The police have arrested Luigi Mangione, 26, in Pennsylvania for the murder of UnitedHealth executive Brian Thompson.
Apparently, Mangione still had the handgun and multiple items of physical evidence connecting him to the assassination.
(Reuters) -Authorities have arrested the man suspected of killing UnitedHealth executive Brian Thompson in a brazen shooting outside a Manhattan hotel last week, New York City officials said on Monday, ending a massive five-day manhunt.
The suspect, identified as Luigi Mangione, 26, was captured in Altoona, Pennsylvania, after he was spotted eating at a McDonald’s by an employee of the fast food restaurant who believed he resembled the gunman, officials said at a news conference.
Mangione was found with a “ghost gun” – a firearm assembled from parts, making it untraceable – and a silencer consistent with the weapon used to shoot Thompson, New York City Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch said, as well as clothing and a mask similar to those worn by the killer. The ghost gun may have been produced by a 3D printer, said Joseph Kenny, the NYPD’s chief of detectives.
Mangione, a Maryland native, had multiple fraudulent identifications, including a fake New Jersey ID that matched the one used by the gunman to check into a Manhattan hostel days before the shooting, officials said.
Police also found a handwritten document that speaks to “both his motivation and his mindset,” Tisch said. While the document did not mention specific targets, Mangione harbored “ill will toward corporate America,” Kenny added.
Mangione graduated from a private all-boys school in Baltimore as valedictorian in 2016 before earning dual engineering degrees at the University of Pennsylvania, according to media reports, social media posts and school records. His last known address was in Honolulu, officials said. (read more)
Can anyone explain to me how a gun (or *anything* for that matter) can be made real by a “3D Printer”.
Explain like I’m 5, please.
Oh wow. I’m so happy this question is at the top of the page. LOL.
Maybe it’ll actually get seen and answered!
It’s a real thing
” It’s a real thing..”
Please.
Assuming the dude is smart enough to obtain all the media declared evil programs and components.
Assuming he has the necessary EXPERIENCE and know how to assemble and proof test his wonder weapon.
Assuming he has knowledge of the victim’s whereabouts and schedule..
Isn’t he gonna be smart enough to obtain hisself a shootin’ iron by traditional illiterate street thug means?
Think about how ridiculous this picture is being painted.
Sunny asked, I answered.
You can assume he bought a hot gun if it fits your narrative.
How does YOUR narrative contribute anything to truth by using B-S like “It’s the real thing”?
It’s not [Bad Dog! No Biscuit!]’s narrative. Someone asked a tech question, he answered. Do you own a 3D printer or have any experience in printing? I am not asking if you own real metal guns. I am asking about your experience in 3D printing.
Whether the storyline is true or not regarding this murder, it is undeniable that 3D printers are capable of printing weapons. I am not against 3D printing capabilities and I have been amazed over the last decade on what they are capable of and what I can do with them.
And they can even make prosthetic limbs with them.
They cannot “print weapons”, not in the sense you are suggesting. The only things that can be printed are the normally plastic parts of a firearm. For example, you can’t print the barrel, trigger assembly, slide assembly, etc. (or suppressor). For this Glock 19 that he used, the only thing he could have printed was the chassis, an already plastic component of most striker fired semi-automatic pistols. To call these “ghost guns” is absurdly ridiculous. I am very sceptical that he 3D printed anything. All the pictures (and videos) of his firearm that I have seen, look just like a stock Glock 19 with a common supressor (without a booster, which would be required to make it cycle properly, the reason why he had to rack it manually after each shot).
Don’t have a stroke, man!
Someone asked about 3D printing a gun, he posted a link and assured them ‘it’s a real thing’, where do you see “Bad Dog! No Biscuit!” selling a ‘narrative’? He was answering the persons question, ‘yes it’s really a thing’, ‘here’s a video’. How is that confusing?
Your answer is completely correct. There have been “80%” lowers that have been sold for years for many different styles of firearm. The frame for a pistol is considered the gun, the receiver for an AR is considered the gun, though oddly the fire control unit is considered the gun for the Sig 320 series. At least that is my understanding. Legal for personal use and there are slide and barrel kits readily available to complete the 80% lower.
Making a class 3 item is a different deal, no matter if it is a short barreled rifle (i.e. putting a rifle stock on a “pistol”), a suppressor, a machine gun or other regulated destructive device like a hand grenade. If enforced, the penalties are severe. Oddly enough, often the penalties are waived for unlicensed pharmacists with those little Glock switches which turn a regular G19 into a 1200 round per minute submachine gun. Depends on having a prosecutor with a sympathetic political affiliation.
Well, considering he has 2 Engineering degrees…….
“Mangione graduated from a private all-boys school in Baltimore as valedictorian in 2016 before earning dual engineering degrees at the University of Pennsylvania”
Tech minded kids (like this one who was into competitive robotics) are prone build crazy complex things just for the challenge of it.
Ted K, the Harvard math PhD “Unabomber”, **handmade** his own pistol for hunting while living off the grid, pre internet – no easy to print instructions.
Winchester built the first short action carbine with a hand file, while in prison.
Jimmy Stewart played the guy on the big screen, cool story.
Zip guns.
Yes they do.
My grand nephews and their kids have a 3-D printer.
They’re a family of engineering and invention.
Clearly he was framed by Wario. And why no statement from Mario? Or the Princess? It’s all very odd.
lol!
…with Chuck providing the timeless and appropriate them tune, a totally excellent vibe, just sayin’:
Homemade guns can obviously be bought and sold like any other firearm, or perhaps an associate could have made it for him.
