Knowing that President Trump has essentially stopped the Ukraine/NATO/IC/EU offensive combat operations for Ukraine that use western supplied drones/missiles with complete reliance on U.S/NATO targeting, it does not come as a surprise to see Ukraine President Zelenskyy call for a “sky and sea truce.”
Zelenskyy’s proposal for Russia to stop the air and sea combat operations, while simultaneously supporting frontline combat operations, is essentially an EU effort to maintain the fight by counteracting the Trump pressure point.
EU spokesperson Volodymyr Zelenskyy doesn’t factually want a ceasefire; they want a situation that retains the status quo and neuters Russia’s strategic advantage.
EU News – Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called for an air and sea truce on Friday after Russia bombarded Ukraine’s energy infrastructure overnight.
Writing on Telegram, he reiterated that there must be “silence” in the seas and skies over Ukraine. The “first steps toward real peace must include forcing the sole source of this war, Russia, to stop such attacks against life,” the Ukrainian leader said.
Russia targeted Ukraine’s energy infrastructure overnight in a large-scale missile and drone attack, Ukrainian officials said Friday.
[…] The attack came hours after Zelenskyy announced that talks with the US on ending the three-year war would take place in Saudi Arabia next week. (read more)
President Trump knows there is no external pressure that can weaken the strategic advantages of Russia. The only substantive action that would impact Putin would be U.S. military to join even deeper with Ukraine, and that’s not about to happen.
The only option to bring both to the table with the same mindset is to force Zelenskyy (essentially the EU) to accept peace, establish the first framework for a ceasefire then proceed to negotiations for a lasting peace settlement.
Forcing Zelenskyy/EU to accept peace is a matter of stopping U.S. support for the EU/Ukraine war effort. President Putin is already in a position to negotiate; it’s the intransigence of the EU/Zelenskyy tribe that is the current focus.
In addition to extreme economic outcomes as a result of potential tariffs on the EU, the complete withdrawal from NATO is an arrow in the strategic quiver of Trump.
The game of pretending, albeit weakened, is continued by the EU. Meanwhile, we keep watching.
I wouldn’t want to play poker against President Donald Trump!
I would LOVE to play poker with President Trump!
Mmm? Not so sure…I understand the only thing he serves at such events is diet Coke! You ever taste that stuff?
😂
It’s good if:
And have a bathroom near by.
Diuretic.
Zero Coke is better. It tastes lie real Coke.
Mexican coke is the best.
It’s made with cane sugar, not high fructose corn syrup.
It’s awful.
On the other hand, when I (rarely) drink fizzy soft drinks, Coca Cola original is my poison of choice.
Coke Zero. Yum
And taco bowls! He has the best taco bowls!
Politics aside, Mexican Coke for me, real sugar, just like the ole days.
Snow Mexican Coke for me.
Neither would I. But every time I see the prospect for the withdrawal of the US from NATO, it doesn’t happen. We need to get out of NATO now, and we should have been out 35 years ago. Leaving NATO doesn’t mean withdrawal into isolation, it only means we won’t commit our boys to fight for European countries in European wars any longer.
Russia is only a threat to the globalists who see it as the last European holdout against one-world government. Thank God Putin understands this and has resisted it. We need to rethink who our allies are. Woke Europe is not an ally. Sensible Russia definitely is. Recognizing this is in America’s best interests, and I think President Trump knows this and is pursuing this, albeit carefully. Thank God we have an actual President again.
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The US military absolutely needs several strategic bases around the world, period. With respect to NATO, the geopolitical environment that resulted in it’s creation no longer exists. Also, NATO is not really the problem. It is the overseers, the EU, that are the problem. And the basis of this current EU/NATO clown show is a monetary issue that has not been corrected in over 70 years that has resulted in the EU squandering their money on social issues, etc., instead of military preparedness. In reality they’ve used the Marshall Plan to skim off our economy for their indulgences while always being able to have the US be their military backstop when needed. That said, POTUS Trump is going to administer some needed tough love by reminding them the world has changed and the expectation is that Europe needs to grow up and start paying their own way to have a credible military deterrent.
Will be painful for Europe bec their collective economies are in taters.
But what must be is needed – kick them out of the nest!
“The US military absolutely needs several strategic bases around the world, period.”
Perhaps.
But do we? We have no empire to police. Port visit and logistics agreements require an office staff … occasionally.
We have an empire, it is crumbling before our eyes right now, and rightly so. Only the neocons want to try to save it.
Bases assume current tech. Take a 100K ft view. Bases will become liabilities. If anything we need to be able to launch AI drone swarms like ICBMs. The future grind is unmanned. Bases are for old tech. Tanks are sitting ducks. Once the humanoid drones are up to snuff they will be orbitally inserted faster than you can get a plane there. This was a transition war. New tech would have beat old tech had Russia not transitioned to a war economy. Like with the Hiroshima bomb, war has changed. We have new rocks to bash skulls with.
Russia learned from the Soviet collapse, you can bankrupt an enemy. Money matters, manufacturing capacity matters and energy costs matter. Russia just went pedal to the floor war economy with their instinctual war methodoligy of cauldrening up defensive positions, and then pounding them into dust with the massive number of shells rapidly being manufacrured. In spite of this, drone tech held them back in a big way.
