Understanding The Nunes Paradox…

“SCIF”Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility. To understand the larger Devin Nunes briefing issues it is important to focus on the word “compartmented”.

Intelligence information is housed by compartments. Each intelligence unit holds intelligence unique to that compartment. The FBI Counter-Intelligence Unit would hold the intel information specific to their task or assignment. The CIA would hold their own compartmented intel; again, specific to their task and objectives. So too would the NSA or Pentagon.

This compartmented structure is what led to the creation of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, ODNI. The 911 commission recommended the position to serve as a hub able to ensure intelligence sharing; that is – to ensure intelligence was not intentionally withheld from other compartments when needed.

It is doubtful the 911 commission ever gave thought to what might happen when intelligence is weaponized as a political tool. The DNI is a political appointment, a cabinet member, of the President.

Thoughtful exposition – If the executive branch, the President, wanted to weaponize intelligence as a political tool, he/she would have control over such weaponization as an outcome of their political appointees within the: CIA (Brennan), NSA (Rogers), FBI (Comey), DNI (Clapper), DoD (Ash Carter), etc.

However, understandably the key figure would be the DNI hub – James Clapper.

We will come back to that in a minute.

♦ The balance or civilian (representative) oversight into the compartmented intelligence falls to a very select group known as the Intelligence Gang of Eight.

Four Democrats and Four Republicans (four minority party and four majority party political leaders) for a total of eight. Four from the House and Four from the Senate. –Understand the Gang of Eight Here– The Gang-of-Eight can, if they choose, interact with the intelligence product with the same level of security clearance as the compartment being reviewed.

Only these eight members can interact with the intelligence product in this way. This ensures their ability to conduct oversight.

It is critical to understand the difference between the House Intelligence Committee, the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Gang of Eight. Only two members from the House Intelligence Committee (chair and minority), and two members of the Senate Intelligence Committee (chair and vice-chair) are participants. The other four are Speaker of the House, minority leader of House, Leader of Senate and Minority leader of Senate. The latter four are not part of any other intel committee.

Four months ago, we had a suspicion these events would shake out in this type of fashion; that’s why we wrote:

[…] Never forget this undisclosed motive to advance cover-ups.

It is also never discussed in the media.

My spidey senses are telling me that understanding these facts, and understanding the construct of this oversight, will be an important reference point for all Americans in the very near future.

Here’s the current 2017 Intelligence Oversight Gang of Eight:

Expanding on Compartmented Intelligence. The originating intel agency holds their proprietary intel they create in their SCIF. They may also receive intel products created for them, which they will also host in their unique SCIF. Thus, intel is compartmentalized.

However, the White House -the executive branch- is also a host of intelligence information and consequently the White House has their own SCIF which holds intel products they would create (very little), or intel products created for them (the vast majority). An example of a product created for the executive branch would be the President’s Daily Briefing (PDB).

The PDB as a whole product would only exist in the White House SCIF. Parts of the PDB would be hosted by the originating participant, ex. CIA, NSA, FBI, DoD, State Dept. etc., but only the White House would have the fully assembled product. After all, it’s assembled for the President.

Putting the “Oversight” structure together with the “Compartmented” intelligence security you will note that only a few people ‘could’ access the PDB. The President (Obama), the President’s National Security Advisor (S. Rice), the President’s Director of National Intelligence (Clapper), or any member of the aforementioned oversight gang-of-eight.

Hopefully I haven’t lost anyone yet.

♦ If the House Intelligence Committee, or Senate Intelligence Committee, as a whole – wanted to see the PDB they would have to request the individual components from the individual intelligence agencies because the PDB product was not created for them; it was created for the Office of The President.

Only the Chairman and Minority leader from each Intel committee could go to the White House to see the PDB end product. [Remember, they alone are four of the Gang-of-Eight.]

This is why Devin Nunes, who is a Go8 member, must request the intelligence from each department (NSA, FBI etc.) in order to share it with the committee. Nunes cannot export or import product he did not create.

The Congressional SCIF would then hold the compartmented information after delivery for the committee members to review under very tight controls. The intelligence is removed/deleted after review. No systems are connected.

♦ BRIEFINGS – When the Gang-of-Eight are being briefed, they are being briefed at essentially the same level as the President, albeit they may not have the same exact end product because it is also subject to user “as needed” requests. However, when the larger congressional intelligence committees are being briefed, they are not briefed at the same level because they hold a lower security status.

So what does all this mean?

Our research indicates that Chairman Devin Nunes, a gang of eight member, reviewed intelligence reports (most likely PDB’s) that were assembled exclusively for the office of the President (Obama). That is why he went to the Eisenhower Executive Office Building (EEOB) Information Facility to review.

The intelligence product would be delivered to that SCIF system for his review, most likely by the ODNI.  It would be removed from that SCIF system after his review. No systems are connected.

Nunes stated the intelligence product he reviewed was “not related to Russia, or the FBI Russian counter-intelligence investigation”. So the product itself was likely a product for the President, that was not part of the ongoing FBI counter-intel product.

Again, this is why it seems likely it was part of a PDB – unless it was a separate product, apart from the PDB, which was created for the Office of the President. [I view the latter as highly doubtful because it would be too risky for the President to be asking for specific ‘stand alone’ intel on something Trump.]

♦ Now, HERE IS WHERE YOU NEED TO PUT ON A “Politics only” FILTER.

Couldn’t Adam Schiff (another gang of eight member) go look at the same intelligence as Nunes did?

Yes. However, purely from the standpoint of politics: why would he?

If Representative Schiff saw the same intelligence that substantiates Nunes he couldn’t keep up the fake outrage and false narrative. Right now Schiff can say anything about it he wants because he hasn’t seen it.  If Schiff actually sees the intelligence Nunes saw he loses that ability. He would also lose the ability to criticize, ridicule and/or marginalize Devin Nunes.

The same political perspective applies to Minority leader Nancy Pelosi, Minority leader Chuck Schumer and Senator Mark Warner. For each of them to see the information would eliminate their ability to talk about it, or criticize Nunes. The politics of the situation are more valuable so long as they don’t engage in actual truthful knowledge.

Chairman Nunes cannot share his intelligence finding with the House Committee, because the intelligence product is beyond their intel authority. Nunes has to ask for it in portions as each compartment would permit and authorize; And so long as Pelosi, Schumer, Warner and Schiff refuse to look at the intelligence that ‘only they’ are allowed to see, they can continue to ridicule and take political advantage.

This reality is also the reason why the media is so able to manipulate the narrative around Chairman Nunes; and simultaneously why he’s able to say he’s done nothing wrong.

On November 17th, 2016, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers went to see President-Elect Donald Trump in Trump Tower, New York.  –SEE HERE–  Director Rogers never told his boss DNI, James Clapper.

On November 18th, 2016, the Trump Transition Team announced they were moving all transition activity to Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey. –SEE HERE– Where they interviewed and discussed the most sensitive positions to fill.  Defense, State, CIA, ODNI.

♦  Earlier this month, President Obama’s former Defense Deputy, Evelyn Farkas, admitted to sharing classified intelligence gathered during an Obama authorized spying operation against the Trump Transition Team –SEE HERE– The reasoning she gave was:

[…] the Trump folks – if they found out HOW we knew what we knew about their, the Trump staff, – that they would try to compromise those sources and methods; meaning we no longer have access to that intelligence. (link)

♦ And now yesterday:

President Trump’s Director of National Intelligence (DNI) is former Indiana Senator Dan Coats.  Who was announced January 5th 2017, but was delayed confirmation by Democrats until March 16th.

 

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658 Responses to Understanding The Nunes Paradox…

  1. christinewjc says:

    I haven’t read through all of the comments here yet so maybe someone already wrote about this, but I noticed that Judge Napolitano has been reinstated at Fox News! Looks like they realized that he was telling the truth!

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    • Walt says:

      I think that is the piece, because they started all this based on the British dossier. with Trump team being unmasked they tied everything to Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen. The Brits tied it based on his name not the actual person. That is why all of this failed, because the whole time they were monitoring the wrong guy and nothing to do with President Trump.