He didn’t necessarily make it himself…
It’s considered a “ghost gun”.
Why?
It has no serial number.
It was never sold by a licensed dealer (FFL)
Therefore it has no record, no history of ownership or use.
IDK if the barrel had rifling. If not, then the slugs may or may not be traceable to his weapon because another smooth barrel gun might have been used. The slugs pulled from the victim won’t show any signs of having traveled through a rifled barrel.
As seen in the video of the actual shooting, the weapon did not function as a semi-automatic gun; the shooter had to manually pull the slide to eject each spent casing and chamber another round. The homemade silencer likely caused the poor functioning as insufficient gas was sent back to the bolt to do automatically what the shooter had to do manually.
The perp thought he would get away with his crime because he had made an untraceable gun. An alert restaurant employee foiled his plan.
Gateway Pundit has a photo of the gun he was arrested with. Looks like stock slide, threaded barrel, all factory made. The frame is polymer, if any part is 3D printed it’s that.
I am amazed that this, of all sites, has so few commenters that know anything about firearms. Disappointing, really. I would encourage people here to learn about firearms, so-called “ghost guns” (a ridiculous notion) and everything related to them. Ideally, you should have your own collection of firearms, be educated about them and skillful with them. It is your Constitutionally protected right to do so !!!
Free will is a fabulous thing.
And where did he practice?
It doesn’t matter but I’ll bet the police / FBI can find out.
Making ghost guns is not difficult since handguns themselves are not terribly complicated.
Up until recently the various parts were readily available on the internet. And instructions, even videos were posted showing the step by step processes..,
Maybe the same range where Crooks and his “Handler” practiced ??
The guy could have easily have bought the gun legally. I have not yet read if he was a felon, or not.
Many modern pistols are based on polymer frames and grips. HK VP9 uses a polymer slide and frame. At least one manufacturer uses a fiber-glass reinforced polymer frame and barrel.
If he printed the frame (the main part which holds the trigger and under the law is the “firearm”) then all the other pieces are easily obtained. The slide, barrel, and internal components are not regulated.
It’s more likely he has a gun without a serial number, either because it was removed or it never had one because he or someone else built it.
thx.
But where would you get the rest of the gun one might wonder…
https://everygunpart.com/handgun-kits/semi-auto.html
Here’s a utube video on 3D guns:
thx.
A 3D printer can make parts of the gun like the grip and the sites, etc. but not the firing pin or the chamber. One can purchase these parts on-line or through gun sellers. Many guns can be modified with 3rd party components which develops the supply for these components to the 3D gun market too.
So, 3D printed guns are not completely made on a 3D printer.
Ghost guns are both 3D guns and those put together from various parts available on the market.
Laser sintering can already print metallic parts out of powdered metal. I can forsee future improvement in 3d printers that utilize it reducing the cost enough to make it a must have for every repairman and tinkerer.
Agreed. Printing metal is well established.
If you needed a hand gun for only a couple of shots certainly it can be all printed plastic. Think zip gun.
No I am not going to describe how it might be done.
R F Burns: I did a technical and industrial consulting project on use of powdered metals for fabricating rocket nozzles. Cool (and hot) stuff. Fascinating, actually, and an important sector of the materials and manufacturing indutries.
NO SUCH THING AS “GHOST GUN”.
Since BATF inception in 1971, their regulations have allowed home built firearms, for personal use by the builder, as long as the builder isn’t prohibited from owning firearms, and the firearm built doesn’t violate federal or state law.
BATF doesn’t require a serial number for two reasons: (1) Because the firearm, being explicitly for the home builder’s use, isn’t entering commerce. (2) Because BATF only has jurisdictional authority to regulate federal fiream licensees who’ve secured a firearm dealer or manufacturing license from BATF.
The term “ghost gun” is not a legal definition of any firearm. It’s an propaganda phrase designed to frighten people into supporting and clamoring for more and more ‘gun control’ to ‘make them safe’ from criminals and crime.
my high school shop teacher was making a rifle in the metal shop.
My brother-in-law made a rifle from scratch (tool and die guy).
It’s a Privately Made Gun. Legal in my state
It’s also not as easy to make one that works. Not the 15 min that the gov’t tells you. At least 2-4 weeks or more. Then drop test it and then range test, so not quick.
I worked for a major gun manufacturer. We had government contracts to build full auto M16’s. Even in a modern factory with a team of professional engineers it was no easy task to get everything right so the weapons would function reliably.
But building a gun that works most of the time is pretty easy 😂
Sourdough: Exactly. Along with “assault rifles” and “high-capacity magazines,” “ghost guns” are supposed to make us hide under the covers.
I’m literally shaking with fear as I read this. Sooo Scaaaarry!
Bingo!
Just like “assault weapon” gun. No such thing.
This whole shooting is a bullshit story. Like a quickly put together movie.
Thank you, Smitty.
I feel like your reply is getting me closer to understanding this, somewhat anyway.
Makes sense that you’d need to add metal at some point.
Which begs the question>>>> Why not just make the whole d*mn thing out of metal?
And, now that I’ve watched some of the vid, it looks like *most* of the gun is, in fact, made out of pre-made metal parts.
I think if someone wants a gun, it may be better to just buy one. May even be cheaper! haha.
Curious if these 3D Printers can use metal, or are they Plastic-Only things?
Glocks have been plastic for 40 years
Glock frames, yes. Barrel, chamber, slide, etc – all steel.
