Waco “Twin Peaks” Shooting – The Crossfire and The Four Dead Bodies We Don’t See…

One of the more frustrating aspects to the Waco “Twin Peaks” biker shooting story is the lack of photographic references to aid in a full understanding of the proximity of all the characters, suspects and witnesses involved.

However, after reviewing hundreds of media articles showing bits and pieces of the event we finally have some optical references for a story as it is told.

But before going to that aspect another controversial point should be expressed.

No-one here is saying the police, in totality, did anything wrong.  Conversely, it would be unfair to think EVERYONE, who were rounded up as 170 ‘conspiracy suspects’ and who were detained in the aftermath, is guilty of murder.

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There are many concerning aspects which need sunlight regarding the immediate police response to whatever caused the spark of violence.  Similarly, there are concerning aspects about the wholesale arrest of ‘bikers’, or unaffiliated motorcycle riders, purely due to their proximity to a violent event they did not participate in.

Hopefully, anyone vested in the interests of lawful due process (ie. everyone) would be concerned with ‘wholesale roundups’.

Think about the following analogy.

Remember when the two Ferguson Police Officers were shot while standing post outside their police department?

Imagine the response from the community, national media, and the larger U.S. population if the riot clad police had rushed across the street and arrested everyone in the vicinity; rounding up the crowd along West Florissant Ave., from where the shots originated.

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Imagine those Ferguson protesters being rounded up, taken to a convention center for processing, and then held on million dollar bonds while the police began their investigation into who did what, where and when.

Sure there are differences; and to avoid semantics and a litany of inbound protestations, I am not trying to equivocate the shooting of police in Ferguson to the shooting in Waco Texas.  I’m simply asking readers to pause and contemplate the aspect of proximity arrest, or guilt by association, against the backdrop of individual due process.

We firmly stand on the principle that our legal system is based on a premise that: “it is better to let 100 guilty men go free, than to convict a singular innocent man wrongly“.

In Waco Texas, currently, this legal principle has been turned on its head.

Amid the 170 arrested motorcycle riders, there are bound to be many, perhaps dozens, who will have absolutely no charges brought against them because there simply is no justifiable evidence to support their continued incarceration.

Yet they remain sitting in jail, right now.

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One attorney is trying to change that by filing motions on behalf of two of the accused (Link Here).  Whether he succeeds or not is unknown.  However, the basic tenet behind his motion(s) is fundamentally solid.

No American who believes in ‘due process’ should be applauding the continued incarceration of the transparently innocent; even if that innocent is merely one hidden amid a group of 170.

As a nation of free people, ruled by laws, conceived around the principle that liberty is the most valued disposition, all of us should be worried about the approach being taken by the Waco judiciary.

There but for the grace of God – and a decision to eat chicken wings in the wrong place at the wrong time, while selecting a seemingly unappreciated mode of transportation – go I.

I digress.

To our central discussion point of what took place:

Several days ago, May 20th, we received an email from a distraught family member of one of the incarcerated.  The email contained an outline of a brief discussion the writer had with her husband, who was a witness to part of the events, and arrested in the aftermath.

Because we could not verify nor vet properly the information, we tabbed it and tucked it away for reference.

We still cannot substantiate the full content.  However, we have been able to locate visual information which does align with the general gist of the story as shared.  Visual information that was not known to the sender, and unknown to us as we continued to review hundreds of stories, links, pictures and scour the little information that is still surfacing on the local Texas media sites.

Additionally, nothing has surfaced which refutes or disputes the story as it was shared.

In very short form the version shared was of a biker who did not belong to an organized motorcycle club but who saw a flyer for a “legislative affairs discussion event which outlines current regulatory policy as it relates to motorcycle riders” at a local bike shop.

So he decides to attend and see what it was about, whether it would be anything of interest, and what topics of legislative discussion would relate specifically to motorcycle riders.

He arrived at the venue moments before the shooting took place, and not knowing anyone decided to walk in the front door.  Walking past the registration table set up under a portable canopy, when he first heard gunshots.

