Carter Page Explains He Was “Decades Long” Source for FBI and CIA…

This interview is interesting from a few aspects.  First, Carter Page states he was a long-standing source of information for the intelligence apparatus, specifically for the CIA for decades.  Secondly, the framework by Page as outlined, and the underlying motive of the FBI to use him as an unwitting target for the FISA application, is essentially confirmation of our prior reconciled point on why the FBI exploited him.  [Watch]

It never made sense that U.S. Person Carter Page was an FBI witness from 2013 through to March/May 2016 and yet in October 2016, to achieve a FISA warrant, the FBI called him an agent of a foreign government.  [FISA APPLICATION]  It never made sense until with more information about the Mueller investigation we realized the FISA warrant was essentially irrelevant; what the Obama intel apparatus needed for their “insurance policy” was The Dossier.

Fusion GPS was not contracted in April 2016 to research Donald Trump. The intelligence community was already doing unlawful NSA-database surveillance and political spy operations. They already knew everything about the Trump campaign. The Obama intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to give them a plausible justification, an insurance policy of sorts, for pre-existing surveillance and spy operations.

Fusion-GPS fulfilled that contract by delivering the Steele Dossier.

Carter Page was not accused of being an agent of a foreign government to get a FISA warrant; that was secondary. Carter Page was accused of being an agent of a foreign government to get the Steele Dossier into the investigation.

The Dossier was used to validate and justify, albeit fraudulently, pre-existing political surveillance (NSA Database) and later John Brennan’s spy operations.  The Dossier was cover for a political surveillance operation under the color of FBI legitimacy.

The NSA database was being exploited for political surveillance operations since around mid-2012. {Go Deep} Following a secret agreement between the FBI and the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), the Obama intelligence apparatus was using the NSA database to extract information and build files on political targets. {Go Deep}  They used the FISA-702(16)(17) search process and never informed the FISA court.

The FISA-702 database extraction process (NSA Database), and the utilization of the protections within the smaller ‘national security’ intelligence community, was the primary process to track and monitor specific U.S. persons by the Obama administration.

Early in 2016 NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers was alerted to a significant uptick in FISA-702(17) “About” queries; these are searches using the FBI/NSA database that holds all metadata records on every form of electronic communication.  The uptick was aligned with the timing of the GOP presidential primary race.

The NSA compliance officer alerted NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers who then initiated a full compliance audit on/around March 9th, 2016, for the period of November 1st, 2015, through May 1st, 2016. {Go Deep}

Everything after March 9th, 2016, was done to cover up the weaponization of the FISA database. [Explained Here] Spygate, Russia-Gate, the Steele Dossier, and even the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (drawn from the dossier and signed by the above) were needed to create a cover-story and protect themselves from discovery of this four year weaponization, political surveillance and unlawful spying. Even the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel makes sense; he was FBI Director when this began.

On August 15th, 2016, Lisa Page and Peter Strzok have a meeting with Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe.  At the conclusion of that meeting, Peter Strzok sends a text message to Ms. Page:

“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office -that there’s no way he gets elected- but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk.  It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”

Here’s where Carter Page is about to come in; but first more context…

On August 25th Hillary Clinton gives a speech in Reno Nevada where she outlines how the “Alt Right” and Russian agents/bots are behind an effort to destroy her campaign. To many people the speech just seemed goofy and paranoid.  She was mocked for it.

Mysteriously Clinton disappeared for almost two weeks after that “Alt Right” speech, and resurfaced on September 11th in New York for a 9/11 event.  This is when she had that mysterious collapsing episode, and was thrown in the van like a sack of potatoes.  With each cough and stumble the possibility and risk of a Trump victory increases.

On September 29th, 2016, the FBI received word from New York that new Clinton emails were uncovered in the Weiner/Abedin laptop.  Andrew McCabe and Peter Strzok buried the issue, assuming (hoping) that Clinton would win the election.  The laptop would be avoided by the FBI until October 27th. [backstory]  Undoubtedly the Clinton campaign team was notified.

On October 19th, 2016, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump square off in their final debate.  During the debate Clinton calls Trump “a puppet of Putin”. Clinton suggested that Trump would be a “puppet” for Putin, who has a “very clear favorite in this race.” “No, you’re the puppet!” Trump responded.

Clinton said 17 U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that recent cyber attacks targeting the U.S. election came from Russia. “She has no idea” where the hacking originated, Trump argued. Clinton accused Trump of taking Putin’s word over the conclusions of the U.S. military and intelligence professionals, calling it “frightening.” LINK

Two days after this debate, October 21st, 2016,the FBI rushed an application to the FISA court for a Title-1 surveillance warrant against U.S. person Carter Page.

The FBI didn’t need the FISA warrant for additional investigation.  The FBI needed a Russia narrative and to protect themselves from Trump. The FBI needed the Steele Dossier to justify political surveillance. and their pre-existing investigation, and mount a defense in the event of a Trump victory.

It was the Steele Dossier they needed.

What is Fusion-GPS’s Steele Dossier without Carter Page?

Without Carter Page, the Steele Dossier is an assembled political file with a bunch of speculative claims about the opposition campaign of a presidential candidate. Without Carter Page, the Steele Dossier is a binder of information, a file, sitting on a desk at the FBI essentially useless.  It also came in AFTER their surveillance/investigation began.

How could the FBI ever justify investigating the opposition research of a rival candidate for office? How could they ever get past the sourcing issues? How could they explain their blind eye to the provenance? How could they ever justify using the Steele Dossier?

They need some justification to exploit the Dossier. The FBI needed to use Carter Page as a way to inject the Steele Dossier into a pre-existing investigation of the Trump campaign.

The FBI didn’t use the Steele Dossier as a way to exploit Carter Page for a FISA warrant against the Trump campaign. The FBI used Carter Page as a way to inject the Steele Dossier into a pre-existing FBI investigation of the Trump campaign. That fraudulent FBI investigation was itself a cover-up to hide years of political surveillance using the NSA database.  Hence the Fusion-GPS contract.

Carter Page was never an actual target any more than Russia interference was genuine threat within the campaigns.  Both were complete fabrications.  Despite calling him an agent of a foreign government, Carter Page was never charged.  However, for the sake of protecting themselves, and continuing to keep a President Trump undermined, it was the Dossier that was important, not the FISA warrant.

To get the dossier “in” they needed Carter Page.

With the Dossier in the official investigative bloodstream, the FBI could exploit the content and then use their media allies by leaking information about a Trump-Russia conspiracy.  The media would assist in framing an actual, albeit completely fabricated, Russian conspiracy narrative.  The Russia narrative could then serve multiple purposes of insurance and even launch another FBI investigation in May 2017 per Andrew McCabe.

Once the FBI and Robert Mueller had used the Steele Dossier to generate the needed narrative; and once the counterintelligence investigation -now led by Wesissmann and Mueller- into Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos, Michael Flynn and Michael Cohen had successfully ensnared them and shut them down on unrelated issues; then the dossier had exhausted its usefulness, and was dispatched along with the FISA on Carter Page.

