Hindsight Folks, Hindsight – Compare the Vindman, Ciaramella, Misko, McCord and Atkinson Network To Pelosi’s Rule Changes…

We can see the basic outline of how a fraudulent impeachment scheme was constructed through an alliance of operatives in the National Security Council (NSC) and staff in the House committees. Our nation is currently dealing with the consequences.  However, if  we go back to Nancy Pelosi’s December 2018 rule changes, there is clear forethought.

It now looks like the Lawfare network constructed the ‘whistle-blower’ complaint aka a Schiff Dossier, and handed it to allied CIA operative Eric Ciaramella to file as a formal IC complaint.  This process is almost identical to the Fusion-GPS/Lawfare network handing the Steele Dossier to the FBI to use as the evidence for the 2016/2017 Russia conspiracy.

NSC resistance member Alexander Vindman constructs a false story about the Trump-Zelenskyy phone call; he shares the false story with CIA operative Eric Ciaramella (a John Brennan resistance associate and former NSC member).  Ciaramella then makes contact with resistance allies Sean Misko & Mary McCord working within the HPSCI.

Mary McCord (former DOJ-NSD and current Lawfare) then helps Eric Ciaramella create a fraudulent intelligence community whistle-blower complaint to submit to her former DOJ-NSD lawyer, now Intel Inspector General, ICIG Michael Atkinson.

…And that’s how this entire Impeachment operation gets started.

The “whistle-blower”, Eric Ciaramella, had prior contact with the staff of the committee. This is admitted. So essentially the “whistle-blower” had contact with Sean Misko and/or Mary McCord; and then ICIG Michael Atkinson modified the whistle-blower rules to facilitate the outcome.

There is the origination. That’s where the fraud starts.

The coordination between Misko-McCord, the Whistle-blower (Ciaramella) and Michael Atkinson is why HPSCI Chairman Adam Schiff will not release the transcript from Atkinson’s testimony.

With that basic network in mind, if we go back through Pelosi’s rule changes there is a clear design to facilitate exactly this process.

They planned this out for a long time.

FLASHBACKJanuary 2019: Remember when we warned [November 8th, 2018] that a convergence of left-wing groups, activists, DNC donors and specifically the Lawfare team, would align with (and meet) incoming Democrat leadership to construct a road-map for the “resistance” priorities?

Well, exactly that planned and coordinated outcome is visible as incoming Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi presents her new rules for the 116th congress.

[IMPORTANT: Keep in mind that Speaker Pelosi has selected former insider DOJ official Douglas Letter to be the Chief Legal Counsel for the House. That becomes important when we get to the part about new powers granted to the House Counsel.]

The Pelosi House rules clearly present the outline for an impeachment calendar as directed by changes to the oversight committees. Additionally, there is a myriad of new processes which appear to have been developed through the Lawfare alliance. Here’s some of the overview (full pdf below):

♦ On page #2, we see a few key points. Pelosi sets up a new, much narrower, oversight priority for Chairman Elijah Cummings; specifically to tailor oversight to the White House and President Donald Trump. Additionally we see the outlined time-schedule for hearings.

In subsection “k” the “clarification” is the narrowing of Elijah Cummings focus. “Oversight Over the Executive Office of the President“. This sets up the system for Cummings to target President Trump, his family, and all members of the executive branch as they relate to specific White House functions.

The Pelosi rules tell Chairman Cummings to deliver his schedule for his investigation(s) to the House by April 15th, 2019. Thereafter the hearing sessions will commence. The objective of those hearings is House impeachment of the President; so now we know the general timeline the Democrats plan to follow.

♦ To help achieve that objective on Page #3 Pelosi changes the rules on depositions:

In previous oversight hearings depositions of witnesses could not be conducted by counsel unless minority members were also present. Pelosi removes that rule allowing an expanded team of House lawyers to question anyone regardless of whether there is a republican present to defend/protect the interests of the witness or target.

♦ Speaker Pelosi also removes any term-limits on committee Chairs. This allows greater political influence and power to the most senior members of the Democrat party.

Additionally, in the event Republicans develop immediate defensive plans to push back against the weaponization of these oversight committees, Pelosi gives her Chairs 60 days to make up the rules for their committees so they can deflect any defenses.

♦ On Page #5 Pelosi removes rules banning head-wear on the House floor. This rule change is intended to permit new Muslim members to wear Islamic-compliant Hijab head coverings.

♦ Also on page #5, House Speaker Pelosi also removes the rule requiring a 3/5th majority vote to raise middle-class income taxes. This paves the way for Democrats to raise income taxes by a simple majority vote.

♦ Following with the investigative plans for impeachment; and in conjunction with all new powers granted to a massively expanded group of House lawyers with new and expanded power; page #7 has specific rules to benefit HPSCI Chairman Adam Schiff:

HPSCI Chairman Adam Schiff can now, autonomously, demand and instruct depositions from anyone, at any time, for any reason; and the House Intelligence Committee does not need to consider any possible scheduling conflicts for any of the targets, or have any republican members present therein. [Schiff granted far more power than Nunes.]

♦ Page #9 is the beginning of a very interesting new power being granted to an expanded office of House Legal Counsel:

This is only the first part of this Pelosi rule. This part speaks to coordination with Lawfare and similar activist groups outside government. The House will now defend Obamacare, and all other possible constructs, with a legal team – regardless of what the DOJ might be doing on the same legal matter. In essence, a mini-legislative DOJ branch that will fight the U.S. Dept of Justice if needed. (more on this in another section).

♦ Two rules on Page #10 are interesting. The first rule allows Non-Disclosure Agreements that no longer have to pass through ethics reviews. This permits House members to force staff to sign NDA’s that may or may not be ethically approved.

The second rule on page #10 is Speaker Pelosi rebuking any demand that House members should be forced to pay for sexual harassment settlements. By obfuscating the rule to overlay with the 1995 rules against any discrimination, essentially Pelosi removes any risk for members surrounding “harassment“. It’s a nice head-fake to create the appearance of something that doesn’t technically exist. Very progressive approach.

♦ Page #11 creates a new House Committee for Climate Change. [15 members: 2 chairs, 7 democrats and 6 republicans]:

♦ Page #13 is the most interesting, and ties back to the Page #9 rule.

Here Speaker Pelosi sets up an internal House division of lawyers, paid with taxpayer funds, to defend Obamacare against any adverse action. In essence Pelosi is setting up her own Legislative Branch division of justice, to fight against the Executive Branch U.S. Department of Justice if needed.

The primary issue surrounds defending Obamacare from possible legal removal. However, it doesn’t take a deep political thinker to see where this approach ends up. It would be naive to think the Lawfare group (Benjamin Wittes) did not help create this new internal legal system.

Normally/traditionally House Counsel represents the interests of the entire Legislative Branch on any issue that might surface. However, Pelosi is setting up a legal activist agency within the House Counsel that will specifically “advocate” for Democrat priorities, against the position of the U.S. Department of Justice, and use taxpayer funds to finance the scheme.