Not knowing what to do he froze in place, heard more shots, and the sound of bullets he perceived as generally whistling by his vicinity.  He ran back toward his bike, deciding it was safer to lay in the grass.  He had no idea what was going on behind him when he reached the grass, and so he crouched down and headed for cover near a Dark Blue SUV.

When he reached the SUV, he heard gunshots from the area he was now in.  He saw what he later described as a SWAT officer, or police officer of some form, in a firing position, on the other side of the SUV; and so he thought he had put himself in a dangerous proximity to fire.

He made the decision to jump into the grass several yards away, and behind the SUV.  There he laid on his stomach with his head down.   After several moments of silence he heard the command to ‘stay down’, and not knowing if the command was directed to him, to everyone, or to anyone specifically, he just decided to remain laying there.

Approximately 30 minutes later a police officer came and took him back toward the Twin Peaks parking lot into a police vehicle.  He was cuffed without further explanation and after approximately an hour in the back of the vehicle was driven to the convention center.

There he remained quietly, not wanting to talk to anyone; for several more hours until he, along with a host of others, were transferred to jail.  He was permitted one monitored phone call to his wife on the 3rd day (Tuesday May 19th) where he told her what happened and asked for help.

This person thought (wrongly) he was only going to be questioned by LEO as a possible witness to the events, and then released.  It was described, as written, as “living a nightmare”.

Again, we have no way to verify, validate, or authenticate this story.  Nor do we wish to.

Those of you who know the research we do, fully understand why we remain intentionally detached from people contained inside the stories we research.   The truth has no agenda, and it is entirely more valuable for objectivity and truth finding when you hold no disposition as to the outcome where truth is found.

However, that said – this entire SWAT fire aspect is now beginning to surface.

Here are some general pictures of the vicinity, along with my own definitions for later reference.

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This is the front entrance ↑ of the Twin Peaks building (front doors slightly off picture on left) along with the portable canopy and registration table as it was described. –click to enlarge– Note the don Carlos restaurant on right.  Notice the grassy area between the police car and the front of the building.   Two important things to also note:  ♦ First notice how the patio wraps around the building from front toward the back.  ♦ Second, notice the white pickup truck on the lower right.  That is the pickup truck from this next image:

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Here is another picture of the front ↓:

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The front doors ↑ are more clear, and the size of the patio which wraps the building is more evident.  Again you can reference the registration canopy.

Here’s another with SWAT unit members and investigators ↓:

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Now, here is an aerial picture of the back ↓:

Waco 26 overall back composite

Again, click to enlarge as needed.  From this overhead perspective (the back looking toward the front). Notice the White Pickup (center top).  Notice the location of Don Carlos (left).  Notice the grassy area in the front (top). AND importantly => Notice the location of the SWAT MRAP (far left behind Don Carlos).

Here is a picture of the side (from the perspective of being above Don Carlos).  Notice again the white pickup truck. Notice again the length of the patio (from the front, left, toward the rear, right).  Notice the base of the Twin Peaks sign (looks like a phone pole on left)

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If you click on this image (above) and enlarge – you will also see bullet impacts to the front of the vehicles parked rear in, and impacts in the rear of the vehicles parked nose in.

Here is a close up picture of the side from street level (zoomed) ↓:

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Notice the headlights are on indicating little time to respond (urgent dismount, from the riders).

Now, with a general grasp of the geography being discussed, remember back to the story as shared.

Look closely at this image:

waco twin peaks from Don Carlos

Do you see the SUV on the left.  Also look at this enlarged and zoomed image of the same picture:

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Some of those evidence cones are clearly marking shell casings.  Possible SWAT/LEO sniper location.  Notice also that’s a heck of a long rapid fire shot, even with training.

Now check out this picture from a slightly modified perspective (click to enlarge):

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For perspective ↑ : Notice the back end of the white Pickup truck (lower right corner).  Notice the Canopy (lower left).  But look closely in the grass in the image above.  Enlarged below ↓:

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Again, what appear to be evidence markers, in an area a considerable distance from the restaurant indicating possible shell casings from SWAT/LEO sniper fire.

Against the backdrop of the witness story as shared, the visible locations as indicated make sense from the perspective of the witness.

Considering the known firing positions, evidenced by the location of shell casing markers; and considering the location of SWAT equipment, evidenced by MRAP;  A triangulation of fire is visibly noted.

