Report: King Salman Expected To Hand Power To Crown Prince Next Week…

Given the speed of events in Saudi Arabia this year a stunning report surfaces stating that King Salman is anticipated to hand over ruling authority to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman next week.

According to The Daily Mail King Salman will retain the title of guardian of the holy mosques but otherwise hand over all ruling authority to the crown prince.

The King of Saudi Arabia plans to step down and announce his son as his successor next week, a source close to the country’s royal family has exclusively told

The move is seen as the final step in 32-year-old Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s power grab, which began earlier this month with the arrests of more than 40 princes and government ministers in a corruption probe.

The source said King Salman will continue only as a ceremonial figurehead, handing over official leadership of the country to his son – often referred to as MBS.

‘Unless something dramatic happens, King Salman will announce the appointment of MBS as King of Saudi Arabia next week,’ said the source.

‘King Salman will play the role of the queen of England. He will only keep the title “Custodian of the Holy Shrines”. (read more)

If you haven’t followed the entirety of how the “Freedom Alliance” was assembled in the very early months shortly after the election of President Donald Trump, it’s hard to understand the scope of what is taking place in the middle-east.

The nations of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), led by Saudi Arabia, are on the cusp of transforming themselves into a modern and engaged era. The goals of the GCC allies, led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS) are to remove the influence agents who have supported extremism, the Muslim Brotherhood, and stimulated and/or enabled crisis for personal and ideological gains.

Because of the financial reach within the parties involved, the downstream consequences are being felt within the political bodies of most nations including our own. Specifically within Washington DC’s deep-state institutions, career politicians on foreign affairs committees, and within the upper and lower tiers of the aggregate U.S. State Dept.  A great realignment is taking place.

It doesn’t take a deep geopolitical thinker to see the basic outlines of what’s happening.  In order to confront the issues in the region, all of them, the most direct approach is to cut off the money.  Saudi Arabia and their regional partners in the Gulf Cooperation Council did just that; first with Qatar and then later with regional officials.

From U.S. President Trump’s perspective he says: ‘great, go for it – my administration has your back’.   After initial diplomatic strategy meetings, to discuss up the basic outlines and the consequences that could/would happen, well, then came the historic summit in Saudi Arabia.    Five months later King Salman and the Crown Prince execute the plan.

After a few challenging weeks of rolling out The Big Ugly… Saudi Arabia version, King Salman now supports the crown prince to take over and take charge of the details.

Crown Prince Salman is moving toward opening and broadening Saudi Arabia’s economy to a host of international investors, which also means the U.S. no longer influencing Saudi Arabia on its own internal decisions.   President Trump supports national identity, investment competition, and countries charting their own course; allies assembled as partners are more prone toward stability.

Following the Saudi Summit President Trump was clear on supporting Saudi Arabia and any Mid-East state who desired to live in peace.  Instead of demanding influence, the only condition established by President Trump was that funding and support for terrorism must stop, and all regional governments join together with “unity of responsible nations”.

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206 Responses to Report: King Salman Expected To Hand Power To Crown Prince Next Week…

  1. Osugagal says:

    And all the press can talk about is Roy Moore. If US citizens really knew what President Trump has achieved , rather than only knowing the lies told by the MSM, the President’s approval rating would be nearly 100%. I
    am in awe of what President Trump has been able to do.

    Liked by 91 people

  2. Gina Zmick says:

    Bravo to our masterful President

    Liked by 10 people

    • thluckyone says:

      Gina, I STILL. CANNOT. BELIEVE all this is happening – and we get to live to see it. Christ Jesus is my Lord and Savior and I will worship none other. AND, I also believe our incredible President Donald J. Trump is now one of the hands of God – raised up for just this time. The LION of the Tribe of MAGA! He is a force of Nature and of History.

      TOO MANY FACTORS (coincidences?) have been brought together – in just the right way, at just the right time, in just the right places. And I suspect there is far more – that was and is going on – behind the scenes of history – about which we may never know (this side of forever). The One Eternal plays 10d (no, INFINITY d Chess) and the accomplishment of His work of reconciliation is breathtaking to behold.

      Back home, we used to say “Miss-chee-vee-ous ways. The Good Lawd sho’ do work in “Miss-chee-vee-ous ways, His wonders to unfold”. If this is some of it, then more’s the Glory to Him. Thank you for being here, Gina! I hope you’re enjoying the show at LEAST as much as I am!

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  3. fedback says:

    Seems like a good idea. The Crown Prince is making many powerful enemies with his bold actions and reforms.
    If he’s King, he will me much more protected

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    • millwright says:

      fb: Don’t bet the ranch on that ! Even back when I lived in the KSA ( mid Seventies) “baksheesh” was a way of life ( like it is in much of the world ) and certain “Princes” each controlled imports of “prohibited items” like beer and booze, western porn, etc. Back then the King , Abdul bin Aziz, traveled with an armed escort that included some serious mobile firepower ( wheeled six-tons mounting twin 20mms or bigger ) plus a platoon – perhaps more – of “Red Berets” all elite troops with serious light weapons to hand. I agree this new Prince is making some serous enemies – at home and abroad – but he seems to be focused upon driving the “Protectors of the Faith” citizens of the KSA back to a more moderate, ( ala the Sunnis) religious position, and with that the Kingdom as well !

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  4. annieoakley says:

    From everything that I have read this seems to be good development for the whole world.

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  5. rumpole2 says:

    Jeff Sessions – guardian of the Deep State

    A ceremonial title.

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  6. Albertus Magnus says:

    Off topic, troll.

    Liked by 7 people

    • Mia C says:

      More 1) thread policing combined with 2) calling an OBVIOUS Conservative a “troll” to disguise an inability to make a cogent argument with some class that a fellow poster deserves. Also disguising a bad case of butthurt. Common and totally pathetic strategy here.

      Liked by 2 people

      • Albertus Magnus says:

        Nobody is butthurt.

        I AM ANNOYED, however.

        Every thread does NOT have to become a reason to post REPETITIVE, old, histrionic attacks on AG Sessions.

        The ONLY reason why ANYONE would do this, is to annoy others who SUPPORT MAGA, PDJT and HIS TEAM.

        So take your own pathetic defense to the open thread or the threads that relate to AG Sessions and stop trying to just piss people off.

        Please and thank you. God bless you. You are SO WELCOME and APPRECIATED.

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    • trapper says:

      Actually, not off topic. there is a possibility that Sessions has been laboring behind the scenes, out of sight, gathering the information for America’s own Big Ugly so that PDJT can drop the hammer here like MBS did in Saudi Arabia. America has been overrun by globalist corruption. PDJT’s public criticisms could have been a head fake to clear Sessions some battle space. If so, it worked. We shall see. Stay tuned. Sometimes things are as they appear, sometimes not.

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  7. grlangworth says:

    MBS is doing his best to save his country. The more of the $800 billion he is able to take back from these leeching ‘royal’ demons, the better chance for a future the Kingdom’s under-30 majority will have. Left to normal operating procedures of these royal family welfare recipients, all Saudis will be pounding sand within a decade.

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    • annieoakley says:

      I think the same.

      Liked by 3 people

    • Founding Fathers Fan says:

      Saudi Arabia is home to the world’s largest continuous sand desert – the Rub Al-Khali, or Empty Quarter. The desert covers some 650,000 square kilometers (250,000 sq. mi). Take away Saudi Arabia’s oil and all that’s left are a couple of Islamic shrines and a lot of sand and hot air. Also, all the men wear floor length dresses. That should give the ‘fashion police’ something to chew on.

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      • WSB says:

        It’s kind of a shame that US scientists were summoned over there in the first place to find water only to find them oil.

