The Washington Post Helps Identify FBI Lawyer Who Altered FISA Docs…

At 8:15pm last evening Washington Post journalist Devlin Barrett posted a supportive article for the CNN (Manu Raju) news exclusive that outlined an “FBI Official” who was under criminal investigation as an outcome of the inspector general review of FISA.

The original WaPo article by Devlin Barrett noted the FBI official was actually a “line-level” lawyer who worked “under FBI Agent Peter Strzok.

At 12:15am, the WaPo article was significantly edited, two more journalists (Ellen Nakashima and Matt Zapotosky) were added to the byline.  Unfortunately, no explanation or notation of the changes were given.

~ Above: 8:15pm Washington Post Screen Grab prior to 12:15am edit ~

However, that said, the edit(s) help to identify the identity of the FBI lawyer.  The updated article removed the references to Peter Strzok, and identifies the line-level lawyer thus:

[…] The person under scrutiny is a low-level FBI lawyer who has since been forced out of the agency, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss material that has not yet been made public.

The employee was forced out of the FBI after the incident was discovered, two U.S. officials said. Horowitz found that the employee erroneously indicated he had documentation to back up a claim he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis for the application. He then altered an email to back up that erroneous claim, they said. (link)

If you have followed the case closely, the intentional removal of Peter Strzok in combination with the explanation of the lawyer’s FISA responsibilities; and in combination with prior reporting of FBI lawyer 2; it seems pretty obvious the line-level lawyer was Kevin Clinesmith.

If the WaPo article had added all the detail and left in how the line-level attorney worked for Peter Strzok everyone would have known who it was.  Hence they put in more details about his activity but removed the Strzok reference.

Kevin Clinesmith was one of the key FBI small group members on the original Clinton investigation known as the “mid-year exam”, or in text messages the “MYE”.

Within the MYE Clinesmith was one of the key legal staff working with Peter Strzok.  Clinesmith was lawyer #2 for Strzok who eventually transferred to the subsequent Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

Clinesmith was also previously reported to be having an intimate relationship with another member of the FBI team, Sally Moyer, though that is uncertain. [Tashina “Tash” Guahar was also a key legal figure on the Main Justice side of the MYE team.]

Sally Moyer was FBI unit chief in the Office of General Counsel (counterintelligence legal unit within the FBI Office of General Counsel).

Ms. Moyer was responsible for the legal compliance within the FBI counterintelligence operations that generated FISA applications.

When the MYE investigation finished, the Carter Page FISA construction is where Kevin Clinesmith and Sally Moyer come together in their next assignment, the FBI investigation of Trump.

Additionally, Tashina “Tash” Guahar was then Deputy Assistant Attorney General (DAAG) in the Department of Justice National Security Division (DOJ-NSD) with responsibility over the assembly of FISA applications in Main Justice. In essence the FISA lawyer.

[Related Sidebar: Current ICIG Michael Atkinson, the IG who modified the whistle-blower forms and allowed a hearsay CIA whistle-blower complaint, was the chief legal counsel for the head of the DOJ-NSD at the time all of this was happening.  Yeah, sketchy]

This is what it looks like put together:

In the Carter Page FISA application FBI line-level lawyer Clinesmith is responsible for the underlying evidence. FBI unit chief lawyer Sally Moyer is responsible for the citations (the “woods file”) that identifies the underlying evidence.  And then DOJ Tashina Guahar is responsible for the final application assembly; then it goes off to the top level DOJ and FBI superiors for signatures and submission to the court.

The WaPo article cites Clinesmith: “erroneously indicated he had documentation to back up a claim he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis for the application. He then altered an email to back up that erroneous claim.” That “back up citation” would be where his girlfriend Sally Moyer puts the Woods File citation.

This FISA assembly process: Clinesmith to Moyer to Guahar, took place in October 2016.

Almost three years later, Inspector General Michael Horowitz finishes his investigation and notes the issue with the documentation that supports the Woods File requirement.

This is part of Horowitz draft report as delivered to Attorney General Barr in September. According to the Washington Post the lawyer was “forced to resign.”  Further confirmation of the identity is found within the LinkedIn profile for Kevin Clinesmith, which shows he left the FBI in September.  Sally Moyer has unknown status. However, when Horowitz delivered his initial report Tashina Guahar was still at DOJ-NSD.

Shortly after IG Horowitz delivers the draft of his investigative report to AG Bill Barr, Tash Guahar quietly leaves the DOJ-NSD {Go Deep} and is reported to have taken a job with Boeing Corp.   In hindsight the reason for Guahar’s mysterious exit makes sense.

According to both the CNN and Washington Post report, the issue with the underlying ‘Woods File’ evidence has led U.S. Attorney John Durham to conduct a criminal investigation.  That investigation would include Kevin Clinesmith, the “line-level lawyer”.

A concerning part of the Washington post report is this:

[…] That conduct did not alter Horowitz’s finding that the surveillance application of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page had a proper legal and factual basis, the officials said.

That sounds like a white-wash outcome; mistakes were made, move along etc. etc.  But, if we look back upon the status of our research when the Sally Moyer transcript was released, that outcome was actually predictable.