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In this video you can see uniformed Waco PD officers returning fire from the Don Carlos parking lot.  Essentially, the SWAT MRAP would be off screen right behind the building and behind their firing location:

We know from Spox Swanton that 22 officers were pre-positioned prior to the event; including: 10 members of Waco PD SWAT, 2 Sergeants, 1 rookie, and an Asst. Police Chief.

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None of this proves the story of the witness as told – though it does align. However, neither does it disprove the story.  Heck, nothing is provable or disprovable with current information, and we all note the Waco PD are in no hurry to provide updates.

Lastly, and this might be the most important aspect that EVERYONE is overlooking, amid the pictures we have been able to research and find, you’ll note that in every single one of them there’s only THREE or FOUR visible dead bodies – yet nine people were killed.

Waco PD Spokesperson W. Patrick Swanton has said nine people were killed; one of those died in the hospital – that leaves 8 people who were killed on the scene.  Yet we only see 3 or four bodies in all of the visible pictures.

♦ Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, died of gunshot wounds of the head and trunk.
♦ Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, died of gunshot wounds to the neck.
♦ Richard Vincent Kirshner, Jr., 47, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
♦ Richard Matthew Jordan, III, 31, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
♦ Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, died of gunshot wounds to the head and trunk.
♦ Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
♦ Matthew Mark Smith, 27, died of gunshot wounds to the trunk
♦ Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
♦ And Charles Wayne Russell, 46, died of gunshot wounds to the chest.

Waco PD Spokesperson W. Patrick Swanton said: “three were killed in the parking lot, one body was found dragged behind the building, and four were killed in the front of the restaurant“.

Meaning it is entirely possible those four were killed “on the porch/patio” of Twin Peaks – which is not coincidentally the location where CCTV cameras are located and AP reporters (who watched the video) have stated only one person displayed a firearm on that patio.

It is therefore entirely possible that four people were killed as a result of their proximity being the backdrop of the downrange fire from the positioned police department who missed their parking lot target(s).   Four bodies on the porch/patio, hence we cannot see them in any pictures, who could very likely be completely innocent victims of inbound gunfire from the police department.

Waco PD are withholding the CCTV video from Twin Peaks and no media is putting pressure upon them to release it.  Will that video show four people shot as they tried to get into the safe cover of the restaurant interior?

update-1UPDATE 5/27/15 2:00pm:  We just received confirmation that Don Carlos has a CCTV camera at their vestibule (front door) which, as a consequence to the camera angle, is directly aimed at the Twin Peaks side parking lot.  The camera is to the left as you walk in the front door.

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Is the issue of unintentional victims why the Waco PD has put so much media emphasis on the “weapons” they discovered inside the building itself?  Because they need a narrative of ‘possible risk’?

Are those four dead people victims of police fire? Is that why this entire event does not pass the sniff test, and it appeared from the outset the Waco PD were trying desperately to get out ahead of the story?

Only time will tell, and absent of a seriously critical media we are left to scour scant resources for what information we can piece together.  So why do this?

….Because, beside the growing probability there are innocent victims, there are also 170 people out of work, missing paychecks, away from their families, and they have lost their freedom and liberty -quite possibly out of paranoia on behalf of the police department- and some of them, even if only one amid the 170,  will be found to be transparently innocent.

That ONE person could just as easily be YOU or ME….

….. if we happen to go to the wrong place, at the wrong time, and find ourselves surrounded with the wrong people.  Unfortunately, I doubt either of us will be afforded the benefit  of a politically correct police department afraid to cross the street.

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Your thoughts? 

♦ Waco Research Thread 1 – The initial Shooting As Reported
♦ Waco Research Thread 2 – LEO Affidavits Inconsistent With Spokesperson Claims
♦ Waco Research Thread 3 – The Waco Police Narrative Continues To Evolve
♦ Waco Research Thread 4 – CCTV Video Refutes Original 3 Days of Police Claims
♦ Waco Research Thread 5 – Listen to the Waco PD Radio Traffic
♦ Waco Research Thread 6 – 14 Officers Were Shooting – Report: “Thousands of rounds”
♦ Waco Research Thread 7 –  Washington Post eye-witness account
♦ Waco Research Thread 8 –  The Fill-in-the-blank Probable Cause Affidavit

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319 Responses to Waco “Twin Peaks” Shooting – The Crossfire and The Four Dead Bodies We Don’t See…

  1. Aslan's Girl says:

    Wow, amazing research, sundance. Bravo. ITA. This event NEEDS sunlight.

