National Security Advisor Mike Waltz appears on Fox News with Laura Ingraham to discuss the exploding controversy around a left-wing journalist, Jeffrey Goldberg, being included on a Signal chat with members of President Trump’s cabinet.
According to Mike Waltz the name of a contact was mis-attributed to the telephone number of Jeffrey Goldberg. Waltz thought someone else (¹he will not say who) was in the chat group, but it was actually Goldberg. Waltz says his team and Elon Musk’s technical team are working through an investigative process to discover how that happened.
As I repeated earlier, the most likely origination of the mis-attribution is the intelligence community, specifically the CIA. The entire fiasco originates as an operation targeting the Trump administration. Mike Waltz says he is not a conspiracy theorist, but indicates he too thinks something like this is quite possible. WATCH:
Let me summarize for those new to these performances: (1) The CIA tech team organized the Signal App operation (directory manipulation). That’s how Goldberg got in. (2) Jeffrey Goldberg held the story until the day before the scheduled SSCI hearing. (3) The SSCI uses the hearing to attack the Trump officials at the top of the critical silos.
Why? The CIA group doesn’t like the Trump Ukraine and Trump Russia policy.
[¹We may discover that somehow the name Marco Rubio was attributed to the phone number of Jeffrey Goldberg. Rubio was reportedly on the chat, but didn’t say anything.]
mole trap.
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General Recommendations
Apply these best practices to your devices and online accounts.
1. Use only end-to-end encrypted communications.
Adopt a free messaging application for secure communications that guarantees end-to-end encryption, such as Signal or similar apps.
https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/2024-12/guidance-mobile-communications-best-practices.pdf – bottom of page 1
What if my comm’s text is outlined in Green instead of Blue on an iPhone … is that secure? /sarc
(PS I had a freind who did not turn on iPhone encryption and comm text was outlined in Green not blue)
Out of curiosity, how/from whom did Goldberg obtain the crypto for the session?
For that matter, same question (how the security works) applies to authentication.
Nothing in this computes – no pun intended.
CIA op, clear and simple.
“Splinter the C.I.A. into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.”
I prefer burn it to the ground and salt the earth.
Agree. More than one president has thought same. Can PDJT not see this, too? How hard can it be? I fear Radcliffe is not going to get much done during his tenure because he comes across as too measured, too reserved.
It was always the case that Ratcliffe was not going to get much done.
Nobody in that organization is going to be honest about their activities.
I picture Ratcliffe’s office at the end of a long hallway. The hallway is filled with empty offices and conference rooms. Somebody comes by occasionally to water the plants.
At least John isn’t Brennan.
“At least John isn’t Brennan.” Gosh, isn’t is so freakin’ sad that Brennan is the standard to beat for a CIA director? 😒
Yes. In the real world of even civilian-grade crypto, everyone has revocable credentials (no “mere passwords” here), everyone knows what credentials are now connected as they come and go, and someone on staff is actively monitoring – able to interrupt and shut it down instantly if compromised. Triply so when actors at this level are discussing State secrets. This very-odd story is simply not what it is being sold as. It cannot be. These players are not amateurs. And, this is not the medium that they would ever use for “the real thing.”
The CIA cyber division?
The deep state has been trying to sow hate and dissension among Trump’s team in the liberal news. It is not working. So are they now trying to make people on Trump’s team look bad and maybe get fired? Tying up the Trump Administration in endless appointments and confirmations? At least Trump didn’t fall for it and fire Waltz.
Musk will be investigating, it will be interesting to find out what he finds. Also Trump Declassifies]d FBI’s Russia Investigation, so more nefarious Democratic lawlessness will be exposed.
Musk is THE ONLY person I trust to come up with the truth in Signal Gate. Whatever he says will be earth shaking. That team has patriots on steroids.
I’m in a Signal group for a local organization, and work on contracts for the federal government.
At the federal government there are groups of people in a list with their names, email addresses, phone numbers, etc. that group list is shared amongst team members. Someone else maintains it.
For the Signal app, any time someone posts something there, it “pings” to let me know to check it. That’s the knowledge I have!
This is another piece of information that shows just how stealthy, sneaky, and underhanded the enemy is.
Maybe I’m missing a few details, but that sounds less secure than posting an ad on Craigslist.
Signal is VERY secure. A gang of freedom-loving friends of mine use it for that very reason. I’ve been on it many times, it was carefully researched to be the most secure we could go with.