FromMAY 2019:

Sally Moyer was FBI unit chief in the Office of General Counsel (counterintelligence legal unit within the FBI Office of General Counsel). Moyer reported to an unnamed section chief, who reported to Trisha Beth Anderson, who was deputy legal counsel to James Baker.

Ms. Moyer is responsible for the legal compliance within the FBI counterintelligence operations that generated FISA applications:

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Pictured Above: Ms. Sally Moyer

A review of the Moyer transcript clarifies a few aspects:

First, the DOJ/FBI team, “the small group”, specifically the legal officials who were ultimately participating in the process that permits politicization and weaponization of government intelligence systems, was also the exact same legal group who reviewed (and approved) the 2018 inspector general report into FBI conduct during the 2016 election outlining the DOJ and FBI activity.

In essence, the DOJ/FBI bureaucratic corruption is so widespread, the corrupt officials involved are the same people who are the decision-makers in the amount of sunlight the Office of Inspect General is allowed to put forth. Now the disconnect between the OIG executive summary and the body of content material makes sense:

Secondly, Ms. Moyer explains how FBI verification of the FISA application used against U.S. Person Carter Page is essentially just making sure the citations align to show who is making the claims.

The underlying FISA application material does not need to be verified; rather the FBI source material is just accurately cited and attributed.  Note that’s where Clinesmith comes in.

Ultimately what this testimony reveals is that any U.S. person can be subjected to a Title-1 FISA surveillance warrant so long as the FBI (and DOJ) can accurately cite the reason for the underlying suspicion.  The FBI citation is the “Woods Procedure”, and it is in this citation process where Kevin Clinesmith is said to have made false documents to support the citation(s).

Sally Moyer infers the merit of the accusation has nothing to do with the citation for the claim.  However, this is where the IG report is taking issue with the FBI citation:

…Horowitz found that the employee [Kevin Clinesmith] erroneously indicated he had documentation to back up a claim he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis for the application. He then altered an email to back up that erroneous claim… (link)

If he’s altering an email, it sounds to me like Clinesmith is modifying communication with an FBI source to construct a citation for a claim within the FISA application; perhaps that FBI source is Christopher Steele.

Again, it’s circular.

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667 Responses to The Washington Post Helps Identify FBI Lawyer Who Altered FISA Docs…

  1. RJ says:

    You want some humor to go along with this “sunlight” report?

    SD presents a line of thought on how the game was played to get FISA activity on those who were deemed part of a larger plan…to destroy Donald Trump as best as possible. He outlines the tactics employed.

    Now, switch over to the House’s democratic game plan to cripple President Trump. Think of this game Schiff is playing, think of the people he has brought to testify and where they come from within government. Think about how Schiff is trying to “weave” a story from which Trump gets impeached.

    It is the same method–structurally, that those who wanted access via FISA.

    In other words, Schiff is showing everyone willing to see how the game is played by deep state operatives, right down to the so called secret “whistle blower” which is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

    Wife comes home early from work, goes into bedroom, finds husband in bed with her best friend, their next door neighbor. Husband wraps bedsheet up to his neck, looks at wife and says:

    “Honey, are you going to believe me, or your lying eyes?”

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  2. iwasthere says:

    Of course, after that white wash of the last IG report on “bias” – evidence of which was all over the place – the IG is there to protect “his” institution. Still a bitter pill to swallow. And of course, what do you want to bet the report just strolls right on past the elephant in the room -> the real abuse disclosed in the 99 page FISA order with the contractors and the data mining operation running in “test mode” for years. Lindsey will just play along and glaze this crap with the patina of “oversight.” We’re going to get the “limited hangout” of the FISA story as the firewall, when we all know the FISA warrant is the cover-up of the earlier and much more lawless abuse of the database. Certainly not the Church Committee truth commission we had in the 70’s. If Lindsey starts granting immunity to witnesses to come clean – then you might change my mind. Wormwood.

    Get to the deeper “Why” questions – and pierce that BS Super Patriot motivational lie.
    1. Out the 3 Contractors by name and personal and every staffer working in that joint program office.
    2. List the names and places (bugs) of all who were surveilled under the guise of the Page warrant (remember the 2 degree separation rule). It’s not Page, obviously. It’s the 100s of people 2 degrees separated from Page who were the targets.
    3. Get a list of the “other” FISA warrants. Maniford, Stone, Flynn? I can’t believe this begins and ends with Page.

    Obviously, no tweaking of the FISA procedural rules will prevent this abuse in the future. Rules and procedures were already breached – we know that for a fact! The only ONLY way any rule is worth the paper it’s printed on is to create a third rail. That means, dismissal and prosecution of the rule breakers.

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    • randy in rocklin says:

      Dang, you’re good. Are you a lawyer or LEA?

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    • litlbit2 says:

      Agreed, someone, more than one is writing the script for this illegal process. Noting how stupid one would need to be to join, means this BS must be edited as they go. So many holes they never thought through, like the perfect crime.