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    • free2313 says:

      WELCOME BACK JUDGE NAPOLITANO, WELCOME BACK!!!

      Liked by 10 people

    • Janetoo says:

      I think they heard from many, many people that they would be turning off FOX NEWS if he was not brought back.

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      • yy4u says:

        Is he back on Fox News or Fox Business. I heard he was going to be on Fox Business this a.m. but Fox News and Fox Business are two different animals. Fox News is all-in for the Establishment/Globalism; Fox Business is there to do what’s best for business and, therefore, seems to give the best news. I used to watch Fox News all the time — now only watch Hannity and Fox and Friends.

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    • daizeez says:

      Seen him on Varney this morning but didn’t hear any explanation or mention of his suspension. Glad he’s back.

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    • boutis says:

      I have a feeling that his “punishment” was to make certain parties STHU and the Judge just said OK I’ll go to Florida for a couple of weeks. He is not “sorry” nor chastened.

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    • Jane in Florida says:

      http://deadline.com/2017/03/napolitano-donald-trump-return-fox-news-obama-wiretap-british-intelligence-video-1202054675/

      “On Fox News on March 14, Judge Andrew Napolitano made the following statement: Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command…He didn’t use the NSA, he didn’t use the CIA, he didn’t use the FBI, he didn’t use the Department of Justice. He used GCHQ… the initials from the British intelligence spying agency. By having two people say to them the president needs transcripts of conversations involving candidate Trump he’s able to get it and no American fingerprints on it.”
      He told Bill Hemmer today “I stand by my statement on surveillance,”
      “The American public needs to know more about this rather than less because,” he said, pivoting hard, “of a lot of the government’s surveillance authorities will expire in the fall and there will be a great debate about how much authority we want the government to have to surveil us.”
      “We’ll see how the story plays out,” Hemmer said, noncommittally.
      “I think a lot more is going to come,” Napolitano enthused.

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  2. jakeandcrew says:

    According to this article, dated 11/16/2016, wouldn’t Mark Warner be on the Gang of 8 now, not Feinstein?

    http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/mark-warner-named-vice-chairman-of-senate-intelligence-committee/article_bab30b64-0633-5ba5-b7be-a6ded6694fff.html

    U.S. Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., will serve as vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee in a restructuring of Senate Democratic leadership following last week’s election…

    Warner succeeds Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who becomes ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee. In that post, Feinstein will play a key role in vetting President-Elect Donald Trump’s nominee to succeed the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

    Also Wednesday, Warner urged Trump to keep President Barack Obama’s secretary of defense at the outset of his administration.

    “I wish he would maybe keep Ash Carter as secretary, at least for a year, at DOD for continuity,” Warner said in an interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

    Here’s the Senate Intelligence Committee site:

    https://www.intelligence.senate.gov

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  3. Victor Lazslo says:

    Wouldn’t Schiff have to know what to look for when checking at the SCIF? Wouldn’t Schiff have to know what Nunes looked at in order to make the right request? I think everything else in the article is dead on.

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    • Southern Son says:

      They fear it’s All Bad.
      Which it probably is.
      No Knowedge of it, is better than the Truth (Sunshine) for Dims, at this point.
      Almost coming to Boil!
      The crabs start tryin’ to crawl outta the pot anyday now.
      With increasing frequency.
      OboMao did, but he is easy to find.
      More people Worldwide know His mug, than OBL.

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    • The Boss says:

      I’m convinced Schiff knew from the get-go that the Trump team was under electronic surveillance, so he didn’t have to look over the PDBs. He already knew what was in them. That is why he’s acting even more like a bitch these days. He knows he’ll be getting a personalized arrest warrant very soon.

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    • LULU says:

      I think so. Schiff would need Nunes to take him by the hand and lead him. If I understood Nunes last week, something like that will happen this week.

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  4. kensme says:

    Trey Gowdy was a guest of Tucker Carlson last night and defined the DNI and intelligence compartments in nearly the same manner as this article. He stopped short of saying the DNI has blocked sharing of intelligence requested by the NSA.

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  5. Scott says:

    Good POINT about the dems not asking to see the same infor. A real journalist would asked them why they don’t request to see the same info.

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  6. navysquid says:

    Great article Sundance.

    Just some points, Coats is clean. Do not look that direction. He just came on board and is looking at all of the intel before proceeding. There is a lot of back channel talks going on that we never are privy to which is how it always has been until six months ago when those in my community decided their loyalty to a political party was more important than national security. The white hats had to strike back to keep the balance intact.

    One thing to remember about the IC is that we can never talk about events, places, timing, etc and so many times when misinformation or outright lies are stated we cannot say anything thus that reveals sources and methods and even what the IC knows and does not know.

    Regarding PDB’s, the PDB is developed by ALL disciplines within the IC. Signals Intelligence comes from the NSA, Human Intelligence comes from CIA, DoD, FBI, etc…What Nunes is dealing with, IMO, without seeing it, is highly likely coming from the NSA. Despite what has been written, there are others that do see and contribute as a whole to the PDB…the leaks are very likely coming from central figures already spoken of from the Deputy level and above from the prior Admin and some still remain. Obama’s allowance in the waning weeks of a subset of EO12333 does allow for more “eyes on” to intelligence not seen prior to certain IC members.

    Have faith there are still white hats in the IC that will keep America safe and NOT allow these rogue members to cripple our country. I wish I could say more about these issues but end here…

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    • Sandra-VA says:

      Thank you, NavySquid!!

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      • Southern Son says:

        Yes, Thank You navysquid!
        Thank You, for this Contribution, and more Importantly, for your
        Service to Our Country.
        The only way America will fall, will be if Good Men and Women(White Hats),
        do nothing, as they watch Enemies of America, attempt to destroy her.

        Press ON!!

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    • Uncle Max says:

      Agreed Navysquid! And THANK YOU SD, great summation of the curious unraveling of the Democrat talking points and intel, et al. Interesting times.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      If memory serves, Comey has not yet released FBI info requested by Intelligence Cmte. Comey would have continued to conflate Russia with the unmasking of Trump Team. Adm Rogers would have been set up to be the fall guy, imo, and Comey would have succeeded in further confusing the two separate investigations, Russia and the unmasking of Trump Team. Perhaps DNI Coats is protecting Adm Rogers for now. Agree Coats is clean, as is Adm Rogers, imo.

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      • mcclainra says:

        Coats may be clean, but not so sure about Rogers. I thought he was a white hat when I learned he had gone, without permission, to the Trump Tower, but now not so sure.

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        • BebeTarget says:

          Me, either, mcclainra. Rogers’ hat color continues to remain a mystery to me. How do we know he visited PEOTUS without anyone’s permission? From where did THAT information come? Obama selected Rogers and Obama refused to fire him after Clapper and Brennan ‘suggested’ he be fired. Many military men have been fired for less. What was it about Rogers that kept Obama from firing him? I know I may be wrong and have written this before, but today, the NSA is being led by an Obama man. Was this the plan all along?

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          • singingsoul says:

            Is Rogers not military..? If he is he would serve country not President. He would be loyal to any president the citizen elect and not get caught in political stuff..?
            Then there are exceptions to the rule I guess..

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    • Rip Tide says:

      Squid, thanks for throwing your “ink” down!! Good job!

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    • booger71 says:

      I know SD synopsis is well written, and also thank you for making this stuff a little more understandable, but after reading SD’s article 3 times, my mind is now mush and no amount of coffee will help just what the heck is going on in our intelligence community. I long for the day when the military and the President was in charge of foreign intelligence matters.

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    • daizeez says:

      After watching part of the Senate Intel Committee press briefing, it sounds more like the PDBs are what is being looked at on both sides (senate and house). Definitely some sort of reports that they said they had to sort thru to tell which agency the back up would come from.

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  7. melski says:

    Reporter: President Obama, what big ears you have.
    President Obama: All the better to listen in on the conversations of President-elect Trump and his campaign team, my dear.

