chief Executive of the United States, under investigation for Russian Collusion, poisoning the minds of the people into beliving this nonsense (that the Commander in Chief is a traitor), is OK, but, Investigating, prosecuting, rouge senators, and bureucrats (whom actively manufactured this nonsense) is a threat to the Republic. Horeshit, utter horse shit.

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    • amjean says:

      Enough of explanations and excuses; let the prosecutions
      commence. If the institutions and/or their leaders are corrupt; they
      are prosecuted and go to jail. We in the United States should not
      be expected to protect our institutions by ignoring the rule of law.
      That is not what made this country. We citizens are made of tough
      stuff; we can take it.

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  2. Blasater says:

    So Why do we care if DOJ burns to the ground? It needs to! It must! Trump is right, this is modern day attempted Regiscide. And those attempting this high crime are still largely in place to finish the job! This is a cold civil war but it won’t remain so without justice against the conspirators.

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  3. Attorney says:

    More Sundance brilliance.

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  4. Super Elite Covfefe999 Loves Her President! says:

    Trump still holds the power to declassify anything he wants to. If Barr doesn’t live up to expectations, then Trump should know what he needs to do. Break this wide open. Fully expose the roaches and destroy their nests.

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  5. kleen says:

    Maria Bartiromo on Sunday Morning Futures: John Durham is Looking at Papadopoulos Exculpatory Evidence That Was Not Given to FISA Court

    Ahhh nice. More investigation. I’ve had enough of investigations. They lead to: No charges filed… but keep waiting, one day… Next time for sure, if not next month, then sometime.

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    • BWTraveler says:

      I also, despite being extremely patient, am tired of waiting & disappointed in there being no one held accountable for their unlawful actions. But there seems to be more at stake here than what I’m aware of. I do remember from (I think about 5) years back that someone in the Clinton camp during an interview saying “that if the curtain is ever pulled back and all is exposed, it would probably bring down our government” . I apologize for not being able to remember who said it. I do wonder though, would it be worth the chaos?

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      • susanremer says:

        I believe that was Hillary Clinton admitting that if it was ever revealed what is really going on behind the curtain, they would all be HUNG.
        No one gets to stay in the White House who doesn’t cooperate with the Big Plan to fundamentally change America, including Trump. It’s a matter of style, tweaking the AGenda to less totalitarian and more Nationalist in its appearance, but is all a facade. Open borders and freedom to migrate wherever you want to go is the goal for the New World Order. That is unsustainable for the wealthy nations, as we see in our own country and Europe. Our elected govts. continue to spend our money unabated for that fundamental change, whether we want it or not. The Big Debt Collectors (int’l Federal Reserves) don’t care as there’s more than one way for indebted nations to Pay the Pipers.
        Under Trump/MAGA-Not and our criminal Congress, and the legion of permanent bureaucrats (who are the real True Believers in this fundamental change) are gleefully driving us into unrecoverable bankruptcy, with unsecured borders (airports and seaports included), illegal and legal immigration interchangeably still nuking American workers, and now bio-terrorism with manufactured diseases to further deteriorate the life as we know it.

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  6. William Elbel says:

    So the stark contrast between Flynn and. McCabe needs to be in the public eye for a while longer so the true reputation of the FBI becomes widely known.

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  7. islandpalmtrees says:

    I’m taking this following article from Gateway Pundit as confirmation that Sundance is right.
    Why bother to interview Carter page if you’re going to let the signers of the illegal warrants off from prosecution.

    NEW: Carter Page Reveals John Durham Has NOT Interviewed Him About FISA Abuses
    February 7, 2020 by Cristina Laila

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    • Bogeyfree says:

      Agree, IMO it’s they don’t want to know, plausible deniability.

      They don’t want to know….

      What the 2 U1 WB’s know

      Wants on the 47 Hammer Hard Drives and what WB Montgomery knows

      What Julian Assange knows

      What was on the Wiener Laptop

      If Mifsud, Halper and Carter Page were always Western Agents

      How far back all the FISA and NSA Contractor Abuse went

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  8. David9657 says:

    Light up the whole thing or the Constitution has no power! Too big to fail is wrong! Let the country conclude that the balance of powers is the only way to curb the power of government. Socialism certainly isn’t. LIGHT UP THE WHOLE THING and adapt to the consequences.

