During the congressional testimony of Robert Mueller, Representative Andy Biggs noted evidence of a phone call between Mueller and Rod Rosenstein on Wednesday May 10th, 2017, at 7:45am.
Listen carefully at the 2:26 point of the video.
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♦James Comey was fired at approximately 5:00pm EST on Tuesday May 9th, 2017. That means Rosenstein first contacted Mueller about the special counsel appointment less than 15 hours after James Comey was fired.
♦According to his own admissions (NBC and CBS), Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe immediately began a criminal ‘obstruction’ investigation the next day, Wednesday May 10th; and he immediately enlisted Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
♦The next day, Thursday May 11th, 2017, Andrew McCabe testifies to congress. With the Comey firing fresh in the headlines, Senator Marco Rubio asked McCabe: “has the dismissal of Mr. Comey in any way impeded, interrupted, stopped, or negatively impacted any of the work, any investigation, or any ongoing projects at the Federal Bureau of Investigation?”
McCabe responded: “So there has been no effort to impede our investigation to date. Quite simply put, sir, you cannot stop the men and women of the FBI from doing the right thing, protecting the American people and upholding the Constitution.”
Also on Thursday May 11th, 2017, The New York Times printed an article, based on information seemingly leaked by James Comey, about a dinner conversation between the President and the FBI Director. The “Loyalty” article. [link]
Despite claiming he never revealed his memo content until May 16th, in hindsight this New York Times article on May 11th is the first article that seems to be based on Comey leaking his memo content to the media.
♦That New York Times article drew this response on Friday May 12th from President Trump:
Again referencing McCabe’s own admissions, also on Friday May 12th McCabe met with DAG Rod Rosenstein to discuss the issues, referencing the criminal ‘obstruction’ case McCabe had opened just two days before. According to McCabe:
… “[Rosenstein] asked for my thoughts about whether we needed a special counsel to oversee the Russia case. I said I thought it would help the investigation’s credibility. Later that day, I went to see Rosenstein again. This is the gist of what I said: I feel strongly that the investigation would be best served by having a special counsel.” (link)
According to Andy Biggs questioning of Mueller, on this same day – Friday May 12th – evidence shows Robert Mueller met “in person” with Rod Rosenstein.
♦On Saturday May 13th, 2017, another meeting between Rod Rosenstein and Robert Mueller, this time with Jeff Sessions also involved. [Per Andy Biggs]
♦Sunday May 14th, TBD
♦After the weekend, Monday May 15th, McCabe states he and Rosenstein conferred again about the Special Counsel approach. McCabe: “I brought the matter up with him again after the weekend.”
♦On Tuesday May 16th, 2017, Rod Rosenstein takes Robert Mueller to the White House for a meeting in the oval office between President Trump, VP Pence, Robert Mueller and Rod Rosenstein. While they were meeting in the oval office, the following story was published by the New York Times (based on Comey memo leaks):
Also during the approximate time of this Oval Office meeting, Peter Strzok texts with Lisa Page about information relayed to him by Tashina Guahar (main justice) on behalf of Rod Rosenstein (who is at the White House).
Later that night, after the Oval Office meeting – According to the Mueller report, additional events on Tuesday May 16th, 2017:
Interesting that Tashina Gauhar was taking notes presumably involved in the 5/16/17 meeting between, Lisa Page, Rod Rosenstein, and Andrew McCabe.
This meeting at Main Justice appears to be happening in the evening (“later that night”) after the visit to the White House with Robert Mueller. This meeting appears to be Lisa Page, Rod Rosenstein and Andrew McCabe; along with Tashina Gauhar taking notes.
Why is the Tuesday May 16th, 2017, date of additional importance?
QUESTION:
Why didn’t anyone ever ask Tashina “Tash” Guahar about the “wear a wire” comments?
♦ Wednesday May 17th, 2017: The next day, May 17th, 2017, Rod Rosenstein and Andrew McCabe go to brief the congressional “Gang-of-Eight”: Paul Ryan, Nancy Pelosi, ¹Devin Nunes, Adam Schiff, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, Richard Burr and Mark Warner.
… […] “On the afternoon of May 17, Rosenstein and I sat at the end of a long conference table in a secure room in the basement of the Capitol. We were there to brief the so-called Gang of Eight—the majority and minority leaders of the House and Senate and the chairs and ranking members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees. Rosenstein had, I knew, made a decision to appoint a special counsel in the Russia case.”
[…] “After reminding the committee of how the investigation began, I told them of additional steps we had taken. Then Rod took over and announced that he had appointed a special counsel to pursue the Russia investigation, and that the special counsel was Robert Mueller.” (link)
Immediately following this May 17, 2017, Go8 briefing, Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein notified the public of the special counsel appointment.
According to President Trump’s Attorney John Dowd, the White House was stunned by the decision. [Link] Coincidentally, AG Jeff Sessions was in the oval office for unrelated business when White House counsel Don McGahn came in and informed the group. Jeff Sessions immediately offered his resignation, and Sessions’ chief-of-staff Jody Hunt went back to the Main Justice office to ask Rosenstein what the hell was going on.
This investigative ‘small group’ are the people inside Main Justice (DOJ) and FBI headquarters who redacted the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages; removed messages and communication antithetical to their goals; kept key documents and information away from congress; stalled any effort to expose the unlawful aspects of “SpyGate’ and the fraudulent foundation behind the Carter Page FISA application; and undermined any adverse discoveries in the leak investigations (James Wolfe) writ large.
This investigative small group didn’t change when Mueller arrived, they just retooled the focus of their effort based on new leadership and new objectives. Those who created the Trump-Russia collusion/conspiracy case of 2016, evolved into creating the Trump obstructing justice case of 2017, 2018 and 2019.
Everything Mueller and Rosenstein were doing in late 2017 and throughout 2018 was intended to drag-out the Russia conspiracy narrative as long as possible, even though there was no actual Trump-Russia investigation taking place.
It was always the “obstruction” investigation that could lead to the desired result by Mueller’s team of taking down President Trump through evidence that would help Pelosi and Nadler achieve impeachment . The “obstruction case” was the entirety of the case they were trying to make from May 2017 through to March 2019.
**Working on a more detailed timeline, more will follow.
Because none of the GOPe and the media let the issue surface, and when PDJT complained about Mueller’s conflicts, it got leaked through the media as “ordering Mueller be fired”!
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Sundance is from God himself. I’m so sick of these traitors walking free and I have damn near given up on justice. Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865. The co-conspirators were hanged on July 7, 1865. Three months!!! We’re going on 3 YEARS of BS!!! The uniparty will do whatever they can to screw Trump and screw us so long as their gravy train keeps them fat and rich at our expense. Yellow vests, anyone?
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I am with you on that one Hoosier. I too am so sick and tired of nobody being held to account for treason. It really is just that simple. I have come to the conclusion that when all is said and done, the perps that are at the top of the food chain will not adequately be held to account. I frankly want to see SEVERE consequences to those who planned this scheme. I have been saying for a couple years now that there is no justice in America as long as Obama and Clinton walk free.