Speaker Pelosi is creating her own mini DOJ inside the legislative branch. And, with additional investigative powers granted to House committees, we might even see a mini-FBI units, dispatched to conduct investigations and spy operations, accountable only to speaker Pelosi. Heck, considering congress already has subpoena power, there’s no telling where this might end.

There’s more rules with various levels of consequence. I would suggest you get familiar with them; contrast against what republicans would never consider doing; and bookmark them for reference later this year when everyone starts asking: how is this possible?


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249 Responses to Hindsight Folks, Hindsight – Compare the Vindman, Ciaramella, Misko, McCord and Atkinson Network To Pelosi’s Rule Changes…

  1. hawkins6 says:

    POTUS’s former COS, Gen. Kelly proclaims that “the Senate vote not to allow new witnesses is a half trial.” But rather than blame the House managers for presenting a sloppy, politicized case devoid of inculpatory evidence, he blames the Senate jury. He doesn’t seem to know that it’s the House that makes the impeachment case and the Senate is the jury. (At least for now.)

    Also, given the contents of this convincing and well researched article on the Impeachment plot (and the past failure of the Collusion plot), I’m not sure if John Kelly is grossly uninformed or a member of the Resistance. Few Americans have sacrificed as much or earned the right to speak out more than Gen. Kelly but whatever the reason is for his support of Schiff’s Dems, it indicates that P Trump had a very poor, low information adviser or a Resistance member at his side.

    When this Schiff fiasco ends, it’s A/G Barr’s turn to complete the genuine other “half of the case” that Kelly demands and indict the conspirators and reveal to the nation, the entire despicable plot as cogently outlined for him by sundance.

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    • CountryClassVulgarian says:

      I am sorry. It’s sad that kelly lost his son at the hands of the enemies of the country. THAT DOES NOT GIVE HIM PERMISSION TO HELP THE DEMONRATS – the same people who defend his son’s killers – to destroy the republic.

      Liked by 6 people

      • hawkins6 says:

        ” It’s sad that kelly lost his son at the hands of the enemies of the country. THAT DOES NOT GIVE HIM PERMISSION TO HELP THE DEMONRATS”

        That’s true Country. But the 1st Amendment does.


        • CountryClassVulgarian says:

          I did not say he does not have the right to speak. He does not get to be part of the destruction of the country by using the excuse that he lost his son. He can say whatever he wants. I have no respect for him.

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          • LULU says:

            Another opinion from a disgruntled fired employee. In corporate America, it happens all the time. This is just a far different venue, but the same kind of people inhabit it.

            I never trusted Kelly. His supercilious attitude, his aloofness. He considers himself to be better than the rest of us, including President Trump. There is probably a name for that pathology. It lead him to do what many accuse PDJT of doing. Kelly thought he could do or not do whatever he wanted. He was not used to the chain of command he found himself in.

            He brought in his #2 from DHS, Kirsten whatshername, who was a colossal flop. Far over her head. Her firing stung him. Then he went. He has been carrying that bag of injustices around ever since. This was his big chance.

            His son was a hero. Kelly is not.

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        • Lester Smith says:

          Generals don’t like their words not being taken as gospel. I can see a lot of fiction happening. POTUS is his own man. I’m sure the General left very p’d-off. The general is use to being top dog. Generals are use to telling others to jump. On a baseball team their is a General manager and a manager. When the manager trys to manage the GM guess who gets shown the door. Remember all media advertised General Kelly as the man to bring order to the white house. What they all meant was control Trump. A poisoned relation that resulted in a bitter divorce. But being military the general should exercise more control and restrain his ego. The old saying if you don’t have anything good to say don’t say anything at all.

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      • S. Bishop says:

        General Allen is another one that needs to be called before the Senate under oath to testify who he met with during his tenure that involved any discussion of removing POTUS.

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    • Lulu says:

      He’s a scumbag who was repulsed by the President and his 63 million voters, but told the NSC staff he was taking the COS position to save the country from the awful Trump and his voters.

      While there he plotted with Tillerson and probably others to undermine every policy of the Trump administration.

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      • CountryClassVulgarian says:

        ‘Xactly!!!! Now we are supposed to let it all be because well he served in the military and so did his son, and his son died. He gets to give us all the big fat middle finger and we are supposed to say ”thank you can we have some more”.

        I am sick and tired of these people using military service to get away with downright traitorous actions. Enough of the pretense.

        Liked by 8 people

        • LULU says:

          There are a lot of rats in the military. Lots of good guys, for sure, but lots of rats as well.

          Liked by 6 people

        • Dutchman says:

          They are, most despicably, exploiting the ‘band of brothers’; the bond of fellow soldiers, and the respect SOME civilians (Deplorables) have for the military.

          Just as we see candidates for office with military service on their resume, we need to remember NOT to make associations that are not valid, on that basis, alone.

          McCain, Kerry (John), and many others that served in the military, that I wouldn’t swerve my car to keep from hitting, if they were drowning, wouldn’t ‘lend a hand’ (unless it was to push them under).

          And many like the Vindman twins, ‘serving’in gov’t. are snakes.

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      • James P. Ryan says:

        Essentially, Kelly as COS was a carbon copy of what Vindmann would’ve been 25 years later in life. He was shown the door, and he richly deserved that fate. Now he is the male version of Hillary – booted out, and both belligerent and vindictive because of that.

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    • Boots says:

      it’s A/G Barr’s turn to complete the genuine other “half of the case” that Kelly demands and indict the conspirators and reveal to the nation, the entire despicable plot as cogently outlined for him by sundance.
      And bald men’s hair will grow back, all cancers will be cured, and world peace will envelop the entire world.

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    • swampfox999 says:

      Kelly clearly isn’t knowledgeable with respect to our Constitution. An impeachment in the House and and Senate trial are not the same as an ordinary criminal trial. He should stick to matters he may know something about.

      Liked by 2 people

    • swampfox999 says:

      Kelly clearly isn’t knowledgeable with respect to our Constitution. An impeachment in the House and and Senate trial are not the same as an ordinary criminal trial. He should stick to matters he may know something about.


    • trialbytruth says:

      Resist he much. Umfortunately most generals.are.political hacks and a disgrace.to the uniform.

      Liked by 2 people

    • Kelly never had a relief for cause in his military career and the rub elbows with all your senior leaders to keep the key position he wanted did not work with President Trump and his feeling are hurt.


  2. CountryClassVulgarian says:

    …and still they lose. THERE IS A GOD IN HEAVEN. The gates of hell can plan and connive all they wish. They will not prevail.

    Liked by 4 people

    • The Demon Slick says:

      It’s funny, when we were reading about the rules changes long before shampeachment was in motion we could see the plan laid out. At the time I said it would fail. I was right, but man, they got a lot closer than I thought they would. It’s incredible how much fantasy the media and dems can pretend into reality. They pretended the Russia hoax into a real special counsel who really threatened the Presidency, and they pretended the Ukrainian nonsense into a real impeachment trial in the real Senate where President Trump faced a real threat. President Trump needs to go scorched earth on the conspirators. It can’t just be like take your shot at President Trump then saunter off to the caf to see what’s for lunch. There needs to be real world consequences. President Trump can’t be the cartoon dog on a chain and the cats know exactly how far it reaches.

