President Trump Discusses NAFTA: “I think we’ll end up, probably, terminating NAFTA at some point”…

At the end of the first round of NAFTA renegotiations, Sunday, I shared a confidence level of “3” on a 10 point scale; as to whether a deal was likely. [Explained Here]

On Monday Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross and U.S Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer debriefed President Trump the on the results of the first round (5 days).   USTR Lighthizer and Secretary Ross were both at the White House during the eclipse viewing.

On Tuesday, following that briefing, President Trump shares his opinion on NAFTA. WATCH:

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Remember, this statement follows the discussions with Ross and Lighthizer a day earlier.  It would appear that President Trump did not like the information they shared.  Knowing that POTUS Trump isn’t going to accept or compromise on an economic deal that doesn’t fix the issues; and knowing he’s wanted to walk away from NAFTA in favor of bilateral trade deals from the outset; I might need to lower my confidence to a “1” or lower…

Super-Mega-MAGA-Winning!

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205 Responses to President Trump Discusses NAFTA: “I think we’ll end up, probably, terminating NAFTA at some point”…

  1. SR says:

    It’s called bargaining chip for asking more or putting pressure on Mexico and Canada.

    Liked by 20 people

  2. quintrillion says:

    I was cheering at these remarks on NAFTA. I give the re-negotiations a zero and hope for bi-lateral sanity in trade. One deal with Canada. One deal with Mexico. Waaaaay better in all respects. Please God hear my prayer.

    Liked by 35 people

    • Grandma Covfefe says:

      Exactly our prayers for 20 some years. We want those NAFTA trucks off I-5 fwy here in SoCal.

      Liked by 23 people

      • Vlad the Impaler says:

        And off I-35 in Texas…

        Liked by 9 people

      • Dekester says:

        Morning. You are correct GC.

        We live 5 mins from the I 5 on the Canadian side of the border.

        Generally speaking our fruit and vegetables are considerably cheaper here than when down in Southern Cal.

        Hundreds of trucks pour over the border daily.many laden with produce from Mexico, and South California.

        Someone on your side is giving you the shaft.

        God bless PDJT.

        Liked by 10 people

        • Matt Musson says:

          Globalists want to expand NAFTA. They want Chinese products assembled in Mexico where they are loaded into uninspected trucks and driven directly to the WalMart loading dock in your home town.

          Liked by 5 people

          • Judith says:

            Mexico balked on NAFTA as soon as we stipulated they raise their wages. This is antithetical to globalist’s “one world” objectives. Their open borders scam is contingent upon the import of slave labor via human trafficking. I wonder who is expected to fill up those empty new Chinese cities?

            What can Mexico offer other countries without slave laborers? See the absurdity of Mexicans illegally crossing into the USA to harvest crops to be sold right back to Mexico!

            Would we need to build a wall if Mexico paid their own workers a living wage? Put another way, American corporations would have less Mexican workers to exploit for profit. This cannot stand!

            And, unlike prior administrations, President Trump has no intentions to exploit their ruthless drug cartels for profit. The Mexican government has nothing else to bring to the NAFTA table. Zip nada

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        • Bendix says:

          I remember one summer when people’s backyard tomato plants failed, in my area.
          What happened was, the tomato plants some people bought at the local Big Box store came from Mexico, and were infected with a disease we don’t have here.
          Hidden costs, passed along to the consumer.
          Increased truck traffic is another cost passed along to the consumer, now that I think about it.
          Produce from closer to home does not travel as far, therefore less fuel consumed, less pollution, etc.

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        • Sylvia Avery says:

          Dekester, I always buy YOUR tomatoes rather than the ones from Mexico. Of course, I prefer our own but oddly they aren’t ever available here. Makes me wonder what happens to them all? Naturally, I like the ones from my back yard the bestest, but that is a limited opportunity.

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    • Clarissa says:

      Preserves our national sovereignty, for one.

      NAFTA has been a disaster for my home state of Michigan, and everyone here knows it.

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  3. We are indeed in good hands.

    Not tired of winning!

    Liked by 22 people

  4. MaryLS says:

    Agree — I am not sure what the advantage of a 3-way deal is, when Mexico`s economy is so vastly different from that of Canada and the US — and when Canada is throwing screwy stuff on the table, like `climate change`. It signals that they are not serious about economic negotiations.

    Liked by 32 people

    • Bill in Lexington,NC says:

      They will be. Oh, they will be.