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  9. franuche says:

    If and when Trump wins a second term, he needs to focus on the the crucial issue at hand: draining the swamp. Like a rabid sonofabitch. Unapologetic. Do not ask for permission, or forgiveness. Phone and a pen on steroids. Otherwise, all of his MAGA efforts will be undone just as fast as they were achieved.

    The AG is not the Chief Executive.
    The Senate is not the Chief Executive.
    The Bureaucracy is not the Chief Executive.
    Your polling numbers aren’t the Chief Executive.
    Public opinion isn’t the Chief Executive.
    Your supporters aren’t the Chief Executive.

    Are you the Chief Executive? Then execute.
    If you tear it down, we will come.

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    • Right to reply says:

      I agree with you. The Republic is more important than the economy. Economies rise and fall, but there is only one country/constitution, and it must be saved!

      Liked by 5 people

  10. 335blues says:

    What are the options?
    1. Prosecute the seditious traitors.
    The predicted results: Ideally, seditious traitors go to prison. Future seditious traitors
    are less likely to commit sedition. Damage to the institutions of our Republic are
    predicted, but it has not been clearly stated what that damage might be.
    2. Do nothing, let the seditious traitors get away with their sedition. Because they were
    caught and the President is still in office the problems have been ‘mitigated’.
    However, future seditious traitors are emboldened to
    a) continue to interfere/harass President Trump
    thereby minimizing what he can accomplish even if re-elected,
    b) commit seditious acts against future Presidents because they now know
    we are too afraid to hold them accountable for their crimes.
    America will then be forced to deal with a never-ending cascade of seditious acts against
    the Republic until we fall.
    The inevitable result will likely be “transformation” of America into a marxist state
    which is the endgame of these seditious acts.
    IMO, AMERICA SIMPLY CANNOT DO NOTHING.
    There are certainly risks going forward with purging the institutions of seditious traitors,
    but the risks are certainly far greater if we do nothing,
    and embolden never-ending seditious acts against the Republic.

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    • JG3 says:

      Pretty much sums it up…thinking you’re right.

      Liked by 1 person

    • dogman says:

      Doing nothing is the same as doing something, but you have no control over it.

      Liked by 1 person

    • 24may98 says:

      Do nothing? To protect malignant institutions? WE are DOOMED. Stop pussyfooting! Hold each man/woman RESPONSIBLE, and let the Devil take the hindmost, or you will live generations of woe.

      Liked by 6 people

    • Rileytrips says:

      Why doesn’t AG Barr plan for a destruction of our existing federal institutions (DOJ, FBI, CIA, State Dept., Congress, etc…) and then re-building those institutions with transparency and accountability to the people – as needed.
      That would be heroic, and would save the country. We need to eliminate the criminals from within now.

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    • As a man thinkth says:

      First, BREAK the Federal Employee Unions protecting the Thugs that need to be fired. Evaluate all Federal HR administrators for bias in hiring practice and close this back door that the DEEP STATE has created..

      Revoke hiring of Contract Senior Officals…shut this practice down and half the Deep State predictors are gone from the government but they will resurface in academia at the University level…Tag’em like a sexual predator where citizens are notified of their presence…

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  11. So you are saying that Barr is running out the clock to shield institutions he values from devastating information getting out.
    If so, he is wrong. The institutions he is propping up are rotten to the core. They can’t be repaired. Better they be bulldozed and rebuilt from scratch.

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    • Rowdyone says:

      We need to keep in mind that it is a fallacy to equate people with institutions. The institutions will survive because they are structured by constitutional authority. Most people recognize the potential for powerful people to abuse their power but they trust other powerful people to do what’s right and expose lawlessness. To protect corrupt individuals under the guise of protecting the institution risks legitimacy and consent of we, the governed. In fact, what can be more legitimate than to expose the seditious coup and reassure the people that lawlessness will be exposed no matter where or by whom.

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    • As a man thinkth says:

      It is called Obstruction of Justice…think about it…this is the crime that PDJTBhas been charged with TWICE…

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  12. auscitizenmom says:

    Thank you, Sundance for that explanation.

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  13. John Obidienzo says:

    Changing the Metaphor:

    The King could not sit at ease on his own thrown, because the former king and his rejected successor solidified a tower of indestructible dominos within the castle. Would it take 8 years to bring down the tower?

    While the King tweets over his kingdom, Legatus Legionis Barr frets and fritters about, with his army posturing outside the gates. Meanwhile, Sir Rudolph, rogue Knight of the Templar, gallops his steed around the Legatus screaming—“I have two dominos right here!”

