When Vice-President JD Vance delivers prepared remarks about Artificial Intelligence, pay attention.
JD Vance is the 2028 presidential candidate of choice for the Technocrats; the current goal is to envelop the MAGA populist movement for the intents and purposes of the collective network of Technocrats.
This motive and intent baseline will not change as Vance positions to replace President Donald Trump.
During a speech to the American Dynamism Summit, JD Vance outlines his optimism for the future of the U.S. economy, as boosted by the technological advances in artificial intelligence.
Within his remarks, Vance correctly notes some voices are saying there is going to be a major fracture between the “Techno-optimists” and the “populists.” However, Vance defines that chasm, and then refutes that fear/concern around jobs, advanced AI, automation, innovation and the economy. He misses what will be the root cause of the fracture completely.
Vice-President Vance notes there is nothing to fear from innovation, artificial intelligence, robotics and advanced industrial application of emerging technology. Indeed, all facets of economic growth through the use of all the aforementioned enterprises are correctly framed by the vice president.
There is nothing to fear on the economic front from the technological advancements currently underway.
Let me repeat, before I get misinterpreted….
Everything JD Vance says about the economic future of the United States, against the backdrop of innovation and AI is accurate. JD Vance is 100% correct. However, that’s not the predictable root cause of the upcoming fracture between the Techno-Optimists (his term) and the MAGA populists.
The fracture is going to come as an outcome of how AI networks with government and then destroys privacy, liberty and ultimately freedom for Americans.
It is not the economic side of the AI system Vance supports on behalf of his benefactors that is problematic; it’s the creation of a compliant surveillance state that flows as a natural outcome of advanced and automated AI systems within a highly weaponized government. That’s the problem. That where the fracture will occur.
Techno-optimists are not paying any attention to how their beloved AI networking can be weaponized in a surveillance state. When you combine fully automated AI data processing with ‘Real ID’, facial recognition software, digital identities created for each American and the motives of govt, you can easily predict what comes next.
The U.S. surveillance system can then be fine-tuned (depending on who is in charge of it) to use the real-time digital and physical identity to control access to systems. Write a Facebook post critical of government, get blocked from your bank account. Do something defined by government as against their interests, lose your access to travel etc.
The problem for Americans is how advanced AI will be deployed under the guise of efficiency to create a comprehensive DHS surveillance state.
The predictable system will automate, connecting every aspect of our lives to our compliance in living that life in the manner approved by those who control the system.
Privacy, freedom and liberty, core fundamental principles of our American system, are replaced with surveillance and defined citizen compliance. These are the pesky issues JD Vance and his Techno-Optimists (Thiel, Sacks, Musk, Ellison, et al) do not want to consider when they think about those pesky ‘proles’ they call “populists.”
Vice-President JD Vance has been constructed as the palatable messenger to calm the fears of MAGA. To calm those AI fears, Vance focuses attention to the well-discussed AI issues around jobs, labor and employment as outlined in his speech.
Listen carefully. However, the issue is not economics, it’s about privacy and liberty. WATCH:
“Techno-optimists are not paying any attention to how their beloved AI networking can be weaponized in a surveillance state. “
I suspect that they are fully aware of the dangers and look forward to the implementation.
I asked my bff Grok3 for it’s opinion. It said “Fight! Fight! Fight!” That is always the answer for any future. No matter who or what is running the world, we will only have freedom equal to our fight. “Pick your utopia or dystopia”
Grok:
” If AI systems become deeply integrated into daily life, like managing cities, healthcare, or security, privacy could take a hit because of how these systems work: they thrive on data. More data means better performance, so the incentive is to collect everything—your location, habits, conversations, even your heartbeat if wearables go mainstream.
Look at today’s trajectory. Companies like Google and Meta already track your searches, clicks, and social ties to sell ads. Governments, like China with its social credit system, use AI to monitor behavior via cameras and phone data, down to who you meet and what you buy. In El Salvador, Bukele’s gang crackdown since 2022 relies on mass surveillance—phone taps, facial recognition, and AI to flag suspects, often with little oversight. Privacy’s already shrinking where AI scales up.
If AI “runs the world,” it might amplify this. Imagine an AI optimizing traffic flow: it’d need real-time data on every car, every pedestrian—your commute becomes an open book. Healthcare AI could predict your illnesses before you feel sick, but it’d know your DNA, diet, and stress levels. The trade-off is efficiency versus exposure. Some argue you’d still have privacy if laws or ethics keep AI in check—think encrypted data or opt-out rights. Europe’s GDPR tries this, fining companies that overstep. But enforcement lags, and not every place cares—look at how X posts get scraped for training models despite user complaints.