      Liked by 11 people

    • It was conceived as a way to turn The North American continent into one country just like the E.U., America was suppose to surrender its sovereignty. Remember? We were going to have one currency, etc. Up until the Trump era awareness, climate change was a done deal.

      Liked by 20 people

      • flawesttexas says:

        John McCain, in his McCain-Kennedy Illegal Alien Amnesty bill in 2007…was to implement the North American Union via the Amnesty bill. George W Bush would have signed it if it had passed

        We have the antithesis of McCain in President Trump. McCain’s Treason doesn’t Trump America

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      • Crazy to think that Ross Perot was right all along about the “Giant sucking sound” of jobs and wealth going south across the border. When he ran against (and basically give the Presidency to) Clinton, he was portrayed as a total kook by all the MSM.

        Most of us Americans did not have a real grasp of the ramifications of these multilateral treaties, or that the only beneficiaries were the OTHER parties in the treaties. Like the old Jerry Reed song “She got the gold mine, and I got the shaft”

        Go Trump Go!!!!!

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      • trapper says:

        Remember the CFR Report “Building a North American Community”? The one Heidi Cruz signed off on? It didn’t start with this report, which was issued in 2005, but the globalist intentions for America were certainly brought out in the open by it. America was to disappear. Here it is as a savable pdf:

        https://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf

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        • TheLastDemocrat says:

          Worth a review.
          They say:
          “NAFTA allowed duty-free access within the region, but because of different rates charged by each country on imports from other countries, it required cumbersome proof of North American origin in order to qualify for NAFTA access. These rules can raise transaction costs to the point that some shippers choose to pay the multilateral tariff rate instead.”

          IOW, they intended to get rid of the pesky China-auto-parts problem altogether.

          And this:
          “In addition, although the dispute-resolution mechanisms provided by NAFTA have proven a reliable means for resolving most trade disputes, they have been incapable of dealing with important and controversial problems regarding softwood lumber, sugar, and a few other products.”

          IOW: Our lumber industry dies, and Canada gets a boon.

          The report also talks about “sharing” resources: like we are entitled to some free silver from Mexico? Free uranium from Canada?

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      • Bendix says:

        Ted was all set to be first president of North America. He had it all – “Hispanic”, even though Cuba has nothing to to with Mexico, and Canadian citizenship.
        No wonder he had his poor wife working hard on the plan, for FIVE YEARS.
        He thought we wouldn’t notice.

        Liked by 6 people

      • TPW says:

        Started under Bush ………think that is why he was installed into Texas as Governor …..Brother into Florida….this has all been preplaned…

        Liked by 4 people

      • mopar2016 says:

        Good call Karma.
        It was in 2005 that Dubya was pushing his failed “North American Union”.
        Condi was working alongside Ted and Heidi to make it happen.

        When it didn’t happen Dubya made a speech stating that ” the American people are afraid of diversity”.

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      • WSB says:

        A la Mr. and Mrs. Cruz.

        Liked by 1 person

  5. A2 says:

    As a punter, Sundance, I give the odds that MexiCanada will cave on all points. In game theory, he has them where he wants them.They are just being lead by the hand to final acceptance.

    If they defect from accepting the inevitable then the US walks away to negotiate on bilats another day.

    Liked by 16 people

    • Daniel says:

      It seems reasonable. And it would be what I would do if I were truly interested in my country’s interests were I a Canadian or Mexican representative. But that isn’t entirely in what they are interested.

      The USA is the last world super-power. It’s a cold-war era term which carries on. The global agenda is to bring the world under a single governance and that can’t happen while the one great super-power exists. With the help of US government actors, the media and the educational establishment, there has been an unending and erosive attack on the US by negative cash flows, unending debt and external hate caused by the US’s meddling in other countries’ affairs and destabilizing wars. For the globalist to rule, the US’s sovereignty must be destroyed.

      They know they will fail to keep the old agreement in place. They will attempt to use that failure to stir up more hate against the USA. That would be their most valuable play and the one most in keeping with the globalist agenda.