    Question: If McCabe and Rosenstein are indestructible dominos protecting indestructible Senate dominos, then who in the Tower—if anyone—is not indestructible? If there is a weak link or two, who might they be?

    James Comey may not have full protection from the Hillary camp. After all, it was Rosenstein who wrote his dump letter. And it looks like Obama has turned his back on Biden.

    https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/02/13/buried_in_ig_report_fbi_gave_steele_highly_protected_secrets_122394.html

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  14. coolmamie says:

    I do not accept the premise that our government could not withstand the consequences of prosecuting Wolfe, et al.

    Exactly what would happen, for instance, if the Wolfe matter exposed Feinstein, Warner and other senators?

    I never believed in too big to fail, and I don’t believe in too big too jail.

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    • Bogeyfree says:

      I agree but IMO it gives those who have sold out a false sense of higher purpose and justification to help absolve their mind of their real sins.

      Liked by 1 person

    • As a man thinkth says:

      Wolf to Feinstein to Spy Choffer to China, for years…and we wonder why she resigned from Intelligence committee…check her and her families, emails, phone records and banking.

      BTW, remember her releasing classified info to press: because she had a head cold…

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    • EBL says:

      Sundance brought up the fact that members of all three branches of government and both parties were involved in seditious and perhaps traitorous behavior.

      We’re talking 1-2 House Speakers, a Senate Minority leader, maybe a Senate Majority Leader, at least 3 Senate Intelligence committee leaders, 1-2 House Intelligence committee leaders, former POTUS, former VP, former AGs (plural), former DAGs (plural), former Sec of States (plural), former FBI directors (plural including acting), former CIA Director, former NSC director, former DOJ NatSec attorneys, former National Security Advisor, former UN Ambassador, many existing and former Congresspeople and Senators, many existing and former US attorneys, many existing and former US District Court Justices, existing and former US Appeals Court Justices, existing and former FISA judges, possible SCOTUS members, and existing and former Sr. Military officers. Then there are multiple agency levels below them in the US government. Then come those in State Government. Then come the political hacks outside government.

      Barr is in a very tough position. How do you prosecute all of these people when your own DOJ attorneys and FBI are implicated to their core? What do you do when the people in other branches who are responsible for oversight are actually behind the criminal acts?

      No matter what he does, one has a constitutional crisis that could bring down the government or start a civil war similar to the French revolution. Telling was Kavanaugh and Graham’s Q&A during the confirmation hearing. Perhaps starting with the FISA prosecution and forcing powerful people to “retire” is the best way out.

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      • testpointwp says:

        How do you prosecute all those people? One at a time.

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      • coolmamie says:

        One at a time. One a week. One a month. Look at the documents and start with the slam dunks. One per agency. I would start with a key, high-profile Prosecutor. Then take turns: CIA, FBI, DOJ, MSM, a FISA Judge, House, Senate, White House, etc.

        Or…. start releasing one unredacted document per day. Get the public waiting for the next. Bombard the MSM with so much controversial news they don’t have time to spin it.

        Then Barr makes a prime time speech, describes how deep, how wide, how impossible to get them all, but he will keep going one by one and get as many as he can. Both parties. I am willing to sacrifice Sen. Burr from NC.

        Maybe offer amnesty before round two letting wrong-doers sign confessions to avoid prosecutions.

        If there are not good enough paper trails to have a few slam-dunks to prosecute, then we have all been led astray by this website and many, many others.

        One. At. A. Time.

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  15. 13wasylyna says:

    So let me get this straight Barr is scared to destroy the Stalinesque DOJ

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  16. antiqueiron says:

    In my view, it may be wise to define the term “winning.” It seems to me that many of us here have very different conceptions of what winning means to them. It may be instructive to watch & see if President Trump alters his definition any. I do not believe he would let this Barr mess to continue as outlined so well by Sundance. I do not believe he will allow the deep state to continue to exist past his second term. Trump would not do that to us.

    To me, winning means crushing the deep state & returning our country to the founder’s intentions. That means rooting out & prosecuting all deep state actors and swamp creatures throughout government. (this should have already happened two years ago) That would require draining the State dept CIA, DoJ, NSA, Pentagon etc. Exposing obama’s scrubbed info & how he was installed into the White House (biggest crime in US history) & prosecuting him & all involved in that. Of course, nullifying every thing he signed including removing his two SC justices. Prosecuting all the clintons for their multitude of crimes going all the way back to their China treason when bubba was potus. Remember the missing hard drives found behind file cabinets?

