A Review of the DOJ/FBI FISA Application Release…

Having read, re-read and re-re-read, the recent FISA application release, here’s my take at both the 30,000 ft and granular level.

First, the elevated review is actually more interesting than the granular, which is remarkably odd considering how far we have traveled with this story.

Why publicly release the FISA application?  After all, even with the voluminous redactions, it is very unusual and it would have been exceptionally easy to deny any FOIA request under the auspices of national security.  To highlight this question, consider how stunned Fran Townsend was at the release: “Having run The Justice Dept office responsible for #FISA The release of these documents is irresponsible & will irreversibly weaken counterintelligence & Counterterrorism investigations going forward.

Here is where a similar, I would say parallel, release will be overlooked.  Remember, it was April 2017 when ODNI Dan Coats released the 99-page FISA Court ruling/opinion on the historic 2015/2016 FISA abuse by the FBI and DOJ-NSD.  That release, like this one, while also heavily redacted, seemed out-of-custom for the intelligence apparatus.  Coincidentally FISA Court Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer is a central figure in both releases.

In the 2017 FISC abuse opinion release, Judge Collyer wrote the ruling.  In this 2018 FISA application release, Judge Collyer was the authorizing FISC authority granting the Title-1 search warrant.  In an odd way, there’s a particular appearance of connectivity here.  For those who are unfamiliar, FISA material is not subject to FOIA; everything connected to FISA and the FISC is considered “classified” at the origination. [Remember that.]

You see, it was July 17th (a few days ago) when the Comey, Brennan, Yates, Carter criticisms were on full boil (due to the Trump/Putin presser), when I began to wonder when DNI Coats would reach the point –AGAIN– of saying ‘enough is enough’?  My suspicions were that something was soon to happen… because the ridiculousness of it all was nearing the apex.  Methinks this FISA release is in line with that general disposition.

Anyone who thinks this FISA application release is not a big deal has not followed the details, and does not comprehend what is attested to within the FISA application.  But that’s in the granular…. for now, let’s stick to the 30,000 ft review.

The overall FISA application is ridiculously short on substance, and generally is a long way from providing the evidence needed for Title-1 surveillance authority over a U.S. person.  In fact, the FISA application is very sloppy… almost as if it wasn’t a priority to have a solid and defensible document.  I think there’s a simple reason for that.

After all, the DOJ and FBI never thought anyone would ever be looking at this issue; they thought Hillary Clinton was going to win. To quote the disposition of FBI Counterintelligence Agent Peter Strzok: “I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office that there’s no way he gets elected – but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”  Key word: “unlikely“, they never contemplated -until later- the full scope of justification that would be needed…. they were setting up something no-one really thought would need to be utilized…. all of the legal apoplexy and ass-covering came in hindsight.

So when we review the FISA application, it is worth reminding yourself this was a tool, a temporary means to an end, they never thought they would actually need…. so they didn’t spend a great deal of time hammering out the finer points.  The political surveillance was useful, but it was likely never to be known how it was utilized.  Ms. Lisa Page was focused on empowering Hillary Clinton, stupid -albeit useful and obnoxiously arrogant- Pete was in charge of the less-than and likely unneeded insurance.

We begin to get increasingly granular now:


Context:  The current DOJ and FBI elements of the intelligence community are only slightly less corrupt internally than they were prior to the Trump inauguration.  Institutionally they are still full of corrupt individuals; and administratively they are managed by people concerned about retaining the institutions – not eliminating the corruption.  In our ongoing opinion this institutional emphasis is misplaced and misguided at best, and complicit at worst; likely more the latter.

This context frames the very first identifiable issue with the release: why redact the dates?  There appears to be a purposeful set of date redactions in this release.  There is no “sources or methods” reason to redact the dates…. which leads to the second issue: why release a March 17, 2017, copy [see FISC Clerk stamp] of the original October 2016 FISA application material (the only date not redacted):

♦Why did the FISC send the DOJ a copy of the FISA application in March 2017?  This copy was not sent to file a renewal, the first renewal was in January 2017.   So why is the release using a March 17th issued copy from the FISC, to present the original October 2016 application?   Secondly, why are the filing dates for the next three sets of renewal documents all redacted?  [There is a purpose here…. CTH has suspicions]

♦Haphazard/Conflicting construct.  For this first take I defer to Mr. Piddles eloquence:

First, page #2. They say outright: “The target of this application [Page] IS an agent of a foreign power”. Emphasis mine.

Second, page #4. They spell out their definition of a “foreign agent” — basically, somebody who KNOWINGLY engages in clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power, or who KNOWINGLY conspires with others to do the same.

Then in the very next paragraph they say: “This application targets Carter Page. [According to page #2, a known foreign agent] The FBI believes Page has been the subject of TARGETED RECRUITMENT by the Russian Government …”. As always, emphasis mine.

How the F*CK can Page be a “foreign agent” who KNOWINGLY engaged in activities FOR A FOREIGN POWER, but at the same time be a “target for recruitment” by THE SAME FOREIGN POWER??????

He’s either RECRUITED. Or he’s NOT RECRUITED. He can’t be both. Duh.

WTF? Or maybe all this comes down to what the meaning of the word “is” is. As in Carter Page IS an agent of a foreign power.

A very righteous opinion. Though remember: (1) this was part of the insurance policy aspect the DOJ/FBI never fathomed they would have to justify in detail; and (2) FISA stuff is classified, the DOJ/FBI never thought it would see the light of day.

