Many people have requested that I outline some context on the Iran conflict; so, here it is.
What follows is my own researched perspective on the challenge that President Trump is facing. I anticipate the non-interventionists will not be happy with it, and also the Israel First crowd will not like the brutal pragmatism of it. Alas, having spent a great deal of time watching things unfold, here’s my take.
Start with this question: Considering all the years the debate over Iran’s nuclear ambitions has persisted, why haven’t its strongest allies, China and Russia, ever provided Iran with a nuclear weapon?
Now, before anyone jumps into the nuclear non-proliferation perspective, let me remind you we are not going to pretend things here. You can pretend that Beijing didn’t give the DPRK nuclear weapons by pretending that North Korea isn’t a proxy province of China. Or you can stop pretending. The choice is yours!
So, what’s different? Well, in the DPRK example, Beijing holds the control mechanism. For Iran, giving religious fanatics a nuclear weapon would be tantamount to giving the Muslim Brotherhood the ability to start World War III.
As recently noted, Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman urged President Trump not to back down from this moment of consequence and to eliminate the Iranian threat once and for all. MbS is about as close to a Middle East pragmatist as you can find. In response, a desperate British Prime Minister Keir Starmer rushed to Saudi Arabia hoping to change the position of MbS. Great Britain is almost out of fuel.
That’s a good place to start looking at the regional perspectives.
Islamic extremists, religious zealots, fanatics, cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons. Even those who are sympathetic to the Iranian regime, particularly Turkey and Qatar, are pragmatic about this issue.
Nuclear weapons must never fall into the hands of Hezbollah, Hamas, al-Qaeda, the Islamic State (ISIS), al-Nusra, and all of the extreme -perhaps most authentic- factions of Islam are included in that outlook.
While it is true that Israel has carried out a brutal, over-the-top, offensive against Hamas in Gaza, it is also true that Egypt – via President al-Sisi, spent two years destroying Hamas terror tunnels on the Egyptian-Gaza border and installed a five-layer security perimeter to keep the Islamist “Palestinians” out of the Sinai.
President Sisi (Egypt) and King Abdullah (Jordan) do not want to import Palestinian Hamas promoters, despite their very public opposition to the offensive methods of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
♦ The Muslim Brotherhood represents the political face of extremist (authentic) Islam. Turkish President Recep Erdogan is one of the zookeepers keeping the big cat cages under control, while simultaneously using the big cats to draw an audience.
Qatar is the banking side of The Muslim Brotherhood, feeding the big cats and providing them indulgences to keep them satiated. The intelligence services of Israel (Mossad) and the USA (CIA) are involved in this process.
When it comes to authentic Islam, you might say that essentially Mossad and the CIA are the physical cages, while Turkey (Recep Erdogan) and Qatar (Amir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani) are the zookeepers.
Turkey the gateway to Europe, is a NATO member not a NATO ally. Qatar has a foot in both the lawfully constrained western world and a foot in the religious fanaticism world. While the tightrope walking might seem difficult both Turkish President Recep Erdogan and Qatari Amir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani have navigated this dynamic as part of their own influence and affluence operation.
That said, none of the names involved thus far want the rabid faction of the big cats to get a nuclear weapon. President Donald Trump does not want the rabid cats to get a nuclear weapon. None of the voices in the Middle East, sans the fanatical Iranian religious faction, want Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
All of these various regional players have their own individual nuance to retain influence and power. However, on the issue of nuclear weapons they all agree – Iran must never have them, because Iran would represent the biggest threat in the entire world to using them. [Name a weapon that Iran has never used.]
None of Iran’s allies – not Pakistan, not Russia and not China – would ever fathom giving Iran a nuclear weapon, because the leadership of Iran is sketchy, unstable and, well, potentially batsh!t crazy enough to use it. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) are just as zero-sum minded as the Islamic clerics they protect.
This accurate and factual baseline of common interest is why you do not see any of the regional voices opposing President Trump’s effort to ensure that Iran NEVER HAS a nuclear weapon?
How strong is that sense of common interest?… Strong enough to accept Israel bombing Iran in support of that common interest. Turkey, aligned in sympathetic voice with the Muslim Brotherhood, hates Israel; but they hate Israel slightly less than they hate the thought of Iran having a nuclear weapon.
So, against the backdrop of Iran rejecting any deal that precludes them from having a nuclear weapon, where does that leave things?
It leaves the entire Middle East in a position to continue supporting President Trump’s effort to stop Iran from ever having a nuclear weapon. It really is that simple.
Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, The UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Jordan and yes, even Qatar, are willing to endure a considerable amount of economic pain and internal friction in order to get to the place where Iran stops their nuclear objective.
It’s the Iranian nuclear threat that’s the problem. It’s the Iranian nuclear threat that has always been the problem.
This time, President Donald J Trump is trying to deal with that threat once and for all.
Europe is going bananas because they need oil/gas. The U.K is going bananas because they need oil/gas. Asia is really in a bad place because they too need oil/gas. The energy problem goes all the way to Australia because they too need oil/gas.
The more a nation chased the net-zero carbon, climate change, global warming nonsense, the more they are exposed to the dire Straits of Hormuz. Japan can hold out a little longer with reserves and China can ultimately make do with Russian provision.
Which brings us to the point where President Trump is saying the U.S. will end up having to control the Strait of Hormuz, and we should look for an extension to the Russian sanction relief as a direct consequence of Iran rejecting the terms of JD Vance and the USA delegation.
Now, there are some who claim that Iran doesn’t want a nuclear weapon, and/or Iran has a fatwa against nuclear weapons. These voices are ridiculous. Think about the irrational logic of the claim: Iran is refusing to stop pursuing something they do not want.
♦ It can be argued that Israel is being opportunistic and leveraging the regional support for Trump toward their own interests and objectives. It is a fair criticism to say the Israeli government of Benjamin Netanyahu is too militaristic and aggressive. Israel’s continually aggressive posture makes it difficult to navigate the nuances of strong diplomacy.
In fact, both President Trump and Secretary of State Marco Rubio have stated the goals and objectives of the USA and Israel may not be aligned on all matters, and Turkish President Erdogan has been exceptionally critical of Israel’s continued military operation into Lebanon, presumably targeting Hezbollah.
However, there is no indication that Israel is directing President Trump on the issue of a denuclearized Iran.
On the issue of Iran never having nuclear weapons, it has been the stated policy of every U.S. administration for 40+ years, and on that issue the entire Middle East is in agreement.


Sundance. I wish I could have a dialogue with you. I think there is a basic misconception in your understanding of Israel and I would love to share my own experience.
Your attempt to explain what life in the Promised Land is like is poignant. I get it, I’ve been there and back. With a gasmask. Like Isaac Stern.
None of the experiences you describe can be understood on a cognitive level, conversations and explanations are a waste of time. Facts with receipts mean something to Sundance: they’re useful to those with an open mind.
Update his impression of el-Sisi with data on how his son, General Mahmoud al-Sisi, has controlled the Rafah crossing with hundreds of millions of dollars in smuggling that enabled Hamas to build its empire.
(For example,
https://www.meforum.org/mef-observer/washington-should-hold-egypt-accountable-for-its-hamas-double-game
Or, The history of Hamas’ lifeline: 20 years of broken Egyptian pledges along Philadelphi Corridorr
https://archive.ph/kggaI )
Too many others will just blow off your “lived experience”. They’ll counter with whatabouts, even if they have to invent bold-faced lies. Then they’ll appropriate your heartache, invert it as a weapon against you.
At best you’ll get thoughts and prayers.
But to too many it just comes off as whining.
They don’t care. You’re just another Israel Firster.
Israel is stuck in between the USA and Iran. That’s all.
My communication was to him. Thank you.
I have the data and I have the life experience. When you live it shapes how you think.
When you read about a terror attack and when you are a survivor of a major exposition it’s not the same. When you report of a peace treaty is not like a first hand experience of the joy in the streets of the people. When you talk about so and so reservists are called in, it’s not like having your father got to four wars and you can’t tell if he will be back and your neighbor and fiends have their son killed or one who was kidnapped to Gaza. When you understand what we experience you may understand that we are not some blood thirsty “over-militant Govenment”. I can communicate the psychic of the Israelis better than anyone who has not lived it. I want him to understand. Not sympathy and no victimhood. Just understanding of the spirit of the nation and its people.
David, I am a Christian who worships at a Messianic Temple. I know people who were and are there. One of them documented moving into the Negev. Home bomb shelters. The IDF soliers. She also shared photos and videos of music on the streets and the Shabbat sirens. I find it incredibly wonderful how the Israelis can find joy under constant threat of death. I prayed Psalms over the hostages until each one was returned. I pray shalom for His People and peace for Jerusalem. Adonai is with you.🙏
Thank you so much! ❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️
Psalm 143 fit, David. It is my privilege. I am the branch off of your vine.🙏
Thanks for continuing to be a voice. I’ve actually stopped coming here too much, cuz I felt uncomfortable and sorta unwanted.
