Bill Barr’s Test – U.S. Attorney Jessie Liu Punts McCabe Indictment Decision Back to Main Justice…

Everyone has been looking for a moment where we can determine the intents and motivation of U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr.  Well, here is one…

According to reporting today from the New York Times, Washington DC U.S. Attorney Jessie Liu has punted the decision on whether to indict former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe back to Main Justice, via Deputy AG Jeffrey Rosen.

All of our prior research into the DC U.S. Attorney’s office, specifically toward Jessie Liu, has identified her as -essentially- Rod Rosenstein in a skirt.  Attorney Liu’s DC office was responsible for not prosecuting the Awan Brothers; and also Liu’s office was responsible for covering up the leaking of the classified FISA application by SSCI Director of Security James Wolfe. Yes, covering it up – there is ZERO DOUBT.

Both cases were clear law-breaking, and both highly politically charged.

Today the Times is reporting on leaks from officials connected to the DC office of Ms. Liu, framing her deference of the McCabe indictment back to Main Justice.

Two former DC prosecutors who were involved in the McCabe decision are mentioned by name in the NYT reporting: former lead prosecutor Ms. Kamil Shields, and also former prosecutor David Kent.  It would be interesting to see if Shields and/or Kent were also involved in the Awan case or the James Wolfe case.

Here’s the substance of the NYT article [emphasis and names added by me]:

WASHINGTON — Federal prosecutors in Washington appear to be in the final stages of deciding whether to indict Andrew G. McCabe, the former deputy F.B.I. director and a frequent target of President Trump, on charges of lying to federal agents, according to interviews with people familiar with recent developments in the investigation.

In two meetings last week, Mr. McCabe’s lawyers met with the deputy attorney general, Jeffrey A. Rosen, who is expected to be involved in the decision about whether to prosecute, and for more than an hour with the United States attorney for the District of Columbia, Jessie K. Liu, according to a person familiar with the meetings. The person would not detail the discussions, but defense lawyers typically meet with top law enforcement officials to try to persuade them not to indict their client if they failed to get line prosecutors to drop the case.

But prosecutors may face headwinds if a case were to go to trial. One prosecutor quit the case [Ms. Shields] and has expressed frustration with how it was being managed, according to person familiar with her departure, and a key witness [Ms. Lisa Page] provided testimony to the grand jury that could hurt the government’s case.

Additionally, Washington juries are typically liberal, and prosecutors could end up with jurors sympathetic to Mr. McCabe who believe that he, not the president, is the victim of a political witch hunt. Mr. McCabe’s lawyers would probably emphasize his long history at the F.B.I. and his role protecting the country.

[…] Though the meetings between Mr. McCabe’s lawyers and top law enforcement officials suggest that prosecutors seem intent on moving forward with the case, they could also decide to pass on an indictment. Spokeswomen for the Justice Department, the United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and for Mr. McCabe all declined to comment.

[…] what should have been a seemingly straightforward case with a limited number of witnesses and facts has dragged out amid internal deliberations. It has been under investigation for so long that the term expired for the grand jury hearing evidence. One of the lead prosecutors, Kamil Shields, was unhappy with the lengthy decision-making process and has since left the Justice Department for private practice. Ms. Shields declined to comment.

Another prosecutor, David Kent, also left the case recently. It is not clear why he departed but it would be an unusual move if prosecutors were indeed planning to charge Mr. McCabe. (read more)

CTH must point out – this scenario as described is exactly what our research identified when we posted the previously controversial outline of Jessie Liu.  [SEE HERE]

The tiered justice system in/around Washington DC is based on politics, who you know, and who might possibly be collateral damage if the law was indeed enforced as written.  This reality highlights the two-tiered justice system that has infuriated so many Americans as we have watched people in/around DC escape accountability. [More HERE]

As a reminder, here is the April 2018 Inspector General Report on Andrew McCabe which included a criminal referral for McCabe for lying to investigators:

Here’s the full report:


….The problem for Attorney General Bill Barr is not investigating what we don’t know, but rather navigating through what ‘We The People’ are already aware of…. (more)


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642 Responses to Bill Barr’s Test – U.S. Attorney Jessie Liu Punts McCabe Indictment Decision Back to Main Justice…

  1. Southrider says:

    So long as Ms Maxwell can sit, free among us, and enjoy a burger there is NO reason to expect justice from this administration.

    Liked by 5 people

    • huecowacko says:

      It’s pretty well acknowledged that the photo is fraudulent(see article at LibertyDaily), photo-shopped by Maxwell’s lawyer/friend—Why? Who knows; but, this is the Trump Administration, you think he doesn’t want this hoax exposed to the fullest?

      Liked by 3 people

    • dawg says:

      That was a fake pic of Maxwell. I think they put that out there to make everyone THINK she was in LA. I think thats the one place she definitely is not. I think she is most definitely out of the country.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Southrider says:

        OK, so maybe she’s enjoying the beach scene in Haifa with Pollard. No reason not to send some nice young men over there to snatch her socialite lil ass and hold her in a brig in some nice little cell in Gitmo.

        Liked by 1 person

    • Richard Orberson says:

      Another case of the Fox guarding the hen house. Jessie K. Liu is a globalist gangster who patronizes the Rothschild Groups


  2. Drogers says:

    The NYT hasn’t published a truthful article about the President or any subject matter related to him since he came down the escalator. And truthfully, I have no idea as to the hows or source that makes this one shaded or blatantly inaccurate.