      Sorry but Sundance early on let us evaluate the process of another empty suit collecting a salary for NADA, this time labeled Horowitz. Happy Thanksgiving to the liars and cover up artists as the soap opera continues. Clown Fair

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    • Will says:

      I agree that this cannot be fixed with new rules or “training”. There is by now abundant reporting and credible published accounts of Obama Administration criminality that to date has gone unpunished. There is only one way of preserving even a semblance of the rule of law. Show me the indictments!

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  3. Free Speech says:

    Hey, Clinesmith, you don’t look like the type that would do time behind bars well. Spill it all and save your tail.

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  4. StanH says:

    This is just getting started folks. Be careful with leaks, they can lead you down the primrose path. It is classic swamp diversion technique.

    Be cool, hang tough, read CTH and be prepared. This will not be a quick resolve.

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    • JoeB says:

      Low level Attorney “Altered Docs”!

      Doesn’t anyone ask WHY, and at WHO’S request/demand???

      HOPEFULLY, that is what the “investigation” will solve.

      Liked by 3 people

      • Trog Luddite says:

        Journalists whom the leak is going to don’t ask those questions because they either know and can’t spin it, or don’t want to know to explain why they didn’t report it.

        Leaks are selective and self-serving. In the time that Sundance has been explaining and shining sunlight on this corruption, think about how often the Deep State leaks material to set up a false narrative (a lot) and contrast that to how often a White Hat leaks material (usually as an action of last resort; very infrequent). Lets wait 24 hours to see what additional information we receive.

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      • JAS says:

        Exactly! Every “low level” has a boss who has a boss, etc.

        Conversation with the “low level” people and the bosses goes something like this”:

        – “Sir, should I be doing this? It doesn’t sound right.
        – C’mon boy, just DO IT! We have your back. Nothing to worry about…”

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    • chojun says:

      I agree.

      The leaks will be designed to deflate the impact of the actual report.

      Although I have warned people that I feel that the report itself will be anti-climactic for many people. They need to remember that the FISA report is only one aspect of many current investigations.

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    • Chip Doctor says:

      StanH, exactly! This does not mean that other bigger fish are off the hook.

      CNN was running this story as “BREAKING NEWS”. Fredo had McCabe and Baker on last night. He never asked them about CNN’s own breaking news. Instead they talked impeachment.

      I believe the msm’s plan for this is to do one leaking breaking new headline after another, then minimize or invalidate it like last night. By the time the real deal comes out their viewers will just tune it out like they have the Russia Russia Russia nothing burger BS.

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  5. Sporty says:

    Just because the Swamp wants to dictate whom the proverbial sacrificial lamb is going to be doesn’t mean it will be so. They can’t even run an Impeachment hearing without screwing themselves.

    Liked by 4 people

    • Orville R. Bacher says:

      The Shallow State has no Perspective. Zero. I don’t know when Peak Ridiculousness arrives but this pile of excrement never, ever had a foundation.

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    • Mike says:

      We know the Steele dossier formed the basis of the FISA application. John Ratcliffe has seen the unredacted version of the warrant and confirmed that is the case. McCabe testified no Steele dossier, no warrant. The fact remains that there was a fraud on the court using unverified information. Those who signed the warrant are culpable. I don’t see how some low level functionary can be the scapegoat absolving those who signed the document. Tracking how the Steele dossier became the basis of the warrant will implicate the bigger fish.

      The leaked information by the perpetrators is just trying to set the narrative before the IG report is released. I hope we hear from Ratcliffe and Nunes about their views on this story.

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      • Proud American from Texas says:

        This warrant application was the one Trisha Anderson said did not follow standard practice. It was signed by her superiors before she got it. Normally, she would approve and sign and then send to McCabe and Yates. Comey presumably would be last to sign.
        So, now it may be a conspiracy of at least three people, four, if you include Moyer.
        However, remember Rosey defending his signing of the last warrant application without reading it, when questioned by House committee?
        Did any or all of them know way back then, that the original application was falsified? If so, conspiracy to obstruct justice just got much more inclusive.

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  6. Kevin .. come on down .. you’re a designated patsy.
    You can accept this OR you can tell Durham everything.
    Everything.

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    • Trog Luddite says:

      Right. I won’t claim to be an expert prosecutor but I have some very old experience. When there is a conspiracy, you let each Defense Attorney know that the first conspirator in the door with the fullest statement and most verifiable evidence gets the best deal. You also try to work the prosecution from the ground up, rolling the lower level players to get to the higher level players.

      Or I may just be engaging in hopeporn. Who knows?

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  7. James says:

    Sally Moyer, it is about time to change the oil in that hair.

    Liked by 3 people

  8. dustahl says:

    Swap team please, Roger Stone him

    Liked by 1 person

  9. Pegon Zellschmidt says:

    What a surprise. Another “First of all, Inspector Horowitz, I want to thank you for your 30 years of impeccable service to the d̶̷e̶̷e̶̷p̶̷ ̶̷s̶̷t̶̷a̶̷t̶̷e̶̷ country. zzzzzzzzzzzz”
    But wait!! Is that a cigarette Sally Moyer has in her hand???

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  10. hokkoda says:

    “This is nothing compared to what you will see over the next couple of weeks.” PDJT

    Cynicism is always the Order of the Day with the Government Party…but I think Trump is getting pre-briefs of the report.