    One thing I wonder about: the police claim they found all these weapons inside the restaurant — how do we know they were not the property of the restaurant owners? They may not have had anything to do with the bikers gathered.

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    • John Galt says:

      100 weapons – 50 weapons – 1000 weapons – 318 weapons

      Doesn’t exactly inspire confidence, does it? As far as I can tell, Swanton said they found one gun in a toilet. The rest of the items allegedly found inside Twin Peaks are referenced generically as “weapons” which may consist primarily of legally carried knives.

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    • kinthenorthwest says:

      Sundance does it again… 1000000000000 High Fives Sundance

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  2. Anubis says:

    Incredible deductions. I want to know how to hide AK-47s in toilets and food. My that’s a big sandwich you have.

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  3. BobNoxious says:

    Here is another angle that shows the truck bed w/out any marks on it, likely confirming that is a bike mirror as opposed to bullet holes or “muzzle rise”.

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  4. andi lee says:

    I keep going back over Sundance’s photo #3, the rooftop view with specialized trucks, and vehicles of some type. I see a van with what looks like a sattelite attached to it. That could not possibly be a news truck could it? No way. Is that surveillance, eavesdropping, wiretapping equipment? – Midland PD and Odessa PD have come out reporting they expected this same shootout scenario in April’s meet-ups in their town(s), and did exactly what Waco PD did, flushed the meet-up with a heavy presence of law enforcement. Lives saved. Until now. Nothing is what it seems, yet I get a sense, with lives hanging in the balance, the danger is real.

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    • BobNoxious says:

      That was one of the media staging areas so there is a 99.99% chance those are media trucks. In fact, you can see at least one camera set up on a tripod next to the vans and what looks like the back of the police spokesman’s head, so that’s likely where he held his daily pressers.

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    • BobNoxious says:

      Here is info on PACSAT; it’s a company out of Austin that provides sat trucks for TV stations.

      http://www.pacsat.com/page24/page24.htm

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  5. Just Sayin says:

    Hope I’m not repeating someone else’s post, but if everyone is arrestable as a co-conspiritor, is everyone also, therefore, shootable?

    In other words, “Chief, we shot some bikers who weren’t part of the brawl. There’s some ‘collateral damage’ from the ‘fog of battle.’ Innocent victims. What do we do?” “First of all, don’t call them innocent. Just arrest everyone there on the same conspiracy charges. If they’re all guilty, ain’t none of ’em innocent. You got me?” “Gotcha, chief.”

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    • John Galt says:

      I think that’s probably the objective. Everybody with a motorcycle is a “bad guy” and therefore shootable. Note they are “bad guys” and not “suspects.” All 170 or so of them.

      Swantonisms:

      “yesterday’s events started as bad guys on bad guys”

      “There were so many rounds fired from bad guy weapons here.”

      “When our officers arrived, those bad guys turned their guns on our officers”

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      • michellc says:

        “When our officers arrived, those bad guys turned their guns on our officers”

        That is something else that doesn’t add up. Somewhere I read(can’t remember where because I’ve read so much) that 117(I think) had weapons and there were 22(I think) police. There have many so many different numbers provided that I forget which were made when. That many people in a gunfight with that few of people and not one cop with even a scratch?

        My BIL was shot while wearing a vest, it saved his life and saved him from major injuries, but he still had bruising which had to be documented and he still had to have it checked out by a doctor.

        Just more about the entire thing that doesn’t pass the sniff test for me.

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        • John Galt says:

          “that 117(I think) had weapons”

          Swanton was throwing the word “weapons” around with wild abandon. First, anything other than a gun was not a threat to the cops based on the apparent shooting positions. Accordingly, we can discount wallet chains, boots, pocket knives, etc. Second, Swanton is vague (and I think intentionally so) with respect to the locations of firearms found. One was found inside the bathroom of Twin Peaks in a toilet. Others were found in vehicles. The suppressed Twin Peaks video reportedly shows 3 people holding handguns, only one of which was fired.