My experience might be slightly different, as we’re living in Yerushalayim. We are a mile from where the missile fell in the Old City. I can tell you, our building shook and the windows rattled.
I offer support to bereaved moms. People who want to understand truly about Oct 7 should hear Rachel Goldberg Polin talk about her son Hersh. They should hear what condition he and the other five were in when they were found. Listen to the other hostages speak of the horrible abuse, beatings, and starvation they suffered. Look at the beyond human comprehension atrocities that happened in the South on Oct 7!!! The human brain can’t begin to comprehend what happened down there.
And yet, we shoot ourselves in the foot with roof knocks in Gaza, sending in aid that gets stolen by Hamas, etc. I wish the keyboard warriors would go to Gaza and see for themselves. See the people who voted for this and continue to support it. See the money going to Hamas rather than the people. See schools and hospitals used as launching pads for rockets rather than their intended uses. Hear about the “innocents” who beat the Bibas boys, who cheered when Oct 7 happened, and came to loot and plunder.
And yet, Israel is the best place in the world! I thank G-d EVERY SINGLE DAY for the merit of living in this holy land, in this holy holy city!
Why don’t you share your own experience with all of us, David?
David has shared his experiences on the open thread for quite some time now and those experiences are very enlightening. Check it out.
David has been at the Tree for a long time and I appreciate his postings…
❤️
Follow me at the Open Thread. Some have been with me for a few years and know what I mean. I focus on data but I add the personal.
When ever Israel is mentioned … everyone seems to “tip-toe” …
IMO Israel is the real 800lb Gorilla in the room!
Have a nice day!
Nukes or no nukes…
I’m glad they got their comeuppance…..
NO MERCY!
Retired USMC,
It is long overdue! How many of our men were blown up by Soleimani’s bombs?
Kobar Towers, USS Cole, and the Marine Barracks in Lebanon were each, individually,
acts of war that should have received a decapitating response.
I thoroughly agree with you.
“Start with this question: Considering all the years the debate over Iran’s nuclear ambitions has persisted, why haven’t its strongest allies, China and Russia, ever provided Iran with a nuclear weapon?”
Excellent question. Perhaps they understand something the pretenders in the west pretend not to know?
It looks like the question has a built in assumption ( that I ran does not have nuke, or dirty bomb )?
I do not know
It is wise that a naval blockade is not forming within the Persian gulf (potential trap )
and the
blockade is forming in the Arabian Sea, east of the hor muz bottleneck strait.
The boats, ships in the Arabian sea,
can have relatively unencumbered supply ships and relatively more freedom of navigation, etc.
Love thy neighbors…
And outlined very nicely by Sundance.
Yup.
From this description it would seem that we are at a stalemate.
I doubt that Trump has much appetite for stalemates. A two week ceasefire suggest a fortnight of shoring up positions, that’s all.
The present big question is: what is next?
There’s something that doesn’t add up. A lot of people, such as Netanyahu, have been saying that Iran has been close to a nuclear weapon for decades. There was that speech Netanyahu made in front of the UN about 15 years ago where he held up that cartoon bomb and said Iran was about 90% done with building a nuke or however much it was. Is it really that difficult to master 80 year old technology? It seems like if Iran wanted to build a nuke it would have done so by now.
Short of detonation, how would one know. Mock ups were once made by college students although lacking fissionable material. Iran (Persia) probably has the fissionable material. They have had the means for decades.
It seems to me that if we agree that Iran cannot get a nuclear weapon because the religious fanatical nature of their leaders, then the logical conclusion must be that this war effort cannot end with them in power. Otherwise they will just start up again building the program back. Regime change has to be the only measure of success whether or not it’s admitted publicly.
I agree, I am all for Iran regime change, this time it matters for sure. This is for world security, and is a part of America First and our security.
With over 10% of the world’s oil reserves why the hell would Iran want Nuclear power stations?
Exactly!
Who are the Israel-firsters? If one is a patriotic American who happens to be Jewish, you are not automatically an Israel-firster. I support my President. Even when Obama was President, I tried to dissociate the man from the office. I’ve never chosen Israel over my country. But I would like to see Israel survive.
If a group is dedicated to one’s destruction, your duty, not just an Israeli’s duty, every American’s duty is to protect one’s own and destroy that enemy before they can destroy us. I would not expect restraint in that effort.
Who are the Israel-firsters?
Israel is fighting for its very existence. Your criticism is absurd.