    This much I know however, it’s written for the benefit of HRC, Democrats, and the deep state.

    Believe I’ll keep my powder dry for a different fight.

    Liked by 7 people

  3. Perot Conservative says:

    Since Ristivan, one of our local legal gurus, says Military Tribunals and moving the criminal prosecutions won’t work, I have one Hail Mary left.

    Two years ago when this all surfaced, some postulated that the NSA databases being in UTAH would be to our advantage.

    Since illegal access happened, can a case / cases be opened in that jurisdiction?

    That puts Nellie Ohr, Bruce Ohr, Glenn Simpson, Crowdstrike, FusionGPS, possibly Susan Rice, Samantha Powers, etc., potentially in front of a Utah jury.

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    • The United States has been operating under a declared national emergency, signed by President Trump, since December 20, 2017

      Executive Order 13818, signed December 20, 2017. “Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption”

      “I, therefore, determine that serious human rights abuse and corruption around the world constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States, and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.”

      Executive Order 13825, signed March 1, 2018. “2018 Amendments to the Manual for Courts-Martial, United States”

      If one reads the federal register correctly, one will see what President Donald John Trump has done!!!

      Gitmo is OPENED FOR BUSINESS!!!

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    • BigTalkers says:

      That’s interesting. Do you think that’s what Sessions was looking at with his appointment of Huber to investigate Spygate?

      Liked by 1 person

  4. Gary Lacey says:

    It would seem there is a code at the DOJ, don’t prosecute friends, brothers and in-laws(FBI).
    If the corruption isn’t fixed(prosecuted)it won’t just go away on it own, this has to be done for the sake of the Union!

    Liked by 12 people

    • American Heritage says:

      Seems our justice system can reach out and prosecute anyone who gets in their way on the flimsiest evidence, while their own most scurrilous offender associates are untouchable. As our justice system goes, so goes the nation.

      Liked by 3 people

      • Gbear says:

        The legal guild has failed us.

        Liked by 1 person

        • JiminCO says:

          That ain’t the only failure, GBear. Some of us in the “legal guild” have been reporting jury nullification and lawsuit abuse for years. The U.S.A. enjoys the best system for finding guilt or damages. Juries of our peers. Citizen juries have NOT done their solemn oath. Get me off of this jury-I’m busy. I don’t care, its only insurance money, I can get social justice by exonerating the little rat that looks like me.

          When We the People again take their duty of fairness serious enough to do their part in the judicial system, things will improve greatly. Washington D.C. is populated by government workers intent upon longevity, and citizen’s largely dependent upon government, handouts, or support jobs. It is almost impossible for any of them to be fair when it affects their pocket book and grocery list.


    • Mark says:

      You really have to understand that in the gov’t (all agencies), it’s the “Blue Wall” on steroids. Agents cover for agents. You don’t prosecute agents unless your hand is completely forced. Even then, it’s on the lowest end of the justice meted scale as possible. This kind of mentality helps to allow corruption within all levels of every agency. That and the mentality of agents to not disobey the higher up agents. Blue Wall. You don’t go against “orders” from above and everyone covers for everyone. Can’t fix it. Can’t just get rid of the top level and think that’ll make it all better. It’s rampant throughout. Get rid of the top level and in a few years, those at the top will be just as corrupt or more so depending on who is in office.

      Liked by 1 person

      • GP says:

        @Mark-very well said. IMO McCabe is waaaay down Trump’s to do list and I think POTUS very well knew that Barr wasn’t going to prosecute “Spygate” when he nominated Bondo Bill.


      • jiminCO says:

        Government worker thinks about his federal pension first. back rubbing is a close 2nd reaction.


  5. Mojo says:

    When Trump’s allies are indicted for their similar “felonies”, throw this SOB to the wolves. Put him on the defense. Let it all be heard. I dont care if he’s found innocent. He needs and the left need to be humbled.

    Liked by 5 people

    • Contrarymary says:

      It also seems to me that, with his lawsuit he filed against the justice department for unlawful, political firing, he could end up with his job back. If he’s not brought to trial and exposed, with the evil climate in our government, I believe it’s a distinct possibility.

      Liked by 1 person

  6. John Allan Wilson says:

    It seems cut and dried if the fellow lied or not. How can a jury see around that wall?

    Liked by 1 person

    • Perot Conservative says:

      A jury found OJ innocent within a few hours.

      Liked by 3 people

      • Lovearepublican says:

        If McCabe is not indicted, Trump needs to fire Barr.

        Liked by 3 people

        • Bob Parker says:

          I completely agree with you!!

          As much as I detest Jessica Liu (PU!!), this move forces AG Barr to make a move that will CLEARLY identify wheher AG Barr is a white hat or black hat!

          I would like to think that President Trump either has already had or will shortly have a meeting with AG Barr telling Barr to either Prosecute (McCabe) or get off of the pot (e.g You’re FIRED!!).

          1 can only hope that President Trump has a detailed map of those DOJ officials (i.e. Boente, Liu, Wray, et al) who are with the Lawfare group vs. the bona fide white hats that President Trump can rely on.