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          • michellc says:

            He still made the claim though and there is no way if what he said had any resemblance to the reality of the situation that not one officer would have some sort of injury.

            So it’s fairly obvious he lied, exaggerated, stretched the truth, however you want to label it.

            When you will lie about one thing, that makes everything you say suspect imho.

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      • James F says:

        But they did not call them thugs because of *white privilege!

        Given the choice, I would rather be called a thug than a bad guy.

        *this apparently includes all the “white Hispanics” and “white Blacks” pictured in the mugshots.

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        • James F says:

          I am referring to idiots like Deray McKesson whining about the bikers getting supposed special treatment due to “white privilege”. Here is a snippet from his CNN interview.

          “I want to see if you agree with that sentiment, because what we saw in Waco earlier in the week, the coverage of this biker — this biker gang madness — I don’t even know what to call it — the coverage of this biker gang madness that happened in Waco, there wasn’t the use of the word thug in the media coverage.

          People like you, I think, spoke out and said there’s a double standard as a result. Am I getting that right?

          MCKESSON: Yes, I think that Waco’s fascinating. Right? ”

          http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1505/24/rs.01.html

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        • no, they just have called us all gangs for a week.

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    • wizzum says:

      Anyone who runs is a Biker, Anyone who doesn’t run is a well disciplined Biker.

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  6. One thing that bothers me still, and which fits this scenario, is the fact that mostly Cossacks and essentially no Bandidos were killed. I’m assuming there is some truth to the WaPo report from the escaped Cossack leader who claimed a set-up by the Bandidos. If so, then perhaps the Bandidos had the SWAT equivalent of a battle with the sun at their backs, if they pulled in and formed a line with their backs toward LE, forcing the Cossacks to essentially draw on LE, while Bandido weapons would be less clear to SWAT. Not sure where the lines were formed, but it seems most logical that the Bandidos, arriving later, fired toward the building and away from SWAT.

    Another point – the pictures of Cossacks talking to LE after the shooting. I get the impression they saw themselves as the victims at that point.

    Something is definitely missing in the simple story of “biker tinderbox explodes”. Glad that the truth is slowly emerging.

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  7. geoffb5 says:

    I wonder if the intelligence that something was going down at this particular COC meeting, as compared to others which happen every other month or the weekly “bike nights” that Twin Peaks holds, was gathered through the SOD and that now the Waco Police have to come up with a “parallel construction”* of just where they got the information that led to all those forces being there when they weren’t at the many other gatherings?

    *>>>“Agents are instructed to then use ‘normal investigative techniques’ to recreate the information provided by SOD.” SOD whimsically refers to overhauling facts as “parallel construction.” Reuters quotes a former federal agent: “You’d be told only, ‘Be at a certain truck stop at a certain time and look for a certain vehicle.’”<<<

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  8. wrongonred says:

    Interesting, check this post and the accompanying photo with sniper overwatch at Jesus Rodriguez’s funeral. This is the man who earned the Purple Heart.

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  9. John Galt says:

    Adam Reposa

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    • Geez, Lawyer tries to sign bail & waco says no.. Go figure. Sad, so sad..

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    • JustSomeInputFromAz says:

      “Hernden said he is certified in Bexar County to post up to $2 million in bail.”

      Is this usual to be “certified” to post bail in your home county?
      Is this some sort of “pre-certification” for future possibilities?
      Not from Texas and just would like to know.

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      • John Galt says:

        I don’t know, but higher bonds typically mean that bondsmen make more money.

        http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/06/10799/wisconsin-open-bounty-hunters

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        • JustSomeInputFromAz says:

          John Galt,
          Agree, the bail industry in for a windfall.

          But my point is Wrongonred posted an article from a San Antonio site and I read the article and the Lawyer is quoted as saying with regard to Mr. Diego Obledo: “Hernden said he is certified in Bexar County to post up to $2 million in bail.”
          I have lived on this earth 59 years to date. I have not yet encountered the need to be “certified” for some amount of bail.