    “What I see, I think you’re gonna see things that are incredible.”

    About the “historic” FISA report:
    “You have Durham coming out shortly thereafter.”

    So they’re using the FISA report as a road map and as political cover. He’s naming Susan Rice in the context of FISA.

    This is just the beginning.

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    • hokkoda says:

      Btw this is from F&F this morning…

      Liked by 2 people

    • legtingle says:

      I, personally, believed when Trump said I GOT ‘EM….I GOT ‘EM ALL, a few weeks ago at a helicopter presser. It came tumbling from this mouth. THAT WAS ENOUGH FOR ME….I believe him and think this whole house of cards is going to fall….all the way up to Down Low Barry.

      Liked by 6 people

      • Randolph Scott says:

        When the imposter gets his we should all send him a Happy FU rot in Hell card.

        Liked by 2 people

      • mitchryderdetroitwheels says:

        I agree with you. The Donald can’t make such a statement without backing it up otherwise the MSM would beat him over the head with such comments.

        I wait for the day when Donald plays The Rook.

        Liked by 1 person

        • hokkoda says:

          The fact that NOBODY in the Government Party Media is talking about that, and Trump almost immediately stopped saying it, is Yuuge.

          If you want to know what the Government Party Press is worried about, watch for what they don’t report.

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          • Bill says:

            hokkoda, that thought crossed my mind as well. When I saw that statement, it was only because someone on this site posted it. Nobody in the media said anything about it. Normally they would have pounced and said PT is again making things up. Yet, nobody said a word. VERY telling.

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          • mushroom says:

            I hope your right.
            We know what Hororwitz is gonna do.
            We see signs of what Bill Barr is doing. RR send off. Tash Guahar to Boeing (his firm is helping their legal woes). Van Grack assigned to Fara. No indictment for McCabe. No GJ for Comey. Mueller is friend (I called Bob and said WTF). Letting Jessie Lui, little miss cover up, go after good guys, and whitewash everything else. Hasn’t investigated start of Ukrainegate.
            Bill Barr has however, put a stop to Russia, Russia, Russia. We would probably still be talking about Mueller. Assigned Durham so he can be hands off, to allow biggest investigation in American history go forth wothout polical bias issues. And has kept investigation “under seal” so MSM can’t minmize damge.

            Durham is the wild card. What will he do???

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            • hokkoda says:

              I am a cynic about this stuff, from years of experience. So my default mode is “nothing will come of this”. So, I was pleasantly surprised to hear that evidence had been uncovered of falsified information in the FISA application, and an ensuing cover-up by the person involved who (reportedly) has now admitted to it. I figure if I keep my expectations low, and allow myself to be pleasantly surprised, that’s the best place to live.

              Lindsey Graham was on Hannity’s radio show yesterday giving the old “mistakes were made” pap, that “what if the report says the agents were stupid, incompetent or lazy…but not criminal?” paraphrasing. That was alarming. Also, the leak last night included the statement that this lawyer’s actions didn’t change the basic conclusion that the FISA warrant was properly handled or something like that. Also alarming.

              But, the first leak out of the gate is a criminal investigation for falsifying something in the FISA and then trying to cover it up…and the person has admitted to it which hints at cooperation with investigators…which ain’t nothing.

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            • hokkoda says:

              I wouldn’t read too much into those people getting new jobs. If this lawyer fingered last night is the person Sundance thinks, then leaving the FBI and getting a new job clearly hasn’t shielded him from a criminal investigation.

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      • hoghead says:

        More recently, during one of his flying pressers, POTUS said, “…soon we’ll be on my turf…”

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  11. William elbel says:

    As an aside, look up the correct Polish pronunciation of Strzok: sounds something like T’schock

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  12. William elbel says:

    As an aside, look up the correct Polish pronunciation of Strzok: sounds something like T’schock

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  13. PDJT on phone wit Fox & Friends now. . . overall attitude seems to be one of optimism re Horowitz and that this revelation about the FBI lawyer is just the tip of an emerging iceberg and that there won’t be a long gap between Horowitz and movement by Durham.

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  14. In our hyper-kinetic and hyper-connected world, we have created a surveillance monster that we can’t control. Literally anyone and everyone can have every secret exposed by what should be insignificant government minions. Procedures intended to provide safeguards, some envisioned in the late 1970’s, can obviously be stepped-around at their pleasure.

    We must not renew FISA, nor PATRIOT, in their present forms. Both Congress and the Public need to carefully review these recent sets of IG findings and from them hold public hearings and debates to construct new laws and procedures that will actually work. Maybe we don’t need for some of these databases to exist at all. We certainly do not have adequate legal nor administrative controls: we know that some of the world’s most-secret and most-exhaustive information routinely walked out the door in the shirt-pocket of an FBI contractor who was routinely running queries that he had no legitimate business to run. And, senior officers put their signature of approval on something they had nothing to do with and therefore could not attest to.

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    • trialbytruth says:

      Good news if your a terrorist, kidnapper or bank robber.

      FBI is way to busy to run you down. However if you misremember the cast and crew of Happy days while discussing, a “where are they now article” in the Enquirer” in the line at the grocery store. Swat team at 4am.