I see a future with fewer troop deaths and unfortunately likely more civilian ones. (Civ casualties may not go up due to increased precision.) War will be “easier” since no flag draped coffins on planes for drones. Fortunately the current players seem rational. The Dunning-Krugers in the EU are powerless and in the US Federal system they are on the run. If Trump is able to pull off the goal allignment I see him attempting between the current great powers peace may reign a while.
There are some of holes in my view, but these should fill in in the next few years. 1) The ICBM concept is not realized yet. 2) Energy density is not there yet for humanoid drones to be able to function long term. 3) AI isnt quite there yet to run independent in combat.
I won’t disagree with everything you said, but we DO NOT NEED 735 military bases around the world! We DO NOT NEED to be a part of Nato. I agree that allies are good, and we should be friends with all Nations (Jefferson said something like this). I agree with R Iacoveo (above) that Russia is more aligned with our Nation than the EU and the WEF. These leftists are the PROBLEM across the globe. Exporting death and overthrowing governments is not what America should be about.
“Exporting death and overthrowing governments is not what America should be about.”
I agree completely. It’s time to Make America Good Again!!!
(1) Note I stated “strategic” bases not little bastions in every hot spot in the world. (2) Military operational agreements with our friend’s and allies is a good and needed thing (2) NATO is not the real problem. It is the EU that has become the politicized defacto leader and spokesperson regarding of our initial agreement with the collective individual NATO members. As such there needs to be a significant rewriting of the obligations and responsibilities more inline with current realities.
I have yet to read any viable global strategic/national security plan and how European alliances figure into the big picture. NATO or not, the larger strategy still matters.
No plan. Anywhere. How do we plan to fight future wars? And, of course, reduce the debt by trillions.
Isolationism won’t work. Any more than cliches.
Who suggested isolation? Strategic bases are not isolation but allow rapid deployment to critical areas. Note there has been no abandonment of our allies. We’ve been propping up Europe’s (NATO) economy to the detriment of ours for 50+ years. And they’ve abused the monetary gain given them for rebuilding by not sufficiently rebuilding their individual military forces. Totally relying on the US military as their primary deterrent was never an option. The tough love exhibited by POTUS Trump is a much needed action as a reset to reality and neglected responsibility. Also note Zelensky attempted to seek peace when the conflict started but was pushed to stand down by Boris Johnson on behalf of the State Dept/CIA and EU/NATO. In addition, eliminating waste while increasing efficiency plus a balanced budget snd increasing our GDP are major significant viable solutions to reducing our deficit.
Putin didn’t take the bait to expand the war. Still Putin needs to on a short leash, that requires strong leadership.
God help Europe when Dems get back in power, either complete capitulation or WW3
The Democrats are to stupid to negotiate peace of even capitulate, it will be WW3 because as we are seeing, Europeans are just as stupid.
When Europistan is worth defending, give us a call, until then they can all piss off!
I’d love to play poker w PDJT, only w house money tho. Can’t afford to lose mine.
The deal is Trump ain’t playing. He holds the metaphorical cards. He knows he hold the cards, ‘Z’ man knows he holds the cards, EU knows he holds the cards and Putin knows he holds the cards. There is no bluffing taking place here. There is no sleight of hand. There is no “poker face”. Just straight up facts. When the power of the situation rest with Trump, and he knows it, there is no “dealing” going on. There is no “art” here. Just straight up brute force.
Zelensky tried bluffing without holding the the cards. Mmmmm… didn’t work out so well for him or the EU lame brains.
Sincere question. Do you honestly believe president Trump is looking out for you, personally, and your best interests, or do you just want to believe it’s so?
And Russia’s response to a temporary ceasefire was spelled out in Morse code today… using bombs. : )
Putin isn’t playing along with their game.
And he struck BIG TIME
“EU spokesperson Volodymyr Zelenskyy”. Nicely done SD. LOL
The case of the disappearing Cyclone
https://freedomaustralia.freeforums.net/thread/6799/case-disappearing-cyclone
Great link thanks. Yep only our poor perenially dumbed down sheeple (with no intellect to insult lol) are buying into this hyped up hoax.
You do know, Brother, that we have a thread for that, n’est-ce pas?
this is a thread on the theater of the absurd, n’est-ce pas?
For all the fun we have here, and for all the broad discussions we have, it is still considered bad form to post off topic and such is actually in the rules of the site, available for perusal above in the comment guidelines.
Plenty of good natured people take a while to get their bearings and we all get that.
Many are not good natured at all and have an agenda to dilute the effectiveness of our conversations, typically those that persist in OT after being made aware of it are considered bad actors, and I am not getting the vibe that that is the kind of person you wish to represent yourself as, these OT posts, were one to click through, seem decent and worthy in their fashion, not int the middle of this conversation though, they truly do belong in the Presidential Thread or the Open Thread.
Do you think that the crap that the globalist communist filth, whether EU, Canada, Australia or wherever gives a damn about us nor which particular arena of conflict?
I find your comments condescending.
Enjoy your life Maquis.
I’m just a dumb boy from the Australian bush.
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Precisely. Although it appears that other readers also got the cleverly applied analogous significance.
Seems that you missed the cleverly applied analogous significance. 😉
Thank you. I remember this song very well, and this is the best rendition of it.
Insufferable war-mongering little twit:
“Let’s stop the arenas of war that I am having my ass handed to me in without the assistance of US assistance and advantage. We can then pretend to want a peace.”