    • John says:

      He did not lie. He “lacked candor.”

      Liked by 3 people

    • Contrarymary says:

      A jury in San Fran found Kate steinle’s, illegal immigrant, murderer innocent and we know, for a fact, he shot her. It could be, though, (hope above hopes) that Bill Barr and John Durham are bringing a much bigger, broader RICO type case against all these coup plotters and will wrap the lying up in this case. You wouldn’t really want a bias jury exonerating him on a piddly charge of lying a few times to the feds when his whole takedown of trump was based on massive lies upon massive lies and subtrafuge. I’m not a lawyer but I don’t know if he could be charged again with the lying part, if he was already exonerated by a jury once. This is what I hope is happening.


      • Tl Howard says:

        You’d hate to lose on the “little” charge because you’re in a DC jury pool, when you could reveal the whole story and go after the plotters.
        After all, even Dems don’t believe that Muellar was “Trump’s guy” and Muellar and his team of Hillary backers said NO collusion, so it looks as if the person(s) you need to go after are the order givers and if you want to leave out Obama you go after Brennan/Clapper.

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  7. H. Hawke says:

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  8. xcontra says:

    Bah, humbug. BS report from the NYT. Might as well be about Elvis and Bigfoot.
    I will believe it only if Barr et al. indict Weasel Boy Comey and Weasel Boy McCabe.

    Liked by 4 people

  9. billybob says:

    It could turn out to be a case of Barr telling us that even though he doesn’t have enough evidence to file charges he also cannot exonerate any of the principals involved 😀 . If no charges are filed I don’t believe that is going to sit well with Durham and American history will not reflect kindly on Barr . Is that the legacy he wants to leave his family and America ?

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  10. Don McAro says:

    If McCabe walks…. Im done with all the bullshit…
    I might follow again when an actual arrest is made and a prison sentence happens… Speculation is no longer an option

    We are now 15 months away from the election…. If nothing happens in the next 3 months – nothing is ever going to happen… And that goes with RBG as well

    Liked by 5 people

    • Well, um, I don’t think the FBI can keep RGB alive. She will die when her time to die takes place. I am pretty sure she will not resign. So, whatever happens happens with that; I don’t see the equivalency with McCabe

      Liked by 2 people

    • appraisher says:

      I am in total agreement with you…with the amount of confirmed data out there, if no one is punished, I’m also done. If the DOJ can indict, threaten, extort, bakrupt and prosecute Mike Flynn on the flimsiest of evidence, I expect the DOJ to do nothing less for McCabe, et al.
      American Justice is lying on her deathbed, asking…no begging…”will no one step forward to save Our Country?” If Barr says “no”, this Republic is finished.

      Regarding Buzzy: She is mortal and will pass in her own time.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Don McAro says:

        Bravo well stated…. What I was saying about RGB is this…if she should pass in the next month or two… Leftists will say we are down to 4 candidates and the election is 13 months away….. It will just be another leftist made obstacle…and few will come to the defense of President Trump… that all I’m saying…


  11. David says:

    This guy is working for CNN now; vector points to him getting off or CNN would have to eat a major crow sandwich publicly. Would be delicious to watch but I don’t see it happening…

    Liked by 1 person

    • lokiscout says:

      Most cogent post on this thread. Like it or not nothing is going to happen to these bozos who tried and almost took down the Republic. It will happen again and most probably succeed the third time around. They will be just a little smarter next time.


    • Mark says:

      Have to look at CNN differently. They aren’t a news agency. They’re the propaganda arm of the Democrats. So, hiring him wasn’t about looks. It was about damage control. Using media to spin as much as they can, show him as a valid source, propagandize the entire thing into nothing illegal happened. CNN isn’t looking at it like they’ll have to eat crow. They’re just doing what they’ve always done … Democrat propaganda machine.

      Liked by 3 people

    • jebg46 says:

      CNN has no scruples so they’ll hire anyone who has Trump derangement in order to shape the narrative to beat President Trump. They crowned Avenneti even though he was a slime.


  12. He needs to be indicted…whether they think they have a case or not….just indict him…if he is is not indicted and if no one is indicted that is it….just it. This crap will continue on; why wouldn’t it…a free ticket to fame and glory.

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  13. I’m curious why Ms.Liu is still be allowed to handle any of these cases? She certainly didn’t waste a second when Mueller was referring her anyone for anything?? Doesn’t the AG have discretion to bring in an outsider, with no DC connections, unlike Ms.Liu, who is a DC goosesteppers and will do nothing that might affect her career adversely. Lastly, reading about Liu, she is very tight with both Mueller and Weissman. That alone should rule out her involvement with any of this…

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  14. H. Hawke says:


  15. Timely juxtaposition in today’s posts, Sundance:
    • China’s Liu He … perpetuating Trade Theft
    • D.C.’s Jessie Liu … perpetuating Deep State
    … Birds of a Feather!

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  16. inspectorudy says:

    Now the big mystery is Horowitz’s IG report. Is there one person here that really believes he will say anything to indict anyone? He will say things were done wrong but not criminally. He will state that there was no intent to harm the country but only to get the info out to the people. He did that when he investigated the hillary e-mail scandal. He actually said that the agents at the FBI did not have a motive or political bias to exonerate her! If Barr fails Trump should fire him on the spot!