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  8. Kelly says:

    Thank you for posting this Sundance. Just tried to explain this to someone in multiple 140 characters or less. I’m just going to do what I normally do – send them here to read it. People really have no idea about what the SCIF is and, as it name says, how compartmentalized it is.

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  9. SpanglishKC says:

    Hmm… Does this mean 45 has leverage over McConnell, Pelosi and Feinstein. He’s either waiting for the right time or this will be an incentive for them to go away and leave politics?

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    • donnajeanz says:

      In my opinion, you are correct. It is all about timing. Our POTUS knows all about “timing”. And we know he trolls them just before he Strikes…

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      • Go to last night’s WH video of Pres. Trump greeting the senators and spouses at his open house; watch and listen to his recognition and greeting of Chuck…..just pay attention to the message he sent to Chuck.

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        • The Boss says:

          It was very noticeable. And all that in the context of “how much fun politics is”.

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        • SpanglishKC says:

          Ok…I give up. I had listened to it before but went back again at your suggestion. Its over my head…what am I suppose to notice? Before he called out Chuck he was talking about bipartisanphip…don’t leave me hanging

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          • Pres. Trump and Chuck have known each other for a lifetime. Chuck used the Pres., when he was a businessman for funding his political campaign. They are both NY’rs and know each other very, very well. Everyone who has worked with the Pres. when he was a businessman has great admiration for him and they like him, even his enemies, who he has beaten.
            Pres. Trump knows that Chuck is all in on the uniparty, the swamp, the intel gathering at Trump tower and the POTUS knows what Chuck is up to right now.
            It’s really quite simple….they were signalling each other; Chuck is now his enemy; Pres. Trump is telling him….”Hey Chuck, I’m in charge and you ain’t”….”don’t mess with me Chuck…”
            It’s a NY thing.

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    • DD More says:

      Sounds like our 45 has some of the same characteristics as the Browning Model 1911 .45 Automatic Pistol. From Browning site – History.
      the Moro tribesmen of the southern islands (reportedly fueled by a dangerous combination of religious zealotry, ardent tribalism and potent opiates) engaged the American forces in a long bout of guerrilla warfare that ultimately lasted nearly 15 years. Much of the combat was at close quarters, where the Moros’ long-bladed kris knives were used to lethal effect.
      tests resulted in an official recommendation “…that a bullet, which will have the shock effect and stopping effect at short ranges necessary for a military pistol or revolver, should have a caliber not less than .45.”

      Now for use for the same reasons – POTUS 45.

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  10. Howie says:

    Shifty is shifting in high gear….
    GOP accuses Democrats of blocking closed FBI, NSA testimony on Russia
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gop-dems-blocking-fbi-nsa-testimony/article/2618696

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  11. MVW says:

    I have long reached my over the top pissed off point. I hate being beat up, and, worse, it looks like Trump has his hands tangled up and I have low confidence in the forward path to drain the swamp.

    Indeed, where I am at is that it seems the country is broke, not a mess, broke. I have no idea how Trump will fix it with what he has, but taking a wild stab at it the legislative branch looks key. Bad News.

    To deal with the legislative branch Trump needs a new team, and that is based on what has happened to date. Maybe Trump can figure it out without cutting the Gordian Knot. If he does need to cut the knot, what then?

    As for the intel part of the executive branch, I struggle to understand why it is not in Trump’s power to clean it up, but it looks like Trump does not know how to do it. It seems to me that he needs a non Globalist White Hat with skills and authority. I can’t see that in place based on what continues to take place in the CIA.

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    • bertdilbert says:

      Trump says “Never ever give up”. We are just 3 months in.

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    • Joan says:

      Good Lord – the man has been President for just a little over two months. A bit impatient, aren’t you?

      Liked by 9 people

    • snaggletooths says:

      He operated without his full cabinet for how long? ! Since day one he has worked at fulfilling his campaign promises to his voters more then any prior administration ever has.Continuing to be pummeled from all sides yet manages to try & bring all sides together to work with him on many issues this country has this country has a huge swamp that has been growing for decades yet you expect President Trump to drain it in less then 90 days?!

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      • Uncle Max says:

        He doesn’t even have his #2 at DOJ yet. I bet he’ll still be filling slots well into the late summer…. especially how the Senate is slow walking everything. The funny part is, Trump’s got this. He’s doing more with less appointed folks AND no freakin’ Obama Czars. Heh. Sure, the Obama hanger-ons’ are causing trouble, but the worm has turned.

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    • Bert Darrell says:

      MVW, maybe another lying Obama would have made you happier with his lies and treasonous acts? If you want to feel great soon you should consider taking the next rocket to Mars. Everything is nice and quiet over there. No internet, though.

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    • fangdog says:

      Bring in a “new” team and start all over again? If you think it is going “slow” now have you any clue how much longer it would take with a “new” team?

      No other President has ever accomplished so much in so little time with so little. The Democrats even seen the need to slow Trump down.

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    • Oldschool says:

      I share your frustration, but I believe in Trump and his judgement. This intelligence stuff is like a boil that needs to be broken. If that doesn’t happen sooner rather than later, it will further cripple him. Right now they have the narrative and Spicer and administration are daily playing prevent D. Not good.

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    • SEJMON says:

      YOU ARE NOT ONLY ONE….BUT BE PATIENT..JUSTICE IS BEST SERVED COLD..ALSO DO NOT DISTURB ENEMIES WHEN THEY DO MISTAKES AFTER MISTAKES…..

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  12. Jim Rogers says:

    Excellent article and reasoning, Sundance….. Just as it takes many coffee beans to be ground before a good cup of coffee can be achieved, so it is with your article….. As the truth filters through all aspects of your narrative, the result is an overflowing cup of “truth” that perfectly ensnares Obama and his nest of political vipers as the source of ‘leaks” aimed at undermining President Trump and his “drain the swamp” administration….. “Truth” is not only stranger than fiction, it’s also difficult to pry from the iron-fist of the Deep State ~ but it must be done! One of the ways is continuing articles such as this…..

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  13. navysquid says:

    Just FYI to clear up the wording of a SCIF…a SCIF is just a place or location where TS information is viewed or read. Almost, emphasize almost, any place can be a SCIF as long as it meets SCIF standards. We’ve had some interesting set ups overseas built to be SCIF’s.

    Also what Sundance was referring to in his article, “albeit they may not have the same exact end product because it is also subject to user “as needed” requests.” This is known as the “need to know” and happens when reporting may swing outside your lane.

    One may have a TS/SCI clearance but if you are not in the NASA / Deep Space UFO Cell (I made this up as an example) and are attached to the North Korea Red Cell Task Force your intelligence is different and your accessibility is limited to YOUR lane. This is typically ONLY in the TS realm. At the Secret level you have access to almost any intelligence, it is the Special Access Programs at the TS level that are limited…unless you are Hillary then you just keep those in a bathroom closet server…you know for easy access.

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    • Blade says:

      Bingo. Need-to-know information is exactly why spying on the President is problematic, because as the Apex consumer of these products where all those compartmented lanes converge, no-one in any of those separate lanes is cleared to see or hear everything they might see or hear from surveillance.

      And this is true ever since sometime after July 21 after the convention. Donald Trump has actually been in 3 separate positions here, Nominated-Candidate, President-Elect, and now President, with 3 separate increasing levels of briefings. It is a very special circumstance that literally means anyone spying on him ( especially a foreigner! ) is committing espionage, well unless maybe it is another President literally doing it himself. Add in that 17-agency executive order and the entire concept of compartmented national security gets flushed right down the toilet.

      A simple shortcut to expose the problem here could be if someone sticks a mic into the face of Schiff, Schumer, Feinstein, McCain, $hillary, Obama and asks this awesome question: Sir/Madam, exactly who has clearance to spy on the Nominated-Candidate, President-Elect, or President?

      Let’s see them squirm out of that one. Spying on the top dog is a very special circumstance, uniquely different than spying on any other domestic party. It is above any FISA discussion.

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      • navysquid says:

        Blade…exactly…someone needs to be asking the RIGHT questions and not for showmanship on TV (that is not a swipe at Trey as I like his DIRECT questioning…but ask yourself when has any Democrat on any past investigative committee asked serious, probing questions?).