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      • Donald says:

        Daniel–
        Your comment is suberb, incisive and accurate. It’s the nub of it all!
        I would add that The New World Order was intended to be ‘socialist in nature’ as in Orwell’s mythical ‘oligarchic collectivism.’
        The Revolutionary Communism of the Sixties had fallen to pieces, but a new form of Communism surfaced slowly, and imperceptively in the Ninties under the fraud that was Bill Clinton. This new approach displayed a corporate, oligarchic bent, as their movement had already learned to preserve (not destroy) wealth, but this time to indulge the corporate structure in a fantasy of itself as an exalted group of uniquely talented individuals who alone could save the world if only they joined forces with governments the world over. It was perfectly camouflaged in a movement called A Third Way, and formed in the shadows of Reagan’s devastating defeat of Marxism and resounding victory for Capitalism in the Eighties.
        Needless to say, the media were, and are ‘all in.’
        Yes, the ducks were finally all in a row for the socialists–but then Trump happened! Thus, the immovable object meets the irresistible force!
        We now wait and watch in wonderment.
        But fear not: Trump and Sundance will lead. Millions, and millions will follow in their path.
        The Left must be crushed! Trump now, more fully, understands that the Left is against America.
        They are filth!

        Liked by 8 people

        • Bendix says:

          Well said.

          Liked by 1 person

        • TheLastDemocrat says:

          I don’t find any benefit in making up various divisions or flavors of socialism and Communism. They all have the same essence. The “third way” is the original way: top-down government, supposedly with “government” direction guided by some mass-crowd-sourced “will-of-the-people” consensus (when pigs fly), with government and business being co-mingled – five year plans, and all.

          The globalists have merely made great advances on getting global governance mingled with industry. Google, Microsoft, agriculture, etc. They have been getting the world to be half-way there, and the main thing remaining in the way is: nations and their sovereign elections / governments.

          Liked by 2 people

          • Simple Jack says:

            One of the great ironies of our current political climate is that we have a group of people, loosely Antifa, who believe in socialist utopia, largely due to the efforts of a man they universally despise, Adolf Hitler.

            Hitler’s lasting contribution to the world wasn’t the evil of nazi nationalism, it was socialism 2.0, a demand side interpretation of Marx’s supply side economic theory. Nazi socialism worked differently than any previous interpretation. Instead of ripping the ‘means of production’ away from those who owned it, and the itinerant economic disruption that caused, the nazis realized they could achieve the same goal with government imposed price controls.

            After all, what good is it to own a bakery if you can’t set the price on a loaf of bread? You may retain nominal ownership, but you really work for the government.

            This hidden socialism was so superior in its implementation that after creation, it migrated everywhere. Including the United States, by way of an even more sneaky mechanism, the minimum wage. For those not well versed in economic theories, the minimum wage is nothing more than a (labor) supply side price control.

            To close the loop, hidden socialism as invented by Hitler and his henchmen has been so successfully implemented in the US that these idiots don’t understand that the ‘utopia’ they are screaming for, is already here.

            Liked by 1 person

          • trapper says:

            Third Way is just Marx 3.0. See the Chronicles article I cite downthread.

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          • Paco Loco says:

            Fascism is the correct term…the mariage of government and big business to control markets and the people.

            Liked by 2 people

      • TPW says:

        Yes to all that and more….I think Trump knows the Globalist would eventually go after everything he worked for….because you are a rich businessman or any wealthy person you would be stripped of your wealth in the name of equality….

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        • Deb says:

          The rich people who tow the line get to keep their property. There are plenty of billionaires lamenting the fact that we pulled out of the Paris accords. Trump could have gone along to get along. He chose to put America first!

          Liked by 1 person

  6. wheatietoo says:

    Take that, Canada and Mexico!
    Hah.

    They sent such arrogant elitists to negotiate for them, it would serve them right if we just walked away.

    They act like we need them more than they need us.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Maybe now they will climb down off their high-horses, and take whatever our Wolverines are willing to give them.
    Which is as it should be.

    If we do continue with NAFTA…I would like to see the US get compensated for all the Wear & Tear on our highways, from all the Mexican/Canadian trucks running back and forth!

    Liked by 28 people

  7. citizen817 says:

    Definitely will and should be terminated at some point. Mexico has been on the receiving end of our wealth for 25 years, thanks to Bill Clinton, Newt, and a host of big businesses. Time to end the nightmare.

    Liked by 16 people

    • unconqueredone says:

      To be a tiny bit (and only that) fair to Newt and a few others, I’ve heard a number of them say that if they fully understood the negatives of NAFTA they would never have been initial supporters. Maybe.

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      • Delilah says:

        I saw this documentary one time about a moose that was so covered with ticks that it was literally dying. It looked pretty emaciated.

        That moose, to me, has come to represent America. We’re so covered with blood-sucking ticks that they’ve nearly killed us.