    • albertus magnus says:

      Isnt that the report Joe Di promised us that would be out by 7/31?

      Oops, I mean, isnt that the report that was supposed to come out 25 days after Nancy Pelosi’s 2 week deadline regarding the wall was up on 7/6?

      Just trying to keep my calendar and dates correct!


      • Mark says:

        Joe D. has no more crediblity….zero. He and Victoria were on Lou Dobbs last week insisting that justice will be served by Barr. Why is it taking this long to decide on indicting or not indicting McCabe the referall was made over a year ago? I said it then. This was a slam dunk case. He lied multiple times. Where are the Nunes referrals?

        Liked by 1 person

    • vicarioushikermom says:

      who was it said the IG is where information goes to die.


    • Julian says:

      Fire Barr?


      Like he fired that SwampRat Chris Wray?

      I must have missed it tbh.

      Liked by 1 person

  17. Rick Pollard says:

    If Barr will not serve justice, he makes a mockery of our institutions.

    Public justice depends on private virtue. We, as a nation, must seek the Lord. His justice is perfect.

    Liked by 1 person

  18. Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

    So on his application for his CNN gig did McCabe answer the question:

    Have you ever been convicted of a felony?

    Not yet

    Liked by 3 people

  19. Dan Gleesak says:

    Put me in Coach,


  20. I am making my life calmer. I have accepted the fact that NOTHING is ever going to happen to these criminals. Nothing. Ever. Nada.

    Liked by 2 people

    • Koot Katmando says:

      That is where I am too. To borrow and old saying -it is what it is- We have to deal with it.

      Liked by 1 person

    • GP says:

      @vicarious-and your acceptance was part of the plan all along. It’s not like this is the first time deep state crimes have not been prosecuted. Spygate pales in comparison to some others (IMO). The DoJ is probably wondering what all the fuss is about.

      Barr may surprise us-but I doubt it


      • Julian says:


        Like Benghazi and running guns to Al-Qaeda?

        Or Fast & Furious and running guns to Mexican cartels?

        Or JFK’s murder?

        CIA/Mossad asset Jeffrey Epstein?

        FBI asset Stephen Paddock and his video poker and flying license?

        Or or or or or ? I’ll stop right there but I can think of a few more, maybe even one connected to Benghazi/Al-Qaeda.


  21. ARW says:

    I think this is good news. To me, the NYT is begging Barr not to proceed for the good of the country.


  22. Notice how the NYT lays down a smokescreen by saying that Lisa Page “gave statements that may damage the government’s case”?

    Yeah… I call that a FORESHADOWING.

    They’re already providing damage control for the day when William Barr announces that he’s letting McCabe WALK.


    NO ONE OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE WILL BE INDICTED, let alone go to trial or prison. They MEVER WERE.


    • GP says:

      HI atlet-I’ve been saying same for 18 months. And believe me I absorbed a lot of criticism when doing so. Now? Yeah-I think reality is starting to dawn on more people. Barr may be setting something up.but it looks less likely with each passing day.


  23. dallasdan says:

    The deep state strategy is laughably transparent.

    Liu is unequivocally dirty, as SD has clearly documented, and IMO she declined to make the indictment decision so she could avoid the blatantly obvious grounds for indictment and delay any further injurious disclosures that would inevitably be made if the case against McCabe proceeded.

    She is sending the stinking judicial mess back to the DOJ where I anticipate Barr will have no difficulty in delaying indefinitely any indictment decision due to fabricating a “requirement” for “additional investigation,” given the gravity of the charges and the new lawfare to be perpetrated by McCabe’s lawyers.

    Or, “The evidence is not sufficiently conclusive to indict,” and he walks.

    Or, “McCabe’s intent can not be proven to have been illegal,” and he walks.

    Or…, and he walks.

    I further anticipate that the escape of McCabe via Barr’s own hand will be the catalyst that induces SD to finally come out and proclaim that Barr is dirty, as I have believed, perhaps wrongly, since he was nominated for AG.

    In SD’s words:
    “Everyone has been looking for a moment where we can determine the intents and motivation of U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr. Well, here is one…”

    The deep state appears too strong, too agile, and too well-entrenched at too many levels of government to be overpowered and eliminated. JMO

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    • American Heritage says:

      I don’t see how Barr or any of the other law and justice federal insiders, members of the tight knit fraternal group, could be ethical and honestly prosecute one of their own without dire professional, personal and social consequences. They would be, at best, pariahs forever. I doubt any of them believe the Trump presidency is going to make any lasting difference in how business is done in Washington. They know how deeply dug in the socialists are and have been for a very long time. Like the Mafia and Islam, once you get in you can’t get out, at least, not the way you came in.

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    • Julian says:

      You say that is the “Deep State’s strategy – and it is laughably transparent (and obvious?) – and incredibly you are including Trump appointees in the “Deep State”.

      Are you saying Trump is the Deep State?

      What is Trump’s strategy though?

      If the ‘Deep State’s strategy is ‘laughably transparent’ – what is Trump’s counter strategy to ‘Drain the Swamp’?

      Also, I would add that if the DOJ declines to indict & prosecute – doesn’t that hand McCabe a victory in his case against the DOJ/FBI for unfair dismissal based on political differences?

      Surely they have to INDICT & PROSECUTE McCabe if only to back up their own case against McCabe’s?