The only way to prevent this from happening to another POTUS or candidate for POTUS, is to punish those who are guilty to the extreme in such a way that it will terrify anybody who would even consider such treasonous acts. In other words, I want BLOOD!
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I want blood too, alonzo1956!
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I think you’re likely to get a Comey but I doubt it will go much higher than that. Just the way it works I guess. I’ll take a Comey or McCabe though.
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If it only gets a Comey or McCabe, that will just re-affirm my notion that there is no justice in America, as long as Obama and Clinton walk free. If we do not have equal justice under the law, we will end up in a death spiral for America IMO. It may take a hundred years for us to become a Banana Republic, however that could easily be the outcome and I sorely do not want to see that happen.
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May 9th 2017 Rod Rosenstein’s letter to AG Sessions condemning Comey for abrogating the power of the AG to himself in the Hillary email investigation: “Although the President has the power to remove an FBI director, the decision should not be taken lightly. I agree with the nearly unanimous opinions of former Department officials. The way the Director handled the conclusion of the email investigation was wrong. As a result, the FBI is unlikely to regain public and congressional trust until it has a Director who understands the gravity of the mistakes and pledges never to repeat them. Having refused to admit his errors, the Director cannot be expected to implement the necessary corrective actions.”
Trump would have been better saying that due to Comey’s misconduct and bringing dis-reputation to the FBI, he is terminated and we need to restore confidence in the DOJ and FBI.
Regardless, it is clear that Rosenstein had ambivalent feelings: “should not be taken lightly.” It’s been reported that Rosenstein felt he was scape-goated as the one who “recommended” Comey’s firing (which was the clear implication of his criticism, probably after the fact as he got institutional push back (let’s see those communications).
So with in 14 hrs of Comey’s firing (by the way, a normal human response would be for Comey to call Rod and say “Whats up? Why? Is there another way to rectify this?” We are, by silence, led to believe that no communication occurred! So embarrassed, or chastened, and seeing his career”dying” before him, calls Mueller to ask for his thoughts. At the same time that morning, McCabe by his own testimony, opens a obstruction of justice probe. But can a FBI Director do that with out DOJ agreeing to it? I doubt it!
So it was with in 24 hours that a conspiracy was hatched. But there could not have been a obstruction because McCabe, caught off guard by Rubio on the 11th, said no obstruction had taken place. So, immediately, they needed to come up with a reason. Que the Comey leak to the Times on the 11th regarding “Loyalty Oath” and later a remembrance regarding Gen Flynn “Can’t you let this go.” Thus, retro actively giving cause to McCabes impetuous opening up of obstruction on the 10th.
Rod then meets with Mueller in person on 12th, and with Mueller, McCabe and SESSIONS on the 13th. How could Sessions participate in this since he was recused? Ignoring that, how could Sessions be surprised about Mueller’s appointment on the 17th! (Was he part of the insurance policy?).
McCabe would have us believe no communications occurred with Rod or anyone over that critical week end of the 14-15th. BS. BS. And more BS. The phones were likely burning up that week end (secure phones, personal ones, texts, or emails, or a meeting in the park??). The infamous meeting with Trump occurred on the evening of the 16th. Then the 17th Mueller appointment. Smells to high heavens!!!!!!
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The whole thing was a set-up.
There was no Russian Collusion. There was no evidence that Trump had done anything which constituted grounds for impeachment. So, knowing that Trump wanted to fire Comey, whom he knew to be lying to him, the deep state conspiracy decided to get Trump to fire Comey and call it obstruction of justice. And, do not think for a single instant that Comey was not in on it. So, Comey steps up to take one for the team, as he did in Servergate. Rosenstein drafts the justification for firing Comey. McCabe “notifies” Rosenstein that he has opened an obstruction investigation against Trump. Now, being the person who wrote the justification for Comey’s it would be odd if he did not sim[ply tell McCabe the firing was justified and not an act of obstruction. But, he actually entertains this bogus investigation. The decision to move it to a Special Prosecutor was to protect it. If it has stayed within the FBI, there would have been many people who could gain information on the bogus nature of the and, theoretically, the obstruction investigation would remain with the purview of Sessions, who wanted no part of it. With an SC, answerable only to Rosenstein, the bogus investigation could continue. The various leaks associated with the new obstruction narrative were only to “flesh it out” and give it an illusion of solidity.
So far every single person, within the federal bureaucracy and some Congressmen, who has been in any way connected to any investigation of Trump has proven to be in a conspiracy to harm the sitting President of the United States in an effort to remove him from office, illegally.
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“There was no evidence that Trump had done anything which constituted grounds for impeachment.”
Evidence? We don need no steenking evidence!
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Well I won’t argue about your first point lol but there’s certainly a lot of moving parts. Strange about Jeff Sessions; it’s hard to believe he was part of the swamp as he stayed with Trump through think and thin in 2016. He could have buried him early and swayed the vote to Cruz I’m certain of it. He could have torpedoed him again after the Billy Bush tape…but he didn’t. Idk maybe Sessions is one of those go along to get along types. Many Republicans are as we well know. He is one of the most confusing characters in this saga. I guess it’s Occams Razor and as Trump stated he’s simply a letdown. Here’s to hoping Barr is much better I have high hopes he will be.
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I’m tired of “cooler heads” warning us away from”political prosecutions,” as off prosecuting the traitors behind a failed coup is uncouth. Did they come mmit treason? Deny people their civil rights? Abuse power? Break the same laws as people such as Patreus and Deutsch? Then let’s prosecute and make some examples of people! Enough of this political “it’s enough to get them fired” BS! This cannot be avoided in the future without REAL CONSEQUENCES!
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Gang of Eight is involved, I always said 8itch McConnell in head NeverTrumper in Senate.
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The fact that these people walk free with 7 figure book deals, corporate board pretend jobs, and cushy government pensions when a nation with any semblance of justice would be scheduling hangings tells you all you need to know about the state of the banana republic we have.
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The Department of Justice has 113,114 employees we pay for with a budget of 29.9 billion (FY2019) all working diligently to insure there is “equal justice under the law and that “no one is above the law”.
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That wasn’t a book deal. It was a way to launder a pay off.
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President Trump nominated Rosenstain in the first place. And he let him stay on until a few months ago. Why?
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He’d have been removed from office if he had fired him, that’s why.
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Correct. The removal of Rosenstein was one of the many trip wires in the Mueller obstruction “set up”.
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I don’t know the answer – it’s baffled me too — but I have learned sometimes things aren’t as they appear. Who knows – maybe Rosenstein will “fry” with the reports from Barr/Durham/Horowitz. I do believe Rosenstein is ears-deep in the coup that was attempted and almost succeeded. He is as dirty or dirties than Mueller, Comey or some of the others. It was he – who initiated the special counsel which hamstrung Trump’s first three years and is still burning. He is the worst of the worst seconded only by Sessions!
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I wonder if we will ever find out what was going on in Session’s mind?