Remember also, oddly, and damned sure not coincidentally, Carter Page was an FBI asset in March of 2016…. and yet somehow by October the same year he was a foreign agent, acting on behalf of mother Russia, and deserving of a FISA Title-1 Surveillance Warrant to ensure every second of every move was tracked and monitored as if he was an activated terrorist en-route to the detonation site:

(Full Memo pdf)

In 2013 the U.S. Department of Justice, Southern District of New York, announced an indictment against a Russian Operative Evgeny Buryakov.  LINK HERE  In March of 2016 Buryakov pleaded GUILTY: Carter Page was an FBI cooperating asset in 2013, and remained the primary FBI witness through May of 2016 throughout the duration of the Buryakov case.

If Carter Page was an FBI asset and witness, responsible for the bust of a high level Russian agent in 2013, and remained so throughout the court case UP TO May of 2016, how the f**k it is possible that on October 21st, 2016, Carter Page is put under a FISA Title-1 surveillance warrant as an alleged Russian agent?

Conclusion:  He wasn’t.

The DOJ National Security Division and the FBI Counterintelligence Division, knew he wasn’t a Russian agent.  The DOJ-NSD and FBI  flat-out LIED to the FISA court.

Now, go back to the March 2016 DOJ Press Release of the guilty pleading for Evgeny Buryakov, announced from the New York office:

…”Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and John P. Carlin, Assistant Attorney General for National Security, announced”…

Because “FISA Title-I” surveillance authority against a U.S. citizen is so serious (the U.S. government is essentially calling the target a spy), only a few people are authorized to even apply for such surveillance warrants.

One of the four people authorized to make such a filing is the Asst. Attorney General who is head of the National Security Division of the DOJ.  At the time that person was John P Carlin.  The same John P Carlin who worked with the FBI counterintelligence unit, conscripted Carter Page as an FBI asset/witness, gained a guilty plea, then turned around six months later and accused their star witness of being a Russian Spy?

Think about this?

Apply common sense.

Why?  Likely because the DOJ-National Security Division (DOJ-NSD) and FBI Counterintelligence needed to find a legal way to spy on the Trump campaign. The 2016 FISA Title 1 surveillance of former FBI employee Carter Page became that legal way. [“The Insurance Policy”]

In October of 2016, at approximately the same time the DOJ was making the FISA Court filing against Page, and successfully gaining the surveillance warrant, Asst. Attorney General  John P Carlin resigned as head of the DOJ-NSD.    –SEE HERE–  Did Carlin resign in protest? or, did Carlin resign knowing he too had served a larger purpose?

Occam’s Razor: The FISA Title I surveillance authority over Carter Page was cover, most likely retroactive cover, for the DOJ and FBI conducting surveillance on the Trump campaign.  Previous to the October 21st, 2016, FISA Warrant the FBI was limited to using illegal searches of FISA(702)(16)(17) FBI and NSA databases {see here}; and according to the New York Times: “National Security Letters”.

National Security Letters are a type of administrative subpoena designed to allow the FBI to access the records of people suspected of being foreign agents. Section 505 of the Patriot Act expanded the FBI’s ability to use these subpoenas: FBI agents now only have to state that the information sought is “relevant” to a national security investigation in order to obtain sensitive financial, communications and other personal records. The letters are issued by FBI field offices and are not subject to judicial oversight. Recipients of these letters are under a gag order. (link)

The DOJ-National Security Division and FBI Counterintelligence Unit didn’t care about Carter Page because to them he was a useful tool.  It wasn’t Page they needed, per se’, they just needed someone, anyone, who had contact with the Trump campaign that they could apply the label “foreign agent” upon.  After all, it’s only a damn insurance policy etc.

♦ OK, for the next part I’m going to quote Ristvan (and expand):

Read thru the key parts quickly. Several notable facts.
•P. 2 Nunes is correct, the initiating ‘info’ came from State.
•P. 5 The ‘instigator’ was Clapper.
•P. 8. Timing onset suspicions confirmed. The ‘surveillance’ started 3/16, NOT with the official opening of ‘Crossfire Hurricane’ on 7/31/16.
•P. 53 ‘verified in accordance with FBI 4/5/2001 policy.’ NOT. Both Comey and McCabe testified under oath to congress otherwise.
•Pp. 63 and 65. Attested to by Comey and Yates. Both in violation of 18USC1018, felonious false attestation by federal officials.

The heavy redactions do NOT obscure the basic illegality of this FISA application. A BIG DEAL.

Ristvan did a great job boiling down the crux of the issue, and outlining the most damaging aspects.

♦ Page #2: The initiating information came from the U.S. State Dept:

♦ Page #5: The instigator was ODNI James Clapper:

The funny thing is, James Clapper didn’t even know he was in the FISA application…. and you know what,… I believe him.  Why? Because he’s a complete doofus and the people pulling off this FISA fraud/scheme wouldn’t want him to actually be a part of it.  Secondly, Clapper published this in January, 2017:


♦ Page #8  The FISA application shows ‘surveillance’ started March 2016, referencing a meeting with George Papadopoulos -sourced from Christopher Steele- NOT with the official opening of ‘Crossfire Hurricane’ on 7/31/16.

Again, sloppy in hindsight to use Christopher Steele and Stephan Halper for these tenuous at best justifications, but they never anticipated having to justify any of this.