Once Manafort, Papadopoulos, Flynn and Cohen were under control, all further efforts were targeted to building an “obstruction” case 24/7/365.

No wonder Christopher Steele was surprised to hear his Dossier work product was used to launch a counterintelligence investigation…. because, here’s the key takeaway, it wasn’t.

The Dossier was used to validate and justify, albeit fraudulently, a pre-existing investigation.  That pre-existing counterintelligence investigation, a political surveillance operation under the color of FBI legitimacy, was bolstered by the sketchy Brennan intelligence operation in early 2016, because they needed an origination point.

“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office -that there’s no way he gets elected- but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk.  It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”

Carter Page was not accused of being an agent of a foreign government to get a FISA warrant; that was secondary.  Carter Page was accused of being an agent of a foreign government to get the Dossier into the investigation.

It was the Dossier that became important and useful in mid-October 2016, not Carter Page.  One of the issues that raised the importance and FBI urgency was realizing in September 2016 they were going to have to do something before the election with the Weiner/Abedin laptop, which they announced on October 27th.

[…] “We found that what changed between September 29 and October 27 that finally prompted the FBI to take action was not new information about what was on the Weiner laptop but rather the inquiries from the SDNY prosecutors and then from the Department. The only thing of significance that had changed was the calendar and the fact that people outside of the FBI were inquiring about the status of the Weiner laptop.” (IG Report pg 331)

It was the dossier they needed most, not Carter Page.

The Russian election interference narrative; the use of Joseph Mifsud, Stefan Halper, the London and Australian embassy personnel; Erika Thompson, Alexander Downer, U.S. DIA officials; everything around Crossfire Hurricane; and everything after to include the construct of the Steele Dossier; all of it was needed for the creation of an ‘after-the-fact‘  plausible justification to cover-up what Mike Rogers discovered in early 2016, AND the downstream unmasked records that existed in the Obama White House SCIF.

Fusion GPS was not hired in April 2016 to research Donald Trump.  The intelligence community was already doing surveillance and spy operations. They already knew everything about the Trump campaign. The Obama intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to give them a justification for pre-existing surveillance and spy operations.

That’s why the FBI, and later the Mueller team, are so strongly committed to, and defending, the formation of the Steele Dossier and its dubious content.

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399 Responses to Carter Page Explains He Was “Decades Long” Source for FBI and CIA…

  1. Bryan Alexander says:

    This retroactive stuff is being misunderstood, IMO.

    If the Obama Administration was conducting illegal surveillance and unmasking US Citizens (it appears they were), getting a FISA warrant does NOT absolve them of the illegal surveilling and un-maskings.

    Now, when a FISA warrant is obtained, they can go back in time and get phone calls, emails, everything. BUT THEY COULD NOT HAVE THAT STUFF BEFORE THE FISA WARRANT WAS GRANTED.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      I’ve read various reports about how far back they can look and I’ve come to the conclusion they can go as far back as the NSA has data, which I think is 5 years. But phone call content, the NSA can’t help them with that. They need active surveillance for that and it would therefore be from the moment the warrant is approved on forward unless they were engaging in illegal surveilance. But these days, what’s the most common way for people to communicate? Emails and texts, the NSA has those. Phone calls not so much.

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      • Rhoda R says:

        Isn’t there some sort of mechanism that indicates WHEN something was pulled from the data base and by whom?

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      • ron Milam says:

        Or Carter Page was in the know and he and the FBI had to play it off to start with or they would have been busted 2 years ago !! Think about it.

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      • Bryan Alexander says:

        This is just an opinion, but it is based on technical knowledge I have gained over the years. I think the NSA captures the entire phone call and stores it.

        They have access to it. Nearly every phone call in the US is converted over to digital signal, transmitted to recipient, and then converted back to analog signal for it to be heard.

        The NSA has everything else in digital format. Why not go ahead and get the call contents? Sophisticated algorithms can compress that audio file way down to a much smaller file. I don’t think they have enough computer power to do real-time voice analysis on every phone call looking for key words. The obvious thing is that they get all the meta-data and the voice call. It is all recorded automatically. They then use “slow-time” or some other reason to pick out a person and analyze their phone calls with computers. If no key words or phrases appear, they dump the voice file and keep the metadata for reference.

        Next time you see one of the hearings about this kind of stuff, you will see them make a dismissive comment like “We don’t have people sitting around listening to phone calls. That’s absurd.” Yeah, they don’t have to. Voice recognition technology is so far advanced, even the apps on your cell phones can recognize everything you say immediately. If Siri or what ever app you have can ask you what you want to listen to, and then accurately do what you tell it, the government can listen to you phone call and generate a searchable file of the words you spoke.

        Besides that, Clapper was asked about that a few years back. The parsing of his answer told me that they DO capture large amounts of phone calls.

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        • Mac says:

          All you need for data storage is storage capacity. So, it is entirely possible for the NSA to record every communication flowing through its net. And, with the proper algorithms, it is possible to screen the communications as they are intercepted or later, if desirable. Nobody sits in a room and listens to the phone call or reads the printed communication, until they want or need to. Why do you think that the US government has been quietly crushing the encrypted communication industry for the last 20 years. Remember the PGP email program? How about the attempted installation of government back doors into nearly all encryption programs? While 98% of the public’s communications are innocuous, some communications are not. And, public “encryption” processes, such as RSA [which is used for most “secure internet communication], are notoriously unreliable, if the government does not already have a common decryption key for them.

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    • GB Bari says:

      My understanding from Sundance’s articles and discussions in CTH is that a FISA warrant can be requested and granted that will legitimize surveillance on the same person for up to one year prior. But only one year prior.

      Obozo (via his security & intelligence staff and – Sundance has concluded – four unauthorized contractors) had been illegally surveilling Americans since approximately 2012 – without any warrants.

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    • mtk says:

      Lines, lines, blah blab between the lines…
      They are using all of this for misdirection
      Lines, lines, blah blab between the lines…
      so as not to investigate Clinton!!!!
      Lines, lines, blah blab between the lines…

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    • Orville R. Bacher says:

      Carter Page was a CIA/FBI plant into the Trump Campaign, wittingly or unwittingly. Carter Page, a mobbed up agency plant was no coincidence.

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      • waltherppk says:

        Ding ding ding….We have a winner …..one free chicken dinner!

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      • GWP says:

        Seems almost certain. Page tried to join campaign in Dec 2015 and did in Jan 2016 even while remaining an FBI “source” until March 2016. What safer plant in Trump campaign could have existed?

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    • telemon1 says:

      I think the point of the fisa was to ensure Hillary’s election and then none of the illegal stuff would be found out. They never expected her to lose! As the election neared and she was imploding, they were getting desperate.