On the flip side, AI could protect privacy if designed to. Decentralized systems, like blockchain paired with AI, might let you control your data, sharing only what you want. But that assumes tech evolves against the profit motive of big players and the control itch of states. History says power doesn’t like blind spots—Roman census, Soviet files, NSA leaks. AI just makes the net finer.
So, will you have privacy? Probably some, but less than now, unless people fight for it—hard. It’ll depend on who wins: the coders, the regulators, or the users. Pick your dystopia or utopia; the tech can swing either way.”
You are spot on Sundance
JD is a chameleon. He will take whatever position the person standing in front of him takes.
One thing is for sure, the MAGA coalition, writ large, will not vote for him.
We all saw what almost happened with the covid passport.
Now combine a covid passport with facial recognition.
Facial recognition cameras whenever you enter a buiding.
Whenever you enter a post office, a public library, a toll road interstate, a public school . . . ENTRY DENIED.
Now take the REAL ID . . . it can be made into a Covid passport very easily.
REAL ID can be made into a “you’re a Trump supporter” passport very easily.
It can be made into a “you own a Tesla” passport very easily.
Or whatever else the government wants to target.
Real ID linked to a facial recognition system that has collected all of your personal information, to artificial intelligence that has categorized you along a hundred parameters.
This information can be weaponized by government and business, by billionaires foreign and domestic, to build “their paradise” of perfect control, to require you to BUY THINGS FROM THEM, whether experimental injections or broccoli or health insurance, to require compliance with whatever they wish.
We have all seen the level of compliance that governments are willing to enforce.
Excluding people from seeing their loved ones dying in the hospital; excluding people from transplants, from medical care (“I won’t treat a patient who’s a Trump supporter”); excluding people from being outside without a mask, from walking the “wrong way” in a store.
And that was compliance along only one variable: Did you take an experimental injection?
Now add one hundred variables.
And the value (good or bad) of any variable can change.
Just recently, a person who rode a Tesla was probably signaling “I’m a liberal who cares about the environment.”
Now these Tesla drivers are being targeted by other liberals for buying the wrong car.
FEMA passed over saving people who had Trump signs in their yard.
With weaponized AI, these government employees could have determined whom not to serve without bothering to hunt for yard signs.
…..
But there should be software/encryption/deception technological responses to at least some of this data collection.
We need full encryption of cell phones and internet, full anonymity through encryption, and thus free speech and people unafraid to speak, a government unable to target people with AI because countervailing AI systems confuse and disrupt the signal to third party interlopers.
I’m not a software engineer, but I know a software engineer who says the creation of such privacy systems is possible.
“Now combine a covid passport with facial recognition.”
Now combine a covid passport, facial recognition, and government issued digital currency.
This is not Regitiger.
This is a spammer of unknown provenance giving grammatical and phraseological indications of being located in India, but that could be faked by any Derp agency with the capacity to steal legitimate handles and avatars and post comments in their name and image, bypassing normal moderation protocols.
The unanswered question, besides who and how, is why this is being done.
Excellent post. All of these threats will become existential within 10 years. But will there be technology that is able to effectively thwart government surveillance within 10 years? Within 20 years? 50 years? Ever? I very much doubt it.
AI will be weaponized by government, of that there is no doubt, and I think the weaponization will become so oppressive that we will face the choice of tolerating the technology (and the oppression) or rejecting it entirely.
And I believe that controversy is coming soon. I don’t see any way that freedom-loving Americans will cooperate with a surveillance state, no matter how unthreatening JD Vance tries to make it sound.
The technology we have strips all privacy away already. I have looked at some forums where privacy is discussed, and the hoops you have to jump through to try to preserve some online privacy are daunting. And one still gets the sense that you can’t preserve it anyway (see “browser fingerprinting”).
I’m afraid you are quite right. Once the technocrats figure out something can be done, it is only a matter of time before it is done.
I suspect we are headed to a “Tower of Babel” moment in History. Whether you believe in the Old Testament. stories or not, there seems to be a part of the Human psyche that prevents over centralization and control. Civilizations have risen and fallen throughout history. When they get too powerful and centralized they soon collapse. The Roman empire collapsed and was followed by the Middle Ages where tribalism and a multitude of small fiefdoms. Western Civilization has advanced as far as it has because it emphasis on the individual and the people controlling government. I see AI as a threat to this. It is a weapon that the power crazed among us can use to realize their dream of total control. Before that is fully implemented modern civilization will collapse because of the nature of man or Devine intervention, if you are religious. Chaos will rule again and civilization will have to start over again minus AI.
