Well, what do you know? An interesting article about Canada suddenly proposing to put limits on the amount of Chinese steel and aluminum they import. Although missing in the article is a reference to what this means about the prior process that did not have such limits.
Essentially, if you drop the pretending within the Wall Street Journal/MSM narrative, the decision by Mark Carney to limit Chinese Steel is a direct admission of their knowledge to a preexisting level of imports that violated the USMCA and all previous demands to block imports of Chinese steel.
Trump always said Canada was a transnational shipper and entry into the USA. Trudeau and Carney previously denied this was the reality. Well, if that wasn’t the reality, then why the need to change? I digress.
OTTAWA—Canada introduced limits on how much foreign steel produced in countries other than the U.S. and Mexico can be imported, as the Liberal government tries to help a domestic sector reeling from President Trump’s 50% tariffs on Canadian steel.
Prime Minister Mark Carney said Wednesday that the series of import limits and the tariffs targeting steel products with Chinese links are required because the Canadian economy has been too reliant on foreign steel to meet the needs of the construction and manufacturing sectors. He cited data indicating that two-thirds of total steel consumption in Canada comes from abroad, compared with one-third for the U.S. and one-sixth in Europe.
Carney added that the changes would also guard against foreign steel entering Canada to bypass Trump’s tariffs. Canada has had a “disproportionately open import market” when it comes to steel, Carney said at a steel factory in Hamilton, Ontario.
He added that he wouldn’t allow the current trade conflict with the U.S.—combined with unfair trade practices elsewhere—to gut the nation’s steel industry at a time when Ottawa will require the metal to embark on trade-infrastructure projects such as ports, energy corridors and pipelines.
“We must diversify our trade relationships, and above all we must rely more on Canadian steel for Canadian projects. Those shifts start today,” he said. (read more)
We have awesome Canadian Treepers; however, I would like to ask the Canadians who are stuck in denial of the steel transnational shipping issue, why Canada needed to change?
{Non-Pretending Background Here}
Trump teaching Canada about the value of domestic manufacturing and the dangers of too much reliance on China.
We’re going to have to keep fighting inflation, it’s becoming clear to me that these monopolies we all have to contend with (high prices, zero quality, zero service) have resolved to try to just keep raising prices. We’ve gone from a game of chicken to a game of who can out-last the other.
#1 Only buy what you need! #2 Look around and be creative (look at what you’ve already got). Know that there’s a 99% chance you’ll be disappointed with the corporate Chinese garbage they’re trying to pawn-off at Wal-Mart, Costco, and the whole conga-line of other traitors (run by ass-holes from the North-East). #3 Do what’s right! Get your money back. I know that can be difficult with shipping expenses and fuel prices but try – it’s your public duty. Don’t just throw it in a donation pile – that’s how they win. #4 Go step by step, don’t be impatient, don’t ever get ahead of yourself by wishing in more items and compounding the problem (this is where I believe the merchandizing problem in the United States is also a phycological-operation by the Chinese), get-by until you can get your hands on the right item that you need – half the time you’ll discover a better way doing this and won’t have to make the purchase at all.
“High prices, zero quality, and zero service” are the standard now, and not just in products. The same is true in education and health care. The only way to obtain quality and good service is to be wealthy.
President Trump is working on the economy and manufacturing and Secretary Kennedy is working on health.
But they can only do so much.
As you recommend, as much as possible we need to avoid buying crap. And another good strategy is to look for American made companies that provide quality and service and buy what you need from them.
That is so true. The buck stops with us and with the choices we make and with the responsibility we take for our own well being. Leadership cannot be blamed for that.
By product of Private Equity pump and dump strategies. End the ability to pursue these policies or the strategy to rebuild is meaningless.
Canada produces $15.2 billion of steel each year while importing $1.6 billion (2024) from China. Canada knows how to produce steel.
See link: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/07/16/suddenly-for-some-mysterious-reason-canada-wants-to-put-limits-on-chinese-steel-imports/#comment-11950647
“Canada produces…”
So tell me, who are the owners of Canada’s steel mills, and where are they from?
You’ve been transshipping Chinese steel for quite some time now. Time to just admit to it and do better. Maybe if you start behaving you’ll manage a better deal from the U.S.