Little Z and the feckless leaders of Europe continue to play games. When will they learn—
Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes.
FAFO
Man, unbelievable!
The EU and Z just keep underestimating President Donald John Trump!
True, The Dems, RINOs
and many of my dopey fellow Canadians too.😉
Cheers!
New name for the dynamic duo: the Big EZ
Their utterances make me cringe. Its quite hard to bear when you know the truth of it.
Zelensky,
. Eat some dusted
baked Brie
with your
duck, duck
-cooked goose.
The price of the US remaining in NATO:
Greenland.
Excellent!
You just earned Ambassador status, but once they’re a state we will eliminate your job! 🤣
We can just wait for the citizens of Greenland to do it themselves.
NATO is a hammer looking for a nail where there is none.
Bring our troops and military assets home and leave the feckless Europeans to deal with their own business.
I thank you for your post. I just might get some sleep tonight after reading it. A hammer looking for a nail. Perfect.
That really is a perfect description!
Put another way, the only tool in EU’s toolbox is a hammer , and they think the world is their nail!
Actually NATO is the nail, and MAGA is the hammer.
The US should leave nato. We don’t need nato.
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Disagree. Those in NATO still want war, & Greenland is not worth the cost of any of our sons & daughters.
Park the US Navy in the English ‘ditch’ off the coast of Belgium, midway between Brussels and London.
There are no Britons left in London and God only knows what infests Brussels.
Bring all our troops home from Europe
Bring all our troops home…period.
Tired of us fighting in foreign lands.
We have enough problems here.
🇺🇸 🇺🇸 America First 🇺🇸🇺🇸
American isolation. has proven not to be a good thing.
American intervention in the Ukraine started this whole mess.
No more genocidal European Wars!!!
I think you both are correct and should meet in the middle. My thoughts are to remove a lot of the USA’s presence in Europe and somehow stop the USA from letting the CIA use the bases as a launching platform to preform their meddling operations.
When and where was that?
🤣 🤣 🤣
IKR……?
💁♀️ 🤷♀️
Non-intervention.
Neutral.
It is not the same as …..isolation.
💁♀️ 🤷♀️
I somewhat disagree with your premise of isolationism.
Getting out of NATO would mean:
1. We won’t be forced into wars EU foments
2. We can assist if the reason is righteous but WE choose if we do
3. Countries cannot strut around using US power as an indirect cudgel due to US involvement in NATO
4. We don’t pay for security of other nations’ lack of interest in funding their own militaries, thus we can keep our own military in top form
5. Many countries currently in NATO have increasingly been proven not to be our friends.
6. New alliances can be formed, no one is saying we would become isolationists.
As PDJT has shown, there are more ways to remain influential than having our young men and women scattered all over the world. The risk and expense doesn’t appear justified for the return on investment. I am not in favor of isolationism, but things are very different from the end of WW2 and the Cold War and we ought to move to shift with those changes to our greatest advantage.
Says who? When and where did American isolation prove to be a bad thing?
Look at China. They are not isolationist. China is a world wide economic trading powerhouse.
. They don’t have bases all over the world to protect their interest. I can count the number of military bases China has outside of China on one finger.
China has a larger more modern military than we do.
They keep their solders home to protect the motherland. Just like we should be doing. Having bases all over the world is a giant waste of money and not needed. Unless you are trying to support an empire.
Well, there is an article saying PDJT is taking U.S. troops out of Germany, and where he is putting them is interesting…
Technically, he IS moving them farther EAST, so the warmongers are going to have a difficult time criticising, as that IS closer to Ukraine….
He is reportedly considering moving them to Orbans Hungary, lol.
Maybe 15,000?
Hows that for sticking a thumb, in the euroweinies eye?
As for me, I’m loving it.
Even the rumor he’s thinking about it, has the p*ssies that are supposedly going to form their own army, messing their depends.
Thanks Dutchman. Really needed a laugh. Only places I’ve been overseas are Hungary and Slovakia (other than a UK airport to get there).
Moving troops to Hungary is excellent. The troops will see some of the still standing buildings dating to the 1400’s, and buildings where vampires, I mean real ones, have a condo on the top floor.
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Damn I just love those “internal communications and strategy” during geopolitical negotiations!
Move them to greenland.
I love it too. 👊✝️👊
As I remember, PDJT 45 was going to move several battalions to Poland
I think that whole area is a Russian war hot bed. CIA / Deepstate is active with their color revolutions in the Baltic’s.
The Russians have been very clear that there will be no ceasefire. Ukraine, and NATO have used negotiations to buy time to arm Ukraine before, that is very unlikely to ever be allowed to happen again.
Ukraine, NATO, and President Trump will have to accept that talks will have to happen without a ceasefire.
Why the need to lump President Trump with Ukraine and NATO?
Obviously you don’t understand President Trump and his negotiating skills.
There’s nothing to negotiate, the Russians have repeatedly said they will sit down, and talk, but they will not agree to a ceasefire.
Were you at the meetings where the Russians said “they will sit down, and talk, but they will not agree to a ceasefire”?
Perhaps you have more insight and inside information than our Commander in Chief President Trump?
The Russians have repeatedly stated this for the last 2 years. There is almost no chance that they agree to a ceasefire until they have a signed peace deal.
Both NATO, and Ukraine have proven that they cannot be trusted to negotiate in good faith.
