Devin Nunes Op-Ed Reflects Intelligence Dance to Thread a Needle…

HPSCI Ranking Member Devin Nunes has an excellent op-ed today in the Washington Examiner where he discusses the end of the Russia collusion-conspiracy hoax. Everything inside the op-ed is 100% accurate; however, something very important is missing.

By now everyone knows there were two parallel operations, two investigative paths, at work in the 2016 election. There was an official government investigation, Crossfire Hurricane via the FBI; and an unofficial investigation, dossier assembly via Chris Steele and Fusion GPS.  Both operations originated in synergy with the vast Russian conspiracy narrative.

One operation was a function of elements outside the traditional framework of government via Fusion GPS. The second operation was specifically happening inside government spurred by CIA Director John Brennan and with the delivery of his “EC” officially creating the Crossfire Hurricane counterintelligence investigation.

Crossfire Hurricane, began on July 31st, 2016.  Later in the year, the FBI investigation merged with the Fusion GPS investigation through the use of the Steele Dossier; and that led to the FISA application on Carter Page as a way to enmesh the two tracks.

 

Devin Nunes does an excellent job explaining the Fusion-GPS network, which includes: Glenn Simpson, Nellie Ohr, Christopher Steele and eventually DOJ official Bruce Ohr. Bruce was the bridge to import opposition research (The Dossier) from the private sector and inject it into the FBI intelligence apparatus.

This Fusion-GPS operation, as Nunes correctly describes, culminated with the Steele Dossier being transferred into the FBI.  Again, I strongly urge everyone to read the Op-ed.

However, there is a stark absence within Nunes’ outline; there is something completely missing, “the second operation“.  The operation that originated from within the U.S. government in early 2016. The CIA operation started by John Brennan.

The external team, Glenn Simpson and Nellie Ohr et al, could not instruct Joseph Mifsud (Maltese Professor, FBI/CIA asset), or Alexander Downer (Australian Diplomat), or Stephan Halper (U.K. Academic and FBI/CIA asset), or Charles Tawil (Israeli CIA asset) to make contact with George Papadopoulos, Mike Flynn or Carter Page. Those contacts were covert and (un)official government missions for the weaponized U.S. intelligence apparatus.

I can understand why Devin Nunes would want to avoid attention on the second ‘inside government’ operation due to collateral damage that might hit our intelligence capabilities, ie. FISA.  Indeed, with Mr. Nunes in charge of keeping those intelligence capabilities intact, he has somewhat of a conflicted professional interest in full exposure.

However, let me state clearly I’m very concerned the U.S. intelligence system is going to take the same approach toward defending their conflicted interests that Devin Nunes is taking inside this op-ed.

Heck, it would not be a leap to anticipate CIA Director John Brennan, ODNI James Clapper and Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe counting on exactly this inherent conflict helping their own escape from accountability.

The Steele Dossier did not originate Crossfire Hurricane.  CIA Director John Brennan ran an operation from February through July 2016 to create the Crossfire Hurricane investigation run by FBI Agent Peter Strzok.  The Dossier was on any entirely different track.

Devin Nunes has been a solid and trustworthy patriot throughout.  Unfortunately, while many people might not notice the gaping hole inside his op-ed, those of us who do notice have a reason to be concerned….

…[…] “Having extensively investigated this abuse, House Intelligence Committee Republicans will soon be submitting criminal referrals on numerous individuals involved in these matters. These people must be held to account to prevent similar abuses from occurring in the future. The men and women of our intelligence community perform an essential service defending American national security, and their ability to carry out their mission cannot be compromised by biased actors who seek to transform the intelligence agencies into weapons of political warfare.”  – more

Do not let the Deep State bad actors escape by only holding outside conspirators accountable.

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448 Responses to Devin Nunes Op-Ed Reflects Intelligence Dance to Thread a Needle…

  1. WSB says:

    I read this op-ed as a Phase I.

    Devin himself saw the unmasking, so he has already made public his knowledge of the surveillance that was being passed but had “nothing to do with Russia.”

    Devin has a womderful Type B engineer’s style of unpacking a complex problem.

    I will be interested to see Devin interact with Maria Bartiromo tomorrow morning.

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    • CopperTop says:

      My sentiments exactly… said sooooo much better by you WSB.

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      • WSB says:

        You are far too kind CopperTop. But thank you. Once we see Devin candidly answering questions, we will know.

        And President Trump will never let the other operation go. His survival depends on it.

        If not Devin, then another.

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        • Maquis says:

          I dare say, Sister, our survival depends on it too!

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        • duchess01 says:

          Agree, WSB – it is all about timing – if you (general you) think we have a hard time here keeping up with Sundance – can you imagine with what the ‘brainwashe’ public’ will have to absorb as each piece of the puzzle is unveiled?

          “If not Devin, then another.” – Absotutalutely!!!

          Not throwing in the towel on Brennan and the Gang – they will get theirs – imho

          We have only just begun!

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          • mark says:

            This can’t be delayed a bit. If it is delayed then its going to be portrayed as completely political and part of Trump’s 2020 campaign. If it is done immediately…that assumes that Barr immediately acts on the criminal referrals then it can logically be explained as waiting until the Meuller report is closed etc. Bad idea to think releasing this stuff into 2020 campaign is going to be effective.

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            • duchess01 says:

              Please be reasonable, mark – Look at how Sundance builds his case – with evidence – if there is anything missing – one cannot indict – and definitely not prosecute – what we have learned from Sundance is – that it cannot be rushed or they will walk –

              The opposition has a bad habit of hiding evidence, too – it is not as easy as it appears – if it was up to us – they would not be around to wreak havoc – patience.

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              • Apollo says:

                What I learned from the 2018 elections was that waiting around for justice to come to the conspirators against PDJT, and kept complacent by assurances that it’s always just around the corner… leads to no charges, no arrests, no consequences, AND decidedly non-MAGA electoral results.

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                • duchess01 says:

                  Nothing about the 2018 election was memorable – except for the fact that nothing has changed with respect to elections – we have no choice, but to wait for justice to be served – we have no control over who, what, when, where and why – we have no power to arrest anyone let alone investigate anyone – so what can we do – but, pray and wait.

                  PT has only been in office for 2 years – did anyone expect him to drain the swamp in that short period of time? It takes time to collect evidence, empower a grand jury, indict, and prosecute. Before PT’s election to office – was anyone doing this? – No – and yet – people expect it to be done quickly and swiftly with a corrupt FBI, DOJ, Congress, and the like in office.

                  Nobody is being complacent – or believing in unicorns – we must be patient and let all of this take its natural course.

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          • inspectorudy says:

            I really hate to tell you that at least 40% of the public has ZERO interest in what happens to the FBI or DoJ. Most can’t even tell you what the acronyms mean. My wife and I are constantly embarrassed by our friends for the lack of knowledge or curiosity about this sedition. Just like the expected hammer of Thor from IG Horowitz, we got a snoozer with no indictments. Don’t count on the public and you can bet the msm will do their part to see that as few people as possible find out the about it.

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            • duchess01 says:

              I agree, Inspector – I am very much aware of the ignorance of the American public – however – little by little information is coming out that cannot be ignored – when what happens begins to affect the lives of ordinary Americans – that is when they will begin to question what they are being told – it takes time to awaken a populace that has not only been asleep – but also brainwashed into believing everything that is reported on the LSM. It can and will change – after all – we do have some people in the LSM who are reporting the truth – I am optimistic.

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      • Little Berkeley Conservative says:

        I can’t like, but I wholeheartedly agree with you CT and WSB!

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    • WSB- Agree.

      I just finished reading the op-ed and I thought it was a solid, well written piece. I don’t think it was intended in any way, shape or form to be as detailed or hyper technical as any of Sundance’s articles.

      Most of the people who are reading it have not been exposed to the wealth of knowledge
      that we Treepers have received from these pages.

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      • montanamel says:

        LIKE….^^^^^^^
        dang WordPress won’t let me like anyone now…have to sign in every posting… Will only take it from the reply box, not from that window for “liking” someone on the fly.

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        • Deplorable_Infidel says:

          Your not alone, I think I have been dealing with those WordPress issues for about 3 to 4 weeks now.

          Liked by 4 people

        • Ospreyzone says:

          Just walk away from WordPress. You’ll have to give up the likes. WordPress will forever hound you, but once you change your screen name and address, you’ll be free from it’s tentacles.

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    • Mark McQueen says:

      Agree. I think it’s a bit premature to be trying to divine Nunes’ intentions from what he didn’t mention.

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    • YvonneMarie says:

      Agreed.

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    • mike says:

      Time to drop the remaining files on JFK. Declassify BHO’s domestic spying 2009 onwards, declassify anti-Trump 2015-2018 operations or earlier, then hang Brennan, and do whatever you do with eliminating enemy combatants with varying degrees of subtlety or publicity.

      Some heads on a pike too, works for me.

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      • WSB says:

        Indeed…ready for pitchforks.

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      • 2zymos says:

        Also very very important — get to the bottom of who Barry Soetoro, aka barack Hussein obama is/was –BS/BHO
        This question is EXACTLY the same as getting to the bottom of the brennan intel-system diversion-of-national-security-apparatus-to-“one-world”-government-implementation” issues–EXACTLY the same issue.
        If we can’t stomach and refuse to “get at that issue”, say it again, we will see a repeat deception/usurpation and repeat potential loss of a constitutional republic to an oligarchy/dictator tyranny.

        Other players that need “outing” for cia ties, besides brennan, VJ, Strzok, rice, include: evan mcmullen, schiff, anderson cooper, ted turner during CNN years, bill crystol, (mockingbird assets, other names?), loretta fuddy, Ann Dunham, GHWB, snowden, and more. Wholesale scrapping of “common narratives” will be required in light of “new” or “uncovered” information.

        Excellent circumstantial case can be made (evidenced based) that BHO is/was cia legacy family, cia asset (minimum) — from the same part of the cia that would work with steel, downer, misfud, brennan, isrealMOS agents, for “masters other than the US Constitution”.

        BS/BHO was a weaponized aggressive domestic deception operation to degrade then ultimately destroy US culture and political/mil/econ power.

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        • Patrick healy says:

          2zymos,
          Great list there. But what about George Sorearse?

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          • 2zymos says:

            Aahhh, yes correctly cited Mr. healy… many qualify but not enough time to name them all in one post… gonna be good to get started but a “big ask” to see it through to an adequate resolution and modify and implement “new procedures” for sufficiently guarding our rights.

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          • curley says:

            what about rosenstain, comeydrone#2

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            • 2zymos says:

              Yes also, but minor point… my initial list is about “those” who look to be tightly connected to CIA serving in covered positions in and out of Government. Soros = not considered for me but not likely a CIA constructed…
              Rosenstein also a “not likely” CIA op or cia asset. But worth a look-see…? sure.
              GHWB was an “oilman” for the cia.
              Is Schiff a Representative for the CIA — possible? Yep. Needs a dig for (1-5) 1 no, 2 not likely 3 don’t know 4 probably, 5 yes.