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@ Bill Hollinger:
Easy, The winds was whistling between his ears.
😎
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oops..” wind”
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I wondered if anyone has tried to interview him. Very curious.
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At this point – I don’t want to know any more about Sessions than I already do – it’s bad enough as it stands.
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I agree, Marsha. We have agencies being weaponized and used against us and the senate is at a level of corruption I’ve never seen before. It’s hard to believe. I hope we have laws in place to deal with it. God help us.
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The Enemy is not at the gate – it is within.
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How was Sessions worse than Wray, McCabe or Mueller? (Just to name a few)
Maybe he was inept to an extent, but Whittaker and Barr haven’t been any better. Neither has Pompeo cleaned up the State Department.
And Jeff Sessions was the bulwark on Immigration. THE most important issue.
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Sessions betrayed his boss when he did not tell Trump he was recusing himself from any Russian/Hillary issues — those were the very issues that needed addressing. He opened the door to all He!! that walked in. He gets first place. He may have done something on immigration but apparently not lasting- we have a total out of control border.
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I don’t know the answer – it’s baffled me too — but I have learned sometimes things aren’t as they appear. Who knows – maybe Rosenstein will “fry” with the reports from Barr/Durham/Horowitz. I do believe Rosenstein is ears-deep in the coup that was attempted and almost succeeded. He is as dirty or dirties than Mueller, Comey or some of the others. It was he – who initiated the special counsel which hamstrung Trump’s first three years and is still burning. He is the worst of the worst seconded only by Sessions!
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He was nominated at the recommendation of Sessions. He let him stay because the Senate Republicans had way too much leverage due to their ability to block a replacement or even use that firing to justify impeachment. Senate Republicans greatly enjoyed using the Russian investigation as leverage over President Trump. The proof is that Burr still has an open investigation into Russian interference even now. Why else did they go along with this farce from the beginning?
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Sundance: As commander in Chief, can’t Trump call for a military tribunal? Seems like when Congress, particularly the Senate, is blocking the people Trump wants in various positions, isn’t Congress conspiring to keep the President from exercising his Constitutional duties?
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I believe that would fall under the jurisdiction of the SCOTUS as in Marbury vs. Madison. I’m not sure what military tribunal’s role would be in these kind of matters, only thinking logically the founders had very little dealings with the military as a law-enforcement action, except unless you are wondering about a coup. Then maybe there is something a president can do to force a rogue element in the government under subjection.
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Burr is a useless RINO
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FITTON:HUGE: Comey Caught With Trump FBI Files In His House. Judicial Watch lawsuit gets the goods…
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/fittonhuge-comey-caught-with-trump-fbi-files-in-his-house-judicial-watch-lawsuit-gets-the-goods/
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Tom Fitton might end up being embarrassed by that particular Weekly Update. I watched it. He was not well-prepared.
As I posted on the Devin Nunes thread at 2:56 PM today, that visit by the two FBI agents was not a raid. The agents were taking classified documents to Comey for his review and he volunteered that they did not have a complete set. It is pretty apparent that the visit was for the purpose of prepping Comey for his testimony before the SSCI scheduled for the next day.
When one of the other members of the Small Group (Strzok?), who had already been fired and his security clearance taken away, needed to prep for congressional testimony, his clearance was temporarily reinstated so the he could review classified information ahead of that hearing.
There is better context on the other thread. Ordering my thoughts made me feel better.
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What I heard was Comey had material in his home that he turned over during the FBI raid/interview (“memos, FBI files, of his meeting with Trump, which he should never have had in his home, some were classified…”)
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Here’s my long dissertation.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/08/02/devin-nunes-discusses-ig-criminal-referral-and-doj-position-on-james-comey/comment-page-2/#comment-7245166
SD posted the documents that Judicial Watch obtained and Tom Fitton talked about. Skip to page 5.
Tom Fitton jumped the shark a bit on this one. He needs to have a talk with whichever staffer briefed him.
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Whoa. I thought I was posting only the link, not the document. I apologize.
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What’s timeline from this timeline is that later the same day he appoint Mueller, Rosenstein with the “Gang of Eight”, the senior leadership of both parties. And clearly he received a promise of support from Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell as well as from the Democrats.
If the Republicans in Congress had objected to the conspirators actions and stood behind Trump this whole coup attempt would have been nipped in the bud.
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“Missing from this timeline”, I mean
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I’ve been following this pretty closely for years. Today is the first I have heard about the May 13th meeting between Rosenstein, Mueller, and Sessions concerning a special counsel. With Sessions already recused, he cannot sit in on a meeting for a SC, yet he does. I would think that the recusal would cover an Obstruction case also, since there would be a lot of overlap. And then he coincidentally is in a meeting with Trump when the SC news is announced? Coincidence my ass! He is every bit as guilty as the rest of them. Up until now, I just thought he was incompetent.
Second. How would Andy Biggs know about the phone call that Rosenstein made to Mueller May 10th? And even more importantly, how would he know the content of that phone call? Do we know how he got that information? Did it come from Rosenstein? If so, I missed that also. When was that revealed? If it didn’t come from Rosenstein, where did the information come from?
If all of this is old news, then I need some advice. Should I start washing down my oxycodone with scotch or wine? And should I double or triple the dosage?
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1) Meeting with Sessions likely involved FBI Director replacement. (Not Special Counsel Conversation)
2) No idea how Biggs knows the dates and times of the calls. Yes, it is new information.
Note: From the timeline it looks like Comey leaked on May 11th to get the Special Counsel; but it didn’t initially work…. So he leaked again on May 16th (while all the inside small group convos were going on), and was successful.
Tashina, was obviously working on behalf of the “small group” endeavors. She still works in the DOJ.
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The specific time of the phone call indicates that RR’s phone call records were obtained, like the Strzok-Page texts, by the OIG. RR could be considered “under investigation”.
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If Rosenstein called from his office, if they hace the telephone logs, they will know at what time the call was made, and to whom it was made. But this will not inform upon the contents of the call, other than to a limited extent by implication.
This new assertion by Biggs is interesting and something that requires follow up.
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Heck, next we will find out she is Barr’s assistant.
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Exactly.
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and from the look on Muellers face when Biggs starts the question, Mueller is surprised that Biggs knows this.
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At this point Iam of the opinion that 1) no one will ever be held accountable for what they have done to PDT and 2) PDT has been told to go along to get along else his entire family will be taken down when he leaves office. There really isn’t any other explanation for all of the craziness. The swamp runs deep and the club is big and he is being blocked in every direction including from most of the GOP. For our country to allow this to happen we are doomed. It all.will fall on Bondo Barr’s shoulders and he couldn’t give 2 hoots. It’s a travesty!
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If PT did agree to back down then hid whole agenda will be destroyed….and why in the hell would he accept the word they would drop it from a bunch of lying scum. they are not tustworthy. They will go after him anyway.
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President Trump is a lot of things……..one of which is not a “go along to get along” guy.