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      • millwright says:

        FFF: Last i knew there were a tribe of hardy Brits ensconced in the middle of the Rub Al Khali reporting on weather ! OTOH, the KSA has some of the most fertile ground this one-time farmer has ever seen. It also has a remarkably diverse climate ! There’s a sub-tropical micro-climate on its SW coast that winters European birds, has prolific vegetation and even pretty lizards ! I’ve even visited a huge surface pool of fresh water surrounded by sand dunes not too far from the Rhyidah !

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      • They need to look what is Israel doing with their tiny peace of desert: G-d’s promised paradise! Look, learn and live in peace.


  8. Founding Fathers Fan says:

    I’m sorry that your feelings are so hurt because Jeff Sessions doesn’t confide all of his moves to you. Perhaps you should stick to watching 1 hour TV crime shows where everything is scripted and all crimes are solved in about 43 minutes (allowing for commercials).

    Liked by 12 people

  9. decisiontime16 says:

    I agree Osugagal, but as we all know salacious stories sell. Better for ratings.
    Also the MSM has no interest in reporting all of President Trumps tremendous accomplishments that benefit all of us here in the US and abroad.

    Liked by 11 people

  10. dogsmaw says:

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  11. FL supporter of DJT & Team. says:

    Hmmmmm… with the Chinese paying a state visit to SA, did PDJT discuss business opportunities for China in exchange for a NK nuclear solution?

    Liked by 9 people

  12. Vince says:

    I have sometimes thought that the Vatican would be a good model for a future model of Saudi Arabia. The Vatican used to own almost all of what is now modern Italy, which was known as the Papal States. The Vatican eventually gave up its land to form modern Italy, and kept Vatican City.

    With King Salaman keeping the title of “Custodian of the Holy Shrines”, and Mohammed bin Salman as the King of Saudi Arabia, they are achieving a separation of mosque and state similar to the Vatican. Mecca and Medina can be separate international zones, outside of Saudi Arabia, like Vatican City. If King Salaman can pick his successor custodians, without interference from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, it will be a true separation.

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    • M. Mueller says:

      Hmm, I think you’ve got something there Vince. Hadn’t thought of it that way. Keep their religious ideal but free the rest of the country that doesn’t buy into them. Out-of-the-box thinking.

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    • wheatietoo says:

      King Salman inherited that title when his half-brother, King Abdullah, died in Jan 2015.
      So he hasn’t held it for very long, and it may be one of those title-for-life sort of things, I don’t know.

      But it is also called “Defender of the Holy Mosques” and “Protector of the two Holy Cities”…depending on who is saying it.

      The actual power to ‘defend and protect’ those holy mosques will fall to the young King Salmon, MbS, when he becomes the new king.
      So the retention of the title by the elder king seems more of a technical, ceremonial type of thing…rather than a signal that there will be a ‘separation of church & state’ taking place.

      The stark differences between Christianity and Islam will present a hindrance to that sort of separation.
      Until there is a ‘reformation’ of Islam, it will take powerful leaders at the top, to reign in the extremists and advocates of jihad.

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      • Tegan says:

        Isn’t the current King experiencing early onslaught of dementia or Alzheimer’s? Thought that’s what I read at one point. He definitely isn’t well and I give him credit for handing over the ruling authority to his son, who seems to have a vision and plan of action for the future. Sounds like someone we all know!

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      • Former lurker says:

        What might trigger such a reformation?

        Technology marches on. Nations no longer fight over coaling stations for dreadnoughts, and a smart young tech savvy Saudi king can see the future might not need oil the way we do now.

        Throw in a brave, money-smart POTUS willing to drain all swamps, arm him with a cabinet picked for abilities more than influence, and drive him with old fashioned heartfelt patriotism.

        Perhaps that might do it. That, and little Divine Providence.

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        • wheatietoo says:

          This young Prince Salmon doesn’t even engage in polygamy…which has been a tradition in the royal family forever.

          He has only one wife and says he has no plans to ever have more.

          He is trying to lead by example.
          Which is pretty awesome.

          He already has the support of all the women in Saudi Arabia, for trying to get them the right to drive cars.
          I hope this will help to keep him safe…because women often know what is going on behind the scenes.

          Liked by 16 people

      • scott467 says:

        “Until there is a ‘reformation’ of Islam, it will take powerful leaders at the top, to reign in the extremists and advocates of jihad.”


        How can there ever be a ‘reformation’ of islam?

        Who has the Authority to contradict what Mohamad did, or overrule what Mohamad said, or what is written in the Koran?

        Answer: Nobody.

        Mohamad made sure of it, he foreclosed on the possibility, by declaring himself the ‘Last Prophet’. Sooooooo… anybody who claims the authority to contradict Mohamad makes Mohamad a liar, and is stoned to death in 3… 2… 1…


        • Esperanza says:

          The Prince specifically wants to change this. Islam closed the doors of discussion on Muhammad. The Prince specifically said he wants to open them. This is huge.

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          • scott467 says:

            “The Prince specifically wants to change this.”


            Do you understand why he cannot, why it is literally not even possible?

            It’s okay if you don’t, many people don’t, but I can try to explain it.

            It is easier to use Christianity as an example, but it will apply in the same way to islam.

            Imagine a time and place where either a strong self-described ‘Christian leader’ or even a large majority of self-identifying ‘Christians’ decided they wanted to change some things in the Bible.

            Suppose they wanted to remove the parts where homosexual conduct is sin, take out ALL references to fornication of any kind being sin, and add in some approval for homosexual marriage. Also, make divorce for any cause acceptable, and throw in “The Sinner’s Prayer” as a legitimate means of being added to the Lord’s church (and therefore saved).

            Those would all be popular changes as far as ‘the world’ is concerned, and we could do lots more, but this should be enough for purposes of example.

            Who is the Author of God’s Word?

            Answer: God (All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, cf. 2 Timothy 3:16)

            Problem: who is wiser than God, who knows more than God, and who has the Authority to contradict or overrule God?

            Answer: Nobody does, nobody ever has, nobody ever will; it is not even conceptually possible.

            God is the Author of His Word; all Scripture is given by inspiration of God.

            God, in His wisdom, has declared that fornication is sin; that marriage is between a man and a woman; that homosexual conduct is sin; that the permissible cause for divorce is if a spouse commits fornication (adultery).

            Furthermore, God’s Word is clear about what men must do to be saved, and we could go verse by verse, and I will look them up for you if you like (I would normally post the Scripture verses, but I am not using my regular computer, hence I cannot copy and paste them from a previous saved reply, I would have to look each one up):

            Hear the Word of God (how can you know what God requires without hearing or reading?);
            Believe (how can anyone be saved if they do not believe?);
            Repent (stop engaging in sinful conduct);
            Confess Christ;
            Be baptized;
            Remain faithful;
            If (when) you commit sin (no man is perfect) after being added to the Lord’s church, repent and ask God for forgiveness

            I realize some of the above will be controversial; it matters not at all what I think about any of it, my opinion(s) are not relevant, but what God’s Word actually says DOES matter and IS relevant. So the problem with opposing any of the above is not that anyone disagrees with me; the problem is that it is not possible to oppose any of those steps and reconcile that opposition with the plain language of God’s Word.

            It’s not about me; it doesn’t matter what I think about any of it — but for anyone who would claim to believe in and follow God, it certainly (and inarguably) does matter what God’s Word actually says. So the argument, if there be any, is with Him — not with me.

            Also, do you see what is missing?

            The saying of “The Sinner’s Prayer”, which is taught by many as a means of being saved, is found nowhere in God’s Word. I have read God’s Word, and I have looked for it, and it’s not in there. I have no doubt that it (teaching the ‘Sinner’s Prayer’ as a means to salvation) is well intended, but it is a doctrine of men, not of God, and God has not obligated Himself to follow the doctrines of men.