        Trump has come along to remove the ticks, and the ticks are in revolt over it.

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        • I see the same type image of a caribou except the insects were misquitos. Very sad to watch on Nat geo. You make a very excellent analogy. The $ suckers are from outside our boarders and INside. Thank God for President Trump!

          Liked by 2 people

      • Bendix says:

        I wonder about Bill Clinton. Did he foresee the negatives, and not care? An awful lot of people thought it was going to be just great. Normal people.

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        • unconqueredone says:

          To a certain level it was uncharted territory, so maybe.

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        • Judith says:

          The Clintons and the Bushes are anything but normal people. They knew exactly what they were doing and they made a killing while doing it. The rest were simply bribed to go along. Why do Senators go in as normal people and leave as multi-millionaires? I think you give these swamp creatures too much credit.

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      • M. Mueller says:

        “…if they fully understood the negatives of NAFTA they would never have been initial supporters.”

        And still, our Congress was all ready to sign off on the TPP without having actually even read it – thousands of pages hidden in the basement. Which of them actually read Obama Care before they voted it in?

        If these are smart people, then they are criminals; I don’t see a third option. Stupid or criminal.

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        • Bendix says:

          Lazy? If you are a person with a normal to slightly higher than average IQ, but lazy, you might be tempted to go along with what people you know are smart are doing, so you can be lazy and still thought of as intelligent.

          When I first started to really dig into some of this stuff, what I was finding out was hard to grasp, because people who were more highly placed, in some cases more educated, and more connected than me were appearing not to see what I saw. I at first assumed I must be mistaken, It was I who was missing something.

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          • M. Mueller says:

            Yes, Bendix. Lazy, but if you are being paid to represent people, to use your best judgement in voting on the laws of the country, and don’t bother to read those laws and research the ramifications of them; then you are negating everyone who voted for you to use your discernment. Isn’t that actually criminal, to be paid for a job you are too lazy to do?

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        • Paco Loco says:

          Both!

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        • unconqueredone says:

          Third option: Both
          I fault them at least for error in judgement on NAFTA, and probably a lot more. TPP was kept in secret for a reason and we the people wouldn’t have liked it at all.

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      • WSB says:

        The difference in hiring someone who understands politics and someone who understands economics.

        Liked by 1 person

  8. bflyjesusgrl says:

    Tell Prince Sparkle Socks that the discussion of LGBTQ issues in economic trade negotiations between nations is most irregular !!

    Liked by 23 people

  9. IF I WERE THE PRESIDENT, ID SCRAP NAFTA AND START OVER WITH A FRESH AND CLEAN PLATE.

    Liked by 6 people

    • Bill in Lexington,NC says:

      If you keep NAFTA, you give the other side a political win, even if they lose their butts on page 317. Trump will be in the sink just for mentioning that the deal, as currently constituted sucks so bad as to support a chargeable offense. So there is nothing for him in it EXCEPT a financial win that Americans can look in their paychecks and find.

      If we THEN scrap NAFTA because we couldn’t get a deal done that puts the money back in the US, Trump actually wins … because his REASON for scrapping it is obvious.

      Then, with bi-lateral treaties, we can play one side against the other. Canada can’t do that and Mexico can’t do that because the best route for trade for them runs right straight through America, giving us tremendous leverage that Bush, Clinton and Obama all squandered.

      We’ll get it figured out … it’s useful to sit right on top of a trade route.

      Liked by 17 people

      • shallbe4 says:

        The police handled the demonstrators perfectly tonight. Nobody got hurt — although the Demonstrators left the outside of the Arizona Rally with fire in their eyes.

        Liked by 6 people

        • ladypenquin says:

          I guess the optics wouldn’t be favorable to the President, because the media…but by gosh, I wish someone would punch the folks in the nose – like in the old days when you could deal with the scum of society – and not wait for the policeman with his billy club. That was at least 40-50yrs ago – when a newspaper would print headlines that told the truth – police breakup violent mobs…

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      • Bill, very insightful! President Trump most likely has made the negotiations so tough that Canada and Mexico will fold, just like he wants them too.

        I think POTUS also wants to eliminate NAFTA because it is a beginning point for the North American Union subscribers. Just like the wall, President Trump wants to make certain America never transforms into CanAmerIco

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      • Bendix says:

        Barack Obama didn’t want any of our advantages to actually benefit the American middle class and below.
        Hillary actually ran a whole campaign on caring for Mexicans and Muslims, and she was surprised that she didn’t win.