        EO12333 has always been in place since ’81 and what Obama did was expand a SUBSET of the existing order to allow other IC members (re: everyone outside of the NSA) to see intel never before seen unless you had special access. OR what we call Hillary Access…lol

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      • Howie says:

        One spying on The President of the United States is an enemy agent. Foreign or domestic.

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    • …you mean, there isn’t a Deep Space/UFO Cell? *sniff* 😦

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      • navysquid says:

        haha There may be…just outside of my lane to review reporting.

        Family would always ask for me to review JFK reporting…those are the Special Access Programs that only Hillary and others have access to…sarc I am just as in the dark as others about that one…gov’t pulls many of that type of reporting (UFO’s, JFK, Sasquatch, etc) regarding JFK…personally, IMO, there is no way Oswald could have taken those three shots from that angle in that amount of time with that specific weapon.

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    • Rip Tide says:

      Yes Squid, that would be right next to her toilet paper.

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    • boojum says:

      Ah, so you know how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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  14. Sandra-VA says:

    This might be a clue (or not):

    Beginning of February, IT Cyber security guys were fired in middle of the night – the head guy had been put in that role in October 2015 (they are at Exec Building).

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/white-house-chief-information-security-officer-departs/

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  15. John Doe says:

    Who tipped Nunes to the existence of the material? Who is the intelligence “whistleblower”?
    Several people have mentioned Secret Service. I tend to agree. SS members are like the maids and butlers in English mysteries. Everyone forgets they’re even there, until needed. Who, other than them, would know ALL of the secrets? That Nunes went to the SCIF housed in the Secret Service building is pretty telling.

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    • deanbrh says:

      Are you referring to the Whistle Blower Dennis Montgomery and his stolen 46 hard drives and 600K pages of info that his Attorney wrote about and gave to Nunes…..and Nunes took it directly to PDJT because he was afraid Schiff et al would bury it? Nunes has not shown that to ANYONE except PDJT, right?

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  16. Kalena says:

    Navysquid. Thank you for your posts. They help me try to understand this complicated issue.

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    • navysquid says:

      Thanks, Kalena! There is so much more that myself and others would like to say but are prohibited…as stated on other prior posts here at CTH there will be clarity when this is all over because we (IC) are just as tired of seeing our country being railroaded by the last Admin in the last 8 years. I have never seen a person and cohorts who had such disdain for national security and could care less for upholding their clearances (See Obama, Hillary, Ben Rhodes, Susan Rice, Brennan, Jarrett, etc).

      Normal protocols that are and were supposed to be followed were swept aside because politics became more important and NEEDED to be used as a tool against their “enemies”. That is truly how they view those that opposed them as we’ve read in previous statements that they viewed conservatives / R’s as enemies and Iran, MBrotherhood, BLM, etc were friends of the Admin.

      Always remember intelligence should NEVER be political it is neither Dem or Repub, it is factual as far as it has been evaluated and analyzed.The prior Admin would TELL analysts to change intelligence to fit THEIR worldview and thus weaponizing the reporting to drive home their points. With the adults in charge now, this attitude will greatly be reduced though some will always remain as political Generals always are wanting to push their own stars for the CinC.

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      • SharonKinDC says:

        Squid, not sure how long you’ve been in the system in DC… Clinton also had a terrible rep re security. Turns out, they waived the need for background checks/clearances for a lot of their crony WH appointees.

        It was staggering to learn of the callous disregard for what should have been absolute, essential, no-brainer compliance. Frankly, both Clinton & Obama minions making noises about security ‘concerns’ regarding Trump and his people is ripe with hypocrisy. Trump is a rule follower/compliance w/ policy kind of guy. He might change the rules of the game in getting a deal in terms of strategy/tactics, but does not slouch on the basics when building a team. Security is huge, for him. If you can’t trust the people you bring on, you’ve got big problems whether gov’t or private sector business.

        While a rat can stowaway in the most battened down hold, not doing proper vetting is simply opening up all the hatches and welcoming in massive risk. That’s not how he plays.

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        • navysquid says:

          Absolutely Sharon K! The thing that ticks me off to no end…is many on our side see all the intelligence abuses by Hillary / Obama and their gang and WE DO NOT DO ANYTHING about it. Likely playing into Sundance’s UNIPARTY is the answer there.

          Democrat = Hypocrite

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          • rashamon says:

            GOPe = Hypocrite

            Undermining our Constitutional Republic started a century ago when the Federal Reserve and the income tax were instigated by the Banksters and East Coast Elite (one and the same group) as tools to control the working classes, who were further used to fight the wars necessary for the Powerbrokers to expand their territory and wealth.

            These dynasties have controlled us every since until…and no one expected this…DJT won the presidency adopting a platform that actually affected the citizens across the nation. As Sundance as said dozens of times, now unfathomable trillions of dollars they used to bankroll their devious operations are at risk. Moreover, their evil methodology is reverting our world back to feudalism. In short,

            “It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged.”
            ~~G. K. Chesterton

            Keep the Trump Train rolling, Treepers.

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      • mcclainra says:

        Navysquid, you are one after my own heart!! With these comment to Kalena, and also your observation(s) on JFK, which is exactly what my husband told me very recently.

        One of the things that is most frightening to me is how the military has been compromised. I was reminded a few days ago that all info related to, and/or called militant/terrorist izzlam had been erased from all military manuals under Bush 2, so should be no surprise that the military hierarchy has become as wishy-washy as it has. I have serious reservations about Mattis and McMaster, and think that is one reason the non-cormists (to a degree) Flynn was outed. I would love to see him brought back.

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    • Remington says:

      Yes indeed….thank you Navysquid for the overview. This requires a few readings to put it all together. ‘Talk about a four dimensional matrix…I’m passing it on to other folks. Here’s hoping they take time to read, and understand, the magnitude of this issue; and not go into the 1,000 yard stare mode.

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    • JC says:

      I echo that, Kalena, 100%.

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  17. Sandra-VA says:

    This story is also being reported by John Sullivan and Sara Carter at Circa, they apparently KNOW quite a bit and seem to have seen some documents (which they are not revealing) and are dripping info, so good source to follow (Sara also appears on Hannity regularly with updates).

    Here’s their latest update: http://circa.com/politics/barack-obama-changed-how-nsa-intercepts-of-americans-like-donald-trump-could-be-shared

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    • whuptdue says:

      Thanks for posting the link to Circa report which puts out brief explanations on individual pages from which I quote the following:

      “And in his final days in office, Obama created the largest ever expansion of access to non-minimized NSA intercepts, creating a path for all U.S. intelligence to gain access to unmasked reports by changes encoded in a Reagan-era Executive Order 12333.

      The government officials who could request or approve an exception to unmask a U.S. citizen’s identity has grown substantially. The NSA now has 20 executives who can approve the unmasking of American information inside intercepts, and the FBI has similar numbers.
      24 of 29

      And executives in 16 agencies — not just the FBI, CIA and NSA — have the right to request unmasked information.
      25 of 29

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  18. truthandjustice says:

    Unfortunately, most do not know and/or when they do read this kind of thing, it’s confusing and everything is so convoluted, deceitful, etc. – by design I’m guessing.
    The main one who needs to know/understand of course is Pres. Trump, despite all the dis/misinformation he has received. I think we can safely assume he has some advisors that he trusts giving him false info/choosing the wrong people – for whatever reason. They may even have good intentions and just ignorant. But he trusts their judgements. He doesn’t have the time to spend time researching everyone so it’s of the utmost importance that the ones he delegates that to are non-Globalists and not traitors of course.
    As of now, it does seem that he has a lot of Neocon Globalists, ex Bushies from the Bush/Cheney Admin. that have been chosen. It’s like a return of that Admin. Another sinister strategy to continue “their” agenda? All I know is, if I were “them” that’s what i’d do, or at least try.
    Re Coats – my short research says he’s a strong anti-Russia , and “Trifecta” – people who are connected to the Bilderberg Group, CFR and Trilateral Commission (Globalist cabal).
    The good news with that and others is that may not affect the particular role he has and if patriotic, will just do as Pres. Trump desires, etc. But who knows.
    Many things coming to a head though, which gives hope…..