            By trying to add to, or delete from God’s Word, it is an arrogance, a conceit beyond measure; it is, in effect, saying that the creature, i.e., the created (Man) is greater, wiser and more loving than the Creator (God).

            It is a rejection of God and what God has said, in favor of creating one’s own religion.

            When men do this, when men change what God’s Word says, or teach what God’s Word does not teach, it does not change Christianity at all. What it does do, is it identifies those who teach falsely, and if they do not repent, if they continue to reject God and His Word, they are become apostate.

            It is apostasy.

            There is no ‘mechanism’ for Man to add to, subtract from, or in any way alter what God has said. Not even if the entire population of the world decided it was right and good to do so.

            God is a Majority of One.

            The same principles apply to islam.

            islam is not a democracy any more than Christianity is. Even if every islamic person in the world wanted to change what the Koran says, they would only be proving themselves apostates if they actually did so.

            To change what the Koran says, to rewrite the history of Mohamad, would be tantamount to admitting and conceding that islam was always a false religion to begin with (which it is, but they can’t very well admit that without collapsing the whole house of cards).

            And the problem with that is this… if, by changing what the Koran says, they concede and admit that islam is a false religion, then what is the point of following an acknowledged false religion in the first place?

            If the Koran is not true, if Mohamad was wrong about anything, much less lots of things, if it can all just be changed to say whatever adherents want it to say on any given day, then it was never true to begin with; and if it was never true to begin with, then why believe in or follow it now?

            Why not just follow Oprah, or some guy who lives in a van down by the river, instead?

            The point I am trying to convey is that it all falls apart, the logical coherence disintegrates, it becomes a mockery, if they concede that Mohamad or the Koran were wrong.

            And there can be no cause or justification for changing islam, unless it was wrong to begin with. And if it was wrong to begin with (it was), then it was false from the start (which it was).

            But IF they concede that islam is (and therefore has always been) false, then either islam ceases to exist, or those who love the lie of islam kill those who are trying to change it.

            Do you understand?

            To look at it from another angle or perspective, if it was possible to change islam (or Christianity, for that matter), it most certainly would have happened before now.

            And if either one had changed, it would effectively cease to exist — because changing it is a de facto concession that it was never of God in the first place — and we would not be having this discussion.

            That it is of God is the reason why it persists. If it can be changed, then by definition it is not really of God after all, and it short order, it would persist no more.

            Nothing would please ‘the world’ more than that, specifically with regard to Christianity. CNN (and all the others) would joyously proclaim “God is dead!” on the crawl at the bottom of the screen in perpetuity. For the most part, nobody bothers attacking other religions, the large majority of the world’s hostility is reserved for Christianity alone.

            I suspect (as a logical construct) the reason for that is because, at one level or another, the people of ‘the world’ know that God is real and Christ is true. It is also declared in God’s Word (Jeremiah 31:31-34, Hebrews 8:10-13, Hebrews 10:16-25).

            Many people don’t want to believe God is real, because if they do, it will require changes to their lives and the way they live. So they attack it. They deny it. They rail against it. They even ignore it.

            But the one thing no man can do is change it.

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            • Louis Foxwell says:

              You have expended a lot of words trying to explain the imponderable. You would have been better comparing the Christian Reformation which IS compatible with a desired Islamic Reformation. Islam can be reformed. It has been by millions of Muslims in their daily lives. What is required is an Islamic rejection of violent Islam. This may require substantial isolation of fundamentalist sects or their outright eradication. There is increasing impetus in the Muslim community to bring about this very control. Keep in mind Islam is no more a religion than it is a political philosophy. As such it is manageable in a political context.

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              • scott467 says:

                “You have expended a lot of words trying to explain the imponderable.”



                Moderately complex maybe, requiring more depth than could be expressed in a tweet, but if it is imponderable, how can you and I even discuss it?


                “You would have been better comparing the Christian Reformation which IS compatible with a desired Islamic Reformation.”


                I did use the “Reformation” in a related example. You call it “the Christian Reformation”.

                Who is the Author of Christianity?

                Answer: God

                Where is Christianity defined, and by Whom?

                Answer: Christianity is defined in Scripture (the Bible), and the Author of Scripture is God.

                So what, specifically, does anyone (open question to anyone) claim was ‘reformed’ or ‘changed’ in Christianity, in God’s Word (the Bible), as a result of the “Reformation”?

                Answer: Nothing. Not a single word of the Bible was changed. The 66 books and letters of the Old and New Testament say exactly the same thing today as they did BEFORE the “Reformation”, do they not?

                So there was no ‘reform’, no change to Scripture, wherein God’s plan for salvation (Christianity) is defined and revealed.

                No change, no ‘reform’. It is the same as it ever was, which no man can deny.

                It was not God’s Word that was wrong, and nobody even credibly claimed God’s Word was wrong. God was not the problem, the problem was Man, and what Man was doing, without Authority, in God’s name.

                So what then, if anything, was changed, what was reformed as a result of the “Reformation”?

                If it wasn’t God’s Word or God’s definition of Christianity contained within His Word, then what else could have been ‘Reformed’, what else is left, besides the people claiming to follow God’s Word, but in some (or many) significant ways, were NOT following God’s Word?

                I won’t go into specifics, but suffice it to say that considerable abuses and corruption was taking place, and a significant number of people who were being affected by those abuses rejected that abuse and would no longer stand for it. The abuse increased as the power structure struggled to maintain power and control, as consolidated power structures are wont to do.

                This led to a split (the second major split for the power structure in question, their first split was with the Greek Orthodox Church roughly 500 years earlier, which they refer to as a ‘schism’). The result was various groups (loosely referred to as ‘Protestants’) returning to a closer adherence to what God’s Word actually says. Persecution continued naturally, and many of those various groups eventually came to America to escape that persecution, to practice their faith and belief in God and Christ according to His Word as it is written.

                It should be noted that there is no such thing as “Protestantism” in God’s Word, which is often overlooked. It shouldn’t be, it is important to understand that “Protestantism” is a word or term created by men, not God.

                Likewise, and this is equally important, there is no such thing as the religion of Roman Catholicism mentioned anywhere in God’s Word, which no one can deny. Jesus didn’t teach the religion of Roman Catholicism, and the Apostles never practiced Roman Catholicism, because the religion of Roman Catholicism did not exist in the 1st century.

                By contrast, the Lord’s church certainly did exist, which no one can deny; the Lord’s church was established in the 1st century, on the day of Pentecost, in Jerusalem, as recorded in Acts chapter 2.

                The Lord established His church, and the Scriptures (the revealed Word of God) defines His church and Christianity, the practices, doctrines and beliefs taught by Christ.

                It cannot be denied that those practices, doctrines and beliefs taught by Christ are the same today as the day they were written down in Scripture, by inspiration of God. The “Reformation” changed not a single Word of Scripture.

                In your post above, you want to compare the ‘Christian Reformation’ to a desired ‘islamic Reformation’.

                This is a key point.

                The cause for the (as you call it) “Christian Reformation” was because men were NOT following God’s Word. The cause was corruption and abuse in contradiction to Scripture. The intention of the ‘Reformation’ was to ‘reform’, to correct the corruption and abuses, to turn away from the everchanging doctrines of men return to the unchanging truth of the Scriptures.

                But with islam, the OPPOSITE is the case. The corruption and abuse, the violence and oppression is the CORE of the islamic Scripture. It is the ‘faithful’ people who are engaging in violence.