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      • Paco Loco says:

        You just described that Trump and the US “have the keys to the city”. For now, It’s all a dog and pony show. NAFTA Is a dead duck. Bi-lateral agreements will be made for specific goods and services and the trading partner with the largest market has the most clout. Trump has the best business negotiators in the world with the Wolverines. More winning !

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  10. Exmil-UK says:

    The most important reason to leave the international organisation of NAFTA is that
    a future US administration could reactivate all the poison clauses at a later date.

    The EU started as a common market and it is evolving into a tyrannical monstrosity.

    Kill the snake while you have the unique opportunity, don’t try to domesticate it.

    Liked by 29 people

    • DebbieUK says:

      We are hoping our government gets the spine to just walk away from the EU trade negotiations too.
      The UK holds all the cards but still we give the impression will will barter things away for a deal.
      Mrs May could do with a lesson in Trumpism.

      Liked by 8 people

    • unconqueredone says:

      Kill the snake, then make bi-lateral trade deals that each country is loath to negotiate away in order to keep trade bi-lateral. Use this a future-proofing against multi-national trade deals.

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    • EXmil! EXACTLY! !!!

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    • Bendix says:

      I’m remembering back in the nineties, I think it was, when we were nearly forced into converting to metric. I kept hearing the reason we were going to have to do so was because the government passed a bill requiring it, and that bill was a trade bill.
      There should never be a bill passed by our government requiring such a major change in Americans’ way of life, without such a change being clearly spelled out in the bill, so people can have a chance to object if they so desire.
      None of this stealthy insertion of sneaky clauses which will later interpreted as requiring some odious thing because “it’s the law”.

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    • LafnH2O says:

      Here Here, exmil-uk.
      Imo the same can be said for the swamp dwellers!
      THEY had a chance. They made their CHOICE!!
      Screw the people. I am more important than the country!!
      They SEEM nice people and SOME may even like them….but
      TREASON is TREASON!

      And since this crap has been going on longer than many here have been alive….
      NO MERCY!
      THEY stood in front of cameras, for the World to see, and LIED to our collective faces.
      Over and over and over and….

      A Leopard cannot change its spots!
      Jer 13:23

      Beauty is only skin deep…
      UGLY goes to the bone!!!

      There is a reason one should not keep Hyenas, Jackals and Vipors… as house pets……

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  11. David R. Graham says:

    Great speech in AZ. He has the dynamics of a political rally down pat. And the disciplined messaging. A supremely self-disciplined man. That’s what they hate the most about him. Extra-ordinary. Thank You Almighty God!

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  12. fleporeblog says:

    NAFTA is dead and always has been! There is absolutely nothing and I mean nothing that the MSM, Uniparty, CoC, Big Club, Globalist can do to stop our President. He has the ability to single handily terminate our country from the agreement. It would only take an EO and a 6 month time line. In the meantime our Killers would have negotiated separate bilateral deals with Canada and Mexico during those 6 months.

    China is scared out of their minds! In the last week, their world has been rocked! Moving forward with the 301, individuals and entities sanctioned by Secretary Mnuchin. Our relationship with India blossoming. NAFTA evaporating into thin air. No more selling trinkets through Canada and especially Mexico to override tariffs.

    This is WINNING at the highest level!

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    • magatrump says:

      Potus Trump said at a rally that he was gonna kill the Paris Accord and he did. Tonight he said he was gonna kill NAFTA and he will. NAFTA is done. NAFTA is DOA.
      God bless President Trump.

      Liked by 6 people

    • G. Combs says:

      I hope that means NAFTA is a prelude (in C# minor*) to President Trump leaving the World Trade Organization.

      * I am listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lezwzI3Kbr8

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      • Bendix says:

        Nice accompaniment to the mood today.
        Yesterday, when I saw that our president was going ahead with his agenda, putting his new Afghanistan policy out there in front of the people, the tune that was running through my head was I Can See Clearly Now.
        The media reaction to the events in Charlottesville was a rather major obfuscation, but that’s over, the truth of what happened will eventually come out, and it didn’t have any lasting effect on its target.
        It bothered us more than him.

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  13. rsmith1776 says:

    What’s lower than a “1”?

    Ørack Øssein Øbama.