We agree “Both NATO and Ukraine………cannot be trusted…..”
However, how do you, me or anyone else know certain what has transpired between Putin and President Trump?
There’s external communications and internal communications in negotiations.
I am not privy to any internal communications, are you?
🙄😉
Internal communication.
Russia launches a massive missile and drone attack on Ukraine early today.
Trump responds with a childish Truth Social tweet full of empty threats.
Peace Thru Strength.
And you believe that you are understanding the “internal communications” between two world leaders because of a reported “missile launch” from one world leader and a (your personal assessment), public “childish” post from another world leader?🙄
Seriously?😐
😳😳😳😳😳
Underminer is consistent.
😂😉
I believe that the Truth Social post was
to relay to Russia that President Trump
is aware of situation on frontlines.
🤬 Biden probably couldn’t find Ukraine
on a map.
Hence, the reference to the “pounding “ that
is happening to Ukraine troops. It’s getting
Ugly. A large number of troops are in another
firebag-cauldron situation…
His Truth Social post also relays to the
American people that the Ukrainian troops
are taking a “pounding “.
His way of breaking through our propaganda
media which he has stated a couple of times
were not reporting casualties or reporting the facts.
And reinforcing the statements made by VP Vance
about the troop shortage when Zelensky came
for his “ visit “.
The rest of post, I believe is just smoke and
mirrors.🤷♀️💁♀️
Waste of time/energy, to argue with an imbecile…
Spot on, but sometimes…(God forgive me), I just can’t help myself 😉
We don’t have to be privy to any current talks, but we do know that Angela Merkel has admitted the Minsk Accords were fake designed to buy time for Ukraine to arm. Why should the Russians trust Trump, America started the war with the coup in 2014 by US State Dept.
President Trump was not anywhere near this 2014 incursion.
Come on now…🙄😉😂
NOT my America
WE trust Trump (the man) 1000x more than we trust any government on this planet.
There’s a saying that “people do business with people”, not with other businesses. Maybe the same holds true here.
President Putin has stated numerous times there will be no simple cease fire
He has also publicly and consistently stated the terms that will be acceptable to Russia. I’m guessing that anything “negotiated” with them will be pretty close to that.
In the upcoming game of “Let’s make a deal,” pretty much the same thing will be behind all three doors.
😉👍🏼
Russia has repeatedly stated….No Ceasefire
and No Truce for months.
Why would Russia agree to ceasefire?
Do we know what is being said behind
closed doors….no…only what they have
repeatedly been saying.…both Putin
and Lavrov.🤷♀️💁♀️
🙄😉
Entirely correct. And very few people have a greater understanding of and respect for Putin than PDJT. Which is all that matters.
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maybe thats why trump pulled the intelligence! he wants an end to the war,what better way then to make em blind and let russia pound em into submission.i see trumps talking of pulling 35k troops out of germany.thats gonna be a big hit on the local economies around the bases.
plus if trump ends the marshall plan and we start throwing tariffs on the EU they know their economies will implode.they need us more then we need them.
Yes!
Now that is understanding the “internal communications” by the actions on both sides, President Putin and President Trump.
Pay attention to the “internal” communications.
President Trump and President Putin respect each other and understand each other, regardless if they “like” each other.
They have a job to do to protect and benefit their own countries.
What is wrong with that objective?
Peace is the Prize!!
best part is trump went to an envoy so any communication is between him and putin and no one else to throw a wrench in the negotiations.
communication envoy – where did I hear of that position b4? Inquiring minds!
thAn to make them blind… lol
Trump is also deescalating USA’s involvement in the war. It’s not ships loaded with arms from the USA that are being bombed.
Trump just fired several hundred thousand government employees in DC. The local economy will survive. Germany will figure it out. Or not. LOL The German people don’t want our occupier troops on their land.
There will be: “military surrender,” on Russian terms. Period.
As grandpa used to say: “When you got ’em by the b*lls their hearts and minds will soon follow.”
Indeed.
The thought of more young men being slaughtered bc of a possibly cokehead isn’t joyous.
Surrender or die: another bargaining chip lost.
@ElectionWiz
“REPORT: Thousands of Ukrainian troops who stormed into Russia’s Kursk region last summer in a shock incursion are nearly surrounded by Russian forces there, in a major blow to Kiev which hoped to use its presence there as leverage over Moscow in any peace talks, reports Reuters.”
Will Russia take Odessa and cut off water access?
Ukraine will have lost, what, 50 or 75 thousand just there for no achievement at all
Ukraine has no leverage. The problem is that they (and NATO and the EU) can’t or won’t acknowledge that.
💥 💥 Diplomacy usually follows- and is based
on what is happening on a battlefield 💥💥
Will Russia take Odessa….wish I knew.
Hoping Russia is air dropping Volga instructions
more than they usually do on the Kursk cauldron.
Volga = surrender.
I keep praying for an Appomattox -Generals surrender.
🙏 🙏 🙏
Z iS A DEAD MAN WALKING.
Well….if there is going to be any more casualties in this d*mn war, then I suppose it should be………..
the little man is about to realize how diminutive he is
Benito Mussolini time
No way Russia goes for that.
I keep pointing out that Russia will talk but Russian demands are not yet politically feasible for the Ukraine. The idiot Macron gave a speech today stating any truce or peace is just temporary until the Ukrainian army can be rebuilt and rearmed. Reminds me of GOT when the Hound says if you keep talking I’m going to have to eat every chicken in the place !