          My question to Texas Treepers is: Is prior “certification for multi-million dollar bail” a common practice?

          Or perhaps Lawyer Hernden is mis-quoted?

          On a lighter note I think “J.Noble Dagget” could be of assistance…..

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          • everlastingphelps says:

            A lawyer has a surety with an insurance company that covers his attorney bonds. When he files that surety with the county, the insurance company puts an authority limit on it. I’m pretty sure that means his surety on file has a $2MM authority.

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      • John Galt says:

        That is an interesting topic. If 170 bikers each pay a 10% fee of a $1,000,000 bond to a bonding company = $17,000,000. Then most of the charges get dismissed. Very happy bonding company.

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        • pspsst says:

          Highly lucrative at $1m bond. It takes a longer time to get approved for the necessary funds – so powers can shut the bonded from exiting jail and telling their stories. Once it settles down after a long drawn out prosecution, say interest over several months, it becomes win-win when they get kick backs on the fees and interest.

          Telephone conversations with family members have been shut down too through pretend bungling of phones and paperwork for visitation. The toxic waste is getting stronger.

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    • Jujube22 says:

      This is such an injustice. I’m starting to think the criminal justice system in McLennen County is just corrupt. If you Google “Abel Reyna” (the DA), you’ll find a lot of his antics.

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  10. robert l meadows says:

    Protest video please share it!
    Title : Waco River of Blood !
    Check out this video on YouTube:

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    • kinthenorthwest says:

      Every time I hear this song it breaks back memories of my Last Hippie Houston days before moving on to Haight.
      Back in 67 I was at Allen’s Landing in Houston in one of our Hippie Hangouts. The
      Place got raided — they were actually just being a pain in the ??/ to the owner by checking the employee health cards, and if the owner had all the right papers…Took about 20 mins…They did nothing to the patrons.
      All of us were just sitting there shaking cause the police had all the exits barred until they were done…
      Just as the police started to leave the band started to play that song and of course us young idiots started cheering and singing along…We all got checked for id and patted down —Believe it or not, even the women were patted down by male officers.. purses searched and pockets had to all be turned out…
      They did end up leaving 45 minutes or ?? later–with 2 arrests–heard later that they had some pot on them…
      Thank you for the memories Robert.

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  11. kinthenorthwest says:

    Got a comment awaiting moderation…Did i say something wrong???

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  12. David Baldwin says:

    17,000,000 for the bonds, plus interest, attorney fees, court fees, lost wages, lost jobs, false imprisonment, civil rights violations, false arrest, wrongful death. There is no way the prosecutors can connect 117 people with no criminal records, from different clubs, to a Rico charge. This is a S#1t sandwich that the county will not be able to afford to pay. If you own a business in Waco, time to clear out before your taxes triple.

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  13. mushy says:

    most shot in head I say that’s good shooting from bikers who has not had much training as a police

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    • Almost all bikers, ( MC or Gang ) were onsite w law enforcement present, no trouble so far. Banditos show up & don’t even get parked, and shtf..
      Banditos skin a gun, shots are fired, Cossacks swoon in to assist ( grouped )
      Police engage & there ya go.. Yep, some innocent folks have died. I believe there was a Spook or two embedded, I could be wrong. Clearly the Banditos started that fight that day. The ongoing travesty is the jailing, no bond setting (essentially) of ALL present at the TP Diner, I mean one idiot out of rage, skins a gun, fires a shot w law dawgs everywhere, wow.. Blows my mind.. JMO…

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  14. Ok, can someone state exactly how many Banditio’s & Cossack’s are actually under arrest? I’ve searched but can’t find the “truth” count..

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  15. EclecticAK says:

    On perusal of these and pictures elsewhere on the ‘net you 5 apparent victims. One Cossack by the tipped over motorcycle, two bodies right together in the line-up of parked bikes, one near the corner of the building and the fifth out by the unparked motorcycles…..

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  16. Gene Hart says:

    and the holding facility is a privately run ‘for profit’ jail.