    Then we move on to repealing the Patriot act in it’s entirety. Disband the TSA at airports. Disband the NSA & it’s new server farm out west, & destroy all the data contained therein. Stop all government spying on the US citizenry. Round up all those involved in the coup attempt. ALL of them. Prosecute them all the way. Don’t care who they are, get them all. March that damn pelosi off the House floor in cuffs. These are only the high points, there is more, like immigration & the wall. But you get the idea.

    This is what I voted for Trump to do. Get us back to normal. Not trade deals, giving criminals second chances, women’s issues, or the economy. (I know why Trump is doing all that, he’s building enormous public support as his backup for what’s coming. He needs a massive landslide) ALL those items are very important, but for me, saving the nation is paramount. I don’t care how he does it. I don’t care if rules are bent. Laws are useless if the country is gone, as we see today. Just do it! Use whatever force is necessary, but get it done. Anyone gets in his way, they’re part of the coup, arrest him. Winning is the only option. If we don’t win, it’s over. Everything is on the table here, no holds barred, no rules, this is not a game.

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    • swissik says:

      If we could give stars on this site I would give you 100. Winning the fight against corruption to me is the most important issue, as it was in the last election and remains so for the next one.

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    • Rileytrips says:

      Here, Here!! That needs to be posted everywhere! A true cry for justice in our land.

      You win antiqueiron, you can be our spokesperson!!!

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    • Randolph Scott says:

      We should be neighbors. What you have written is what should be happening at this very moment.

      That sonof a bitch McCabe should be afraid to close his eyes to sleep. Same with Comey.

      I am beginning to think that the Citizenry of the US will have to dispense justice to the just-us cabal.

      I pray and hope for all of the just-us crowd to be eliminated and removed permanently.

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      • antiqueiron says:

        I hope all this can be resolved without much bloodshed. I have faith in President Trump. I don’t believe he will let us down. He knows what’s at stake, & what it might take to get it done. I think he’s trying to make it as easy as he possibly can for us. I also think he doesn’t want to burn it all down unless it’s a last resort. We are very close to that though, time is short. Trump supporter’s patience is gone. We need action now, but I don’t see anything major happening before the election. He needs that security, and a massive landslide to have the political power & momentum to act in the ways he will need to act. I will, for now, hang my hat on, “I will never let you down.”

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  17. rayvandune says:

    President Trump is eventually going to have to say it: “The people elected me to protect the citizens of America, not to protect the American government employees. If you are a government employee and you think those are the same thing, you are in my sights, no matter how senior or important you think you are, or what party you belong to. Get right with the people, or get run right over. I have a huge mess to clean up that you made, so I won’t even slow down for you!”

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  18. coolmamie says:

    How about this? Forget prosecuting anyone, release and expunge records of all who were convicted as a result of this mess…

    declassify EVERYTHING….

    and let the chips fall where they may.

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  19. 335blues says:

    “RESISTANCE TO TYRANTS IS OBEDIENCE TO GOD”
    -Benjamin Franklin

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  20. Jimmy Crackcorn says:

    If and when I hit powerball the first thing I’ll do is buy a piece of property as close to congress as possible. I will then erect a gallows upon the land and it will be glorious.
    The finest southern yellow pine with a nice finish. The best stainless steel hardware.
    I will then admire it and the message it sends.

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  21. Bogeyfree says:

    Sundance,

    Wasn’t there a similar outcry (too big to fail if exposed) when PT first threatened to declassify everything?

    Same song, different verse.

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  22. Lactantius says:

    Respectively, I disagree with the terminology chosen:

    §2384. Seditious conspiracy
    If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

    Barr has discovered how far the CANCER of POLITICAL CORRUPTION has spread and he can not determine how to kill the cancer without killing the patient.

    The political class has made a fine nest for itself which involves tapping the flow of money from the U.S. Treasury which benefits some special interest while the political class gets all sorts of “appreciation” for their kindness. They are grifters. On salaries of $200,000 a year, they become instant millionaires.

    There is a new sort of Velvet Revolution occurring in which the Deep Swamp is trying to geld President Donald J. Trump. Using Constitutional means, they have impeached him. The Speaker of the House ripped up his State of the Union and stopped short of shoving it up his Presidential anal pore.