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      • CountryClassVulgarian says:

        I agree President Trump needs to go scorched earth but I don’t know what that looks like. I think it starts with removing the traitors. The vindmans are STILL at the NSC. How can that be?

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      • amazed treetop downlooker says:

        Blatant traitors MUST be executed, lest we condone & tacitly promote the execution of our Republic.
        So sad…
        So TRUE.

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        • Dutchman says:

          When your talking about scorched earth, your talking about ‘actions and consequences’, and yes, JUSTICE.

          The consequences are irrelevance. They are discredited like the boy who cried ‘Wolf’.

          Being athiests, they are unfamiliar with MANY biblical stories, and more inportant the LESSONS contained therein.

          They CRAVE Power. Power is the ability to effect and shape events. As they discredit themselves, while building PDJT’s credibility, they continue to lose credibilty and become irrelevant.

          The worst fate for people like Hillary and Obama is NOT to be reviled, even universally reviled.

          Its to become irrelevant.
          Hillary WHO? Obama,….hmmm wasn’t he one of thos Presidents after Reagan and before TRUMP?

          They may not be imprisoned,….or hung as much as,I’d like to see it. But they have already lost credibility, and are losing relevance every day PDJT is in office.

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  3. DebbieSemms says:

    If only the GOP could take back the House and appoint a non globalist leader who knows how to fight. These rules Pelosi concocted should be turned and used against all of the coup plotters
    and enemies of freedom.

    Liked by 8 people

  4. Jederman says:

    Expect more of this in your face conniving sedition. Until the perps are investigated, convicted and punished there is no downside for them. They’re nuts and don’t care.

    I used to think the country deserved better, now I’m not sure. Unless this is fought and crushed it will get worse, and we may just deserve it.

    Liked by 3 people

  5. dscuyamungue says:

    I’m concerned what will happen if this type of blatant corruption continues without any of the perpetrators being brought to justice… and this is just the coverup!

    Liked by 2 people

  6. sm says:

    These people are so evil

    Liked by 2 people

  7. BobR says:

    Wray/Comey. Comey/Wray.
    take your pick one in the same. Guilliani for FBI director NOW!

    Liked by 1 person

  8. MrACC says:

    Geesh, how much power does the speaker of the house have? Seems to be crossing the boundaries of what our forefathers had in mind when constructing our Constitution, no?

    Liked by 3 people

  9. Lion2017 says:

    This is a coup. When will there be consequences for this treason!

    Liked by 8 people

  10. Imho, I believe PDJT figured he could easily handle the Mueller Cabal, however, the crooked partisan impeachment sham in the House and the fickle Rino Senators in the trial may have pi$$ed him off royally.

    I trust, hope, pray he will bring the wrath of hell upon all who have deviously and unlawfully tried to harm him. Mass resignations and/or firings are in the works – regardless of AG Barr’s or Attorney Durham’s work.

    Liked by 5 people

    • Jederman says:

      “…Mass resignations and/or firings…” for some. For others trial, conviction, jail.

      There has to be consequences. They didn’t go after the SECDEF or SEC state, they went after the President. With nothing.

      I agree and hope too that PT will go neanderthal after the election. If for no other reason than to protect the office of the presidency.

      Liked by 6 people

      • paper doll says:

        “There has to be consequences. ”

        Amen. They will not stop until they are stopped.

        Liked by 3 people

        • American Heritage says:

          Every insane and or criminal step the Left takes without consequence sets precedent and becomes the new normal, if there are no sanctions against them. Deepening corruption and ethical rot in government moves us incrementally, relentlessly toward totalitarian rule.

          Liked by 1 person

      • antiqueiron says:

        They didn’t just go after Trump, they went after US. The President MUST bring justice to every coup plotter. Huge task, but it must be done. Nothing is more important. It will take extreme measures, and severe methods many won’t understand.. The coup isn’t just pelosi etc. It starts with brennan, obama jarrett, holder, rice, the clintons, sessions, and many, many others. They are all tied together in this. They all must be brought to justice…or have justice brought to them.

        Trump doesn’t want to go that far. God bless him, he just wants to do his job and MAGA. He’s the best in the world at that. I believe he would gladly let all the traitors escape IF they would leave him alone to do what he does best. Win. Unfortunately, his lot is to save this country, even if that means some traded deal falls through, or some other campaign promise doesn’t get done. Or he has to stop winning for a while & use the military to round up traitors for trial & sentencing. Without a country, nothing else matters. We need our country back. Only Trump and us can get it done.

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  11. Kay123 says:

    We must remember Obomer was a Harvard Communist who spent
    time studying Constitutional Law. You need a deep understanding
    of the law to enable you to rewrite it line by line…. to self
    destruct……the Constitution, the community, the state, the entire
    US, and therefore the world as we know it.

    The only way to stop it is get rid of anyone who is
    ANTI AMERICAN. That unfortunately, is about half
    the whole country, because we have let thousands
    more of them into our country daily for the last 70
    years. Before that not so much. Do the math.

    We gave our country away to smooth talking
    political communists who wanted to dilute the white
    race and enslave the blacks and browns…(hopefully,
    those communists never again enforce slavery of
    any race…..but we know they will force us to feed them.)
    It will take another civil war to change it.

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    • Super Elite says:

      You are so right about the math You may be right about another war of Northern Aggression aka Civil War. I heard what President Trump said at the last rally about political communist wanting some slaves, us.


    • antiqueiron says:

      It all starts at the top. Drain the swamp, & I mean really drain it dry. Without that, nothing else will work. New congress, SC, Cabinet posts, IC, State, Defense, all of it. By force, all at once. All before 2014. Burn it down, rebuild Trump style. All faithfully adhered to the founding documents. If this doesn’t happen, about 4 minutes after Trump’s next term is over, we will revert right back to 2015. And all this work getting Trump elected and keeping him in office, will have been for nothing.

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      • Dutchman says:

        You know how PDJT rehabbed the old post office bldg, in DC?

        Its EASIEST to just bulldoze the old building to the ground, and start over “fresh”.

        More challenging is a complete ‘redo’, but KEEPING the original, core structure.

        And MOST challenging is to do that, WHILE CONTINUEING TO OPERATE A BUSINESS, out of the building WHILE you are doing the complete remodel.

        It takes a real BUILDER to do that, whether its the old post office, or the Swamp.

        Fortunately, PDJT IS a Master Builder.
        5 more years, he can get it done with our support.

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        • antiqueiron says:

          That is all true! There is one thing missing though. He couldn’t redo the old Post Office building if he had to fight an army of termites tearing down the building 24\7\365. He’d have to stop & fumigate the termites first, then go about his work. He IS a Master Builder, & he CAN get it done. But the gloves must come off first, & the vermin must be exterminated.


          • Dutchman says:

            Hah! We’ll see what happens!

            The one thing, perhaps the ONLY thing, Obama said, that IS true.
            A Prresident, ANY President, has more flexibilty AFTER being reelected.
            Because they no longer have to be concerned about the political considerations of running for reelection.