Very true. It’s why I don’t bother even trying to maintain on-line privacy. It doesn’t really exist. Anything I post on this site is about the most active I am on-line, which isn’t much. After the “looks” that I get when I tell people I don’t have Facebook or “The Gram” or anything at all, I’ve been waiting for the social media equivalent of the Affordable Healthcare Act, where you have to subscribe to social media and post a certain minimum of posts or face a tax penalty. Seriously, when people ask and I tell them that I’m not on any of it, they look at me like I’m from outer space. Most people are sadly begging for surveillance.
I can certainly envision Apple implementing such encryption software on there various devices and giving the user the option to activate it.
I believe that Apple’s recent software update states Apple reserves the right to install new apps without consent. I believe the ‘health app’ that suddenly appeared during the plandemic is just one example.
Argh!!! Sundance!!! Thank you for the truth. It hurts. We need to know and do what we can.
Thiel = German homosexual and JD Vance’s mentor.
We’re almost to the point of a “cashless society” right now. Combined with smartphones and cameras everywhere, the grim future that some predict is already upon us for the most part. As Bill Pullman ominously said in the movie Twister, “It’s already here.”
This is where I depart from many Treepers. It doesn’t really bother me. I’m pretty much cashless anyway. I carry a few bucks of worthless green paper for incidentals like gum or a Coke or a candy bar, but everything else goes on the card. I learned this from Robert A. Heinlein’s famous character Lazarus Long: If somebody wants to sit in front of a monitor screen and watch me scratch my hiney or pick my nose, hey knock yourself silly. I’m too old to give a damn. Sometimes I even make a point of mugging for the exit cameras at Wally World. “Hi Mom!”
Like Sundance said, Vance ignores the most important part, which is not at all about the economics of the thing. And so did you ignore the most important part.
And just like *that* people will choose the wide gate to eternal damnation. Without so much as a second thought.
Some will choose, but most will ignorantly become servants of the state.
“We’re almost to the point of a “cashless society” right now.”
This makes me weep. I pay cash for almost everything, unless I need a flight, hotel room, or a rental car. They want to trade it away for convenience. Yeah, the convenience that I experience when I’m behind them in line, trying over and over to get their damn phone to pay for something and it doesn’t work. Then they go to use their card (that they could have done from the beginning) and then there’s a problem with that. The whole experience sort of takes the convenience out of going to a convenience store.
Any business that has cameras automatically enters you every time you walk into a store or business.
Them little cards we get from everywhere have stored (ESG) items that we purchase and it’s never been about giving us a couple bucks off.
Insurance companies monitor your driving especially if you got one of them little trackers to “Save” you money 🤣
2011-2015 person of interest is kinda eerie to rewatch because biologicals come up which we would never have thought back then and Palantir is even mentioned and most of us have had no clue
I read the article with interest, earlier on today, but wasn’t inclined to comment since Sundance pretty well nailed it and also I more-or-less said words to this effect myself here, somewheres back around Christmas/New Year’s…
…- After giving it some further thought, however, I will add this much to the convo: – Y’all remember, back during ‘Teh Great New Year’s H1-B Bunfight’, where The Almighty Elon (PBUH) told all y’all to “Literally Go F*ck Your Own Face[s]” if you didn’t agree with the position he was pushing?…
…- Yeah, well… – That kinda online meltdown, coming from a *53 Year Old*, is the behaviour of a *Confirmed* Infantile Egomaniac Man-Child…
…- So understand, when alla the the sh*t Sundance is outlining here finally comes down (and *It Indeed Will* if we all continue along the current trajectory), just remember: – This is the type of guy (or some underling mook with an *Even Worse* psychopathology (or, eg: a less-than-room-temperature IQ)) who’ll get to decide where your Social Credit Score is currently at, should you have the brazen, naked temerity to happen to dare to talk out of school and hurt their precious feely-weelys…
…- Oh and, per my Christmas/New Years’ comment I mentioned above, *All* of the above *Will* be *Necessarily* privatized, with alla the usual attendant El-Goog/Twatter/Farcebook ‘Terms of Service’ and dial-a-number ‘press 1 for this, press 2 for that, or leave-a-message-after-the-tone-and-we’ll-get-back-to-you’ BS…
…- And, for sure, y’all will be at *Perfect Liberty* to go howl at the moon, if you so choose, before you’ll get *ANY* sort of recourse/redress/due-process, etc., cos’ that’s about alla the liberty any one of us’ll have left at that point, so good luck with that… – The very heat-death of the universe itself’ll come quicker…
It didn’t take nearly as long for him to completely drop his mask as I suspected it would. So nice of him to declare the side of liberty which he stands with and for. Only fools will ever vote for him as President.