    Representatives, Senators, Federal Agency big wigs, military brass, and thousands of federal employees are engaged in undermining, slow walking and deep-sixing in order to impede President Trump and his effectiveness. Certainly conspiracy exists, but by definition it is not seditious.

    The is an ongoing war between those who read the Constitution and those who manipulate the Constitution for their own ideological purposes. This is most vividly apparent in the decisions of liberal judges. Nearly all Congress Critters will wink at the Constitution and trample on ethics if there is some personal gain to be had. They have made a very good business for themselves of “serving” their constituents. The rich pay big rewards and the hoi-polloi get “glad handed” and asked for a donation. Even just $5.00.

    Attorney General Barr is in a “pickle” choosing just how to deal with the Gordian knot of political corruption and malevolent conspiracy that reaches deep into all three branches of government. The problem of conspiracy (and the conspirators know it) is proving intent. All liars can figure and lie accordingly. Members of Congress are protected from criminal or civil suits when they lie, so far too many of them lie with impunity. The Inspector General in any agency can not interview anyone who is no longer under the purview of the Inspector General. Lying to Congress is punishable. Lying to the FBI is punishable. But the FBI and Congress can lie to you with near impunity. This turns the bedrock assumptions of ethics on its head. Flynn, pleading “guilty” to lying is far more serious than a conspiracy to undermine the effectiveness of a President. Or to plot to harass him out of office. A “lie” is black and white; “Intent” is a judgment call.

    That is Barr’s actual dilemma. The Pendleton Act of 1883 makes it impossible to fire federal employees for political reasons. If you stand this on its head, how can a federal employee be fired for acting politically? The Civil Service numbers 1.86 million and firing one is very intense, difficult and biased in favor of protecting the employee. It can take more than a year and usually ends in a negotiated settlement.

    We are not in the French Revolution in which the parties on the “wrong” side are marched off to the guillotine. It takes a lot of room and time to turn a battle ship around. It is even more complicated to attempt to force a battle ship that is going full steam ahead to turn around.

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    • 335blues says:

      It does not stipulate that “by force” be at the barrel of a gun.
      In this case, the “force” is the use of our laws against us.
      This is the entire purpose of “Lawfare”.
      Warfare using the laws.

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  23. Brian Beard says:

    Every time I have seen someone with the mentatility this place cant function without me they have been proved wrong. I think that same thing applies here. It needs to be dealt with now. Humans are adaptable they will overcome. Fight the fight now while the citizenry has the means to resist.

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  24. Elwood says:

    This whole article begs the question: We don’t need them.

    If it needs to burn then we should burn it down now.

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  25. xcontra says:

    I want to see arrests

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  26. John Good says:

    Well done Sundance! Thank You for the rational explanation of Bill Barr’s dilemma. He truly is “between a rock & a hard place”, but I RESPECT Mr. Trump even more for choosing him, as now I can see that Jeff Sessions was “extorted” as we all suspected!

    IMO, President Trump has to “find a way around this” & prosecute ALL the traitors (including Obama & the Clinton Crime Family)!

    Now, President Trump’s dilemma is one of “timing”, as if he starts the Criminal Prosecutions before Nov. 2020, his opponents will “scream” Election Interference” & I feel that he now knows “deep in his heart” that they were trying to remove him BEFORE he won the Election, he won & now deserves justice. In fact I agree that Donald J. Trump deserves a 3 rd term as POTUS, because of this coup-attempt!

    But, I trust Donald J. Trump will do the right thing, because he has a lot more “inside-info.” than anyone here & he didn’t get to where he is in life by being “stupid”!

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  27. farmerren says:

    We have state and local governments AND law enforcement agencies within. I’m not so sure the cleansing of the DOJ, dirty judges and congress people would be felt too much. (???)

    Americans have the voice and power and a responsibility to our states and local governments to encourage good service and to keep them righteous.

    Blue managed states may go into crisis, maybe not but bringing the stability to the local level is where individual Americans have the most power.

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  28. Serpentor says:

    I find it amusing that all those former prosecutors are calling for Barr to resign.
    Every CTH reader or independent is disgusted because Barr refuses to do the work that needs to be done. So the DOJ was seditious – we already know that, it’s internecine time, handcuffs galore, but we get nothing.
    Those prosecutors are angry because Roger Stone may not serve 9 years for lying about a non-crime during an investigation that was bogus from the start.

    In other words, the left hates him. The right hates him. The middle hates him.