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              • 2zymos says:

                Maybe a short post about a “tell” for CIA connection.
                1) Judicial Related
                Media and Judges get all schizoid when initially handling CIA operatives/CIA agents/CIA assets: They are afforded “SPECIAL” procedures within the court under national security “laws” or “procedures” that often times gives away their status.
                Think Valerie Plame and all the “rig-a-ma-role” that went into who could say what when about who as “scooter libby” case moved forward.
                Ask sundance to explain what happens when a CIA asset gets caught up in a civil or criminal action — its way more convoluted than witness protection program although both cases look like herding cats in the initial stages.
                And dig into the “national security exemptions and privileges” in the sybil edmonds case.
                After that “dig”…
                Think about what happens when anyone tries to get obama into court????
                And Trump absolutely knows if schiff is in/out/inactive/retired what previous security clearances he holds/held before he became gang of eight.
                If he doesn’t, Pompeo does : ).
                We, J.Q.Public are at a disadvantage about knowing specifics but at great advantage in that we can see millions of things in millions of separate locations and then cross-level here.
                2) Business Related
                When businesses develops meteorically in “no-time” out of “nowhere” with “majik” involved and 5 or 6 miracles in a row “happen” for no accounts like zuckerberg — think cia, think deep state.
                Think Howard Hughes
                GHWB Zapata “oilman” from west TX
                Typical characters for this “operation” (for consideration)
                Bill Gates jr son of Bill Gates (CIA)
                Zuckerberg (of course)
                @Jack twtr
                Ted Turner (yeah, assigned Jane Fonda doncha know)
                Anderson Cooper
                Jake tap-tap tapper (check it out, you might be surprised)
                Obama (“son” of Dunham CIA who was daughter of CIA agent HI)
                Snowden (maybe, probably, although he does have some “army specfor washout legend in his bio)
                (Pull together a list of Hollywood names)
                (Lawyers and law firms: who?, which firms?, perkins couie?)
                (Hedge fund and wall street and banker list too) Epstein comes to mind for you too?
                Very speculative nominations:
                – Warren Buffet and the batting 1000 (impossible without fab inside info) Berkshire “story” (cover)
                – Lucas and the revolution in movie graphics
                – the whole enron thing
                – tesla

                Yep… more later. Stay cold angry my cth friends

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      WSB totally agree….

      “bad-faith investigative actions by government officials” and
      ‘turning the full force of our intelligence agencies first against a political candidate and then against a sitting president.”

      Nunes acknowledges.

      This plot must be deconstructed turd by turd.
      First break the “REKNOWNED” Dossier to pieces then….
      break the set-up operation.

      Calling “our boy” Stefan home for a chat before a grand jury would be a nice start.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        Actually the first step is happening now….

        AG Barr resolving the Special Counsel issue by bringing it to it’s mandated “conclusion”
        Land the plane.

        DOJ must clear that off the their table.
        Throw it over to the gasbags in Congress.
        LET the politicians play professional hair-splitters with it.

        While hopefully DOH moves on to other things

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      • WSB says:

        Yes. It is obvious that Halper has done a lot of damage over the decades.

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    • John-Y128 says:

      What makes you so sure about a Phase II, nothing has happen towards that end since this whole ball of yard was unwound; AG Barr might stifle this FISA abuse exposure (for national security reasons), and Lord knows Sen. Graham isn’t doing anything, except campaigning for re-election.

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      • WSB says:

        I don’t think any of us can be sure of anything.

        However, from what we know McCabe did allude to taking everyone down with him, so I would think squeezing the lower tiered operatives would implicate the upper-tiered ones.

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        • John-Y128 says:

          Indeed, similar to what Mueller tried to do, but how is it McCabe isn’t in solitary confinement already? That’s my point, everybody at CTH thinks there a reckoning coming, I’ve not seen ANY evidence the federal government is looking for anything other than Russians within the Trump administration and now were adding the IRS to the Hoax.

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    • budklatsch says:

      Devin has been sent by the Angels to do God’s work and God cannot be more satisfied.

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    • William Schneider says:

      WSB, I pray you are correct but have serious misgivings as does Sundance as to whether Nunes will finish the job. I certainly pray he does go after Brennan and his gang of hustlers/monsters enemies of the USA. All need to be punished for sure.

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    • Ralph says:

      Why is he stopping at senior officials in the FBI? Senior officials at DOJ compounded the coup attempt. And, according to Clapper’s statement, even the WH was involved. Involved beyond “wink, wink, nudge, nudge”!

      Nunes is protecting the real felons by limitation of his statement only to law enforcement. Obviously, hasn’t the stomach to really examine what’s behind the curtain,

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  2. jeans2nd says:

    Devin Nunes, just now w/John Batchelor – there will be some 2 dozen criminal referrals, details to be discussed this Sunday with Maria B on Sunday Morning Futures.

    Rep Nunes describes those involved as “dirty cops,” and mentions specifically those at the top of the FBI/DOJ as the targets of the criminal referrals.
    Rep Nunes appears to see the two “investigative” paths converging into one operation. Iow, Brennan and Crossfire Hurricane became the Mueller Dossier. imo

    Rep Nunes does appear to be overlooking the Brennan/CIA operation, and the seriousness of the Brennan/CIA angle of this hoax. Rep Nunes is furious, though, at the quest for power of the Democrats and their Deep State and media allies, and is furious at the hoax that is still be run on the American people.

    We shall see…

    Would recommend a listen to this two part interview when it is posted later on The John Batchelor Show. RSS feed – https://audioboom.com/channels/4002274.rss

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  3. spoogels says:

    The Folly of the Mueller Investigation

    By Andrew C. McCarthy

    https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/04/22/the-folly-of-the-mueller-investigation/

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  4. sundance says:

    One of my concerns is that the American electorate have already been groomed to believe Russians interfered in the election. The DNC server hack is used as the evidence therein.

    There is no factual basis to believe Russians hacked into the DNC. That was/is a manufactured claim by the DNC using Crowdstrike…. The Obama IC then used that as evidence for the Vast Russian Conspiracy that doesn’t exist.

    Additionally, there is a real and genuine concern that all of these weaponized intelligence systems can be re-weaponized again with the flip of an election switch.

    In my opinion we have given up enough liberty in the quest for security. When we see 40 FBI agents working on a manufactured Russia collusion-conspiracy ruse, we see stunning evidence our government has gone too far in building the systems that allow weaponization.

    If that makes sense.

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    • CopperTop says:

      Brad Parscale #1 job is to tackle the electorate you so rightly are concerned about. Methinks he’s up for it.

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    • MaineCoon says:

      Yes, that makes sense. Perfect sense.

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    • Zorro says:

      Interesting Seth Rich info…

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    • Conrad says:

      The DNC server hack will be, I expect , President Obama’s excuse for FISA authorization as soon as he gets challenged for abuse of power.
      We must not let the Crowdstrike report remain unchallenged. I don’t believe for a minute that server was hacked. But all the gaslighting has too many people thinking it’s true.
      Very dangerous.

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      • strateshooter says:

        Bingo.
        I do not believe any server was hacked except HRC server by the Russ and /or Chinese.
        The fact that the DNC server was never handed over to the FBI is a DISGRACE. Cowardice from Comey.
        26 of the 37 Mueller indictments were Russ hackers (supposedly)…. mostly complete BS but used time and time again by Dems to support this farce.
        All very disgraceful.

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        • cantcforest says:

          I can’t see why Russia or China would risk hacking HRC server when they could get (most if not all / a lot) of the info from the Awan family or Weiner’s laptop.

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          • V says:

            Replying to strateshooter at April 6, 2019 at 4:04 am
            Agreed!

            !It’s obvious to me that the Mueller team indicted the 13 Russians, 3 companies in the IRA case on 16 Feb 2018 and the 12 “GRU” conspirators in July 2018, just to show numbers, evidenced by the way the MSM continually harps on how many people Mueller team indicted.

            Here’s more on that, starting at March 27, 2019 11:18 pm
            http://archive.is/JTOzg
            ____________

            The Dems pushing for full disclosure of the Mueller Report don’t know they’re stepping into a minefield! Mueller’s “investigations,” tactics, use of fabricated “evidence,” omission of exculpatory evidence will be exposed and torn to shreds. And it would be very funny if in his indictment in the above-mentioned IRA case against 13 Russians, 3 companies, the Mueller stupids unwittingly blow the cover of a UK/US Deepstate – Cambridge Analytica front in St. Petersburg! (details in archived link above). Haaaaaaaaa.

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            • V says:

              We’ll see what comes out. It’s possible that the IRA in St. Petersburg, Russia, could be a UK/US intel front connected to Cambridge Analytica.

              Cambrdige Analytica is one of the companies tied to Facebook’s huge data breach of its users. Data mining for psychological control over populations.

              I remember reading that Mueller investigated Cambridge Analytica, but then dropped it. (The Trump campaign had some representatives from Cambridge Analytica, but never used their data.)

              Interesting tweet at Brennan’s Twitter:

              “StopHimNow
              ‏@Saintsfan5348
              Replying to @JohnBrennan

              Incredibly bad take Mr Brennan. I expected more of you. The #BarrLetter doesn’t tell us anything. We need to see it all.
              #ReleaseTheFullMuellerReport
              #BarrCoverUp

              [Text of jpg:]

              Christopher Wylie 22m [No date visible]
              Whatever this report says, here’s what I know: when I was at Cambridge Analytica, the company hired known Russian agents, had data researchers in St Petersburg, tested US voter opinion on Putin’s leadership, and hired hackers from Russia – all while Bannon was in charge.”

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            • strateshooter says:

              V – thanks for the info.
              It just blows my mind that every time a stone is turned over on this thing more roaches appear.
              The scale of the effort to STOP and OBSTRUCT Donald Trump is just staggering/mind blowing.
              It is scary that so many rich and powerful interests combined to over turn the demonstrated will of the American people.

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        • V says:

          We’ll see what comes out. It’s possible that the IRA in St. Petersburg, Russia, could be a UK/US intel front connected to Cambridge Analytica.

          Cambrdige Analytica is one of the companies tied to Facebook’s huge data breach of its users. Data mining for psychological control over populations.

          I remember reading that Mueller investigated Cambridge Analytica, but then dropped it. (The Trump campaign had some representatives from Cambridge Analytica, but never used their data.)

          Interesting tweet at Brennan’s Twitter:
          twitter.com/JohnBrennan/status/1110556150359982080

          “StopHimNow
          ‏@Saintsfan5348
          Replying to @JohnBrennan

          Incredibly bad take Mr Brennan. I expected more of you. The #BarrLetter doesn’t tell us anything. We need to see it all.
          #ReleaseTheFullMuellerReport
          #BarrCoverUp

          [Text of jpg:]

          Christopher Wylie 22m [No date visible]
          Whatever this report says, here’s what I know: when I was at Cambridge Analytica, the company hired known Russian agents, had data researchers in St Petersburg, tested US voter opinion on Putin’s leadership, and hired hackers from Russia – all while Bannon was in charge.”