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All of this coming out is good news. The extreme level of corruption is being exposed over time so people can absorb it. It was a coup, we all know for sure now. Denial of that truth will not change it as a fact. So the only question that remains is whether justice will be served. That’s what we all are waiting and wanting to see. If that happens, faith in our nation and the current leadership will be restored. If it doesn’t happen, we know for sure it never will happen without another revolution. We will know that answer relatively soon.
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Won’t see any of this in MSM. If a coup takes place, and the MSM don’t report it, did it ever really happen?/sarc
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If Justice does not Flow over this Corrupt DC Swamp, then Trump will not win re-election, Why bother anymore????
Let the democRats win, they will act like the Tyrants they are initiating the Watering of Mr Jefferson’s Tree.
Enough is Enough, at some point even the dog catcher gets outdated!!!!!
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Don’t let the dims win! Action MUST be taken just prior to the 2020 election. PT must remain in place to hold the country together during a very turbulent and trying time. Justice must prevail and the deep state must get put down.
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But when you think about it, what kind of condition was Mueller in to consider such a thing? They probably got to him because they knew in his current state he was malleable, he wouldn’t ask a lot of questions, and would be an effective puppet for the Coup Plotters.
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So Rosenstein triggered the insurance policy by recommending Comey’s firing and then right after installing Muller. Fox watching the henhouse.
Rosenstein had to have known when he made the recommendation to fire Comey that there would be an outcome. So who did Rosenstein meet with prior to writing his fire Comey letter?
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The President ASKED Rosenstein and one other (McCabe?) to write the letters recommending firing Comey. I think both letters were quoted, either here or maybe NYT. I recall reading them.
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Sundance,
just a heads-up:
Civil Case Ruling destroys the basis of the Russian Collusion Hoax– while standing up for protections under the First Amendment.
| Judge dismisses DNC lawsuit [with Prejudice] US federal court exposes Democratic Party conspiracy against Assange and WikiLeaks |
Judge on allegation that Wikileaks conspired with Russia to steal & distribute DNC emails… “entirely divorced from the facts.”
See Here:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/07/31/assa-j31.html
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Oh. My. Goodness. The avowed in-your-face socialists pulled that story together very darned well. Sometimes people who dislike “The Man” and “Imperialists” have good points and are able to present them well. Indymedia used to have some good photos and articles too.
TY for posting that. The Bennett family is one more example of the media’s influence web.
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Wow. You can’t find that much detailed information about the case anywhere else. I know – I tried. Seems the MSM wants that buried, evidenced by the NYT’s scant treatment of it.
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I do HOPE what this means of ANY case going forward by the US Government by everyone on this board? OMG!!!
CM-TX…that is a TACTICAL NUKE DROPPED SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF ANY GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY CASE AGAINST ASSANGE!!!
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Also a tactical nuke dropped smack dab in the middle of Russiagate.
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CM-TX, here is the link to the ruling in case you might to share it. (I hope you do.) Sundance might want it to.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6225696-DNC-Trump-7-30-19.html
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NYT reports there were two Rosenstein-McCabe meetings on May 16:
“At least two meetings took place on May 16 involving both Mr. McCabe and Mr. Rosenstein, the people familiar with the events of the day said. Mr. Rosenstein brought up the 25th Amendment during the first meeting of Justice Department officials, they said. A memo about the second meeting written by one participant, Lisa Page, a lawyer who worked for Mr. McCabe at the time, did not mention the topic.”
I suspect Mueller was in one of them, either before or after the meeting with PDJT.
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If accurate (and I suspect it is), the May 16, 2017, “wear a wire” meeting was before Rosenstein took Mueller to the White house (oval office w/ potus). That’s the Lisa Page memo notes in the Mueller report. [Mueller then leaves his cell phone at the White House.]
Then Strzok is texting Page from “tash” info later in the day.
After the White House meeting 5/16/17 – Rosenstein, McCabe, Page and Tashina are then at Main Justice for the second meeting, likely a debriefing of the White House visit. That’s when “tash” wrote notes of the meeting that Mueller references in his report.
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When I was watching Mueller’s live testimony the other week, I really thought Rep. Biggs was going to ask Mueller about the cellphone left at the White House. I wonder why no one asked? Mueller would probably have declined to answer since it was not within “the four corners” of his report. Or, he could have simply answered “In my condition, I often forget things.”
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I still want to know if Trump was led to believe he was interviewing Mueller for FBI Dir. by Rosey and Mueller was told a different purpose. There is more to the story of May 16. I can’t help but think Mueller was in one of those 2 mtgs with Rosey and McCabe, Wonder if anyone has asked this question
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Tashina Gauhar recommended Sessions recuse from this investigation
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She also suggested to RR that his Comey memo not recommend firing the FBI director
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And, so it follows that text messae between the corrupt lovers Strzok and Page occurred on June 7, 2017 –
5:05 pm Peter Strzok text: Unless you’ve got something going, I would. We’re starting obstruction team brief but just come.
“In less than a month after the Mueller Special Counsel was created, the Mueller gang was already working on their obstruction efforts against the President.”
5:08 pm Peter Strzok text: Don’t then. I’m just saying, come over here and stick your head in. I’ve gotten more the past couple of days after hours talking with Aaron [Zebley] and [redacted] then all day the past week and a half. Was not suggesting it for any particular reason, just a dive in sort of thing. If you have work to do, I’d say do it.
Note: Mueller’s ‘Right Hand Man’ Represented Hillary Clinton IT Staffer Who Installed Her Illegal Server. Zebley, a former WilmerHale partner who defended Cooper in 2015.
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[redacted] must be Herr Weissmann. We know about Zebley’s role on the Weissmann/Mueller team. [redacted] must be a player a little higher up.
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I agree, I would like to have a list of all attending?
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Yeah, obstruction was the “criminal” case that allowed for a special counsel appointment. They are still trying to hide it tho
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2nd day in a row Rosenstein merged from his bunker to lecture us. He must feel pretty d@mn safe now that Barr has given Comey a pass..
My response:
Replying to
@RodRosenstein
Why don’t you get back under that rock you slithered beneath after forcing the country through three+ years of a nightmarish coup, orchestrated by you, McCabe, Comey, etc., to overthrow our President!
You said Not. One. Word in support of President Trump.
You pompous POS
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What do coupsters have in common? Virtue signaling. See John Brennan and James Comey.
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Thats true, at least in this case.
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The more I see this The more I am sure it was all show and no go. They are trying to run out the clock till 2020 when the can try and steel the election. They did it in 2008 & 2012 they wont give up they never do. We do and that is a problem.Stay strong never forget.
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Statue of limitation on Treason? I think not
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That’s my concern as well.
Pray for truth and for Trump to win relection
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Rosenstein signed the final FISA Renewal – sometime around June 29, 2017. What other events surround the key events, identified by Sundance above?
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A month early and McCabe is still in charge. I figure they renewed before a Comey replacement was in place
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There is no amount of wine to make this tolerable anymore.
I so fear none of these traitors will ever meet justice.
God Bless President Donald Trump. I pray every night for his and his families safety.