When did Macron turn muslim.
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E.U. is in no position to re-arm Ukraine, at least any time soon.
.
they could rearm em with brooms painted black!
Like the Minsk accords were deception on Russia to buy time to re-arm, admitted publicly by Merkel.
I wonder if Hamas thought all of the trucks lined up as “aid” would be their way to resupply arms to Gaza? Such treachery!
Surely most of those being killed (troops) are being killed in ground operations, so Zelensky must want most of the killing to continue.
Looks like Trump is going to have to hit him upside the head a few more times.
This comes after Russia bombed gas facilities across Ukraine last night. In particular gas storage in western Ukraine that stores gas for the EU.
There was also a huge hit around Opishnya in Poltava, that’s the one registering just under a 3 on the Richter Scale.
o.0
Well isn’t that big of him; calling for a truce.
This little Zerolensky scumbag has got to go. I don’t know anyone could be stupid enough to believe his act.
I absolutely love the movie “Topaz” directed by Alfred Hitchcock in 1969. If you look at Wikipedia, it says that it was a critical and commercial failure. So many negative reviews. I hope more people will discover it and think otherwise after watching it.
De Gaulle was angry about the Martel affair on which “Topaz” was partly based and he denied that it had anything to do with expelling NATO from France (in 1966).
We have talked about the Cuban Missile Crisis more frequently lately due to the fact that it was about missiles being placed by the USSR in Cuba, so close to the USA and how we ought to consider that when considering the Russian reaction to missiles placed along their border. Even then at 10 years old, I was a “news junkie” but I admit that I did not know then that part of the resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis was that JFK agreed to remove missiles in Turkey that could have struck the USSR.
We SHOULD be mindful of that when discussing how and why it is justified for Putin to be concerned with NATO striving to surround his country’s borders with missiles.
Here is a “what if” scenario because I think Hitchcock’s “Topaz” hit very close to a true, future threat and that’s why it was disdained. It showed a French man who was working on behalf of the USSR to gather information on NATO where he ostensibly worked as an economist.
What if there were many, many more NATO economists and other officials seeded into the organization who were actually working on behalf of the USSR. We hear about “tabletop” exercises which are pretty much like giant board games with a myriad of scenarios envisioned and how to react to developments. What if it was contemplated in the future that the Russian people might take back their country, their land and oust the communist system. So with true believer Communists who still wanted to impose that system were embedded elsewhere when the Soviet Union was “lost” to communism, they were going to set about to “save” communism? To use communism as a means of controlling the masses while the top people would have all the control and would gradually cull great numbers of the masses as deemed necessary.
With the Nixon overtures to the CCP-PRC and all the strategy that was supposed to make it acceptable we were now to accept the CCP-PRC. To be “strategic” by offsetting the threat of the USSR, our Presidents Nixon, Ford and Bush, primarily, cosseted the CCP-PRC when that was unthinkable before – but now it was “strategic” and necessary to make friends with the CCP-PRC, to embrace the Shanghai Communique (regarding Taiwan) with the brilliant direction and guidance of Henry Kissinger and kick that can down the road.
What if it was envisioned that at some point the “New World Order” Globalists would help the CCP-PRC move on Russia? Maybe the “NWO” types thought they would be so clever and be a part of this “New World Order” along with the CCP-PRC but I think they would find themselves brushed aside.
Meanwhile, the countries and the people that represented any strength and sovereign attitude in the continent of Africa were under assault – South Africa and Libya more recently as an example. Col. Ghaddafi had amassed gold to back his currency for his country and intended to make Libya a fortress for his people and Africa for Africans. He was in the way of “progress”. What happened to all of that gold? Why and how was NATO used to attack him? How was that not a very bad message to send to Putin and anyone else as to what the NATO agenda was. Also, a horrible message to send to any other nation thinking of joining up with the USA as an ally, looking at “the Libyan model”.
So, the continent of Africa is gradually being emptied, incredibly and IMHO it is to free up what Hitler would have called “lebensraum” . . . for the CCP-PRC. What a great confederation of nations Africa might have been for all the people, with all the coastline to communicate in trade, all the resources of the African continent. The African people are being made to move and abandon their homes and become “unhoused” suffering and starving migrants.
NATO has become something other than what it was created to do; it was used to help destroy Libya and now having destroyed Libya, helping in the emptying of the rest of Africa while simultaneously being part of the assault on our old ally Serbia and currently a part of the Ukraine problem.
The people using NATO could have an agenda that we have not even yet contemplated. It has definitely outgrown the mission. Is that what is called “Mission Creep”? It has become toxic, radioactive. Close up the NATO headquarters and build a sarcophagus over it, like Chernobyl!
NATO was supposed to be a defensive alliance but gete they spent years creating a proxy war against Russia.
And I never followed Bosnia… though a friend said ‘we bombed our people’.
I’d love to see any more mentions of great war / war & politics / espionage movies!??
Not a classic per se, but “Assassination Tango” w Robert Duvall is quirky, and his affair w a younger woman in Argentina is his real-life wife. Luciana Pedraza, 41 years his junior.
I will check that out – “Assassination Tango” – thank you!