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          • V says:

            MUELLER’S SOURCES OF “EVIDENCE” AGAINST RUSSIA:

            It was FACEBOOK who first fingered the Internet Research Agency (IRA) as interfering in the 2016 Presidential election:

            https://amp.dailycaller.com/2019/01/07/alabama-false-flag-democrats/

            “Here Are The Obama-Era Officials Allegedly Behind The Alabama False Flag Campaign”

            ““Roy Moore flooded with fake Russian Twitter followers,” read the headline on a New York Post story….”

            “The cost of the effort, which was funded by liberal billionaire Reid Hoffman, totaled $100,000 — the identical amount Facebook says the Russian Internet Research Agency spent trolling people on social media leading up to the 2016 presidential election.”

            FACEBOOK who allowed Cambridge Analytica to access Facebook users’ data.

            ———–

            What a scenario!

            Mueller indictment of 12 “GRU” conspirators – because CROWDSTRIKE fingered them.

            Mueller indictment of IRA – 13 Russians, 3 companies, one of which didn’t exist at the time of the alleged wrongdoing – because FACEBOOK fingered them.

            What do the Russians have to say about this?

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            • V says:

              And they’re both connected to anti-Russia, pro-Clinton, pro-NATO, pro-Soros, anti-Trump ATLANTIC COUNCIL.

              Crowdstrike’s Dmitri Alperovitch is a Fellow at The Atlantic Council.
              Facebook funds The Atlantic Council.

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      • farrier105 says:

        It was more than a “server hack” according to Crowdstrike. The entire network was compromised. That means every server, including any VIRTUAL servers, all the desk tops and laptops. It was a full-blown NETWORK hack, according to Crowdstrike. The emails were on a Microsoft Exchange server. Those email accounts that were accessed without authorization, were done by inboxes, which means authentications were stolen or bypassed in particular inboxes. The first two tranches of stolen emails were taken on 5/23 and 5/25. According to the Mueller indictment of the 12 Russian NAMES, the Russians knew Crowdstrike (by name) was on the DNC network watching them on or before 5/31/2016. They probably knew it before. IF Russians were even in that network at the time, which is doubtful.

        I do not believe the Russians stole those emails and gave them to Wikileaks. We are about to see Julian Assange apprehended in London at any hour or day, according to the headlines. The transfer of those emails to Wikileaks were part of the scheme to arrest, extradite, and prosecute Assange for espionage. Framing Assange as a Russian agent was integral with that plan. Using the publication of the DNC emails by Wikileaks at least partially won over the left to the position that Assange is an “enemy or our democracy. The left wants Assange’s head on a pike now. Whether or not Seth Rich served as a cut-out/courier for the transfer to Wikileaks is unknown, IF HE WAS INVOLVED AT ALL. It was the Deep State that had motive to frame Assange and to, as Sundance indicated, use the DNC email affair to GROOM THE PUBLIC to accept Russian interference in the election.

        Too many people argue backward from the CONCLUSION (Seth Rich did it) to the evidence instead of going from the evidence FORWARD. You have to erase your conclusion and start at the beginning. The DNC hack story began percolating in 2015, not 2016. No one heard of Seth Rich in 2015.

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    • bertdilbert says:

      It has always been my belief that the biggest danger was use against political opponents from the very beginning before all this came about.

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    • Ziiggii says:

      Look the DNC hack is one of 2 things, NOTHING ELSE, it either a Bern Bro (ie our friend Seth) or its a confirmation that the CIA was utilizing tech created by/in partnership with the NSA (Vault 7) that was used for a political hit orchestrated in conjunction with the Clinton Campaign.

      Honestly, both of those options have valid arguments for/against, but it’s intellectually dishonest to believe any other story as to the who, what, when, where or why of the DNC hack.

      IMHO

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      • Maquis says:

        Assange’s impending expulsion from his sanctuary and subsequent US extradition may shake out the truth of the DNC “hack.”

        If he isn’t offed first.

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        • Ziiggii says:

          If he’s thrown out and arrested, he won’t live to tell the tell and we’ll have to figure it out from his DMS. The floodgates will open if he’s off’d!

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          • Maquis says:

            I hope a great deal comes out very soon.
            Hopefully without his end, I want his testimony on the DNC leak. That’s supernova level sunshine that would vaporize much of this farce.

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      • farrier105 says:

        They didn’t NECESSARILY have to use Vault 7 tech with Crowdstrike having unrestricted access to everything on the network. Crowdstrike could take the emails and give them to the FBI, or just let the FBI steal the emails and plant Russian breadcrumbs. I’ll get some stuff about the Mueller indictment of the 12 Russian NAMES and get back.

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    • aumechanic says:

      Yes, bring to mind the hacking system they said could make what ever country they wanted to look like the culprit. Haven’t heard it mentioned in a while. In other words our IC could make it show that Russia interfered.

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    • Dixie says:

      Makes darn good sense to me…..

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      • Your Tour Guide says:

        Crowdstrike is in the business of manufacturing evidence
        so that a crime can be charged down the line, when it’s
        convenient.

        How they operate is a high tech version of someone doing
        the following for revenge. Have someone steal your enemies
        wallet and ID, or get a duplicate of them.

        Then stage a robbery scene. Make it look like the thieves
        in their haste let their wallet fall out of their pocket. When the
        police call upon you, you tell them all the horrible things that
        the person who’s ID they’ve found has done.

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    • GB Bari says:

      It not only makes sense, it should be repeated as soon and as often as possible until we see the false assumptions fade from public discourse, at least by the Republicans and columnists who purport to support the President.

      I have been constantly angered to hear or read that assumption never get any pushback by people on our side who ought to know better. This darn foolish penchant among Establishment Republicans for trying to be seen as being polite and “civil” has allowed too many false narratives to continue uncontested.

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      • Deplorable_Infidel says:

        “This darn foolish penchant among Establishment Republicans for trying to be seen as being polite and “civil” has allowed too many false narratives to continue uncontested”

        Seeing that happen on FNC on a regular basis the past few years has pretty much soured me on any regular viewing.
        I catch the snippets here, JJ & GG from 9-11 pm on Saturday and have the DVR set to record Life, Liberty and Levin every Sunday.

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      • cwf60 says:

        They are not polite and civil but part of the uniparty. I will not be surprised if a number of them are named in the coup attempt.

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    • 🍺Gunny66 says:

      I cannot predict, but it may be interesting to bring Gen Flynn back into the fold.

      With his experience”knowing where the bodies are buried” we may be able to give these rogue agencies a good “haircut” so to speak.

      Of course National Security must be maintained, but the FBI was intended for solving crimes inherent to America……not to become the Gestapo with no over site or control.

      I still believe the FBI should be disbanded. A new agency created.

      But back to my point, Gen Flynn may be / could be a key aspect to this.

      May be off base. But there is a reason why they went after him first.

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    • Michael Todaro says:

      “The people are a beast.” The AOC contingent can’t tell you who or when America fought WWII. What does 9/11 mean ? Not joking !

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      • Lester Smith says:

        9/11 AOC thinks is like a movie staring her idol Jane Fonda. She’s a Sorros clown from the circus dumb azz.

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    • V says:

      Sundance April 5, 2019 at 9:50 pm

      Exactly!

      Shawn Henry and Dmitri Alperovitch should be asked under oath if Crowdstrike created Guccifer 2.0 and if Crowdstrike provided the “technical evidence” for Mueller’s indictments of the 12 “GRU” Russians.

      If A=B and B=C then A=C

      A – Crowdstrike
      B – Guccifer 2.0 – Game Over with the planted “Russian fingerprints”
      C – “The Conspirators” alleged by Mueller to be 12 GRU officials posing as Guccifer 2.0

      (Wikileaks never took the bait – never published Guccifer 2.0’s emails)

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      • V says:

        I just love this video with the Russian music soundtrack in the background, ridiculing the MSM’s muh Russia, in a summary of the exposé of Crowdstrike’s DNC email Russia “hack” by Guccifer 2.0 hoax with the planted “Russian fingerprints.” (It starts out showing the enemy line, but then changes completely to show the hoax within the first minute of the video.)

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        • V says:

          And the other big hoax:

          Fusion GPS’ bank records would show if they paid L. Jean Camp or April Lorenzen or any of her companies for the fabricated “Trump Organization” DNS logs falsely linking to Russian Alfa Bank.

          http://archive.is/1uwbE

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          • V says:

            If anyone cares to read more on the Alfa Bank – DNS logs fabrication to falsely implicate a “Trump Organization” server with Russia (it was not spam, it was deliberately fabricated), see the above archived thread starting at April 1, 2019 10:49 pm, with many links:

            TRACKING THE SOURCE AND
            THE MULTIPLE CHAINS OF CUSTODY AND
            THE USE OF THE FABRICATED DNS LOGS RE ALFA BANK

            DNS = Domain Name System

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        • farrier105 says:

          1. Seth Rich had to get the emails to Assange prior to June 12, 2016. He could not do it in “late spring/early summer,” which corresponds to the Mueller indictment claim of the July 18th date, only 4 days prior to the DNC convention.

          2. Seymour Hersh’s source is FBI. That source also states that: Seth Rich did this for money paid to him by Wikileaks, not because of patriotism or Bernie Sanders being cheated. Also, Hersch’s FBI source claimed Rich was not killed because of the emails, which is the main claim cited as evidence that he stole the emails and gave them to Wikileaks. Finally, Hersh never published this story. He was taped by Ed Butkowsky, I assume without Hersh’s knowledge. Hersh’s not publishing these claims is indicative of his being unable to verify them.

          Again, Rich might have been involved for motives unknown. To do what is being claimed, the following has to be proven by actual evidence:

          1. Rich had to access each email account by either knowing, or bypassing, the authentications of the owners of those inboxes. The emails were downloaded by inboxes. Not every inbox was accessed, only particular inboxes. Since no one can steal anything they do not know exists, Rich would have to know those emails would be in those particular inboxes, and not in others. How did he do that? Only someone with total acces s to everything on the network, and on May 23rd and 25th, when the emails were stolen, that was CROWDSTRIKE.

          2. Rich would have to access those inboxes from the DNC Exchange server WHILE CROWDSTRIKE WAS WATCHING HIM DO IT. If the Falcon Overwatch software works as claimed, this is a fact. Since most of the techs there came from McAfee, I have to think they produced such software and would be able to apprehend the insertion of a flash drive into the USB port of the Exchange server and watch everything Rich was doing. IF they let him get away with it, he was PART OF THE OPERATION. Those pushing this narrative are going to have to look at this. To get Assange, data had to be given to Wikileaks. The DNC emails are the key. If Rich stole them, he is part of it. That is one explanation for this if we MUST include that name in everything we do in opposition to this narrative.