Articman: Yes, but, Glocks turn to metal as they get older 🙂
Didn’t plastic gun popularity soar in the late 1970’s – because of terrorism in Europe – causing airports to screen passengers through metal detectors ??
The price of the printer would be out of reach but they can do some metals: titanium, aluminum, stainless steel, etc. I would assume he had experience with high level 3D printers at Penn.
sunnydaze: Using powdered metals for 3-D printing is, indeed, an active area, but, definitely not something of the “do it yourself” variety. Think high-performance aircraft and rocket engine parts.
That helps explain it. Thank you!
“Ghost guns”
They sure do love their scary nomenclature, don’t they?
3d printing is an additive manufacturing process. Think of attaching Lego pieces together to make something bigger out of them.
As opposed to a subtractive manufacturing process like carving a figurine out of a piece of wood.
R F Burns: I actually worked on a process that was both additive and subtractive.
The machine uses plastic and does layers upon layers (think Lincoln logs) to build a 3d structure. You can build any 3d structure you like.
So you end up with a gun made out of plastic??
So there must be some kind of heat added along the way to melt all these plastic pieces together.
This is so weird.
I bet somebody’s making sculptures with this stuff.
Yes they are indeed using 3D printers to sculpt. Saw something on CBS recently.
Houses
yep. Heard about the houses.
Are they made out of Plastic, too? Serious question.
One of the biggest 3d-printers out there is located at the Advanced Composites Center at the University of Maine.
Think they’ve printed entire tiny homes with it. Well, at least all the structural elements. Walls, roof, etc.
The material if I remember correctly was a composite based mostly of an engineered wood type material. Think something analogous to what some of that IKEA furniture is made of.
Now that’s interesting.
They can use some cheap housing up there. Seems like a good fit for Maine.
My clothes are made of bamboo and wood fibers.
Haven’t you seen the video of a 3d printed house?
Yes. Now that it’s been re-posted, I do remember seeing it when it 1st came out.
Did not understand the concept of why they’d call it 3D Printing, tho.
Simply, the subject gets scanned from 3 dimensions (all around). Computer technology then uses that imagery to create a model of the original subject. The “printer” basically pours the mold.
It might be helpful to think of famous archaeology finds. Some dinosaur skeletons you see in museums are not the original, but “re-prints.”
sunnydaze: At present, you end up with a “lower” frame and trigger guard, and perhaps, a grip, made of plastic, but you still need to install all the internal parts (pins, springs, screws, trigger assembly, etc.) and then, you need a metal slide, a metal barrel and the internal parts for the metal slide. It’s not the “one shot” (pun intended) process that the media woul have you believe. Then, all those parts have to function perfectly together.
Nearly all firearms in the United States are made in factories and sold by gun dealers who must perform background checks and maintain records of all gun sales. 3D-printed guns are different. 3D-printed guns can potentially be made by anyone with a decent 3D printer and access to the internet. Some 3D-printed guns are made almost entirely of plastic on a 3D printer. Others require additional components, which are often made of metal or ceramic. Federal law specifically prohibits an individual from making or possessing a 3D-printed gun
So you’d have to buy non-plastic parts separately and install ’em?
Seems like that would be traceable.
Maybe; there’s an entire cottage industry where they cut up guns and resale them as parts kits.
https://everygunpart.com/handgun-kits/semi-auto.html
Replacement gun parts like slides, barrels, springs, triggers, extractors, recoil springs and guide rods etc can be bought at a gun store or online. None of them are traceable. Most pistols only have a serial number on the frame. Guns/Frames can only be bought from a Federally licensed dealer. JMO
“Federal law specifically prohibits an individual from making or possessing a 3D-printed gun”
No law can prohibit you from making or possessing a 3D-printed gun. Even if they pass it, it’s not legal, lol. I can make a gun, by any means that pleases me, I can even legally sell it as long as I didn’t make it w/the intent to sell it and it’s not prohibited i.e. full auto or suppressed. Depending on where you live, you can make it suppressed, legally.
Your last sentence is a false statement.
Tune in to MSM news tomorrow.
In the real world, you can take comfort in the possibility your taxes paid for the dog and pony show we are about to see.
CUT THE CORD
I don’t mind paying, I’m just sad he got caught!
Sort of like the fax idea. Paper in location, particles somewhere, paper out new location. Crazy!
My 26 year old nephew actually gave me an hour long hands on tutorial on the 3d printer. Cool stuff, but the item’s success depends on the quality of material you put in. And it’s all in the layers. I seriously needed to see something ‘printed’ to understand it🙄
You’re lucky you got an in-person demo!
Sunnydaze, I have the BEST nephews, who exercise great attention to and patience for their Auntie!!!
I’ve got two 3d-printers. The first I purchased was a fused deposition modeling 3d-printer. One that typically uses a thermoplastic filament.
The second was a resin 3d-printer. Both are cool. There are a number of differences between the two though.
Still deep info to understand, but I’m learning!
Sunnydaze, the bureaucrats use the Sig P320 (look it up on the Sig website) as an example of a ‘ghost gun’ where you can change the frame, barrel, and the slide to different sized guns (subcompact, compact, full size, 9mm , 40 cal, etc). The only problem is that the firing mechanism is serialized and that is the part that is registered. You have to go through a background check to buy the mechanism. You have to have that registered piece to make the firing mechanism to make it operate. The plastic frame can be 3D printed and one can buy a slide and barrel but you have to register the firing mechanism if you want to buy one of those. So people can be shown a 3D printed frame and say ‘look I printed a gun’ but they really did not.