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    • Trumpeter says:

      Hahaha
      Loved it, sign me up for two unicorns.

      Of course, a better way to resist Tyranny might be to bury a AR15 or two.

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    • owtolunch says:

      Sorry … It got signed yesterday….The dems slipped it tnto the CR Budget resolution and Trump signed it… FISA and Patriot Act got renewed before the discussions could be had… There were many against it… Passed on DEM vote no republicans …. Page 25 of CR…

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  15. mitchryderdetroitwheels says:

    When Kevin meet Sally……….two very ugly people….not there is enough beer to

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    • Zorro says:

      Kevin and Sally were probably set up on a “blind” date by the Ohrs. You need to blinded.

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      • not2worryluv says:

        Is there a secret Federal Dating App we don’t know about?
        If this kind of “fraternizing” in the real world workplace one or both of them would be fired.
        In the Government they are either promoted or moved to another agency.
        One set of rules for us Deplorables and another for Dedicated Public Servants.
        I’m starting to gag every time I hear “thank you for your years of dedicated public service”
        In the real world most of these folks should be told “thank you for screwing up our Country while being over paid, arrogant and disrespectful to the Constitution’.

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  16. tommyd22 says:

    Jesus lady, buy a bottle of shampoo already will ya…

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  17. k4jjj says:

    When you look at where the government goes to recruit, it is no surprise to find the depths of depravity working in government. The most Left-wing lunatics are the most prized government recruits from Leftist universities.

    It is common knowledge the State Department routinely rejects rock solid Americans in favor of these Leftist radicals.

    The FBI does not hire experienced street cops or deputies from the heartland.

    All of these rotten government employees don’t just hate Donald Trump. They hate everyone who voted for him. They especially hate Christians who call for righteous and moral leadership.

    Our federal bureaucracy does not reflect decent American people and their core values. This is why our nation cannot continue on this course any further. The entire federal government is a wicked, organized crime syndicate.

    Top politicians, media stooges, lawyers, Leftist judges and many military officers are working against us. In eight years of Obama, there were only two national injunctions issued by federal judges against him. In just three years of the Trump presidency, we have had FORTY national injunctions by Obama and Clinton federal district court judges against the Trump administration.

    Only 27 such national injunctions were issued during the entire 20th Century.

    This is not self government. This is judicial tyranny of unelected judges. The American people can no longer choose their leaders and the direction of their government.

    We have a presidential impeachment effort that began before President Trump even took office.

    If national elections now mean nothing, America now means nothing.

    We are witnessing all of the necessary ingredients for a civil war.

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    • Zy says:

      These are statistics we need to keep in mind and disseminate.

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    • sDee says:

      “We are witnessing all of the necessary ingredients for a civil war.”

      We are. Not one of us should fool ourselves otherwise. Even the most optimistic among us should be preparing.

      We live under the rule of men whose tools are a galactic body of law which they yield to reward friends and punish enemies. Hateful, corrupt and evil. The media has ensured no outlet of truth.

      The depth and permanence of it would never have come this far into the light without Donald Trump. In my lifetime I cannot recall having a leader, so I will stand 100% with him while preparing for the worst. Still, my gut tells me this can only be rooted out by the actions of patriots.

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    • Mariainohio says:

      This is the same tyranny exposed during the impeachment farce. They all knew better that little ole us. I can’t believe that Schiff was explaining that things don’t make sense to us plebes because were not lawyers. so I guess stupid us needs smart lawyers because we are incapable without their wisdom and if we get something wrong, they will fix it even if they have to break the law.

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  18. Brian Baker says:

    So as long as the institutionally corrupt FBI/DOJ lawyers dot their i’s cross their t’s, it doesn’t matter whether or not the words containing the i’s and t’s are actually true.

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  19. Blue Wildflower says:

    We need to make sure all our friends and family understand the Secret FISA court. It was used against President Trump and it can be used against you! Make this personal and make them understand how it can work. Don’t get in the weeds! If you shook hands at a rally with President Trump, they can record everything you say and do.

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    • sDee says:

      excellent advice

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    • “FISA failed.” First created in 1978 because Congress didn’t like what Nixon had been doing, it created a situation far worse. The head of the NSA said so, and so did at least two judges who are supposed to be running the thing. It’s time to take both this and PATRIOT to the legal scrap-heap and build something to replace them that actually works.

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      • The Boss says:

        The FISC judges have little recourse when they discover criminal activity. What are they to do? Contact the FBI? Go to the Fake News?

        They can resign, spill their guts and then be prosecuted by the FBI’s circle jerk pals in the DoJ. Or – they can wait until they are assured of a pardon. Or they can go along to get along like other useless bureaucrats and politicians. I’m thinking the last option.

        So – burn it all to the ground.

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  20. Mainecoonman says:

    She’s a beaut 🤣

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  21. Zorro says:

    So nothing for the people, a big GoFundMe for Clinesmith.

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  22. hokkoda says:

    Remember, the IG is an inward looking navel gazing exercise. It’s going to focus on policies and procedures. He can only report what people are willing to tell him, and what he can dig up.