♦ Page #53 ‘verified in accordance with FBI 4/5/2001 policy.’

No, actually, the FBI did not review this verified application for accuracy.  Quite the contrary: Both James Comey and Andrew McCabe testified under oath to congress the content of the Steele Dossier, Chris Steele, FBI source #1, was never verified for accuracy.

They might have made this affirmation on the application; but in answering questions about the dossier that underpins the application they stated exactly the opposite.

♦ Pages #63 and #65.  This FISA application is attested to by FBI Director James Comey and Asst Attorney General Sally Yates.  Both swear on the authenticity of the information  in violation of 18USC1018, felonious false attestation by federal officials.

•On page #15 they attest the FBI is unaware of any derogatory information about Source #1 Christopher Steele.  However, they knew when they filed this application that Chris Steele was shopping the information to the media and talking to Fusion GPS, his employer, and to media outlets.

•The FBI knew the Clinton Campaign was paying for the dossier yet they never informed the court of the political motive behind Christopher Steele.

•The FBI knew they were using media articles (page 21, 22, 24) that were entirely the outcome of their own leaks to the media.  On page #23 the FBI correctly states their opinion that Chris Steele was *not* the source of one of the articles; however, they only knew that because the FBI *was* the source of the article. They cited their own leaks as confirmation for the original application.

There is one original application in October of 2016, and three subsequent renewals (Jan, April, June, 2017).  Each is valid for 90 days.  Curiously the June 2017 renewal was filed a month earlier than needed.  This is the one signed by Rod Rosenstein.  Why the rush?

Additionally, other than a February 2017 letter to the DOJ by Carter Page about Hillary Clinton, there is nothing new in the three follow-ups which would legally validate any reason to renew or continue the intrusive surveillance.

We suspect the final renewal (Rosenstein/McCabe) a month early was due to the IG conducting his investigation in the background and discovering the motives and text messages with Lisa Page and Peter Strzok.

It is likely Rosenstein/Mueller rushed to extend the FISA knowing bad news was inbound from the IG that might disrupt plans for the insurance policy.





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1,347 Responses to A Review of the DOJ/FBI FISA Application Release…

  1. DanO64 says:

    Sure is going to be an interesting week coming up. I going to take an extra helping of winnamins to get prepare for the shit storm coming. Release the VSG.

    Liked by 6 people

  2. Betty says:

    Does anyone remember what Victoria Nuland’s roll was in the Benghazi hearings. Remember one of the Surviving solders said it like the moslem brotherhood had control of the State Department. I think I am remembering it all wrong, I searched a little but I can’t find anything, does anyone remember?

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    • De Oppresso Libre says:

      “…..like the moslem brotherhood had control of the State Department….”

      You are more correct than you realize, Betty. There is a very inconvenient fact that the 5th column, complicit, America-hating media estate has successfully scrubbed from the public’s conscience/memory. MALIK OBAMA is the former president’s half-brother, but the two are actually very close. So close, in fact, that Malik was Barry’s BEST MAN at his wedding to Moochelle. It is also a fact that Malik Obama is a TOP LIEUTENANT in the Mooslim Bruthahood. I know, it sounds unbelievable, but like the old adage says, “You can’t make this schitt up.”

      While President Trump’s advisors, secretaries, assistants, and even family members are given a thorough rectal examination prior to receiving security clearances, Bath House Barry’s entourage were given clearances like Halloween candy – hippies, communists, drug addicts, whatever…..he got whatever he wanted, but the security risk of your close half-brother being a TOP LIEUTENANT in one of the world’s largest terrorist organizations is unbelievable, unfathomable,……when an avowed communist and moooslim like John Brennan is your CIA director, well, you get what we got. I only hope both Malik and Brennan are fully exposed to the American public, so we will understand the full extent of the TREASON that the UNIPARTY (democrats AND republicans), and their willing accomplices in the media, allowed to both take power, and also do as of yet still unknown amounts of damage to our intelligence and security organizations. It will literally take a complete top-to-bottom cleaning out of ALL our intelligence agencies (FBI-CIA-DIA-DOJ-State-DOD-and some I cannot recall right now) to guarantee all the evildoers are removed; it could take years to complete. We cannot allow these people to take charge again…..no matter what.

      President Trump is the right man, at the right time, and in the right place. He has said that he didn’t want to get involved, but that he would if he had to. His tweet yesterday said (paraphrasing) that the republicans needed to get smart fast and EXPOSE (key word) what the guilty had been up to. President Trump has the goods and is going to drop the hammer, when he’s ready. TRUST TRUMP – TRUST THE PLAN – MAGA!

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  3. goddessoftheclassroom (@goddesofthecl1) says:

    I have a theory about why the pace is what it is.

    If you pull a plug on a bathtub but the water is still running, the water level might decrease a bit, but the tub remains full. To apply this to the “Draining the Swamp” metaphor, let’s say that the water supply has to be diverted.

    President Trump and his team have decided to turn off/divert the water first. Every step, however small, has stymied the usual progress of the Deep State. The Deep State has been too busy trying to get the water running again that it hasn’t been very effective in stymieing President Trump & his agenda.

    NOW the bathtub/Swamp can begin to be drained.

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    • Minnie says:

      Thank you.


    • ForGodandCountry says:

      Good analogy.

      Think of it as a ship or submarine at sea.