Also, some people claim that a complete gun can be printed out of plastic. Unless it is something like a 22 cal short or a 25 ACP it isn’t going to work, not even once. I have a small pistol chambered in 380 and it is a pretty violent thing to shoot. If it were plastic it would be blowing up in the perp’s face.
The closest thing I ever saw to an illegal weapon being legally sold was the “Pirate Buster” or something like that. It was a 410 shotgun barrel that fit inside the barrel of a 12 ga marine flare gun. It turned the flare gun into a 410 shotgun pistol. It did not have to be registered because it was not technically a gun but the parts made a gun out of a flare gun. Those are banned now.
Me too!
THEY CAN MAKE MEAT.
According to the comedy-science fiction Prime Video series Upload, yes, they can make meat…
…but they do it all wrong.
It’s a funny show and does some creative stuff with trends. Lots of on the surface wokeism, but they’re really ridiculing it mercilessly most of the time.
Sorry, I can’t accommodate your request, but I can speculate that if Artificial Intelligence and 3-D printing ever combine to create a whole ‘nuther can of worms for us to deal with, it will be the end of the world as we know it, IMO. (J/K…sorta)
I’m sitting beside you in my 5th grade desk waiting for the teacher to explain 😘
To explain it like you are five, picture making Lego pieces and then building a gun or anything at all from the pieces you can print.. which are real pieces by the way.
But envision it like Legos.
A 3D printer can build objects by depositing materials bit by bit.Like laying bricks. They can build objects that would be impossible to machine or mold. I had a sample from a trade show, a 1 inch castle tower with a winding staircase inside.
I think they can use metal to build parts. Hence – the “ghost gun.”
I have some knowledge of 3d printing, being in the biomedical molding industry. 3d printing has made astounding progress in the last few years.
H13 steel is now being 3d printed, although the technology is very expensive.
But there is no point arguing about the method of manufacture.
The man is still dead,his family will never be the same and this killer just through his entire promising life away.
Pro tip:
Google is now passé.
You can now engage with an online AI for free and no subscription or sign in required to ask and get the answers to most questions like these if you are too lazy to look it up on YouTube.
I use Leo, he seems to be a bit Wokey and not very accurate sometimes.
The material the gun is made out of is at the location of the 3d printer. What is being transmitted to the printer are the exact specifications. As the printer receives the message it uses the material to build what the specifications direct slowly each layer at a time.
I apologize if this does not make sense. I have seen it at my nephews house. He is a robotics engineer.
Jazz, this is the *best* explanation so far, IMO.
So do people feed their own plans into the printer, or do you have to buy the pre-made plans?
You can do either actually.
There are sites that host files that you can download. Some are even free.
If you have a bit of technical ability you can use CAD software to create your own models, then use a 3d slicer program to convert it into build instructions a 3d printer can use. I’ve done this myself.
I think this is sort of summarized below. But the gun is mostly made from normal steel gun parts. Certainly the barrel and slide and firing pin and similar. These parts can be bought online, they are not considered “guns” legally. They’re just like replacement parts. Like the parts of a car don’t need VIN number but the frame does. Same with guns. For a semiautomatic pistol the frame, the grip part, is the gun.
THAT part could be 3D printed out of plastic but considerable work would be needed to make it function properly. Metal parts have to be embedded / attached into the plastic, the parts that the slide fits onto.
The Gateway Pundit has a picture of the gun taken at the time of his arrest. It’s possible the frame / grip part was 3D printed but maybe not. This, in combination with the suppressor attached to the threaded barrel (which was likely homemade) are why the pistol was essentially a single shot. He had to rack the slide every shot.
What I described below is to make a “real” semiautomatic 9mm handgun like the murderer used.
There have been “all plastic 3D printed guns” made. Of course, it’s not really all plastic. The firing pin, a metal spring or two and other minor parts must be metal. The barrel is smooth bore and thick plastic, like 1” all around. That cannot handle 9mm but only something small like .22LR. Single shot breach loading. Even then it could only fire 1-3 shots I recall before it became non-functional.
sunnydaze: Many of today’s most popular handguns (semi-auto pistols, that is) have a “lower,” or the part (actually, assembly of parts) consisting of the frame, the grip and the trigger guard, made of polymer. The “uppers,” consisting of the slide, and the barrel, are still made of metal, because these parts must contain, control and manage the extreme, explosive force of the loaded cartridge, when fired. Making certain smaller, internal parts of plastic is common.
I was directly involved with an early 3-D printing start up in the 1990s and the founder was a noted and published authority on 3-D printing technology and applications. 3-D printing is a more than 35-year-old prototyping and manufacturing approach and there are numerous different technological variations. Making a semi-auto pistol “lower” via 3-D printing is no big deal for someone with the right kind of machine, computer files and expertise. A big issue is getting all the dimensions nd tolerances “just right,” because many very small parts must be installed before the “lower” can be functional. Making a handgun entirely out of plastic–including the slide and the barrel, and having a functioning firearm that won’t blow apart or stop functioning due to deformation and degradation of materials–that’s a different story.
3-D printing employs computer-controlled machines that create solid objects (parts, mostly), using highy accurate and precise digital models to direct the deposition and solidification or the removal of material, leaving behind a “finished” part at the end of the production cycle (which can take minutes to hours). Usually, material, such as melted or fluid polymers, are deposited through a tiny nozzle (think “ink jet printer head”) or “solidified in place” by a laser beam. There are other approaches, as well.