            Another related thought; The power of the Presidency is fairly static.
            But the power of a President is directly related to his support with the populace.
            The greater his support, the more power he has, to accomplish his agenda.

            PDJT is going to have an unbelievably strong mandate, after November.

            And finally, what the House Dem idiots may have done, with this idiotic shampeachment, is,INNOCULATED PDJT against impeachment.
            They try it again, like boy crying wolf, people are going to roll their eyes, “what, that again?”

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            • antiqueiron says:

              I would agree with all that. It’s a long way till November. We need some huge wins before then. We need high level perp walks before then. These idiots can cause a LOT of damage if left unchecked. He should go after the House hard. Have pelosi, schiff & nadless investigated by the DoJ. Like starting next week.


              • Dutchman says:

                Not sure prosecutions, between now and elections, is the BEST strategy, politically.

                They have been insuring against that, from day one with accusations of “Dictator” and “Banana Republic, prosecuting his political enemies”.

                Yes, I know THEY are the ones doing it (projection).
                Still, its a political calculation; realistically, how many votes is he going to win if there ARE perp walks between now and November, and lose if there aren’t, vs how many is he going to LOSE if there ARE (“See! He IS prosecuting his political enemies! We TOLD you so!”)
                that he would NOT lose, if there are no prosecutions, till AFTER November?

                Its a political calculation, and no one can know, for sure.
                I do think, given the phenominal amount he has accomplished, anyone who doesn’t vote for PDJT in November, solely because their haven’t been perp walks,….is as shallow as the nevertrumpers.

                And, I suspect such people, if they exist, are very small in #.

                Like it or not, there IS a reason why the DOJ has that unwritten rule about not announcing indictments of a political nature, 60 days before an election.
                Frankly, in the,era of Trump, that time definetly needs to be extended.
                Certainly not defending Barr/Durham, those who follow my comments will know that.
                But, objectively any indictments of the coupists announced, since Barr was appointed, could realisticall affect the 2020 election, in unpredictable and uncontrollable ways.


                • antiqueiron says:

                  The number of hard core conservatives who are furious over no prosecutions in three years is a larger number than you might think. I hear it everyday personally. Destroying the deep state is priority number one with hard core types like me. More important than the wall, the economy and trade deals. If Trump leaves office with the deep state intact, we will revert right back to where we were in 2015. I fully understand what you are saying though. I’m more of a John Wayne, kick the door in & shoot ’em all, type of guy. I don’t like 48D chess, playing games, or “letting the enemy reveal themselves.” I like figuratively punching the enemy in the face.

                  In my view, we are past political considerations. “Gee, we can’t have justice because of the election,” doesn’t fly with many. It’s never the wrong time to do the right thing. This is a war for the country. Plus, allowing the coup plotters to remain free to continue will have an effect as well. Just because they have failed so far, doesn’t mean they won’t find some success. Sooner or later, they will stumble onto something that resonates, or much more likely, manufacture something that might stick. Delay is good for them & bad for us. The Clintons should have been in jail two years ago. That was a campaign promise. But it isn’t happening.

                  I doubt that anything is going to happen before the election anyway. My gut feeling is that Trump will prosecute none of them. He has no desire to do what would be necessary to win. If no justice is done, that will severely tarnish his legacy much more than any fake impeachment ever could. And a great economy, good trade deals, and the wall, isn’t near enough to make up for it.

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                • Dutchman says:

                  Well, I USED to be a kick in the door, and shoot em all kind of guy.
                  Now, I’m older and spent many years ‘paying back’ karma, or experiencing Gods retribution for the errors of my mispent youth, LOL.

                  In POLITICAL terms, I find it hard to believe there are many, as you say ‘hard core types’ who are going to vote for somebody else, or stay home, because Hillarys not in jail.

                  And, saying “Because you’d be in jail” is not the same as saying “If I am elected, my first priority on Day one will be to have the DOJ indict Hillary, and ALL these miscreant crooks!”

                  So, campaign promise?,, implied at best.

                  PDJT is a genius at finding unconventional ways to accomplish his goals, no matter the situation or adversity.
                  For example, WHO among us would have figured out his solution to the,access hollywood tape?
                  Bringing Bills girls to the debate,was genius, and in hindsight seems obvious, but who among us thought of it?

                  I would LIKE to see gallows, erected on the D.C. mall, and a long line of miscreants taking the,13 steps.
                  But, I’m realistic. There are too many, the DC jury pool is truly a case of ‘a jury of their peers’, the DOJ needs a major housecleaning, and there are major power centers in DC that,DON’T want that, as much as WE do.

                  So, IS there another way? Perhaps, I submit, there is.
                  Discrediting his opponents, over time, while simultaneously INCREASING his OWN credibility is something PDJT seems very adept at.
                  “I have been audited every year, for last 20 years”
                  Expert on CNN, MSNBC, etc.;
                  “That is REDICULOUS! No one has been audited by IRS, every year for,20 years, its an OBVIOUS LIE, because he doesn’t want to release tax returns!”
                  IRS official statement, after Trump authorised; DJT HAS, in fact, been audited every year for last 20 years.
                  “My campaign was ‘wiretapped’ by Obama admin!”
                  Again, “Rediculous, absurd, a lie!”
                  Oops, true again.
                  Over time, with repetition as each “outrageous” statement by DJT proves true, and his detractors proves false, his credibility is increased, and theirs diminished.

                  Annd credibility is the key to power; if you can no longer shape public opinion, you can’t exert power to effect events.

                  You become irrelevant. And, its already happened. Press? Credibility GONE.
                  Dems? Credibility GONE.
                  Nevertrumpers? HAH! Credibility so gone, its hard to believe,we,EVER cared what these people thought or advocated.
                  Last 3 Presidents, prior to Trump?
                  Totally discredited. Hard to believe we started 2016, thinking it was a ‘shoe in’ for JEB. JEB, are you F’ing KIDDING me?

                  Anyone think we are going to see another President Clinton, Bush or Obama, EVER again?

                  And yet, in say,…2014 we would have said it was INEVITABLE.

                  THATS discrediting.

                  And, when you combine that,with the trade deals (much of the corruption was to bribe officials to go along with these one-sided trade deals) AND turning a spotlight on Foreign aid (another, related major area of corruption) the ‘water’ that supplies the swamp is cut off (illicit $).
                  Digging drainage ditches to drain off the,water from a swamp isn’t enough. You have to cut off the water at its source, otherwise more water,will just flow in.

                  “When your up to your *ss in alligators, with pyranha and water moccasins slithering into your waders, boa constrictors dropping from the trees above and wrapping around your neck, malaria carrying mosquitos biting you, and your next step possibly going into quicksand, it is difficult to remember your GOAL is to DRAIN the swamp.
                  So, rather than wade in and try to fight the swamp creatures on their turf and terms, and focusing on your GOAL, perhaps you should go miles away, and dam up the rivers/streams that FEED the swamp, with a constant supply of fresh water?
                  THEN dig your drainage channels. As the water level lowers, the creatures are exposed. As more water is drained, those that don’t wonder off are fighting each other over ever smaller pools of standing water.
                  THEN you can move in, and shoot the small # of the most viscious, most cunning and detirmined, who are all thats left.
                  Start clearing and leveling the EXTREMELY rich, fertilised soil you have exposed, and plant your crops.
                  Food for thought,…?