    We had an IG inspection when I was in the Air Force. The squadron had some things they didn’t want the IG looking at. What did they do? We had alarmed “drop floors” in the main operations center. Leadership stored things under the floor to conceal it from the IG. So the IG runs down his list on the left side are policy statements on the right side is a checklist. I was very junior then, so I kept my mouth shut, but took hell from one of the Captains who would tell me I didn’t know what I was talking about. I was ostracized at work.

    About a year later, he comes back as a member of the IG team. I’m sitting at the bar in the officers club, and he walks up and buys me a beer. “I’ve got something I want to say to you.” And I’m thinking, oh great, more shit. He says, “You were right.”

    After almost a year on the IG Team, he has seen things that opened his eyes to the corruption, and the powerlessness of the IG in terms of what they could report. All the things I had been saying that got me ostracized at work? He apologized. It was really something.

    This call with Trump on F&F is cutting through the chaff. “Beyond belief” “historic” “I don’t think the fake news can downplay it” (naive)

    He’s already been giving the broad contours of both Horowitz and Durham.

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    • Trog Luddite says:

      This report is maybe twelve years old. Parliament buried it, and it stayed buried til River dug it up. This is what they feared she knew. And they were right to fear, ’cause there’s a universe of folk that are gonna know it too. They’re gonna see it. Somebody has to speak for these people.

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  23. I’ve said for a long time. The whole thing will boil down to this. We (FBI) were getting all these reports from all these different sources and the election was coming up fast so we had to act quickly. If the Trump was compromised we had to know because we couldn’t allow him to be the President.

    The spin will be faster than a front loaded washing machine.

    Horowitz’s main function is to give the appearance of a serious investigation and nominally slap a few wrists, and protect the institution and the players within. Doubt me, please see the milk toast IG report on the Clinton email “investigation”.

    If Durham doesn’t bring the goods the swamp, with all its reptiles, will happily bask in the glow of a sun lamp and no sunshine will be brought.

    Just prepare to be disappointed (I won’t be) in the Horowitz fairy tale.

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    • I knew the notion that Donald Trump was colluding with Putin after eight years of watching 0bama getting virtually sodomized on the world stage by the Russian leader was preposterous on its face, but that will have to be their defense….to plead stupidity.

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      • pyromancer76 says:

        I suggest that the Empty 0 was putting America’s a$$ out there to be sodomized first – dirtied up and badly mutilated – and then readied for the kill shot.

        His own Anti-American one was kept for multiple private pleasures. Every American government agency was being prepped for this “public” purpose and all patriotic citizens were being sodomized along with the country. Thanks for Sundance’s continued expose — down to the roots of the treason.

        Again, all those who have said on CTH “I didn’t know it was this bad,” or “I voted for the Empty O; now I know” need to give their brain a big, huge check for gullible-unto-death. “All the information was out there [before 2008]. You only had to let it in.”

        Gullible-unto-death is the big take-away from this. If all we Monster Voters don’t become transformed investigative reporters and personal police forces in our mind/brain/selves to take action against this evil, it will all happen again.

        Those who go to “Civil War” are way too early. We are in the vast majority still. It is the weaponization of the government that we must destroy for a Constitutional Republic to live.

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    • Zorro says:

      They had to investigate Trump and so called associates but Bill and Hillary were the ones getting big Russian bucks for speeches, etc. Why didn’t she need to be investigated Horoblewitz?

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    • hokkoda says:

      They will try, but we have all the texts and emails. Their story – all coup plots really – has always demanded total secrecy. Strzok’s loose zipper and total disregard for even the most basic counterespionage procedures will be their undoing.

      Strzok is to the coup plotters and the FBI writ large what Robert Hanssen was. Hanssen mainly did what he did out of total arrogance and for money. Hanssen was also a counterespionage agent in a similar if not the same division.

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    • Kleen says:

      Yeah but, they left paper trail, texts, and they had the Muller investigation that didn’t even investigate anything about Russia hoax. Nothing! Zero interest in Russia
      It was opposition research and intimidation.

      I think it will be impossible to get out of what they did. Paper trail.

      That being said, they may not face adequate punishment. We have a tyrannical justice system. Not a constitutional one. No such thing as justice for all, It’s a myth.

      Plus, if they succeed in stealing next election their swamp POTUS may pardon the cabal.

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    • Bill says:

      Well, then wouldn’t this lend credence to President Trump wanting to investigate Biden?

      See what I’m saying? Whatever excuse they use is going to set precedent to allow OUR president to do what he has to do to bust whoever he has to bust.

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  24. bullnuke says:

    Seems if you were involved in illicit conduct while employed by the government, and a liberal, just walk away. Nothing will be done to you once you leave office.

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  25. I’ll say it again…..We do not have a Constitutional Crisis…..We have a corrupt Lawyer crisis…..Virtually all of the exposed corruption at the FBI, DOJ, CIA, and other Bureaucracies has been willfully committed by Lawyers….Almost half of Congress are Lawyers…..The Judicial system being broke is an understatement….With corrupt politician Lawyers, Lawfare and activist Judges in place the system will never be fixed….