No, this is an example of the CIA playing childish games to discredit the Trump Administration, because they have nothing else. It’s the best resistance their DEI hires could come up with.
And I wonder, I say this from the bottom of my heart, with all due sincerity and humility, who gives a shit? Teslas, mainly owned by progressives, are getting keyed all over the country, dealerships torched, conservative alt media SWATted, and a disabled GOVERNOR referred to by a Democrat Representative as ‘Hot Wheels’. The Left disgust me.
I love, love, love Democrats torching each others cars. A snooty lib my wife works with replaced the Tesla logo on his Model 3 with an Audi logo.
My wife isn’t particularly political and asked me why he would do that. I broke out laughing at the news and replied “self defense”. He’s worried about getting attacked by his fellow ideologues.
Then there’s the environmental nightmare of burning lithium batteries. They care NOTHING about the environment.
The other day, I saw a Tesla with a sticker that read, “I bought this Tesla before I knew who Elon Musk really was.” Liberals are making their own paranoid, and I think it’s hilarious.
I saw a Tesla with a sticker that read, “Love my Tesla but hate Elon Musk!”
Crazy Libs, the supposed “party of the ppl who care!” All about HATE!!
Hopefully Beverly Hills, Bel Air, Monteciti, Palo Alto, Pacific Heights, Marin, Arlington, Scarsdale, Brookline, Newton, La Jolla, and Rancho Sante Fe accidently experience same fate as Pacific Palisades from a greasy unkempt grandson of Trotsky torching a Tesla and the resulting fire gets out of control.
It’s security is not the point. The point is that DOD personnel are not supposed to use it and in the past have been forced to resign when they were caught.
Plus, it also can’t be used because it bypasses logging of fedgov communications and, thereby, avoids FOIA searches just like Hillary’s basement email server.
And there’s this “coincidence” just prior to this event. Ignore the “war plans” BS, but note “Google”:
Weeks before US officials used Signal for war plans, Google outlined how Russia hacked it in Ukraine
March 25, 2025
https://www.firstpost.com/world/russia-hacked-signal-in-ukraine-weeks-before-us-officials-used-it-to-discuss-war-plans-13874441.html
Winston, very good. Thank you. These folks should have assembled in a SCIF somewhere and had this discussion. And if it was too inconvenient for any of them, then maybe they need to look for another job or send their Number 2. The President doesn’t need this happening, this forced error by his cabinet members. And frankly, by people who should know better.
Like many things, this turns into a nuanced messed – The article links to a Google Threat Intelligence group report, which documents that Signal accounts were being compromised (which is different from signal being hacked) by phishing attacks. The compromised accounts could give the attacker access to group chats in Signal.
But, the gov just recommended that all gov officials use end-to-end encryption apps such as Signal in December of 2024. Again this is for non-classified. This was in response to the Salt Typhoon vulnerability that exposes us telecom networks.
https://www.cisa.gov/resources-tools/resources/mobile-communications-best-practice-guidance
but, also remember. The US gov has access to the encrypted chats of Signal. This happened to Tucker Carlson a few years ago.
I agree, They have phones that can be secured to top secret. So why use Signal on a personal device?
Cabinet level discussions are not subject to FOIA. Like it or not, Signal appears to be a legit communication tool for confidential conversations among government officials in this age. Much better than running a private email server from a bathroom.
The CIA would never recommend an encyphering program they could not decypher. That is part of their existence.
This!
re: “Signal is VERY secure.”
The WEAK link as the lessons with the late great hacker Kevin Mitnick should have showed us is with HUMANS – the ‘human factor’ is the weak link … most of Kevin’s work involved getting key pieces of the puzzle directly from the principle human ops/gate keeps involved.
CIA playing childish games to discredit the Trump Administration….
It’s not a childish game if the agency tasked with security breaches security and engages in an act of espionage against President Trump or his cabinet. Don’t be surprised if they ratchet the operation up a notch.
And there may be a new player in town. Usually it’s the Washington Post is involved in these operations. But Bezos is sort of riding the Trump Train and may no longer be trusted. So The Atlantic may be a new CIA outlet.
Gosh, so hate to get a close up of “warts and all” of Prez Trumps administration, but I have learned enough about this comm app, Signal, to agree with you about its apparent lack of security for gov’t purposes.
I have no angst over things said (although the remarks about Europe are gonna come back to Pete and JD🙄 ) but I do think that as world leaders in digital technology communications, we could do a lot better.
Jes’ sayin’.