    (May the son of a… ,literally I mean, rot in a federal prison one of these days, Øllahu Økbar)

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  14. Kroesus says:

    I do not know what your definition of “outset” is (negotiation?) but since during the campaign Trump’s first inclination was always to renegotiate and it that failed to withdraw and work on bilateral deals.

    Liked by 2 people

  15. Ghostrider says:

    Last night was DJT at his best being DJT. He said all the things a politically correct politician would never say. The media’s non-stop barrage against our president was met with the force and effect of a real president. Loved every minute of it

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  16. deqwik2 says:

    About that timber .. oh never mind you just keep yours & we will harvest our own.
    Canada might need to go into the furniture making business. sarc/

    Liked by 7 people

    • ladypenquin says:

      America has plenty of renewable and conservation abilities to harvest our own timber. It was/is the greedy politicians in DC who decided they could take the money, destroy American jobs – which essentially destroys communities and towns across America, and that was fine with them. These destroyed communities (rust belt, New England, the South and Northeast’s textile mills, even the Pacific Northwest) have been essentially rendered into welfare “ghost” towns. The people are still there, but they only have hopelessness.

      Does anyone remember John McCain’s infamous words during the 2008 campaign, where he told the people of Michigan that “those manufacturing jobs weren’t coming back?” Talk about a loser of the diabolical kind, it was made clear then what had been the game plan of the globalists, collaborating with the Congress critters: how to take the wealth out of America, but worse, taking the spirit and way of life from Americans.

      No reason in the world for us not to be manufacturing our own goods, reopening our own textile mills. Get rid of unions, and businesses can afford to do business in America. Many states in the South have “Right to Work” – and their people and businesses – the auto plants are thriving – have reviving town economies. An auto plant in Tennessee just said “NO” again to the union creeps for the second time. That’s winning Bigly.

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      • ladypenquin says:

        Want to make clear McCain’s statement. He said during the primary against Mitt Romney, re: Michigan, “Those jobs (manufacturing) jobs aren’t coming back.” That cost him…along with his “Barack Obama will make a fine president” – the 2008 election.

        Now we know the truth. It’s the rotted DC Congress Corpse who takes our jobs out of the country – President Trump is exposing this and forcing the return of our jobs, our money, but most of all reviving the spirit of what it means to be an American.

        Liked by 6 people

      • kiskiminetas says:

        It was Volkswagen in Chattanooga.

        Liked by 1 person

      • Bendix says:

        If the jobs were really gone, that would be one thing. Industries do go away, and workers do get harmed.
        But manufacturing has not gone away! We still use manufactured things.
        I wonder sometimes if the worthless Republican Party really did believe the jobs just went poof!
        A nation that produces nothing, is not a secure nation. It does not matter how many soldiers such a country has, it will never be secure.

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    • PreNanny says:

      Right on Deq.
      Hell I even remember when a 2 bah 4 WAS 2 bah 4!
      Sharpen the chains and lets get logging American wood.
      MAGA

      Liked by 7 people

      • abstain says:

        The mills need to be built here.

        Liked by 3 people

      • Founding Fathers Fan says:

        In the ’50s finished 2 x 4’s were 1 7/8 x 3 7/8.

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        • Alligator Gar says:

          But the laborers, skilled laborers, and millwrights (My grandfather was all of them as he progressed through his career working at and later building sawmills–from scratch!) knew that you didn’t ship green timber harvested on a 30 year schedule! Have you seen the travesty called lumber these days? My mom’s dad is rolling his grave with anger. He could tell you to an inch how many board feet of lumber was in a tree. He loved his trade and was good at it. And, like all Americans once were, he was proud to do good work. Sloppy wasn’t in his vocabulary.

          Americans know better than to sell this junk that passes as lumber. We should insist on doing better for ourselves–we should only sell 40+ year timber, properly cut (i.e. no knots on the edge–which robs the buyer of the proper width of lumber and of a sturdy construction product), and properly dried. I’m tired of having to bold down a “straight” 2x6x12 to get a “straight” (i.e., not warped!) deck. /rant off!

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    • WSB says:

      Almost all of my FFE specs were sourced to Canadian furniture makers when the $CAN was 75% of American vendors’ prices. Then EVERYTHING moved to China. Even with the shipping, no one could beat their prices.

      Liked by 1 person

  17. james23 says:

    Good news. These boys are doing a nice job on Trade

    Liked by 2 people

  18. valheisey says:

    Sort of related, but how do we break up big business as in SD’s example of the worldwide lemon market and price fixing?

