Ukraine is not a member of NATO. The United States is the leading force within NATO. Most recently President Trump has repeatedly said that he is brokering missile sales to NATO for transfer to, and use from, Ukraine against Russia.
To wit, President Donald Trump has authorized NATO member states to deploy offensive missile systems into non-NATO Ukraine, provided by the U.S. In the latest development, U.S. Special Envoy for Ukraine General Keith Kellogg has announced Ukraine has the authority to launch those missile systems deep into Russia, including Moscow.
According to General Kellogg, President Trump is authorizing NATO to strike Moscow with U.S. missiles, launched from Ukraine. How is Ukraine not a proxy war between NATO and Russia? WATCH (prompted):
This is escalating madness. We are reasonably intelligent and pragmatic people. We have the objective capability to look at the issues from both sides of the equation. Look at this issue from the perspective of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The U.S. provides the missiles. The U.S. approves the missile locations in Ukraine. The U.S. authorizes the targets of the missiles from their location. NATO provides the satellite guidance system. Ukraine targets Moscow and launches the missiles.
How is President Trump not directly responsible for a NATO proxy war against Russia?
The only way for President Trump to make the ‘accountability monkey’ jump now, is to exit NATO.
The reason why the EU member states of NATO want escalated war with Russia is financial and economic. Through policy and ideology, the EU/NATO members have walked themselves into an economic dead end. They are out of assets to leverage. The only way out for the EU/NATO leadership is to create a war to erase debt, expand assets and reset the economics.
I don’t like it.
Unfortunately, this is like the night out on the town, where one of your group’s hotter heads has responded to a rival group’s provocations. While you were in the restroom, someone has thrown a punch, and now the fight is on.
You come back to the bar, but fists are flying….which side do you take?
Can you calmly approach the leader of the opposing faction and use your words to stop the fight? Probably not.
Because of the election fraud of 2020, DJT was out of the room when this war started.
It’s too late now to stop it with words. Some punches have to be thrown.
I don’t buy it.
It is interesting times. I do believe @sundance you are looking at it from only ONE perspective—the WRONG one—the Russians.
Yes, we ALL know that Russia doesn’t want NATO on its border—that’s a legitimate concern for them that I agree with wholeheartedly from their perspective.
47 has given Putin, many chances at off ramps to this war. And what has Russia done EVERY SINGLE SINGLE TIME? Said yes, and then unleashed attacks into Ukrainian areas.
There are three options;
negotiate an end to the war—so far, Russia doesn’t want that,
one side FINISH the war, Ukraine has only been defensive and Russia seems to want it dragged out (maybe THEIR IC is calling the shots, like Sundance views our IC)
Ukraine BECOMES offensive, striking deep into Moscow, which could escalate the war.
So, from Russia’s perspective, do they want this to become an all out war? Right now it’s only been aggressive one way.
Does Russia want support from China, which isn’t a natural ally?
Is 47 signaling to Putin, you better either finish (by calling him a paper tiger) or negotiate an end to it otherwise there is only one option left?
Russia needs to look at it from the USA side. We’ve given you MANY opportunities already—your taken NONE. Just continued to fight—and to what end?
USA WANTS peace. You come to the table with SERIOUS peace discussions, it WILL happen. So who is REALLY calling the shots in RUSSIA? It surely ISN’T Putin.
Russia wasn’t provided ANY real options or concrete assurances by either America, the EU or Ukraine relative to the terms they are seeking for an end to this war. Little Z may not LIKE those terms, but they don’t have leverage. Z has always been a puppet of the globalists, the IC and the bankers. He plays his role, just as he did as a “comedian”.
I’m sorry, but this is incorrect/inaccurate by almost every measurable metric known.
No, he is not incorrect, he is completely correct. From the very beginning, Russia has made it clear that they will not accept Ukraine as a member of NATO. They also want the Nazis cleared out of Ukraine, and they want to make sure that the residents of eastern Ukraine are not attacked any more, as they were repeatedly prior to the invasion.
They have said these things repeatedly since the beginning of the war, and no one in the west has addressed these concerns, including President Trump. All the neocons and EU/NATO globalists ever want to talk about is Ukraine’s concerns, but not Russia’s. That being the case, they have no choice but to continue the war and address their concerns themselves.
President Trump seems to have understood all this back in the spring, when they were explaining to that little parasite that he had no cards to play. Since then, however, it appears that the President has been co-opted by the neocons that he AGAIN has let infect his administration.
Trump said 100 times ukr won’t be part of NATO, was going to secure the Donbas.
Eastern Ukrainians have been attacked because the Russian militia was literally attacking western ukr.
And there’s zero possibility of getting rid of another countries extremist elements. Ukr could say the same about Russian elements who don’t view Ukraine as a country
oh shoot, JFlaherty! Apparently you accidentally hit “Post Comment” before we could read your brilliant reasoning you offered ICTHEMATRIX
Please try again!
So show us some of those metrics.
That’s a complete lie. Trump was going to get Putin the Donbas. No nato for Ukraine and security guarantees Russia would have to approve of.
Ru did get it concrete? Obviously because they’ve refused to even meet for discussions where papers could be signed
When little Z and Europukes provide NO support to proposals, where is the opportunity to sign? No, it will require Ukraine getting bitch slapped horribly plus the EU embarrassed and shamed for all of them to agree to anything. Why? They keep hiding behind America and drawing us in via President Trump.
You think Trump would have the power to pressure them at the table with Russia?
This is a direct result of Putins unwillingness to have a face to face meeting with Zelensky and trump. Where Trump would have pressure him into accepting reasonable terms
Or Russia being threatened by the West and knowing the EU’s agenda is to break Russia up into 5 separate countries that they control and loot, decides to escalate this with nuclear weapons because the very existence of the Russian people is at stake.
Conveniently forgetting that that was the globalists’ same agenda for the US: breaking us up into 5 separate countries. Which Obama minion made the mistake of publicly stating that? Sunstein? Emanuel? I forget. Do I recall that it was once a policy paper published on the DSA website? At any rate, it was public for anyone to go read. So in that sense, the US and Russia are in good company with each other.
Yeah the eu say some crazy stuff that was never a possibility. Meanwhile Russia has actually taken and invaded post Soviet countries and said the same thing about parts of Poland and the Baltics
Sundance is SPOT ON! Russia wanted peace before the war with Ukraine but peace isn’t what NATO wants. Zelensky is a NATO puppet doing what NATO tells him to do. What do you think NATO is telling him? Make a peace deal with Russia before they take your entire country or get us into a war with Russia so we can make more money?
How can you say the aggression has only been “one way” when Ukraine keeps sending drones to Russia, no doubt with NATO targeting help?
China not a “natural ally”? Both are communist countries and natural allies. Here’s a headline from the South China Morning Post :
“Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping agree to expand Russia-China military coordination”
That headline is about a year and a half old.