They are afraid also of escalating tariffs in case they get caught. Canada and China.
100% correct. I talked to a trucker who hauls US bound. Loads are drying up. He used to bring back steel rail car wheels from the US, but that stopped as Canada began to get them from China.
Canada’s cozy relationship with China is shocking. It would be sad, but not surprising to know just how many bureaucrats have been bought and paid for by Chinese influence.
Anyway President Trump is correct. The only way to get serious answers from Canada is to establish punishing reasons for us not to comply. Right now Canadians aren’t there. Elbows up everyone.
Makes me want to puke.
DD
I’d love to see Trump exempt from tariffs the loads hauled by those Canadian truckers who participated in the anti-covid authoritarianism blockade (and had the Canadian government take so much away). Exempt for hauling anything actually made in Canada, that is.
Trump should consider offering asylum to Canadian conservatives. Just a few days ago an independent reporter was beaten by HAMAS supporters and then arrested by police, body slammed into a cement staircase and arrested for assault, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest while the HAMAS lovers cheered. Meanwhile a pedophile who was grooming a 14byear old girl was released because if he had been convicted it would have made it impossible for him to bring his wife from India. The country has gone to total crap being run by criminals.
Part of the CCP long game is to eventually gain control of Canada’s vast, and I mean VAST, natural resources that are critical for human life in the next two generations.
-fresh water
-farmland
-timber
-oil and natural gas
-other minerals
We need to plan now to secure that northern portion of the North American continent.
Keep the CCP (and the so-called “religion of peace”) out and keep their hands off.
So that our grandchildren can survive.
Only issue I see with this thinking is that the earth appears to be in a cooling phase. Those items you mention may not be easily accessible long-term.
In this both the Canadian Liberals and the Conservatives have been very complicit. Canada has its own Uniparty problems.
FIPA was Harper’s idea; the Liberals supported it and really unleashed it on Canada (oddly only the NDP and the Greens of that time voted against it — proving that yes blind squirrels can find acorns from time to time).
It’s worth looking into that trade deal’s particulars as well as the voting in the Canadian parliament.
You’ve been laboring under it for the past decade.
And I do not want to hear about “but, but the Liberals!”.
That was the sort of thinking that caused Americans so much generational misery. The Uniparty of course loves it, for then they can work together while seeming at odds.
I won’t deny that Canadians irritate me (largely due to how the above affects my own country), but I hope to see them get out from under this and buck the Uniparty hold off if they can. No one but a ghoul likes to see families reduced to standing in lines at soup kitchens and food banks.
I’ve never experienced an elbow that saw a mid ice hip check coming.
Be interesting to see if this CCP relationship dries up with an independent Western Canada
A truly surprising mystery indeed….
“I would like to ask the Canadians who are stuck in denial of the steel transnational shipping issue, why Canada needed to change?”
Is Orangeman bad an acceptable answer???
See this post: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/07/16/suddenly-for-some-mysterious-reason-canada-wants-to-put-limits-on-chinese-steel-imports/#comment-11950647
The change is a result of Trump putting 50% tariffs on Canadian steel. Naturally, Carney is trying to keep steel imports from other countries out of Canada to save the Canadian industry.
In 2024, the biggest source of steel imports for Canada was the United States ($4.6 billion) – that same year, it imported $1.6 billion from China.
Wouldja look at dat… LOL
I posted on daily thread an article with headline: Carney now recognizes that US tariffs are likely.
I mean cmon dude. Cuz you think President Trump wasn’t serious about it?!!
I’m beginning to think pretending is as addictive as meth.
Absolutely, Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt.
I just read a news article dated almost a year ago that said the Canadian Steel Producers Association was calling on Trudeau to institute a 25% tariff on Chinese steel. They said it was critical to save the Canadian steel industry and that Canada needed to be in lockstep with the US on tariffing Chinese steel imports.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/steel-aluminum-existential-threat-1.7288870
Great find!
Nice catch.
Yeah get him some Nalex lox etc something so he doesn’t overdose.
Carney has no thoughts or actions of his own.
He is totally controlled by Globalists, he is a sock puppet.
I second that question lolz.
SD, you know far better than me. But, what if Canada was exporting the majority of what they produce to the USA, and using the Chinese steel domestically?