                In order to “Reform” islam to make it compatible with mankind (i.e., to cause islam to stop murdering everyone who won’t submit to islam), the LAST thing you want to do is encourage a ‘return’ to the islamic texts, because it is the texts which are wrong.

                With islam, it is the Authoritative texts, the islamic ‘Scriptures’ which teach the violence, oppression, misogyny, rape, murder and genocide.

                The exact opposite of the case with the so-called “Christian Reformation”, where the texts (the Scriptures) were RIGHT and it was the Men (who were not following the Scriptures) were wrong.

                With the (as you call it) ‘Christian Reformation’, it was not the Authoritative text, i.e., the Scriptures which needed ‘reform’ — it was the practices and doctrines of the people who claimed to follow Christ but who were not following God’s Word which needed to change.

                Christ did not teach violence or oppression or compulsion, but great violence and oppression and compulsion was being done in His name by people who claimed to be following Him.

                Not a single Word of Scripture was changed as a result of the so-called ‘Reformation’. Not one word. Because it was not the Scriptures that were wrong, it was the failings of Man that were wrong.

                Christ was not ‘reformed’ (perish the thought!), and neither was “Christianity”. If anything was truly ‘reformed’ (and one could certainly argue that nothing was actually ‘reformed’ at all, just flak and countermeasures were deployed…), it was men.

                By contrast, the Authoritative texts of islam are the source of the problem. Mohamad was an unrepentant mass-murderer, and the beliefs system he created teaches violence and oppression and compulsion (forced submission to islam).

                The people committing the violence and oppression are those who are actually following the Authoritative islamic texts.

                In order to reform islam, you have to change what the Authoritative texts SAY, or you are just wasting your time.

                Problem: if the islamic texts are believed by Muslims to come from Allah, what man can change them?

                What is the argument?

                Who will argue that any man, or any consortium of men, is wiser and knows better than Allah?

                What is the argument?

                There has to be one.

                What is it?


              • scott467 says:

                “Islam can be reformed. It has been by millions of Muslims in their daily lives. What is required is an Islamic rejection of violent Islam. ”


                Do you not see that those who reject the inherent violence of islam as the apostates? That those who engage in violence as taught by islam are the faithful?

                It is like saying that Christians should overthrow God and His Word and embrace the teaching of the Episcopalians who are now ordaining openly homosexual (and female) bishops. It is they who are the apostates, it is they who are in grievous error, it is they who are acting in open defiance and rebellion toward God and His Word. Not according to me, it doesn’t matter at all what I think about it (except to me, of course), but according to what God’s Word actually says. And if they (the Episcopalians) claim to believe in and follow God, they cannot do that with a straight face and openly defy Him at the same time.

                Likewise, those who would reject the violence inherent to islam are acting in defiance and rebellion toward Allah and his word.

                What you (and others in the West) are calling for is the “rise of the apostates”, to make open rebellion and defiance of Allah normative, to replace faith and belief with apostasy. It is nothing less than calling for the destruction of the belief system.

                If you can’t grasp this, how will you understand?

                Do you believe in God?

                I ask only because if one is an atheist, it will be significantly more difficult to understand what I am trying to explain. One who believes in nothing can have great difficulty understanding the subject matter, because he or she has no frame of reference.

                What you are missing is this: to reject the violence of islam is to reject islam. Violence is inherent to islam; you could no more separate violence from islam than you could separate love from Christianity.

                Can you understand?

                To reject the violence inherent to islam is to reject Allah and Mohamad.

                It is apostasy.

                It is creating a new religion.

                You can’t just change the Authoritative texts like you change or rotate the tires on your car.

                You’re talking about bodywork, engine work, interior work, suspension work. By the time you’re done, you have a different car.

                God makes the affirmative claim of being perfect. If any revelation of God is shown to be imperfect by demonstrably imperfect men, then God is not perfect. And if God is not perfect, then why would anyone follow Him at all, if He is as prone to error as man?

                If God (or Allah, to the Muslim) is wrong, the entire belief system collapses.

                The Koran is claimed to have come from Allah.

                The Koran and associated islamic texts teach violence, from Allah.

                If you or any other man ‘corrects’ Allah, makes changes to what Allah has said, there are only two possibilities:

                1) the person making the changes is greater than Allah


                2) Allah was not really God after all

                In either case, the logical coherence disintegrates, and the entire belief system collapses.

                Do you understand?

                IF collapsing the entire belief system is the objective, then I’m all for it. It is a false religion which has caused untold death and suffering for 1,400 years.

                But if CHANGING the Authoritative texts of islam, in order to change the behavior of the followers, is the objective, by what Authority can or will anyone do so?

                What is the argument, how does it go?

                Among the Muslims, who is greater, wiser or has more Authority than Allah and his messenger Mohamad?

                Is it not analogous to asking a Christian, who is greater, wiser or has more Authority than God and His Son, Jesus Christ?

                Do you see the problem?


              • scott467 says:

                “What is required is an Islamic rejection of violent Islam. This may require substantial isolation of fundamentalist sects or their outright eradication.”


                People talk about fundamentalists like it’s a bad thing, but only when it comes to religion, it seems.

                What is a ‘fundamentalist’?

                Is it not someone who has knowledge and understanding of the foundational aspects of a subject?

                If you are having surgery, you want a doctor grounded in the fundamentals of the procedure you are about to undergo, do you not?

                If you are getting on a plane, you want a pilot who is thoroughly knowledgeable and experienced in the fundamentals of flight in general and that particular plane specifically, don’t you?

                If you are having your taxes done by an accountant or CPA, don’t you want someone who is grounded in the fundamentals of tax law in general, and specifically with regard to someone in your specific circumstances (e.g., business, corporate, personal, etc.)?

                Fundamentalism is not the problem. Adherence to the fundamentals is not the problem, unless the underlying subject matter is corrupt (evil).

                The problem with islam is the underlying texts, and what they teach.

                Suppose you isolate or even eradicate the ‘fundamentalist’ sects. So long as the texts which teach the inherent violence of islam survive, do you think people will not continue to be inspired to follow and practice the ‘true’ form of islam? Particularly when ‘true islam’ satisfies so many carnal desires of man? Do you think corrupt men will not continue to use Authoritative islam to control others, as they have done for the last 1,400 years?

                On the opposite end of the spectrum, wouldn’t the same thing happen if you eradicated all faithful Christians? So long as the Scriptures survived, would people who read them, and who were of a mind to follow and obey God, not do so?

                Do the Scriptures not record that very thing happening in the Old Testament, on more than one occasion (2 Kings 22, 2 Chronicles 34, et al)?

                When Elijah thought he was the last faithful man alive, the last ‘fundamentalist’, did God not reveal to Elijah that there were yet 7,000 faithful men who had not bowed the knee to Baal? (cf. 1 Kings 19:18)

                Paul, by inspiration of God, discusses the same passage in the New Testament:

                “God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, [3] Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. [4] But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. [5] Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.” (Romans 11:2-5, KJV)

                So long as the Authoritative texts of islam survive, the inherent violence of islam will also survive.


                “There is increasing impetus in the Muslim community to bring about this very control.”


                Taqiyya is the islamic term for lying directly to the infidels’ face.

                Kitman is the islamic term for lying by omission.

                islam is a belief system so corrupt that it institutionalizes and teaches lying, even to the discernment of different types of lying, and approves them.

                Untold millions have been deceived by the lies of islam, and by the lies told by those who adhere to islam. They would tell you about it, but they were conquered and as much as possible, the history of those people was eradicated.