Sundance, thank you for your perseverance and stick to it-ness. You stay safe too.
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Think of your liver, dear. Better to face it sober anyway.
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I find it hard to believe Barr, who had nothing to do with Spygate and any illegal surveillance, would volunteer to become the fixer and go down in history with his name at the top America’s largest scandal, even if he was idolized by the Left for doing so. He and his family would never be able to walk freely in public again with the animus Trump supporters would have towards him. Whether the DOJ prosecutes many of the targets or not they are and will continue to be sued in civil court for years to come with all that evidence, mountains of evidence, enough for a whole range of mountains. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. I believe Trump knows what he’s doing after having underestimated the DS and he is nobody’s fool. I believe Barr is the real deal.
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“He and his family would never be able to walk freely in public again with the animus Trump supporters would have towards him.”
The animus of the left towards Barr for obtaining justice and, thereby, helping Trump would be much greater and more threatening.
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Yep, just imagine the outrage. To think….Obama was more corrupt than Nixon??? TDS is a powerful influence. The “resistance” will go bonkers.
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There will be scalps… else the next time I am on Jury Duty – I will hang every jury I am on.
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Yep it was obstruction hoax the whole time? They tried to goad PDT to fire Mueller? Barr has to know this but did nothing but shut it down. Cover up in progress to hide the coup attempt – Barr has to be helping cover up.
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EXCLUSIVE: Rep. Nunes was Right! In Their First Month Mueller Gang Was Already Working on Obstruction Trap!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/exclusive-rep-nunes-was-right-in-their-first-month-mueller-gang-was-already-working-on-obstruction-trap/
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In less than a month after the Mueller Special Counsel was created, the Mueller gang was already working on their obstruction efforts against the President.
The following texts between the corrupt lovers Strzok and Page occurred on June 7, 2017 –
5:05 pm Peter Strzok text: Unless you’ve got something going, I would. We’re starting obstruction team brief but just come. Sit in on whatever comes next.
5:06 pm Lisa Page text: I mean, I’ve got lots of work to do. But okay. Who is in it?
5:08 pm Peter Strzok text: Don’t then. I’m just saying, come over here and stick your head in. I’ve gotten more the past couple of days after hours talking with Aaron [Zebley] and [redacted] then all day the past week and a half. Was not suggesting it for any particular reason, just a dive in sort of thing. If you have work to do, I’d say do it.
7:06 pm Lisa Page text: I left. F it. There’s no amount of time I can spend and finish everything. Whatevs.
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The plan was hatched earlier than that. In November 2016 Page was texting about “All the king’s men”. They were trying to recreate Watergate. Maintain the pretense of a criminal investigation to try to provoke a reaction from President Trump. From their perspective it seemed pretty foolproof. A guy who is known for saying “your fired” would be expected to eventually do just that.
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Barr was in the CIA in 1972. Weird, huh?
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*The pronouns “they”, “their” and “them” in this post are meant to reference the string-pullers.
So “The King’s Men” scheme was the real “insurance policy”. The special counsel was just the pretense under which they operated, I see your reference as a crucial part of the entire construct. They’ve had no problem in past after Watergate because their opponents fell victim to one of the first three phases of action: 1-Dig up dirt and expose via media mouthpiece/forced resignation through blackmail material procured under shady circumstances. 2-Put on the “full court” press. Sick the Urinalists on family, friends and acquaintances alike, until anything sticks. Most won’t last under that microscope for long. 3-The “Bad Thing”. Not that hard to pull off considering the resources at their disposal. Take for instance the Hitlery “unfortunate things happen to people who know things about me” list. 68! For realz? For the record: while drastic and somewhat heavy-handed, phase three has the last say in the matter. Period.
So you ask yourself, “Why would there even be a need for phase 4?”.
In some cases, and this one in particular, there can be no martyrdom. Having played out these scenarios for going on at least one-hundred years(in America alone and likely well pre-dated our version), they know the score quite well. They do not want what would result from phase four. They are not without something to lose. Burning it all to the ground does not suit their needs, although I’m sure it would satisfy their wishes.
Phase four is therefore, reserved for only the most stubborn of thorns. It consists of using hearsay an innuendo to create a buzz in fake news circles leading to a need to investigate…anything. Begin the witch-hunt and wait for your caged prey to lash out in righteous indignation, then use that reaction as the means to your end. This way, regardless of how flimsy or flippant the original “offense”, all the focus is placed on the reaction/coverup/obstruction that follows.
Gotta give it to these clowns. They ain’t bad at the evil they do.
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*They do not want what would result from phase three.
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Has anyone to seen or heard of anything declassified or released by Barr?
Note: I can’t help but think that a one eyed drunk monkey with no law degree could prosecute the small group given the amount of evidence already unearth by Sundance alone. So what is the hold up Barr?
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I’m not a lawyer but it is obvious that a good prosecutor doesn’t stop investigating having compiled only the bare minimum of evidence when a winning case is made with overwhelming evidence. Remember, Barr’s and Durham have only been at it 3-4 months max. That’s not a lot considering what they have to look in to.can you imagine the sheer complexity of this case. Imagine trying to explain it to a jury.
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I don’t think it’s just that simple since Barr and Durham don’t work at the level of granularity presented in the news.
For example:
Barr could be overwhelmed, if it were not for having thousands of prosecutors working for him. Durham could be overwhelmed, if he were not the chief investigator and had access to the FBI staff.
You would expect that these people are doing allot of allocation now. On things like the following.
How many investigators does Durham need to confirm the evidence on this site?
How many grand juries will Barr need to handle all of the evidence confirmed?
How many lawyers will Barr need to handle all of the prosecutions for the small group?
So do I expect allot out of them, you bet but given the importance of a coup – shouldn’t I.
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True, but there are limitations yet. I honestly doubt they have unlimited staff as you imply. This is one massive case if there ever was one. Barr could surely throw the people some bones with upfront prosecutions, but would that mean he’s about to take down the coup plotters/participants? No. That, too, could be a strategy if he were dirty. If Barr fails us at least we still have Trump for the time being and we know he will fight like hell for the sake of the country and his own family.
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Lets see if I can remember how it goes. When eating an elephant take one bite at a time. The coup plotters are much larger than the small group and so it makes sense to start with them. Sadly, with each passing day the potential for Barr to be seen as corrupt increases. Our lie detector is the lack of positive action after all of these years.
Managers point of view: As for the issue of staff in order to carry out his job is not an acceptable excuse. If Barr does not have enough people, then pick up the phone an call the human resources manager.
Sorry if I have to be hard, but running a large organization takes skills.
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Constant negativity. Hmmmm. Anyone would think………but no.
I trust Sundance. I trust Ristvan. I trust Nunes.
You……………………? Not so much, thanks.
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Hey IPT – at the least, the FBI agents that illegally accepted gifts could be fired and if they leaked to the media and it was illegal – arrest them. They’re at the bottom of the barrel and their prosecution/firing shouldn’t affect any on going investigation. Start someplace. Give us Branch Hangers something to cling to besides the bark.