      The very FIRST thing to do with a breach in the hull is to stop the water from coming in. It matters very little if you can pump it out unless you can stop it from coming in, FIRST.

      Plugging the leaks and/or the breach is the very first thing that must happen. The flow of water must be stopped, first, before subsequent damage control measures can/will be effective.

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    • This is very accurate. Q mentioned that information needed to slowly be introduced so the public can digest it and move support away from Swamp. If you give people too much, they won’t believe it or they will think that Trump is trying to retaliate against opposition vs. seeking justice.

      In addition to that, the American people need to be awake to the crimes that committed BEFORE arrests are made. If they are not, significant civil unrest and possibly civil war would result. That outcome is not what is intended so the slow process of discrediting propaganda sources (the MSM), creating new lines of communication (Twitter, Q, specific investigative journalists), and waking up the American public with a slow but steady stream of information, is the proper course of action.

      Q constantly says, “Trust in the Plan. Trust in the President.”

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  4. marc says:

    The authors mosaic of the guilty is on target. Halper and the rest of the assets put in place are critical to the scheme. Not a huge leap to believe the redacted sections within the application are related to information derived from those assets.

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  5. Dazza says:

    How is it we never hear anything about Christopher Steele other than he was the creator of the dossier. No reporters have tracked him down, etc.
    Very strange if you ask me.

    Liked by 3 people

    • B Woodward says:

      The mainsteam media doesn’t want to talk to Steele. The reason is that the only thing that Steele can say at this point is that none of his alleged Russian stories have been verified, and that doesn’t help the mainstream media bash PDT 365 days a year.

      Steele obviously pissed off some people with his dossier, including some Russians. Steele has been sued for libel. So Steele’s attorney probably isn’t letting his client talk to the media. Steele had to show up in a British court and testify. Steele had to admit that his dossier had not been verified and he stated that it contained “limited intelligence.” That’s not something the mainstream media wants to publish. Here is one link, although it doesn’t have much info the London trial.


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    • singingsoul says:

      What I like to know is concerning Christophe Steele he is a British National and interfered in the US 2016 election why is he not arrested …?

      Liked by 6 people

      • MrWWonka says:

        Was MI5/6 and the British Government involved??? seems possible

        Liked by 1 person

      • spren says:

        And what about Fusion GPS, Perkins Coie, Hillary, and the DNC PAYING a foreign agent for information to be used in a campaign? All of these entities are guilty of felonies.

        It is not illegal to acquire information for free from a foreign national. The “infamous” Trump Tower meeting involving Donald Jr etal with Natalia involved no payment, yet has been the focus of the media and Democrat hysteria. Talking with a Russian is not illegal.


    • ForGodandCountry says:

      Steele is a peon. Insignificant beyond the facts surrounding him. A nobody in the grand scheme of things. A foot soldier. A private.

      We want those in the high command, and to make an example of them.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Leane Kamari says:

        A first victim was his former boos, head of the British GCIC Hannigan (a rather young chap) who resigned right after the US election.


    • Dixie T says:

      Christopher Steele is having his own problems in a UK high court!!!!! But his testimony there has been helpful to Trump in that he stated to the UK Judge that he had “warned” the FBI not to use the “dossier” in any legal situation, because it CANNOT BE VERIFIED! (He stated this in the UK high court!) He said it cannot be verified because even he (Steele) does not know the names of the ‘Russian officials’ who supposedly gave harmful info about Trump, for the dossier!!!!

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  6. JBTEX says:

    I can hear the excuse for the early renewal, now. “It takes so long to get a FISA renewal, extensions have to be filed early to insure uninterrupted coverage.” I have heard this excuse many times in my former career, and it is based solely upon the time required to vet information and sources, check credibility of information, and required sign offs by the upper managers. HOWEVER, none of these “reasons” apply, in this case, because there was not vetting, review or credibility check, because the “upper managers” wrote it and approved their own work. What’s more, the comment Sundnce makes about lacking substance is so true. I have written and read FISA applications in my past career, and without divulging anything I shouldn’t, this affidavit would not have made it past the stenographer typing it up! (Sort of dates me). There is no investigation, apparent, there is no real information, there is no intelligence, (in both definitions of the word). A real application, for a real lawful order, would have included the necessary detailed investigation and timelines for intelligence that the Constitution requires. This application wouldn’t get a signed hall pass in an elementary school. At least when the law was observed and followed. This rag (document with ridiculous redations) is disgusting.

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  7. Dazza says:

    I wish PDJT had accused Britain of meddling in the 2016 Election ie. Steele, etc. when he was there recently. Disgusting what has happened to that country. They are a basket case of politically correct wusses. Decades of liberal brainwashing at school.
    Absolutely disgusting to watch. Spineless.

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  8. phoenixRising says:

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    • Jederman says:

      Take it a couple steps higher.

      Yesterday on CNN Clapper gives full “credit” to obama himself for instigating the investigations of PTRUMP and his crew. Uh oh… .

      Liked by 4 people

      • singingsoul says:

        Jederman says:
        “Take it a couple steps higher.
        Yesterday on CNN Clapper gives full “credit” to obama himself for instigating the investigations of PTRUMP and his crew. Uh oh… .”
        Are they trowing Obama under the buss to save Hilary…?
        Whom are they protecting Brennon..?

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        • andy says:

          without the DNI report obabme authorized, there would have been no second renewal.