I would not get hung up on the whole “3-D printed, ghost gun” narrative. These are imprecise, sensationalized media terms and anti-gun political and regulatory terms, to make the guns sound “scary” and “bad.” Most serious gun people just yawn at these terms.
It uses goop and drip builds it from the inside out.
So off the top of my head, we have a trans extremist murdering four children at a Christian school, a climate extremist stalking & murdering a corporate executive, BLM & Antifa extremists torching Federal buildings and killing multiple people, and the DNC leaders involved in the plot to ass@assinate a former POTUS… Wondering what the Dem0crat Party would need to do to qualify as a Domestic Violent Extremist Group, and be designated as such by our incoming FBI?
How do we know this guy was Dem?
Maybe I missed something.
He was at UPenn.
Climate Change activist or something like that.
There were a couple “causes” he was involved in that were Lefty.
His relative is a “Republican” in the state legislature in Maryland.
We don’t “know” that he was a Dem, but I’m putting the probability at over 90%. Him voting for Harris, if he voted, 99.9% chance.
Striking that his social media didn’t have any election related posts. The guy wasn’t interested in politics – at least not of the mainstream partisan sort
They have been DVEs since 1820..
Lincoln wanted to heal the nation instead of putting them all in prison or hung.
That hasn’t aged too well for us.
I know, I know. Put on MAGA hats and sing I’m glad to be an American.
Either that, or try to refrain from murdering people merely for disagreeing with ones public policy views.
So of course guns are the problem. I am going to have to have a serious talk with mine.
Maybe Southern Poverty Law knows the answer.
How could anyone be stupid enough to carry it with them this whole time?
He attended the Ivy League University of Pennsylvania where he studied computer science and engineering before working in a software company based in Santa Monica, California.
A science nerd. Imagine Sheldon Cooper trying to work out the practicalities of a hit.
Okay, so he’s so smart that he’s stupid.
(add this to your notes)
Santa Monica = Rand Corporation
As Usual, something fishy here?
Why didn’t he get rid of the Gun?
Why didn’t he change his clothing?
He maybe thought that getting out of town fast was best. Don’t stop to change clothes, ditch the gun…
Amateur.
He obviously wanted to get caught, because he could have gotten away with it!
If he would have kept his dick in his pants instead of flirting with a wench from the hostel he would have.
Are you saying “He. Took. It. Out?”
He seems mostly to have expected to get killed instead of caught – he was carrying his manifesto with confession on his person.
My guess is that he retained the pistol to fight to death trying to escape or kill more establishment.
“Leave the gun, take the cannoli.”
He should have watched more movies.
“Leave the gun, take the Happy Meal.” Too early?
Perhaps so much arrogance that one can’t imagine getting caught?
He wanted to be caught, perhaps have his manifesto in the evening news.
Him wanting to get caught makes the most sense to me.
It’s really a tragedy, such a young guy, smart, talented with so much to live for. He appears to have been radicalized to the point of insanity.
Great job U Penn, kudos to Gilman Prep!
Bingo.
Apparently he was so proud of it he couldn’t part with it. Why do I think that we will find more then one loose screw in this one
Dummies do not get admitted to the University of Penn., let alone graduate with 2 engineering degrees. So, how can he be such a dummy to be arrested with all the incriminating evidence in his possession.
Pretty smart McD employee to recognize him. Dors that person get the reward money?
Latest report is that a customer spotted him, and told an employee, who called 911.
Both should get the reward. This guy was still armed.
The Ivies are used by the three letter agencies to find their useful idiots.
Like the military, they like them young and malleable.
Think MK Ultra, Operation Paperclip, etc. Brainwashed with a split personality.
Bingo!! Knew a young man who was homeschooled and in Civil Air Patrol and he was evidently “recruited” in his late teens, because he was incredibly “patriotic” and desperately wanted to be a hero… no idea what ended up happening to him but last I heard he was an emotional mess, but still thought he was “all that”. He was probably not all there to begin with and therefore highly suggestible, unfortunately!
David Ferrie was Civil Air Patrol so it tracks.
Wow! Did not know that name but after looking it up I am connecting many dots that I had always wondered about!
YES!
This is about what I was thinking myself that I posted here somewhere.. before I even read all this.
MK Ultra is what I said too,, (Nicholas Cruz came to my mind).
I have known educated, smart people, pass every test and excel academically but have no common sense.
I have worked with a number of different engineers, and with one or two exceptions they were book smart but dumb as a box of rocks when it came to common sense.
Just imo, math-brains are often easier to ‘street organize’ than verbal ones, because the former are about things, rather than about people. I think they’re easier for M@rxists to manipulate emotionally, b/c slower to recognize psy-ops.
Give me a Redneck over a PhD any time. Always a better time.
Imagine a redneck with a PHD (Post Hole Digger).
Do they make the holes for the posts for the McTurtles to sit on?
Plenty of “rednecks” with PHDs in engineering and other technology fields.
in a pinch,yep.
You might be a redneck if….?
So true!
> dummy
Funny way to spell
>spook
All book smart no street smart.
He’s not a real engineer, science or math grad but rather a double degreed Ivy computer nerd.
Why shouldn’t he or she?
Didn’t Joe Biden teach there?
He probably figured his tracks were covered. Nobody would ever figure out who he was, where he came from, or where he went. He went to great lengths to avoid detection, using a fake ID to register at the hostel and then escaping through Central Park using several modes of transit to reach the bus station.