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                • antiqueiron says:

                  Yes, I’m aware of all that, & I agree. The problem is time. We don’t have the time for that kind of scenario. Trump’s first term has been practically used up already (by design). We have five years, starving the swamp would take maybe 25 years. Plus, it gives the swamp time to affect events & fight back, taking up even more time and running out the clock. Which is exactly what they are doing. They WANT Trump to do what you suggest. They know that they can stall long enough to survive Trump. Then, it’s back to 2015, on steroids.

                  I still have the view that the DS must be crushed, all at once. Now or very soon. The tactics of the past three years has bled off some support & deflated expectations. Most people I come across have no hope that anyone will ever be prosecuted. They will still vote for Trump, but they are disappointed that Trump hasn’t forced the DoJ to act. Yes, there still is huge & growing support from non-traditional areas, like the rust belt, but they have different priorities. Their happy as long as the economy is good. The economy is secondary to me. The economy won’t be great if\when the swamp regains power. Notice how Trump’s successes have mostly been things that can be reversed easily? Mostly EO’s. Trade deals, tax cuts, immigration, even the wall. That will all be gone about 4 minutes after Trump leaves office, IF the DS is still a viable entity.

                  One last thing. Trump knows all this & much more of course. I can’t believe that he would leave office & leave the country with the DS & swamp still active. He wouldn’t do that to us. So, I think he does have something in mind. We just have to ride it out & see what happens. I will never lose faith in Trump, one good man standing alone, but I have zero patience. I want action, not more talk. After three years, it’s no longer good enough to Tweet about how unfair the left is, I want arrests. This was a coup attempt. As a historian, in other countries I see failed coup plotters executed. Ours simply return to business as usual, & go on with their next coup attempt. SMH.

                  What an interesting time to be alive!


                • Dutchman says:

                  It is a FASCINATING time to be alive.
                  I don’t think trade deals are that easy to reverse.
                  And, the trade deals PDJT has negotiated FUNDAMENTALLY change things, again in ways not easily reversed.

                  The remaking of the Judiciary, with lifetime allointments, also is not easily reversed.

                  For the military to get into the state of exhaustion it was in, when PDJT took office, was the result of two neverending ME wars, with stupid and counterproductive ROE, etc.

                  Point is, it took 20 years to get there, and he reversed things to where it will take another 20 years that they don’t have, because the American public has no appetite for such wars.

                  The economy was dumped, in 2008, and then ‘bipartisan’ (yeah, right) propoganda convincing us of a ‘new normal’ of stagnation,…that is DEAD.
                  Witness how they tried to sell a recession, and it had no legs.

                  PDJT passed Executive order to cut 2 regulations, for every new one passed. He did NOT meet that goal.
                  He has cut 8 for every one.

                  Even more impactful than these tangible changes, many of which will not be as easy to reverse as you think, is he has fundamentall changed PERCEPTIONS, which will be difficult/impossible to reverse.

                  Will anyone ever again believe the Democrat party is the party that is simply the loyal opposition, and advocates for,…
                  “Abortion should be safe, available and RARE!”
                  And similar, incrementalist positions i.e. the Democrat party of John Kennedy, or Harry Truman.

                  Such fundamental changes of perception can NOT be easily altered.

                  Exposed, Discredited, Irrelevant.
                  One only has to look at who was the Presumptive nominees for the 2 parties in 2016; Clinton and Bush.

                  Can you seriously imagine a time in the future when a Bush or a Clinton will EVER occupy the Whitehouse, again? Seriously?
                  THAT is changes that cannot be easily undone.

                  As for criminal justice, given his accomplishments in THREE years, I believe he CAN drain the swamp in the 5 years he has, particularly with an unprecedented mandate from the voters that I expect, from his 2020 landslide.
                  Fascinating times, indeed!


                • antiqueiron says:

                  Trade deals can be renegotiated at any time. Iirc, some have expiration dates. I might be wrong on that though. I agree on the military & judges. They absolutely crashed the economy purposely in 2008, no question. The regs can be reinstated easily in one day, by counter EO’s.

                  The left believes the Dems are indeed the loyal opposition, and always will. They justify all the crazy as necessary to stop the “crazy” conservatives. If Trump cannot crush the DS & drain the swamp, we will only have clinton & obama like presidents from now on. The former will be the “conservative,” & the latter will serve as the “liberal.”

                  The only thing that would add caution for 2020 would be the off the scale election fraud that will occur. It will be like we have never seen, even more than the last midterms which was I believe a trial run for 2020.

                  We are living in uncharted territory. There is no playbook anymore with our man Trump at the helm & that’s a good thing. All of us Trump supporters are really modern day pioneers, finding our way out of the dark & gloomy socialist forest. Standing back to back as we go forward, fighting off repeated enemy attacks.

                  I think of those farmers & shopkeepers that stood their ground at Concord bridge & on that green at Lexington so long ago, & I know we all owe them something. Corny I know, but true none the less. A debt of honor, to keep the fires burning so to speak. To keep their dream alive. We all must do our best in this fight we find ourselves in.

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                • Dutchman says:

                  Given how long it has taken to negotiate these trade deals, I disagree they can be ‘easily undone’.
                  In addition to the actual negotiation and passage process, as Sundance has noted, Companies are moving factories, building new factories, moving supply chains, ALL in responce to these new trade deals.

                  And, once companies LEAVE China, it is very unlikely they will go back.
                  So, theres that.

                  Beyond that, Perot, with his whiteboard, educated Americans on how we were getting screwed on trade.
                  But, he LOST. PDJT has edumacated Americans, by ACTION.
                  We clearly see the results of renegotiated trade deals, in the economy which in defiance of all the ‘experts’, is the enegiser bunny.
                  It keeps going and going, with no end in sight.
                  A successor who diverts, or TRIES to divert back to the way it was before will be dragged out of the Oval, and hung on the WH lawn.
                  IMHO, what PDJT is doing on trade will be VERY difficult to undue.

                  As for cheating, again my view; Both faces of the Uniparty run mediocre, unauthentic and uninspiring party shills.
                  They say what their base, R or D, wants to hear, in order to get elected.
                  They rig the primary process, to give the illusion of Democratic choice, while insuring the outcome, and yes, they CHEAT.

                  50% of the populace are so turned off by the choice of “the lesser of ywo weavils” that they don’t vote, at all.

                  Of the remaining 50%, at least 1/2 don’t really get interested until the primaries are over, and the ‘druthers’ already decided.

                  When it is a choice between dumb and dumber, this system ‘works’ for both faces of the uniparty. And, they can fine tune things with ballot fraud, as they have manipulated to get the vote close to 50/50, so that a few 1000 fake ballots can make the difference.

                  The Uniparty HATES and FEARS Populist/Nationalist candidates.
                  Because an authentic P/N candidate, from the left or right, can totally overwhelm the rigged system.