          Liked by 1 person

        • rocketride says:

          If they are throwing Obunghole under the bus to save Killary, why? Do they seriously think she’s a viable candidate (or will even still be breathing) in 2020? Or are they just afraid of being found dead of multiple self-inflicted gunshots.


  9. Bryan Alexander says:

    Folks, Carter Page was not a rube, nor was he duped. Page is an Intelligence Operative working for the CIA or FBI.

    On Television, he comes across as a dufus who can barely construct 2 coherent thoughts. do you think that is true?
    This guy won an appointment to Annapolis and graduated as a distinguished scholar, in the top 10% of his class in 1993. Check.
    He gained his masters in National Security Studies from Georgetown in 1994. Check.
    He then served his 5 years in the Navy, with a large portion of it as an intelligence officer working with NATO. Check.
    He had a year long fellowship with Council on Foreign Relations. Check.
    He has an MBA from New York University. Check.

    Five big check marks that “doofuses” do not earn.

    He went to work with Merrill Lynch in 2000. Did 8 years in London and Moscow. Check for developing foreign contacts. Reportedly, his work was unremarkable and he was unknown to most decision makers.

    Then, in 2008, he starts his own investment company. The rest of his career is a mishmash of working with foreigners and their money, making contacts and generally being “around”.

    I would bet large sums of money (if I was a gambler) that he was recruited by the CIA and went to work for them as soon as he left the Navy.

    CARTER PAGE WORKED ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN “JUST IN CASE”. You never know when you might need to get some inside info on his campaign.

    Mueller is not charging Page because he is one of them. He would torch them if they tried to put him in prison for doing what they wanted him to do.

    Liked by 8 people

    • Mark McQueen says:

      Asset/agent/operative? Yes. Dupe? Who knows? He won’t be charged because he knows too much? For sure.

      Liked by 2 people

    • CopperTop says:

      Yeah. There’s the infamous response to G. Gutfield direct address?

      “Are you a Russian Spy”

      “No I’m not a Russian spy”

      …because he’s an “agent of {another} foreign government.

      Probably Ukraine and probably a double…and see below (unrelated when I wrote it…thus tied to the above….inconceivable BUT)…and probably and probably…useful no matter.

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    • Heika says:

      This is my exact thought Bryan and has been for some time. He was a spy alright, a spy for FBI, and yes I agree. He has ‘infiltrated’ the deepest skeptics on the tele, such as Tucker Carlson who has been tricked by him. Unusual but you can read it all over Carter Page’s face. He is very very clever. It is quite easy when you move the base premise as him as the victim, and simply imagine that he is in full consent with this entire charade that he is a victim. He is ‘playing the fool’, in order to cover that he was actually sent into Trump’s campaign to spy, and the deal in my view was, in the complete full plan – this was done so he COULD BE (he is paid to be) the subject of the FISA warrant. You could even say that the fact that he has not been charged or arrested is because he is one of them. It’s not hard at all to see it like this. His body language (let alone your good research on his background) smacks of a trick.

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    • Doug says:

      I never believed him to be stupid. I guess the real tell would be where did his name come from when Trump named him? Just like Manafort..???

      Liked by 1 person

    • Sunshine says:

      I always felt Carter Page was a ”plant”. He never spoke with Trump, he wasn’t in Trump’s circle, he was a second- or third-level player in Trump’s campaign.
      I agree with everything you write.

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    • sailor2014 says:

      You may well be right. I don’t know. However, Page strikes me as one of those geniuses who can’t find their way out of a paper bag. He is one strange bird. A likable one, but very strange and esoteric, nonetheless.

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    • JAS says:

      Page is not a stupid man, far from it. He plays the stupid part as an act, for his own benefit, and for those who he works for.

      It is a difficult art to master when you are really smart. That’s because there is the innate urge to set the dumber ones right. It’s really a tough part to play.

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  10. CopperTop says:

    … off the grid for 36 hours and bam it’s out …Well done all.

    Added analysis on key point by Ristvan:
    •P. 2 Nunes is correct, the initiating ‘info’ came from State.

    WHY did the Initiating info come from State? Sure… maybe from (Nuland?) based on her correct assumption not to touch Trump ties to Russia period no matter how she became aware

    OR was HRC expecting something of the Kerry State Dept in terms of how Russia could be positioned throughout her campaign up and too including framing info on debates about Ukraine (which had known ‘operatives’ like Chalupa).

    Trump was not supposed to be able to perform well against her PERIOD. She was supposed to control this time period and position her foreign policy during these debates so that the American people would be behind her actions in Ukraine set up against the ever dubious Putin. What American voter would be opposed to such logic?

    Only…she never controlled the debates (even with the questions given to her) and HE was never supposed to win.

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  11. Doug says:

    This is an aspect of this whole charade that the talking heads on TV still do not grasp.:

    “”””The DOJ-National Security Division and FBI Counterintelligence Unit didn’t care about Carter Page because to them he was a useful tool. It wasn’t Page they needed, per se’, they just needed someone, anyone, who had contact with the Trump campaign that they could apply the label “foreign agent” upon””””

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    • Mark McQueen says:

      To me it’s ironic (or moronic) that the guy they picked turns out, in view of all the facts surrounding him, is the LEAST plausible.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Doug says:

        They needed someone, and they needed him FAST. In a way, because of his travels and contacts he made a plausible spy. At that point all they needed to do was omit a few key facts and sell it to a Rubber Stamp FISA judge

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    • sailor2014 says:

      Don’t forget, Page had an office in Trump Tower. The NSA/CIA had permission per the FISA warrant to listen into all his calls and, I suspect, calls they “just happened” to catch in their surveillance of him. His office was in the other tower but he frequented Starbucks in the tower Trump and associates were in.