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    • YeahYouRight says:

      I respectfully disagree with some of S.D.’s analysis here. Recall that the first FISA warrant attempt failed in the Spring of 2016, and recall that Admiral Rogers shut down 702 database searches in that same timeframe, after exposing the abuse in March.

      The FISA warrant was intended to continue IC access to the info that they would no longer be allowed to access with 702 searches and shield their malfeasance.

      Something (Carter Page?) was added to the warrant application to beef it up and increase chances of approval. The FISA warrant does not indemnify the FBI because we know what they did was in bad faith. It cannot be considered to be an insurance policy in that way.

      That the warrant establishes a full-throated investigation that extends into his possible presidency and provides a veil of secrecy under which to hide the bad people and their misdeeds is the insurance policy.

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  2. Tiredofallthis says:

    How does including the Steele Dossier in a confidential FISA warrant application get it Into play? If it had, then we wouldn’t have needed the Comey meeting with Trump in early January and the coordinated leak by Clapper to CNN. The Obama Administration did know everything that Trump was doing because of its abuse of the NSA database, right up until Admiral Rogers shut it down in early 2016. Does anyone think that thereafter the Obama Administration was content not knowing everything that the Trump campaign was doing! Of course not, they just started spying by other means. If the main purpose of the Page FISA warrant application was to get the Steele dossier into play, then why was it extended three times? Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one— they needed the Page FISA warrant to justify their surveillance of Trump both before and after the election. I can’t wait to see what forms of spying, ah, er, surveillance was used against a sitting President.

    One more thing. If Carter Page had been cooperating with the CIA/FBI for many years, wouldn’t that be precisely the kind of exculpatory evidence that the government was legally required to include in the FISA warrant application?

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    • Diane Smith says:

      “How does including the Steele Dossier in a confidential FISA warrant application get it Into play?” I have the same question. The only answer I can think of is the Dossier came into play because it was used to obtain the warrant and therefore officially logged into the System. It also doesn’t explain why the FBI renewed the FISA several time. I never had full confidence in Page’s intentions and have always wondered if he was a plant, now forced to play the victim..

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  3. Troublemaker10 says:

    I don’t think Carter Page was is on anything. He was used by the deep state. His behavior after the fact, in words and deeds, is that of someone unwillingly used — not that of someone who willingly colluded.

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  4. kiswa15 says:

    What is a “decades long CIA informant” doing in any presidential campaign??

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    • Marc says:

      Doing his job: spying.

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      • Rhoda R says:

        And that is probably what he thought his function was. He was probably told that the IC feared there was Russian influence in the Trump campaign and his job was to unmask it. He didn’t realize that he was the patsy excuse for the FISA warrant to cover/justify prior illegal spying.

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        • Redzone says:

          Maria B. specifically asked Page if he was reporting back to CIA/FBI and he stuttered a little, then completely side-stepped the question. It seems to me if he wasn’t reporting back, that’s an easy question to answer. If he was reporting back, that explains his odd behavior.

          Plus, he never thought his involvement would be made public. Once it was, the CIA/FBI essentially left him under the bus they through him under.

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          • Redzone says:

            *threw him under

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          • jmarshs says:

            I think that we will learn that Carter Page was essentially “duped” by the CIA into “keeping an eye” on the Trump campaign for any “collusion” with Russia.

            This would go a long ways to explaining why he did not get the full Muller treatment of laying perjury traps, solitary confinement, midnight raids, having to pay for expensive legal representation, etc. i.e. Carter Page was, de facto, spying for the CIA, but he was not, technically, working for the CIA.

            He goes to pretty great lengths in the interview to say how annoyed he was that he was not being paid for the work he was doing.

            Because he was not a paid employee of the CIA, he knew that he was exposed, and would not be protected by them once he saw that he was being thrown under the bus. But he may not be entirely innocent (as was Papdop).

            The above is just speculation at this point, and I truly hope I’m wrong. He is an Annapolis graduate after all – so I’ll keep an open mind….

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        • JMC says:

          Exactly!

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        • Mark McQueen says:

          I think he didn’t expect his cover to be blown, especially in the way that it was.

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  5. Holly Huston says:

    I’m confused, I thought Hillary hired Fusion, CTH is making it seem like Brennan hired Fusion by needing the cover for previous spying. Was Hillary and Brennan working together?

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    • covfefe999 says:

      I don’t know about others but I think Brennn hired Fusion but got Hillary to pay for it to make it look like it was opposition research instead of spying.

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      • Rhoda R says:

        Hadn’t thought of that but it could have happened that way – especially since Fusion was out there with the beginnings of opp research from the RNC side of the house. And I’ll be he went through Blumenthal to get Hillary’s concurrence.

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      • Perot Conservative says:

        Good point; yet still the FBI paid for part of it?

        And a wild guess here, but I believe Robert Kramer of Project Veritas fame was rolling around somewhere.

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      • jmarshs says:

        Or Fusion GPS could be a quasi- “privately owned” business that is really “owned” by various US Intelligence Agencies.

        I’m sure the CIA (and other Intel agencies) own “private companies” like Fusion GPS who develop “open source information” which is then used as an aid in “parallel investigations” — thus saving the Intel Agencies from having to expose to the Courts the true source of where/how they obtained their information (NSA databases, spying, etc.). I suspect that Christopher Steels’ “company” has the same status within the UK. (I read somewhere about the grade of computer equipment and encryption technology that both companies have, and that it is so expensive and overblown for a private company, that it suggests that they are, essentially, government entities).

        Simpson & Steele have gotten of pretty easily in this whole mess. It could lead a suspicious mind to believe that they are, most likely, government employees…..

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        • mooseescoto0217 says:

          I think your theory makes a lot of sense. CIA has several front companies and I recall reading the same about their elaborate technology. Parallel reconstruction makes lots of sense.

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      • Invisigoth says:

        Sydney Powell said Fusion GPS was NOT one of the contractors using the NSA database. Fusion GPS was doing opposition research on Trump first for Republicans, then for Hillary, creating the Steele Dossier and leaking it to the media, unsuccessfully at first until the FBI corroborated the bogus allegations.

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    • Carrie says:

      Brennan sent over Nellie Ohr to craft the dossier. And she was still working for the CIA while she worked for Fusion GPS. So Brennan was implicitly helping the DNC/Hillary.

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  6. grumpyqs says:

    IMO, Mr Carter Page has been playing the part of a “pawn” for the CIA, FBI, MI6, KGB or whoever could write him a good paycheck. Seems like they pay VERY well. In one of his latest TV interviews, he revealed his “familiarity” with the CIA began while in military service. I believe he did whatever the IC wanted him to do and was fully aware of his function.