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A little of topic but I had to weigh in with this, Barr’s taking of the high road against Comey is only a display of weakness. I know, I know, Barr is trying to reset the Justice department from the lawfare approach of political prosecutions and scorched earth prosecutions to a morality based use of the prosecutorial power. Noble, but sends the wrong message AT THIS TIME. WE CAN RETURN TO THIS ONCE JUSTICE IS SERVED. Barr needs to at this point bring and force each and every potential law violation to add as many charges as possible, like Weismann would do, with 100 years of downside to any defendant who wants to go to trial like Comey. Probable or unprovable, it really doesn’t matter. The point is to drain the opposition of all funds and make them sell their houses and scare the shit out of them so that some flip. The time of the conservatives loosing gracefully and fighting by the Marcus of Queensberry rules of honor need to be discarded and anyone who doesn’t see this, Barr, is going to loosse. We are beyond being honorable at this point. We need the DOJ to lawfare the f%ck out of these treasonous bastards with no mercy. ONCE DONE, THEN WE CAN RETURN TO PLAYING NICE AND FAIR. This is a fight for the future soul of this country and we either rise to the occasion and exploit the gray areas to our ultimate advantage or we loose. What are we gonna do, let it all get flushed and have this done to us again, or exterminate, scorch earth legally and snuff this shit out now. IF WE DONT, THE COUNTRY IS LOST!
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I’ll second that motion and move to vote with the Shyster.
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Babylon the Great, the Mother of all Harlots
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Respectfully disagree. That sounds too much like the end justifies the means. If we knew Barr was working to bring down the perps, we would give him the time and resources to do it. Since we don’t, instead we want someone run through in the public square yesterday. Since no perp’s head is already on a pike the thirst for blood is palpable and everyone is at a boiling point. That leads to bad things. In the meantime the coup has been stopped. We are back to the days before the coup when DC was just normally corrupt to the core. We may be past the point of no return, but we will definitely pass that point if Barr uses the same tactics as the those practicing the black arts of deception. There’s more than one way to put their balls in a vice without actually using a vice. If you want Barr to give you a sign of his loyalty to rule of law you’ll just have to wait. This thing is proceeding apace by Justice standards when you write off the 2 years that Mueller shut us all down.
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Simply put I trust Trump. i trust our military intelligence and I trust the plan. Period.
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Great work once again SD! Its obvious now that rosie got the coup engaged within a week of his letter of recommendation to fire comey. The plan all along.
The question remains is: who is/are pulling rosies puppet strings? Why am I thinking that aside from team obama, ol’ mcconnell and even sessions were involved? Maybe Ryan??? Big donors? Ill try and stay out of the weeds.
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I still think that Rosenstein was acting out of fear alone. McCabe was trying to push the Obstruction case and wanted to oversee it himself as Temp FBI Director. He did not want MCcabe in charge of it since it would be totally biased because he friend Comey was fired. So he panicked and got Mueller to take it away from McCabe. Rosey did not want to run the investigation either because he was weak and a RINO.
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Rosenstein is a crook also as he allowed this injustice to continue for 2 years knowing nothing was there about collusion. That is a crook period.
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Those who write history are specially blessed with “hind sight” bias. That’s why when you read stories like “the Diary of Anne Frank” they are so powerful. She wrote about the horrors of Nazi occupation in Amsterdam as it happened with absolutely no idea how anything would turn out. Likewise, we are all looking back on the corrupt events of 2016-18, with much greater clarity than almost anyone, even those inside the FBI and DoJ. Some of the coup / sedition players were quite obviously corrupt and in the collusion/corruption activities from the start. Others in the FBI and DoJ and public writ. large, were ignorant of what a handful of dirty cops were doing. The media was absolutely relentless in pushing the collusion hoax which had an impact as well. Key point, figuring out just whom was part of the sedition coup and who was was supporting it out of ignorance, it tough government work. I think it will take some time to sort out. When I get discouraged I often recall just how very much worse and corrupt it would be had Hillary won and importantly, we would be completely in the dark about this seditious threat to the nation we love.
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Louis Gohmert June 1, 2018
“Another thing that needs to be done is Rosenstein absolutely has to be fired. He has an assistant, Tashina Gauhar, who has been working with others, including some at the White House, to undermine Trump, to undermine Jeff Sessions. The President did a great thing when he fired H. R. McMaster. He was kind of the brain of this group of Deep State folks working at the White House and working in intelligence and doj and Homeland Security. Though he’s gone, a number of these people are still there. But Rosenstein’s got to be gone.”
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June 7, 2017…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/06/07/nsa-odni-fbi-and-doj-tell-congress-no-investigation-interference-by-president-trump/
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Wait.
So Sessions met with Mueller before Mueller was appointed, ..,.yet acted surprised while with POTUS when he was told about Mueller being appointed?
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Mar 10, 2017 · Trump Abruptly Orders 46 Obama-Era Prosecutors to Resign
Two United States attorneys survived the firings: Dana Boente and Rod Rosenstein
Boente, the top prosecutor for the Eastern District of Virginia, who is serving as acting deputy attorney general
(January 31, 2017 · after firing of Sally Yates, Boente served as acting attorney general)
(February 8, 2017 · Jeff Sessions confirmed by the Senate as AG, Boente becomes acting deputy attorney general)
(Mar 02, 2017 · Sessions Recuses Himself From Russia Inquiry)
Rosenstein, the top prosecutor in Baltimore,
(February 1, 2017 · Rosenstein nominated to be deputy attorney general)
(April 25, 2017 · Rosenstein was confirmed by the Senate as AAG)
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Something interesting about Mueller’s response to Biggs: he talks about “developing a criminal case” and refers to a “defendant”. He’s talking in general terms, but with specific reference to President Trump, the subject of the question. To be a defendant, surely, you have to have been formally accused of something, or at least to have had some kind of case initiated against you. What did Mueller think he was doing?
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Just a note….Sometimes I do leave a rather Pollyanna-type comment. However, no rainbows and unicorns. I am well-versed in the matters of the day. I believe in the ultimate. God wins.
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I guess I don’t like to argue much. Maybe I’m on the wrong platform. 😕
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As DAG, Rod Rosenstein obviously approved of opening a counterintelligence/obstruction investigation of President Trump on May 10, 2017.
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I’m frankly very disappointed to learn that Mr. Rosenstein tried to stab his boss in the back after writing what I still consider to be a very compelling memo which outlined why “Comey needed to go” (and, why he shouldn’t be listened-to today …). I had assumed he was made of better stuff.
The challenges facing Messrs. Barr, Durham, Horowitz and Company are far, far bigger and badder than I ever wanted to believe.
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Reading through the special counsel’s report on the analysis of the obstructive act of firing Comey. James Baker is not mentioned at all, as a matter of fact he is not referenced in the whole Mueller report.