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  17. EclecticAK says:

    Said for-profit private detention facility also lost its previous contract with the Feds (Immigraion) for unsanitary/unhealthy conditions….. might as well be in a Mexican or Middle-Eastern jail……

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  18. mrrabbit says:

    The above photographic evidence as analyzed by the OP does provide a pretty decent analysis as to the likely shooting positions – their cones of fire – and where they cross.

    Right where those bodies are laying right in the parking lot.

    Assuming the analysis is correct – it is damningly clear that the position in line with the white pickup had ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS WHATSOEVER firing off a single shot – ASSUMING THEY DID.

    (^ Note my careful wording – no strawman responses please.)

    If it does turn out that the four “missing” were indeed inside the patio or just inside the restaurant itself – that would suggest it WAS the position behind the white truck that fired those shots – making those LEO guilty of violating a golden rule:

    “Be sure of what is BEHIND your target.”

    While the position firing along the parking lot could make the argument that they had a “justifiable” shot – the position behind the white truck can not. They’d be totally out of line trying to argue that.

    There’s simply no way you could provide any assurance whatsoever as a percentage – large or small – that you could make a supposed “safe” shot with the crowded patio and restaurant as a backdrop.

    In addition, you have Internet trolls – that’s what they are – posting everywhere including the FreeRepublic that it was just a bunch of bikers pulling out handguns and having a shootout – repeating the Washington Post story ad-nausem.

    Problem is, the release of the one person on bail to get bullet fragments removed from an arm at a local hospital directly refutes that.

    Why?

    .38, 9mm, .40. 44 and .45 caliber pistol rounds leave their pistols at about 900 – 1000 FPS. When they do hit a hard object and fragment – they’ve lost so much energy as fragments that unless they hit an eye or very soft tissue or a surface vein – they’re more a nuisance. They’re remembered more for nasty burns than they are for causing death from an organ strike or bleed-out. Many folks in articles, blogs and on Youtube report picking the fragments out from the dermal layer – and the nasty burns.

    Rifle rounds from Hyper Velocity .22LR all they way up to .50 BMG however are an entirely different story. They’re leaving the rifle barrel from 1470 FPS all they way up to 2900 FPS – and the fragmentation from those rounds have a much higher risk of serious or fatal injury – the conserved energy in those fragments – especially at a close range such as with this incidend – is much higher.

    I’m betting the fragments removed from that gentleman’s arm were fragments from a rifle round.

    If that turns out to be the case – it would merely add evidence to the case building that at least some of the officers were irresponsible – and were responsible for the injuries and/or death of at least some of the innocent bystanders.

    When this is all over – there is going to be plenty of blame to go around for LEO, Bikers, non-Bikers and property owners alike.

    Lawyers will see to it…

    =8-|

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  19. Alfred E. Neuman says:

    Reblogged this on The Lynler Report.

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  20. wondering999 says:

    Has this been posted already? Like everything else, it’s contradictory…
    “….a Bell County attorney representing John Wilson, said his client had a much different understanding. Wilson, a top officer of the local Cossacks chapter, said police had encouraged the Bandidos and Cossacks to mend fences, and he thought his club was welcome at the Twin Peaks meet-up”
    http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/stuck-behind-bars-families-await-biker-releases-as-lawyers-claim/article_63f9bff8-acff-5af9-8c45-ac34254aa123.html

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    • EclecticAK says:

      Gee, does this indicate that the local Whacko media has finally blown their nose and are beginning to catch the noxious smell of bullshit emanating from their local PD?