I think Sundance sees a GREAT DANGER that this could EASILY spread into a gigantic war with millions dying. I don’t think he is wrong.
The US has not provided Russia with a legitimate out. The west has broken multiple agreements with Russia in past in regards to this war. Ukraine/nato is not negotiating in good faith. How can Russia make a deal with Ukraine/nato when they don’t trust Ukraine/nato? An escalation in the conflict into Russia is a mistake. Russia does appear to be a paper tiger. How can Russian not control at least half of Ukraine at this point? Ukraine forces are still holding?! It is bleeding Ukraine dry though. A whole generation of Ukraine males will be gone.
What are you talking about?! The Donbas, no NATO, Econ integration, he couldn’t have given Russia more of an out
Our President tried to broker peace. Putin kept on. It does not seem as if he wants peace.
He has taken the “Safeties Off”.
Its gonna come back on us.
Not logical.
Generals meeting to maybe be told martial law matters?
If we get nuked by Russia martial law won’t matter.
Rubber room time.
…And what was Z doing all this time? Playing piano with his crack?
What you fail to acknowledge is this…
It doesn’t matter what off-ramps are provided or what agreements PDJT & The Russian Federation come to in good faith. At best it would be a 3 year agreement allowing NATO & the EU to regroup/rearm Ukraine with US weapons.
The US Gubmint has broken every agreement they’ve ever made & this one would not be any different. Putin knows this. I know this. You do not.
I’m not saying my mind can’t be changed but right now I am agreeing with this analysis. As far as Ukraine and Russia is concerned, Russia has been the aggressor in my opinion. I’m not saying they didn’t have some good reasons but Putin had the chance to come out of it with gains to justify this war but it seems now that he doesn’t want to quit. He wants to keep pushing until he is stopped by force. The only force that can stop him is NATO. I am basing this assessment on Putin’s behavior. His actions indicate to me that he intends to continue on taking more territory until he is stopped. Maybe he sees the US populace resistance to going to war as his opportunity. I don’t know. But his alignment with China tells me he has picked a side. I’m not saying he doesn’t have good reasons for not choosing the US. But choosing China is crazy. China is way more dangerous to his country than the US.
It seems pretty clear that Russia considers Luhansk, Donetsk, and Crimea to be irrevocable parts of Russia. Z, NATO, and I guess Trump don’t accept that. So I see no basis for a negotiated end of the war.
Trump was giving them all of it stop the bs. All of the Donbas Crimea was never on the table. He was never going to allow ukr in NATO, he was going to lift sanctions
This is on Putin that’s genuinely the only sane way to look at it
NATO can’t stop squat. EU/NATO is broke. The US is the only thing keeping NATO afloat.
China dangerous to Russia? LOL! Two peas in a pod. Don’t believe me? Here’s an excerpt from an AP article from just this month:
Putin addressed Xi as “dear friend” and said that Moscow’s ties with Beijing are “at an unprecedentedly high level.”
In a sign of the importance China places on the relationship, their formal meeting was followed by tea with top aides at Zhongnanhai, the walled complex that is the center of power in China with residences and offices for its top leaders.
China allying with Russia is dangerous to EU/NATO and they know it.
BTW, here’s another headline:
“Military Exercises with the China’s People’s Liberation Army”
What army did they exercise with? Canada’s.
How’s that working out? See any danger?
China and Russia are friends now but that won’t last. As soon as America is no longer a threat they will turn on each other and China will win of course.
Of course I see the danger. China has infiltrated Canada. Canada needs to wake up, see what is happening and stand as a true ally of the United States against China. Been saying that for awhile.
The truth is I was saying it long before Trump came along. For many years I’ve seen Communist China as the main threat to the US and the free world. For many years now they have been engaged in a systematic economic war with the US with the intention of becoming the world’s number one economic and military power. They never even tried to hide it but stated it openly. The US was complicit in all of this. Nothing was done to stop it until Trump came.
China dreams of Russian oil and has the means to take it.
No…maybe they’ll pickup the tab for your defense for a while eh?
“Russia needs to look at it from the USA side.”
Why? Why is this any of our business?
I don’t understand this mentality at all.
Why is a centuries-old border and ethnic conflict, thousand of miles away, between two former Soviet republics any our concern?
Why are we even involved in any of this?
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Why? Let’s start with money, money, money then throw in lots of greed which all stems from the Military Industrial Complex, then NATO. Throw in some corruption for profit via Bite Me and Cocaine Hunter followed by numerous Congress critters getting their laundered money.
Now you’ve got an illegitimate puppet president Z of Ukraine who has destroyed his country for his own profit and he doesn’t give a crap and the EU weenies trying their best to steal Moldova’s election so they can provoke another battle front against Russia.
Good explanation. However, we all thought Trump was smarter than this.
And to think that all of this could have been avoided if Trump had dissolved the CIA and fired Victoria Nuland and her associates which he should have done as soon as he entered office.
And we buried him next to……?
Because Z. was blackmailing Joe.
If I am reading your position correctly, allow me to add some context missing it:
I will attempt (likely unsuccessfully) to waft through the mushroom cloud of gaslighting blinding your sensibilities and provide some context you clearly do not have:
Your perspective essentially translates to this to the reasonable mind:
“I know we started color revolutions in Ukraine, overthrew its duly elected President, assisted in the ethnic cleansing of Russians living in Eastern Ukraine, color-revolutions in Georgia twice, Chechnya, Armenia, Moldova, etc…”
“….but you have to give up …..or else!!!”
” I know we have been harassing you for decades now but YOU (Russia) must accept US as the “adult in the room”.
Your and the neocon-war-monger premise is idiotic.
Be better educated and you post more intelligent responses.
You’re the one who sounds idiotic and incapable of nuance. I’ll cut through your inability to speak beyond talking points.
There was no ethnic cleanse in Easter Ukraine. There was a civil war that Russia initiated after the coup of a neighboring country they also had no business getting involved with. It wasn’t against Russians
It was against separatists essentially how California would react if San Diego decided to violently separate from California
There was no crack down of the Russian language they banned it from becoming an official language
Just a minute.
Didn’t Texas “violently separate” and declare its independence from Mexico? We not only aided them, we annexed the new republic and made it part of the United States.
The people of the eastern provinces of Ukraine were disenfranchised by the 2014 coup. Shouldn’t they also have the right to declare independence and decide their own fates?
100%!!
Outstanding, accurate take!
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If I am using talking points there must be a source of “talking points” which you know. Care to share it?
Meanwhile, begin your education here:
Amen!
Wow, just wow. That hurt my brain just reading that. We, the United States of America staged a coup in 2014 and had the new puppet government start bombing the Russian speaking people of ukraine. I would say that was the start of the aggression, not some other bullshit moment in history, that moment fomented by or corrupt congress for the MIC. FULL STOP.
Or Russia nukes the US with Chinese assistance and we all die. Europe instantly submits to Russia, and me and my family are dead and everyone I ever met is dead. Winning!