    Also, consider the corrupt(progressive Liberal) schooling system including the colleges….You must include the ‘Law’ schools….and you are witnessing it play out as corrupt Lawyers try to destroy the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Republic…..Pathetic….

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    • sDee says:

      Bill Clinton cleaned house by firing all DOJ attorneys. He then filled the cesspool with his own.

      Time for a purge well beyond the DoJ. We DON NOT need these people. They are the enemies of freemen.

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    • Randolph Scott says:

      And thus this is the reason I say that this can only be settled by We The People taking control of the situation.

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    • mushroom says:

      No way!
      Lawyers are a means to an end.
      We have a growing faction in America who does not believe in the constitution. Our Founding Fathers left tyranny to build a nation for We the People. The Constitution was constructed as such, beautifully and effectively, to do as such. Eartly on they realized they needed to better define the rights of the people, The Bill of Rights.
      Our Bill of Rights are being assaulted on ALL fronts.
      This is a coordinated effort by a significant movement in America. The lawyers are their weapon to break down our constitution.
      1st Amendment
      GOOGLE JUST ANNOUNCED NO POLITICAL ADDS! Twitter already said no adds. MSM will only show their narrative (bought and paid for by Bezos (WaPo), Soros(NY Times), etc.). Google manipulates searches for their narrative (some say Hillary could’ve gained as many as 10 million votes.
      We now have our own Propoganda Ministry!!!
      2nd Amendment
      Enough said. Scary though that San Francisco named the NRA a TERRORIST organization!
      4th Amendment
      Unlawful search and seizures. Can you say NSA 702 search abuse since GWB.
      5th Amendment
      Self incrimination? Ha! Your guilty regardless, PROVE YOUR INOCENCE!? WTF is that?
      6th Amendment
      Fair Trial, meet you accuser, right to counsel. Did you see the Impeachment Inquisition!!!
      7th Amendment
      Trial by Jury. Can you say Roger Stone jury??? These juries ARE NOT our peers!!
      8th Amendment
      Excessive punishment. If your a political opponent of the ruling class, forget about it. Roger Stone, Gen Flynn, Manafort, Butina, etc. Epstein got 18 months in a country club!
      9th Amendment
      Constitution isn’t your only rights. Well they aren’t even following these!
      10th Amendment
      States Rights. No, No, No. BIG Government knows best.

      ORWELLIAN
      This is just a simple example of the full out onslaught on the US Constition by the Globalist Left. They hate the US, what it stands for, and the American people who believe in the American dream.

      It is NOT just the lawyers.

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  26. David K. Peers says:

    I see Fusion GPS has a cover story in the New York Times this morning. Circling the wagons.

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  27. cambee99 says:

    Two things Sundance,

    1) this would indicate Klinesman is the only one in the principle review, which we know isn’t true. However, the other participants have the time to coordinate stories

    2) IG can only cite issues with processes. We know this time and again. Although not a complete whitewash, there is still a possibility of other stuff. The system is built to protect the swamp.

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  28. Patience says:

    “They hate Trump” has been said –over and over and over again….and again.
    WHY? ………For WHAT???
    WHAT is the REA$ON for the hate?
    ~~>Manufactured Cri$i$: “Impeach 45 !”

    The White Hats are coming

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  29. MaineCoon says:

    “[…] That conduct did not alter Horowitz’s finding that the surveillance application of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page had a proper legal and factual basis, the officials said.”

    This exact sentence hit me right between the eyes when reading it. This illegal, supporting documentation goes to the predicate of the FISA. It is no different than tampering of evidence in a court of law. If the WP reporting that DoJ concluded the alteration/tampering of evidence did not alter IG’s findings, and if this tampering of evidence supporting the FISA application was the predicate to the FISA warrant, then the pending FISA Report is going to be a croc.

    You can’t tamper with the evidence and conclude the consequences are legitimate.

    If the actual Report supports the above WP data, then its findings will be illegitimate. No court of law would allow tampered evidence to be submitted in a trial. Case would be thrown out of court.

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  30. Muthaucker says:

    The current Democrat party line is that spying on the Trump administration is just a right-wing conspiracy theory. This leak is intended to support that theory by sacrificing Clinesmith in order to protect the institutions and conspirators higher up. In essence, all the law breaking occurred at lower levels.

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  31. Mark W says:

    It’s almost as if foreign aid payments are filtered through corrupt corporations and then redirected back to high ranking American politicians through their children.
    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/its-almost-as-if-foreign-aid-payments-are-filtered-through-corrupt-corporations-and-then-redirected-back-to-high-ranking-american-politicians-through-their-children/

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  32. CopperTop says:

    A long time ago this site picked up a phrase I coined and ran with it…

    Cohen False Fact.

    That’s the legal hair that will allow Horowitz to justify the FISA application.

    Attorney client privilege assumption (even though based on the false fact) was enough to allow the sign off.

    The FALSE arrest of COHEN was the lynch pin to get the President to swear Cohen was his atty. PERIOD. If he didn’t swear to that then they could have used anything from Cohen to make a case towards anything they desired.

    If affiants swore to something wrong or could have done a better job…doesn’t matter. Only the affiant is responsible for what they swore to.