There are trillions at stake
My bad. I thought Trump was in charge of the CIA now. Also DoJ. Guess he is not. Just can do EOs and his appointees can backstab him? We’ve seen this all before.
Your concern it noted.
The app supports the encryption. End to end. If you are in the group, you are part of the encryption.
“The Atlantic’s “disinformation expert,” Anne Applebaum, came right out and admitted it Thursday: The permanent bureaucracy is a “regime change” in the United States.
“The article is titled “There’s a Term for What Trump and Musk Are Doing” and subtitled “How regime change happens in America.”
-The Atlantic Admits The Deep State Is A ‘Regime Change’
https://thefederalist.com/2025/02/17/the-atlantic-admits-the-deep-state-is-a-regime-change/
An excellent article. Thank you!
Yes, this came to light early on and bears remembering and repeating because we’re battling a bunch of D supporters who will start making claims. And to be honest, I was (and still do) question the use of such an app when the government records laws are being violated. These official communications are supposed to be saved but the app gives the ability to completely erase… even without a hammer.
They are using terms that most Americans would call treasonous. But then what do I know.
And they weren’t supposed to because, in their case, it fails to log fedgov communications, thereby avoiding FOIA searches. Which is probably why they used it.
They set the precedent. If they smack down the Trump admin for using it, a NEW precedent is set.
Waltz appears to be the plant…….
His interview with ingrham made him out to be a liar or just totally stupid and inept
Trump is very wrong to keep this idiot
WALTZ INTERVIEW WITH LAURA WAS DIR4ECT AND HONEST. THIS WAS PLANNED FOR THE SSCI HEARING …. NOW THE DEMS HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT TO THE PRESS
THIS WAS A SET UP
Agreed. People have to be intentionally obtuse not to see the IC and Pentagon using likely an NSC mole while separately informing the SSCI about what was coming.
Timed perfectly so the SSCI could be ready to go, but Trump’s people wouldn’t have the facts. Then just scream them down.
These over the top attacks on Waltz, when he’s admitting to messing up and stating that Elon’s team is investigating, feels like an Information Operation.
They really want Hegseth.
Totally agree….at times accept responsibility then immediately shift to “but what about Russiagate”.
I’m struggling to hear that in his answers. Yes, it’s odd that nobody asked Rubio “is that you?” That’s the part that doesn’t hold water. But he’s on point that something very weird happened. And it’s not wrong to have the “IT Dept” investigate.
The NSC is loaded with moles, as we learned during Trump 45. Removing Flynn allowed them to activate the moles (Vindman). Seems to me this was an attempt to remove Waltz or Hegseth. Recall that Vindman was planted in NSC by the Pentagon…
President Trump should have learned by now from all that had happened in his first term…traitors and evil people want him to fail and they ( new names but same MO) will do it again.
Mr. President, please wake up and stop trusting these creeps.
I don’t think he’d be talking to Elon to help investigate it if he were the mole. He’d be trying to slow down an investigation.
The goal of this hit job – timed precisely to coincide with the SSCI hearing, and using a massive nevertrump journalist – was to remove one or more Trump cabinet members.
They’re also upset that Signal, not JEICS/SIPRNet, is being used to evade IC surveillance.
A key strategy in 2017 was to remove the NatSec Advisor (Flynn) and get other cabinet members to recuse (Sessions).
There is nothing new under the sun.
Remember the mistake that was made to get rid of Flynn. I am DEFINITELY not about firing Waltz at this time. Too obvious. But he is not as smart as I thought, and it definitely was staff or else Waltz would not have posted. The only person that looms as the elephant in the room was the guy who was in the room and said nothing…RUBIO.
On Signal, you can name yourself whatever you want. Additionally, your phone number is hidden by default. This would setup the perfect storm for directory manipulation as Sundance notes above.
While the Double Ratchet algorithm that Signal uses is considered secure from a cryptographic perspective, the only way to prevent impersonation is by validating the user’s security number out of band. Few people know this, and fewer still understand the principles behind it.
Waltz’s staffer understood this (likely by IC instruction), and leveraged this knowledge to either hand his boss a phone preloaded with a intentionally mislabeled contact of Jeffrey Goldberg, or impersonated his boss altogether.
From there, likely with some malicious prompting, specifics regarding publicly available information was shared, with the intention of using this innocuous chatter as an IC bludgeon against Trump and his cabinet.
Considering his and his wife’s background, Waltz’s is also likely the IC embed who will use a parade of staffers to excuse a bunch of faux bashful “oh foolish me” behavior to put the deep state sleepers in charge of RussiaGate version 3.67 by forcing recusals.