    Why does Barr care to protect these snakes so much that he’s willing to become hated by everyone? At least if he were doing his job, half the people would applaud.

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    • swissik says:

      I doubt that Barr cares whether he is hated or liked. His life isn’t affected by that, people in high govt. positions never are. They just go on to the next lucrative job or retire to spend more time “with the family”.

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  29. Paul Cohen says:

    While we all love the phrase “drain the swamp” I’m not sure anyone has offered a detailed AND realistic path to actually saving and rebuilding our institutions. How many scumbags must be removed, how many prosecutions are needed, how will all this actually take place??? It is easy for some to say “burn it all down” or “send them all to Guantanamo” but, SERIOUSLY, how are these problems really going to be solved? I don’t doubt that POTUS Trump wants to solve this, but HOW is it to be done?

    Drastic reform of the FBI and DOJ would be a start, although it is hard to see how that is really going to happen. What about all the Deep State drones all over the rest of the govt??? The DoD clowns who won’t even investigate or prosecute Vindman for his seditious plot OUTSIDE of his chain of command, all the CIA drones who are the Ciaramellas of the world etc etc……

    I’m not convinced that anyone really knows what “drain the swamp” truly requires, or how it will be done. We have to keep trying, and POTUS Trump is the only leader in either party who is serious about it, but the work has barely begun.

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    • farmerren says:

      I love implementation plans. Been waiting to get the conversation started about that.

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      • Rileytrips says:

        Yes! We need a plan to rebuild needed federal entities AFTER their destruction. It will need to be done with transparency and accountability to “we the people”.
        If there were such a plan in the works, maybe more silent patriots currently within our federal government would step up and act on this.
        We cannot continue on enabling criminals and seditious/power-hungry officials to wreak havoc on our rule of law and Constitutional delegated powers and rights. Keeping the status quo only ensures imminent destruction.

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  30. vlparker says:

    The US Constitution says that the President shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed. That is the reason for the existence of the AG and the DOJ, to aid the President in faithfully executing the laws. Something that Bill Barr is not doing.

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  31. Paul Gallant says:

    It matters not if you place Brennan all the way down to Page in chains. The only way positive long term change would happen is if corrupt elected politician pay the price. They are the ones who allow all of this to happen. They are the ones who have oversight over the Brennans and Rosenstein’s of the country. Audits, Strict Financial Accountability and term limits.

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  32. SamAnon says:

    End Times folks, THE TRUTH WILL OUT. Hell and Heaven, Left and Right, Down and Up.
    We know how the story ends, but keep in mind, Satan isn’t just gonna roll over, he will burn this
    world down before he gives up his power and his communist minions are all in. God bless us each
    and everyone.

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  33. “Hello Bill? Donald here. I keep reading in the social media the DOJ is “declining prosecutions” in order to protect the FBI/DOJ/CIA institutions. IF TRUE, THAT ENDS TODAY. I am the Commander-in-Chief and the Chief Law Enforcement Officer and I remind you that you work for me. You are hereby ORDERED to this week commence indicting any government employee or elected official that you have evidence they have lied under oath, leaked classified information or committed other crimes – for any reason. I expect daily written reports of who has been indicted and for what crime. Don’t worry about those institutions’ or the government’s well being in general. Their well being is the responsibility of myself and the “elected” members of Congress – not appointment employees. We will take care of the institutions. Your job is to enforce the laws of the land. Get to it immediately or resign. The choice is yours. I expect your written acknowledgement or your resignation by close of business today. Have a nice day. PDJT”

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  34. Austin Holdout says:

    335, I’m in your camp. I rarely disagree with SD (and maybe he’s saying what he thinks Barr’s summation of the situation is), but if no one goes to jail for trying to take out a sitting president, our institutions are already doomed. The government will lose the consent of the governed. We know too much. Their work was too sloppy. Too many people were involved. Too much harm was done.

    There has to be a way to set an example for people who have ideas about overthrowing the government in the future. The resistance has already taken a second shot at the President and are preparing for a third because of the wrongheaded idea that “the institutions have to be protected”. That’s a cop out for Barr and for us.

    There has to be a way to “split the baby” if Barr doesn’t think he can handle taking down the whole seditious enterprise. Instead of going after Strzok and Pientka, they can just “cut off the head of the snake” and go after Brennan, Clapper and Comey and say everyone else was just following orders. If he can’t handle prosecuting all of them for sedition, he can prosecute the players who abused the NSA database for that crime, prosecute the people who lied on FISA applications on that crime, etc.