If he was monitoring the news, once he knew the police had tracked him to the bus station and had photos of his face he definitely should have ditched all the evidence. Frankly he should have ditched all of it in Central Park. If he didn’t have anything on him when he was questioned by police he might not have been arrested at all.
What is the probability of jury nullification?
Given that he is an upper middle class able-bodied cisgender (I assume) male, I’d doubt that he’d inspire much jury nullification.
Does not check a single victim box.
I was thinking more of the healthcare angle. I’m sure juror questionnaires will ask if they have ever had a healthcare claim rejected.
Yes, that will definitely be an issue in securing an impartial jury.
He checks many boxes for the families who lost relatives because of that company.
Those people would probably be challenged for cause in jury selection, although it’s possible they could claim they’d be impartial.
Rich as all get out and can’t self-pay for healthcare?
I haven’t seen any evidence of cis-genderism.
I’m willing to venture out and say every word of thus reporting is probably a lie. More likely the actual hitter was someone “with intelligence” and this poor bastard is the fall guy.
Oh, really? You don’t say?
Luigi Mangione, huh?
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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I shoulda scrolled before I posted below- it was Mario- not Luigi!!! 🤣
Luigi was Mario’s friend as I recall.
How convenient that all of the evidence was there to find. Did they also find the FBI agent under the bed?
Don’t you all keep copies of your manifestos on your person at all times? 😄
I think mine is somewhere with my tax returns. 😀
What self-respecting assassin doesn’t??
This isn’t the dark ages.
Does his living quarters contain any silverware?
Ain’t a ‘ghost gun’
No one sells such a partially completed handgun frame, which when completed would be a replica of Bruger & Thomet’s VP9 that the kid used. Neither did the kid thread the barrel or build the can.
GD feds calling it a ghost gun to fully ban the LEGAL practice of home built firearms for the personal use of the builder. These goons want everyone disarmed for their future push towards full Communism. Banning AR15’s means they won’t face the same firepower they’d unleash on us.
Build everything you can that’s federally and state lawful, don’t serialize it (BATF regs do NOT require sn on home built firearms for private use of the builder), and buy all the ammo you can online in 1,000 round lots, because online prices per 1,000 are much better than in stores.
VP9 = Veterinary pistol used for putting down sick, rabid, automobile hit animals
Like we didn’t see this coming..
What’s worse is most ‘pro-gun’ lawyers hired to defend against these gun grabs are shockingly stupid about guns and gun laws. The clown who argued against ghost gun bans before SCOTUS never corrected Roberts when he said, “So you just have to drill a hole. How long’s that take? Doesn’t seem very complicated”.
That was re: AR15 lowers. The lawyer should’ve had a Bridgeport milling machine and FFL Class II SOT manufacturer brought into the court, and showed Roberts the steps from fixturing the 80% lower, to hogging and final milling of FCC pocket, etc. And don’t forget building the upper with proper jigs for barrel alignment, stock alignment, etc. A good 6 to 8 hours for an experienced builder.
The government trying to ban guns is so hilarious, I’ve often pointed out it’s like trying to ban the wheel.
The end result is going to be someone making improvised firearms out of iron pipes and the like. Crude, but still effective in the right situation.
Back in late sixties our state police had a winabego type for demo the different type of home made guns.they had thousands of different types.
He didn’t use a B&T.
Forgotten Weapons on YouTube has a video on the B&T and agrees with you.
https://youtube.com/shorts/POubd0SoCQ8?si=TarVVR1DbRfXEY5q
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Did the McDonald’s employee get the $50,000 reward?
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5 years free Big Macs and Filet O Fish
And a $1 pay raise.
That’s $100k+ these days
Opportunity to work with Trump at the fry station
That’s only good for Trump.
How did he know who was and where/when to find the CEO?
Annual United Health investors’ meeting in NYC.
Color me suspicious. Going after 3d fi÷ea÷ms, I guess.
This whole thing smells like a truckload of Biden promises. Every single datapoint sounds like BS.
Now onto the CEO of United HC. Sorry, no Fs given. United is an evil empire that seeks to shipwreck private practitioners by limiting provider access to their “system” via credentialing hurdles, scams, and outright fabrications (lies to the uninitiated) and willfully harm their insureds by denying then the coverage they promise explicitly and implicitly. This is larceny by conversion with malice aforethought.
Your insurance company hates you and your MD. The day you figure that out is the day your healthcare begins to improve.
I already figured that out. I use concierge doctors who charge a fixed monthly fee.
After I started to use online doctors, my legacy physician began to offer concierge packages to his patients, as well. The concept of staying clear of insurance interference is catching on.
My own UHC Experience was blatant bait and switch. And ridiculous customer service.
That is why I see as little of them as possible and pay over $200+ a month average for the privilege.
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After this I am all for gun control..
Death Cult Democrats or the Naturalized offspring thereof, are banned from ownership for life.
They shouldn’t be able to look at them on TV, movies and especially video games. These people shouldn’t even be able to read about them.
Hawaii? Again? Can this be a coincidence?
Getting a Routh/Crooks-vibe, too.
Wasn’t there some big Dem mover and shaker with Hawaii ties? Jugheaded dude. I forget the name
My thoughts as well…
The FBI Honolulu field office must have a very active outreach program.
Nope. Hawaii is getting fuct up.
There is quite the field office in Hawaii. So I am told.
Alphabet Agencies enjoy the beaches, too.
There just went the “pro” hitman theory. A real pro would never be caught, he’d be in South America days ago under a new name, look and IDs. A pro hitter would never be that close to his target either. They hit from a distance to minimize possibility of identification.