I suspect Trump is trying to avoid a Flynn repeat with this go-round, but “fool me twice” and I’ll kick your ass to the curb is hopefully in the cards if this happens again.
kick it over a cliff.
Will we get the name of the staffer soon? Is he (or she!) going to be fired?
I think President Trump is wise to not fire Waltz – yet – as he quickly fired General Flynn. (But keep a close eye on him).
And hopefully there will be no recusals no matter the pressure. Look how easily Flynn caved.
We need fighters. This seriously damaging leaking can’t be tolerated.
the “system” has the capability to change the name or phone number
so the person setting up the meeting is thinking they are adding
the correct information without knowing nefarious deeds are going on
a software glitch
you know, like the voting machines changing votes
The phone number used to be visible – this was a recent change (last 2 years or so?) for privacy reasons.
I’d argue that the functionality isn’t maliciously intentional, but rather designed with the privacy knowledgeable user in mind. That’s the key: most of us are privacy conscious, but the knowledge to maintain that in this digital age is lacking.
Note that the same concept (verifying ones digital identity out of band) applies to the decades old PGP system. And the government persecuted its designer, Phil Zimmerman, under the guise of ITAR.
Remember, with Flynn the FBI and media got help from Mike Pence.
That’s what makes this op particularly poorly conceived. If Waltz is a mole, why would they detonate an explosive most likely to remove him? And while they timed it to drop right before the SSCI hearing, it was too obvious. Plus they didn’t have ANYONE inside Team Trump (eg Pence) lined up to take out Hegseth/Waltz.
PLUS, they left behind fingerprints (staffer) and evidence (Signal data).
The Waltz NSC staffer who set up the call either wittingly or unwittingly assigned Rubio’s name to Goldberg’s number. The goal was to create a scandal and it blew up in their faces.
Traitor Mike Pence who should be investigated for treason.
Staffers need to be fired. Wittingly or unwittingly.
Seems overly complicated. Why would Waltz – a plant – put himself in a position to get fired? He’s THE MOST LIKELY person to get fired, not Hegseth or anyone else.
Remember, the NSC is loaded with moles. (Eg Alex Vindman)
The most likely culprits were either NSC moles or someone on the outside managed to push false data to the mole.
I can’t imagine any of the other parties in that Signal group are happy with Waltz or his staff.
He probably has lost a LOT of trust amongst them.
I don’t disagree, was just floating the possibility of him being able to sweet talk his way out with some semblance of plausible deniability by constantly blaming staffers.
Agreed. If Waltz was the mole, then why did he also post? Nah. He is not smart but clean, his staffers however…at least 3 to 6 staffers needs to be fired, anyone that touched this across all agencies, including tech folks.
But let’s wait for Doge. I trust them the most. Then we look to Rubio, because with ALL democrats voting for him, he was in the chat and did not post. HE, folks may the mole. Just my guess.
And my fellow Treepers, that is a dangerous situation for POTUS since he is 4th in line to the presidency.
BofH,
Doesn’t Signal also have a, “back door”? If the IC wanted to do this again, and again, …
couldn’t they just put someone into the convo via the back door?
The backdoor would likely need to be on the device – put differently, it is possible that the NSA (that is what they do) broke the encryption algorithms used, but not very likely. This is why the IC invests heavily in mobile phone exploitation solutions like NSO Group’s Pegasus and CellBrite etc.
That said, Occams Razor applies: if you can exploit a lack of knowledge in how to properly use a potentially secure system, which then renders the system insecure, would you not?
As I understand it, Signal uses open source encryption algorithms which are known to be highly secure. In a properly designed encryption system, the enemy can know everything about the system, but if he doesn’t have the encryption key (user knowledge, such as a password), then he’s not getting in. Which is to say that there’s no way for the NSA to break the encryption unless they either modified the version of Signal that was installed to give themselves a backdoor, or they had a human asset on the inside.
Yes, Signal is an open source application which uses open source encryption methods and techniques. This stuff well researched and investigated, and is highly secure.
My understanding from snippets from a few different angles and from NSA leaked materials => I believe the gov can crack AES and have cracked Signal. Tucker Carlson claimed the gov breached his Signal chats between only a few people a couple of years ago.
Typically, the user, or the implementation around the encryption algorithm is root cause of “failure” in the security.