                  Say what you want about Bernie, he is authentic. He IS a leftist P/N, which is a conmunist. See his huge rally attendance, in comparison to Hillary. See how he stayed neck and neck with her on funding, with small contributors.

                  And, of coarse there is PDJT’s 2016 campaign, which similarly had huge rallys, and spent 1/5 of what Hillary did.

                  My point is that cheating works when no one is paying attention, except a small group of devoted followers.
                  The Dems are exposed, openly rigging the process with Bernie by changing the rules, and EVERYBODY IS SEEING IT.

                  The ‘create the ILLUSION’ of choice isn’t gonna work.
                  And, BALLOT fraud won’t work in 2020; it only works when there is a close to 50/50 result. It can NOT overcome a landslide.

                  JFK told a story. As he and family and followers were celebrating his victory, he complained to Dad Joe Kennedy that his margin of victory was so small.
                  “Son, I agree to buy you a victory. I never said anything about buying you a LANDSLIDE!….

                  So, I THINK we are going to see a landslide unlike anything seen before.
                  Look at the % of attendance at PDJT rallys, by registered Dems and Indies.
                  In 2016, PDJT was an unknown quantity as POTUS, having never held office before.
                  This is NOT 2016. he had 3 years of unparralleled accomplishment, and the opposition has taken the unpopular position on every major policy, is openly rooting for recession in economy and defeat abroad, and have NO CANDIDATE.

                  You can NOT cheat enough to overcome a landslide, when everyone is watching, IMHO.

                  And, their lame attempt at impeachment is an aknowledgement by action, on the part of the Dems, of this reality.

                  And not corny at all, I know EXACTLY what you mean, and I think we all feel it.
                  As a R voter, every four years the party has tried to get voters enthused, saying “THIS is the one, its VITAL that you vote, the Republic is at stake!”

                  And the Dem party was saying the same thing to THEIR base.

                  Frankly, even when Obama was running in 2008 and 2012, I just didn’t FEEL it.
                  Yes, I saw Obama as a threat to our Republic. But I just didn’t feel like McStain or Romney were a defence to that threat.
                  I held my nose in ’08, and shamefully voted for McStain. In 2012, I just couldn’t do it with Romney.
                  In 2016 I was willing to crawl naked, a mile thru broken glass and barbed wire, to vote for DJT, and my commitment to vote for PDJT in 2020 has increased exponentially.

                  I DO feel, for the first time in my life, like the fate of our Republic is at stake. The Dems are gonna get slaughtered at the ballot box, there is NOTHING they can do about it, and its going to be GLORIOUS!


                • antiqueiron says:

                  A few years ago I did serious, deep in the weeds research on how elections were rigged & what was (then) possible. At that time, I owned & operated an IT company, so this was of great interest to me personally. Even I was amazed at what they could do. Trust me, it doesn’t have to be close to be effective. They can make it close. And it doesn’t matter if anyone is paying attention or not. All the machines are vulnerable big time & the new ones are even more so. Infected machines can infect other machines with no human interaction. Candidates don’t matter, they can make the vote counts anything they want them to be, & they can add qualifiers so that if the vote is close, the rig ratio changes. They can do it in many different ways, locations, and various outcomes in different locations. It’s all invisible. You could stand there & be watching the machine & it can rig the vote count. The new paper trail machines are every bit as vulnerable. Sure they spit out a paper, but then you have to re-scan it into the machine where it can change the vote. Hacking is not necessary either. Then you add the social engineering elements, “ringer” candidates (Connor Lamb etc) and the obvious old school methods and you have a rigged election. Way too long to get into here, there’s a lot more, but trust me on this, it IS a problem on multiple levels.

                  All that said, Trump will win in a landslide this fall. You are right about that, it’s just too big to rig! The Senate may be a different matter though. They don’t need to defeat Trump himself if they get the Senate.


                • Dutchman says:

                  I agree, and my comments on rigging elections primarily applied to the,’old school’ rigging; Dead people, illegals, incompetent nursing home patients, and busing voters.

                  And then their is gerrymandering. And, you don’t have to bus voters to another state.
                  Take voters from a district where the outcome is certain, and bus them across the district line, to a ‘purple’ district.
                  Tell them their vote will count.

                  I do agree the electronic voting, vote by mail, and absentee voting makes it much easier to cheat.
                  Heres the thing that gets me;
                  Mark Twain, over 100 years ago, wrote about Dems cheating.
                  JFK talked about it. LBJ did also “That dead person deserves to vote, just as much as every OTHER dead person in this graveyard, son!”
                  So, every four years, on the same day, the same gang comes into town, and robs the same bank.
                  Been going on for GENERATIONS. HOW hard is it, to CATCH them?
                  A project veritas, with registered lifelong Dems, now Trump supporters, wearing recording equipment, and volonteering to work for Dems.

                  Could shut the whole thing down, and expose how it is a country wide effort.

                  But yeah, by their actions of impeach at any cost, the Dems have made it clear; they know the limits of whats possible, and they know cheating won’t be enough.

                  As for the RNC, the restraining order has been lifted. They COULD do a lot more to expose ballot fraud.
                  They don’t WANT to, in part because they do it, too.
                  They rig primary elections, and cheat in generals, as well.

                  Just ask Ron Paul; Romney ‘stole’ the nomination from him, just as Bush ‘stole’ the nomination from McCain in 2000.
                  Politics is dirty business and a blood sport. The rules have always been made by the parties.
                  A lot of cleaning up to do, and vigilence rather than complacency.
                  Oh, and they won’t get the Senate. McConnell may get his worst nightmare; enough R’s that the odious fillibuster rule becomes irrelevant, and squishies don’t matter.

                  That, and ONE senator with the balls to vote to recess. Perhaps one who is retiring?
                  THOSE are McConnells nightmares, lol. Hey, I can DREAM, can’t I?

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                • antiqueiron says:

                  I couldn’t agree more. Good post.


                • Dutchman says:

                  Yeah, there may be slight, nuanced differences in how we view or express things (point of view) but overall, we’re in alignment.
                  PDJT is OUR “Glorious bastard”
                  And I thang God every day, that I have lived to see this!

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                • antiqueiron says:

                  It would seem so. We need to be fighting them, & not squabbling among ourselves over details that won’t really matter until we see what our President has in mind. He can render anything we say obsolete with one Tweet. We don’t yet know, what we don’t know. LOL


                • Dutchman says:

                  Yes. I think its fine to SHARE our different points of view, as in “I see it THIS way, you seevit differently”, but no squabbling.

                  Say what you want about Rumsfeld, and I don’t know if he came up with it, but the “things you know, things you know you don’t know, and the the things you don’t know you don’t know” is spot on, especially in the “Trump era”, lol.

                  I really don’t know what I think on this Ukraine thing;
                  DID PDJT, knowing the Dems were,desperate for anything to impeach him on, once mueller self destructed, and knowing/suspecting he had traitors like Vindmann on NSC staff, DELIBERATELY go “off script” in order to TRIGGER an impeachment? WAS it a ‘set up’, a ‘master troll’,…or not?