    Liked by 1 person

  19. Doug says:

    Obviously these guys are much smarter than me, but if the two countries wont change course on country of origin the deal is off. Nothing else matters if they wont address that. Part of me wants to hurt the economies of those two countries now simply because of the abuse and disrepect they have shown us for decades . Thats probably childish of me but id be lying if i said otherwise

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  20. Radical Redneck says:

    Continuing from earlier thread:
    ginaswo says: August 23, 2017 at 1:47 am…I met the President. I repeat, I met the president.
    Is this real? Did this really happen?

    Guys I met our awesome President

    I did too. World Series 2000 (forgettable subway series) He and Melania got into an elevator with me in the late Shea Stadium. He broke the ice in the crowded car by polling everyone how Bernie Williams would hit that night. Although NO Yankee fan, I said “3 for 4 baby” which he liked.

    Elevator was crowded and Melania was pushed up tight against me. Can’t say I minded…in the least!

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  21. duchess01 says:

    I was surprised Sundance rated these negotiations a ‘3’ at the onslaught – but, I accept his postulate – after (5) days of NAFTA NONSENSE – I was not surprised to hear President Trump say what he said last night – he cannot help but speak the truth – however, NAFTA needs to be exposed for the farce it is – it was never about ‘trade’ – it was a stepping stone to the North American Union – period!

    It was painfully clear how lopsided this agreement was at the onset – it was designed to strip us of our sovereignty – the American people of their jobs – our manufacturing prowess – prosperity – you name it – it was a disaster-in-the-making – those who allegedly ‘negotiated’ this trade deal – were globalists whose only intention was to destroy the USA – redistribute its wealth – and rob its people!

    That’s my story – and I am sticking to it! Good riddance to bad rubbish – I say!

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  22. ej says:

    1. I think being called a “racist” is one of the few things that gets to him. While he was doing his best to make it funny, I think he is really offended deep down. It’s unfortunate that he had to give up so much to try and make a difference and feels insulted. I feel badly for him.

    2. Other than 1 above, he really was at ease and having fun. He is in total control.

    I think this was just a taste of what is to come. It was literally the warning shot across the bow. He didn’t name names or drag anyone through the mud, but he is not opposed to it.

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    • CryingMediaLover45 says:

      Yes, being called racist is very insulting to one who is not a racist. His track record has no evidence of racism and one does not become racist overnight.

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      • Doug says:

        yes but the left has done a great job of removing the meaning of racist… it doesnt have nearly the same punch it once did since they just call everyone that… they have now moved onto changing the meaning of Nazi and Fascists

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        • Bendix says:

          It isn’t so much the stupid name, because I’ve been called that and my whole existence is so far from that it isn’t funny. As is our president’s.
          What rankles me is the sort of people who assign themselves the right and the power to investigate you for suspicion of racism, and judge you.
          Who do they think they are?
          In President Trump’s case, the racism charge is an obvious ploy by the opposition, but I’m a private citizen, and too many Americans have willingly taken on the GDR tactic of policing their neighbor’s perceived mindset.
          There is no racism in a country with a black man in the office of President. What, did our whole system, and racism is a SYSTEM, change the moment Barack Obama left office?

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  23. Carolina Kat says:

    NAFTA is irredeemable. There is nothing in our interest in keeping it and our President has vowed that unless it is in our interest, he isn’t doing it.

    That put the nails in the coffin right there.

    When I was in 7th grade, in our North Carolina history class we all did a report on the state as our final grade. I remember getting an A+++ because of my essay on the economics of the state wherein I discussed how textiles, tobacco, and manufacturing were the big three drivers of our state. At the time the family farm drove the agriculture, and many, like my family, grew their own food. (My mother thought a weekly grocery bill of $30 was robbery).

    Here we are as a result of NAFTA, no furniture manufacturing, no textile manufacturing, and regulations and taxes hostile to the industries that used to manufacture electronics and other products here. The furniture towns like Lexington and High Point and Hickory all have big beautiful highways to nowhere. The days of affordable real cherry or real oak solid wood furniture that would last generations are gone. Ask any furniture retailer what type of wood is used in the manufacture of any product they are selling and they cannot tell you. Finishes are called “brown” instead of mahogany. Wha? It’s all soft wood junk.

    I used to buy fabric and make clothes, drapes, quilts. The price of imported fabrics are ridiculous. My daughters were not interested in making things they could buy cheaper. There is no style anymore. After they priced out the manufacturing with cheap clothes, the prices went up. It was a trap.