This is correct. And open source cryptography has probably exceeded the NSAs capabilities in terms of secure design and resistance to cryptanalysis. Though once upon a time, the NSA was very good at this – so who knows.
re: “the only way to prevent impersonation is by validating the user’s security number out of band.”
Sounds like – could it be – 2FA? (2 Factor Authentication)
Someone in the group should have been charged with the duty of going thru each ID when first used and verify via 2FA/OOB contact the validity of the individuals on the chat session.
Signal has a very easy way to verify security numbers via QR codes. Once verified, the contact will be marked as such in Signal.
This was a case of the folks in charge failing to understand how Signal works, and a staffer being just as oblivious or intentionally exploiting that lack of knowledge.
Crap just pisses me off. The left is constantly looking for anything little thing to howl at the moon over. Any screw up will be magnified. Shi% happens, I get it, but Trump’s administration should damn well know they can’t let their guard down, ever. Whether this was human error or malicious.
Apparently, it was not NSA Mike Waltz, but his deputy Alex Wong who created the Signal chat group to discuss the operation against the Houthis.
It seems Wong invited cabinet members and added journalist Jeffrey Goldberg. Whether intentionally or by accident remains unknown.
–S Keshel
https://x.com/acpandy/status/1904546574660739407
Spin the Plan
TIM RUSSERT: There’s an article in The New Yorker magazine by Jeffrey Goldberg which connects Iraq and Saddam Hussein with Al Qaeda. What can you tell me about it?
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/interview-the-vice-president-meet-the-press-nbc
“They’ve got a screw loose.”
Alex Wong? Wow. A good Anglo-Saxon name if I ever heard one!! /s
Wong? Really! Honest to God!
Aren’t we glad that President Trump brought back the firing squad for executions! If Alex Wong is the guilty one, let’s use him as an example and have a public execution on live TV, but first put him in stocks in front of the White house for a week or so. Treason should not be taken lightly.
The Atlantic is a threat to democracy.
“It’s The Atlantic — it’s failing. It’s probably going to be out of business soon.”
–Donald J. Trump March 25, 2025
https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1904702819006816352
-In 2015, Trump made a prophetic call on Syria. He was right, again…
https://revolver.news/2025/03/back-in-2015-trump-made-a-prophetic-call-on-syria-he-was-right-again/
If Rubio, the question is why has he got the number in his phone index. Does he call him at home. Why was there no clean out of numbers when they take up positions. Hillary used a blackberry. A non private server and BleachBit.
President Trump needs to order polygraphs for everyone on that Signal chat (minus the Deep State reporter — save him for espionage charges).
True. Goldberg wouldn’t have 1A protection here as he didn’t get “the story” from a “source”. He could be rolled up into a conspiracy/espionage investigation that could get pretty hairy.
Feeling grateful that Elon has volunteered his Tech support services to us… he is a mixed bag!! … would be GREAT to identify who, what, when & how this was done!
Take the list used to invite and ask each name if they attended. Or, take the list and verify each name and associated number. Where does the Goldberg number appear….or has it been wiped away?
Keep mouth shut,
Hopefully, Musk will identify who did what. The CIA staffer must be terminated and prosecuted for as many violations of federal statutes that are applicable.
Shot across the bow revenge for the JFK Files.
The Beast is embarrassed.
I wonder how many more of these will be discovered? I really believe the “Deep State” operation is still looking to eavesdrop and undermine President Trump’s team.
I really can’t stand Laura Ingrahm…she’s just a small improvement over Margaret Brennan
JannB,
Laura’s treatment after the 2020 theft was just too much for me. Can’t stand her.
https://ugetube.com/watch/white-hats-new-intellectual-froglegs_9bOYUc6OqHheiIk.html
(Laura is at the 23:30 mark)
She and the other BETRAYERS are all covered in this 2021 edition of Intellectual Froglegs ^^^
Be still
The Truth will set us all free .
I will be long dead before Jesus comes back. As Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life!”
Can we fire the CIA tech team and bar them from future Federal or contract employment?
How about just fire the CIA.
The CIA, just like the FBI, must be brought to heel. They probably need more than a swat across the nose with a newspaper to get them trained but it MUST be done. Turning DOGE lose on them is just the first step. Until they understand that they are part of the executive branch under the authority of the President, they are just a bunch of rogue agents doing whatever they think up.
If they can’t be trained, they have to be eliminated. If left untrained they are a danger to the free world and a boon to our enemies. Plus, they don’t appear to be too smart.