Never sold on JD.
Trump chose JD.
Trump chose Elon.
Trump chose Bondi.
Trump chose ….
I sense a pattern. Perhaps you don’t trust Trump or you expect perfection.
Sign me up as the first fool. Can’t help but to start taking shots even 4 years down the line. What has the guy done wrong but call out European leaders for the trash they are. But, hey, we found something we can pound him on so lets go. The conspiracy theories on all the hated people here really haven’t turned out to be true. Do I have to list again starting with Tulsi, RFK, Tucker, JD, who weren’t loyal Republicans. Hey lets look at Trump and Reagan next.
Every breathe you take….
Count on it
The 4th Amendment needs to be as cherished and defended as the 2nd and the 1st.
Exactly.
This is what everyone is forgetting, the elephant in the room. That would be our Constitution, the Bill of Rights, The Declaration of Independence and the rights afforded us by our creator and these beautiful documents.
The men who signed these documents did so at great costs. I believe they would never use language like the die is cast, nothing you can do about it now because this AI technology is here and more important than the rights they fought so valiantly to give us. No wonder Adams said our Constitution is only for a moral and religious people.
Can Congressmen today be moral who allow the ongoing FISA 702 authorization, knowing full well it takes away our 4th Amendment protection, and is a direct assault on our Constitution?
Can anyone in government be moral by allowing AI technology to flourish at the expense of our Constitution, and the rights afforded us by this document?
I know what Adams would say. I know what Jefferson would say. I know what Madison would say.
We need more men like this.
Thank you for this Sundance.
Well, here comes the ‘Serious’ Technological-Era. All Eras previous had humans running the show. Now the Tech-Era humans (except for the almighty few) will be supernumerary, downgraded to brainless chores to keep the Techno almighty few in the manner to which they are accustomed. Gates wants to shrink the number of humans on the planet. This could be the beginning of the human roundups.
To cut it short, the Technocrats WILL BE IN CHARGE.
I guess it depends on what TYPE of people they are, ie Trump/Musk types? or Obama/Democrat types?
Mark of the Beast system incoming.
What can we do about it now? The dye is already cast.
DIE
RESIST and point out the DOWNSIDE.
Let’s move right to the top of the New World Order food chain*
World Economic Forum ‘Futurist’ Yuval Harari (see image in link below)
“Humans are now ‘hackable’ animals. This whole idea that humans have this ‘soul’ or ‘spirit’ and nobody knows what’s happening inside them, and they have free will – that’s over.”
How our unelected ‘Betters’ intend to ultimately ‘enslave’ the human race:
By means of hackable digital identification microchip implantation, cognitive programming and reprogramming, and concluding with universal program deletions after the WEF determines that the hacked human unit has outlived its usefulness.
Wide Awake Media
@wideawake_media
🔥What do we need so many humans for?”🔥
WEF Futurist Yuval Noah Harari
Leading advisor to the WEF, Yuval Noah Harari, “predicts” that rapid advances in computing technology will “make humans redundant”, creating a “massive class of useless people” who will need to be kept “happy” with “drugs and computer games”.
🔥Yuval Noah Harari:🔥
“Now, we see the creation of a new massive class of useless people.
“As ‘computers’ become better and better in more and more fields, there is a distinct possibility that:
“Computers will ‘outperform’ us in most tasks and will make humans ‘redundant.’
“And then the big political and economic ‘question’ of the 21st century will be:
“What do we need ‘humans’ for?
“Or at least, what do we need ‘so many humans’ for?”
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https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1737470143242829887?t=cyXxiQ7dsQN5XTEwl0gwtA&s=01
What do we need humans for?
https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/who-needs-human-beings/
In addition to privacy and security which is important too, job loss is even greater. The government has always had access to our private information but the job loss is far greater. When AI does all of our work, what do we then do? Eat and get fat?
We are killed off. Why feed and house people when it is more economical to kill them?