About the Cuban Missile Crisis, I guess it was reasonable that I did not know about the agreement regarding the US removing missiles from Turkey – it was actually a secret – though I don’t know how really secret it could be to remove missiles!
From wikipedia:
“The Soviets would dismantle their offensive weapons in Cuba, subject to United Nations verification, in exchange for a US public declaration and agreement not to invade Cuba again. The United States secretly agreed to dismantle all of the offensive weapons it had deployed to Turkey.”
correct.
Great post!
(from 2022:)
Bruno: It’s so simple, too. A couple of fellows meet accidentally, like you and me. No connection between them at all. Never saw each other before. Each of them has somebody he’d like to get rid of, but he can’t murder the person he wants to get rid of. He’ll get caught. So they swap murders.
Guy: Swap murders?
Bruno: Each fellow does the other fellow’s murder. Then there is nothing to connect them. The one who had the motive isn’t there. Each fellow murders a total stranger. Like you do my murder and I do yours.
Guy: We’re coming into my station.
Bruno: For example, your wife, my father. Criss-cross.”—Alfred Hitchcock’s “Strangers On a Train”, 1951
Like Hitchcock’s “Strangers”, the Occupation Government and Big Tech are swapping crimes. “Criss-cross”.
Big Tech does the Political Censorship that is forbidden to the Regime, and the Regime looks the other way while Big Tech engages in monopoly, commits business fraud, spies on Americans and cuddles up to dictatorships–other dictatorships, I mean.
And, for the record, Benito, this Corporate/State Incest is the very textbook definition of “Fascism”.
Grazi, Obama.
Rest in the Vine: Free Speech and Her Enemies
Excellent post!
Ceasefire, then settlement, is the reverse opposite to Russia’s pov. Russia will not do any ceasefire until a comprehensive security arrangement with the European peninsula is in place and Ukraine has been totally de-militarized.
We cannot tell if VSG realizes this now or not.
It is kind of hard for Russia to accept any kind of peace treaty as real with Macron out there saying that it was just going to be used as a respite for Ukraine to rebuild its military. No evidence that Europe is negotiating in good faith.
No evidence that Europe is negotiating in good faith.
Absolutely!
After “Minsk 1&2,” Europe admitted the truth.
The west didn’t negotiate in good faith when they did the Minsk agreement. In an interview in 2022, Merkel came out and said it was to buy time for Ukraine to build up its military. Why would Putin believe any negotiation with the EU is in good faith?
I think the only one Putin can trust right now to end this is President Trump but Putin isn’t going to give anything away in the negotiation. Once bitten, twice shy.
FYI, here is what she said in the interview.
December 7 2022, in an interview with Die Zeit.
“The 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time,” Merkel told the weekly Die Zeit. “It also used this time to become stronger, as you can see today.”
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All the more remarkable is her admission that the Minsk agreement served to buy time for Ukraine’s rearmament. “It was clear to all of us that this was a frozen conflict, that the problem had not been solved, but that is precisely what gave Ukraine valuable time,” Merkel told Die Zeit.
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Shut down Starlink.
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Trump can force Musk to shut down Starlink for the reason that it’s supporting the war. Do it by demanding Ukraine to start paying for it. If Musk objects, he can declare that payments will go to DOGE savings. If E.U. pays, that helps stop their ability to continue land war. If they don’t, ditto. And meanwhile Trump uses sanctions, etc. to get Russia to stop on their end.
Russia wants Russian-speaking east territories (sea access) and no NATO.
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Agreed!
Does Musk need to be forced to shut down Starlink? What if it’s already shut down, and that’s the pressure point causing Zelenskyy to call for an air and sea truce? Would the little man openly admit that he had suddenly lost his satellite connection? Would Trump openly admit to such strategies?
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He needs to be forced to do it because it’s not a decision he can practicably take responsibility for. Think it through.
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What if starlink is not off, just “moderated…”
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/classified-x-37-spaceplane-returns-earth
I noticed this article at the of the one you posted. Interesting: https://www.zerohedge.com/military/europe-regularly-supplies-ukraine-outdated-defective-weapons
Starlink can provide selective service…
Poland is paying for 20,000 Starlink terminals in Ukraine.
Zelensky still trying to boss President Trump around.🤬
Not going to end well for the little green gnome.
🤣 🤣 🤷♀️ 💁♀️
Z, (or his handlers, really!) STILL don’t GET it.
Including “,…Russia, the sole source of this war,..” is all I needed to see, to conclude they STILL DON’T GET IT.
They, through Z, are still trying to pull their propoganda bullshyte, to try to re-write history, so that the Eurowienies can glom onto Russias frozen assets, and get a piece of the reparations they still think they can force Russia to pay, as a cost for peace.
Ignore Z, and his warmonger backers, they are not serious.
Is that Trudeau?
This farce by the pretenders will result in many of the other propped up acronym organizations to wither into dust. No more NATO, EU, UN, WEF………
From your keyboard to God’s eyes.
Sad.
I got so sick of seeing joe biden on tv I could puke.
I feel the same way about the muchkin.
“Russia targeted Ukraine’s energy infrastructure overnight in a large-scale missile and drone attack, Ukrainian officials said Friday.”
I suspect Putin did this so that the Ukrainian people attending all night raves start realizing there is a war going on. I also think he is smart enough to stay away from hitting any nuke power generation plants.
Thankfully Trump pulled the plug so that Ukraine, or whatever spook might be there can no longer false flag a missile into one.