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  33. Patience says:

    OMG! Kellyann Conway and her husband just made a headline.

    “She must of done…to him”…. “He’s a whack-job”
    >Thanks President Trump. haha!

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  34. trialbytruth says:

    Good news if your a terrorist, kidnapper or bank robber.

    FBI is way to busy to run you down. However if you misremember the cast and crew of Happy days while discussing, a “where are they now article” in the Enquirer” in the line at the grocery store. Swat team at 4am.

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  35. mitchryderdetroitwheels says:

    We’ve come to the CrossRoads……….Saddle up

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  36. icanhasbailout says:

    you look at these Dems and not one is even sort of a normal person… they are all really creepy, broken people

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    • fabrabbit says:

      icanhas: PDJT said Schiff was a “sick puppy”. Agreed, how can he lie the way he does? It has to be pathological otherwise it does not make sense.

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      • icanhasbailout says:

        Schiff is an actual in-fact pedophile, Trump knows this, this is why he used the word “Liddle” (as in Liddle Kidz’ Foundation) to describe him.

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  37. I’m so Thank for Trump is our president,
    4’more year president,2020,
    drain The swamp please,
    Thank You GOD,

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  38. Genie says:

    Fake news orgs over-dramatizing the lyin’ line lawyer seems like proactive damage control. Same thing happened after Bill Clinton was deposed. Fake news reported he lost his temper and blew up during the deposition. The video later disproved that report.

    Prior to exonerating Ms. Rodham-Clinton, Homey Comey was built up as the most honest,straight-shootin’ Eagle Scout since Abe Lincoln. Barf.

    Fake news reporting on this altered e-mail has my spidey sense tingling up my leg.

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  39. dwpender says:

    If the WP is correctly reporting Horowitz’s penultimate conclusion that the Page FISA warrant (and renewals thereof?) were legal and proper, then either Joe DiGenova has been dramatically misinformed for over 6 months, or somebody changed Horowitz’s view.

    Joe said in May that Horowitz had already concluded that the 3 renewals of the Page warrant were all “illegal.” Shortly thereafter (when the Kavelec State Dept memo re Steele had surfaced), Joe said that Horowitz had “virtually concluded” that the original warrant was “illegal.”

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  40. Garavaglia says:

    Can Clinesmith (and potentially others hopefully named in the future in relation to this) be required to testify in a possible senate impeachment procedure? I might actually watch that..lol.

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    • Zy says:

      I think in the Senate the defense will be restricted to addressing the articles of impeachment. There won’t be any big revelation of the whole hoax.

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      • Bogeyfree says:

        Bingo, IMO, McConnell May likely agree to very tight rules on witnesses and only those involved in the call along with possible hearsay of the call. The trial will be allowed to cover the call.

        IMO this is playing out just like Shakespeare’s 1599 play “The Tragedy of Julius Caesar”

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  41. ncbirdnwrd says:

    The more I see revealed about the number of emails, texts, and illicit affairs “exchanged”, the more I wonder how they had the time to “cook up” this scheme, much less get any actual work done for which they were hired.

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    • pyromancer76 says:

      They didn’t cook anything up. They are hired because they are stupid or their brains are busted by drugs and ideology. They do what they are told. All patriotic Americans have to investigate: who is doing the telling. These are the patsies.

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  42. Bulldog84 says:

    Ms. Moyer looks like a slovenly slattern (and a smoker too — no insult to honest, decent smoking folk intended).

    I read somewhere that Clinesmith went to MSU law school. Not a top tier law school.

    Whoever did it was likely either instructed to do so (no defense, of course), and/or was led to believe — based upon the tolerated top down Comey culture — that this could be done with impunity.

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  43. USA First! says:

    Those pictures of Sally Moyer look like they were pictures taken while she was under surveillance.

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  44. Patience says:

    Moyer looks like a ‘female’ version of Vindman, & could pass for a Yovanovitch family member

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  45. Do stop thinking about tomorrow says:

    So I’m Kevin Clinesmith am I going to be the fall guy?

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  46. Phil aka Felipe says:

    Hmm. Sounds like the title of Sidney Powell’s book, ‘LICENSED TO LIE’, doesn’t it?

    I think I’ll buy her book!

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  47. Justin Green says:

    Way too many other criminal acts that Clinesmith can’t possibly serve as the fall guy for. Mifsud, Halper, Chalupa, etc., are all well above a line attorney’s pay grade.

    I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but Clinesmith can’t possibly be the fall guy for much more than modifying an email.

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  48. cjzak says:

    So I’m guessing nobody important will be fingered in the IG report? If WaPo is involved in spilling info about this that tells me all I need to know. The setup, protect the big guys and cover up motives continue by the deep state.

    Thanks SD for the great analysis as usual. Unfortunately, it’s pretty much what I expected with only names added. Wonder why this guy was chosen to be the fall guy for the elites on FISA issue? Maybe they gave him a sweet financial package to make the sacrifice worthwhile.

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  49. Patience says:

    Debbi Dingell just said (on fox), ” I am –deeply disturbed” 3 times.
    Ya think?

    >WHO does her eye make up?

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