          I want to attack THEIR narrative, not create a different one. The reason for this is as follows: In 1991-1993, I learned that the key to opposing such NWO operations as this is to ONLY ATTACK THEIR CLAIMS. Do not advance any alternative scenarios without first attacking their narrative and thrashing it. MAKE THEM PROVE WHAT THEY CHARGE. If you jump into an alternative theory, you are inviting them to attack that, rather than defend what they claim. You must make them PROVE WHAT THEY SAY, not provide them with unproven theories THEY CAN USE TO SMOKESCREEN THEIR NARRATIVE.

          Once your narrative is discredited, the other side uses that as “proof” of their narrative. Attack things like the Mueller indictment FIRST. Make them defend that stuff and deal with the burden of proof being on them. I learned his during the early 90s POW/MIA hearings in the Senate.

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          • V says:

            Good, Farrier105. Attack them from many vectors. Everybody pile on in their own effective way 🙂
            ———
            The Guccifer 2.0 video features a short clip of Seymour Hersch at the very end, and here is the full audio:
            (Longtime journalist, one of his claims to fame was exposing the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam war – who knows if he’s honest or a mouthpiece. He seems sincere in this recording. He didn’t realize he was being recorded or that it would see the light of day.)

            Journalist Sy Hersh Discusses Seth Rich Situation – Leaked Audio Raw

            He starts out denying that the Seth Rich murder was a political hit. It gets more interesting as it goes on.

            At 5:51 “It’s a Brennan operation….”

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        • mark says:

          Why do I watch this video above and think of Woh Nellie Ohr?????

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      • farrier105 says:

        I don’t think the Crowdstrike boys created Guccifer 2.0. My reason for this is Alperovitch and Henry were providing most of the information about the “hack” to Ellen Nakashima of the Washington Post. They did not tell Nakashima that any Russians stole the DNC emails, but that the Russians just “read” and “monitored” the emails. If the Crowdstrike people had known that this scheme required STOLEN EMAILS GIVEN TO WIKILEAKS, they would have told Nakashima that the Russians stole the emails. They did not make that claim. In fact, only TWO opposition research files about Trump were stolen, according to what Alperovitch and Henry told Nakashima. A great deal of the article went into making that story appear as plausible as possible. Someone crossed up Alperovitch and Henry by changing the play on the fly, or they always intended to keep some information from the Crowdstrike boys.

        Crowdstrike’s final report changed from what they told Nakashima on June 13th.

        June 13–Alperovitch and Henry tell the story to Nakashima.
        June 14–Front page article published, claims only opposition research stolen by Russians because sanctions make it difficult for Russians to get information about Trump. Henry quoted in article explaining why Russian spies would steal the two files, along with other Russian “expert” quoted in article.
        June 15–Guccifer 2.0 shows up, irate that he was accused of stealing only two documents when he was in DNC network for a year. Claims he SENT THE EMAILS TO WIKILEAKS ALREADY, and there is some documentation supporting this.
        After June 15–Crowdstrike final report contradicts what they told Ellen Nakashima. Hack is a catastrophe with even VoiP telephone conversations compromised on DNC network.

        See how this messes up the story?

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      • farrier105 says:

        Speaking of the DNC hack story starting in 2015, we have some indication that a Russian 2015 hack might have taken place. However, no traces of such a hack showed up on any DNC network logs for Yared Tamene to discover, nor did any of DNC’s IT staff find any traces in the system logs of unauthorized access.

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    • farrier105 says:

      I got involved recently in a spirited discussion on Twitter about the DNC hack with someone who kept demanding that I read the indictment of the 12 Russians accused by the Special Counsel’s office of committing the hack of the DNC. My arguments had nothing to do with the content of the indictment, and, since none of the 12 Russians were about to surrender themselves to face trial on the charges, there is no way to objectively verify the indictment’s contents. After all, indictments only establish PROBABLE CAUSE to bring someone to trial and obtain arrest and search warrants. Indictments do not establish guilt. I have read most of the indictment since then. When I read the comments in the indictment about the “Russians” deleting logs from at least three machines between DNC and DCCC networks, something was sort of jumping out at me. The indictment was reading as if the “Russians” were NOT deleting audit, event, and other system logs as they went along to cover their tracks, but doing it only an unspecified amount of time into the hack. For example, “Russian hackers” hang out in the Exchange server to “monitor” or “read” DNC emails, but leave the server without clearing the logs of their tracks. In fact, this goes on for weeks or months with no deletions of the logs. Suddenly, out of whimsy, or something else, they decide to clean logs. That is how it read to me, but I couldn’t be sure, so I went to media sources going back to early 2016 from the time the story broke in June through the publication of the DNC emails on July 22, 2016. I wanted to know if someone BIG made a statement that indicated the “Russians” did not delete the log entries highlighting their presence on the network. The NEW YORK TIMES provided such evidence in the December 13, 2016 article by Eric Lipton, David E. Sanger, and Scott Shane: The Perfect Weapon: How Russian Cyberpower Invaded the U.S.

      Michael E. Sussmann, the Perkins Coie attorney and former US Attorney specializing in Cybercrime, is quoted as follows about how concerned he was about not tipping off the “Russians” that the DNC knew the “Russians” were in their network:

      “You only get one chance to raise the drawbridge,” Mr. Sussmann said. “If the adversaries know you are aware of their presence, they will take steps to burrow in, or ERASE THE LOGS THAT SHOW THEY WERE PRESENT.”

      The above quote told me that Sussmann knew the Russians hadn’t deleted any of the audit, event, or other system logs that documented their presence in the DNC network, including the alleged Cozy Bear group, which was allowed to camp out on the DNC network for 11 months, thanks to a limp FBI response limited to primarily telephone calls. Of course, I was elated to read this as it is an incongruous thing for someone like Sussmann to say for the following reasons:

      1. Professional Russian intelligence operatives, who also hack, would almost certainly cover their tracks after every visit to a compromised network by deleting the logs that would give them away as part of their tradecraft. It should be noted that, in his seminal final report of the “Russian hack” of the DNC, Dmitri Alperovitch of Crowdstrike thought the “Russians” in the DNC network had a high level of tradecraft. Waiting weeks, or months, to eliminate such evidence as those system logs is not very impressive tradecraft. In fact, just about anyone could have hacked an apparently cardboard network like the DNC, not to mention the help the “Russians” received from the preposterous and incredible lack of response to it by just about everyone in authority who was involved. That would include everyone from James Comey to whomever he ordered to keep telephoning the DNC about “Russians” on their network.

      If the “Russians” did not, as a matter of daily routine, delete the audit and event logs from every server and workstation that they would access each day, they risked someone like Yared Tamene, a consultant hired by the DNC to find the alleged Russians on the DNC network, examining the logs to verify the FBI’s claims that “Russians” were on the DNC network. In fact, Sussmann’s quote tells us the “Russian hackers” did, in fact, leave the “fingerprints” of their presence in the audit and event logs. Somehow, those “fingerprints” did not inform Yared Tamene that “Russians” were present on the network, but Sussmann was sure the logs would contain that information.

      2. Sussmann is giving us a clue to something very important. Sussmann is explaining the inexplicable Incident Response operation run by cybersecurity firm Crowdstrike. Crowdstrike, with total access to the entire DNC network, capable of monitoring all the activity on the network, did nothing for 36 days but watch as the “Russians” plundered the DNC of their data. The desire of Mr. Sussmann, and the DNC management group involved in the Incident Response, was to keep the “Russians” in the dark about the fact their presence was known. This supposedly was the basis for Crowdstrike merely monitoring the hackers’ activities rather than trying to stop them from stealing data. Crowdstrike did not want the villains to finally get around to deleting the logs once they found out the DNC knew they were in the network. Well, we will see that the “Russians” allegedly did delete the logs, according to Special Counsel Mueller’s indictment, as well as steal all documents not nailed down while Crowdstrike let them do it.

      Why would it matter to Sussmann if the “Russians” deleted the logs in the first place? Crowdstrike claims to have identified the hackers as Russians on May 6, 2016. Once that was done, all Crowdstrike had to do was do on May 7, 2016 and May 8, 2016 what they would not do until June 11, 2016 and June 12, 2016–get the Russians off the network by taking it offline in the guise of upgrading the system. If the Russians cannot access the DNC network through the Internet, they can’t delete any of the logs. Also, one of the first things Crowdstrike should have done was review logs and copy them as part of Best Practices in Incident Response to make forensic evidence available for law enforcement. So, Sussmann was worried needlessly about the logs. Since the alleged Russians were too incompetent or lazy to delete the logs as part of their daily routine of hacking the DNC network, Crowdstrike would have copied and saved them, and, if they had kicked the “Russians” out of the network in early May, they couldn’t access the logs to delete them anyway!

      So, “raising the drawbridge” actually solves the problem of the logs while also preventing the catastrophic loss of the emails that we keep being told was an attack on our democracy. The DNC did not have to lose one email. The emails were stolen on May 25, 2016, 19 days after Crowdstrike had allegedly identified the hackers as “Russian state actors.” The alleged Russians stole the emails while Crowdstrike just sat there and watched them do it. Again, if Crowdstrike had done in May what they put off until June, the DNC does not lose one damaging email. None of the logs would have been lost, either.

      It is also fascinating to note that the Mueller Indictment of the 12 Russians reveals, in Section 33, paragraph a: “On or about May 31, 2016, YERMAKOV searched for open source information about Company 1 (Crowdstrike) and its reporting about X-agent and X-Tunnel (two hacking tools used by alleged Russian hackers). On or about June 1, 2016, the Conspirators attempted to delete traces of their presence on the DCCC network using the computer program CCleaner.”

      So, in this paragraph we see that the “Russians” knew Crowdstrike was looking for them on the DNC network as early as May 31, 2016, and perhaps even earlier. Mueller’s indictment only tells us about an Internet search a “Russian hacker” did about Crowdstrike. The indictment does not identify the date on which the “Russian hackers” discovered Crowdstrike on the DNC network. So, while doing nothing to eliminate the “Russian hackers” from the DNC network, allegedly to keep the “Russians” from finding out the DNC was on to them, we see that the “Russians” not only found out the DNC was on to them, but knew the name of the cybersecurity firm sent to kick them out of the network, CROWDSTRIKE. The “Russian hacker” YERMAKOV researched Crowdstrike on May 31, 2016, 26 days into the Crowdstrike Incident Response engagement, and six days after Crowdstrike sat there and watched the Russians steal every email in the DNC Microsoft Exchange server. So much for Mr. Sussmann’s strategy of keeping the “Russians” in the dark by letting them run amok on the network.