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  19. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/reports-fbi-director-comey-senate-meeting

    I keep thinking about Dir. Comey and a closed-door meeting with gang-of-eight 9 Mar.Fri. I wonder how this fits into the scheme as everyone looked pasty-gray afterwards.

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    • graphiclucidity says:

      My belief is that Comey told them there was an open investigation into Russia Hacking and Trump Campaign collusion, that the investigation had found some areas of interest but that nothing incriminating had been found so far.

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    • jakeandcrew says:

      Members of both intelligence committees and some staff members have been given “unprecedented access” to Gang of 8 levels of classified information, for their investigation into alleged Russian interference in the election.

      From the article…

      BuzzFeed reported Thursday that investigators on the Senate Intelligence Committee had been granted unprecedented access to intelligence information for their investigation of Russian involvement in the 2016 election, including information normally reserved for the Gang of Eight.

      This is from the Buzzfeed article cited…

      Despite jurisdictional issues, Senate investigators are getting unprecedented access to raw intelligence to conduct the investigation. Just last week, the intelligence community approved a small cohort of intelligence committee staff and 15 bipartisan members of the panel to have access to Gang of Eight intelligence — material normally reserved only for the president, vice president, and eight select members of congress. “[This has] never happened before,” the third official said.

      The House Intelligence Committee has also received assurances from the intelligence community that its investigators will be provided access to Gang of Eight documents, a House aide said. That commitment, the aide said, came from the director of national intelligence’s office.

      https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/the-people-investigating-russias-role-in-the-election-worry?utm_term=.dsMZgb6yQ#.iszD2qpK0

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    • John Doe says:

      Yes, I remember this vividly. They ALL walked out of that room like their dog had just died.

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  20. graphiclucidity says:

    Clapper, Brennan, Morrell, Lynch, Yates, Comey, McCabe, Rhodes, and now Farkas.
    That’s just for starters.

    We need this chain of corruption to reach Jarrett and ultimately Obama.

    Pray for whatever divine intervention we can get here, people.

    Because if the dominoes keep falling correctly it could bring down the entire foundations of the Deep State and the Swamp will start draining itself.

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  22. Bull Durham says:

    We should give our support to a hero, an oath keeper, Devin Nunes.
    Here’s contact info to show him Americans back his actions in supporting the Constitution and President Trump.

    http://nunes.house.gov/contact/

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    • NewNonna!! says:

      Great idea! Done✔️

      I hope many other Deplorables join me and send the Congressman an email of support for doing the right thing and encouragement to continue to do so despite what others may do to stop him.

      Praying for his and his family’s safety.

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  23. So Farkas said in early March 2017:

    […] the Trump folks – if they found out HOW we knew what we knew about their, the Trump staff, – that they would try to compromise those sources and methods; meaning we no longer have access to that intelligence. (link)

    Who the hell is “WE”?
    • Farkas had left the Obama Administration in 2015!
    • Farkas had been working for the Hillary Campaign until November 2016.

    “WE” sounds like a combined Seditious Cabal that created a MASSIVE SPY RING to compromise the ELECTION, to undermine the TRUMP TRANSITION TEAM and to undermine the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT:
    • Obama Operatives to FRAUDULENTLY SOLICIT FISA WARRANTS
    • Obama Operatives to SURVEIL Trump and his Team
    • Obama Operatives to ASSEMBLE SPY REPORTS on them
    • Obama Operatives to UNMASK SUBJECTS of these reports
    • Obama Operatives to DISTRIBUTE UNMASKED SPY REPORTS outside the Government
    • Democrat Operatives to RECEIVE UNMASKED SPY REPORTS
    • Media Operatives to RECEIVE UNMASKED SPY REPORTS
    • Media Cabal to PLAN DIRTY TRICKS and COORDINATE PUBLICIZING UNMASKED CONTENT of SPY REPORTS
    • Etc.

    Could Russia have COMPROMISED this SPY RING?

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    • ADD: Farkas has been working for the Atlantic Council!

      Imagine the scope of their potential involvement:
      – The number of members
      – The members of many affiliates
      – Including JOHN McCAIN

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      • deanbrh says:

        Isn’t it truly stunning that Farkas was stupid enough to go on TV and blabber out all that stuff convicting so many people in her wake? Seems like it couldn’t have been at all important, really. Otherwise I would think she would be in custody right now, to protect her as if she is some valuable inanimate piece of EVIDENCE!

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    • No WONDER Congress delayed approval of DNI Dan Coats for 10 weeks.

      No WONDER DNI Dan Coats has delayed access to the SPY REPORTS until the Administration gets a handle on the scope of the SPY RING and the SEDITIOUS CABAL that conspired to take down the American Government!

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      • Howie says:

        The plan is a contingency plan. It was implemented upon the ‘unexpected’ Trump win. First to try and prevent his inauguration and if that failed Second, to impeach him ASAP. If the impeachment scheme fails they will all hang by nooses. It is a frame up attempt. Similar to the Angela Corey/GZ scheme on a massive level. Take that as the conclusion and work it back. It fits like a glove. if it fits, you must convict.

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      • singingsoul says:

        Was not Obama to have a big spy operation for surveillance and separate computer that Brennon and Clapper were involved with..???? I though I read something like that. The name escapes me.

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        • deanbrh says:

          Yes SingingSoul! You are correct, but the name of the computer escapes me too, and it was revealed just a few days ago.

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    • rsanchez1990 says:

      I don’t think Russia had anything to do with it. Purely the actions of white hats and whistleblowers compromising the spy ring. I think the spy ring was the Muslim Brotherhood, and the white hats didn’t want to see the Brotherhood infiltrate the highest levels of government, which they would have done through Huma Abedin with the help of the Awan Brothers and who knows how many other infiltrators if Hillary had won. /unsourced opinion

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      • Muslim Brotherhood Spy Ring:
        Now THERE’s a theory to vet!
        Awaiting evidence to the contrary.

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      • Obama’s affinity for Islam.
        Jarrett – Abedin – Awans – Brennan – …
        Libya Overthrow – Egypt Takeover – Syria Rebels – Iran Nuke Deal @ $150 Billion …
        The plot thickens.

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        • G. Combs says:

          I can’t find it right now,

          But in the WikiLeaks (Podesta?) I think I saw one e-mail where Citibank/Soros gave Obama the list of who to have as cabinet members. There was a second e-mail talking about giving Muslims prority to filling all vacant slots in the US government and someone complaining about finding enough bodies to fill those vacanies.

          I wish I could dig the actual e-mails out.

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      • Vic says:

        So it wasn’t the Russians and the Trump team, it was the Muslim Brotherhood and the Democrats. We need a special prosecutor for that! Start with the work being done by Gary Webb.

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  24. Bob Thoms says:

    Republicans lining up to dump Nunes as House IC Chairman; and kick the investigation to a special commission…………………….

    SMH.

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  25. Bob Thoms says:

    The GOP is not staying united and letting this story get off the “Obama Administration spied and unmasked the Trump Transition team.

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  26. psadie says:

    Great explanation of the intertwinings of the IC. But what a shame that Nunes just doesn’t come out and say that everyone on the committee can look at the evidence also but they refuse to do it so they can keep banging the drum and create a false atmosphere. This doesn’t serve the citizens well and it is shameful. The Dems need to be chopped off at the legs.
    Spicer is talking about it right now and he is deferring to Nunes…the whole thing is disgusting.

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  27. Bob Thoms says:

    Look at today’s presser = the first 30 minutes (and counting) about Nunes and NOT about spying and unmasking…………………

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  28. Finalage says:

    I don’t think it’s the PDB that Nunes saw. I think it was ODNI intelligence reports he viewed. The PDB is a product of the National Security Council (NSC) and Congress has no oversight over then. I would also think that the PDBs would not have the unmasked intel explicitly in them to protect the POTUS, since a successor POTUS would have access to them. I believe if there was any such info discuss in the PDB, those were destroyed by the previous administration.