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  7. The Akh says:

    I still don’t get how Carter Page’s ackwardness and his general goofy oddness translates into him being part of the coup. There has never been any evidence for this. I would agree that the guy is likely extremely intelligent. But every time his name comes up here, it’s a pile on of insinuation regarding Carter’s role. But there is no evidence.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      It’s not his awkwardness/goofiness that bugs me. It’s things like: 1) He was an FBI source for many years then just happened to get hooked up with the Trump campaign and only a few months later was the target of a FISA warrant, 2) he may have had a FISA warrant on him in 2013/2014, 3) even after he quit the Trump campaign in Sep 2016 he continued to make contact with people on the Trump team, 4) he refuses to provide details about important matters, 5) he sued the DNC but he’s representing himself, he’s not an attorney, and his first lawsuit was tossed out, ….. i could list at least 5 more things but will stop here. He’s one of these people whose story just doesn’t make sense. The truth is usually pretty straightforward. I didn’t want to believe that he or Geoge Papadopoulos were traitors. I am quite convince now that GP isn’t. But every time CP opens his mouth he drives me more into thinking that he’s a traitor … or incredibly stupid. Either way he caused problems for Trump, like Jeff Sessions.

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      • Joemama says:

        I don’t believe that Carter Page is stupid. In fact, I believe exactly the opposite. He is playing the role of a bumbling, happy-go-lucky patriot, that was wronged by the powers that be.

        He is a spy that is “a burned source”. Once CI_, always CI_. You can never leave, unless the CI_ outs you and decides not to “suicide” you.

        JMHO.

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      • The Akh says:

        If Carter Page was in on the coup, why in the heck did they run Halper at him? They could have just called him up on the phone. But they ran Halper at him like they did Papa D and Lokhova. That makes no logical sense at all. Lokhova has also filed a defamation lawsuit against Halper and co, just like Carter.

        Thing is, nobody has come up with any actual evidence other than Carter is goofy. Thats the same standard that allowed half this country to believe that Trump was a Russian plant. No evidence…just a bunch of stuff people want to believe no matter what.

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        • covfefe999 says:

          If Carter Page was in on the coup, why in the heck did they run Halper at him?

          I think it’s possible that Page and Halper were actually working together but they made it look like Halper approached Page as he approached Papadopoulos. They wanted to make Page look like an innocent victim. Notice that Page was never offered $10k (that we know of), the FBI was never waiting at a US airport to arrest Page upon return, Page was never indicted.

          I do acknowledge that Page was a victim, but if he were a victim I would expect the same outcome as Papadopoulos, life-altering arrest and conviction.

          Just to make it clear (for latecomers), I am not trying to change anyone else’s mind on this. It’s just how I’m thinking. Page’s story does not make sense, his behavior seems incredibly shady to me, I try to view him as an innocent victim and I simply cannot.

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          • covfefe999 says:

            Imagine if the traitors punted and the “insurance policy” was something they had not done before, securing a FISA warrant against someone who was an FBI source just to have the ability to perform live surveillance on Trump and his team.

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            • covfefe999 says:

              Also, why didn’t they just take out a FISA warrant on Papadopoulos? It would have been easier, I think. Why did they pick a guy who had an existing relationship with the FBI?

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          • Lori says:

            It is shady, and now he’s coming out that he had more talks with Halper than he originally said, even going to his house. They were brainstorming.

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  8. swamph8er says:

    Carter Page did the exact same operation in 2014 and 2016. He is a spy.

    Someone needs to find out how many times the FBI obtained a FISA on a US spy, agent, or informant so they could illegally exploit the “2 hop” rule.

    https://www.justsecurity.org/59837/reports-carter-page-subject-fisa-warrant-2013-2014/

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    • Carrie says:

      I think there was an earlier article that showed how the Obama Administration stopped prosecuting FARA cases so they could use another section of the FARA law to get FISA warrants on US citizens they deemed “foreign agents”. Carter, Papadopoulus, Flynn and it appears others before were all targeted with this method.

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      • sundance says:

        Exactly this…. sharp comment.

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      • covfefe999 says:

        I would go a step further and say they deliberately took out a FISA warrant on one of their own sources so they could have full control. Imagine if the fake target of the FISA warrant is being directed by the FBI. Carter Page dropped out of the Trump campaign … but according to him (interview with Maria) he maintained contact with people on the Trump team through the election, the transition, and the first few months after Trump was inaugurated. Imagine if the FBI was providing a script to Page, “say this to Hope Hicks”, “say this to Stephen Miller”, etc. All for the purpose of maximizing incriminating communications.

        Is there any evidence that there were attempts to secure FISA warrants on Papapoulos or Flynn or anyone else?

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        • Beau Geste says:

          Very astute analysis. BINGO!

          AG Barr needs to get all Page communications with the “government”, DNC, cody scherer, blumenthal, et al.

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  9. covfefe999 says:

    I still want to know why Carter Page referred to Stefan Halper as “Harriet Tubman”. And I want to know what “injustices” Page was suffering. Did he not know that Halper was working for the FBI? Page refuses to speak badly about Halper, I wonder why. That’s very very odd. Papadopoulos didn’t have any trouble criticizing Halper.

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    • Carrie says:

      Perhaps Stefan Halper is an Underground Railroad chief himself? As in, he handles many undercover agents abroad or helps recruit new ones? Just guessing.

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  10. Marc says:

    I don’t trust Cheshire Cat Carter Page. He’s an asset of the corrupt CIA and FBI not a victim.

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  11. James says:

    Carter Page is a spook, a spy, a Confidential Informant … whatever you want to call it. Literally nothing that comes out of his mouth is believable or trustworthy. And that’s probably the reason he was not mentioned in the Mueller Report. Just remember that he is a covert asset of the CIA. We must consider all of his actions within this context. Carter Page is not a trustworthy individual. He is likely still acting on behalf of the deeply embedded elements of the Obama administrationl;

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  12. trapper says:

    “Carter Page was accused of being an agent of a foreign government to get the Steele Dossier into the investigation.”

    Right. And Carter Page was in effect a CIA and FBI confidential informant “for decades.” They burned him.

    Oh, and the “sources and methods” Brennan and the others so disingenuously seek to redact and protect have nothing to do with foreign intelligence gathering or clandestine operations. What they are desperate to protect are the “sources and methods” of their illegal domestic political spying dating back to 2012, and the corruption of ALL security agencies both in running the illegal operation and in their attempt to cover it up.

    And that’s not even the worst of it. The ugliest part, the part that has not even begun to be looked into yet, is the uses to which they almost certainly had been putting that illegally obtained information, dating back to 2012. Begin peeling THAT onion and a lot of otherwise unexplainable votes in congress, decisions by judges, congressmen’s decisions to retire or not run for re-election, will begin to make sense.

    Listen to the democrats. They will tell you what they are afraid of by the subjects of their most shrill cries. Impeachment? They are desperate to prevent the corruption of the Obama regime from being discovered, all of which would have made him impeachable. Cover-up? They are desperate to preserve the cover up of the Obama corruption and illegal political spying.

    Blackmail. One of the three main democrat food group

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  13. Bogeyfree says:

    Anybody know if Page had anything to do with the Tea Party back in the day?