With tariffs theoretically reducing their exports to the USA, wouldn’t it make sense to prop up domestic steel producers? I’m not saying they’re not trans-shipping, but maybe just not steel.
Easily traceable with chemical analyses of steels.
Exactly! I noted that in my post here: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/07/16/suddenly-for-some-mysterious-reason-canada-wants-to-put-limits-on-chinese-steel-imports/#comment-11950647
So, is there any concrete evidence that Canada was being used as a transhipment country? The Mill Test Reports (MTRs) would tell the story.
We need a TCTH Agenda 47 tracker, stat!
My guess is that Carney was confronted with the evidence that Canada has been cheating the USMCA.
Then the demand was… It stops or else.
Hamilton Ontario is known as Steel City. Stelco and Dofasco both have huge operations there. There are also infinitely more smaller operations that all contribute to the steel industry. This massive block workers are profoundly liberal.
Liberal MPs in these ridings are probably frantically trying to stave off a slaughter in the next election. I don’t think Canada restricting Chinese imports of steel really has much to do with pleasing President Trump, but rather trying to salvage an industry that is poised for a massive collapse. Importing Chinese steel at a time when massive Canadian layoffs are happening would be catastrophic for the liberal party base.
I’m hoping that Trump stays firm on his tarrifs. It takes a crushing collapse to jolt the liberal auto ballot markers out of their stupor. It may be too late.
DD
Dan: agree that industry has survived on exporting steel to the USA. The implementation of large tariffs on imported Canadian Steel now has the backward effect of forcing Canada to stop importing from China and use Canadian Steel for Canadian mfg. (I started my career working in accounting on the LTV Steel BK).
I hope for your country that the pain for that industry causes the reforms you hope for.
I have been lead to understand that Canada has made serious investments in green steel. They expected to sell this to Europe. Europe is changing their rules to survive. Dirty steel is back in vogue.
Elections are fixed. Carney was installed not elected.
100%
Completely agree DD.
The Canadian Steel Producers Association sounded an alarm a year ago about the dangers of Chinese steel imports. They were calling on the Canadian government to follow the United States lead and tariff Chinese steel at 25%.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/steel-aluminum-existential-threat-1.7288870
Is it possible that the Snow Mexicans ruining Canada are coming to their senses? We shall see.
“if you drop the pretending within the Wall Street Journal/MSM narrative”
Ephesians 5:13 KJV
But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
ABOUT TIME
The METALLURGY From CHINA Is Still Behind the United States and Germany in Quality.
THAT’s WHY They STILL CAN Catch , ( IF the FBI Wants to ) ,
U.S. Educated CHINESE Engineers Stealing Formulations from US STEEL
https://www.reuters.com/article/business/us-panel-launches-trade-secret-theft-probe-into-china-steel-idUSKCN0YH2KW/
Some think China is ripping us off, but some of it is they genuinely do not know how to machine metal.
Right, they produce Chinesium, that mystery material that your chef’s knife is made of. When you drop the knife on the kitchen floor, the blade of the knife breaks into pieces. Definately, not steel.
China also builds with tofu concrete and flexy rebar. Look on YT for vids of tofu highways and high-rises collapsing in Panda Land.
It’s both.
Communism is death to not only innovation but also any motivation to improve by your workforce (and I don’t blame them, there’s no inducement to produce more than the bare minimum, and the bare minimum is set by the state — not the market, not industrial standards, not by craftsmen, the state).
Reminds me of some details I was reading about shoddy construction techniques in China.
Turns out a large number of high rises were having structural issues from having been built with subpar steel. Likely cut corners on the metallurgy by not including the trace amounts of necessary vanadium in their structural steel.
To say nothing of stainless steel that ships pre-rusted. Likely didn’t put enough nickel or chromium into the alloy in that case.
The BC government has just ordered 4 new ferries from China – see here https://www.bcfmwu.com/news/statement-bc-ferries-contract-with-chinese-state-owned-shipyard/
Presumably they will be built from inferior Chinese steel? All part and parcel of the interwoven relationship between BC/Canada and China, IMO.
Funnily enough, they’ll get what they pay for.
Caveat emptor
I remember that article. So true! Buy local, for locals to use! Support your own community, country! The elite company heads with govt monies are always selling out the people!