                I am not saying there are no good people who are caught up in islam. islam, as a function of its evil, is not just forced on outsiders, but it is forced on the children of those who have submitted to islam. Hundreds of millions of Muslims were born into islamic families, and have never known any other way of life. There must be many in any population that size who would like to live in peace and eschew violence, but by design of islam, their entire culture (families, politics, mores, values, national and personal identity, religion, etc.) is entwined in islam.

                What I am saying is that it is not possible to be a ‘good’ person AND be a faithful Muslim, because in order to be a faithful Muslim, one must accept, condone and practice the violent teachings of islam.


                “Keep in mind Islam is no more a religion than it is a political philosophy. As such it is manageable in a political context.”


                I understand that islam is more than just religion, that it is also an ideology and political philosophy (and more), all designed to function toward the goals and objectives of Allah, which is inherently violent and subversive toward any and every culture islam comes into contact with.

                It is the religious aspect of islam (to the extent it can even be separated from the other aspects of islam) which teaches violence, and it is that violence which was taught by Allah and practiced by Mohamad.

                Jesus Christ is the best and highest example of Christianity. Jesus committed no sin and taught no sin.

                Mohamad is the best and highest example of islam.

                Mohamad was a rapist and a mass-murderer.

                How is it possible to reject the violent teaching of Allah and the violent example of Mohamad, and having anything left of islam?

                Who has the Authority to do it?

                What is the argument?


            • H. Jorgan says:

              scott467 says: November 18, 2017 at 4:09 am
              (“The Prince specifically wants to change this.”)

              Who is the Author of God’s Word?
              Answer: God (All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, cf. 2 Timothy 3:16)
              Problem: who is wiser than God, who knows more than God, and who has the Authority to contradict or overrule God?
              Answer: Nobody does, nobody ever has, nobody ever will; it is not even conceptually possible. God is the Author of His Word; all Scripture is given by inspiration of God.

              Inspiration given to what except an earthling image of GOD without facility for understanding. God needs no ‘words’ as language is itself an earthling invention. It is but absolute religious drivel made only by self appointed “religious leaders” to scam the peons\serfs into obedience!


              • scott467 says:

                “Inspiration given to what except an earthling image of GOD without facility for understanding.”


                Are you suggesting that God, Who created the universe and everything in it, including Man, and Who sustains it all to this very day, is not powerful enough or capable of communicating with His own creation?

                Did Jesus not constantly reference the Scriptures in His teaching, and the Apostles also, even asking ‘what saith the Scripture’ specifically? Why would they ask the question, if men were not able to understand God’s Word?


                “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” (2 Timothy 3:16, KJV, there are many other verses on this same subject).

                The underlying original Koine Greek word for ‘given by inspiration’ is ‘theopneustos’, translated as “God-breathed”.

                God did not impart thoughts to men, which men then wrote down in their own words:

                “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:21)

                “For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13, boldface emphasis mine)


                “God needs no ‘words’ as language is itself an earthling invention.”


                God may not need ‘words’, but His creation, Mankind, obviously does need words. Why should God not communicate with His creation in a way that His creation understands?

                Certainly God is more than capable, so why shouldn’t He?

                The Scriptures are the revelation of God to mankind. What sort of ‘revelation’ would it be, if it was not comprehensible by those for whom it was intended?


                “It is but absolute religious drivel made only by self appointed “religious leaders” to scam the peons\serfs into obedience!”


                I would agree with you, regarding every religious belief system except one.

                With so many belief systems in the world, and so many of them obviously false, it is easy to mistakenly conclude that ALL are false and dismiss them all.

                That would be a mistake. An easy one to make, but a mistake just the same.

                If God’s Word is true, then every other religious belief system is false, by definition. By summarily dismissing them all, you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

                You could examine every religious belief system and save Christianity for last, but since God’s Word does make the positive affirmation that it is true, why not start there and, with an open mind, examine it?


                There are many in the world who started as harsh skeptics, and who, after testing and critically examining the Scriptures, came, even reluctantly sometimes, to a knowledge and understanding of the truth.

                I hope you will try it.

                And succeed 🙂


                • H. Jorgan says:

                  “You could examine every religious belief system and save Christianity for last, but since God’s Word does make the positive affirmation that it is true, why not start there and, with an open mind, examine it? Carefully?”
                  I have done so, likely much more than you! Please state even one passage that has no attempt at creating a class subservient to the self appointed religious overlords claiming to have and correctly interpret the word of God for self enrichment. Begone Satan!


      • scott467 says:

        “Until there is a ‘reformation’ of Islam, it will take powerful leaders at the top, to reign in the extremists and advocates of jihad.”


        And if we are honest, was there ever a “Reformation” in the West?

        If so, WHAT was ‘reformed’?

        Certainly not the inspired Word of God, it says exactly what it has said since it was written.

        Why was there a so-called “Reformation” in the West?

        The inspired Word of God did not change, not one jot or tittle. God’s Word says the exact same thing after the so-called “Reformation” as it said before the so-called “Reformation”.

        Christianity — as defined by God’s Word — did not change, at all.

        And why should it?

        God, being perfect, and Who knows the end from the beginning, developed His perfect plan of salvation, according to His purposes.

        What man can change it?

        Any man who thinks he can might read the passage in Job, where God asks Job where he was when the foundations of the world were laid.

        So there was never any ‘reform’ of Christianity, as it is defined by God in His Word.

        Was the dispute that led to what is commonly called the ‘Reformation’ not over corruption and abuse by those who claimed to be Christians?

        In all truth and sincerity, has any large institution ever actually ‘reformed’ itself in the history of mankind?

        But the point is, there will never be any ‘reform’ of islam, because there can never be a ‘reform’ of islam; because there can never be anyone with the Authority to contradict Mohamad or change what is written in the Koran.

        Just as there never was, and never will be any ‘reform’ of Christianity, because there can never be anyone with the Authority to contradict God or change what is written in His Word.

        Nobody likes to talk about these things though.

        The world HATES truth.

        Most people are more comfortable living in various states of denial, mythology, traditions and doctrines of men, etc.

        I wish it wasn’t like that.

        I wish the world wasn’t like that.

        But ‘wishing’ don’t make it so.

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        • georgiafl says:

          The reformation was a period of confronting powerful corrupt church leaders, who responded by making many martyrs.

          The reformers were primarily trying to make Scripture available to everyone in their own language and asking for the end of corruption among the clerics and church hierarchy who were charging people for forgiveness of sin, etc.

          Luther’s 95 Theses pretty much covers it:

          There is still lack of transparency (and purity) amongst the clergy in the Roman church and I could cite numerous instances of sexual sins, crimes and scandals at all levels. Heck, they even had to remove a Cardinal before the last papal election.

          Cover-up of child predation was wide-spread. Bishops would transfer from one district to another and even out of the country where they preyed upon even more children.

          There have also been many discoveries of clerical financial misuse of funds. Our state had an archbishop and bishop removed for both types of corruption.

          So yes, you could say the church did not reform or repent of corruption entirely.

          However, in recent years parishioner groups have been formed to create transparency and push further safety measures to remove deviant unfit priests, to protect children, and to create financial accountability. In my state, these groups forced the removal of the Archbishop and Bishop/s who were involved in sexual misdeeds.

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  13. WeThePeople2016 says:

    “The move is seen as the final step in 32-year-old Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s power grab,”

    Notice the snarky “power grab” comment there. The young Prince loves our President and the feeling is mutual. That is good enough for me.

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  14. LBB says:

    I pray all the moves our President has made outside our borders, will help in taking down the swamp within our borders.

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  15. M. Mueller says:

    I wish this young king good luck in his endeavors.

    I’ve heard that he wants 70% of the assets of the corrupt that he rounded up. If that is true, letting them go free after paying seems very dangerous to him. Expected executions.