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  12. thedoc00 says:

    I hope Judicial watch submits a FOIA request for the list of “Associate Employees” at the FBI for the period 2008-2016. Comey, in my opinion, let the secrete out of the bag when he exposed the guy who “leaked” his meeting notes with the President. The FBI, possibly under direction, was hiring “Associate Employees” and issuing them clearances like pop-corn. Given they could claim to be employees of the FBI, the media folks were dipping into the NSA data bases via queries and other law INTEL or law enforcement data bases were technically the “inside sources” making the leaks. These were among the leaks Admiral Rogers stopped and the media spouses complained directly through their bedroom partners in the Obama Administration to help have Rogers removed.

    The “Associate Employees” did keep the links into the data bases directly controlled by the FBI and DOJ, so they could still research and access “findings” by the FBI and DOJ.

    Recall the leaks about Candidate Trump started way earlier than 2016. They started as soon as he became a viable candidate to become the Republican Nominee.

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    • thedoc00 says:

      One could also ignore the President Trump angle, and consider if this has not been standard procedure for a much longer time at the FBI.

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      • thedoc00 says:

        This why I would not be so quick to attack Fox for releasing Gilfoyle from her contract. This may be another one of those ticking bombs that goes off real soon with legal actions and regulations to address. Members of media management may be in for a rough time.

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        • sailor2014 says:

          Because of Gilfoyle’s relationship with Don jr? One of many, many in the DC/NYC corridor.
          The elites make jokes about Arkansas etc. and everyone being related. Ark. has nothing on DC/NYC and the Media’s incestuous relationships with each other.
          Gilfoyle and Fox did the right thing when she left. Too bad the others won’t follow suit.

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  13. pnj01 says:

    I reviewed the 412 pages (which didn’t take that long given the redactions) looking for WHY the application was renewed so many times. What was the Investigator learning that justified this extraordinary intrusion on the liberties of Americans? Hard to tell.

    Although each of the applications was longer than the preceding one (65 became 79, which became 91, which became 101 in the last June Application), almost NO new information was left unredacted. All the old stuff from the first application was retained but almost nothing new, until the June application which at p. 49 (340 on SCRIBD) went off into a pretty bizarre discussion of some letter Carter Page sent to the DOJ Civil Rights Division in Feb. 2017 complaining about Election Fraud by “Candidate 2’s Team.” Then another 13 pages of redactions (which I ASSUME concerned DOJ “investigation” of the Page complaint, but that is just supposition). Still from the initial application through the third application in April 26 pages were added and there is no way to figure out what the additional stuff is.

    If the applications were for Title III wiretaps, the added material would be necessary to establish probable cause that continued wiretapping was necessary and was revealing evidence of a crime, but none of that is apparent in the later three applications. (At least that is what was required many years ago when Title III was young and so was I). Is that because the fruit of the prior surveillance is set forth there but has been redacted? Hard to tell. I am going to try to analyze the “adds” to each of the applications to try to figure out where they were but then redacted. I’ll write more.

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    • pnj01 says:

      I was wrong in the second paragraph of my earlier post about the Feb. 2017 Page Complaint to the DOJ Civil Rights Division being laid out in the June Re-Up for the first time. It actually appears for the first time in the April Application at p. 44 (225 of 412). It is then followed by a then-new 9 page redaction, which grows to 14 pages in the June Re-Up.

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    • zorrorides says:

      pnj01anon. thanks for your solid work.


    • pnj01 says:

      I reviewed the 4 applications to compare significant sized (2 page or longer) redactions because there was so little new information unredacted as one went from the first to the fourth applications. The applications grew by more than half: 36 pages from 65 to 79 to 91 to 101. Yet, with the exception of an added reference to Page’s Feb. 2017 Complaint to the DOJ Civil Rights Division in the April Application that added about a page of new text material, almost all the added pages seem to be of added REDACTED Material. To make the identification of that added material manageable, I just looked at 2 page or greater redactions. Here are the significant adds:

      A) the six page redaction on pages 26-32 of the October application grew to 16 pages in the January application, so that explains 10 of the 36 increased pages from first to last application;
      B) the January application contained a new section “Specific Authorities Requested” that added 6 pages to the January, April and June applications,so that explains 6 of the remaining 26 increased pages from first to last application;
      C) the April application added an 10 page redaction after the new text on Page’s 2/17 Civil Rights Complaint, so that explains 10 of the remaining 20 increased pages from first to last application; and
      D) the June application added a two page redaction at pp. 26-28 that lines up with what appeared to be a 1/2 page redaction (compare p. 21 of the original application to p. 26 of the June application in earlier applications), and pages 50-64 of the June application seemed to be an expansion of the 10 page redaction mentioned in C above, so those two changes explain about six of the remaining 10 pages.  

      I can’t explain what might be contained in those five added sections that have been redacted but that is the only place the Deep State could have laid out “found evidence” from the earlier surveillance.  I don’t think they laid much out, but that is a guess at this point.