Trump is removing any space for Canada (and other countries) to hedge/delay in the hopes the Dems will win in 28. The sooner a MAGA economic agenda gets implemented, the better our economy will be for ALL Americans. Canada, China, the EU and others are actively working Democrats and RINOs on ways to stop Trump’s economic wins.
Hmmm-seven/sixths of their steel is imported. No wonder their economy is in trouble.
I think he was comparing Canada’s total steel imports to US total steel imports and Europe’s total steel imports.
Canada is lost. We are well past voting our way out of our troubles. I thought it’s likely Trudeau’s Liberals were installed the last couple elections, especially after observing electronic tabulation devices scanning my voter card at my polling station. After observing far too many electoral districts going to the Liberals this past election by 100 votes or less, despite the Trudeau Liberals being hated by anyone you’d ask in the greater Toronto area (GTA), (who along with Quebec decide who runs Canada), it can no longer be denied that Canada’s government is installed by moneyed interests and foreign governments, not by Canadians.
I for one would welcome our new American overlords. We are ruled by globalists, who sell out Canadians interests at every turn, and that’s been true since I was a kid. From the Liberal Trudeau the first putting us on the road to communism, to the alleged Conservative Mulroney selling out our country to the globalists along with Reagan with the signing of NAFTA, which hollowed out both our countries manufacturing bases, and the communists masquerading as environmentalists since making it impossible to build anything here in North America, we don’t innovate, build anything or make anything in Canada anymore. Our biggest industry is real estate, which amounts to adding nothing of value, only flipping property between other people and charging a fee for doing so.
Canada is an oligarchy, ruled by a few regional rich families, along with many politicians who’ve been corrupted by foreign interests in China and India.
If our current WEF installed PM Carney is apparently going to go against his Chinese owners, things in Canada must be far worse than they appear.
“… far too many electoral districts going to the Liberals this past election by 100 votes or less …”
—> DOMINION Voting Machines?
It would be a mercy if Trump annexed us.
Problem is election integrity, here and there. Add in the msm and voices of contention and we’re back to square one.
Canada is LOST 💯
Annexation is INEVITABLE
Yesterday our President was in Pittsburgh, PA promoting Energy and AI development for infrastructure development in PA. How can Canada expect to compete with America steel producers in Pittsburgh, PA? PA steel won WWII. President Trump is about to start the implosion of China’s steel scam via Canada’s realization that aiding the Chi-coms is economic suicide.
The British controlled the Chinese, up until they gave away Hong Kong, etc….. (wink wink) Then it just so happens that Canada which British Royals Own and Operate launders the Chinese products into America via Democrat and Rino Free trade deals to undermine America. I’m sure it’s all a coincidence.
I think a Canadian goose is about to be cooked! Pretty corny, I know.
Don’t forget the Bethlehem steel shipbuilding during World War Two!
BTW Carney has an asymmetrical mouth. Can’t trust him.
I posted PA steel won WWII. The big deal was in Pittsburgh, though. Eastern PA had more than just Bethlehem.
In 1945, 25 of the 26 largest steel mills in the world were located in the USA. Over time, our “leaders” willingly gave away that monopoly, ostensibly in the interest of globalism.
14 months ago, I briefly visited the Austrian City of Linz (population 209,000), located on the Danube River. The original Herman Goering steel plant in that City is massive and was completely destroyed by US/British bombing in 1944/45 and was re-built after WW2 (largely through USA loans/support and Marshall Plan assistance).
Today, Austria produces more steel than Great Britain. The Linz works accounts for 79% of all steel produced in Austria. Linz is clean, orderly and prosperous and the steel plant dominates one large section of the City. Air quality seems fine. The touristy area felt a world away from the steel plant. I doubt the practical, hard-working Austrian residents of Linz have any objection to the location of their efficient, profitable (but massive) Steel Plant. IMHO, there’s no reason that Gary, Indiana could not be re-purposed (perhaps a Mini Marshall Plan for USA Rust Belt) to resemble Linz, Austria.
And there also was Burns Harbor, and Birmingham. All gone to rust now.