    It has also been said that many clerics were also rounded up. These were Wahhabi clerics teaching radical Islam. This will put many of his people against him.

    I suppose he will have to take “baby steps” to take his country into the 21st century and, hopefully, to religious freedom. Not sure if religious freedom is his intention though.

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  16. NJF says:

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    • Sentient says:

      Wictor thinks the armies of the Gulf Cooperation Council are going to invade Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah- and he thinks that would be good. He parrots Israel’s BS in that regard. 40% of Lebanon is Christian. 0% of Arabia is Christian. Why should we favor the Sunnis? Watch MBS and the American neocons pull us into another quagmire. I’m sure it’ll be a cakewalk, though.

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      • annieoakley says:

        Better Sunnis than Wahabbis. The real break here is King Salman being named by the last King instead of the bin Talal and bin Sultan branch of tribes. They are all “Princes”.

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        • 7delta says:

          Wahabbis are Sunni. Of the two sects, Shia and Sunni, Sunnis are around 80% or so of all Muslims. Between the two sects, there are approximately 72 sub-sects. To my knowledge, there is only one very small sub-sect that doesn’t believe in violence to spread Islam. With the exception of a few differences in beliefs that are insignificant in the grand scheme of Islamic Doctrine, they all believe the same thing. Don’t be fooled by the inter-Islamic fighting. They use the same 3 holy books and will unite against a common enemy.

          This change in Saudi Arabia isn’t about moderate or peaceful Islam v. radical Islam. There is no moderate or radical Islam. There is only Islam. There are no moderate or radical Muslims. They are either devout or apostates. That doesn’t mean all Muslims want to kill us, but neither does that necessarily mean they don’t support Shariah law and jihad. There are a small number of Muslims across both sects that don’t want a Shariah government and want Islam to relegate the violence and conquest to the period Mohammed lived. They believe it’s no longer relevant. However, there is no doctrine to support those beliefs.

          IMO, this is about Saudi survival. Sundance has explained their economic issues in the past. It’s perfectly legit in Islam to get along with the infidels when the non-Muslims can and will kick your butt and your camel’s too…until Islam regains enough strength or advantage to fight again.

          In the current case, it may be the beginning of a period where some good changes may permanently alter Islam, but it will take a very long time to actually change the beliefs of over a billion people. A very long time. I encourage it, but proceed cautiously and with full awareness that this may only be a temporary reprieve, which may last decades, like after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, or for only a few years. Time will tell. Still, Trump has accomplished something no leader in recent history has. 

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      • Sandra-VA says:

        Hezbollah is an Iranian Proxy. You should be aware that Iran funded Osama Bin Laden… and is responsible for much of the terror in the ME.

        Hezbollah and Lebanon are two different entities… one is a terrorist group and the other is the Country that has been taken over by the terrorist group.

        In addition, the US will not be drawn in… the GCC is taking care of business for themselves. Peace is not far away… finally.

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        • Sentient says:

          “Iran funded osama bin laden and is responsible for much of the terror in the ME”
          – Israeli bullshit. Isis was murdering Christians by the thousands and Israel cared not a whit. Iran helped defeat Isis. Sunnis are responsible for 99% of terror attacks in the West.


          • Sandra-VA says:

            Osama bin Laden wrote in his diary about Iran funding his exploits.

            Yes, Muslim Brotherhood is the militant extremist org created to conquer the world and they are Sunni Wahhabis emanating from the Muslim World League – a group established by the Kingdom. KSA is now destroying that branch of their kingdom.

            KSA has told Abbas to accept peace or resign.

            Iran is not just killing ISIS, they are also killing Kurds, Christians and Americans.

            Instead of your hatred for Israel clouding your perception, start paying attention to what is actually going on via the GCC. It has been well documented on this very site.

            Change is rapidly occuring in the ME.

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  17. Ditch Mitch says:

    Things are moving amazingly fast folks! Besides encouraging and influencing many changes in America and the world, PDJT is the only American leader who would be able to keep up.

    A change in leadership in Saudi Arabia has been expected for a while as King Salman has aged. If candidate Trump was not elected the Saudi Arabian change in leadership would have not happened this way. Timing is everything!

    After PDJT’s successful visit to the Middle East, King Salman saw the opportunity to change the direction of Saudi Arabia and took it by making his son Crown Prince. Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman then wasted no time taking charge and removing over 1000 corrupt princes and other officials consolidating power. Followed by freezing assets estimated at nearly $900 billion dollars. And we know where all those $$$ go.

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    • Phil aka Felipe says:

      [Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman then wasted no time taking charge and removing over 1000 corrupt princes and other officials consolidating power. Followed by freezing assets estimated at nearly $900 billion dollars. And we know where all those $$$ go.]

      Would love to see him clawback all the Clinton money!

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    • Re: things moving fast

      No Republican Congress that needs to be consulted over there.

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  18. Katherine McCoun says:

    This is a foundational event to draining our own swamp. Loosing their funding and their power and Then bring charges!

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    • Sentient says:

      RIght. Our Deep State has been married to the Sunnis for decades. Now the Sunnis – having failed thus far in their attempt to depose Assad – are going to try going through Lebanon to take out Assad. All so they can get their pipelines to Europe to hobble Russia – the perpetual enemy of the neocons – going back to the Pale of Settlement. They hate Russia for its Christianity. But Americans are easily duped because a few women in Arabia were handed the car keys.

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      • Ditch Mitch says:

        Sentiment, good observations! In conjunction with the Middle East actions by Saudi Arabia and other ME countries (with PDJT’s inputs and support) there is much going on in Eastern Europe to keep the Russians in check. Without the Russians, there is no major enemy for the US (neocons, globalists) to engage.

        PDJT was invited to Poland to attended the Three Seas Initiative. Three Seas Initiative is a group of 12 Eastern European countries.

        At the meeting Croatia announced that they just opened a major LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas) port/terminal on Krk Island. This will supply Southern Eastern Europe with LNG. Poland announced the first shipment of LNG from the US to Gdansk. Plan is for US to supply Eastern Europe killing Russia’s blackmail capability. This also removes the globalist’s motives for the Middle East pipelines through Syria to Turkiye.

        All part of the greater Trump Doctrine.

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    • sturmudgeon says:

      losing their funding… unless you were thinking along the lines of “tearing loose” their funding.


  19. lida rose says:

    Why make this comment here? In addition to the Presidential Open thread, there are already TWO additional threads today specifically about Mr. Sessions.

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  20. USA loves Melania says:

    A haiku:

    Bad news for Barry
    Man-child’s legacy erased
    President Trump laughs

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  21. fleporeblog says:

    What is happening in Saudi Arabia and other parts of North Africa is truly divine! The fact that all of this has occurred in the first ten months of our President’s presidency is completely shocking. I had said a few months back that the leaders of SA, Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Israel etc. saw the election of our Lion as their one and only opportunity to correct their region. For them, everyday is precious.

    Israel will absolutely back SA if they decide to confront Hezbollah and Iran. The money that the Saudi ‘s can commit to Israel, Egypt. and Jordan is astronomical. The four of them with the support of the other GCC countries is a force to be reckon with.

    Thomas Wictor has shared multiple tweets about the firepower that these countries have. Weapons never seen before. The Rod From God according to him was created by the Israelis with the funding from SA. They are literally killing top Generals of the Syrian, Hezbollah, ISIS armies etc. With these advanced weapons.

    Eliminate Iran and peace in the ME is a real possibility. There will be a day in the future where going to the ME is far more safer than Western Europe!

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  22. StanH says:

    Rock-n-Roll Mr. Trump! This would never happen with a Bush, Clinton, or an Obama, wonderful stuff indeed.