      • pnj01 says:

        Bartiromo’s interview of Chairman Goodlatte on July 22 suggests that the extensive redactions in the follow-on applications contained little evidence of Carter Page’s being an agent. That supports my opinion that the redactions didn’t lay out much “found evidence.”


  14. ForGodandCountry says:

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    • BobR says:

      Why release any of this? Sessions should secure evidence, indict guilty parties, put them in jail, hold trials, convict. Let us learn about evidence as the trials proceed. If he does not want to do his job find some prosecutor who does

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  15. Kan says:

    1) The footnote on page #23 states “The FBI does not believe source #1 directly provided this information to the press”. We know from Iskaoff that Steele did provide him directly with the information for the Sept 23rd article. To say that the FBI provided IsaKoff the information is wrong – unless IsaKoff is now lying about his source.

    2) I believe the FBI used the media interview with Clapper, rather than an affidavit from him, to protect him against a perjury charge and not to keep Clapper out of the loop. Either way the fact the FISC did not say WTF to this is a big, big mystery.

    3) Not knowing the redacted part, the FISA application is correct when saying in March 2016 Trump announced that Pappy and Page were on his foreign policy advisory team. This does not prove the surveillance started then.


  16. alliwantissometruth says:

    WEBSTERS New Reality Dictionary

    Classified : Word / Designation used by corrupt & criminal government officials / scumbags to hide evidence of their corruption & criminality

    Redaction(s) : See Classified

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  17. litlbit2 says:

    Sundance I have been curious, in the last picture frame of the article showing photos of those involved. Would you explain the color of the boxes(frames) around photos.

    Some white, some yellow, some red, some red/yellow. The bottom center connection, Manafort, Flynn no connecting line? Thanks

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  18. Donna in Oregon says:

    Page is weird. CIA asset? IDK, but he’s a weirdo. The fact that he isn’t in a cell next to Manafort makes me think that he a useful idiot. He knew he was being used as a way into the Trump admin., just like how they used him in the other muh Russia case, as a stool pigeon.

    Page is a tool.

    Manafort is probably going to have a heart attack or some unknown medical issue soon if he has the goods on some of the Swamp creatures. Isn’t that what the Socialists do to their detractors or potential loose ends? Kill ’em off? We shall see…

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  19. satenniskristy says:

    What I want to know more about is these FISC judges. Do they simply rubber stamp everything handed to them or were they complicit in this conspiracy? Apparently they approve 99% of cases handed to them. That is shockingly telling. IMO This court must be abolished. Who has authority over the FISC court?? Can there be appeals to warrants issused, such as in a case like this where they were lied to?! This is so outrageous! I have completely lost faith in all of our institutions, especially the FBI and now the judiciary system! There is no accountability. Even the Supreme Court ruling 4 to 5 on Trump’s travel ban being unconstitutional is outrageous, as it specifically states in the constitution it is in his authority to do. So many of these judges, who legislate from the bench, need to be removed! I like how in Texas, where I live, we vote for district judges. But I digress…..anyways, if people could chime in on information on the FISC judges, I am very interested to learn more about them and who has authority over them…what can be done now that we know all of this!

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  20. JeePacorn says:

    . . .so Page should be hauled in and indicted tomorrow, right? Now that the applicants’ identification (not suspicion) of him as an agent of a foreign power is formally in the public sphere, really Mueller has got to bring him in soonest. Right? What are the chances that Mueller deflects that indictment to some other non-SC prosecution team, like he did with all the Russian indictees?

    And if he isn’t indicted tomorrow, that should be the only question Rs are asking every single time a camera is on their face: why hasn’t the SC indicted Page?


  21. Facts says:

    Just wondering if Mueller is mentioned in the redacted portions of the FISA. Will we ever find out?


  22. satenniskristy says:

    Also where is Christopher Steele??? Has congress tried to bring him in for questioning? Why has Mueller not questioned him or anyone within the the DNC/Hillary campaign since we know it was the DNC and HC who bought and paid for the Steele Dossier?! (Rhetorical question, of course). WITCH HUNT! I’m also sick of hearing Mueller and Comey are “Republicans.” That doesn’t mean jack! They are all deep state scum!


  23. PS says:

    Clapper can’t keep his clap trapped.

    “Obama was behind the whole thing.” Why drop this now 2 years into the Russia farce?


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  24. Pencil_Pushin says:


    10 Ways DOJ Abused Its Authority When It Spied On Trump’s Campaign
    1. First, the DOJ abused the FISA process by presenting to the court the unverified “raw intelligence” report of Christopher Steele, commonly known as the Steele dossier.
    2. The DOJ purposefully hid from the FISA court the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee’s role in funding the Steele dossier.
    3. The DOJ needed to establish probable cause that Page was “an agent of a foreign power” and was engaged in “activities [that] involve or may involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States,” but the FBI lacked reliable evidence to establish these elements. Further, probable cause needed to exist for the initial October 21, 2016 warrant and for each subsequent renewal.
    4. The FBI repeatedly represented to the court that Mr. Steele told the FBI he did not have unauthorized contacts with the press about the dossier prior to October 2016. But Mr. Steele has admitted—publicly before a court of law—that he did have such contacts with the press at this time
    5. Misleading the FISA Court on the timing and reason the FBI launched operation Crossfire Hurricane.
    6. Misleading the FISA Court that Papadopoulos Colluded with Russia
    7. Misleading Claims that Papadopoulos Was Connected to DNC Hacking
    8. Misleading Claims that Papadopoulos Interacted with Russian Agents
    9. Misleading about Page’s Connections with Russian Agents
    10. Political Bias of the DOJ and FBI Official Involved in the FISA Applications

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  25. scott467 says:

    “The overall FISA application is ridiculously short on substance, and generally is a long way from providing the evidence needed for Title-1 surveillance authority over a U.S. person. In fact, the FISA application is very sloppy… almost as if it wasn’t a priority to have a solid and defensible document. I think there’s a simple reason for that.”