    Barr cannot “save the institutions” if all he does is cover up the injustice that is already in the public awareness. If people like McCabe decide they’d rather try to blow open the whole criminal enterprise rather than do 6 months for lying, leaking, and fraud on the FISA court, so be it. My guess is that there are many players ready to send McCabe to join Seth Rich before he had the chance. Letting the current Strozk’s and Page’s in these institutions see the nature of the monsters they have been doing the bidding for with could have the deterrent effects similar to prosecutions. Somebody has to go to jail or the “institutions” are already destroyed, including the office of the presidency.

    We need ideas and plans to affect this situation, not just a place to commiserate.

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  35. Tom Hansen says:

    So, if Wolfe was fully prosecuted in 2018, all three branches of the government would have been exposed to the public as participating in the seditious attempt to overthrow a duly elected President.

    By doing so, the political opinions and assessments by the leaders of the coup representing each of the branches, meaning the gang of eight, DOJ, FBI, FISC, State, CIA, and others, is that each of these institutions would not survive, and collapse if the coup attempt would be found to be true and real to the American public.

    So, the prosecutions of McCabe and Rosenstein would also create the same dilemma as Wolfe, now that the ball has been handed to Barr, in which his predecessors Whitaker, Rosenstein, and Sessions refused to act, in order to protect the institutions.

    The question then is will Barr decide in favor of protecting the institutions or will he favor his love of the Constitution. I believe General Flynn is an honorable man and soldier, and is fighting the good fight against massive corruption of sordid constitutional officers that have compromised the very institutions by violating their very oaths to the Constitution.

    I believe Barr also is an honorable man and places the U.S. Constitution above all else, based on his own statements, and he will, as he said in his own words, let the chips fall where they may. He will not let the seditious behavior, and in my view treasonous behavior stand.

    If he has to take down Rosenstein, or McCabe, and other high level constitutional officers, then so be it. In my view, taking down the corruption would only strengthen the institutions and rebuild the confidence and trust of the public that a corrupt government will not stand and justice must prevail against those who violate the constitution, no matter what branch they are a part of.

    The violators must be taken down, and taken down hard. No one escapes.

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  36. Due Gonzalez says:

    Excellent post and enlightening comments as always. Couple of thoughts: 1) President Trump is willing in the face of all odds to stand up for an injustice against Stone. Wow! He is a great human. Barr not so much.

    2) Wolfe being let off with a slap on the wrist is definitely a dilemma for lesser people such as Barr. But it seems to me we really don’t know when the real nexus of this dilemma began. Could not astonishing pronouncement by Comey that Hillary would not be prosecuted be considered as equally a tough dilemma when considering future prosecution? Her royal highness was certainly an early adopter (instigator) of this coup, the decision to let her skate said it all. The deep state will protect Hillary, Obama, Intelligence agency’s foreign and domestic, and all the other elites involved.

    3) our government no longer represents the people of this country. It is set up to protect and enrich itself and will destroy those that get in the path. I will do everything in my power to move this country back towards its founding principles. Supporting POTUS, educating anyone and everyone that will listen, and making my small and lone voice as a citizen heard. I sent Barr an email informing him of how many millions feel about the two tiered justice system and that he should insure that His DOJ is held accountable for its obvious role in this coup to unseat President Trump. I keep hoping that millions of Americans will make their voices heard and contact those such as Barr. It’s a small step, but it is better than sitting on the sidelines and not speaking up. Just my thoughts.

    Oh and I am so grateful for CTH for proving this valuable insight into so many important issues. The ignorant are easily manipulated, I feel blessed to have found this site so I can do my small part.

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  37. graficgod says:

    the ‘institutions of government’ have been forever ruined by this coup and the bad actors at every level of the bureaucratic leviathan.
    i, for one, havent trusted the gov’t for decades and certainly won’t for the rest of my life. i’ve watched it slide over the edge and become more corrupt. nothing short of scrapping all of it and starting over is going to solve the problem.
    that’s the true dilemma we, as Americans who let our government get out of control while we worked and shopped and sent our kids to progressive indoctrination centers.
    good luck with it.

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  38. Sara c says:

    After reading this entire thread, I am of the belief it all started with the fear by the deep state of the discovery that Obama was never a legitimate President (birth controversy and citizenship at the time he was elected). POTUS , I believe always suspected and with his election the deep state had to try and make sure that POTUS never acted upon his suspicions.