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  21. As a prior law student I am appalled at not only the handling of the shooting itself it is number one improper prceedure to arrest every person in the vinicity just because of the clothes they wore. This is a clear violation of the 14 ammendment discrimination protections available based on race creed religion sex or parched leather vests. The second ammendment violations were the had the right to peaceful assembly. Ever photo shows all but nine people did just that. Sat quietly peacefully. We let the klue klux klan more rights to assemble with police protection. Second the right to due process provide specific procedures to be followed to arrest you read your rights. You have to right to know what you are being charged for. A right to an attorney a right to a speedy trial. Must be arranged witnin 48 hours. Allowed a phone call. And bail set at an amount deamedvresonable. Now comes the shady part. Not only were unheard of unresonable bail set but we’re offered a lower bail if they would sign off on any rights to sue the police for unlawful proceedure. To ask them to sign off on their rights in exchange for resonance bail is just a bribe. Also per the freedom of information act the public is entitled to a cess to the video footage available. The public is also entitled to ballisting reports showing one man that was actually shot by a club brother and not the police. Where is this information. Why is this and the video evidence released to the public. Being a witness to violence is not a crime. Wearing a club patch is not illegal. Carting a firearm with a proper permit is not only legal but a way of like in the state of Texas. Most of the 170 plus persons arrested are still incarcerated. Many have lost their jobs and cannot take care of there families. People wake up. This could happen to your kids because an altercation occurred at a graduation party. Does your child have piercings tattoo’s gauges in their ears. Tounge rings lip rings. Can you honestly say because your child is different does that make them a target for discrimination or unlawful arrest and detainment.. how about because you are black or Hispanic or Jewish or a biker. This is a police state and if we as citizens allow this to continue we are leaving our selves open to a b tyranny our forefathers fought so hard to protect. This is freedom people. Maybe suprised to know majority of bikers are war veterans. Is this what we have come too. Look at the videos again.at least 160 plus bikers sat peacefully and calmly while waiting on the police. WACO. DEMAND THE TRUTH GET THE FACTS BEFORE THE LAND OF THE FREE STANDS FOR TYRANY. Wake up demand the truth and put a stop to abuse of power by those in charge.

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  22. Paula says:

    YOU OVER LOOKED 2 BODIES…
    as the rear view picture of Twin Peaks you can see 2 bodies.. 1 believed to be Mathew Smith shot in trunk as records said he was behind the restaurant, if you look you can see him on the sidewalk, with a uniformed officer standing in the grass to the right near the red truck. AS believed Jesus Delgado Rodriguez is laying in the strip of grass that between the 2 parking lots.. he’s in the back area in front of what looks like a black Cadillac SUV with a uniformed officer standing to the right of his body..

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  23. As of the side picture the pole is the TP sign pole and that’s where Richard Vincent Kirchner aka bear went down from his shots. He was carried to a truck and taken to EMS he was taken to the hospital DOA. Same with Jacob Lee Rhyne’s aka rattlecan.
    Now if you zoom in on the side picture you will see a bike another bike laying over that is backed up to the sidewalk /TP patio under that bike is Daniel Raymond Boyett aka Diesel. The body to the right is Wayne Lee Campbell aka Sidetrack and the body to the right of him is Richard Matt Jordan aka chain or Richie. The body on the corner behind the sign pole is Jesus Delgado Rodriguez aka Mohawks. The body next to the blue bike laid over is Charles Wayne Russell aka Dog. The body in the drive to the far right is Manuel Issac Rodriguez aka Candyman.
    Using the rear picture zoom in and you will see Matthew Mark Smith aka Trainer laying on the sidewalk behind TP.
    Now using the front picture look at the building behind TP but in front of the Cavender’s see the orange truck back in, it took 1 of those shots you are pointing out with casings in the grassy embankment, also listed in PD report by Finch.
    Michael Duvall a vet who was there reported that PD was firing in from the rear parking lot of TP. There of the PD took position ‘ s on all 3 sides of that side of TP ….]
    Meaning that they was shooting at each other through the crowd, including from the DC parking lot, as how the white truck backed in had his drivers door window shot.
    Now of your picture that you put together from the cell phone footage sent to you from the guy inside DC.. zoom in and you will see 2 different things. 1 look between the red suv and the white Cadillac back in. You will see a camouflage uniform cop standing on the running board of the red suv. Then look over the Cadillac roof back behind TP, looks like a cop standing over a guy on his knees with a grey hoody sweatshirt with vest over it.
    As the Waco PD said very clearly that of the 44 casings recovered NONE WAS OF NON-LE. As 12 of those 44 casings was from the 3 officer’s with the rifles of the. 223 rounds. As 14 officer’s was placed on administrative leave as standard procedure after firing their weapons.
    All but 1 was shot on the same side of TP.. 2 was moved as the PD told them that they have to walk to get to EMS, Bear went down in the grass by the sign pole, Rattlecan went down on the sidewalk near Diesel they dragged him under the railing onto the patio.

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