    I think Dan Coates is delaying the release to review all the intel he has in the department concerning this situation. It will take some time to get through all of that intelligence to get a handle of what’s actually there.

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    • Howie says:

      How long did it take Comey to review the Weiner laptop?

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      • rsanchez1990 says:

        Way too damn little time to make the conclusions he made.

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        • anthohmy says:

          Depends on the software they used, they keywords they searched for, and the specifics of what related to this exact portion of investigation. I believe F.B.I. reports on HRC email stated were charged with investigating HRC’s release of classified information, specifically, in the information Comey reported on to Congress in October. I would imagine there could be other investigations relating to HRC that are not related to the release of classified information, where witnesses were not given immunity by Lynch prior to interviews, that might still be ongoing?

          Tree with many branches?

          It would be a riot if intel on Trump prior to October had popped up on the Weiner laptop.

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      • navysquid says:

        haha I believe you are being sarcastic as we know the FBI did not review 650,000 emails in 24-48hrs. All it took was the first 100 emails and the political links were too hot to discuss and that is why nothing has ever been discussed on a large scale since…though it is curious to see over 2500 pedophile arrests in the last 60 days since Trump arrived. Connection? More to information to come forth…

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        • Rip Tide says:

          Has there really been that many pedo arrests Squid? That is amazing, and probably just scratching the surface. Where can we find that info on the arrests? I would like to be able to forward and share with those who need to know. Thanks Navy!!

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        • CC says:

          Funny you should mention the pedophile connection. I read somewhere that between 75% and 80% of our elected house members and Senators are compromised. Meaning sexually compromised, (which even if that number is inflated by 30%, it still leaves a great many who are subject to blackmail, exposure, political arm twisting, etc). Which would explain the screeching from both sides of the aisles, including Lady Graham, McCain, Sasse, etc. on all matters Trump and their #Nevertrump stance. Is this what they all are really afraid of? Being exposed by the Trump administration for their perversions, child trafficking and other vile exploits?

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        • paper doll says:

          Those cases were ready to go…once Mr. Trump was in . The locals guys hauling them in…I hope that tide continues to the top

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    • Bull Durham says:

      The PDB is a product of the National Security Council (NSC) is incorrect.

      https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2014-featured-story-archive/the-evolution-of-the-presidents-daily-brief.html
      From above link:

      Today’s PDB

      CIA continued to produce the PDB until the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act was signed in 2004. This legislation created the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), which is responsible for oversight and coordination of the IC. Today, the PDB is an IC product coordinated by ODNI’s PDB staff in partnership with the CIA Directorate of Intelligence (DI)’s President’s Analytic Support Staff. It is still all-source publication that the president relies upon heavily to inform his national security decisions, and CIA analysts remain primary contributors.

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      • navysquid says:

        Correct, Bull. I had inferred that above that it comes from all disciplines within the IC. There are several hands involved in the PDB and is also typically briefed to select people on the NSC…these select people need to see the information as well to be able to better inform the president on varying scenarios but ultimately any decision out of the PDB brief is the presidents alone.

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        • Bull Durham says:

          And it was publicly reported that Gen. Flynn rejected what Trump was being shown in the briefings to the extent that prior to the Trump Tower SCIF, Pence was getting them, not Trump. Trump was getting Flynn-produced PDBs. So that was how Pence-Flynn split came to the “break”.

          I believe Nunes and Flynn have worked to reform IC and Flynn and his “people” in IC are working with Nunes to surface all this corruption and crime. Nunes was on the Intel Transition team. Thus, he and Flynn were “together”.

          And Nunes has always spoken highly of Flynn.
          He’s known him for years. Said he was the “best” of all Intel people in his ten years.

          During all that ten years Flynn has always been a thorn in the side of the IC and Pentagon.
          Yet, Nunes says he was the best.

          I still think Flynn and his people are the connection.

          Just a wild guess based on what I have always followed since Flynn surfaced in Moscow, at the RT gala sitting next to Putin.

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        • anthohmy says:

          Are all the hands, top hands on deck or are there lane changes, say McCabe delivers counter-intel rather than Comey, or does Comey receive report from underlings and generate one for PDB? If the answer is former, does Comey read every report that makes it into PDB as a matter of course, and every other department head, such that any unmasked information was visible to them, first before they hit ‘send’? Is FBI only agency who would surveil on counter-intel in country? Why would Brennan and Clapper go to the trouble of creating all those hacking tools and not use them? And, as yet unanswerable, why did Loretta Lynch pop up and remind us people have marched, bled, and died the day Trump tweeted out that he had been Clapped, I mean Tapped?

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      • Finalage says:

        I stand corrected! Thanks!

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  29. Tommy Tunes says:

    We need to start asking this question …. Why didn’t Hillary Clintons DNC let the FBI Look at the Servers that the DNC said were Hacked by Russians ???????
    As of today, many months after the election, no one has put forth any evidence that Russia hacked anything related to the election whatsoever. None. The closest thing anyone has even resembling evidence is the word of CrowdStrike, the company hired by the DNC to investigate their servers, after someone released emails showing that Democratic party officials had been working behind the scenes to discredit and disable the Bernie Sanders campaign.

    There are several problems with the CrowdStrike angle however. The first problem, is that the DNC refused to allow the FBI to look at the servers themselves. The FBI instead just took their word for it. The second problem is that CrowdStrike has a SIGNIFICANT conflict of interest in this situation. Google is a major stakeholder in CrowdStrike, and Eric Schmidt the Executive Chairman of Alphabet (the parent company of Google) was working directly on the Clinton campaign effort. He was providing tech assistance, he drew up her campaign plan, and he was even photographed wearing a “staff” badge in an exclusive area during election night.

    This doesn’t pass the smell test, at all.

    Furthermore, the anti-Russian angle peddled by CrowdStrike was premised on the “fact” that the malware used in the attack was of Russian origin. As any security expert will tell you, once malware is used in the wild, anyone can pick it up and use it (including other state actors).

    To bolster their claim, CrowdStrike attempted to draw parallels to a supposed hack on Ukrainian artillery communications that used the same technique. That however, blew up in their face when both the Ukrainian military and the International Institute for Strategic Studies came forward to debunk their assessment.

    Then there is the fact that Wikileaks has been very clear about the fact that their source was NOT Russian.

    “We can say, we have said, repeatedly that over the last two months that our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party,”

    The rabbit hole on this topic goes deeper, and clearly there is room for a lively debate, but it takes a willful act of intellectual dishonesty to treat it as a slam dunk case where the villain is clearly defined.

    Anyone who has studied crowd psychology knows that one of the most important principles of ideological contagion is repetition. It doesn’t matter if something is true or false. If you repeat something enough times people will start believing it. Once an idea becomes an accepted belief, it takes on characteristics of religious orthodoxy. To question becomes heresy.
    Read more here ;
    http://stormcloudsgathering.com/demonizing-russia-the-psychology-and-consequences-of-neo-mccarthyism/

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    • Ad rem says:

      Your comment was in the spam bin…. 😦

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    • anthohmy says:

      There is a transcript Assange posted on Wikileaks with himself, Schmidt and a couple of HRC lackeys who came for a visit, without revealing the HRC connection beforehand. Soon after Assange was outed and on the run. In retrospect, he realized HRC sent them.

      Assange had years to sit back and gather intel on HRC and any number of people who were similarly interested in obtaining it, from kimdotcom on. If anything has become evident in these past months, the NSA trapping and tracing all traffic across trunk lines into and out of the US, as a minimum, shows us that the NSA would know exactly who, what, where, when, and how DNC and Podesta hacks happened, if they were indeed hacks and not somebody downloading the data onto a thumb drive and shipping it overseas, with a missing link.

      That also makes sense of why neither DNC nor Podesta would allow access, that and Podesta lost his cell phone, his order for a new one is in the emails. If he didn’t have a 4 digit code on it, anybody could get in and continue to get in.

      HRC emails we have no idea of their authenticity since she stripped all the metadata out by printing them instead of sending the digital copy of the digital file. Hmm.