This insane game must end. Bluffing is suicidal.
Whatever the hell it is, I don’t want any pat of it….’NOT what I voted for. PIZZ on the ukrainian cesspool.
Russia wants to nuke the US. They have been planning for it for almost 100 years. I think this is a dangerous trap where Trump is getting baited into striking Moscow and giving them a pretext to nuke America.
I agree the solution to end the war in Ukraine is simply for PT to exit NATO at this point. He tried common sense & diplomacy but the DS which runs the EU just wants war knowing it will force PT as a NATO member to join in.
so what do you do? You do the opposite of what the DS is trying to force.
Does anybody really think the EU or what is left of NATO after a possible US exit will fight an all out war with Russia?
Russia has 5000 nukes, NATO has around 100 Nukes stationed in a few NATO countries.
Also if the US exits NATO and war does break out between the EU and Russia, the US has no obligation to join the fight.
Without the US it would be like a high school kid fighting Mike Tyson in his prime.
The war ends with this simple move IMO.
Can Trump exit NATO? Does he have the authority and would our deepstate let him?
Congress under the last administration passed a law saying congress has to approve leaving NATO. It likely wouldn’t hold up in court against Article II, but that would need to go to the Supreme Court.
Trump can say he’s leaving NATO in 1 year (the treaty requires a one year notice), and in the meantime the “defensive support” he would give NATO would only be verbal.
Sounds like a path to instant impeachment. Like the late Rush, I live in “Realville”.
Hey Bogeyfree, you being a golfing man I thought President Trump was going to present the Ryder Cup to the winning Captain.
What happened?
NATO has no nukes. The US/UK/France have the nukes under their sovereign control.
The US has 100-150 of its tactical nukes (bombs) forward located with 4 or 5 EU air forces with all codes under its control. This is the same as the Ukraine’s nukes back in the USSR, they were located in Ukraine but were owned along with codes by Russia.
I thought there are nukes at NATO Incirlik Airbase in Turkey. Any one remember about 10 years ago when Erdogan cut power to it and surrounded the base, (w/o NATO permission ) when he thought a political rival had been brought into Turkey to run against him, & suspected he was at Incirlik?
You are assuming that Putin will end the war if NATO backs off. I’m not so sure that he will. And if he doesn’t end the war what then?
Yes. Why ought the United States to defend the cradle of globalism?
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i do not, for the record, believe one bit of what GKK is trying to intimate.
we’ll see.
F@#k…this is bad. PDJT please don’t get us even more sucked into this quagmire. America First.
It’s the end of the world as we know it, but I don’t feel fine.
🎶 it’s the end of the world as we know it 🎶
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can’t bear to watch the evening news
who believes those are their real views?
vaccine – what a scam, J sixers in a jam
biden don’t know what to do
autopen in charge of you
Trump turned his head just right
Good Lord said you stay and fight
gangbangers want your ride
nowhere to run and hide
illegal killed your daughter
state by state it’s unchecked slaughter
Charlie Kirk assassinated
perpetrator full of hatred
speak your mind or disagree
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9/11 memories fading
changed their tactics to invading
doctor says it’s hypertension
years to go until my pension
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pelosi really likes her gin
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DEI, insane trannies, public transport, arresting grannies;
windmills kill birds, drones and spies fill up the skies,
paid anarchists, ICE is trying, Karens can’t stop insane lying
it’s the end of the world as we know it
it’s the end of the world as we know it
it’s the end of the world as we know it
so why feel fine?
Thank you for the ear worm.🙂
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You have penned the
“Post ‘vid-19 Anthem.”
Ukraine is a aovereign nation – any reasonable individual would think, in my humble opinion, that if Russia can rain missiles down on Kiev, then Ukraine has every right to attack the Russian capital – and restraining them from doing so in the past was the folly.
Perhaps, with Moscow at risk, their refineries being destroyed, heavy sanctions imposed, we can begin to move toward a negotiated peace……
There’s a very good chance that either Biden, or the EU have already loaned Ukraine some nukes.
Putin is awfully cocksure given how obvious that possibility is. Perhaps he’s got some new anti-missile system he’s very confident in.
No State loans a nuke, it’s an open invitation to be nuked.
The difference being Ukraine started the war and Russia supplies its own weapons. When the US and UK supply weapons and troops to help use those weapons they are actively engaging in a war against Russia and become legitimate targets for Russia.
If Russia fears for its survival, they will go scorched earth. They are Slavs with a brutal history of survival. They aren’t weak westerners who hold up signs welcoming men to enter their country and kill and rape their people like Canada, the UK, France, Spain, Australia, the Netherlands, the US, etc.
Ukr didn’t start the war they poked at Russia but they didn’t start it. Russia is also getting weapons from NK and Iran. Troops fromNK and Africa.
They poked…the bear bit back, am I understanding you correctly?
They spent over a decade bombing Russian speaking Ukrainians and killing over 10,000 while the world looked on and the US applauded. Then they placed weapons on Russia’s border and threatened to join NATO and have nukes violating agreements.
A people that have lost 30 million people in WWII are not going to allow a bunch of Russian-hating Ukies in bed with the UK/US neocons to line up on their borders.
We are currently threatening to invade Venezuela over drugs and they aren’t even on our border. The US needs to mind its own business as they are total hypocrites with no business in a Slavic war.
Right. Ukraine started the war by being invaded by Russia.
Would anyone accept biolabs scattered close to their border? Would it be acceptable to call for a referendum to rejoin Russia by the ethnic Russian speaking population of Donbas and not honor the results.?
Those are just two reasons why Russia invaded.
Victoria Nuland, Deep State Department spokesperson admitted the biolabs were US supported. Would we accept Russian funded biolabs on our border?
They spent over a decade bombing Russian speaking Ukrainians and killing over 10,000 while the world looked on and the US applauded. Then they placed weapons on Russia’s border and threatened to join NATO and have nukes violating agreements.
I have no doubt Russia would defend their country to the death. But Russia is not being invaded. Europe is being invaded by Russia. The US in general does not try to annex other countries. They stay in their borders. Instead they look for allies. The US is no threat to Russia unless Russia becomes a threat to the US. Right now Russia is acting like a threat to the US. Mainly by aligning with China in my opinion. All the superpowers want to destroy America. They want to be number one and exert control over everyone else. America is different. They are not perfect but they are the best option for freedom in the world.
US no threat to Russia? Is the US sending war equipment to the EU which are sending it to Ukraine? Is that equipment being used to strike targets INSIDE Russia? Did you read this article? If so, how can you say the US is “no threat” to Russia?
Didn’t the US send BILLIONS of dollars worth of war equipment to Ukraine during the Biden administration? How has that changed except instead of sending it directly to Ukraine, we now use EU/NATO as the middle man?
Tell me exactly why Russia SHOULDN’T defend their country to the death?