    That observation means Judge Collyer is either complicit or incompetent.

    Either she’s part of the effort to weaponize government against the lawfully elected president of the United States, or she’s so incompetent that she’s authorizing surveillance on Americans without basic probably cause.

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    • scott467 says:

      probable” cause.

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    • scott467 says:

      Furthermore, if she is complicit, then she is also involved in ongoing obstruction, and must be removed.

      And if she was incompetent, she knows it now, and will be doing everything possible to cover her own backside, which means she is compromised.

      Conflict of interest is the least of her worries.

      But conflict of interest is more than enough to have her removed.

      Either way, she must be removed.

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  26. scott467 says:

    “Key word: “unlikely“, they never contemplated -until later- the full scope of justification that would be needed…. they were setting up something no-one really thought would need to be utilized…. all of the legal apoplexy and ass-covering came in hindsight.”


    Which they HAVE to know — based on their OWN personal law enforcement experience — you CAN’T do it that way.

    There are far too many moving parts, too many parties to the conspiracy with too many individual vulnerabilities.

    And another thing which we hardly ever talk about.

    Who is the LEADER of the ongoing conspiracy?

    Somebody has to be in charge, directing the major and minor players. Somebody has to be coordinating the tweets from Comey/Yates/Brennan et al. Somebody has to be in control of this entire ridiculously unwieldy mess, or it wouldn’t have gone on nearly so far.

    None of the participants doing independent ad-hoc improvisation. If they were, the whole thing would have fallen apart a long time ago.

    So who is calling the shots of this ongoing treason and sedition?

    Somebody is…

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    • dalethorn says:

      Someone not officially in government. Someone powerful. Someone who is expert in directing disinformation and coverup. I’d hate to pick on anyone, but it wouldn’t be difficult to produce a short list of candidates.

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    • wheatietoo says:

      Scott…all of these people that are visible, are the Operatives.
      High Level Operatives.

      And yeah, these Operatives are doing the bidding of someone.
      There may be more than just one.
      In fact, that is probably the most likely scenario.

      These visible, high level operatives may not even know who their ultimate bosses are.
      They may not have even ever met them.
      It would make sense that they have never met them.

      Valerie Jarret is still calling the shots…why else would she have moved into HusseinO’s residence in DC.
      But Jarret answers to…someone.

      I refer to these ultimate bosses as ‘Globalists’.
      Because it is the Globalist elites who have the most to lose…if our President succeeds.

      All of these things that we are seeing — the protests, the media narratives, the talking points — have ValJar & O’s fingerprints all over them.
      But V & O are simply carrying out orders from above.

      None of these Operatives are innocent, though.
      They have willfully broken laws and created fake evidence to frame our President.
      They have lied to the public to cover up their crimes.
      They have intentionally divided our nation, to pit us against each other.

      I am hoping and praying that a few of these Operatives will spill what they know, so that we can see some justice.


  27. Sedanka says:

    Have a feeling that Jeff Sessions’ Christmas gift this year will be his firing.

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  28. jeans2nd says:

    There is still an ongoing DOJ IG Investigation into FISA abuse.
    This would never have been released had the DOJ IG still required it for the DOJ IG FISA Abuse Investigation. imo

    There were multiple FOIAs for the release of this Carter Page FISA, but did not Devin Nunes also ask for its release? AUSA John Lausch may have been the one to release this FISA to all requesting parties, including House and Senate oversight committees, for whom Lausch is their purported liason. The DOJ IG FISA Abuse Investigation may be the reason for the illogical redactions.

    Might we conjecture that the DOJ IG Investgation into FOIA abuse be nearing its end?

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  29. ron Milam says:

    This guy seems to b able t prove that Carter Page might be an FBI Agent or an Undercover Guy Via documents. https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/carter-page-was-an-fbi-agent-proof-inside/77784714/


  30. satenniskristy says:

    Why is it that we never hear 70%+ of any of this from any other news outlets? Even WSJ, Fox News does not talk about all we learn about on TCH. You would think Hannity, Levin would be all over so many of these details. What is going on? It is very strange.

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  31. A refresher, re: State Dept.

    Remember Shailagh Murray?
    Married to Neil King.
    Neil King of Fusion GPS.


    First rate work, Sundance. Tip of the cap.

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  32. Leane Kamari says:

    Notice 4 different judges signed off. BTW there is something interesting on the OIG website, here is the link

    Click to access f180718.pdf


  33. recoverydotgod says:

    Thanks, Sundance, for the summary and analysis. Crazy stuff. Kind of scary, too. Who would want to be involved in a campaign when surveillance powers are released on an opposing political campaign? “Whoever* released the redacted FISA warrant shows transparently what happened.


  34. ontoiran says:

    well…we can’t say we weren’t warned. time and time again. too many people in this country willing to trade a little liberty for some amorphous “security”. now there really is a boogey man under the bed


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