  24. MDNA I says:

    “If they were to bring charges against McCabe, prosecutors would have to prove he knowingly and intentionally lied to investigators when he told them on two occasions that he did not remember authorizing Page to speak to a Wall Street Journal reporter. McCabe corrected himself at a later time.”

    Wow, that’s not a tightrope most prosecutors would wanna try to walk

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  25. Dan Gleesak says:

    Two pronged strategy thoughts: 1. Liu sends to Barr’s DOJ + 2. McDick joins CNN

    Lets the Left say:
    1. The ‘real’ DOJ felt he’s innocent & didn’t prosecute +
    2. Barr corrupt doing Trump’s dirty work against innocent person and silencing a ‘legit’ critic (CNN).


  26. Perot Conservative says:

    Ironically, one of the two who recently sued our government.

    Could Strzok possibly be facing indictments?

    Liked by 1 person

  27. Auntie Lib says:

    A couple of random thoughts… First – if the DOJ indicts McCabe for lying – at best that’s a slap on the wrist scenario that will cost the government a lot for very little ROI – assuming they could get a conviction. He has enough money to pay for lawyers and at the end of the day he doesn’t have to give anybody or anything up to get off relatively cheap. James Wolfe on the other hand. There’s a guy who can be charged with a big enough crime that he might be willing to drop the hammer on some of the big guys.

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    • Julian says:

      They already declined prosecution of Wolfe though.

      The optics of indicting and charging McCabe are worth it whether the case is won or not. Same goes for all the other coup plotters.

      It shows that ‘Draining the Swamp’ actually means something and isn’t meaningless campaign rhetoric.


    • FishtheDish says:

      There is another side to this. Indict – apply high pressure to McCabe – get him to talk. This is done all the time – Mueller did it with solitary confinement for Pete’s sake.


  28. Bogeyfree says:

    I wonder if PT even realizes he has been snookered again?

    Or maybe that was the exit strategy all along and we are the ones who been snookered again?

    Liked by 1 person

  29. MD says:

    Supposedly Durham has been investigating this since March. We were also supposed to see an IG report in May or June. Declassifications should have been taking place since Barr was given authority 3-4 months ago. John Solomon was on Hannity last week and said nobody has been questioned before a grand jury. This all adds up to a big fat nothing is going to happen!


  30. franz dorn says:

    The decision isn’t to indict McCabe. IT is whether that indictment will be unsealed and go to trial.
    McCabe won’t plea bargain; he believes he will win a jury trial in DC. Liu does not want to lose. McCabe will go with speedy trial.

    DoJ probably got an indictment right before the grand term expired. Probably a struggle maybe 12 votes and alot of arm twisting.
    This is another cutout case from Horowitz. Barr should sit on it until Durham report & big trial in Va.
    After indictment of Mccabe there, unseal this indictment and nole prosse. For now, sit on it.

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    • dawg says:

      I wish I understood all that but it went right over my head.


      • Fake news.
        The grand jury has already indicted McCabe. The indictment is sealed. Because of the secrecy of grand jury proceedings all indictments are born sealed and are secret. The prosecutor must move the Court to unseal the prosecute for trial

        Liu doesn’t want to unseal the indictment, not because she wants to help McCabe, but because she does not want to lose in front of a biased jury in D.C. The indictment gives her very little bargaining position. McCabe believes that he will win and won’t plea bargain.
        Prosecutors don’t go to trial with less than a 10% chance of winning

        McCabe does not want the indictment to be unsealed.That would make him known to be
        an indicted felon.He would also pay for the costs of going to trial and may have 10% exposure of losing.

        The Grand Jury term expired after 18 months. You cannot indict without a grand jury. Barr would need another Grand Jury. Why would you do that if you couldn’t get an indictment from the previous grand jury? For the NYT article to make sense the expired grand jury must have indicted. It may have been 12 votes out 23. It may have been 1or 2 out of 10 charges. It may have been nasty. Previously, the Grand Jury may have no true billed this case many times. Everything is a damn secret.

        The jury pool is the same for Petit Juries as Grand Juries. Petit juries, however, require unanimity and a higher standard of proof.

        But, a prosecutor can make a decision to prosecute after obtaining a sealed indictment.
        A decision to prosecute is not the same thing as a decision to indict, Two entirely separate things.

        To do that the judge would unseal the indictment.
        The prosecutor could also leave the indictment unsealed and wait until MCCabe in indicted in the big conspiracy case in Va.

        Barr and Liu have dangerous deep state tendencies; other factors can play a stronger role in explaining this situation.

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  31. Bogeyfree says:

    Here’s a simple litmus test to help “evaluate” AG Barr IMO……….

    Ask him yes or no, has he or any DOJ Attorney spoken to Assange this year about how Wikileaks got the DNC emails?

    His own SC after 2.5 years told the world it was the Russians who hacked the DNC Server while we have all seen the Ratner video and the lawsuit/claims by Ed Butowsky, which absolutely dispute the SC findings.

    So, if you are an AG who is only after the truth, so this can never happen again, would not one of your absolute MUST DO’s, be to interview/depose Assange???

    A simple yes or no answer, Mr. Barr.