Only Z-Bag and The City sought to damage nuclear reactors, threatening Zaporizhzhia a bazillion times, striking Chernobyl, and invading Russia in an effort to capture the reactor in Kursk.
Putin doesn’t do treachery.
The PuppetMasters know only treachery.
When the power goes out, the people in Ukraine that haven’t experienced any affects of the war are suddenly reminded of the prospects of a bomb dropping on them. FEAR. Perhaps they will vote for someone else to save their own lives.
It seems like Z’s position is the same as it was on Friday with the big blow out. Has he retracted now what he said in his letter?
It depends on how many lines of coke he did…Euphoria/Superman/crash…Euphoria/Superman/crash…
The thing that most disturbs me about this issue is that if Trump gets his way the EU and all its puppet leaders are left high and dry with no leg to stand on. This may be Trump’s intent and if so, good. But understand, the puppet EU leaders are just front people fronting for really really clever, evil, connected and powerful people who stand in the shadows and control world events, such as WWI and WWII. Not kidding.
Macron’s statement that he’ll give France’s nukes to other European nations is IMO because UK’s nukes are controlled by the US and the shadow players are reading Trump will never release those to the UK. But France is not in the same position, and France is therefore sending a signal to both Trump and Putin that a French nuke might hit Moscow, if things aren’t resolved according to the shadow people’s requirements.
I hope I’m wrong, but this seems to me what 47 is dealing with here.
France can deploy its aircraft launched nukes across Europe, just as the US has done.
The UK can’t do that as all of ours are in submarines. Which are a bit too big to sail up the River Rhine.
For those that enjoy Struth’s commentary you might like his post from today on Ukraine.
https://freedomaustralia.freeforums.net/thread/6800/ukraine
so strange that if not for NATO instigation there would not have been all the wars in past 70 years
I know I’m supposed to do my own research but, given such a huge blanket assertion, I’d appreciate some clues to get me started, please.
That’s a pretty clueless assertion. You surely can’t believe that Iraq and Afghanistan were dependent on NATO (as opposed to UK) participation? It was a useful figleaf.
The EU saber rattling ?
First you have to have a saber to rattle.
The EU is rapidly removing any doubt they possess any diplomatic leverage effecting the Ukraine negotiations.
Example: Macron’s nuclear “umbrella” threat is taking a chance Paris nightlife will glow in the dark.
Zelenskyy plays the black knight
Putin to Zelenskyy, “What are you gonna do bleed on me?”
Perfect!!!
Vlad should continue to bomb the little Crap Zelensky.
Trump should stop paying for Ukraine government payroll and sit back and wait.
EU is broke and they need this war… they will never withdraw.
Has anyone else noticed that the British ruling class are ethnic Germans ?
Including the royals.
“To appoint a monarchist to conduct the affairs of a republic is like appointing an atheist to the priesthood.” –Thomas Jefferson, 1803
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1244338645198352386
NATO’s true usefulness ended with the dissolution of the USSR. It should have been disbanded and a serious realignment made which included Russia as a normal trading partner and potential ally. For whatever reason, we ultimately rejected that scenario. Perhaps because U.S. economic and intelligence interests failed to dominate Russia, and perhaps, too, of the historic Russophobia of much of Europe (and I am not talking here ablut the former Soviet satellite countries).
flashback
NATO and Russia Agree on New Panel (2002)
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/13/world/nato-and-russia-agree-on-new-panel.html
Lots of good comments on this post.
“I expanded NATO!”
–Joe Biden
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/07/08/biden-family-enter-negotiation-stage-letter-to-congress-frames-baseline-for-exit-price/
-Ceremony as 7 former Soviet-bloc nations joins NATO
What a mealy mouthed little turd
Zelenskyy still doesn’t get it, he has no path to victory, only a path to defeat. He should be negotiating for a total cease fire and the prospect of giving up some territory. Russia will win otherwise and all of Ukraine will be annexed by Russia. Europe won’t do anything to stop it and even if they do escalate the war, Europe will lose.
I’m pretty sure Russia doesn’t WANT “all of it.” There are people in the “old country” who have held blood emnity against “Russians” for literally thousands of years. Why try to “rule” that?!
This man is so tiresome. He does this constantly. Making demands he knows will not be accepted just before a meeting, or concluding a contract, to subvert any chance of peace.
Let him call off a meeting or contract one more time by issuing commands he knows will not be accepted and I think, if I am not mistaken, all support from President Trump and his cabinet will end. Period.
Trump is also verbalizing the withdrawal of US troops from Germany, a very big deal. The possibility of a U.S.-RUSSO Pact that will decide Europe’s fate maybe be forming. It will also serve US versus China interests well. What a difference an election makes.
No, “a USA-Russia pact” would simply compel Europe to once again be responsible for themselves. THEY must determine “their fate.” As every sovereign nation is expected to do.
Without leaning on eighty-year old agreements first intended to help them get back on their feet. Which should have been routinely cancelled seventy years ago. Which left them “fat, dumb, and happy” … and WEAK.
What ever happened with the Zelensky-Bush CONversation?
Did Bush say anything that made sense whatsoever?
Bush & Rice always pushed globalism and spoke against populism, isolationism, nativism, protectionism and nationalism.