Or even a smart/careful amateur that did not want to get caught.
you cannot survive on an ivy league edu alone knowledge of the “streets” is reqd, who carries all the evidence with them when theyre wanted??
This perp is a poster-child for the “Highly educated, Expert-class moron.”
He went to top schools, got top test scores, came from a rich and connected family, he probably thinks he was too clever to get busted. But in the end he is a moron, an evil murderous moron.
The funny thing is that the University of Pennsylvania is in West Philadelphia, and the university community is next to a more lower class urban community (albeit one that is being gentrified block-by-block).
If the military wanted to train medics on how to treat bullet and knife wounds, they could have them on duty in the emergency rooms every weekend at HUP or Presbyterian.
Charity Hospital in New Orleans as well.
Did he go to college and graduate 🧑🏽🎓 just to make a gun using a schematic done ✔️ on a 3D printer 🖨️? And yes, how did he make a gun from a 3D printer 🖨️?
It would take layers and layers to explain.
Voting for a hung jury. The trial will be a 3-ring circus.
So he hated corporate America. I wonder where he got those ideas? We need to fix our education system pronto.
Corporate America deserves to be hated!
Reportedly a UnaBomber fan. Who was an Al Gore fan.
I work in health care…been at the bottom rung for decades…and despise corporate America and their form of fascism but I don’t do things like this…and I went to a liberal all girls university.
My doctor’s office staff (all older middle-aged women) have Snow White themed decorations all over their workspace and act very condescending to me, at times.
I worked at the lower rung of healthcare my entire life and would never conceive of such a thing.
and where does he think his $$ came from to fund his elite education?
> ghost gun
Well, dang if my posse wasn’t waiting for that to be part of the Big Announcement.
So the assassination has a record of two guys from HW and Two guys that worked in Nursing Homes.
Nobody has ever claimed that Wray is creative.
Is that why they have changed gears now that Patel is hot on the case?
The PA goobener wasted no time finding the cameras and prejudicing the case.
How does a 26 yr old valedictorian get 4 false id’s?
He’s not a criminal, drug dealer kind of guy.
So…..he knew someone?
He’s a computer whiz as well as engineering. Also a sociopath apparently.
I think you just tell the DMV that you’re an illegal.
But showed it to a (rookie) cop when asked for ID?
ask the college kids who mostly have fake ID’s!
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Does the picture of him smiling to the barista look like he is nervous before the hit? He looks calm and collected. He has done this many times before.
His father is a representative. Is he a ‘Hunter Biden’, that is, doing jobs on orders from his father for political advantage on behalf powerful interests? What legislation does his father work on? Insurance, perhaps?
I think it’s a cousin that’s a Maryland representative..
You are right. That is my error. And, the cuz is a state rep.
D’Alesandro crime family?
Somebody really needs to dig into this conjecture. If proven true, then connections begin to form.
Not father. Cousin.
Yes, my error.
The father owns a couple of properties in Maryland, one a country club:
https://www.hayfieldscc.com/Home
I didn’t note the name of the other property.
Numerous nursing homes.
It amazes me how the authorities can find and arrest some people just like that yet others who are knowingly guilty of things are just passed by.
This smells like a Deep State narrative with another patsy. His poor OPSEC, retaining evidence long after the shooting, no deep hidie hole.
This guy has dual-engineering degrees and his planning was this poor? Not passing sniff test.
we haven’t had a really good gun grab since sandy hook.
Jones was wrong about the victims being actors, but he could have still been right about the perps.
I’m still not convinced because Obama and bulldozers were in operation.
….after his arrest
… the pic with his sister
He got the big brain, she got the big Americans.
He never looks all hunched over from back pain. In all of his photos he is smiling from ear to ear with his mutant teeth.
Looks like a wet spot on his jeans? He peed himself?
Most likely he did.
I would probably too, if I were in his situation.
A slight 5 o’clock shadow but relatively clean shaven…wonder where he was staying?
Who took that picture? Did he wet his pants?
Taylor Lorenze the former WP and now fired CNN chick, was following this guy on X for some time, before the crime occurred. She is the one that posted a picture of one of BCBS executive board members and said, next? or something to that effect.
Coincidence? I think not.
That piece of string is going to run to all sorts of common denominators on that big wall with names and tacks on it.
By “this guy” do you mean the CEO, or Luigi Mangione?
I would have expected the shooter to discard or destroy everything used in the hit. So either this guy is monumentally clueless, or he isn’t actually the shooter at all. Or, lastly, maybe his handlers told him to hang on to that stuff and then set him up to take the fall.
Monumentally arrogant more likely
That didn’t take long, did it?
In stark contrast to certain earlier assassination attempts….
Probably just me that thought the following:
So the man is all into healthy living, rock climbing, etc. looks all buff, but he is eating at a MacDonalds?
Just the way my mind works…..haha!
Lots about the reporting make no sense to me, however my very first thought was why MacDonalds?
Of course, I do not have 2 degrees from Ivy, nor was I the class valedictorian, so that must be why I am stumped!
Wasn’t there a Dem pol with ties to Maryland Italians going back several generations?
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Just don’t loose sight of the false narrative. A ‘ghost gun’ is a gun the government didn’t know existed. All guns, should be ‘ghost guns’ as the government isn’t supposed to be keeping a list. The whole point of having an ‘untraceable gun’ is you can either leave it at the crime scene, or ditch it. To keep it on you as you attempt to run from the ‘law’ is hard to swallow. If your going to commit a crime of this nature, “thermite” should be amongst the first things you introduce that gun to minutes after the crime. Another narrative, so stupid, it’s already sounds like some conspiratorial B.S.