      As for the part of the paragraph referencing “Russian” use of the program CCleaner, it should be noted that the free version of the software does not delete all the files the system saves when someone is working on the computer while on the Internet. Files and objects known as “TRACKS” are not deleted by CCleaner’s free version. I have to use Glary Utilities’ free version to identify and delete “Tracks.” Over time, “Tracks” can build up to a sizeable number files and objects. When I had Toshiba’s people remote into my computer to solve a problem I could not, they noted that I had too many “Junk” files on my computer, even though I had both CCleaner and Glary Utilities and used them in tandem all the time. That’s when I discovered that I had not configured Glary Utilities to find and delete “Tracks.” After clicking the box to permit Glary Utilities to delete “Tracks,” I haven’t accumulated any since. Maybe the paid-for version of CCleaner eliminates “Tracks,” but the free version does not. Typically, people tend to use the free version of programs like CCleaner, especially if an employee downloads it to a work computer to clean up any surfing traces. It is likely that the “Russians” used a free version downloaded and installed on a DCCC computer by a DCCC employee. If so, the “Tracks” left by the “Russians” were not deleted.

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      • V says:

        Well done, Farrier105!

        The more people tear this Russia hoax to shreds, the better.

        There is strong evidence that the 12 “GRU” Russians indictment is a Mueller-Crowdstrike setup:

        https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/07/muellers-latest-indictment-ignores-evidence-in-the-public-domain/

        “Mueller’s Latest Indictment Ignores Evidence In The Public Domain”

        TECHNICAL ANALYSIS OF INDICTMENT BY ADAM CARTER

        (Adam Carter is the same expert who first identified Crowdstrike’s fingerprints (see Guccifer 2.0 – Game Over link below) in putting “Russian fingerprints” in Guccifer 2.0 docs to blame Russia for the fake DNC “hack” and thus to implicate Wikileaks with Russia and thus to implicate Trump campaign with Wikileaks and Russia. What a convoluted plot! It didn’t work, because Wikileaks never published Guccifer 2.0’s emails. And Mueller never interviewed Julian Assange to get to the truth.)

        If A=B and B=C then A=C

        A – Crowdstrike
        B – Guccifer 2.0 – Game Over with the planted “Russian fingerprints”
        C – “The Conspirators” alleged by Mueller to be 12 GRU officials posing as Guccifer 2.0

        And Shawn Henry of Crowdstrike is former FBI staff under Mueller, knows Mueller personally and used a similar setup in the past.

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        • farrier105 says:

          I follow Adam on Twitter and vice versa. I leave the extreme tech stuff to him and Steve McIntyre. We share all the time. It’s the only way to get anywhere with this stuff.

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        • V says:

          Here’s the link showing the similar setup in the past:

          Crowdstrike’s Shawn Henry, ex-FBI top exec, friend of Mueller, worked under Mueller using a similar setup) as Guccifer2.0.

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          • farrier105 says:

            Henry might have done it as you set forth in the post, but it still makes Crowdstrike’s story to Nakashima look bad. It is not possible to know for sure either way, so I concede you could be correct. Here’s some more to consider, too:

            Section 31 of the indictment claims: “During the hacking of the DCCC (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee) and DNC networks, the Conspirators covered their tracks by intentionally deleting logs and computer files. For example, on or about May 13, 2016, the Conspirators cleared the event logs from a DNC computer. On or about June 20, 2016, the conspirators deleted logs from the AMS panel that documented their activities on the panel, including login history.” The use of the term “history” tells us that the alleged Russians never bothered to clean out the AMS logs until June 20, 2016, leaving all of them for Crowdstrike to copy and save every day since May 5, 2016. The “Russians” knew about Crowdstrike being on the DNC network since at least May 31, 2016, and perhaps even earlier in May. As stated above, Section 33, paragraph a of the indictment tells us the “Russians” were doing online searches about Crowdstrike on May 31, 2016. These “Russians” were deleting logs that they should have known Crowdstrike had already backed up and saved in the example of the June 20, 2016 deletion of the AMS panel logs. The “Russians” would have known the deletion of the AMS panel logs was a waste of time as their operation was already “blown.”

            Finally, the Indictment describes how the DNC emails made it to Wikileaks in Section 47, paragraph b. The indictment cites “failed attempts to transfer” the DNC emails to “Organization 1″ (Wikileaks) starting in late June 2016, on or about June 14, 2016.” The indictment goes on to claim that the emails were finally received by Wikileaks “on or about July 18, 2016,” and describes the publication date as July 22, 2016, which is accurate.

            This claim in the indictment is disputable. There is evidence that Wikileaks had the DNC emails before June 12, 2016, which was also the date of the Orlando Pulse Nightclub Mass Shooting Event, which dominated the news cycle for days, muting the effect of the front page story about the DNC hack in the June 14, 2016 edition of the Washington Post. Julian Assange, founder of Wikileaks, was interviewed on June 12, 2016 by London’s ITV. Assange told interviewer Robert Preston that Wikileaks had emails about Hillary Clinton that Wikileaks would publish, “coincident to the Democratic National Convention” in July 2016. The DNC emails were published on July 22, 2016, only a few days before the start of the Democratic National Convention, and the only emails Wikileaks published at that point in time. The fact that the emails, to which Assange alluded in the ITV interview of June 12th, had to be the DNC emails is self-evident. No other emails were published by Wikileaks “about Hillary Clinton” that were published “coincident to the Democratic National Convention” but the DNC emails. The dates listed in the indictment are, therefore, disputable.

            My personal conclusion is that the emails were sent to Wikileaks prior to June 12, 2016. That is clearly indicated by the content of the ITV interview with Julian Assange of Wikileaks on that date. Mr. Mueller would not likely be concerned about any of my conclusions, but if he is he is free to produce all the forensics he has to prove that the emails were not sent to Wikileaks prior to July 18, 2016.

            Another reason to dispute the claim the DNC emails were given to Wikileaks on July 18, 2016 is the appearance of Guccifer 2.0, who claimed to be a Romanian hacker like the original Guccier. On June 15, 2016, the day after the Washington Post broke the hack story, Guccifer 2.0 surfaced, claiming on his blog that he hacked the DNC and gave emails to Wikileaks. Guccifer 2.0 is believed by the Special Counsel’s office, which brought the indictment against the 12 Russians, to be a Russian hacker, working alongside the 12 Russians indicted by Mr. Mueller. Guccifer 2.0’s supposed assignment by “Russian Intelligence” was to mislead people away from suspecting Russia in the theft of the emails. However, Guccifer 2.0’s claim of giving the emails to Wikileaks prior to June 15, 2016, is yet another indication that the emails were given to the DNC before the June 12, 2016 interview of Julian Assange by the UK’s ITV. Again, the DNC emails were stolen on May 25, 2016 at about noon that day, which is the last date and time indicated on the last DNC email published by Wikileaks on July 22, 2016.

            Remember from Part 12 how it was explained that the difference in the description of the hack in the front page Washington Post exclusive story of June 14, 2016, and the description of the hack in the final report of Crowdstrike’s Incident Response engagement, was likely the result of the June 15, 2016 appearance of Guccifer 2.0. Guccifer 2.0 told the world that he stole the emails and had already given them to Wikileaks prior to June 15, 2016. In the previous day’s Washington Post story, the emails were only a cipher. The “Russians” “read/monitored” the emails. There was no mention of the “Russians” stealing the emails in the Washington Post exclusive. The Post story only identified a collection of Opposition Research about Donald Trump as having been stolen by the “Russians.” The opposition research was published on the Internet by Guccifer 2.0, supposedly a “Russian hacker” trying to help elect Trump, but publishing negative stories about Trump on the Internet.

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            • V says:

              See in the video, the difference between Guccifer 2.0’s emails and those published by Wikileaks.

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            • Lester Smith says:

              If it was Russian hackers they would make it look like it was Chinese hackers or some other countries foot print.
              Second NSA must have copies of what really transpired.
              Thirdly 12 Russians that’s really “Rich”, dead men tell no talls.

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              • V says:

                That’s so true, Lester. Russians wouldn’t deliberately place Russian text in the emails as was done in the Guccifer 2.0 emails.

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            • mark says:

              Farrier105, Nellie Ohr. I have no proof but she worked for Crowdstrike I believe and this is the trail of bread crumbs she left for the Russia hacking President Trump witch hunt.

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              • farrier105 says:

                Most of the Russian hack story was supplied by Intelligence agencies that had access to Vault 7 software and hacker tools. They didn’t need Nellie Ohr for that.

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          • farrier105 says:

            Another interesting point about Shawn Henry being the head of the Incident Response engagement at DNC is Mueller’s claim that the “Russian hackers” knew Crowdstrike had total surveillance on the DNC network sometime on or before 5/31/2016 when the Russians started running Internet searches about Crowdstrike. The Russians:

            1. Would know that Shawn Henry was managing the Incident Response watching them on the DNC network.
            2. The Russians would know Henry was a retired FBI Executive in charge of cyber crimes response for the FBI>
            3. The Russians could only conclude that THE FBI WAS WORKING ALONGSIDE CROWDSTRIKE. Professional intelligence operatives could only come to that conclusion. In other words, the Russians would know their OPERATION WAS BLOWN by May 31, 2016 at the latest, but probably knew some time before that date.
            4. Because of Number 3, we have to ask Mueller: Why did you state on your indictment that the “Russians” continued to enter the DNC network to DELETE SYSTEM SECURITY LOGS? Why bother doing that? The FBI already has the logs, and, in fact, Comey told Congress Crowdstrike provided copies of forensic images of all of that data.

            None of this story makes any sense at all.

            The system logs are a big problem with the Mueller indictment of the 12 Russian NAMES.

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      • jx says:

        Excellent post.

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      • Doug says:

        Farrier, that was a fascinating read. Thanks!

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    • Sugarhillhardrock says:

      Sundance,
      Firstly, thank you for your intelligence, daily effort, patriotism, and organizational Zen.

      Secondly, you echo Franklin when he spoke of trading liberty for security, and getting neither.

      In the post 9/11 months, I backed the Patriot legislation. Foolish on my part, learned a lesson. Franklin was right.

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    • Can Crowdstrike legally and productively be investigated?
      Do WikiLeaks, the rumored Assange departure from the embassy, or Kim.com have useful information?
      Why has Admiral Mike Rogers been so quiet?

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    • Shop says:

      Well said, Sundance.

      The American people are easily propagandized.
      How many supported Dubya’s War on Terror? There were just a handful of voices who warned about the dangerous path the unPATRIOT Act would take. Only one senator (Dem Sen. Russ Feingold) voted against that and the AUMF that has given us endless wars in the Middle East.

      How many Americans stood up and opposed the mass surveillance of ALL Americans? These laws gave unprecedented and secret powers to law enforcement & intelligence were pushed by the Republicans with support from the Democrat establishment.

      As the few who opposed this creeping totalitarianism warned it was only a matter of time before it would be weaponized right here at home. I recall how Bush, Guiliani & Romney all laughed at Ron Paul on the Republican debate stage as he warned about the national security state.