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  30. Ziiggii says:

    Our research indicates that Chairman Devin Nunes, a gang of eight member, reviewed intelligence reports (most likely PDB’s) that were assembled exclusively for the office of the President (Obama). That is why he went to the White House SCIF to review.

    I can’t find the info right now, been looking, but was it not reported that Obama’s PDB did indeed have some of this Trump intel in it? I swear I remember something revolving around the PDB’s that Trump saw and was amazed by it…. at the time it was something to do with the fake dossier.

    I’m gonna continue the search…

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  31. jamesmacalistair says:

    Outstanding research and investigative report. Very well done, bringing order and clarity to a system designed from the ground up to obfuscate and confuse all who approach. The use of timelines is absolutely crucial to any understanding of covert operations, and this work was brilliantly done, including the use of “relative time references” (e.g. “last month”) to suss out and identify when pivotal events happened. Kudos.

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  32. 3x1 says:

    “No systems are connected.”

    Officially and intentionally so.

    Reality showed that secure systems – weren’t.

    Senate Intel computers? Hacked by CIA (no charges against Brennan, who only had to write an “I’m sorry bout that” letter.

    House Intel computers? Hacked by the Awans. Distributed to who knows where.

    Computers of every single person on every single list and also those not on lists? Hacked by the NSA and also hacked by the CIA on their rival system and HIGHLY LIKELY hacked by GCHQ with or without their US partners’ knowledge. Possibly the Chinese, Russians and Goldman-Sachs special Advance Security System Worldwide Investing Parsing Engine (acronym omitted for decorum).

    Yes, yes, technically a SCIF has Red/Black separation of comm links and so forth, but they only work if people strictly follow rules.

    We had technically incompetent people running the show (0boz0, Lurch, Cankles, and the Harfs and other random Farkasii) who couldn’t wire a flashlight. Cruising in and out of SCIFs with smartphones? Dirka dirka geek squads like the Awans with physical and Admin access? And let’s not forget Gokgle and Apple, who pipeline backdoor access back to the mothership.

    Nothing electronic is secure.

    Officially it’s secure and compartmented. The reality is the guys with total top down view into the pyramid of compartmentalized buckets likely have full feedback on who is reading and sharing what. Clapper sits atop that perch:

    It might be useful to illustrate the access of Go8, House and Senate Intel, Presidential and DNI hierarchies in the SCI bucket chain of intelligence in an organizational chart format.

    This in and of itself may be challenging, as actual relationships and certain groups may well be classified or interconnected in non-public manners. That being said, visual aids help dummies like me 🙂

    If there’s a good org chart showing the relationships and pecking order of all these agencies and their supposed oversight balances, please post it. May help to clarify and facilitate where leaks were/are likely to occur.

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    • KitKat says:

      What the flowchart shows, imo, is bureaucracy gone mad.

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      • 3x1 says:

        It’s grotesquely simplified.

        Remember every organization has massive internal org charts:

        + mote not in that graphic.

        Let’s look at CIA (thanks Wikileaks! )

        Who keeps track of everything?

        What agency director would EVER report rogue ops on his watch?

        Who seriously thinks politicians can navigate this maze? Ones with ptior experience might, but they mysteriously quit Congressional careers in their prime to go teach, while their midlevel spouse suddenly gets a $10M a year payoff, sorry, “job” as a CEO.

        Dirty? Rigged? Oh nooooo. IC is clean as a whistle. Just ask them.

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    • navysquid says:

      3X1…good post and flow chart. This is supposed to be how it works but as you mentioned over the last 8 years people were jumping the chain of command and in many cases didn’t care for ANY military-CIA-related chain of command.

      As you also mentioned, rules were for rubes! No cell phones in certain areas…pfffft! Was their attitude. Sensitive Laptops left behind in cabs, planes, etc…for one, what were those even doing outside of a secure environment??, Second, does it REALLY matter? was their attitude.

      Everyone…the outright ABUSE that was done to our national security by this insecure, hating America, neophyte group of people was beyond scary. It really is unknown within the IC what damage has been done to our country with all the breaches of security during the Obama Admin from Hillary’s server to the OPM hack to many, many more. And the whole time their attitude was they didn’t care and it felt like that it was okay that America’s security was lessened because we “deserved it”.

      Think about this again…What POTUS would ever think of giving BILLIONS of dollars to our utmost enemy (Iran) and assist them in getting a nuclear weapon?? An enemy that was responsible for the most brutal and many deaths of my brothers in Iraq with the introduction of the EFP, their sponsorship of Hizballah, HAMAS, Youthi’s, etc…What POTUS would ever do that???

      Now do you see their lack of security in a different light?

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    • Man, did ya have to put the pink bucket as the top…hat….or were you implying that Clapper is a “pink-hat” pinko! 😉

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      • 3x1 says:

        Clapper’s weird.

        Curiously, he has similar hand gestures and facial expressions as Chirac. No idea what to make of that. Just odd.

        There are several other players in the intel world outside the five eyes. France, Israel, Iran etc. Who knows who is spying for who. There could be wild cards in this mess.

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    • 2x4x8 says:

      you are odd 😉

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    • anthohmy says:

      In the CIA’s org chart in Wikileaks Vault7, the CIA is parallel to and much larger than the White House.

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  33. Mac says:

    Thank you for the explanation. Most people do not understand how intelligence works.

    Intelligence services are like black holes. Information goes in, but it does not come out, unless releasing it is useful to the service to disseminate it. In fact, services do not even want to admit information exists, as this can compromise the gathering of future intelligence from that source, or sources. People also assume that a SCIF is like a library. If one has a card, one can simply enter and browse the stacks of information. It doesn’t work like that. One has to ask for specific information and it is then presented to them for their perusal. One has to rely upon the service, which maintains the SCIF, to provide them with all the information that they ask for. So, one usually needs a “native guide” to direct them through the intelligence jungle. And, one usually needs a reason to brave the jungle to begin with. It appears that Nunes has found both.

    Normally, the public would never hear any of this intelligence. However, as so much has already been released, we may actually get to see some of what went on behind the curtain. Those who directly leaked classified material in violation of federal law will probably be identified and some prosecuted. The higher ups will likely not be directly implicated, as hard evidence against them will either not exist or be suppressed. We’ll just have keep the pressure on the government to pursue this matter.

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  34. bitterlyclinging says:

    Time to start measuring the rope.

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  35. jente says:

    Why is there the presumption that surveillance was done legally and there will be a paper trail for everything? With regard to Dennis Montgomery’s information, what justification could they have had for warrants to surveil Chief Justice Roberts, 156 judges and members of Congress?

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    • psadie says:

      Blackmail.

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      • Exactly. Ever wonder why they so vehemently promise one thing, then get to Congress & do the exact opposite?

        You pick:
        1- They’re leveraged by blackmail
        2- They’ve been disposed of, and turned into Stepford Wives Robots

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        • Educated Citizen says:

          Agree. They are in panic now because they have no leverage over President Trump. They are trying very hard to create leverage ( Russian story is one example of it ) and it is falling flat.

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          • paper doll says:

            They are also trying the leverage of ” if you give us a pass, we will pass your programs in congress “…but they won’t…this is the crowd that pledged to support the eventual GOP nominee and were taken aback anyone expected them to fulfill it

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        • Rick says:

          They get compromised upon their arrival by the high class hooker that shows up at their hotel room door and it’s over as soon as their pants hit the floor. While it’s the best piece of a$$ they ever had, it is all bets off for the best interest of the people at that point. The women are not much different. They can be compromised just as easy. Remember that Elmers gal form NC? Just one of many. Too much free time on their hands with lots of expense money. Temptation is too great!

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          • Rick says:

            These are horny, perverted bastards that have sick family secrets. Not like normal hard working Americans who feel the pain day in and day out. Pedophilia, Homosexuality, Adultery, and pay for play are all normal modes of operandi for these sicko’s.

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      • 3x1 says:

        Blackmail 100%.