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  23. Tossed Salad says:

    I believe the whole world is changing in a new and great way….I thank President Trump

    Liked by 14 people

  24. free2313 says:

    Such wonderful news!
    There is something powerful when an old King hands over the sovereign power to his son Crown Prince Salman.
    It feels a deliberate and peaceful transference of power… Unlike the (what ifs) if the king suddenly dies, even though it may have already be stipulated.
    It demonstrates a peaceful continuity of their progressive movement, to bring their people into the enlightened era of the 21 century. And hopefully they will influence many of the other ME countries that already desire and are working also, towards the same sort of advancement for their people…

    Peace in the Middle East. Hallelujah!

    Muslims going back home to their beloved land and families. Hallelujah!

    And the Muslim religion actually demonstrating the constant renown of their religion being one of Peace… Hallelujah!

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    • rf121 says:

      I don’t think they just roll over and go down without a fight. I am sure there will be some muslim on muslim violence first before things can settle down. Break out the popcorn.

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    • Sentient says:

      Put down the bong.

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    • thluckyone says:

      Thanks for this, XYZLatin. My sense is – that without the goal of world conquest – Islam will lose it’s reason for existing. And IF (big if), the new Saudi King and Egypt’s President Al Sisi can start the ball rolling on “rewording” (so to speak) Mohammad’s requirement from Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57) [regarding apostasy], we might actually live to see Islam die of it’s own, self-imposed venom.

      Couldn’t happen to a more deserving idolatry.

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      • auntiefran413 says:

        I pray that you are right!!!

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      • 7delta says:

        According to Dr. Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a leading cleric in the Muslim world and spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, “If the [death] penalty for apostasy was ignored, there would not be an Islam today; Islam would have ended on the death of the prophet.”

        I pray for Muslims to be set free too. You’re right that the penalty for apostasy is the linchpin that holds Islam together, but it’s important to remember that asking Islam to make doctrinal changes to eliminate the worst of its obligations would require eliminating Mohammed and Allah, since that’s where these obligations originate. It would be like asking Christians to eliminate God and Christ.

        I think it will take something bigger than mortal men to break the oppressive chains that bind them, quickly, individually and in such large numbers, Shariah would be powerless against the tsunami of change. I pray for that too.

        May the Great Awakening burst forth over this country and Europe now. May evil’s army be defeated by the love and salvation of Christ and that those who migrated to deceive, kill, conquer and force Shariah will reverse in the same numbers they arrived and more to take the Gospel back to their own people who have never heard it. May those countries be overwhelmed and soon overjoyed by the Truth that sets them free.

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        • thluckyone says:

          WOW, 7delta! AMEN! AMEN, AMEN!!

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          • 7delta says:

            With today’s technology, many of us probably think the Gospel has likely been taken to every corner of the world by now. I did. The more I learned about Islam, from its own sources, the clearer it became to me that the vast majority of Islam has never heard it. 

            Shariah prohibits other faiths from being seen or heard. The penalties and ramifications for exhibiting any outward signs or speaking of another faith and for a Muslim to hear it and convert are dire. Then, there are the blasphemy laws, also with severe penalties, that prohibit speaking anything that may be seen as negative about Islam, Allah or Mohammed, even if it’s 100% true. “Islamophobia” claims are the soft enforcement of Shariah blasphemy laws.

            Islamic apologists tell us Islam believes in Jesus. What they don’t say is that Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet, but teaches He was not the same stature as Mohammed, that it’s an abomination to consider a man the Son of God…Allah has no “children”…and that Jesus didn’t die on the cross. Islam misunderstands the Trinity as polytheism and believe it consists of God, Jesus and Mary. Islam doesn’t recognize free will, nor does it have a Golden Rule. Islam believes the spilling of man’s blood (martyrdom) is the only certain way to ensure paradise and that violent conquest, to force the world into submitting to Shariah law, is commanded by Allah.

            Considering the distortions taught and its enforcement by instilled fear, for the Gospel to be heard in Islamic countries and for people to have the opportunity to throw off the chains of hate, fear, oppression and violence, it will take a Divine Love and Plan so great, not even the most fearful and earthly powerful can stop it.

            I don’t know God’s plans, but I know there’s power in prayer. Please help in this prayer quest. There’s great strength in our combined prayers. Pray and speak boldly about God so loving the world…because there is no job too big for God. He’ll handle it from there. Thanks.

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    • 7delta says:

      Islam means “submission”, it does not mean “peace”.

      True. It’s important for people in the West and other non-Muslims to define words and to interpret Islamic concepts according to Shariah, not Webster’s. “Peace”, as defined by Shariah, is possible only when the entire world is subject to Shariah law. So, Islam is a religion of peace, in that sense, but according to how we define peace, not so much.

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  25. Gina Zmick says:

    Ok I’ve left myself open to conspiracy theories, I know,. Many will think I’m Crazy, and I’m ok with that. Earlier I mentioned the take down will be pedophiilia. My belief is it’s a worldwide problem. There is a sick society, beyond most of our comprehension that exists. Babies, death, sacrifice, sick stuff, as well as body parts. Please don’t judge me, it’s an accumulation of sites I’ve seen. Be prepared to be disgusted if our potus chooses to share. Who will be able to handle the debauchery when it comes to light

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    • rf121 says:

      It has been around since the begining of time. Internet just makes it more accessible. Don’t expect it to change now as too many high in power are involved. Sick bastards all.

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      • thluckyone says:

        Indeed. rf121, even the ancient Scriptures warn against the idolatrous worship of Molech (which is the sickness behind this Child-trafficking/sacrifice/abuse masquerade). Leviticus 18:21 is yet another admonition for ALL PEOPLE (for all time) to put down the practices of savages and separate themselves from such.

        You’ve just reminded me: It is WAAAAYYYY past decision time. “Put it down or be consumed by it” (modern reference: “Little Shop of Horrors”) YIKES! Yes, it has been a disease among us since the SNAKE wormed his way into the Garden.


        • The stuff I read today puts the CIA in charge of the child sex trafficking and SA involved in it as well. According to what I read the Clintons, Podesta and MS13 is involved and Sessions has been starting things with the arrests of MS13. Sealed grand jury indictments are waiting. The MOAB is on the way. Praise GOD!

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  26. RuckusTom says:

    After the Iranian hostage crisis in 1979 and 9/11 both Iran and Saudi Arabia need to be nuked off the face of the earth. You want to see a war for oil? Let’s show them just exactly what that means.


  27. Minnie says:

    I take exception to the phrase “powe grab”, as it relates to King Salman rightfully passing title to the Prince.

    Is this not a just transfer of power?

    Prayers continue for all involved.

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  28. Kent says:

    lolol….welcome to ‘book in’…

    “EXCLUSIVE: Saudi Arabia king to step down and hand over the crown to his 32-year-old son after prince rounded up Saudi royals in corruption arrests and had them sleep on bare mattresses in a luxury hotel”………


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  29. POP says:

    Progress. It seems the US has learned that imposing “democracy” on tribal societies doesn’t work, admittedly we were very slow learners. No blue fingers coming for Saudi, no US expeditionary forces either. Excellent.

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    • Kent says:

      Bammy undermined the ‘secular’ governments with the express intent of Islamist factions assuming control…..that’s what ‘arab spring’ was all about….

      Do I preach to the choir?

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    • scott467 says:

      “It seems the US has learned that imposing “democracy” on tribal societies doesn’t work, admittedly we were very slow learners. ”


      It would be great if the U.S. had learned something… anything.

      But does anyone doubt, for even an instant, that if the NeverTrump NeoCons or the Demonrats seize control of the presidency again, that they would not immediately go right back to doing their globalist owners and paymaster’s bidding, right back to the policies that fail everyone except for the globalists, who are both enriched and empowered by the destruction of every society they touch?