                  I am right at 50/50 on that, could see it being either way.
                  Given what he did with his tax returns during campaign, its certainly POSSIBLE.

                  He sure is entertaining!

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                • antiqueiron says:

                  I don’t think he wanted to trigger an impeachment. That call was indeed perfect. I didn’t spy anything planted in there that would be purposely suspicious. I now know that the Dems really are that bat sh*t crazy. Before, I never thought Pelosi would go through with it. She is an idiot, a drunk, demented & several other things, but she is politically cunning. She had to know the end result. The question now is, what does Trump do about all this? I have my thoughts on that. I have contacts on the Hill, but nothing solid from them lately.


                • Dutchman says:

                  From what has been made public, I INFER that before a POTUS to head of State call, the joint committee, or whatever its called, prepares “talking points” for the,POTUS.
                  i.e. what he,SHOULD say.

                  They have said PDJT went ‘off script’ in a couple of areas; mentioning Biden, Burisma and crowdstrike.
                  And “doing US a favor, and cooperating with AG Barr in investigations.
                  Safe to assume those were NOT in the talking points.

                  And, safe to assume if there were any Obama embed spies in the NSC, just LOOKING for anything as an excuse, those “off talking points” additions would have set off alarm bells.

                  And you really don’t think PDJT, being a VSG didn’t;
                  A) KNOW that he had such embeds
                  B) Know that since Mueller collapsed, they were DESPERATE for anything they could use
                  C) KNEW that such off script comments would ring alarm bells?
                  D) Made sure he did everything EXACTLY right. When Sondland (I THINK it was) brought up “prid quo pro” PDJT repeatedly, adamantly made it clear he,wanted NO prid quo pro.
                  He made it clear hecwas asking Zalenski to do “US” a favor, and said work with A.G.Barr, the OFFICIAL he would appropriately ask them to work with.

                  Suspicious cat, understanding how PDJT “punked” the NYT ‘s on his tax return, says HMMmmmm,….?


                • antiqueiron says:

                  Merely being off script” means nothing. He’s the President, he decides what’s “on script.” The President, any President doesn’t make calls to heads of state being mandated to stay on some stupid script written by flunkies. Alarm bells? For who? Trump’s the freakin’ foreign policy boss. No, I think Trump is amazed that they actually went after that call. That they were that stupid. I wonder what other calls they are looking at? He needs to make all such calls outside the system in the future.


                • Dutchman says:

                  I think perhaps you misunderstand me. I fully agree the PRESIDENT sets foriegn policy, his,”advisors” only ADVISE. OF COARSE,he can go “off script” if he wants.

                  He is not the first POTUS to encounter this attitude from State Dept. etc.
                  Reagan had them most emphatically advising him NOT to say “Mr. Gorbachef, tear down this,WALL!”

                  In fact, according to those involved at the time, Reagan let them think they had prevailed, and then said it anyway.

                  Great scene in West Wing, where Will, the Presidents speech writer has,a conversation with someone from State Dept.
                  Granted, West,Wing was fiction, however they did make it pretty accurate.
                  The State dept. guy (actor) perfectly portrays this attitude.

                  The same attitude we see in the lady chairperson of the EU, when Farage said his goodbye.

                  Anyway, PDJT has surely encountered this attitude, knows he has traitors in his camp, knows that he has total authority to detirmine foreign policy, did NOTHING “wrong”, and COULD have set them up.

                  Thasalli’m sayin’,…the analogy to the tax return is valid.

                  IF the NYT’s had thought about it rationally, they would have realised there is NO WAY DJT’s tax attorney would confirm the tax returns were authentic, UNLESS DJT had authorised him to.

                  BUT, they were so eager to ‘run with the story’ (TDS) that they weren’t thinking logically, they were ‘thinking’ emotionally.

                  Likewise, if Vindmann up to Pelosi were,SO anxious for something to impeach PDJT with, they were certainly open to being ‘set up’ or ‘punked’.

                  Unlike the tax return, we can’t know, and I am NOT saying “For sure, he ‘punked’ them!”
                  Just saying its POSSIBLE, based on available information, and a little logic.
                  Its a,…speculation.

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                • antiqueiron says:

                  LOL, I may well have misunderstood you. I’m doing too many things all at the same time here. Trying to complete my newest book in between calls from my editor, putting together the images I need, reassembling an antique chandelier we just bought at auction that I had taken apart for cleaning (all with the able help of a German Shepherd) & following this wonderfully addictive CTH.


                • Dutchman says:

                  Hah, I hear you. Me; building a shop, having my stepvan rebuilt, and mechanic played games,with me, so having to sort that out.
                  And, yes the wonderfully ‘addictive’ CTH.
                  Given my history with addiction, CTH is a good addiction to have.

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              • Kirsty I says:

                Cool your heels, Big John Wayne! The nasty stuff is being done. 12,000 bad guys gone in 10 minutes. They could have surrendered. They chose a different path.
                Barry, Hillary (what’s left of her) and Jeffrey.
                When was Dolly the sheep cloned?
                1984 is the answer.
                2 years after the British Armada went to an Island filled with sheep.
                This war has been raging for centuries.
                Do not despair. We are winning with prayer.
                Pray, Big John. If you’re an action guy, that’s the most powerful action you can do.
                Leave the horror show to those who know.


      • American Heritage says:

        And the commies will start loading the buses bound for their gulags. According to a Cuban woman who recently published her book about escaping Castro’s Cuba after the revolution, Castro’s people were immediately able to round up 100,000 peopler day on buses bound for political imprisonment. (Sorry I don’t remember her name.)


  12. thinkwell says:

    I just got put in a seven week timeout over at The Hill for mentioning that Chief Justice Roberts inadvertently (or perhaps purposefully) indirectly outed Eric Ciaramella as the hoaxblower. The Hill has gone full loony leftist loser partisan. It used to be one of the only sites where both leftists and conservatives could go at politically without restraint.

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    • thinkwell says:

      Sorry, the timeout is only seven days (i.e., one week). It supposedly was for doxing and trolling. I wonder if they have put Chief Justice Roberts in timeout for doxing? The senate should, but for obstruction of the senate.

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    • paper doll says:

      ” This process is almost identical to the Fusion-GPS/Lawfare network handing the Steele Dossier to the FBI to use as ….

      To call them broken records is to insult broken records…..they can’t/ won’t stop, but one would think they would get a different script now and then . Lord


  13. David says:

    The point that gets missed in this story is that both Vindman and Ciaramella had direct knowledge of the WH meeting that the NSC called in January 2016 (Ciaramella was the WH host) where Ukrainian prosecutors were instructed to find evidence of Russian ties to Trump or his campaign associates. This was confirmed by Andreii Teleschenko, one of the Ukrainian prosecutors who refused to comply with the request which he considered unethical.

    If the persons that initiated the whistle-blower complaint were aware of their potential legal jeopardy that might be uncovered by an honest investigation of the 2016 corruption in the Ukraine and tried to block it using the statute to hide their identity that would be clear obstruction of justice.