McCabe: Trump’s ‘own words’ prompted probe
FEBRUARY 17, 2019, BY CNN WIRE
https://wtvr.com/2019/02/17/mccabe-trumps-own-words-prompted-probe/
-snip-
McCabe’s description of concerns closely track that of former FBI general counsel James Baker, who told congressional investigators last year that FBI officials were contemplating, with regard to Russia, whether Trump was “acting at the behest of and somehow following directions, somehow executing their will.”
“That was one extreme. The other extreme is that the President is completely innocent, and we discussed that too,” Baker told House investigators last year. “There’s a range of things this could possibly be. We need to investigate, because we don’t know whether, you know, the worst-case scenario is possibly true or the President is totally innocent and we need to get this thing over with — and so he can move forward with his agenda.”
-snip-
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James Baker’s FBI redemption tour
Baker, a key adviser to FBI head James Comey, left the bureau one year ago
CELIA WEXLER
MAY 27, 2019
https://www.salon.com/2019/05/27/james-bakers-fbi-redemption-tour_partner/
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When the FBI began an obstruction investigation after Comey was fired, they did not take the step unilaterally, Baker said. “We were acting under the supervision of” Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who, Baker noted, was effectively the “acting attorney general” for the Russian probe .
“He was aware of what we were doing. And we all very quickly … went up to the Hill and made sure that the Congress of the United States, the leadership of the Congress of the United States, was also aware of what we were doing.”
-snip-
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Other than the crimes committed against private persons, PapaD, Manafort, maybe Page, etc,, the heart of the criminal “coup” activity occurs within all three branches of government – administrative agencies under the Executive branch, FISA decisions under the Judicial branch and investigative committees under the Congressional branch – and was intended to target the Executive branch of government.
I see no reason why the magnitude of this case would not necessarily REQUIRE original jurisdiction to be heard, from beginning to end, by the Supreme Court of the United States. Any lower court activity will get there anyway.
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When a vast seditious conspiracy involves all branches of government, what is a Presidents option — except to use his powers under the constitution as the Commander-in-Chief and direct the Military to convene a Tribunal that would be expected to be a patriotic pool of US citizens, and not a pool of rabid Demos — as in Washington DC or most Demo states, also better than a Repub sate as well.
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There appear to be prosecutors spying on defense counsel in order to take scalps.
(cough) Eddie Gallager (cough)
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To clarify: prosecutors within the military. One received an award.
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I won’t give up hope. People in high places will be held accountable. To me, it’s who will squeal 1st( like a pig) on their seditious friends. At 1st I thought Comey then Samantha Powers but now I believe it’s gonna be Mueller. How apropo! After his testimony ( what an f ing act) and now the timeline of these phone calls/texts/meetings, under pressure of some serious jail time, he’ll squeal BIGLY. With Radcliffe over at ODNI and hopefully someone like Gomert to replace Wray at FBI, Bondo Barr won’t be able to cover any more. So Treepers who’s gonna be first to squeal?
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I hope the Trump Administration does not put any of the US Reps from Texas in the cabinet – we need every single Texas Republican in place right now – do not trust the Dems as they are going for TX like you would not believe – every Texan should be on high alert…
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Ratcliffe’s name has been withdrawn from nomination for DNI.
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What is the punishment for conspiracy to remove a sitting president?
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Please recall how Adam Schiff, Schumer and Pelosi threatened impeachment if Sessions, RR or Mueller were fired because that would obstruct the biggest, best and most powerful law enforcement agency in the world from completing an investigation of an incident that did not occur.
For just an insistent put yourself in PDJT shoes and imagine negotiating with NKO about world destruction with the above BS hanging over your head.
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I really do know how to spell just don’t see that well to proof spellcheck. I meant to type “instant”.
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From Thomas Lifson at American Thinker:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/how_comey_set_a_trap_for_prosecutors_when_leaking_his_memos.html
Had the Department of Justice acted on the criminal referral that Inspector Horowitz reportedly issued regarding James Comey’s leak of memos, it would have fallen into a trap. Credit Comey with the legal sophistication you’d expect from a head of the FBI, but also credit the team assembled by Attorney General Barr for avoiding the trap.
Yesterday, I offered a non-lawyer’s analysis of Why you shouldn’t worry about the DOJ not prosecuting Comey on leaked memos and described the downside of a prosecution when the case is weak:
… imagine to potential consequences of taking as the first case against Comey a prosecution that could well be lost. Once a prosecution fails, the calls to drop the “political motivated persecution” would be legion. It is important that the first case taken to a jury be rock-solid and serious.
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LULU, I read that article in American Thinker and found the argument compelling. It outlines how crafty Comey was in releasing his memos, both in terms of which memos he released and how he released them. He flaunted his “communicating” of the contents of the memos in the media because he knew it would be unlikely the DOJ would prosecute him under the circumstances he created. That his behavior was despicable matters little. Only convincing a jury he committed crimes matters. Think about it. He admitted doing it because he knew he was not admitting to something that was a provable crime. He made sure of that. I urge viewers to read that article by Thomas Lifson. For those who need a summary of the potential consequence of prosecution just read the last paragraph of LULU’s post starting with “…..imagine…”
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As to why the DOJ came out immediately (still not verified) to decline prosecution is another matter of larger strategizing by Durham’s prosecution team. They didn’t have to decline quickly. After all, they didn’t do so with {McCabre}. They could have let Comey stew for awhile, but ostensibly made the decision to decline upfront. So that was for a reason most likely connected to the release of memos that is currently under court review and order – allowing the memos to be made public as opposed to keeping them hidden as part of an ongoing investigation and/or prosecution. Releasing the memos could be far more useful than prosecuting Comey for leaking that may be minor compared to conspiracy.
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Mueller,I can’t recall,I’m not going to get into that,not my perview,it’s just a fancy way of pleading the 5!!!!! The whole Mueller report was a total scam to cover hillary!
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Most criminals are dumber than a broke fence post.
~J.B. Smith, Former Smith Co, TX Sheriff
LONE STAR JUSTICE on Investigation Discovery
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Could be, but not in this case. These people almost pulled off the biggest scam in US history and the fact that they didn’t was a matter of some good campaigning by Trump and maybe a little luck from above.
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Was the Obstruction of Justice plan started earlier? Remember when Nunes was taken off of his Committee responsibilities by House Speaker Paul Ryan. Convenient for the small group of conspirators on May 17th, 2017, wouldn’t you say..
So what makes this so important. The Gang-Of-Eight briefing that would eventually follow on Wednesday May 17th, 2017. The conspirators knew Nunes was unlikely to go along and they were right. RR would have shown up with a hand full of Comey memos and said this is why I assigned a Special Council. Nunes, would have started asking some hard questions potentially derailing the SC appointment.
After Nunes’ March 22nd, 2017, Press announcement, and the subsequent democrat/media outrage therein, House Speaker Paul Ryan somewhat removes Devin Nunes from his committee responsibilities as they pertain to oversight on the Trump-centric investigative matters, and Nunes is placed under an ethics investigation.
Ethics Committee clears Rep. Devin Nunes
The California Republican had been accused of disclosing classified information related to the Russia investigation.