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    • Moe Grimm says:

      Refresh on Bill Binney. Binney was also raided by fbi jackboots – another story to backup on for those interested. Binney is no jitterbug. He’s a mathematician and cyber forensics espert who wrote much of the original NSA code then left and blew them up once he found out what they were doing with it. Read surveillance and basis for FISA abuses and much more. Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) of which he’s a member backs him on how the Wikileaks were obtained. Pay close attn. to “Forensics” and “We Do forensics”:

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  32. ChampagneReady says:

    I don’t think McCabe’s lawyers would be meeting with main Justice twice to thank them for letting him skate.

    I think John Durham has got his teeth into this and Barr is backing him to the hilt. That’s why Lieu had to turn it over to Durham. She got stepped on by Barr and had no choice but to give up her plan of another whitewash job.

    To me these are good indicators of b-a-d news for McCabe.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Skippy says:

      President Trump has publicly praised Jessie Lieu. What a conundrum for her. Explains recent action to fire it back to Barr. I’m hoping Ms. Lieu deserves the praise.


      • ChampagneReady says:

        I think she’s a SDNY rat. There is no reason under the sun Aiwan shouldn’t have been prosecuted, It was horrific espionage that was as egregious as the Comey coverups.

        Then with McCabe, she’s dragging this out and running interference for McCabe with every intention to clean and launder his crimes. FOUR TIMES under oath he lied !

        A 2nd year law student could have prosecuted that and got the conviction.


      • Moe Grimm says:

        Another of Trump’s appointments. He must love shooting himself in the foot between a number of damn lousy ones he’s made coupled with his seeming affinity for harvard and yale graduates. Such a fine job they’ve done for this country, no? If he could find a true kindred spirit he should leave these appointments to him. Pete Navarro comes instantly to mind.

        Liked by 2 people

      • Trump does some very stupid things.


      • Ned Zeppelin says:

        President Trump also praises Chairman Xi (when he has his own panda mask on.) .


  33. taxpayer here says:

    If mccabe is able to skirt the law after he was clearly violating fbLie offense codes….then AG Barr will not be who I had prayed he’d be and there will be no justice. President Trump must be reelected irregardless of this outcome.

    Liked by 1 person

  34. Jerry Joe says:

    Sundance, you’ve spent unrecoverable time laying out in very fine detail the failed coup d’ etat the administrative state conducted brazenly against our Commander-in-Chief. There exists at least one disclosed text indicative of a group effort, “First, we fuck Flynn, then we fuck Trump.” From a purely historical perspective, your documentation of the timeline of events never beforehand occurring in our history will be a benchmark of accuracy and goldmine of information for historians of the future attempting to discover the events as they occurred over this past several years.

    I admire your refrain from promoting the same overstepping and disregard of the rules and law observed by those you report in your documentary. Regrettably, unless consequences commensurate with their failure never materialize, your undertaking will have gone for naught. With only minor consequences, this event could never be taught at any level without first donning a ‘tin foil’ hat. Without extreme consequences, this history could never be used as a teaching point in the values of equality, freedom, self-governance and patriotism.

    Can you imagine trying to explain reasons for lack of consequences being reduced to bureaucratic red tape, adminstrative indecision leading to passing deadlines, administrative unwillingness, or administrative resistance? The administrative confliction within itself has been untenable since it announced its own internal review. In the grand scheme as devised, McCabe was confident in his text because a Jessie Liu, a Jody Davis, the AG always had his back. Quite their revolutionary concept?

    There really is much more than $Trillions at stake.

    Liked by 2 people

  35. ITOne says:

    The key, IMO, to understanding the likely outcome of all of what we’ve been talking about for three years now is that Obama and his Deep State minions in the NSA/CIA/FBI collected for YEARS every electronic communication on every single American (and billions of foreigners as well).

    Knowing Barry, he had that entire database (or a subset of it having to do with a few million influential people) exported to his own private database so that after he was out of office, he could have Jarrett (or some IT loyalist) use a SELECT clause ( a bone thrown to the IT-savvy among us) to search it at will.

    So, every time there is an opportunity for an American with any power/notoriety to do something right, Barry has that database searched for dirt on that person, their family, relatives, friends and acquaintances. And everybody has something (about themselves, or ones they care about) that would be devastating if it appeared on the front page of the NYT.

    Faced with overwhelming blackmail, almost every such person caves to the Deep State and Barry, since to not do so will destroy them or ones they love.

    Candidates for this little Chicago-based game so far?

    Sessions? Roberts? Many of Trumps nominees who dropped out or resigned? Barr?

    You can probably come up with many other candidates for such treatment by Barry, Jarrett and Co.

    With that database, Barry is in control of virtually everything and everyone, and will stay in control until some brave person in the FBI does something to find that database, confiscate it, indict Obama and put him behind bars.

    That our president is still standing (and standing strong) in spite of what Barry has in that database is truly amazing.

    Look for a barrage of leaks from Obama about Trump (NYT, WP and/or CNN) just prior to the 2020 election.

    That’s been Obama’s pattern since his first run for public office (focusing most of his energy on finding dirt on his political opponents and using it to crush them).

    With that database, why would Barry alter his life-long dirty-tricks tactics now . . . ?

    Somebody needs to continue to do the right thing (even in the face of overwhelming blackmail by Obama and his allies).

    Will Bill Barr be that person? I assume we’ll find out in the next several months.