    Just asking for a friend.

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  14. James says:

    People like to paint Carter Page as some sort of simplistic fool. Let me tell you, no one graduates in the top 10% of the Naval Academy and gets selected for the Trident Scholar program if they are a fool. This guy is no fool. He fully understands what he is doing and what he has done.
    In my opinion, based on his alien-like media appearances, Carter Page is still acting on behalf of the coup, as he always has. This guy is attempting to manipulate public opinion through his fake quirks and fake eccentricity. Page is a trained spy, and what he is doing now is called deception. He is still acting on behalf of the coup, regardless of how many appearances he does on Fox or wherever.

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    • Sammy says:

      Don’t forget he is Doctor Page, has a PH.D. and worked in the 90’s for the Clinton campaign and then was on one of their task forces.

      From the first I believed he was somehow in on it, that he did all his interviews with congress and FBI without a lawyer, that they never targeted him, like they did everyone else even for a process crime. That he was testifying as a witness in a Russian investigation for the FBI in 2016 but than they turn around in court filing refer to him a Russian foreign agent in a secret court procedure, to ridiculous to be true.

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  15. distracted2 says:

    Maybe I’m just cynical but it seems to me that if Page was willing to lie about his association with the intelligence community for two years, while claiming he has been used and abused by it, why should we believe him now?

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  16. Everett Miller says:

    Carter Page is a co-conspirator. He was a volunteer toadie, by design a “target” who was complicit in the entire charade, a part in the play, an actor/agent to be the gateway into the Trump campaign.
    He is no more innocent than Comey or Rosenstein, or Jeff Sessions. Lock him up along with the rest of the evil cabal.

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  17. Mongo Mete Paen says:

    Did anyone notice that Page said he had provided “grand jury” testimony starting at 5:50 of the interview? That would seem to indicate that a grand jury is looking into the FISA application and renewals for possible criminal prosecution. I know we are aware of the US Attorney for D. Conn. empanelling a grand jury, but this appears to be the first confirmation of an actual witness appearance, and a critical one at that.

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  18. ikarus joe says:

    all these comments are very interesting….im SUPER suprised that nobody here has yet said…”Carter Page is one WIEEEERDDD dude””….hes kinda spooky…he reminds me of a Muppet….can someone possibly imagine WHY the CIA would be coming to him for info…or for his opinions…or why he has Russian contacts..?? The guy doesnt really seem to be the brightest bulb on the Xmas tree to me….someone please correct me if Im totally misreading this bloke.

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  19. iwasthere says:

    Bingo! Sundance. It’s all about the ‘parallel construction’ – a Mueller favorite.

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  20. Perot Conservative says:

    Did you hear that?

    5:50 – 6:00 – he testified before s GRAND JURY.

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  21. trapper says:

    An interesting site, if you haven’t found it already:

    https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/2018/03/17/the-mechanics-of-deception/

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  22. zaq123 says:

    It never made sense that U.S. Person Carter Page was an FBI witness from 2013 through to March/May 2016 and yet in October 2016, to achieve a FISA warrant, the FBI called him an agent of a foreign government.

    A very rare moment where I’ll have to disagree with Sundance…..

    This decision by the FBI made perfect sense. They needed someone and they needed that someone quick. The longer the President had to occupy the Oval Office, the harder it would be to get rid of him. He would eventually be able to put his people in place and if they were loyal to him, the whole thing would blow up, which it did. They needed a patsy and they found a few, or so they thought: Page, Papadopolous, Flynn, Manafort, Gates. They all thought these men would give them the combo to a safe that didn’t exist. And when their plans didn’t go as they wished, they went after them to cover their tracks.

    The longer this goes on, with all the revelations that are dripping out, the more we’re learning about how mueller, et al were very selective about what they presented to the court to frame people, the worse this is going to get for the other team. As much as I’d like to see EVERYONE of them in prison clothes, I’d really love to see Wray walked out of FBI HQ in handcuffs.

    Unless proven otherwise, I think Weiner’s laptop, Gen Flynn and, of course, Adm Rogers have a lot to do with house this is all playing out.

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  23. Battleship Wisconsin says:

    Sundance: “Fusion GPS was not contracted in April 2016 to research Donald Trump. The intelligence community was already doing unlawful NSA-database surveillance and political spy operations. They already knew everything about the Trump campaign. The Obama intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to give them a plausible justification, an insurance policy of sorts, for pre-existing surveillance and spy operations. ….. Fusion-GPS fulfilled that contract by delivering the Steele Dossier.”

    It is becoming easier with each passing month to suspect that prior to January, 2016, the Clinton campaign was a recipient and direct beneficiary of the information being produced by the illegal searches of the NSA database.

    Watching Hillary Clinton’s performance during the third presidential election debate held on October 19th, 2016, it is also becoming easier to suspect that she herself had direct knowledge of what was being done on her behalf by the Obama administration IC and by her Deep State acolytes in the DOJ and the FBI.

    Knowing who she is and what her past history of skullduggery has been, we should not be too surprised if it is eventually discovered that she was, and has been, directly involved in planning and directing the Deep State’s damage response strategy for justifying the illegal spying, now that its existence is coming to light.

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  24. underwhelmingposter says:

    This thread about Carter Page seems spot on. It would seem that his law suit(s) could be as frivolous as Mueller’s investigation of him. Similar to a sting where the cops cuff and book the perp and the informant to not out him. Both go to trial. One gets off. This does have the earmarks of a chess game Bobby Fisher would have been mystified at.
    Also, why was Carer Page removed from PDJT’s campaign back in 2016? He was always considered at a (very) low level. If the Trump campaign thought he added no value and separated him, then that could have added urgency to coup/undermining operation. Perhaps that is why they need Popadop (sp???). I agree that the guy is still an IC asset and doing disinformation as if he were wronged. A part of the current plan.

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  25. underwhelmingposter says:

    Carter

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  26. Perot Conservative says:

    I believe Sundance missed this Biggie.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      How is that a big deal?

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      • James F says:

        I wasn’t aware there was a grand jury in session related to the failed coup so it is big news to me.

        Were you already aware of this grand jury? If so, do you know the targets of this grand jury and what is specifically being investigated?

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        • Rob says:

          It was reported soon after Mueller began investigating in 2017 that Mueller had a grand jury assembled and was ready to hear evidence.

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      • Perot Conservative says:

        covfefe999, GJ’s hear evidence, witnesses, and produce indictments.

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      There was a mention here or there. There was also a mention a year or so ago that there was a GJ in Arkansas for PA Cody Hiland and the Clinton Foundation.

      Is Huckabee solid, or swamp? He swears by Hiland, a Trump apointee.

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  27. Dim Osmab says:

    I was just thinking, is CrossfireH the worst investigation in history?

    Everything is already leaked, we know about all sources and methods, we know names of informants !!!