Well there is always a legal disclaimer about misdirected communication both verbal and written and that as the recipient of misdirected communication you are to disengage and notify the sender or organizer. So perhaps Goldie needs a big slap for not leaving the chat ? Maybe a charge of eavesdropping.
I think the assistant did it, whether with intent or without intent remains to be seen.
Who cares what MSM thinks or says? Biden couldn’t form a sentence or walk up stairs and MSM covered for him.
are we surprised?
hell, no
not after assassination attempts, etc.
this is chunk change
do not use the system again
I wonder if the CIA is concerned that Elon’s team is investigating? They have knowledge that is probably well beyond the CIA minions and could possibly determine what happened.
His response is a little goofy to me. I can understand if they need to keep it close to the vest until investigation is finished but if the official story continues to be it was an accident then it doesn’t pass the smell test. A leftist “reporter” doesn’t just get in a chat like that without someone’s willful intent. If they come out and say the CIA did it, good, but I hope it isn’t said to be a pure accident… Need to get to the bottom and expose the culprit to curb the media/politician use of this performance.
In politics, there are no “pure accidents” … just as there are no coincidences.
If accurate this is easy. You find the person who set it up. You parade him in front of the cameras and have him/her explain what happened. Publicly shaming the individual and the agency will go a VERY long way.
Sundance: “As I repeated earlier, the most likely origination of the mis-attribution is the intelligence community, specifically the CIA. The entire fiasco originates as an operation targeting the Trump administration. Mike Waltz says he is not a conspiracy theorist, but indicates he too thinks something like this is quite possible.”
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Whoa, Nellie!
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The “vast majority of the multi-thousands of federal employees” who weaponized the biden’s Executive Branch of the federal government against its citizens for the past 8 years …. where are they? (rhetorical)
On 3/26/25, it is not a mystery ….. they are still in the 2025 Trump Executive Branch of the federal government …… the vast majority in the DOJ and the 3-letter agencies ….. and they continue to ply their treasonous wares, dangerously unabated.
…… SignalGate being the “XX du jour”…… (Double-Cross System or XX System of WWII)
Elon tried to bring D.O.G.E. into those departments but was kept out by the cabinet and department heads ….. leaving the vast number of employees, who weaponized the Executive Branch of the federal government against its citizens for the past 8 years, within the walls.
JMO. It is critical that Elon and D.O.G.E be allowed to enter those departments and remove the thousands of those employees who weaponized the Executive Branch of the federal government against its citizens for the past 8 years in addition to doing D.O.G.E.’s other audit work.
MAGA isn’t just our motto, it is our duty!
I ask again, would not that mean that Ratcliff is dirty? Or ignorant? Neither is good.
I’d characterize him as unremarkable.
Modern technology, ain’t it grand. After all is said and done, it still just looks to me like the left and the clowns supporting them are nothing but twelve-year-old schoolgirls who just can’t wait to gossip about the girl not in their group. This is just beyond childish and stupid. Seriously, what adults think any of this isn’t ridiculous. The only thing missing was old Chuckie Schmuckie repeating his “six ways of Sunday” comment. If I were Trump I would have called out the complete anti-Americanism of this potato head, Goldberg. What a twinkie that soy boy is. Holding on to his ill-gotten info until the SSCI meeting. Yeah, what a coinky dink. I swear we have mental midgets in too many high places in this country, and Trump just looks around and sighs at all the idiocy he has to endure.
Well, I don’t know why I came here tonight
I got the feeling that something ain’t right
I’m so scared in case I fall off my chair
And I’m wondering how I’ll get down the stairs
[Chorus]
Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you
Yeah, just another insider set up…
Find who did this “mistake” and SCREW THEM TO THE WALL!
This setup is inexcusable…there is a rat in the woodpile…
FIRE THEM!
re: “We may discover that somehow the name Marco Rubio was attributed to the phone number of Jeffrey Goldberg. Rubio was reportedly on the chat, but didn’t say anything.”
It seems a voice ‘roll call’ would prevent this kind of thing from happening, short of FULL VETTING of the ID#’s versus phone numbers, but now we are getting back into 2FA (2 Factor Authentication) territory so …
This would rather bother me what Sundance posted. I think Rubio has done a fantastic job so far.
I agree with you, but he was the only Cabinet member to have the support of 100 percent of the democrats. That is a screaming RED FLAG.
Mike Waltz says he is not a conspiracy theorist
Then, frankly, that alone says he doesn’t have the proper mindset for his position… unless he’s lying to avoid the “conspiracy nut” stigma.
Anyone else see something wrong with this picture?