My neighbors husband worked ant a plant in WNY, until it shutdown, asbestos everywhere. Non smoker died of asbestos related lung cancer in his early 60’s. Same with a brother in law, 15 years younger. Sad!
A bunch of asians, some possibly illegal (who knows LMAO, they all speak mandarin) I always see at my local casino come in every night with $20,000 -$30,000….. to gamble with. I could never figure out what they did, other than rumors they had money. Turns out they are in the Marijauna farming operations and that’s where the cash comes from. America is a joke.
The casinos (and real estate) are a great way to launder money.
I’ve never really looked into Canada’s steel industry but I never doubted that Canada was involved in transshipping. This is business and it will do whatever it has to do to make money within the confines of the law. Change the laws and make strong consequences for breaking them and you solve the problem. It is no different than what Trump is doing in his trade deals with other countries. Canada is having to change their practices because Trump is forcing them to do so. I am all for this. I believe in Trump’s policies. I want Canada to adopt them too. I think they are fair and they work. I support American greatness because I want the top economic and military power in the world to be the USA not China. I don’t trust Carney as far as I could throw him but if he is making these kinds of decisions it’s because he is being forced too. Carney is EU/WEF. This is not what he wants but he is conceding defeat to Trump because he has no other choice. This is great news for Canada! Divesting ourselves of CCP is what I want. I tnimk Trump is not interested in saving Canada. His entire focus is on saving the USA and that is how it should be. But Canada is being affected in a good way by Trump’s policies. We have had to back off from climate change policies for economic reasons. Even Trump’s hardline stand against DEI policies is affecting Canada because the corporate sponsorship for DEI is pulling out, it always seems to come down to the money. But it works! I think it is the solution to the corruption and cartel problem too. Cut off their funding and it solves the problem. .
We need to cut off the money printing problem is DC too. They are basically robbing us all when they print money that is not distributed to the Economy in an equitable fashion. Where has the 20 + trillion gone that DC printed since Obama era? Most people I know are as broke now, if not worse….. than they were before that $20trillion was printed.
You must know middle class people.
The money is going to the newly wealthy. Here’s a quote from the link below:
“Upper-income households have seen more rapid growth in income in recent decadesThe growth in income in recent decades has tilted to upper-income households. At the same time, the U.S. middle class, which once comprised the clear majority of Americans, is shrinking. Thus, a greater share of the nation’s aggregate income is now going to upper-income households and the share going to middle- and lower-income households is falling.9”
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
It takes money (and smart investment decisions or creative write offs) to make money.
You have not, because you ask not.
The annual event that occurs near Passover, is called “tax time”, yet the 1040 form has in the title, RETURN.
Study the IRS instructions and discover what is available for achievement of a return.
We home school, how ’bout you home school your selves, and study how to get a better ROI – Return On Investment. RTFM…Read The “Friendly” Manuals.
Jesus commanded me to feed his sheep, this post is food for thought.
Sundance & Company are funny! Never ask a question, you don’t already know the answer to?
All part of the US ‘rules-based-international-order’, which states that you DO whatever you can get away with.
So far Canada, following the rules, got away with it.
Now they will have to seek out other things they can get away with.
It will be wack-a-mole. The US/Canada border is long and both sides cannot afford to close the border completely.
Wack-a-mole, my friend!
They say you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.
Well, that ain’t so.
You just have to try a bit harder.
You hold it’s nose under water and say…
m Ok horsie, drink or drown…
It would seem to be an acknowledgment that what Trump is doing to protect the U.S. economy is the right approach for a sovereign nation to protect domestic industry!
President Trump is creating jobs in Canada.
Mining, pipe, structural steel, construction and all kinds of infrastructure projects.
“President Trump is creating jobs in Canada.”
And the Canadian government seems to be positioning themselves to fight him every step of the way.
“We have awesome Canadian Treepers; however, I would like to ask the Canadians who are stuck in denial of the steel transnational shipping issue, why Canada needed to change?”
Well, maybe it’s something to do with that timeless ol’ adage:
“When you’ve got ’em by the b*llz…….their hearts and minds will soon follow.”
So Canada didn’t need all that steel domestically after all? Well who was the recipient?
Pick up the rock and the cockroaches scuttle for cover. Boo Canada.