    Liked by 1 person

    • sDee says:

      This surveillance was all well underway before Obama and has, obviously, continued after he left.


    • Denise S Mahnke-Pugh says:

      And the bagpipes played on . . .

      ITOne: This is a very key post on CTH.

      The ability to spy on any person for anything at any time has become the biggest threat to democracy and freedom within the United States. This is THE essential problem that the American people are now presented with before them. It is clear and evident this will not be solved by the people who live and around D.C. – people who fancy themselves do-gooders propping up criminals and sustaining the problem while the bagpipes played on.

      This weaponized power, especially in our digital age, has destroyed the ability to have two opposing views and parties. The weaponization is silencing the opposing view in every way you can imagine. That moves a country into a dictatorship . . . not a democracy. Not only is the public/government sector weaponizing it, but the corrupt private sector Tech Giants are now participating in the weaponizing as well.

      Obviously, the American people see there is no moral character, good, or righteousness in D.C. I’m sorry if that sounds broad and sweeping, but it is a fact. D.C. insiders cannot be silent and go along with corruption and consider themselves moral people. Going on TV, writing books, and pontificating at seminars about the righteousness of a wholly corrupt institution you are a part of is the worst hypocrisy. Your altruism means nothing. You are corrupt. You are a rotten apple. You are rotten to the core. And the American people are not buying it for one minute.

      The dangerousness of this prospect is being vastly underestimated by AG Barr and the Swamp. For the American people to have ZERO confidence in key institutions like justice is a dangerous prospect. A dagger to the essence of freedom and liberty. Government has a duty to serve public good and that is now not the case.

      What remains an enigma, is how D.C. insiders cannot see the ramifications this has on their own families, the country, and generations to come. They are destroying the future. The “bubble” is not impervious.

      Liked by 1 person

  36. An says:

    Why can’t Trump seem to get an AG who will fight this nonsense for him?

    We’re to believe that Hillary had no “intent”, never mind that email with Colin Powell discussing exactly how to avoid the Presidential Records Act–something that, no doubt, factored into that desperate play to feed Colin an elector in the hopes of getting Congress to make him a compromise[d] president via some of the more convoluted rules in the electoral process–yet at the same time believe that Flynn had bad intent in filling out some forms wrong because his lawyer didn’t know exactly which groups the US government considered part of the Turkish government and the government declined to help?


    • 8675310 says:

      He’s drawing from the wrong pool. Larry Klayman would be perfect. The deep state hates and fears him. But, Mitch’s B**ches wouldn’t confirm if nominated. The root of the problem can be laid at Mitch’s feet.

      Liked by 3 people

  37. 8675310 says:

    Wait for it……Prosecution declined.


  38. Ospreyzone says:

    I’ve said it before, but it seems worth repeating. The real problem that Bill Barr has with prosecuting members of the “small group,” as they are referred to here at CTH, is that each one of them is inexorably tied to at least one player above them. That fact virtually guarantees their safety. Strzok won’t go down without taking McCabe. McCabe won’t go down without taking Comey. Comey won’t go down without taking Lynch and/or Obama.

    You have to have the guts to destroy them all if you go after one, because all will stand accused as soon as the first rat faces the music. Such fortitude and resolute mettle does not exist in the halls of bureaucracy. We are most fortunate to at least have it in our President, but that is not where prosecutorial decisions will be made.

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  39. dawg says:

    If anyone in here commenting has NOT yet contacted the DOJ, the AG, Senators and/or congressmen and implored them to indict McCabe, and inform them that we all know what happened, and this can not be swept under the rug without destroying all faith in our justice system, then you arent doing all you can do.

    They need to know what we are aware of, and what we expect.

    Liked by 1 person

    • sDee says:

      They know many of us are now aware of it. They even know of the detailed legal and situational awareness that Sundance has armed us with.

      They do not care. So, we should continue to plead with those who we allowed to control our lives, incomes, wealth, liberty and freedoms, to give it back to us? Why should they?

      Quite the life of power and wealth they enjoy – on us of course.


    • sDee’s comment has already appeared, saying part of what I was going to write. I will only add, try imagining writing to the RNC, demanding THEY do what you suggest, and more. Anyone have any idea how THAT would go over? We do not have a legitimate federal government, nor legitimate political parties…. Everybody has been expecting the deluded followers of a demented cult to fix their own cult…to fix themselves, while still inside the cult. They think they ARE legitimate, ergo properly (legally, morally) in control. The saner citizens of Rome were, I imagine, in much the same position we are, over THEIR leaders. All we can do is encourage those in government still showing some sanity, by their resistance to the blatantly criminal, treasonous acts, to do what we cannot: Press hard for true justice, accomplishable by severing the law from political and ideological influence.


      • dawg says:

        “All we can do is encourage those in government still showing some sanity, by their resistance to the blatantly criminal, treasonous acts, to do what we cannot: Press hard for true justice, accomplishable by severing the law from political and ideological influence”

        Exactly, thats all Im saying.


  40. sDee says:

    We find ourselves controlled by a corrupt government which has long passed the point of reforming itself. No one is coming to save us.

    Corrupt or not, their power is derived from us Citizens. We delegated our power to them and only we can reclaim it. Why should we foolishly continue to petition them for its return? Why should they return it? Why would they?