    The game is up. We live in a rigged system. It’s time to recover that which was lost. Kill NAFTA, Mr. President, before it kills us.

    God Bless President Trump

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      • Carolina Kat says:

        Thank you – I did! This has been our approach all along with the caveat that you can be in the world but not of it. It doesn’t pay to isolate oneself into ignorance. This graph resonated with me:
        Retroculture is simply living again in the old ways, the ways in which most Americans lived up through the 1950’s. From lifetime marriage and family meals to regular churchgoing and proper dress, from hanging out the wash and cultivating a big garden to regularly visiting the art museum and the symphony with the children, Retroculture is the opposite of an ideology. It is concrete, not abstract. It deals with Cultural Marxism not by confronting it but by ignoring it. It says to all ideologies, “We’re not listening to you anymore. We’re just going to live in the old ways again, because we know those ways worked. The new ways, those developed from the 1960’s onward, have not worked. Goodbye

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        • Sounds like the back-to-the-land hippies in the 60’s and 70’s…I lived that lifestyle and really still do.

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          • trapper says:

            Sometimes people sense things. They sense something isn’t right, that they are being lied to, that they are being manipulated, that things they are being told are valuable are not, and things that are being mocked are in fact righteous. I think it is our brains processing minute bits of information we are not even conscious of, like micro expressions. Artists and some who populate the left sometimes are like canaries in the coal mine. They let us know something is up, but they can be completely wrong about what it is.

            “Something happenin here, what it is ain’t exactly clear…”
            “When the truth is found to be lies…”
            “Look out, kid, they keep it all hid…”

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        • trapper says:

          Yes, Kat! That paragraph jumped out at me as well because it echoes my favorite passage from Jeremiah, 6:16:

          Thus says the LORD: “Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’”

          It is our task, our challenge to answer “Thank you, Lord, WE WILL walk in it!”

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      • tampa2 says:

        Interesting read, trapper…

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      • recoverydotgod says:

        Excellent article. Thanks for linking it!

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    • Bendix says:

      That “brown” furniture is not “green” either. Once you damage it, that’s it. It’s only suitable for the trash heap.
      It doesn’t even make suitable firewood.

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  24. TheWanderingStar says:

    The more that President Trump weens people off the media narcotic the better informed they become and the more independent they become.

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  25. trapper says:

    Kill it now. There is no point in going on with any negotiations. It only opens the door to another bad deal for America. Bilateral deals only.

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  26. TheLastDemocrat says:

    This might be the approach to NAFTA: carry on negotiations.
    Find three or four obviously exploitative aspects, such as the issue of Chinese car parts being part of MIM cars entering U.S.
    Seek a “mutually beneficial” position on these 3 or 4 issues, and allow Mexico and Canada to decline to negotiate.

    Allow the world to see how Canada and or Mexico will not entertain the idea of more fair arrangements.

    Allow Mexico and Canada to kill off NAFTA. -This allows Trump to seem like he was willing to work on it all, but they walked away – walked away based on greed and unfairness.

    This is kind of Trump’s way. Sure, I will lay nice with GOP. Here, Reinse, please fill this role for me.

    Oh, you have decided to step down? OK, well I tried to put some GOP stalwarts in my administration, but they all left on their own.

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    • Bendix says:

      The ones who bail on President Trump, in this and in other issues, like Obamacare, could not be more exposed if they were butt naked.
      That’s how those CEO types who left his board or whatever it was left – butt naked.
      Maybe that’s how we should start referring to his opponents – the Butt Nakeds.
      We could say “Buck”, but that would sound like a porn actor’s trade organization or something.

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  27. RJ says:

    President DJT has exposed the media and political class for what they are – communists, fascists, liars, bigots, crooks, and scum. Their only response is to call him ( and 63 million voters) racist.

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  28. C. Lowell says:

    The globalist NAFTA sold to America by Bill Clinton,

    After Robert Rubin showed him Wall Street’s goodie room…

    You’re not in Little Rock anymore Bill!

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  29. jefcool64 says:

    Maybe by threatening to leave (and it’s a definite real threat), that will freak out Canada and Mexico to salvage something for themselves because the deal for them will just get worst.

    In any case I’m so glad we have a president to do what is necessary to get the American people a better position on the table. We have so much economic leverage it would be wise for other countries not to poke the sleeping giant.

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  30. fedback says:

    Does it mean there will be no ‘diverse’ Nafta

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