Why shouldn’t they defend their country against people who attack their country or countries who supply arms that destroy Russian infrastructure and kill their people?
Why should Russia watch NATO incorporate country after country closer to their borders and do nothing knowing NATO wants to attack and destroy it as they have several other counties over the years?
The US funds and instigates color revolutions worldwide see Ukraine, Syria, Yugoslavia, much of Latin America, etc. The US invades all the time see Afghanistan, Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Vietnam, Korea, etc.
When did Iraq invade us? Or Vietnam? The US routinely threatens the whole world to maintain the petro dollar and other nefarious purposes. We overthrow leaders left and right ad don’t give a crap how many civilians are killed or put into slavery – see the Middle East and North Africa and Ukraine.
You seem to be a voice in the wilderness there Lulu. I’m with you. Russia didn’t start this.
The One World reset demands that the USA *and* Russia take the knee. Apparently, Russia is the only one left standing at this point. I don’t know who is running the USA right now but if WWIII breaks out it certainly isn’t President Trump!
Russia will respond by destroying Kiev and every major infrastructure within Ukraine. They will also strike any staging areas for munitions they deem an immediate threat.
This game is both dangerous and stupid. If this report is true, President Trump is making a fools bargain. Sundance is RIGHT; no matter the “terms” of the “transaction”, the U.S. supplying major missile systems for offensive attacks deep inside Russia (with satellite guidance from our military) IS the equivalent of a direct attack by our nation.
It was a grave concern to me when Trump was willing to be drawn into the chats with EU and NATO leaders, then lavishly praised by the King during his visit to his “favorite” country. Trump’s biggest weakness is his ego. It was bruised by the lack of success speaking directly with Putin, and subsequently pumped up by the euroturds and their allied slaves here at home. They KNEW the lack of immediate acceptance by Putin would piss him off, and they PLAYED that for all it’s worth.
Satan is the great deceiver. President Trump is not infallible, and sadly he’s being deceived toward a deadly outcome.
I don’t think President Trump is about ego, or that he gives a darn about Royal British carriages etc.
But I DO think that what is happening is dreadful, very literally causing dread, and it doesn’t add up based on anything normal people would calculate. There is no amount of money to make this situation “right”. What are the “leaders” trying to do? Kill us all? Post-Covid, anything is possible
I agree with your premise. PDJT would be acting like a Bully who thinks he is Emperor of the World.
Ukraine can do whatever they want to with their own weapons, money & manpower.
Oh wait…
Jack Craine: “Perhaps, with Moscow at risk, their refineries being destroyed, heavy sanctions imposed, we can begin to move toward a negotiated peace.”
Forgive me for being so blunt, but this is delusional thinking at its finest.
Russia has placed itself in a position where it cannot afford to lose this war. Too much is at stake for the Russian Federation’s long-term future as a unified nation for the Russians to give up on the invasion they started in February 2022.
Why does Putin have the back of the great majority of the Russian populace? Because the Russian people know that the long-term survival of the Russian motherland is now what’s at stake here. If it wasn’t that way in February of 2022, it’s certainly that way now.
Russia’s current leadership cannot step back from its current demands without being quickly replaced by another regime which has no qualms about doing whatever has to be done to achieve Russia’s goals.
What’s more likely to happen if NATO further escalates its side of the war is that Russia will go to full military mobilization and will then begin a campaign of unrestricted warfare against Ukraine’s own civilian population and infrastructure.
Once Russia is on full military mobilization and has enough forces available for more aggressive action, there would be strong incentive to abandon their attrition warfare strategy and to end the war quickly by adopting an aggressive blitzkrieg style of maneuver warfare.
Even at the risk of a sharp increase in casualties, Russia would quickly take all of eastern Ukraine to the Dnieper River, and possibly even beyond including Odessa and all of Ukraine’s Black Sea coastline, leaving a Ukraine rump state in its wake. Or no Ukraine state at all.
Russia would then be in a stronger military position relative to its neighbors than it has been for the last thirty-five years. With a huge Russian military presence on its own territory, Belarus might decide that the safest course of action is to formally join the Russian Federation.
The fact is that the Russians don’t need Europe and the west. They can get by nicely without us. On the larger global stage, Russia would have great incentive to abandon any and all economic ties with Europe and with the US, and to further strengthen its economic ties with China and with the BRICs nations. Thus giving the BRICs nations the impetus they need to compete successfully with the US in a new world economic order.
“Perhaps, with Moscow at risk, their refineries being destroyed, heavy sanctions imposed, we can begin to move toward a negotiated peace.”
Ask Napoleon and Hitler (the real one) how that works.
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Everything you are saying here does make sense. If it’s true that Russia has placed itself in the position where it cannot lose this war then it makes no difference whether NATO yields to Russian demands or fights against them. Yielding will not stop Russia from carrying out its plans. Yielding also makes them have no consequences for carrying out their agenda. It makes it easier for them to do it and gives them more power. They have made it clear to me that they align with China against the US and the free world. This tells me they are a real threat to US and to the free world. What Russia does not seem to have considered is that if they join hands with China, China will eventually subjugate them. That is what communist China has consistently demonstrated to the world. They want complete power and complete control. They have done this to their own people and it wasn’t enough for them. Now they feel they must do it to the rest of the world.
What free world? Are people free in the UK? Are you actually free in Canada? What is China’s influence in Canada, Australia, the US?
Russia is in an existential war as the globalists and the greater “West” wants to destroy their sovereignty, their culture, and frankly their race. They want Russia’s vast wealth/resources and no pesky Russians around because strong, white, Christian cultures must be eradicated at all costs.
I’m sorry but tell me where Russia has been attacked? Who has invaded their territory?
As for the free world, I get your point and concede that argument to a point. But the UK and Canada citizens are still much more free than Chinese citizens. At least for now. There is hope they can still turn things around.
China has influence in Canada all the way up to the political class. Chinese organized crime, controlled by the CCP uses Canada for drug production and distribution to other countries. They also use it for money laundering. They extort Chinese Canadians and try to influence voting to candidates that are pro China. They have taken over the marijuana trade. If you want to learn more about this read Sam Cooper’s reporting at thebureau.net.
Well, that raises the question of what it means to be a “sovereign nation”. Because the UN says so? Because Wilson’s 14 points enunciated a right to ethnic sovereignty? The whole of Eastern Europe and the Balkans has been part of the European empire balance of power since the Congress of Vienna, and since WWI and WWII broke up that system has been in turmoil. Neither the League of Nations, UN, nor New World Rules-Based Order has been able to deal with it.
If NATO attacks Moscow than the US and all other NATO countries are a legitimate target. Some people definitely want WWIII.
Europe thinks they can have a war to cover-up their inability to keep up with their pensions and other promised social benefits.
They also think the US will rescue them with troops, etc. And worse yet that Russia, who has superior nuclear capabilities and a desire to survive, will not use those nuclear capabilities when faced with an existential threat.