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    • Jederman says:

      Was wondering the same. How could they possibly be this sloppy? Paper trails, NSA audits, leaks, texts… . Seems amateurish.

      There was a time a while back when I thought this had to be some sort of deception op to get the contents of HRC’s “classified” emails into circulation.

      I now attribute the discovery of the obama malfeasance to the occam’s razor approach and qui bono. If there are trillions at stake in the globalist/nationalist world wide battle then it is exactly what it appears to be.

      The DS using all available assets to take out what they thought would be an easy candidate. Combine that with HRC being the worst possible candidate and here we are.

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    • Matthew LeBlanc says:

      Which explains why having the most sophisticated surveillance capablities in the history of mankind, 10,000s of thousands of agents, and many many billions of dollars the FBI can’t stop any terrorist attacks they didn’t attempt to start in the first place.

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  28. Fake Ruby says:

    Epic piece as usual SD.

    Your snippet in this post about comments made by HRC during the October 19th, 2016 presidential debate is interesting:

    Clinton said 17 U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that recent cyber attacks targeting the U.S. election came from Russia. “She has no idea” where the hacking originated, Trump argued. Clinton accused Trump of taking Putin’s word over the conclusions of the U.S. military and intelligence professionals, calling it “frightening.” LINK

    I had assumed that the debunked BS about “17 intelligence agencies” originated in fake news reporting about the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment, but this makes it clear that it was a Hillary campaign info product.

    And we get a two-fer here. The media slander we routinely hear about President Trump “taking Putin’s word over that of our intelligence agencies” looks to have been birthed on that debate stage too.

    Nice to know our “independent media” takes no orders from anyone.

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  29. One piece I don’t understand is how could Steele do all that work for only $168,000 contract from FusionGPS? He must have gotten paid by others.

    We know he was double-dipping with the FBI, but that was probably not a lot. People above on this thread say Brennan; makes sense. Steele and Fusion need to be indicted for FARA violations and have their financials examined.

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    • Chewbarkah says:

      The amount makes more sense if Steele, as many suggest, didn’t originate most of the “Steele Dossier” and acted mostly as a marketing agent.

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  30. mark says:

    From Sundance in the above article ” the status of the target was determined in or about October 16 from information provided by the US Department of State “. Can someone please help, I forgot who was the Secretary of State in October 2016? LOLROTF!!

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  31. David K. Peers says:

    The thing that always concerns me is how evasive Papadopoulos and Page sound and look in interviews. The pieces never seem to add up and details are usually missing. Finding out, now Page was a CIA informant for decades? Not too many questions about that in the interview which I found odd.

    Vanity Fair, I think did an in-depth profile of Papadopoulos.its worth a read. The author found parts of Papadopoulos didn’t add up but was also surprised when other parts did.

    There’s something fishy about these two characters. That both have an inability to communicate clearly and concisely is worrisome.

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  32. Bryan Alexander says:

    Carter Page biography:

    – Graduated with a BS degree from the United States Naval Academy in 1993
    – He graduated with distinction (top 10% of his class)
    – Chosen for the Navy’s Trident Scholar program.
    – During his senior year at the Naval Academy, he worked in the office of Les Aspin as a researcher for the House Armed Services Committee.
    – He served in the U.S. Navy for five years including a tour in western Morocco as an intelligence officer for a UN peacekeeping mission
    – In 1994, he completed an MA degree in National Security Studies at Georgetown University.
    – After leaving the Navy, Page completed a fellowship at the Council on Foreign Relations
    – In 2001 he received an MBA degree from New York University.
    – Page received a PhD degree from SOAS, University of London in 2012

    So, how many of you are still thinking this guy is “an idiot”?

    I urge everyone to go to the Wikipedia page on Carter Page and read all of it. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Page)

    This guy has been groomed by the CIA for years. Look at the time-frame. In 1993, the wall had come down and the Soviet Union was disintegrating. Boris Yeltsin was the up and comer in Russia. The CIA needed new types of information.

    I would bet you that Page was approached by the CIA while he was doing his stint with the UN Peacekeeping Force. They needed someone to provide information on Russian energy and politics. So, he got his MBA from NYU to get him up to speed in the business field. His actual work and accomplishments in the working world is non-existent. He is where he is to be an informant and set-up guy.

    Page is still defending the interests of the CIA. Don’t be fooled by his act.

    Folks, the CIA has been caught red-handed running an operation using a US citizen against a political candidate for president. The media has been directly complicit in slow-rolling us on this story. This was what the leftists tore the country apart for in the 1960s – 70s. Now, they have corrupted the media into helping them attempt a soft coup against the President of the United States.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      My question is: Did Page know he was the target of a FISA warrant?

      It’s bad enough that the FBI presented one of their sources as a foreign agent. It would be way worse if that source was in on the plan. Imagine how convenient that would be for the FBI. They could tell Page exactly what to do and say to entrap people on the Trump team, or Trump himself, or at least make it look like they are guilty of something.

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      • Bryan Alexander says:

        Good question. Unless he was part of the inner circle (Brennan, Clapper) he probably didn’t know why they sent him into the Trump Campaign, initially. The first time he saw his name mentioned with “FISA warrant”, he knew why they sent him in.
        (hmm, thinking about the implications of that)
        Page had to be trusted pretty highly by the CIA/FBI to not blow the whistle on them. It has been two years since this first broke, but only now is he acknowledging his CIA connections. Yeah, he was trusted to do what he was told. And he did.

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      • Beau Geste says:

        Covfefe999, Your observation is very important, IMHO. Page is clearly a deep state agent, not a “foreign agent”. By fraudulently obtaining a FISA warrant on him, under the “2 hop rule”, the FBI/CIA can provoke, tailor, and create “evidence” in the heat and fog of campaign combat. The coup plotters can instruct Page to email or call anyone of their choosing, with provacative questions or information. That is “one direct hop”, anyone the coup plotters want to entrap. Then, the provocative question/information can go to a “second hop” to anyone else => “what do you think of this from carter page?”

        Given the unscrupulous nature of the coup plotters, This seems like such a “perfect” way to manipulate and entrap targets, that it MUST have been in use with other FISA warrants as well, to construct “parallel evidence”.

        AG Barr should get all records and handlers for FISA plant practice, in addition to this carter page plant example.

        The FISC has taken no action to discipline fraud on the court. The FISC took no action to withdraw fraudulently obtained warrants. This is remarkable in itself, that th FISC remains complicit without carrying out its constitutional duty to protect the 4th Amendment rights of citizens who are not even represented in its Secret Star Chamber proceedings. Remarkable, and corrupt. How many of the FISC judges have CIA connections?

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        • Matthew LeBlanc says:

          I wonder if AG Barr has “history” with spook Page from his time in the CIA…………………

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          • Beau Geste says:

            Spook Page is younger, born 1971, so might not have ever come to Barr’s attention. Barr, born 1950, worked for the CIA from 1973 to 1977, when Page was 2 – 7 years old. Barr likely stays connected to the CIA, especially especially through White House 82 – 83 years and second WH-AG stint 89 – 93, while Page was at the Naval Academy, graduating in 93. But they likely share a loyalty to “the company”.