        Same as pedo honeypots like pizzagate and Epstein”s pedo island. Bet IC (especially creeps like Morell and Brennan would be giddy over exploiting children to gain political leverage)

        There have to be people in the IC who know what’s going on, are disgusted by it, but more worried about their pension.

        Now would be a darn good time to cleanse their conscience and tell EVERYTHING.

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      • libertysc2016 says:

        True. But we should not expect a paper trail for such instances. The notion that there would have to be a paper trail is a trap/false logic.

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        • CC says:

          There’s always a paper trail, or in Anthony Weiner’s case, a laptop filled with the evidence needed. Don’t forget that the laptop was Weiner’s insurance policy.

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  36. angryduc says:

    If the information is classified… what move can be made to make it known?
    Recognizing we don’t want this to continue while McCain and Cheney foment war.

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    • 3x1 says:

      At this point? Declaasify EVERYTHING short of nukes.

      Let the chips call where they may.

      IC betrayed the trust of the people. So let their precious toys and info become common knowledge. Now they would have no rqison d’etre and can go the way of the dodo bird.

      They’ve protected us from nothing, while getting veey rich and incredibly and uncontrollably powerful. Many fiefdoms. Zero accountability or oversight.

      Pull the plug. Pink slips for everybody. Redirect all their budgets and tools to DoD.

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  37. Watcher says:

    The gang of 8 would have known about the Russian hacking covert investigation since its start.
    When Nunes requested Clapper, Brennan, and Comey he was blown off. Why?
    Nunes issued a statement after this, quite interesting read.
    Zero had ordered a full review of Russian cyber going back to 2008. Why?
    To give his IT gang cover from the gang of 8. The msn were used with leaks as needed.
    We know zero was using this Russian investigation to spy on President Elect Trump and his transition team. NSA Rogers tipped PE Trump and he moved his team.
    Somebody was feeding the msn with leaks that resulted in Flynn/others getting removed from PE Trumps team.Who?
    Zero and crew obviously.

    The tipster alerting Nunes to look at zeros “finished product” which didn’t include Russian hacking but a Trump daily brief got Nunes attention. The gang of 8 had been had, and possibly complicit to a serious crime. He probably realized some of his gang were in on it.

    The tipster had to have eyes on the finished product or knows someone who did. A limited pool of people.
    I believe someone in zeros inner circle went CYA mode. Who?

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  38. decisiontime16 says:

    Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton Scheduled for ‘Hannity’

    (Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton will appear on “Hannity” to discuss a report detailing former President Obama’s rule changes, which opened the door for NSA intercepts of Americans to reach political hands.

    Date: Wednesday, March 29, 2017
    Time: 10 pm ET hour
    Channel: Fox News Channel
    Program: “Hannity”

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    • 3x1 says:

      “Though they were unable to get an on-the-record statement from the US Navy about the mission, a source reportedly told the station that the aircraft was on a Department of Defense training mission, focused on electronic surveillance.”

      Airborne listening post? Who important was in Denver that day who needed tracked & monitored?

      Tinker AFB is in OKC. Why hold over Denver, en route to Tinker? Denver is a busy airspace.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_Air_Force_Base

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  39. Trumppin says:

    Stop the Tape! Democrat Smokescreen via @TheDailyLedger

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  40. booger71 says:

    I wonder how many bells and sirens are going off at different intell headquarters with all the googling being done on this matter by all the most excellent investigators we have at the Treehouse?

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    • Rip Tide says:

      Yes Booger, I am amazed by the talented researchers who post awesome stuff, starting with our beloved Sundance of course. Thank you all for helping us to be educated, and stronger!! Keep up the important great work treep peeps!

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  41. sammyhains says:

    No wonder Democrats are freaking out. Nunes saw a domestic spying report on the duly elected president and his transition team that was gathered for, and at the request of, 0bama. This truly is worse than Watergate.

    It goes to show just how detected from reality 0bama and his people are. They believed they could criminalize routine business of incoming administration officials and sitting Senators talking to ambassadors of foreign countries, while breaking actual espionage laws as they do it. And they thought they could get away with it.

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    • sammyhains says:

      Should be “detached from reality”

      More thoughts on the above:
      Nunes had to get the Presidential daily briefings as an end run around the FBI, because Comey is stonewalling. Comey thought he could withhold evidence of his illegal wiretapping, but Nunes was able to see it, at least in part, because Comey provided it to 0bama.

      This is where TSHTF for Comey.
      Attorney General Jeff Sessions should hold a review of Comey’s actions, and should remove him from office, and pursue criminal charges if possible.

      But he should do it based on his highly unusual actions of using the FBI to politically harm Hillary Clinton by reopening the investigation into her a week before the election.

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  42. C. Lowell says:

    So Nunes is biased because Obama is corrupt? Good to know!

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  43. Pam says:

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    • The Boss says:

      I said a few months ago that Warner is positioning himself for 2020. I think he’ll find his chances are diminished after he finishes his witch hunt. This guy isn’t as smart or moderate as he’s made out to be.

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      • jdvalk says:

        Political opportunist. As I recall, as governor, he sabotaged state’s own bid for a baseball team at the absolute last minute when the Washington Post (which wanted it’s DC cronies over VA) implied in print that they’d make political trouble for him related to the stadium’s financing. Warner killed the state’s support even as their effort was set to win the day according to later reports, losing VA the chance at its only big league team. The absolute backstab nature of the move for supposed political gain (even Kaine tried to salvage things as governor later when DC started to muff the deal) stuck with me.

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  47. navysquid says:

    Off Topic slightly…as many readers see what is and has happened within our gov’t intelligence world…I think people need to rethink their views of Snowden. I know some within the IC still disagree with me but Snowden is exactly the same type of person that is releasing information to Nunes, Assange, etc when they see the abuses of our gov’t. This is why Binney and others at NSA tried to “do it the right way” and we saw what happened to their careers and is a large motivating factor of why Snowden released information in his way. He showed what has been happening for years. It has been the Uniparty that have yelled the loudest saying that he should be hanged.

    Moving forward sometimes we need to step back and try to understand why a person may be releasing information and see the bigger picture.

    Bottom line: Did Snowden break the law? Absolutely. Did what he reveal (as we are reading about now) change the way we think of the intelligence community? Yes. Not everyone is a white hat and as Obama’s Admin (Bill and Hill are included here) can show that intelligence can be politicized and used to damage American security and liberties. Intelligence in the WRONG hands can and will cause wars and deaths that should be avoided (i.e. Libya, drumming for one with Russia, Syria, etc)

    It’ll be interesting to see what will happen to Snowden over the next couple of years.

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    • 3x1 says:

      Snowden is the bravest man in the entire country.

      NOBODY else put it all on the line to expose what was going on.

      Everybody else kept their heads down, played CYA and plods towards their pension.

      Medal of Freedom.

      They should build a giant statue of him facing Ft. Meade. No need for one at Langley. It should be demolished and the valuable land used for condos or strip malls. Either would be better for the country.

      Whatever good the IC might have once done is GONE. If you work there and care about your country, quit. Find employment outside illegal shadow governments.

      Guys like Clapper and Brennan signed your paychecks. It’s dirty money.

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      • 3x1 says:

        Above not directed @ navysquid. DoD is good to go, as soon as they kill the LCS, Zumwalt & F35. Ban businesses with former 06 and up who landed $$$$$$ reward jobs after their “service”. Look at the SEAL who chose to stay at Lockmart instead of accepting an offer to serve as DNI (turns out he was described by one who knew him as “a galactic turd”, lol) For some people it’s all about $$$$$. They will sell junk to DoD for fat commissions all day long. As bad as lobbyists. Ptui.

        (I’m animated today! 😁😁😁😁😁

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    • anthohmy says:

      The left loved Deep Throat when it was Nixon.

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    • G. Combs says:

      I read here at CTH that Snowden tried to go the legal route and got no where so he weht the illegal route instead.

      Whistle Blowers are muzzled/threatened unless the serve a useful purpose for the elite. I and others have found this out the hard way. So yes Snowden should get a pardon and a big welcome home…. Although at this point Russia may be a more free country to live in then here.

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