    It is not the power delegated them which sustains this usurpation – it is our failure to hold them accountable for the abuse of that power.


    • JonB3 says:

      Excellent point sDee … But how do we hold them accountable ? PT is trying, but it’s a big club, and we’re not in it! …And they protect one another, even when the corruption is blatant and obvious …

      I fear Barr is our hope … And my trust in his is hanging on a thread !


    • dawg says:

      “only we can reclaim it”

      “it is our failure to hold them accountable for the abuse of that power.”

      Im so sick of these vague comments coming from keyboard warriors.

      I am suggesting actual actions that people can take to effect an outcome.

      You apparently dont even have the courage to type in a comment board what exactly it is you are suggesting.

      Until you do, keep your criticisms of my call to action to yourself.


      • sDee says:

        No crticism of you. I speak from long and painful experience doing what you suggest at local, state and federal cabals. They will not reform themselves. False hope. Follow it – I hope you have enough time to find out for yourself.


    • Armchair Quarterback says:

      Truest words spoken since this whole mess has come to light! Succinct as well.


  41. Pegon Zellschmidt says:

    Maybe we misunderstood when Barr said it didn’t matter to him what people thought; he would just do “what’s right.” Maybe we’re the people.


  42. BigTalkers says:

    Excuse me, but how does DC US Atty Jessie Liu still have her job?

    And more to the point, WHY does she still have this job…?


    • BigTalkers says:

      Altho I’ll admit I was pleasantly surprised by the 9th circuit’s appeals court’s recent decision to limit tbe application of it’s activits jurists decisions to their own circuit.

      My own conclusion for this “precedent” being someone (likely either the SCOTUS or the Executive) must have advised them of the possibility of breaking up their fiefdom (long overdue), thereby severely restricting the 9th’s future reach and influence.


  43. Barry Sides says:

    Comey said McCabe was not authorized while Lisa Page said McCabe was authorized because of the position McCabe held.
    Is that the reason the DOJ may not prosecute?
    I would assume that the DOJ has already figured that out before they indicted.
    I would have thought the question would be about the reason (self serving) for leaking
    If the IG has released his report the political environment would be more favorable for a conviction.


  44. It’s also worth pointing out that McCabe got fired for many of the offenses that also got Comey fired. Both firings were “with cause.” Both firings involved – among other things – sending secret information to the Press and commenting on it. (James Comey to this day still hasn’t stopped doing that.) Both of them also lied … repeatedly.

    The FBI has been stuck with a lot of “bad apples” that are cut from the same cloth as old J. Edgar. But, every now and then, one of them gets sacked … yes, with cause.


  45. History Teaches says:

    There were three major themes (amongst others) to the 2016 Trump campaign.

    The economy


    Draining the swamp.

    Immigration and swamp draining always received the most enthusiastic responses during rallies and campaign speeches.

    The economy is enormously improved.

    Immigration is slowly and incrementally making progress.

    The swamp has remained substantially untouched.

    Much improvement elsewhere too, but the swamp is the most emotionally sensitive trigger. Fundamentally it isolates the issue of power.

    Presidential versus the combined forces of a hostile politicians and the upper hierarchy of the DOJ/FBI and judicial institutions. With the MSM serving as propagandists and conduits for these forces.

    What we have learned is that Presidential intentions and objectives alone cannot proceed directly to the ends desired. The pathways needed to navigate are controlled by those opposition forces, and have been meticulously clogged and twisted to dissipate any actions with real consequences.

    The President’s expertise is not in the obtuse tangle of lawfare tactics. He has depended on a team of advisors and experts for strategies and deciphering the esoterica of legal and constitutional rules.

    Any number of who may not have his interests as theirs. Or are as experienced and competent in the guerilla wars of the deep state.

    Being an outsider has disadvantages when it gets this deep and dirty. Very different from the routines of business deals, which often revolve around face to face, direct personal negotiations.

    The President invested so much rhetoric and attention on swamp draining that he can’t step back from it without admitting disappointment or defeat. But without very clear, public definitive results this could be damaging politically. Especially with supporters who had prioritized this objective in 2016.

    What happens before the election could very well shape the outcome in 2020. Ceding power to Barr puts enormous pressure on the AG, but the President has to stand back and hope for the best. If not, his campaign will need to revamp their themes.


    • OlderAndWiser says:

      Good analysis, History. The key is to drain the swamp – if we do, then all else falls into place, including immigration and the economy.
      One key aspect of draining the swamp is to revamp the judiciary – and in this, the President and Mitch have done as well a job as can be done. After all, the swamp relies on the judiciary to attack the President’s policies.
      Second key aspect has been to strip the mask off the supposedly “free and unbiased” press; he has successfully done so.
      Third key aspect is to revamp the Justice Department – this is where his first choice was poor; hopefully Barr will help in this endeavor. So far, his public signs have been favorable; though it appears (from the outside) that his handling of the FBI needs substantial improvement. I’m hoping he’s taking care of it quietly and will let us know when the time is right and clean house.
      Once the legal and PR stuff are taken care of, it will be easier for him to tame the swamp. You can’t drain it – even corporations have swamps; every company above 1,000 creates its own swamp.


  46. Judy says:

    Barr is deep deep! Another bullshit non prosecution coming our way. What is this 2, 3, 4??


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