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  14. Patricia Dolan says:

    This will go on and on until the deonRATS are back in power. Eric CIAramella, the Vindmans, Shifty, Pelosi and Atkinson….they all got away with it. This will never stop. these people are sick and I am sick of it.


  15. The Boss says:

    This CTH article is linked here…
    …in the lower right starting with “Analysis”.


  16. Bulldog84 says:

    I don’t see what these rule changes have to do with impeachment, unless they were terribly misguided, which would not surprise me given the quality of the proceedings conducted both in the House and in the Senate by the House managers. I believe POTUS’ lawyers have argued that general rules pertaining to oversight don’t apply to impeachment proceedings. Any future impeachment that suffers from the same defects as this one is doomed to the same fate unless the Senate changes hands. Perhaps that’s the gamble.

    I have no plans to immerse myself in any post-mortem reflections by dems on how their leaders failed them. I suspect most of them lack the inclination or insight to ask themselves, “Who orchestrated this so badly?” and they will point fingers outside the party. Was it utterly non-serious and never intended to succeed (which seems almost criminal, if so), or were the hands driving the bus completely incompetent to pull it off? We might not know the answer for years, if ever.


  17. Kay123 says:

    When I was young just after WWII…. I remember
    teachers, my parents, neighbors, all said the
    same thing ….” Be careful what you say, write, do…
    because if it is Anti-American, communist, etc…. you
    could find yourself in court!”

    Walt Disney was a secret “SOCIALIST” but nobody
    knew because he would have been Boycotted and
    Disney Productions would have ceased to profit.

    Now people like him….Bill Gates, most of Hollyweird
    and most billionaires and trillionaires, a few presidents
    etc. have been allowed to thumb their noses at us. ⚡️💥🔥


  18. Conte says:

    1 word: Write More


  19. jeans2nd says:

    “… there is a clear design to facilitate exactly this process.”

    Rep Devin Nunes confirmed this this evening, speaking with John Batchelor on the John Batchelor radio show.

    Rep Nunes told Batchelor the planning and execution of Pelosi and Lawfare had been obvious, to those who were paying attention. (yes, Rep Nunes is fully aware of Lawfare) All the moves from the day after the 2018 election had pointed to exactly the outcome we have today.

    And it is not going to stop.

    We’ve still at least one on our side, with a direct line to Pres Trump. One suspects others have been listening to Rep Nunes as well.
    We’re not out yet.


  20. mylabs5 says:

    I’m not sure if anyone else has presented this particular factoid, but apparently John Bolton hired the Vindmans in a highly unusual hiring of brothers to work at the NSC.
    Here is a link to the article (H/T TLD):

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  21. Joemama says:

    “With that basic network in mind, if we go back through Pelosi’s rule changes there is a clear design to facilitate exactly this process.

    They planned this out for a long time.”

    In other words they were conspiring to overthrow a duly elected president of the USA. Is this not prosecutable under RICO statutes as well as under laws about sedition?

    The NSA databases would have all the evidence you need to prosecute the RICO charge.

    Why is there no action by the DOJ, Mr. Barr?


  22. US says:

    Elijah Cummings got what he deserved.


  23. GTOGUY says:

    Devin Nunez needs to go to the House floor and read Atkinsons’s testimony word for word. He may get an ethics investigation, but then he will become a whistle-blower as he is telling the Country about Government corruption. He also is exempt from any criminal violations, Just like Harry Reid was when he said that Romney did not pay income tax for 10 years.

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  24. ezgoer says:

    There will likely be more set-ups to take down PDJT since there is no deterrent to make it stop. None of the coup conspirators is ever prosecuted and almost nobody loses their job. Until there is a price to pay there is no reason for the Resistance to stop. AG Barr does nothing and they know it.


  25. Matt Bracken says:


  26. TwoLaine says:

    I’ve said all along, the President’s team should be bringing this up. If you want to know when this started, BELIEVE what Nitwit Tehran Nan said and BELIEVE her rule changes.

    They should be submitting the rule changes on the Senate floor as evidence that it was all orchestrated by the DIMs long ago. They just needed something they could manipulate the sheeples into thinking was a crime, and even to deny it or ask for standard due process was a coverup. The latter being the most ridiculous nonsense of all, but they thought got away with it in Comrade Mueller’s $$$40 MILLION+++++$$$ sham non-case.

    I’d like to see them in their clod=sing arguments. The public should be aware of what they are setting up behind the scenes in the House. This is the People’s House, and it is time we #TakeBackThePeoplesHouse.

    I would also like to see them put to rest the nonsense that ILLary won the popular vote. BLOW IT UP! You CANNOT WIN a race that NEVER WAS. That would be like saying that the winner of any year’s Superbowl was actually the losing team because they ATTEMPTED more touchdowns than the other team, or some such after the fact nonsense.

    The DIMs have used this nonsense in every election since I was old enough to vote, in an attempt to chip away at the Electoral College, because they can’t win on ideas or track record in a fair REPRESENTATIVE fight.

    The rules of the election were well known in advance. Set in stone you might say. It was not and never was a popularity contest, even though they always try to make it so, both before and after. The Rules and the video footage are all on our side.

    Then you slam them all up against the wall by bringing up DIM Super Delegates and tell the public at large that the DIMs in this room not only picked the failed DIM nominee for 2016 they will be picking the next DIM nominee in 2020, so NONE of them should be sitting as a jurist in this trial.

    The DIM candidates that are running against President TRUMP and those that picked and will pick the next DIM nominee are all tainted, and should and would have been removed from the jury pool in any other trial.


  27. namberak says:

    Any theories as to why the Cummings angle was, seemingly, abandoned? Was he just in the original plot so they’d have a race card to play? Maloney, who took over the committee, half the time looks like a grouper in a fish market that’s past its sell-by, but still, I wonder…


  28. There is so much nonsense going on in our government that has nothing to do with serving the peoples. It is time for the people to take back their government and then govern those hired to serve them. So sick of bodies like the FBI and CIA ruining innocents, because THEY CAN! Demand your government heal! Demand it and take nothing less, and pay for nothing less! They are our servants! How foolish a people who by the many millions will lay down and take crap from the few! There are so many instances of government interference in the lives of the people who they are supposed to be serving, we must make them do the jobs they are hired to do or demand they be fired and replaced with those who will. People, if we do not, we will soon be part of something that is NOT who we are, free people. We must remember what can happen, by looking at Nazi Germany. Don’t say things can’t happen, they already are and have been for over 50 years. Just watch when the dollar falls…it will be those who serve who allow it to happen.


  29. NIN JAH says:

    Les Coup Part Deux…


  30. Trialdog says:

    Sundance, I read recently that Vindman and his brother, central figures in this fantastical farce, are/were Bolton hires. Conservatives (patriotic, not ideological or Vichy) have been and continue to be unable to accept that Bolton is a part of the swamp. An integral part. A part that said things conservatives agreed with over the years. I’m very skeptical of Mr. Bolton now and unlike many will never get beyond it. I can’t fathom how vast numbers of unqualified and inept people held positions of power in our government. I had always thought they were the best and brightest. Maybe they are, which is sad.


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