Talking about foreign steel, I was the PE (Pro Engineer) on a court case involving Brazilian steel. 4″ plate with a seam down the middle. A big bogey with four wheels made of this steel sheared in two and killed a man standing next to one of the wheels. That was the worst steel I’d seen so far in my career. We won millions for the farmer’s family and many more for the company that imported that shit.
Canada about to eat its own tail thanks to Trump tariffs. Best of luck Canada. Your leadership is too little to late.
In 2024, Canada imported approximately $8.8 billion worth of iron and steel products. Here’s how that breaks down by country:
United States $4.4 billionChina $1.6 billionSouth Korea $1.0 billionJapan $850 millionGermany $700 millionSource: Canada Imports of Iron and steel – 2025 Data 2026 Forecast 1989-2024 Historical
Given that Canada buys significantly more steel from the United States than from China, it does not make sense for it to be transshipping the steel it imported from China.
Canada produces approximately $15.2 billion worth of steel each year, with about half of that amount being exported to the US. I don’t see any evidence that China is using Canada as a transshipment country. The trade numbers don’t bear that out.
With the 50% tariffs Trump has put on Canadian Steel, Carney is taking actions to keep imports of Steel out of Canada so as to give the Canadian steel industry a boost.
Has there been any concrete evidence that Canada was being used as a transshipment country for China?
Most steel products, like pipe, rolled steel, and structural components, come with metallurgy certificates.
The most common certificate is the Mill Test Report (MTRs), which includes:
Chemical composition (carbon, manganese, sulfur, etc.)Mechanical properties (yield strength, tensile strength, elongation)Heat number — a unique ID that traces the steel back to its production batchRefinery or mill of origin, confirming where the steel was melted and pouredApplicable standards (e.g., ASTM, ISO, EN, JIS)The quality requirements of the end users, e.g., manufacturers and building constructors, demand strict traceability.
Money talks, and bullshit walks. It’s as simple as that.
Traitors on our northern borders.
For years, US-based steel fabricators have been complicit with Canadian steel suppliers in hiding the origin of Chinese steel that floods into the US via Canada.
True enough. This may force them to play nice as well.
What steel industry? The blast furnaces were shut down 10 years ago.
Corrupt entities (Quebec) import the cheap and crappy chinese steel/aluminium, put a coating on it and ship it South with a “Made in Canada” stamp on it.
Canadian guy here, i might be wrong, but according to me the reasons Canada is imposing a tariff on China are:
I am enjoying watching this, because carney’s pals on mainstream media are melting down big time. It is popcorn time according to me.
Also, I told some people here in Canada, the only way for Canada to survive is that carney has to do the following 3 things:
Then we might have a chance here.
“He added that he wouldn’t allow the current trade conflict with the U.S.—combined with unfair trade practices elsewhere—to gut the nation’s steel industry at a time when Ottawa will require the metal to embark on trade-infrastructure projects such as ports, energy corridors and pipelines.“
It’s cute that he thinks they have a steel industry.
I’m more interested in this:
51st state? How about 51st and 52nd?
Winning! MAGA TRUMPWINNING! Moving along, now what are we gonna do about all those unnatural somalis in minnasota?
😉
Canada has placed itself at the mercy of PDJT, Canada is not an independent country they are a dependent country who has thought the WEF would let them ride for free on their coattails. That failed business model always implodes on itself.
Canada produces hot house tomatoes and oil, beyond that it has become a liberal hot bed for failure and this article sums up the facts that failure is knocking on Carney’s door, and that knocking is only getting louder.
So now we know both Canada and China broke Trump trade deals, China never buying the Billions in farm products they committed to POTUS in Term-1.
Is a deal really a deal if commitments aren’t met?
If what I read is correct, Canada is a real mess w Asian Triad gangs, CCP money and expats, drug cartels and China routing money through Vancouver casinos, washing the money, 50% of Vancouver high rise conds bought by CCP and Triad members, sitting empty, but driving prices through the roof.
Canadian Chinese inspectors compromised, ensuring the grift. Mexican cartels also set up in Canada.
A Middle Eastern invasion also underway, decades in the making. Low birth rate like the EU.
On top of this, most Canadian land owned by the Crown Corporation? (Royals?)
Mysterious reasons indeed, I’m still not tired of winning.