Russia lost almost 30 million people in WWII think they won’t and wouldn’t be justified using nuclear weapons if attacked by NATO?
We should get out of NATO. There is no reason for NATO anymore. And the Europeans have been butchering each other for centuries. We left Europe for something better and we keep getting roped back in. Let them defend themselves.
The problem with this idea is that it leaves America all by itself. No allies. No one to trade with. The bad hats continue to take more ground and gain more power until eventually they are able to subjugate America.
No one wants another world war. But if the choice is between war or losing my freedom, I choose war. Even if it means dying from a nuclear bomb. Living under China’s idea of how the world should be would be far worse than death.
I’d look into your government’s ties to China and are you really free?
I have looked into them and agree that Canada is on the edge of a cliff. But we’re not quite gone yet. There is still hope. If what you seem to be asserting is true then America is ultimately gone too. Is America going to defeat Russia and China alone with no help from any other country? I don’t think so. Especially if the China/Russian axis starts annexing other countries and stealing their resources. I agree that the western world has been poor allies. Trump is forcing them to get with the program. That is a good thing. The only thing that saved the US from what is happening right now in all the NATO countries is Trump coming along and opposing it. The US was just as much going off a cliff as everyone else is. Not one politician or party were putting up any kind of an effective fight until Trump came.
China is using and has used the same tactics successfully against the USA that they have been using against all the other countries. Look at how much technology, business, wealth and trade China has successfully stolen from the US over the last 30 years. With little or nothing being done to stop it until Trump came along. Now that stolen wealth and technology will be used against the US. But it’s not too late. The tide has turned. America is waking up and fighting back. I believe the western world will do the same.
We all are appalled at the influx of migrants into Europe and see Europe being destroyed by it. But exactly the same thing has happened to the US. Millions of people have come into the US through Biden’s open borders. Trudeau brought in way too many to Canada when he was in power. It looks like Carney will continue Trudeau’s legacy. As if that wasn’t bad enough you have a portion of your own citizens and politicians who are actively and violently opposing any effort to remove them. America under Trump is slowly turning things around but it hasn’t been easy. Other countries could follow their lead and do the same.
So how long before President Putin authorizes strikes against DC
I sense that much of the kinetic activism (e.g. ‘home-grown terrorists’) that we see on US streets today is a legacy of Soviet Active Measures. Maybe it’s not that hard for Putin to turn it all back on…?
Trump has already been a bit cheeky about all of this Ukraine stuff. He talks about ending the war and not involving the USA, but we are up to our ears in this. He could stop sending weapons over there, but he hasn’t. Please don’t give me this nonsense about how he’s sending them to NATO so they can do what they want with them. Who’s he crappin’ with a stupid line like that? He’s sending weapons to Ukraine.
He could stop the US Intelligence sharing that is really the backbone of all things Ukraine, but he hasn’t. Maybe he knows he has no control over the USIC and his ego won’t allow him to publicly admit that?
I don’t think he’ll send any forces over there to engage, but who knows? If he does that, his midterms will blow-up in his face and his last two years will be executive orders and impeachment. Trump has some iffy people in his inner circle and we saw how that worked out in Trump I.
A good summary Always been a MAGA person but lately it seems President Trump is a little loose regarding swings.
How true.
Patel and Bondi are 2 of the buffoons in leadership roles that seem contrary to his view points and talking points.
I’ve been DONE with Ukr/Zelinksy ever since the war began. Not saying Putin is innocent but we haven’t SENT $millions/$billiions there WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED. (PURPOSELY NO STRINGS ATTACHED).
THIS THIS AND THIS! Expertly stated and put.
Trump’s real options are to NOT provide major missiles and military intelligence/guidance assistance to Ukraine! Without that they will be forced to rely on the EU…and wait. THIS WAS HAPPENING MONTHS AGO! Remember how the EU was scrambling to approve sending money and support? Few could find it in their national pocket change. Germany made the biggest commitment and it was pathetic. THIS was when Trump should have forced little Z to heel, get to the negotiation table, and accept territorial concessions. But, the NATO and Europukes went on a full blown charm offensive with Trump, appealing to his ego even as Putin’s caution pissed Trump off. Hence, he flipped, and now thinks he can bully this into a negotiated settlement.
Mattis
McMaster
Kellogg
All have shown who their allegiance is to
Senate Republicans need to be added to the list.
Mattis, McMaster and others inside the Executive Branch have been on-board since 2016.
I always had mixed feelings about Kellogg since he was hired by President Trump … considering that he may be a “friendly” face that was needed to sit in the “enemy war camp”, while the President navigated the peace process through a stormy sea.
Kellogg “went native” from the start and for what ever reason President Trump is seated among those beating the war drums …. thus the President’s “stop the killing demand” are now nothing more than hollow words.
Sure Putin is no saint and his Russia is an ADVERSARY of the US … but the Russians have been offered nothing but lies and their own destruction as alternatives to war … even if the Russians would have attacked anyway .. the actions of the US and EU v/v Russia since 2014 gives the US and EU ZERO moral reason to act. The entire character of the conflict would be vastly different if the US and EU had not blatantly acted as well as continue to act with the destruction of Russia as their obvious goal.
Also need to add US NATO representative Whittaker to the list … another of President Trump’s picks who has gone EU native.
He was always a snake, IMO.
The US does not have to exit the NATO Organization and Treaty.
The political repercussions will be too severe here in the US, with impeachment 3.0 and very real possibility of a conviction.
As commander and chief, the President is the ultimate authority determining size and composition of “the deployed military force” in the EU.
The President is responsible for setting and executing foreign policy, which includes defining US responses per the NATO Charter.
Without terminating US NATO membership or obligations …
the President can redeploy US Military assets back to the US,
the President can redeploy US assets out of range of the Ukraine Conflict,
the President can bring back to the US NOW the assets deployed by Auto-Pen in 2022,
the President can withdraw from further NATO exercises and …
the President can clearly state the Ukraine IS NOT a conflict subject to the provisions of the NATO Treaty.
the President can disavow ALL CIA assets in the Ukraine and remove ALL the DoD assets in the Ukraine.
the President can STOP using the term NATO … and refer to the war as an EU Conflict.
ALL of these options and more are available and within the President’s authority to clearly demonstrate that the US is NOT interested in war and that the EU is on its own, while NOT violating the NATO Treaty.
To date he has refused to use his authority to do any of the above and is NOW doing just the opposite, signalling the US is going all in and WILL go to war.
President Trump now owns this conflict.
Genghis Khan had an operational method that he employed when faced by a dangerous opponent. Especially if that opponent could badly damage his forces or upset the timetable for his current conquest strategy. I believe Sun Tzu had a similar tenant regarding warfare and strategy.
“Always leave a clear avenue of retreat for a dangerous and cornered enemy”.
Cornered enemies are always the most unpredictable and dangerous.
Thank you for that really excellent response.