      The neocons have been the driving force for the national security state. Trump campaigned against the endless wars but has essentially brought the same neocons to run his national security team. Guys like Bolton, Pompeo & Abrams don’t care about Trumpism. They only care about their utterly failed warped sense of domination that has only weakened the US.

      Unfortunately the genie is out of the bottle. Trump has failed to take advantage of the failure of Russia collusion delusion to Drain the Swamp. The Swamp has learned its lesson from Russiagate. They will be even more vicious and even more secretive in the future. The creeping totalitarianism will become even more entrenched.

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    • TPW says:

      Also interesting to note that Barr’s condensed version of the report stated that Mueller also said the DNC was hacked by Russia….I hope someone ask Mueller during testimony whether SC actually investigated the servers themselves or were they going on the word of crowd strike….Bet ya there will be no direct evidence in the supporting documentation of the report to show they actually inspected the servers ….why can’t the Senate Committee bring in Crowd strike and ask for the evidence?

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  5. spoogels says:

    Shadow Government: Barack Obama Arrives in Berlin to Meet With Angela Merkel in Private

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/04/barack-obama-arrives-in-berlin-to-meet-with-angela-merkel-in-private/

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  6. AnotherView says:

    Nunes has been under fire for so long and taken so much heat, I’ve no doubt of his patriotism. I make a point to try and catch all his interviews. However, he has been a little tentative, less aggressive in his interviews recently. It is troubling.

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    • MaineCoon says:

      I see him as calm, cool, collective — just quietly stting the facts, withut emotion. JMO.

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      • Electra says:

        Really? I don’t doubt his resolve. He’s obviously a very brave man to take on the whole freakin’ political establishment and risk his own congressional seat and who knows what else. But I have always got the sense from watching him that there was this underlying emotion of “Oh. My. God. We are in some very deep doo-doo here, and I better tread carefully.”

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        • MaineCoon says:

          I totally agree and don’t find your sentiment different than mine. I just think he’s trying not to actively agitate anyone while he attempts to get them thrown in jail. Why flaunt a red flag in fron of a bull, at his point. Just do the job. get it down is all I ask. But then I’m sick of the drama by the Ds. I prefer Nunes’ style.

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    • amwick says:

      Maybe he is coming to a really critical point, and he is being super cautious.

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    • Mr.G says:

      Nunes has been told what his role is in the “soft-landing”. No one like Clapper, et al are going to jail. Been saying same here for months

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  7. spoogels says:

    Follow the thread

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  8. spoogels says:

    Herridge;
    BREAKING: Russian Historian Svetlana Lokhova Breaks Silence – Says Deep State FBI and Stephan Halper Set Up Gen. Flynn (VIDEO)

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/04/breaking-russian-historian-svetlana-lokhova-breaks-silence-says-deep-state-fbi-and-stephan-halper-set-up-gen-flynn-video/

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  9. spoogels says:

    GOP Senators Alert Barr to Allegations Mueller’s Team Misrepresented Trump Campaign Emails to Fuel Russian Collusion Conspiracy Theories

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/04/gop-senators-alert-barr-to-allegations-muellers-team-misrepresented-trump-campaign-emails-to-fuel-russian-collusion-conspiracy-theories/

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  10. Psyday says:

    One dichotomy I haven’t resolved is how the Senate RINOs stand against all potus policies yet are confirming a huge slate of the most conservative/constitutional judges ever. Judges that can rule against their corruption.

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    • kevin says:

      I suspect they’re playing the game their way because they know they can dump the President any time they feel like it iow they want Trump’s policies but don’t want Trump to be leading them.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Its the least bad option, for doing SOMETHING to create the illusion that they are working with PDJT, in order to TRY to maintain their stealth nature.

      This way, you can not say they oppose PDJT 100%, cause “what about Judges?”

      Grahams continueally running to DJT, trying to push some kind of amnesty compromise didn’t help, on immigration. And no wall funding, back when R’s held the House.

      Oh, and the tax plan, they cooperated on that.

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      • justsayin714 says:

        I think McConnell agreed to fast-track judges to keep the President from closing the border. McConnell was told by US Chamber of Commerce to do SOMETHING to stopTrump from doing it. First McConnell tried warning Trump about a shutdown, but I didn’t see Trump responding to that. Right afterwards, McConnell announced he was going nuclear with the judges, and Trump then said he was giving Mexico a year to fix this mess.

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  11. Payday says:

    I typed my moniker wrong there. WordPress is a pain

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  12. spoogels says:

    Report: Many Of CNN’s National Security ‘Experts’ Have Ties To Terror-Supporting Qatari Regime

    https://truepundit.com/report-many-of-cnns-national-security-experts-have-ties-to-terror-supporting-qatari-regime/

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  13. CopperTop says:

    I like poster above suggesting Senate/House dual attack. One on Intel other on Rank and File DOJ. Question: Is Senate better suited to handle the IC clean up than House?

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    • WSB says:

      Great point, CopperTop.

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    • deqwik2 says:

      The Senate is controlled by the Rep’s so they could run the investigation.
      The House is under Dem control & Schiff is not going to let Nunes have any power into investigations.
      I believe Grassley & Graham does have better shot at it.

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      • Maquis says:

        Senator Burr is too busy still pursing Trump Russian “Collusion” to actually look into the myriad frauds perpetrated on the President and the People. He’s a corrupt bastard.

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        • gsonFIT says:

          remember that John “needs to be shot for treason” Brennan and Clapper would not come before Nunes and his committee to testify about the ICA that Strzok wrote. Of course they were happy to speak with Burr and his band of criminals. Guess who endorsed the fake ICA. None other than non-partisan Senators Burr and Warner and the rest of corrupt Senate Intel.

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      • The Senate is controlled by Rinos, Never Trumpers and GOPe. Reps are only a small part.

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    • MaineCoon says:

      I agree and think it could be a daunting task to the lower chamber where R’s have basically done much of the investigation while in the majority, at least enough to come fore with criminal referrals now even though the minority. Whereas put the IC on “trial” in the Senate where R’s are majority and cango forth as a majority in the next 2 years, at least.

      Two tracks for two investigations. All R’s on deck and participating.

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  14. Tiffthis says:

    Maybe Nunes is hoping the indicted conspirators will out the deep state operatives for a lesser sentence?

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    • KnowSERENoFear says:

      Indictments/arrests = witness protection/discovery. The only path to DOJ redemption. Nunes criminal’ referrals like placing a snowball at the top of a snow hill and letting it go…or placing on hot cement…I guess we’ll see.

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    • deqwik2 says:

      That’s what I was thinking. Somebody is going to roll to save themselves. If nothing else, it could crack some doors open for investigators to take a closer look.

      Hopefully, the opening of Pandora’s Box.

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  15. But, Brennan DID run the other OPs. There were THREE, not just two.. One BEFORE the election, think NSA queries. One DURING the election to surround Trump with spies to reinforce the data from the first and lay the groundwork for the third , and One after the election Crossfire Hurricane. Brennan and or Clapper HAD TO BE in on all three. One was initiated by someone in the intel community, else how did they get access to what they did (The NSA database). The First Op is being intentionally hidden. It is where all the unmasking occurred BEFORE 2016 hence totally ILLEGAL.. The 2nd one was where they began to use Steele to further the first data obtained. Steele was a façade. They also began to insert spies like Halper, Tawil, and Downer around the periphery of the Trump campaign(Page, Papadopolous, Manafort, and Cohen). Brennan DID order the 2nd one as well, just not directly, he used either the UK, Australia, or New Zealand. Yep Five Eyes. The third one compiled ALL their schemes into one counter intelligence mess. Again Brennan played a KEY role, as did James Clapper. There are SEVERAL players who are ALWAYS there in all three. Nellie Ohr, Bruce Ohr, Glen Simpson, John Brennan, James Clapper and Barack Obama (who knew and had to sanction them ALL). Peter Strzok was always a facilitator of the plan as was Andrew McCabe and James Comey, until fired. They were replaced by Rod Rosenstein and Robert Mueller, who they are trying to replace now with Schiff and Nadler.

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  16. dave casper says:

    I’ll never forget Schumer when he warned candidate Trump that our intel agencies have six ways from Sunday to make your life miserable. Ya think.

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  17. Ziiggii says:

    This is an EXCELLENT article SD! One I’ve been waiting on after the narrative shift by several in MSM to the UK part of this storyline.

    I do wonder if this is not a calculated move by the White Hats though…? Everything Nunes wrote about has been in the public eye for years, but the narrative shift to the UK storyline in new info for most; some of it brand new, to me included.

    It seems the White Hats are starting to move on the offensive (read POTUS recent tweets this week) and start to bring into the public discourse the other ‘dark’ parts of the story. This in an effort to soften the public to the reality that officials high up in the previous Admin knew about & more than likely active participants in the soft coup within the DOJ/FBI.

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  18. WSB says:

    Regarding Sundance’s concern and getting the word to the LSM, Does Glenn Greenwald read here? If not, he should.

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  19. If & when there are charges brought against the cabalists, President Trump’s opponents will predictably – and without a hint of irony – accuse him of politicizing the Justice Dept. for political purposes.

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  20. Bob, Esq. says:

    Given the amount of fraud and corruption revealed so far, here are a few questions I’m not ashamed to ask:

    • Was Nellie Ohr acting as a liaison between Fusion GPS and CIA Director John Brennan?

    • Did Nellie Ohr embezzle raw FISA data while working for Fusion GPS? If not, then how was she able to “check the travels” of the Trump children?

    • OSINT suggests Nellie Ohr knew Stefan Halper “since at least 2000 from her work in the MITRE Corporation.”
    o Did Nellie Ohr coordinate Stefan Halper’s efforts to infiltrate the Trump campaign?

    o Was Nellie Ohr involved with Stefan Halper’s efforts to sabotage General Flynn in 2014?

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  21. Retired IG says:

    I am heartened that Devin Nunes stepped out the box of Congress to write this editorial. What Sundance sees and/or deduces here re Brennan, Clapper and the INTEL side of this equation is brilliant. Yes, who is going to shine a light into the Black Box Intel agencies role in this coup? With a budget that is classified? Wonder who actually gets to see how ALL that money is spent? And/or who or what the profits of their ventures accrue to? What’s worse is that I should feel fear for my life for asking such questions. I guess others do too. These agencies have “9 ways from Sunday to get back at you.” Which is such bullshit. And I don’t know who wrote Lindsey Graham will be spearheading an effort into this, but I SURMISE the CONTROL FILE the INTEL agencies have on him is so deep and wide that he would only want to self-destruct if he went there. Although I have been a “Doubting Thomas” that anything with regard with the coup against the President would come into BRILLIANT SUNSHINE, it has. So most feebly, I do not want to doubt that someone has a plan for THE GIANT DETOX awaiting these black box agencies. “Lord, hear my prayer.” Wow. We do live in Interesting times.