In addition to privacy and security which is important too, job loss is even greater. The government has always had access to our private information but the job loss is far greater. When AI does all of our work, what do we then do? Eat and get fat?
I was in graduate school for engineering, and no one ever asked any moral questions about doing things. We do, because we can.
I concluded that that world was dominated by soulless monsters who would rejoice if they invented a new way to slaughter billions of people, if it were just more efficient, and had an elegant delivery system.
That’s the same vibe I get from “techno-optimists”.
Once the technocrats figure out something can be done, and how to do it, it is only a matter of time before they do it.
What a lot of folks are starting to finally notice is that all of their beloved devices are, in fact, almost always listening. Had a dust-up with someone a while back about the goofy Alexa devices.
I pointed out how I had been at a friend’s house, we were discussing some subject matter that was ridiculously ‘niche’, to say the least. The kind of stuff I hadn’t discussed with anyone in years and only at that time b/c the friend happens to be very knowledgeable about said subject, and I was getting an education. By the next morning, I had advertisements for these things on my cell phone, in email, and website ads. It is commercially available ‘goods’, just very unlikely to come up in normal conversation.
So, I relay this story amongst a different group of friends one afternoon, and get into a debate with one friend.
“Those devices are not listening to you until you say their name!”
No. They are always listening, they only -respond- when you say their name. They have to listen to everything just in case you do say their name.
“The lights don’t even light up until you say their name!”
You think an electronic device can’t be smart enough to only show the ‘activity’ lights when you’re engaging with it in its pre-programmed interface after saying its name? You don’t think the software couldn’t be written to ‘hide’ activity lights on its whim? This is likely the algorithm: “power-on->go into listen mode->check for name-called->name called?->show lights and begin interaction: else stay in listen mode”.
“I’m telling you, they don’t listen…”
So you just believe it w/zero proof…
“The service provider says it in their brochure!”
Ah, so they’re the first vendor to be 100% honest about their technology.. and not bury the truth in weasel-word legalese deep on page 57 of the contract?
“… bah!”
At any rate, this was several years ago when those devices first came out. I will never have one in my house, and especially so of late. People are voluntarily being surveilled by using those things.
Side-note: at the time of the original conversation at my friend’s house, my phone was powered off. Now, I can’t obviously state that it was -really- off, so my ad-blitz could’ve come from my phone listening just as well. That’s my point though, you can’t really be sure anything is ever off unless it is unplugged from power (and has no internal battery/power-source). Your phone being ‘cold to the touch’ is also no proof… a very low-power mode of operation would likely not warm it up noticeably.
Also, being ‘off the network’ b/c no network is in reach, or otherwise being in ‘airplane mode’ are also no hindrance to data-collection. Any interruption of ‘connection’ just means the device stores whatever info it may collect and relays it ‘home’ when it re-connects to some network.
Silent-mode only means just that… that the device will be silent and dark… not that it’s not still on and monitoring. People often confuse ‘silent mode’ with “its off and not listening”.
Anyway… if its not obvious, count me in the ‘dont trust this stuff’ camp.
Technology is inevitable. The real challenge lies in using new tools in ways that will benefit all of us in the nation, rather than simply empowering those enemies who live among us and pretend to be good neighbors until they feel confident enough to attack. Better security starts with matters more fundamental than surveillance tech. It begins with deporting the people who refuse to even pretend to be good neighbors. Do away with globalism, do away with birthright citizenship, and close the damned borders. Once those fundamental steps are taken, then this emerging surveillance tech becomes more relevant.
I agree with Sundance 100% on this. It is astonishing to me that after the last Trump Administration that everybody can’t see the lack of limits that those that are bent on the destruction of the rights and liberty of the American Citizen at the hands of their own Government. I mean, come on here, look at what the Government even tried to do to their own President. Now figure how much worse that could’ve gotten had all that technology they’re talking about here been in existence then? NO WAY.
Remember (1) all humans are fallible and many (most) are untrustworthy and (2) humans program AI.
Anyone who does not see potential problems with AI is either ignorant (real or purposely) or actively involved in pushing AI.
Turning over things to “intelligent” AI is bound to have bad results in the end.
It cannot be any other way.
Time to purchase 500 acres somewhere and get off the grid for good.
My attitude toward AI can be summed up in two words: “Hello Dave”
This was already done to many during Covid through debunking and demonetization. In Canada, as well, when the truckers protested. A quick rewatch of minority report might be beneficial.
I wonder if JD will visit Sea Island or has been there already
We keep forgetting human nature is flawed to its core.