It is likely that if the President did any one or at worst two of that list it would bring the European NATO powers to their senses as they would take it as a notification of serious intent that they could be on their own.
If a NATO power enabled Ukraine to strike deep into Russia with a meaningful weapon then Russia has already stated that that would be an act of war, beyond the terms of the SMO, that would generate a response. A response that would not trigger Article 5 as it was not Russia that attacked first.
This is very well known in European capitals, they know the risk but probably believe that Russia will chicken out which would be a very serious misreading of Russia’ position.
All of the above, especially this one: “…Ukraine IS NOT a conflict subject to the provisions of the NATO Treaty.”
Hard to believe Trump wants to take us here…but here we are.
So the US provides the bombs, the US and British spies operate them ( Youktrane does not have the capability) they fire them at Moscow.
Tell me how is this not a declaration of war by the US against Russia.
If the Russians launch a nuclear missile at Washington DC from a submarine off the US coast is that not justified?
All’s fair in love and war – right?
You have no evidence that Ukraine doesn’t have the capacity to oper Them other than Russia says so
Military veterans both on CTH and some I personally know, who have served in this capacity, have confirmed Ukraine cannot operate selected missile systems without satellite and intelligence guidance only provided by the U.S.
So your friends are discussing classified capabilities information with you?
So why are there hundreds (maybe even thousands) of Brits Americans and other warmongers in Ukraine egging on this NWO/American war?
Come on man , without war the military arms industry would be no more.
They don’t have the hardware – satellite info.
things seem to have changed since the BBB passage – especially on the UKR/RUS/NATO front. Deal cut with RINOs? Call it a hunch, that’s all.
How does this make any sense??? Just stop shooting at each other. We’re OUT on an escalation to WWIII!.
This article won’t put your mind at ease either.Trump needs a speech NOW to let us know whats going on.https://patriot.tv/is-it-just-a-coincidence-that-comet-3i-atlas-is-storming-through-our-solar-system-just-as-world-war-iii-is-ramping-up/
If this is true, it is the dumbest, and most dangerous, move Trump could make. He would be putting the noose of the Ukraine/Russia conflict squarely around the neck of the USA.
This is the danger of having warmongering idiots advising you. You make very bad decisions that doom not only your presidency, but the very lives of millions worldwide.
I’m trying hard to understand why my tax dollars and the security of my home should be jeopardized for something going on in Ukraine. I get it that Russia are the bad guys and we should slap them when they act badly, however, the bottomline is that I don’t every want to send my sons to war unless we are directly threatened…and I don’t feel threatened right now.
Are they the bad guys? Ukraine is the country you go to to launder money, traffic humans, traffic organs, etc.
Ukraine has been bombing their own citizens for over 10 years killing thousands.
Ukraine is run by someone installed by the West when they removed the duly elected president because he wasn’t willing to attack Russia.
Ukraine is conscripting old men and children to be helpless white Christian cannon fodder while the installed Jewish president makes billions and buys property in FL, etc.
HAS to be – and big mistake if it isn’t – the way to bring Russia to the peace table.
Even if it is, it’s high risk; and it doesn’t “stop the killing”.
“Authorizes” is one thing, use of is a completely different story.
I’d have to think long and hard to get my head around this.
All you want to do is stop the killing, right? So you accomplish that by killing more Russian civilians and provoking a nuclear holocaust that could kill millions more including your own population. Makes sense to me.
trump said that putin lied to him a lot……thats uncool, but i don’t like the idea of war…..yikes!
Whether in NATO or not, the US will defend EU; WWI WWII. Giving the green light to UKR & NATO is last minute hope Putin comes to the table.
“The U.S. provides the missiles. The U.S. approves the missile locations in Ukraine. The U.S. authorizes the targets of the missiles from their location. NATO provides the satellite guidance system. Ukraine targets Moscow and launches the missiles.”
And the best means of avoiding all of it, one which Putin is free to pursue unilaterally any time he wants, is to abandon his invasion and leave Ukraine. He’s already been offered the Donbas, but his response was an escalation of bombings of Ukraine. That told 47 all he needed to know about Putin. Lying little crap weasel.
“EU/NATO members have walked themselves into an economic dead end. They are out of assets to leverage. The only way out for the EU/NATO leadership is to create a war to erase debt, expand assets and reset the economics.”
Putin must surely be aware of this as well. But what is his response? Recalcitrance and escalation of attacks against Ukraine. That he does not take advantage of the weakness of the EU/NATO position to work a deal that gives him the Donbas says it all . He wants ALL of Ukraine, to reverse “the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the Twentieth Century.”
Every argument presented in this piece works ONLY IF one ignores and is willfully blind to Putin’s actions and the intentions those actions betray. So now, we are expected to abandon 47 as well in blind pursuit of Putin loyalty? And this from the most ardent defender and promoter of all things Trump? Sorry. Not buying it.
We are already hearing about the Russians living in Moldova, teeing up the excuse for Putin’s next invasion.
Sometimes in business one encounters someone so morally bankrupt, so untrustworthy, that any deal done with them is not worth the paper it is printed on. Meet Mr. Putin.
And the anti-American excuses begin in 3 … 2 …
Trump was giving Putin the Donbas and no nato. That is the key point nobody wants to talk about
Trump has nothing to give. Its not his war.
believe the drone attacks on Russia’s nuclear-capable bomber fleet was the catalyst for Putin to give the proverbial middle finger to the West. That was a foolish escalation by Ukraine/NATO/CIA. Look at the timing. We were in active negotiations to wind this thing down, then that happened. Russia got burned and it won’t happen again. PDJT should have called that move out forcefully – that he did not is probably because we (IC) were largely responsible or POTUS got bad information.
Excuse number one …
….’Sometimes in business one encounters someone so morally bankrupt, so untrustworthy, that any deal done with them is not worth the paper it is printed on. Meet Mr. Putin….’
As opposed to what? Z the piano playing putz?
Well the EU controls the votes in Moldova much like they have in Ukraine and tried in Belarus. Then there’s the fake Romanian elections. Or the AFD having 8 candidates die before elections, or jailing Marie Le Pen.
You’re on a roll Lulu. All valid points. I’m glad that someone is paying attention to the high stakes gameplay by these warmongering globalists bent on their One World reset.
I’m waiting to hear from General Corn Pop.
Is the panic over yet?
I don’t mean any kind of national panic as I don’t think there was one of those. I mean the very local panic here.
Concern Trolls are in control here today it seems Mr. Wolf.
If true monumental blunder.
I’m most fearful that if we do get into a direct war with Russia that that will boomerang back on the United States domestically. If Vietnam split the country this will be exponentially worse – And, I think the US government underestimates the ‘resolve’ of middle America to enter a war on behalf of the EU to fight Russia, perhaps China and who knows who.