By ELANA SCHOR 12/07/2017 06:36 PM EST Updated 12/07/2017 07:40 PM EST
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The FBI counsel did not want Jim Baker to answer if the FBI was engaged in obstruction conversations amongst themselves. I’m wondering if the IG report on Comey’s memos will shed some light on what the Comey FBI was deliberating about as Comey walked along his many memo path.
EXECUTIVE SESSION COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY,
JOINT WITH THE COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM AND OVERSIGHT, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WASHINGTON, D.C.
INTERVIEW OF: JAMES A. BAKER (DAY 2)
Thursday, October 18, 2018
pg. 39
https://dougcollins.house.gov/sites/dougcollins.house.gov/files/Baker%20Day%202%20Redacted.pdf
Mr. Ratcliffe. And did you have that discussion at the FBI during the timeframe that we’re talking about here about whether it was proper for the FBI to be engaged in these types of obstruction conversations?
Mr. I believe the witness, I think, wants to answer, but I’m going to instruct him not to answer at this time.
Mr. Meadows. Let the record reflect that Mr. Baker nodded twice in the affirmative.
Mr. Baker. Well, I nodded in the affirmative because I am prepared to answer the question and ready to answer the question, but I will not.
Mr. Meadows. So I want to make sure —
Mr. Baker. It was not a substantive nod. It was a nod of willingness to respond to the question.
Mr. Meadows. Well, I’ve made lots of money reading people. And so what you’re saying is that at no time did you agree with Mr. Ratcliffe’s statement, that that nod was not affirmative? I want to make sure. Listen, you’ve been an honest broker with me to date, and I’m just telling — don’t equivocate.
Mr. Baker. So, sir, to be honest, I’m not sure I can remember exactly now, with the back and forth, what his question is. If he wants to ask it again, I’d be happy to try to deal with it.
Mr. Meadows. He’s not going to let you answer.
Mr. Baker. Okay.
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Does this, mean “if the FBI was engaged in obstruction conversations among themselves” the FBI was performing their actions independent of the Gang-Of-Eight or at the direction of the Gang-Of-Eight?
See my problem?
Alright guys, we have agreed to go forward with obstruction. What is the best way of getting this done.
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts?
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The best I understand it, and I am no lawyer by any means, is Ratcliffe seemed to be drilling down on what legal basis did the FBI have for discussing obstruction of justice for the specific case of a president when they hadn’t opened an obstruction of justice investigation (prior to the Comey firing). He wanted to drill down into their theories, but the FBI lawyer wouldn’t let Baker answer anything or acknowledge any discussions concerning obstruction prior to the Comey firing.
Reading back through Bill Barr’s memo to Rosenstein on June 8, 2018 Mueller’s “Obstruction” Theory…
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/549-june-2018-barr-memo-to-doj-mue/b4c05e39318dd2d136b3/optimized/full.pdf
….made me realize that the top echelon’s of the FBI/DOJ had gotten far afield from “obstruction laws do not criminalize just any act that can influence a
“proceeding.””. Bill Barr seemed to me to see from the outside that Rosenstein needed some direct push back to wake up. I appreciate that.
The upper echelon of the FBI/DOJ seemed to be taking their authority into the stratosphere.
I don’t think the Gang of Eight really mattered to them much because of their legal theories, other than Nunes who was not afraid to use his oversight authority.
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So Rosenstein briefed the Gang of 8 BEFORE notifying POTUS and the WH about appointing a Special Counsel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Sessions and Dowd were also out of the loop!!!!!!
I did not know that.
It’s increasingly clear the Rod ran the Sh1t Show from the jump.
Who recommended Ros as DAG?
Anyone know?
Also, it’s clear the R’s were just as eager to destroy POTUS as the Demonrats.
Ryan, Mytch, Burr and ——-.
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And he also informed the Public AKA the salivating Ene-Media before POTUS!
“Wednesday May 17th, 2017: The next day, May 17th, 2017, Rod Rosenstein and Andrew McCabe go to brief the congressional “Gang-of-Eight”: Paul Ryan, Nancy Pelosi, ¹Devin Nunes, Adam Schiff, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, Richard Burr and Mark Warner.”
“Immediately following this May 17, 2017, Go8 briefing, Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein notified the public of the special counsel appointment.
According to President Trump’s Attorney John Dowd, the White House was stunned by the decision. [Link] Coincidentally, AG Jeff Sessions was in the oval office for unrelated business when White House counsel Don McGahn came in and informed the group. Jeff Sessions immediately offered his resignation, and Sessions’ chief-of-staff Jody Hunt went back to the Main Justice office to ask Rosenstein what the hell was going on.”
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I don’t think Devin Nunes was at the briefing. Read my posting above.
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For whatever it’s worth i think this was started and controlled by the Gang-Of-Eight. Read my post above. Less one, Nunes.
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H. Hawke, Rosenstein was hired by Jeff Sessions
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BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Comey’s Memos Were the Key to Mueller’s Obstruction ‘Trap’ and New Evidence Shows They Were Likely Doctored by Comey
by Joe Hoft August 4, 2019
The following represents are short summary of a much longer article. Reference the link below
It seems the FBI Doctored 4 of the Comey memos we know of. The evidence below seems clear. So when if ever will Barr pick these conspirators up?
There is a major discrepancy in the FBI story here @TomFitton
Why were agents sent to Comey’s home to “retrieve” the memos *on June 7 2017* when the FBI swore in federal court that the FBI was given the Comey memos on *May 12* 2017?
http://i1.wp.com/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Strzok-Page-texts-on-Comey-Memos.png?zoom=2
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/breaking-exclusive-comeys-memos-were-the-key-to-muellers-obstruction-trap-and-new-evidence-shows-they-were-likely-doctored-by-comey/
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I think it’s important to understand what was in the different versions of the Comey memos?
As referenced above.
Why were agents sent to Comey’s home to “retrieve” the memos *on June 7 2017* when the FBI swore in federal court that the FBI was given the Comey memos on *May 12* 2017?
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I am taking the following as confirmation that the conspirators already had a plan in place by May 9, 2017 for an Obstruction Investigation. Note: the date Nunes was taken off the committee by Ryan, March 22nd, 2017 and the date Comey was fired May 9. 2017.
FoxNews: Two hours after Comey’s termination became public on May 9, 2017, Strzok, a now-former FBI agent, texted Page, his then-colleague and lover: “We need to open the case we’ve been waiting on now while Andy is acting.”
The question is repeated:
Mr. Jordan: May 9 of 2017, Mr. Comey gets fired, and we have a text message from Peter Strzok to Lisa Page saying: We’ve got to open the case now while Andy is Acting. It sure looks like they’re talking about an obstruction of justice investigation. Would you agree with all that?
Mr. Baker: Okay. I’m slightly confused, but I think it looks as though they are talking about opening an obstruction investigation. That’s what I interpret from this.
So. the obstruction investigation *plan* was in place prior to May 9, 2017
Immediately following this May 17, 2017, Go8 briefing, Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein notified the public of the special counsel appointment.
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