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    • lfhbrave says:

      Could Carter Page be the “source” and “method” the house intel committee from both sides and FBI have been trying to hide.

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      • dwpender says:

        Interesting idea, but I can’t believe Nunes (among others) would want this hidden if it were true.

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        • lfhbrave says:

          Nunes & Co. are restrained by the rules, not by their intent. That could explain why he keeps referring the FISA as “spying on a U.S. citizen”, instead of calling it “spying on Trump”. Perhaps he wants the focus squarely on Page and hopes the fact will eventually reveal the most damning aspect of the whole conspiracy.

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    • OlderAndWiser says:

      Bryan, Thanks for the lookup.
      Council of Foreign Relations??? That’s the smoking gun. CFR is totally globalist and big bureaucracy. Only 2 US Presidents in the last 40 years were not members of CFR: RR and DJT.

      Highly suspicious of this cat now.

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  33. covfefe999 says:

    I had asked above, because I couldn’t remember, if there was any evidence that the FBI attempted to secure FISA warrants on anyone other than Page. I did a little search and found this old Guardian article which we have all seen, from Jan 10 2017 so this was before Trump’s inauguration. I don’t think we have any actual evidence that there were other FISA warrant attempts, just hearsay from propaganda media. I cannot accept this Guardian claim, not without better evidence. (Does anyone have any?) Think about the timing of the article. The traitors had lost the election and were in full panic mode. Trump was the new President, soon to be inaugurated. The FISA warrant on Carter Page was a scam, the FBI knew that Page wasn’t a Russian agent, he was a source for them! They had to cover it up, make it look like Page wasn’t the only target of a FISA warrant. (That’s my current line of thinking at least.)

    The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts

    Again, is there any evidence that the FBI tried to get a FISA warrant on anyone other than Carter Page?

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    • covfefe999 says:

      During a hearing on Dec. 19 [2018] with former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, the transcript of which was released on Monday, Jackson Lee mentioned three other individuals.

      “I want to talk about the spring, summer, and autumn of 2016. Carter Page, at the time, was suspected of being a Russian asset; George Papadopoulos had told the Australian ambassador that Russians had Hillary [Clinton] emails; Paul Manafort had been named Trump campaign manager; Michael Flynn was Trump’s chief national security adviser and foreign policy adviser and, just yesterday, had a continuance in his sentencing,” Jackson Lee said. “One thing that all of these persons had in common was that each was the subject of a FISA Court investigation, which we now know, and all were directly connected to Trump. As attorney general, you had the authority to oversee FISA application process. Is that correct?”

      Lynch replied “yes,” after which Justice Department lawyer Bradley Weinsheimer cut in to say Jackson Lee’s question “potentially gets into possibly classified information and also equities in an ongoing investigation.” https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democrat-claims-four-trump-campaign-officials-targeted-by-fisa-investigations

      Notice how it’s Sheila Jackson Lee who links Papadopoulos and Flynn and Manafort to the FISC. But she doesn’t come out and say directly that these three guys were the subjects of FISA warrants, or that attempts were made to secure FISA warrants on them, only that “each was the subject of a FISA Court investigation” (whatever that means). Lee’s statement was carefully crafted by the Dems to put out their narraive. Hey everyone, it wasn’t just Carter Page, it was these other guys too! Because if it were only Page, that would be really really really bad.

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    • dwpender says:

      George Papadopoulis has stated many times –adamantly and without reservation — that there was a FISA on him, as well as ones on Manafort and Flynn.

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    • Mac says:

      Remember that there are different types of FISA warrants which allow varying levels of surveillance. The warrants on Manafort, Papadpoulos and Flynn appear to be Title III warrants which are very narrow and specific as to what techniques can be used and what information can be targeted. The surveillance is also restricted to the targeted individual. The October Page FISA warrant was a Title I warrant, which is a much broader warrant . It allows blanket surveillance of the target as well as allowing surveillance on peripheral parties with whom he has contact. In order to gain the Title I warrant on Page, the government needed not only the Papa “info” and the Page associations with Russia, over the years, but they needed some intelligence which suggested a much broader pattern of influence within the Trump Campaign. That was provided by the Steele Dossier.

      Now, look at Page’s position. If he was an agent in place for the FBI/CIA, in the Trump Campaign, he has some serious problems. If he knew about the October FISA warrant, and, considering his continued contact with members of the campaign after he left in September, that is very possible, he could be in actual criminal legal trouble. Either way, it is in his self interest to try to convince the world at large that he was an innocent dupe.

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  34. The main point here is that Page was CIA, “for decades”. Never mind, for the moment, his FBI association; the FBI obviously inherited his cooperation from the CIA. The same is true for Peter Strzok, who was working throughout for both the CIA and FBI at the same time. Look at pictures of them both side by side: Carter Page and Peter Strzok, two peas in a pod, smug believers in their own invincibility, their own superiority over any truth. Good Cop, Bad Cop, with Page the former and Strzok the latter.

    Which came first, the Obama politicization and weaponization of those and the other main federal agencies, to “get” Trump (before and after he became President), or the subornation of the FBI by the CIA (and the latter, echoing the subornation of the black “civil rights” movement by Muslim jihadists like Malcolm X and Louis Farrakhan)?

    Make no mistake, we are dealing with treason, nothing less, and on more than one level. This goes back to 1930 and the founding of the Black Muslims.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      I’m beginning to think that the use of a known and trusted sources as the target of a FISA warrant was a new idea during the last year of the Obama administration. I do believe now that this was the “insurance policy”. Create a fake target out of a source and then proceed to fully surveil the entire Trump team and Trump himself. They couldn’t stop us from electing Trump but they thought they could remove him from office after the election. Well, that insurance policy didn’t pay off, and hopefully the people who concocted the policy will be brought to justice.

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      • JIM COMEY IS A WEASEL_DOUG says:

        This group has raised questions, sufficient in my mind to suspend judgement on Carter Page as a “victim”. If I was called a spy by the Russian government (not infered, EXPRESSED) I would be screaming from the rooftops!! Of course, that’s not “evidence”.

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  35. Firefly says:

    Andrew McCarty wrote an article explaining the fisa laws pertaining to a foreign agent. Item (B) stood out to me.

    (B) pursuant to the direction of an intelligence service or network of a foreign power, knowingly engages in any other clandestine intelligence activities for or on behalf of such foreign power, which activities involve or are about to involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;

    “Pursuant to the direction of an intelligence service” … “engages in clandestine activities for”
    Indicates Carter Page was asked to help the IC. This is the wording under the foreign agent fisa law. Hence we might be wrong in assuming the fisa warrant was issued by the IC saying Carter Page was a foreign agent. If this is the case, then the question becomes what justification did the FBI need to request Carter Page. Carter Page isn’t paid.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/adam-schiff-memo-carter-page-fisa-warrant-fbi-should-have-interviewed/

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  36. GrantWood says:

    How are we supposed to ever being governed by a Democratic administration again now that we know, really know, their goals. Laws and the Constitution mean nothing to them but are the barriers to their ultimate plan which is Marxist fascism.