Shhh the second amendment is old fashion. Just some old white guys that believed freedoms might need to be protected. You cant have guns the Guberment doesn’t know about how can they take them away??
Now no more shinning lights on the plan my friend you might wake some folks up.
Red Alert: CNN reporting Mangione said to Judge the $8k in U.S. cash and $2k in foreign currency were planted on him –
“Mangione verbally pushed back against two claims from prosecutors in court — first a claim that because Mangione was found with $8,000 in cash on him that he was trying to evade authorities.
The other claim was that because he had a Faraday bag on him, which blocks cell signal — this showed evidence of criminal sophistication. Mangione said to the first claim that he did not know where the money he had on him came from, saying maybe it was planted. On the second claim, he said that the bag was waterproof and he didn’t know about criminal sophistication.”
Shooting Suspect Luigi Mangione Tells Judge Foreign Currency Was “Planted” On Him
FTA –
Mangione verbally pushed back against two claims from prosecutors in court — first a claim that because Mangione was found with $8,000 in cash on him that he was trying to evade authorities.
The other claim was that because he had a Faraday bag on him, which blocks cell signal — this showed evidence of criminal sophistication. Mangione said to the first claim that he did not know where the money he had on him came from, saying maybe it was planted. On the second claim, he said that the bag was waterproof and he didn’t know about criminal sophistication.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/shooting-suspect-luigi-mangione-tells-judge-foreign-currency/
They can be checked for Mangione’s fingerprints.
In the video this guy is seen trying to re-cock the pistol several times. It just might have been a weapon that had 3-D parts. Didn’t seem to function all that well. So there’s that.. 🤷🏼♂️
Should state the video I saw earlier in the news yesterday and this morning.
Apparently, ole Luigi was a child of means. His family owns a variety of businesses and country clubs. Obviously, very bright with 2 degrees in engineering.
From what I understand he claims to be an environmental activist and estranged from his family.
I guess it’s nice to be born with a platinum spoon in your mouth and stick it to your family. NOT!
So I guess he’s not that bright after all.🤷🏻♀️
There is a lot that is odd about this case.
This guy is supposedly so smart, fancy education and all, but then he did such dumb things.
I saw spelling mistakes in his Tweets.
So have we got another spoiled rich kid here that was not exactly a bright bulb, but yet been passed all along and given the free ride through life because he’s a rich kid from the right family?
(I mean how many Elites are there with this same story.. *eyeroll*, the Kennedys come to mind and David Hogg)
And because he’s not very bright, he was then easily brainwashed by all this propaganda?
I’m just piecing this all together based on snippets here and there but this smells like a MK-Ultra sorta situation.. or something along those lines. It’s off somehow.
Apparently Luigi read Hunter Biden’s book “Hiding Incriminating Evidence for Dummies.”
The chapter on “leaving your evidence at a repair shop because they’ll never find it there” is gold, Jerry. Gold!
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So if Braggart gets jurisdiction of the case how does it go down?
The white privileged CEO versus the white privileged young ivy leaguer.
Who does the leftist/black jury side with?
Anger management classes would have helped Mr Mangione
Evidently, UHC was extorting doctors, hospitals, and clinics by slow walking reimbursements. That caused the doctors, hospitals, and clinics to be in financial extremis. Then UHC would go in a buy the business for pennies on the dollar.
Interesting. Do you have more details on this? Would like to learn more
Set up.
Scrolling through all the comments all I am left to say is…
How DARE you freaks and conspiracy nuts not swallow the media narrative being fed to you! Outrageous!
A Big Insur CEO was killed for crying out loud! God only know if his wife and kids have enough millions to stay in their mansion, much less retain all the servants.
WTH is the matter with you people??
How do you know he was killed? Proof.
It isn’t hard to figure out. The assassin was a disgruntled patient, suffering from chronic back pain. He was mad at his insurance company, lots of people share his sentiments. He killed the CEO to make a statement and get revenge for the wrong he thinks was done to him. He’s highly educated and intelligent, he thought he’d committed the perfect crime and got away clean, they would never find him. He was so sure of himself he didn’t bother to ditch the gun and other incriminating evidence. What a schmuck.
Look at what Laura Loomer has figured out..
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1866256233558360364
Interesting. Now we might actually be getting somewhere.
Someone better put “Luigi” on a Hillar……errrr…..suicide watch.
I don’t think it’s a relevant connection. He came from an upper first family, they tend to travel in overlapping circles.
And add to that discovery the insider trading DOJ investigation trail. Things are starting to shape up 🧐
That angle needs a lot more attention, since it is the only one that makes sense.
I dont get it. This guy seemed to have everything going for him.
It is believed Mangione was angry at the way the medical insurance industry treated a sick relative, according to the New York Post.
Further details on that relative or their identity have not been shared, although online obituaries show Mangione lost a grandmother in 2013 and a grandfather in 2017.
His X account also shows an x-ray of a complicated neck surgery.
Luigi Mangione’s startled reaction as McDonald’s workers IDed suspected assassin after 5 days on the run | Daily Mail Online
Yup – he thought he was home free. He fled NYC, then laid low in Pennsylvania for several days. No doubt expecting to avoid the dragnet by letting it pass him by, then continuing his journey after police figured he was no longer in the country.
“Perhaps he was indoctrinated and radicalized by his college professors at the University of Pennsylvania.” – Jordan Conradson
Ya think?