Their will be a Gulf of Tonkein type incident, everyone will get all flag-waving, body bags start coming back en masse, all hell breaks loose domestically – 1/2 or more of MAGA + the true Bernie bros (plus more) will sit it out. Inner cities will erupt over a draft. The mass illegals won’t go for it. The resolve is NOT there anymore for the United States to do WWIII. JMHO.
Pulling up to 30,000 feet again, one sees the anti-Christian operatives promoting what could end up as a nuclear exchange between Christian Russia and the Christian West, including the US. But we can’t call out the morally bereft bankers who would fund both sides of such a war, because they always have. After such an exchange, take a look at what would be left, which geographical areas, and who would then have the greatest power left.
So Trump refuses to send weapons to Ukraine but agrees to sell them to OTHER NATO countries expecting them (1) not to buy them and (2) not to use them themselves.
But here’s the problem. The US CIA has a HUGE “black budget” which is completely unaccountable. That would ALSO make any and all personnel paid through the black budget unaccountable. And would it be at all surprising if these funded black budget operatives are ALSO the actual leadership of the CIA in form and function? So there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that would stop the CIA operatives from buying and transporting the weapons laundered through non-US NATO countries and using them to start the wars they want to start.
Trump has avoided the push for impeachment by avoiding sending weapons to Ukraine instead of directly exiting NATO. But this does not prevent US weapons from being used in Ukraine. So it looks like Trump will have no choice as a way to keep the US out of a global war.
Will he raid the CIA and take them under his control or will he take the US out of NATO? One side will impeach him the other side will have him killed.
Meanwhile, similar levels of deadly retaliation face people trying to get the FBI personnel to behave professionally instead of politically and people BLAME Patel and Bongino instead of recognizing parallel situations where they DON’T blame Trump for being trapped at every turn.
I see signs that Trump is working around his foes and it’s less easy for Patel/Bongino to show or say things which would indicate the same.
I think Trump should take the US out of NATO because the other members cannot be trusted. A “Trump” thing to do would be to build a NATO replacement agreement/organization.
Absolute madness! The U.S. has no strategic interest in Ukraine…none, zilch, nada! But an escalation like this, putting Moscow in NATO’s sights invites a nuclear response from a desperate Russian regime!
I am dumbfounded, flummoxed and asking WHY on God’s Green Earth would the President I respect so much do this when we here in America have so much to lose?
Eventually he is going to have to be crystal clear on what the objectives are and give up the fence sitting. I’m tired of hearing messages delivered in riddles and code. Russia is not desperate. Listen to anyone of Putins speeches about the conflict and goals. He is very clear of what the goals are and they have not changed. The Russian people know the goals as well.
Russia isn’t desperate now but that may change when the first missile made in the USA hits Moscow.
I believe Russia was goaded into this war by NATO and the US under Biden pushing for Ukraine to join NATO but I repeat…the US has no strategic interest in Ukraine and should not risk a confrontation with the Bear over this!
Talk about burying the lede… the last paragraph is the underlying root cause for all great wars.
“The reason why the EU member states of NATO want escalated war with Russia is financial and economic. Through policy and ideology, the EU/NATO members have walked themselves into an economic dead end. They are out of assets to leverage. The only way out for the EU/NATO leadership is to create a war to erase debt, expand assets and reset the economics.”
Sundance’s final paragraph needs to be a complete article that points to obvious manipulations taking place.
Deja vu all over again?
The 1938 radio broadcast of “The War of the Worlds” is famously associated with widespread panic, though modern research suggests the scale of the panic was likely exaggerated. The broadcast, presented as a realistic news bulletin depicted a Martian invasion beginning in New Jersey, leading some listeners to believe it was real. While some listeners fled their homes, jammed phone lines, or sought safety in churches, studies indicate the panic was not as extensive as initially reported.
Russia was looking straight at a very large proxy army poised on her borders – championed by a “defensive alliance” that has purposely arrayed itself adjacent to Russia on every available border. (“Ukraine’s” to be the last.) Quite sensibly, they decided to strike first. As would you.
They began with a feint directly towards Kiev, then withdrew with no one pursuing them. They settled into the strategy which they announced on opening day, and they have not deviated from it since. This is: “the long game.”
Trump provocatively suggests that “a real army could have done it in a week.” But this is not the strategy that Russia announced on day-one and has faithfully followed since.
Russia has clearly demonstrated that they have both the military and the industrial depth to conduct war to its conclusion, but they are not conducting the war as “the West” would ordinarily expect. But, those familiar with Russian military history understand that “Russia never has.” This is part of what makes her such a formidable enemy. Russia wins.
Right now, “the West’s” reasoning is clouded by money, and by convenient forgetfulness. Unlike Russia, who will never(!) forget, “the West” has utterly forgotten what “World War” means, and what it costs. It wants to sell weapons, above all else. And it simply does not remember, if the Hell of War is unleashed, just how rapidly and thoroughly those fires burn.
Especially if they become nuclear fires. Radioactive fallout is real. It would quickly cover the entire Earth, distributed by atmospheric winds, and it never becomes non-toxic. It will literally wipe out all life on earth, including every single foolish human. Those hiding in their million-dollar underground bunkers will inexorably starve.
I’m not an economist, just a SAHM. Could someone please explain the economic implications for Europe if they collapse? How would that affect the US? Positively or negatively? Would Europe be vulnerable to attacks from other countries should they collapse? Would they be vulnerable to Russia taking over Europe which would most likely mean a large world war anyway and this is seen as trying to head that off? I’m just trying to figure out the President’s thinking. He’s good at business. He wants the US to have a thriving economy. Is it possible that as sickening as it would be to save Europe from their own foolish economic policies, that this decision is an attempt to head off something much worse?
President Trump plans to attend the Tuesday meeting in Quantico with generals and admirals that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth called last week, according to a source familiar.
It’s looking more like it will be a “esprit de corps” pep talk rather than a purge.
That’s troubling. The supposed “skinny” on this meeting claimed it was related to planned cuts in staffing at the officer level. You don’t bring them all to one place to tell them “sorry, but if your packet has a black X by your name, please exit the building via the C concourse doors”. And you do NOT include the POTUS.
How far the other guy is willing to go–in either direction–is a part of negotiation, especially as the process nears its end.
That’s about as optimistic a scenario as my sense of reality (or cynicism) will allow.
Do I believe that? No, not really.
all I know is that my grandkid will fight, like my kid fought, like my ex husband, nephews, cousins, uncles, father, stepfather, grandfathers, granduncles, great grand father, etc, etc, etc …I am tired of this crap, why don’t they fight, why does my family and others like it have to step up to the plate….am disgusted by the lying on both sides
What many here seem to be overlooking is that Russia and its partner Belarus now have a new weapon in their armory that allows them a devastating response without the use of a nuke, the Oreshnik or Hazelnut. This intermediate range missile can deliver a devastating multi sub munition containing warhead payload package anywhere in Europe and is acknowledged to be probably unstoppable due to its short flight time, unpredictable target (so hard to locate a SAM battery nearby) and especially speed.