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  37. Perot Conservative says:

    Overlooked?

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  38. FishtheDish says:

    I wonder if Barr and other investigators of the investigators read this stuff. It would sure help them to put a timeline together and go after pertinent documents and interviews.

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    • lurker2 says:

      They’ve got the full set of unredacted Strzok-Page text messages and all of the court docs, grand jury material, etc. I think the Strzok-Page texts alone probably would create a very detailed timeline. Those two idiots couldn’t shut up!

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  39. Conservative_302 says:

    I agree. After reading above, the Carter Page narrative makes no sense at all. Top 10% of his class at the academy, trident scholar, etc. He portrays himself at a innocent victim. The FBI goes after him and he is clueless? Wouldn’t one of his Intel buddies have given him a heads up or wouldn’t he be smart enough to know he is be surveiled? Isn’t the “spook” world his thing? In the end he is completely innocent which makes the FBI look like the most incompetent org. On the planet. I hope they all go down with hard time. What a bunch of traitors. I don’t want to pay taxes anymore.

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  40. Brenrod says:

    “t never made sense that U.S. Person Carter Page was an FBI witness from 2013 through to March/May 2016 and yet in October 2016, to achieve a FISA warrant, the FBI called him an agent of a foreign government.” ……

    I have been saying for many months that the assertion by the FBI that Carter page was a Russian agent when he had just finished years of work For the FBI is a ridiculous assertion. However in my opinion Sundance has gone off on a tangent and missed the most important implications of this news event: that Carter page has now admitted in public to being a de facto employee of the CIA and FBI. The implication that Sundance has missed in this event is that the FBI and DOJ knowingly lied to the FISA court when they asserted that page was a Russian spy. This is in fact the biggest caught red-handed event of the entire debacle and should not be missed. This event deserves a great deal more attention and investigation than has been given to it:
    1 The FBI clearly intentionally lied to the FISA court and this lie clearly reveals the extent of the conspiracy and those involved.
    2 did the FISA judges know that Carter Page was an agent of the FBI and CIA, were they involved in this conspiracy?
    3 was Carter Page really an “unwitting” target or was he in fact a knowledgeable participant playing the same role he has played in the past. I understand he also has a background in Naval intelligence. He has never appeared to be worried about being caught as a Russian spy so it is likely that he was knowledgeable but is playing the role of an unwitting target.

    The dossier can be argued about and clearly points out, to me, that it was a hoax and a conspiracy fabricated in the USA. However, they will find a way to justify it on many levels even admitting they were spying but that they had a predicate to spy. Barr has already given us this as a potential out for them. However if they knowingly lied to the FISA court that Carter page was a Russian spy, this would be a material crime. Also, if they revealed to the court that he was an employee of theirs then the court was complicit in the conspiracy, which is an even bigger crime. Certainly it would prove the extent to which this conspiracy reached in our government, Congress and judiciary.

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    • L. E. Joiner says:

      Interesting analysis. My guess is that the FBI will claim that, although he worked for the CIA, they thought he might be a double agent, also working for the Russians. Some wiggle room there? /LEJ

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  41. Ace of Space says:

    Carter Page just said that he was helping CIA and FBI for FREE? What about that indictment of the 2 Russian spies in 2012-2013 where Carter Page was the Undercover Paid Employee Male-1 where he handed over FBI “bugged” binders to those Russian spies? Page was working for FBI at the time getting paid as informant, “Posing as energy sector…analyst….” So he was indeed paid for his work on these operations! He is lying! The question is now: was he knowingly used in the FBI-CIA effort to get the FISA warrant and spy on the Trump Campaign? Probably, remember no charges, no arrests, no indictments because he was paid employee by CIA or FBI and immune from prosecution, he was a PATSY, but I think he was working with them to SPY on Trump campaign during his time volunteering for it. Trying to play victim and how they took advantage of him, etc. Yeah right? He is way too smart and educated and knowledgeable to act like he did not know what was going on!

    The FISA warrant on him was definitely FAKE regardless if he was spying for them on Trump, a plant or not, all that FISA stuff was made up and completely fake and illegal right?

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    • Lilly says:

      Right on!!
      If you ever read the book “Blink”,
      Some people have a gut instinct whenever something just doesn’t seem quite right. I always had that feeling when I saw Carter Page on TV. He just wasn’t pissed off at all. His facial expressions are not of someone who’s world is crashing down on him.
      And… With Papade, I read his book. The one thing that I kept thinking was why is this guy continually agreeing to meet with one shady character after another? Even after he knew these people where likely out to get him. Then he Gets married to Someone working with Misfud at Linked-In??? Get me a break!

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  42. covfefe999 says:

    Oh check this out, while looking for some info about Page’s earlier work I came across this Feb 2018 Daily Caller article. I’m sure we saw this before but I’d forgotten about it https://dailycaller.com/2018/02/07/was-carter-page-undercover-fbi-informant/

    A theory gaining traction about Carter Page in some quarters of the Web is that the former Trump campaign adviser worked as an undercover FBI agent to help bust a Russian spy ring operating in New York City in 2013. The theory goes that Page, an energy consultant, worked undercover for the FBI to bug a covert Kremlin agent. But Page dispelled that speculation on Tuesday, telling The Daily Caller News Foundation that he “never did anything of that variety.”

    It gets better:

    Internet sleuths drew attention to a March 11, 2016 press release from the Justice Department that described an FBI undercover employee who bugged Sporyshev, the Russian trade representative. “The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (‘UCE-1’), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company,” the press release states. “In response to requests from Sporyshev, UCE-1 provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by UCE-1 and supporting documentation relating to UCE-1’s reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices.”

    I think Fox shouldn’t be using Page as a pundit any more.

    He’s supposedly suing the DNC for defamation or something like that, but even though he’s not an attorney he’s representing himself. His first lawsuit was tossed out, I think he submitted a second. You’d think a 44 year old smart guy with so much experience could hire a competent attorney.

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    • distracted2 says:

      I agree with you. Either Hannity has been snookered by him or he hopes Page will eventually say something helpful. I’m betting Hannity has been snookered.

      And the idea that Page has never been paid by an intelligence operation is just as ridiculous. Hannity just didn’t pose the question broadly enough.

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  43. Lester Smith says:

    Page and that dumb ass smile really gave it away. No one is this stupid and an able to weather being a naval University cadet. This guy is dumb as a fox. He played the victim so as to keep tabs onTrumps responses and counter measures through his contacts within the Trump administration. Was he on the CIA and or FBI payroll during all this? Is he still being compensated?

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