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  22. Ziiggii says:

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  23. RoninInCA says:

    Devin walks a tightrope.. IMO.. He’s fighting the righteous fight.. This fight needs numbers..He’s been the number one target of Democrats for last two election cycles.. Sundance does have a point about Devin sidestepping part of the problem.. I believe he is biting off what he feels he can handle.. He is not a lawyer folks.. An unfortunately in situations like this he tends to defer to lawyers.. I can’t blame him.. This is not his first rodeo.. If it were me I’d burn it all down.. This is non-recoverable..

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  24. Retired IG says:

    Thank you for that link ZiigghiI. Love your moniker. Have many David Bowie tunes going through
    me tonight after my readings – “Under Pressure,” is one. And for some “strange” reason, the band “War on Drugs” (who also are a fave of mine) “Under the Pressure” comes to mind. Life is too short not to find humor in music being a reflection of THESE DAZE.

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  25. Firefly says:

    Recall Devin Nunes discussing how the State Department was involved.
    For whatever reason, Devin totally dropped that aspect. Fox News won’t bring up The state dept, Johnathan Winer was Bill Browder’s Attorney, Winer is also knows Christopher Steele and Fusion GPS. Winer is friends with a Blumenthal too.

    According to Lee Stranahan in the Fox greenroom Jon Solomon and Sarah Carter commented that Browder’s is “their guy”. Sundance has noticed there is something off with Hannity and Solomon. Stranahan claims Solomon and Fox News are hiding Browder’s and Winers Ukraine stuff from PTrump. I don’t know- but the Winer Browder, Steele and Fusion GPS and Ukraine aspect is key and being hidden.

    Looks like Devin is not talking about that aspect anymore too. The reason Bongino, Solomon and Sarah Carter drip don’t make sense is because we’re only getting half truths. Recently Bongino and Solomon have been talking about Ukraine stuff due to Stranahan – but they still won’t discuss Winer being Browder’s Attorney and involvement with Steele and the dossier. Now Devin is not discussing it either even though previously Devin said it was key.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/04/22/devin_nunes_on_origins_of_fbis_russia_probe.html

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      “Recall Devin Nunes discussing how the State Department was involved”

      I have not heard a peep about that in about a year now. I recall Rep. Nunes mentioning it around the time of the first IG report, then NOTHING.

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      • Firefly says:

        My point exactly. The central part is being ignored. Devin knows the significance but is hiding Winer-Browder state dept aspect.

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  26. Jennifer Verner says:

    This is preparing the public for what is to come. The Media has ignored all of this, many people have no idea what the Obama administration did. POTUS and Nunes have it all. And now it is all in the timing.

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  27. Kent says:

    Devin Nunes asked President Trump to declassify all the documents – emails, texts, other official documents related to the investigation – a year ago. Trump said he would, then he didn’t. If Trump had done what Nunes had requested, then we would have real facts about Brennan and Clapper and Rice and Powers. But, we don’t because of all the brilliance in the strategy to keep the truth from America so that guessing games could rule, along with leaks designed to mislead, instead of honest citizens and journalists having the facts to digest and sort out. We have all these frustrations because our President has chosen not to give America the truth. He has had the full power all along to do this and yet he has never done it. So the guessing games continue and the guilty slink further into the darkness, from whence they will return one day to do a better job of stealing the reins of power and collapsing the small remnants of what our Founders bequeathed us.
    Maybe President Trump is following the counsel of sage – “there is no time like the future” to insist on the truth being given to all. The future sometimes never comes.

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    • justsayin714 says:

      Kent:
      No.Just NO. In a 24-hour news cycle, timing is not only important, it’s EVERYTHING. SO tired of hearing from some what Trump should have done, and when, and how he is now to blame. Just shut the hell up, Ann Coulter, Shapiro, et al.

      Seems to me (And maybe I’m alone in this), that the one man who has managed to navigate this never-ending maze alone, with only tepid, occasional support from ANYONE, deserves our trust, now that the dam is finally breaking. He knows what he has and what it can do. I believe he will take his own counsel when deciding to release the hounds, and we who have been waiting will be astounded. THEY will not know what hit them.

      My opinion.

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      • Beau Geste says:

        PDJT promised to release all the JFK assassination records. There is nothing legitimately “secret” anymore. Russian involvement? Castro involvement? Jack Ruby as FBI or CIA or castro asset? GHW Bush as CIA handler for Oswald? or LBJ lust for power, or Diem retaliation from Vietnam? None of this could possibly be “secret” or “sources and methods” now, over 50 years later. Put the conspiracy theories to rest, one way or the other. But PDJT protected the “deep state” from records release.

        PDJT says his lawyers wont let him release the FISA and other “deep state” corruption records, for fear of “obstruction” charges. But JFK records release could not be “obstruction of justice”. something is very wrong here.

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    • spoogels says:

      If Trump had done it a year ago, Herr Mueller would have charged him with obstruction

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      • Kent says:

        There is no obstruction since there is no crime. And there is no evidence of a crime. It is not obstruction to give the full truth to America. If Mueller did that it would have been an act of war. It would have been better to start it a year ago. We have no full truth and no start to bring the coup plotters to justice. And Trump has now had several weeks to release the documents and he still does not. Delay works very well for the Democrats.

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  28. Reitired IG says:

    Not to get off topic – but really – at least for me, the Mueller “investigation” has been a pressure on me. BiG TIME. Have been reliving my career as an auditor in spades. Will the truth come out? This issue has really worn me down. The truth is what all of us strove for in our work. Always EDITED, not so much for content that we had to document until we worked our fingers to the bones, but for punctuation and grammar. Starting to feel so excited re the next IG report. Will most likely be too much information for many Congress and Senate critters with their pre-interpretation of the FACTS to wrap their axles around. Thank you for indulging me with my comment CTH.
    Under the Pressure\
    War on Drugs

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  29. k4jjj says:

    This attempt to smear Attorney General Barr is a preemptive move to try and counter criminal prosecution of a number of major Democrat defendants. They have a problem. The evidence of criminal conduct is piled high against them and they know it.

    “You tell ’em I’m coming. You tell ’em I’m coming and Hell’s coming with me,” said Wyatt Earp in “Tombstone.”

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  30. Max De says:

    Nunes has done great work so far but now let us hope he does not slow down & comes to accept that no one in the cia like John Brennan should be held accountable for trying to steal an election.
    So mnay come out strong only to eventually morph into a surveillance protecting slob like all others. Trump may be doing the same hoping this all goes away all while this cia fbi and doj will try to steal an election again another day.

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    • Mr. G says:

      It will start dawning on people that NO ONE in the cabal like Clapper or Comey are going to jail. The Swamp always has and always will protect itself

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      • Max De says:

        I am afraid you are correct. If this is brushed over without anyone being held accountable then what has to happen for change to occur?

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  31. Levinforpres says:

    Sundance, If Trump declassifies, I believe your concern will be addressed. The entire predicate for Crossfire Hurricane and the FISA on Page was the Downer/Papa D meeting in London. The problem the “phase one” police state tyrants are going to have is that both Downer and Papa D deny discussing the “dirt on Hillary” narrative that has been pushed by the media and the left. That leaves us with the only place that term/context was used: the meeting with Mifsud. If Mifsud is not a Russian asset, which he most assuredly is not, as the FBI did not arrest him in February of 17 when he was interviewed by the FBI while in the US to attend a meeting as per an invitation from the State Department, then he is what he and his lawyer say he is….. a Western Intel asset. How will the Deep Sate tyrants Expain that away? Why was Mifsud meeting with Papa D in April talking about “Russian dirt and HC emails, AND if he was a Russian cutout, why did the FBI wait months and months to interview Papa D after that meeting?? We will then find out that Papa D had a FISA on him as well. WHAT WILL BE THE PREDICATE FOR THAT FISA?

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  32. testpointwp says:

    Concern for the FISA court is misplaced. We managed to survive until 1978 without it. We almost lost our Republic with it.

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  33. CA M says:

    For most of America who are just now coming to terms with the malfeasance of the FBI, this op-Ed is a good start to begin to explain this complicated situation in small bite-sized pieces. He has to explain why they are hauling in people in a simple way that everyone can agree upon.

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  34. OldParatrooper says:

    The FBI submitted a FISA Warrant Application on Carter Page to the FISA Court in late June early July of 2016, which was denied. The warrant was based on something, although the public doesn’t know what. It couldn’t have been the Steele Dossier, it wasn’t compiled until August/September, and it is unlikely that it was based on the first dossier input, due to timing. But it is a clear indicator that something was going on before the official start date of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, and that something involved the FBI.

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  35. Concernedcitizen says:

    So far, the focus of Spygate has been on the downstream flow of Dossier info into the FISA application. But what about the possibility that disinformation from the FBI moved upstream to the Dossier in a positive feedback loop? For instance, the crucial Carter Page disinformation could have been provided to the Dossier fiction writers through intermediaries ( Agent Pientka to Bruce Ohr to Nellie Ohr is plausible).

    Remember, McCabe testified that without the Dossier there would have been no FISA. Therefore, it is not beyond the realm of possibility, perhaps likely, that the FBI ghost wrote part of the Dossier.

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    • Larry says:

      Concernedcitizen:
      It seems to have been John Brennan’s CIA tried to set the Trump people up. But some of the people mentioned had affiliations with both CIA and FBI. Was Nellie a CIA contractor
      at the same time she was working for Fusion? Was Fusion a contractor when Nellie was
      doing oppo – were the Clinton oppo research and the CIA sting actually the same thing?
      The connections are close enough – who would have the ability to investigate the CIA???
      To access hidden documents and so on?

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  36. Larry says:

    We all owe Rep Nunes a great deal!

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  37. Interested Observer says:

    Nunes has brought up the CIA/ State Department pre CrossFire Hurricane issues many a time. He is not oblivious to them.

    Bigger deal is former federal prosecutor Rudolph Giuliani. He knows all roads lead to Brennan and he is going to prove it.

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  38. railer says:

    The Swamp and Deep State have been beaten back on Muh Russia, and now they’re into damage control. Looks like they’re moving to blaming Hillary for all this, and they’ll see how that flies.

    Trump can likely intimidate Barr, and even fire him, so Barr at least has to do some of Trump’s bidding here. If Barr follows the course our host recommends, it will lead straight up through Brennan and Lynch and directly to Obama. There would be prosecutions aplenty, and much humiliation, even if Lynch and Obama are held harmless. Brennan won’t go to jail without ratting somebody out, he’s a rat. Would this consume Trump’s presidency? Would it be a distraction?

    As Sean Connery said in “Rising Sun”, sometimes it’s better to “fix the problem, not the blame”.