“Musk’s technical team are working through an investigative process to discover how that happened.“
We pay trillions to our intelligence services then need to hire a private team to do the work we need done.
FUBAR!
re: “then need to hire a private team to do the work we need done.”
Intelligence services are compromised; much double-speak, subterfuge and ‘covering of butts’ (more or less standard in eny hierarchical organization with pensions, etc to protect) in everything they say and do.
I’m thinking that was part of what Elle was trying to get across.
That’s the only course to take, when the intelligence service itself is the source of the problems.
“Physician, heal thyself” ain’t gonna cut it here.
What surprises me is that we regular folks KNEW that Signa was a CIA tool years ago. What the heck guys???
In a previous post about this, other commenters mentioned that if this conversation was truly important, they would have used government platforms for the discussion, not Signal. So now I wonder if this whole situation wasn’t just a trap to ferret-out another globalist backstabber. People are saying it was Waltz’ deputy, Alex Wong. I don’t know, but whoever it was, they exposed themself with this little gambit so they can be fired. If nothing else, that’s the silver lining to this story.
It’s good that Waltz went right at Goldberg and did not shut the door on this being an op.
Name dropping Elon will frighten the people responsible. He has tools available to him that will allow them to see if the staffer edited the contact, if someone pushed the updated contact, etc.
The Atlantic knows that Goldberg hopping on a chat under false pretenses exposes them to legal risk.
Legal risk? I would think so. Do you think Barbie Bondi has time to add an investigation to her list? Wouldn’t it interfere with her Fox TV appearances?
I very matter-of-factly state that “conversations like these don’t take place on public chat services.” Someone staged this talk, and put a reporter onto it. A very peculiar form of public disclosure.
When these people need to discuss TOP secrets, they have secure and monitored means to do so. This was not that … I have no idea who cooked this crazy thing up, nor why.
This wasn’t controversial: this was planned.
“this was planned”
Absolutely. From above:
Sundance: “As I repeated earlier, the most likely origination of the mis-attribution is the intelligence community, specifically the CIA. The entire fiasco originates as an operation targeting the Trump administration. Mike Waltz says he is not a conspiracy theorist, but indicates he too thinks something like this is quite possible.
(1) The CIA tech team organized the Signal App operation (directory manipulation). That’s how Goldberg got in. (2) Jeffrey Goldberg held the story until the day before the scheduled SSCI hearing. (3) The SSCI uses the hearing to attack the Trump officials at the top of the critical silos.”
Most basically: “the Cabinet will not use ‘civilian-grade crypto’ to engage in Secret conversations among themselves. They will use military-grade crypto on secure devices, and there will be staff actively monitoring the conversation to ensure that it remains secret. (The parties to the conversation can therefore “expect” total security, without concerning themselves with details.)
If they used “Signal,” in the first place – civilian crypto – then that was a set-up. If they then included a particular journalist, that also was a set-up. And, indeed, The Atlantic promptly did precisely what they were expected to do. They were handed a story, albeit in an unusual way, and they promptly ran it.
But you will of course find that no classified information was ever actually disclosed.
Are you sure it’s not someone in collusion with the DOJ’s audio person?
Elon may want to check out the person who started playing loud music as Atty Gen Pam Bondi started to introduce President Trump when he was visiting the DOJ.
She was completely drowned out and it can still be said the name President Donald J Trump has never been uttered, or at least heard, in the Dept of Justice.
By the way, our Atty General was oblivious as it happened, not only right under her nose, but in her face, because she kept talking and smiling and then ignored what came next.
I was in my car, listening thru my speakers, as I usually do with vids and podcasts, and where I had just been startled with the loud band music, suddenly I couldn’t turn the volume up loud enough to hear Trump speak.
It’s a very pissy mean spiteful small thing to do, and I have only seen it happen before during children’s events, once by an errant parent turning down everyone’s mic in a group so obviously low, especially compared to the group before, that she was forced to turn it up by demand and, in another venue, by an equally psycho stage mgr, caught turning down the volume of just one kid’s mic as the group sang and played instruments.
Pam immediately left the stage and should have made a beeline for the audio guy, if only for a second to do the peace sign from her eyes to theirs, because Trump’s mic remained turned down the whole time, unabated.
Pam looked like a feckless idiot and she let Trump get played as well.
Compared to other enclosed spaces, where Trump and others are on blast all the time, like the Oval Office or White House Press room and, of course, full volume is not needed, it was ridiculous.