The Russians did a test run on the 21 November 2024, in an attack on a major multi level underground manufacturing site built to USSR standards in Dnipro. To this day the resultant destruction is classified such that there are still no satellite photos in the wild.
Depending on what was hit in Russia, a suitable target might be the NATO Security Assistance and Training Ukraine (NSATU) Headquarters in Wiesbaden, Germany, after say a 15 minute warning to allow the people inside to vacate it. No point in winding up the US by killing its solders unnecessarily.
WTF – !!?
Hope PDJT is doing the right thing. Demonrats are salivating bad happens in our country. They would rather sit on top of burning Rome.
Whenever I see Russia or Putin doing something that seems illogical or against their self-interest, I’m reminded of something often cited by those cognizant of the world of global finance:
By statute, Putin does not know who sits on the board of the Bank of Russia. And IIRC, nothing requires members of the board to be citizens of Russia.
For whoever “runs the world,” countries are to them as NFL teams are to people who play fantasy football.
america first my foot. and why tf should it matter what romania and moldova do? just keep your campaign promise and end americas involvement in the ukraine war. if you do that, none of this even matters. you were elected to do just that. stop sharing intelligence with ukraine and stop sending them weapons. the war ends. instead, the us is gonna funnel weapons through nato that americans pay 68% of the budget for. 61d chess. pathetic. now tomahawks and more escalation. and now we have to worry about false flags because you wouldnt go america first for real. ukraine doesnt have any cards, so you give them a full house? sorry i’m pizzzzd. america first is more than a slogan to me.
…And there you have it….
We’re on the wrong side with this one even though there are legit issues with Russia they are dwarfed by the vision of the WEF. The WEF/left want to do to Ukraine what they’ve done to the EU and US as far as the WEF agenda…and eventually they plan to do it to Russia. Ironically perhaps it’s Russia standing against the NWO. There was a time when Putin wanted to join NATO and the West…he didn’t want to align with China and NK and the US under Bush rebuffed him.
“Ukraine is not a member of NATO.”
From the very beginning of this situation I have wondered why this fact is being overlooked.
Ukraine is not a member of NATO!
This war started with miss Lindsay graham an an John McCain in 2014…
Ukrainian has 35% of the whole worlds black soil….best dirt to grow in….cheap fertilizer access an easy access to European markets…
Millions an millions an millions of acres have been bought up or long term leases by American an European companies.
This war like Iraq was for oil, raw material an some of the best agriculture land in the world! Coveted by the world greedy billionaires….
The Billions of dollars for arming Ukrainian was all about protecting the investments of the multi national companies.
Makes me sick to my stomach that a million plus people have been killed just so the rich assholes do not lose their investments….
Get the hell out of Ukrainian President Trump
News Flash:
“The U.S. provides the missiles. The U.S. approves the missile locations in Ukraine.
The U.S. authorizes the targets of the missiles from their location.
NATO provides the satellite guidance system.
Ukraine targets Moscow and launches the missiles.
How is President Trump not directly responsible for a NATO proxy war against Russia?”
Its not a proxy war anymore because Trump did this.
Trump has made the US a target now.
There was a movie called Hunt For Red October where a Russian sub officer told his captain, “You idiot you’ve killed us all because of your arrogance.”
His captain took the safties off the tarpedos and it blew the russian sub up.
Trump has taken the nato “safeties off” and guess what;
Now the US is a target.
This is insane.
If this is a Trump chess game move its a bad one!
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We are selling arms. Not authorizing anything. The theory is a version of “peace through strength”. You are less likely to pick a fight with someone who can hurt you bad if he retaliates.
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From what I’ve read the US and other NATO nations are providing the targeting information via satellites for the deployment of US weapons into Russia. How is that not authorizing?
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No different from selling weapons that actually work. It’s pointless if they can’t. Enabling isn’t “authorizing”.
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If Musk or Trump cut off “Starlink” to them, as I am quite sure they can do, the Ukranian war effort would grind to an immediate halt. So, don’t tell me that you are interested in “peace” if you have not already done that.
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That would allow Russia more easily to roll over Ukraine.That might have worked when the war started. Now, if we have absolute confidence Russia would stop at Ukraine, given the costs of this war, then great.
But if we don’t, or if Russia doesn’t then making Ukraine an equal opponent can make the war undesirable and peace can be achieved when they both exhaust themselves.
Nasty choices. But meanwhile, we’re selling weapons.
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Trump knows that Europe doesn’t have the stomach for a war with Russia so he is calling their bluff.
This is a “crazy” Trump tactic. And by the quotes, I don’t think it’s crazy at all. Typical asymmetrical Trump.
But it might help the Europeans understand that they will pay the price of escalation far worse than the US. When Russia responds to Europe’s missile strikes in Moscow with a small nuclear strike on a military base, then the Euros will realize that their bravado and escalation is about to get real and the Russians are serious. So, all you blood-thirsty morons go ahead and fight it out…the US has better things to do. Nothing quite like older people sacrificing the young people of their countries so they don’t have to face up to the economic and immigration mess they created over decades.
I have thought that the best way to get the Euro’s attention is to leave NATO and join with Russia in a military and economic alliance. We invest in their natural resources for what we want and need and then we will no longer target Russian military assets or support Zelensky in return. Continental Europeans won’t know what to do without US backing. It’s the old “Come to Jesus” moment for them.
The US will have far more leverage to end the war than remaining in NATO.
And then bring in Russia and the US back into NATO to focus on the ChiComs. There is no reason to keep focusing on Russia as a threat when they could be a solid military and economic partner. I’m not saying it will be easy, or that the Russians haven’t been lying bastards for the last several decades. Isolate the ChiComs, their Belt and Road, and stab BRICS in the heart.
Keep your friends close and enemies closer.
Unfortunately, you can’t “stab BRICS in the heart.” For many years, the USA and “the West” acted as though they were the only centerpiece of all “world trade.” And they took ruthless advantage of their position. But, a very lot of things have happened in the last eighty years.
One is that “the majority(!) of the planet’s population,” also representing “the majority(!!) of its total GDP,” now realizes that they not only do not need to remain under “the West’s” imperial thumb, but that it is vital to their interests that they do not. It is now possible for them to create entirely independent infrastructure to facilitate trade among themselves. And that is precisely what they are now doing. As would you!
Bourses. Insurers. Banks. Secure interbank messaging systems. Currency exchange. And, emphatically not(!!!) “a common currency.” The technology is available off-the-shelf. The institutions are already out there. This is not “another EU.” There is no “Brussels.”
Very soon, “the West” will find itself with competition. Business will be flowing that has nothing at all to do with them. And, some business will be diverted away from them to “greener pastures,” as their now-freed customers may direct.
This notion will be extremely hard for them to accept. Because they have simply “had it ‘their way or the highway'” for much too long. However, you cannot stop the tide.