    Even if these crooks aren’t prosecuted, it’s still excellent blackmail material for Trump. Barr is Swamp and Deep State, and would be motivated to protect both. If he does, it makes him subject to Trumpian blackmail, on this and other portions of Trump’s agenda. I’ll be honest with you, that formulation might very well benefit MAGA more than trying to prosecute Swamp creatures, which will be an absolute circus. Couple the blackmail strategy with significant institutional reform, as Barr surely recognizes as necessary and will pursue vigorously, and we may have a winner here. Let Trump tell the true story in his biography, about how he pardoned Obama for the good of the country, even though he was stone cold guilty.

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    • Max De says:

      Fixing the problem and not blaming is DC’s way of doing things. It keeps criminals in charge. This is the approach DC used in 2008 when the financial system was about to collapse because of the fraud of credit default swaps and various other wholly bogus derivatives that littered the balance sheets of large banks, institutional pension funds, sovereign wealth funds, large corporation and balance sheets of of wealthy individuals world wide. The parties responsible for proliferating this bogosity held accountable? Well of course not they were the very ones the federal government gave trillions of dollars of taxpayer money in cash and guarantees to solve the problem they created so they and the world wide wealthy could be made whole. Now this bs solution is being implemented to cover over the corrupt deep state bureaucrats that tried to steal and then overthrow an election. Alll of this only insures the rich, powerful, or in the case of spygate the corrupt criminal bureaucracy gets a pass. People know what is going on and great anger festers while the corrupt live one. Eventually when the top blows, and it will rest assured, chaos and violence will be unleashed, violence that will cause the demise of many innocent and many guilty bureaucrats and wealthy pols worthy of a violent painful demise.

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  39. Tl Howard says:

    As it stands right now, even when the details of what Comey, McCabe, Page, Strzok, and the others have done are illuminated, I doubt vast number of Americans will see their crimes as “Democrat or Democrat Party” crimes; thus, the long line of Democrat candidates for POTUS will not be tarred by the scandal.

    Now, if Obama and members of his inner circle are revealed as the originators of all this, that’s different.

    However, a new problem arises, a political one: no matter the evidence of proof of the latter, much of American will either reject or resent such accusation against “The One.”

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  40. I have been reading all of this, and it’s in the weeds. For anyone who might be tired of that:

    In the final analysis, I think it will come simply down to this:

    None of the traitors and abettors did any of this except at the direct orders of Barry “Barack Hussein Obama” Soetoro, upon the advice of his Muslim Brotherhood-and-Black Muslim-affiliated counselors and backers (primarily, Valerie Jarrett).

    Trump (even long before he was President Trump, or Candidate Trump) was an enemy and personal insult to Obama/Soetoro, to his tightly-clasped image of himself above all.

    This is all, first and foremost, an all-encompassing (!) demonstration of Obama’s perverse psychology, his complete lack of any true or honest character. The independent, individual evils of all the others were his tools…willing, but tools first and last. One might say, he took their souls (even you, Sessions; not to mention all of those Obama voters).

    The cult of Obama.

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    • Tl Howard says:

      Danger: half the country will say Trump had it coming to him because he too tried to undermine a POTUS by accusing him of falsifying where he was born. True, Trump was NOT a government official trying to remove or undermind a POTUS, but the public, unless given proof that the whispers of Obama’s real birth were legit, will still see that attack as trying to undermine a particular POTUS and the Presidency itself through innuendo.

      BTW, that’s never been, IMHO, a good look for Trump. While it gained him notoriety and no doubt some votes, I thought it was classless and dangerous.

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      • Tl Howard says:

        correction: “undermine”

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      • jx says:

        Obama is himself responsible for questions regarding his place of birth. He never laid those questions to rest and instead ridiculed anyone who asked the question – a question that Obama generated.

        Classless and dangerous are words that apply to Obama, not Trump.

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      • yy4u says:

        Tl Howard — Trump was an average citizen who had questions about the president’s eligibility. Just as he had questions about Ted Cruz’s eligibility. Where he erred are:
        a) Cruz is a Republican so fair game and b) Barack Obama is a highly placed African-American so cannot be criticized in any way without it being “Racist”. He should have known that.

        It stings/stinks, but some people ARE above the law. We are NOT a nation of laws; we are a nation of “men” (men including all 425 recognized genders including nongender). Hillary Clinton is above the law. We can pipe dream all we want about her being prosecuted, but look at the record: Cattle futures (a bribe), Whitewater, Castlegrande, lying under oath about Travelgate, Filegate, Clinton Foundation, Classified emails, Benghazi (did I miss any). Ken Starr had her dead to rights and refused to indict. Above the law.

        Barack Obama is home free. There is NOTHING he can do that would cause him to even be chastised. He is the first black president and as such is sacrosanct. He could commit murder in broad daylight on at Times Square with 100 eye witnesses and captured on video and he would NOT be prosecuted without riots breaking out in every city.

        I don’t like it. It stinks that the USA has come to this point, but highly placed minority and/or female Democrats ARE above the law. To keep on thinking they’ll eventually be prosecuted is like trying to bail out the Atlantic Ocean in two hours using a thimble. It ain’t gonna happen no matter how hard you try or how desperately you wish it.

        I don’t say it’s right but I do say that’s how it is. My biggest complaint is our “powers that be” continue to feed us the b.s. that it isn’t true.

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        • TPW says:

          Well with your defeatist attitude no wonder….and no wonder our country got to the place it is…..Thank GOD for all the brave citizens who came many years before this sorry generation…..do you think “they” would have taken it on the chin and said ….thats just the way it is like it or not. Hell no……they fought for their freedom……our childrens future looks bleak to put it mildly. Once they know they got away with the corruption in broad daylight and we did NOTHING. Katy bar the door.

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        • Moe Grimm says:

          That 0bama “is black” is another misnomer floated constantly. He is NOT. He is a mullatte, the leftist’s version of the Golden Calf. And further in truth: the son of a promiscuous white hippie and a drunken blak Kenyan marxist. Raised by his upper middle class maternal grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, who introduced him to the now deceased communist Frank Marshall Davis (Communist Party USA #47544 aka CPUSA) who 0bama references in his book as his mentor.

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      • Moe Grimm says:

        The normies are clueless (perpetual circumstance) about the origin of the “birther question”. It was former Soviet Jewish emigré Orly Taitz. lawyer/dentist/RE agent in California who originally released documents back in 2007 showing a Kenyan birth certificate. Par for the course that the D’-rats and their MSM typing pool still hang the blame on PDT when the question about the Muzloid’s birth certificate surfaced even BEFORE he was nominated in 2007. There were so many more questions surrounding his birth certificate after that, but he didn’t address it, and it marinated and grew. More likely PDT picked it up being sick of the MSM Dead Beat, and wanting to see where it would ultimately land, issued his own challenge. Besides, 0bama could have ended it as soon as it began had he just published his b/c he obviously sat on.

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  41. Leaving says:

    It appears to me that nobody in DC (white or black hats) view the operation by the CIA as wrong. They only view transitioning it to the FBI and politicizing it as wrong.

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  42. For Eyes says:

    Several different thoughts merge together into one.

    First, it is easier to deal with what you see than to notice what is missing. We “know” Clinton was at the heart of this in partnership with Obama and his team. Notably MIA for the past 2 years is any sustainable focus on them. Something might pop up, but then the eyes avert to the underlings at FBI / DOJ.

    Second, traditional wisdom is to start at the bottom and get those layers to turn on higher level perps. That might work, but Clinton & Obama have had 2 years to perfect their firewalls. Instead, it seems to me more attention should be placed on going straight at Obama and Clinton, even while mopping up the indictments on the underlings where a lot of evidence has already been uncovered.

    Taken together, enough already with teasing out more fine detail on the dossier etc. Go straight at the White House unmasking. Go straight at U1. Go straight at the Foundation and pay to play.

    My two cents.

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    • Moe Grimm says:

      +1. Well stated though they’re ALL likely to walk left to Barr who has a history with “Bob” and “Rod” let alone that his wife does too. More that Barr defended Pro Bono Lon Horiuchi (pg. 29 3rd paragraph https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/download/william-barr-senate-questionnaire-public) who shot in the face and killed Vicki Weaver as she stood holding her 10 month old daughter Elisheba (there was NO FBI “helicopter in danger of being shot at”). Horiuchi beat the ensuing manslaughter charge thanks to Barr’s machinations. Horiuchi subsequently participated, also as an fbi sniper, in the siege at Waco where he would have been charged with murder had not the barrel on his issued sniper rifle been changed directly after the siege ended rendering bullet-to-barrel forensics impossible. The barrel became scrap metal.

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  43. yy4u says:

    Years ago when I watched “Special Report” (before I caught on that it was a UniParty/Deep State vehicle), Kirstin Powers was a panelist talking about (I forget what) — one of the many Democrat/Obama debacles during the Obama administration and she came out with one of the best lines I’ve ever heard regarding the Democrats:

    “Mistakes were made but nobody made them.”

    If this isn’t what happens EVERY time Democrats get in the soup, I’ll eat my shoe. If they can’t lie their way out of something, somebody somewhere admits that a mistake was made. But NOBODY is EVER named and nobody EVER gets punished. They simply exit stage left and the media steps in to point “Look! A squirrel” and direct the public’s attention elsewhere. Quietly it all goes away.

    This probably is what will happen with the attempted coup. “A coup was attempted but nobody attempted it”.

    If anyone is punished for this, it’ll be some low level somebody who won’t squawk (Susan MacDougal, Webb Hubbell) OR if he/she might squawk luckily (for someone else) has a coronary while in solitary like Jim MacDougal).

    MacDougal — https://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/10/us/mcdougal-s-solitary-death.html

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  44. Larry says:

    I suppose a good place to start might be to discover all of the people or entities that did all of the unauthorized searches of the NSA databases. That should be revealing. BTW were they just mining data or where they inputting false info as well?

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  45. Levinforpres says:

    The bottom line is Trump needs to declassify. Once he does, and we find out that Papa D had a FISA on him as well, then the next logical question is what was the predicate for that FISA? This will then reveal Mifsud’s Western intel ties, and publically debunk what we already know, that he is not a Russian asset. That will open Pandora’s Box…….

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  46. JIM COMEY IS A WEASEL_DOUG says:

    I think at this point in time Devin Nunes more than anybody but VSGPOTUS deserves the benefit of the doubt.
    I don’t believe for one minute he has dropped looking into Phase 2, IOW, The CIA/5 eyes/ Traitor brennan spy campaign. Listen to 1:56 to hear his comments regarding the origin of CH.

    I live in California and I can tell you fisrt hand Devin had/has a HUGE target on his back from Muddled Matters and all the psycho LeftWing Crazies. He has to be VERY careful about what he says because he has legions of these psychos listening and analyzing every single utterance trying to twist and distort anything he says.

    This guy is TOTAL COURAGE. I wish we had 20 more like him.

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/t2us5sWkBZd9zqgl4l36jDr_V2h7o2ZMbWnALzNdr6yBoUcskEwUCa8B-AbqYoQAzEmAQzk=s152

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