Someone needs to check out the DOJ audio guy, or DEI alphabet girl or whoever they turn out to be.
I am increasingly convinced the Signal op was a monkey trap. And Jeffrey Goldberg is the monkey.
“Say anything,” huh?
Projection?
https://nypost.com/2025/03/26/us-news/atlantic-editor-jeff-goldberg-weighs-releasing-more-war-plans-texts/
It’s strange, if Marco Rubio was to be on the chat, that no one (Waltz nor anyone else) asked if he had anything to add or would like to comment. What’s the point of inviting him if he’s not going to add his opinion on supposedly something important enough to get the group together? It’s not like he’s just some chump forced to be there.
Me thinks this is the golden nugget. If the contact information had Marco Rubio with Goldberg’s phone number pre-loaded that seems like something that could quite easily be traced. Who set up the contact list? That Marco Rubio was totally quiet in the chat is the tell (IMHO).
Marco Rubio double spy?
Just in, Jeffrey Goldberg has published more of the texts to dispute “no war plans” and “classified info”.
I just saw that report on Fox and Friends. Debatable as to whether the added detail was war plans, much less classified, but this is an obvios attempt to get scalps by the deep state and the DEMS. As usual, Sundance was spot on.
Do we really need a CIA? We went without one for a long time and got along just fine.
be paranoid they really are out to get you. Remember Michael Flynn ,played like a fiddle by 2 FBI agents. Find the person/persons who did this and charge them,fire them, if you want to stop the DEM/DEEP STATE from exploiting what they think is a beachhead act quickly
Do you think people doing this did so on own volition?
Not likely.
Citizen Free Press has link to The Atlantic article posting the entire chat/texts. On the surface, some of the details revealed don’t reflect favorably on this group. (But what do I know?)
Full chat transcript from The Atlantic
https://archive.is/T4RTF
From Citizen Free Press:
The Atlantic just published the texts. Wow. Talk about a big nothing burger.
https://archive.is/T4RTF
So they saw texts about hitting targets. Jeez. Big deal. But they got what they wanted. They filed a dopey lawsuit about violating the “federal records act” and this morning just by a snap of your fingers, it is assigned to judge boasburg.
It’s a very strange “stunt,” and I have no idea who cooked it up, but it is a “stunt” and nothing more. There are secure protocols for cabinet-level discussions, and “this ain’t it!” 🤡
Probably, they knew that this journalist was too naïve to stop and think about it. They knew what he would immediately do, and he did. Yet, no actual secrets were told.
But, I also think that the entire concept was decidedly unprofessional and unwise. Do not do this again.
This is an amazing set of circumstances. The explanation is plausible but still overly complicated. It would be interesting to know more about how the Signal app was managed but this and many other things we can never know.
Marco Rubio needs to explain this from his end.
But here’s the PROBLEM with the new claims.
Goldberg says he received an invitation.
When was Marco Rubio initially added into Signal contacts? When was this “invitation” received? Has Marco Rubio ever used the Signal app?
The questions this comes down to are whether or not Rubio was involved and how this contact information was added or changed.
All that said, I commented previously that Goldberg would have been identified under a false name. The chats show BOTH the initials AND the full name. Goldberg used a false name. I just created my own Signal profile. I was given my default account name (in my case based on a google account login because I’m using a google android phone) and then presented with the opportunity to correct/change it. Therefore it’s reasonable to assume the user experience is the same for iPhone users (iPhone users? Feel free to report your findings!) I also find the contacts source is unmanaged by the app. So whoever manages the contacts is in part, a guilty party.
To the extent local contact information controls or overrides local profile data is untested. I’m working on setting up tests at this moment. I would encourage others to test as well. It’s accessible research most of us can do.
If you are using a google fone I would think google knows everything you do…
So what did CIA expect to get out of this whole setup? Making some people big mad? Did they really think Waltz or Pete were gonna get fired? They must be dumb as dirt with this childish crap.
I realized something last night after watching all the reporting on this big deal…not. Do the Republicans ….Democrats, actually think anyone gives a shit about this? Don’t they know this just goes in one ear and out the other for those watching this drama production? Then I thought why all the drama…..Fund raising. OK now it makes since. They ALL are putting on a show for those of us that will throw our money out the window.
They run in the same social circles and Goldberg has said Walz contacted him 2 days prior. I understand the CIA thinking but something smells doesnt it?
Wrongly you say? Well then whoever did it needs to lose their job as they’re inept or they did it on purpose. Either or is a reason to dismiss.