      Liked by 3 people

  30. scott467 says:

    “According to The Daily Mail King Salman will retain the title of guardian of the holy mosques but otherwise hand over all ruling authority to the crown prince.”


    Ah, so it’s in the mosques where all the gold and weapons are stashed.

    Very clever, King Salman…

    Liked by 2 people

  31. scott467 says:

    “The move is seen as the final step in 32-year-old Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s power grab, which began earlier this month with the arrests of more than 40 princes and government ministers in a corruption probe.”


    How exactly is it a ‘power grab’, if it is the King who is voluntarily stepping down and his own chosen son is the King’s successor?

    No doubt, if Crooked billionaire Prince Al-waleed what’s-his-face had successfully seized power in a coup, Marxist / Globalist ‘Daily Mail’ wouldn’t be saying anything at all about a ‘power grab’, they would just be talking about an orderly transfer of power 😉

    Liked by 5 people

  32. jlwary says:

    Power grab? Really?? He was already receiving the crown… in fact, it is being HANDED to him! UGH!

    Well, snatch that crown, MbS, and thank the Good Lord for it!

    Liked by 3 people

  33. Kent says:

    The assuming King must consolidate his power…he must eliminate his immediate enemies and vet his supporters…and take out the sleepers.

    If he does not do so his rule will not survive.

    Centuries of human history have indicated thus…..

    Liked by 3 people

  34. scott467 says:

    “‘King Salman will play the role of the queen of England.”


    Then what will the Queen of England do?

    She must be furious…

    I realize the islamization of England is happening at a rapid pace, but this is a big step. Were the British People even consulted, before a bearded Saudi Arabian man becomes Queen of England?

    Liked by 4 people

    • georgiafl says:

      /sarc, right?

      Should have been explained that the King Salman will be ‘defender of the faith’ like the role of the Queen in England.’

      Liked by 1 person

      • scott467 says:

        “Should have been explained that the King Salman will be ‘defender of the faith’ like the role of the Queen in England.”


        Well that’s a thorny issue, idn’t?

        Which ‘faith’ is she defending specifically, and by what Authority?

        Is she defending Biblical Christianity, i.e., Christianity as revealed by God in His Word?

        Or is she defending some church, which may or may not be following God’s Word?

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    • thluckyone says:

      😂 😂 😂 BLESS YOU, Scott! I needed those laughs!

      Liked by 2 people

  35. way2opinionated says:

    Power grab or Promotion? MbS isn’t seizing power. It’s being given to him. The actions of the last few weeks are to secure his position, sure. But that’s because he was given the means by his father.

    Liked by 2 people

  36. scott467 says:

    “The goals of the GCC allies, led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS) are to remove the influence agents who have supported extremism, the Muslim Brotherhood, and stimulated and/or enabled crisis for personal and ideological gains.”


    So they’re going after the Clintons, the Obamas and Soros?

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  37. So I fell down the rabbit hole today. Started with this. Saudis are the key.
    Moved on to 4 chan
    and the Q questions which provide a roadmap to where we’ve been and where we are going. Mind boggling.

    Liked by 2 people

    • scott467 says:

      Those are great stories. About once a week I search for “Mega Anon 4chan” to get the latest ‘info’.

      For the most part it (and the links you posted) are very plausible, and full of things I wish would come true, lol!

      The problem, as always, is that you can never know for sure what is true and what is not.

      But it definitely makes for a good (and fun) read 🙂

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  38. POP says:

    How great it will be when the Saudi oil runs out in 300 years.
    No-one will even speak to them again when that happens.
    The place will turn into Chad overnight. The Royals (sic) will be well ensconced in Monaco and the rest of the population will be herding goats again by the rusting husks of BMWs.

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  39. n1ghtcr4wler says:

    Saudis down, now Rothschilds and Windsors


    • POP says:

      Ok on the first two.
      The Windsors have given excellent / outstanding constitutional stability to many Commonwealth countries since the early 1950’s, the major ones being Australia, Canada and NZ.
      Hard for you to believe, but, as a US expat, I know the Commonwealth countries wouldn’t swap it for the US political cesspit owned by money and politically appointed judges.

      Interestingly, QE II donates the amount of notional calculated tax on her tax free income to charities.


      • n1ghtcr4wler says:

        They are propagandists of globalisation and mass migration. The breadcrumbs they are givig to charity are a joke. Without their commonwealth lunacy there would be no 3rd world invasion into GB. they laid the groundwork to almost every conflict around the world.

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        • POP says:

          The post modernist neo marxists rule both parties by degree….for different reasons but complimentary aims. Corbyn is a silly cloth capped bruvver worker socialist and May is an EU loving deep establishment anti nationalist. She and Corbyn get on just fine at core political level.

          “they laid the groundwork to almost every conflict around the world.”
          Vodka is bad. Causes delusions


  40. reverence1 says:

    The GEAB calls it the Middle East 3.0:
    (GEAB is a European paid publication, that was famous for predicting the financial crisis as early as spring 2006)


  41. bkrg2 says:

    What a time to be alive. MBS is doing amazing things for the Middle East and rest of the world.
    The only thing more amazing is the complete media silence on this topic.


  42. Anniie says:

    OK, I just had to say this…the new King is a hunk…all the more so, for saying he has one wife and will only have one wife. so Carry on….


  43. BGPGuy says:

    I don’t always agree with you Sundance (usually on matters of internal WH politics), but I am a regular long time reader who wants to say “Thank You!” for your incredible analysis here. There is a movement afoot, a righting of the ship out of the darkness into the light, and your website is a loan candle in the dark showing all of us passengers where we are going led by our amazing new Captain Trump!

    That is you!!!


  44. joshua says:

    “What is really going on?” “What evidence other than text?”
    Well there is proof.. > Mandalay Bay “Hotel in a hotel” owned by Prince Talal,
    > SA rolls out red carpet for Trump’s visit:
    > VIDEO Trump Dance of the Sword:
    > VIDEO Prince Salman talking about reforms:

    > VIDEO Extraction from Tropicana hotel:

    > Airport activity logs, special access, multiple shooters in multiple locations, all check out there are other videos of ambulances and bodies being brought out of other locations, have to find. Even with the best intentions, from a normie perspective, everyone with eyeballs that watched the LV Sheriff talk on camera while the FBI Shark loomed over him, knows the sweating nervous Sheriff that keeps changing his story is not telling us everything.

    And now you know why.. so, as a summary…
    1) An older prince Talal is corrupt, largest investor in America, (Twitter Citicorp, etc) owns many politicians and supports radical Islam, ISIS/AL Qaeda, and has ties to 9/11. Has been in control in SA for a very long time allowed to do what he wants, playing both sides of terror.
    2) A younger prince Muhammad Salman (son of king) is a reformer, wants women to drive, wants to stop radical Islam.. partnered with Trump, while Talal ownes the Bushes/Clintons/Pelosi/McCain/Obama by funding their foundations and having dirt on them
    3) The old corrupt guard do not want their crimes found or Radical Islam stopped IN BOTH SA AND AMERICA!! They don’t want women driving or to for them to lose power in both countries. Now LV should make more sense. they tried to stop all this and kill him just like Game of Thrones! Shit went upside down, got crazy and we are left with the fall out. The attempt on his life only solidified his resolve to immediately go after these criminals. THAT’S WHY TRUMP CALLED IT A MIRACLE!!

    Shortly after mass arrests took place the prince who ordered the hit was killed in a helicopter “crash” with all his team. > Revenge is a dish served cold.
    > Massive Arrests SA happenings are critical as all the ties it has to American political corruption/CIA.


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