2011 – George W. Bush Warns Of Nativism, 1920s Style Immigration Backlash
“There was an immigration policy during this period that I think argued during this period that we had too many Jews and too many Italians and therefore we should have no immigrants. And my point to you is we have been through this kind of period of isolationism, protectionism, nativism. “
2016 – “Bush was speaking at a Cincinnati fundraiser for Ohio Sen. Rob Portman. The Wall Street Journal reported that Bush attacked policies of “isolationism, nativism and protectionism.”
2019 – Condoleezza Rice – https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/rice-trump-nativism/2019/09/15/id/932742/
2020- Condoleezza Rice – “In your 2017 book, Democracy, you describe populism, nativism, isolationism, and protectionism as the “four horsemen of the apocalypse.” Three years later, how do you feel democracies are faring with these four horsemen?”
2021 – GWB – https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/freedom/bush-blair-freedom – “WASHINGTON – Wading back into Republican politics, former President George W. Bush said Tuesday that the GOP he once led has swung too far to the right on issues like immigration, trade and diversity.”
“I would describe it as isolationist, protectionist and, to a certain extent, nativist,” Bush told NBC’s “Today” show during an interview to promote his new book on immigration.”
These elitist globalists call their opponents names ending in phobia, and of course, racists – such as in this 2021 Article – https://www.populismstudies.org/Vocabulary/neo-nationalism/
“Neo-nationalism or new nationalism is a type of nationalism that rose in the mid-2010s in Europe and North America and to some degree in other regions. It is associated with several positions, such as right-wing populism, anti-globalization, nativism, protectionism, opposition to immigration, Islamophobia, Sinophobia,and Euroscepticism where applicable. According to one scholar, “nationalist resistance to global liberalism turned out to be the most influential force in Western politics”. Particularly notable expressions of new nationalism include the vote for Brexit in the 2016 UK European Union membership referendum and the 2016 election of Donald Trump as the 45th President of the US.”
HOWEVER – we must remember the devastation that NAFTA and the exportation of our manufacturing industry to China has wreaked upon our economy and jobs occurred thanks to these elitist globalist leaders.
After Bush, came Øbama who endeavored to change the fundamental character of our nation and bring it down the US many notches – to 3rd world country levels of corruption, chaos, violence, social, moral and spiritual ruination.
THANKFULLY – President Trump is reversing the Bush-Øbama agendas and rebuilding US security, solvency, sanity, sanctity!
I don’t know if it cancelled, but it would be a great way for Shrub to get on the wrong side of President Trump, of history and of God’s Peace.
It’s obvious that Europe still wants this war. Especially since they are not (officially …) fighting in it.
Meanwhile, what Russia is doing is called: “winning.” And they’re not going to stop “winning” while they talk.
They have calmly proved the limits of NATO and the West. And that their Western technology is not invincible. Russia was supposed to have “vanished” by now …
The outcome is not going to be a “ceasefire,” or a Korea-style “DMZ.” Russia knows that NATO would simply re-arm this or another proxy and go after them again. And, use it as an excuse to drag the USA explicitly into it, which they desperately want. No, the outcome is going to be: “ignominious military surrender.” But, on Russian terms. Which they will dictate.
Not “capitulation.” But the formal achievement of EVERY goal they announced three years ago last month.
And, it will not be done by Zelenskyy, who is no longer the lawful president of his country.
European leaders and Zelensky’s retention of power depends on prolonging the war until such time as they can “win”….a forlorn hope that NATO and the US would be drawn into the war and had the capability to defeat Russia on the battlefield. Their idea seems to be that NATO could do a Serbia or Iraq and bomb the smithereens out of Russia and bring it to its knees. Forgetting completely that Russia is not a Serbia or Iraq and could bring such a conflict to their countries and their citizens. Thankfully it seems that President Trump stands firm on no US troops in Ukraine.
If European leaders cannot get a “win”, it will become obvious to their most oblivious citizens that all the expenditure of lives and money and weapons was a waste of Ukrainian lives and citizens’ tax dollars. That may even expose the money-laundering and corporate greed and will put their power in jeopardy.
Just posted this morning by Aussie_Cossack:
BREAKING: Elon Musk has turned off Ukrainian Starlink systems since Monday, leaving the Ukrainian Armed Forces blind, confused and without coordination.
Russian Forces are taking full advantage of this storming Sudzha, in the Kursk region surrounding 6,300 Ukrainian in an encirclement.
Some Ukrainian groups have already begun negotiations to surrender in exchange for lives and the removal of the wounded.
According to Ukrainian sources, the surrendering Ukrainians are offering new UAVs, satellite encryption systems, electronic warfare equipment and NATO armoured vehicles in exchange for their lives.
IMO, it is this kind of surrender of forces that will bring Zelensky to the negotiating table, rather than all the threats and withdrawing of money and weapons.
Appomattox-Generals surrender.🇺🇸
If commanders on the frontlines surrender
and save themselves and their men……🤷♀️
By now the Ukraine troops sitting in trenches
freezing their cojones off have heard that
President Trump is calling for Peace🕊️🕊️
No more US weapons and aid.
Our aid also pays the commanders
and troops.
No more Starlink.
How many are going to be willing to die
for a lost cause?
It would be interesting to know how many of those surrendering are actual soldiers of the Ukraine and how many are foreign (NATO) mercenaries.
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Great analysis..I believe 100% to be accurate. Well done.