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  39. WhiteBoard says:

    page 7 of the OIG crossfire hurricane report

    https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

    Sensitive Investigative Matter Designation

    “++++The Crossfire Hurricane investigation was properly designated as a “sensitive investigative matter,” or SI M, by t he FBI because it involved t he activities of a domestic political organization or individuals prominent in such an organization. The DIOG requires that SIMs be reviewed in advance by the FBI Office of the General Counsel (OGC) and approved by t he appropriate FBI Headquarters operational section chief, and that an “appropriate [National Security Division] official” receive notification after the case has been opened. +++++”

    James Baker – General Counsel

    Bill Prisestap – FBI HQ

    appropriate national security division official (OI) – ?????????????????? Coats?

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  40. zekness says:

    I am past wondering and contemplating what actually these people believe when they SWEAR THE OATH TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AGAINST ALL ENEMIES BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

    I am sure that I stand among similar minded people in the USA that that these people demonstrate they DO NOT have ANY MEANINGFUL commitments to that oath.

    Character is established when tested …character is revealed when risks are high and dangers grave. Character us fashioned and shaped by the crisis.

    Character has been revealed today and we can no longer afford to ignore the rejection of it.

    The leadership of this nation do not have the moral capacity to manage power.

    Do we need more evidence and proof of this ..really? Is there any purpose by waiting to have our minds changed? It IS….right now….! There is no dodging the incontrovertible truth of what is happening right now.

    Houston, we HAVE a problem!

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  41. Gary says:

    Trump directly referenced the Wolfe sentence,tweeting about stone. It ain’t going away.

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  42. Right to reply says:

    I don’t know how many people visit here, but what if each of us printed business cards with this site address, and a simple logo ‘The Truth is Out There’ and pop them in mail boxes, grocery carts, under windshields etc? People have to know!

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  43. dl says:

    I hope Barr takes in to consideration that the American people will not accept a whitewash/coverup. I believe a pitchfork/torch assault on DC would happen and Barr would find himself on the naughty list if he does not do his job. I know people have been patient, but eventually, that Liberty tree would get watered, so if preservation of government is his true concern, he had better be thorough in his indictments.

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  44. william elbel says:

    They are going to railroad Flynn while letting ALL federal people off to rub our noses in it as a lesson to obey!

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  45. Zephyrbreeze says:

    No matter how much I read, no matter how many of the above links I follow, (and I recognize the linked material from the first time I read it,) I can’t clarify in my mind why our government can’t handle this? Why isn’t there a contingency plan for rectifying having had this coup attempts in the first place?

    What does “not strong enough”, really mean?

    It’s the underlying activity that cannot be allowed to surface; the institutions of government are not strong enough, nor are they set-up to handle, prosecutions that overlap all three branches of government. [ex. read former questions]

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    • Zephyrbreeze says:

      CORRECTION: This is from Sundance, and should be in quotes.

      “It’s the underlying activity that cannot be allowed to surface; the institutions of government are not strong enough, nor are they set-up to handle, prosecutions that overlap all three branches of government. [ex. read former questions]”

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  46. dl says:

    If Barr were really draining the swamp, there would be evidence. Instead there is evidence that he is covering up. The truth is right there in your face.

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  47. LWGII says:

    Go, President Trump, go! Expose it all. We can take it. We cannot take this never-ending stream of excuses and apologies for injustice. We cannot exist as a people without a shared notice of justice. The previous administration has destroyed that. Mr. President, you must put it back. A great start would be with massive — like hundreds — of arrests.

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  48. jsbrodhead says:

    Time to RIP DC and new asshole, 10 miles by 10 miles in size!

    Bandage over bandage over bandage, ad nauseum, will KILL AMERICA, so screw the bureaucratic BULL SHIT!

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  49. So this is a new version of too big to fail? We need to support a corrupt institution because that is better than having it fall under its own weight?

    That doesn’t pass the reality test. Sooner or later, reality wins.

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  50. bonkti says:

    Best analogy I can come up with is the Catholic Church ‘s tolerating paedophilia for fear of damaging the perception of the Church. Had the Church initiated correction of its own accord, the damage to the Church, while huge, would be vastly less than the slowly unfolding revelations driven by external parties.
    Second best analogy is lung cancer. Aggressive treatment is your only shot; cutting back on the cigarettes is too little, too late.

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