The Supreme Court has granted certiorari and accepted the case of President Trump arguing presidential immunity from prosecution for official acts while in office. At the heart of the issue the court will determine if the charges brought by Jack Smith need to be dropped, or if the case against President Trump can continue forward.
If the Supreme Court begins defining what types of immunity exist for Presidents in office, they are beginning to open the door to multiple Lawfare efforts against the chief executive by agencies of the administrative state. This could be extremely troublesome for the future abilities of the presidency far beyond Donald Trump.
[SOURCE]
WASHINGTON DC – In a one-page order Wednesday, the court set an expedited schedule to hear the immunity issue, with oral arguments to be set during the week of April 22. In the meantime, proceedings in the trial court will remain frozen.
[T]he court’s decision to keep the pretrial proceedings frozen is a blow to special counsel Jack Smith’s effort to bring Trump to trial this year. Smith has charged Trump with four felonies stemming from his bid to subvert the 2020 presidential election.
Trump claims that, as a former president, he enjoys broad immunity from criminal prosecution for acts taken while in office. Lower courts have rejected that claim, but proceedings in the trial court have been paused for more than two months while Trump has litigated the novel immunity question. (more)
The leftist Lawfare cheerleaders are not happy with the Supreme Court decision.
.
President Trump did absolutely nothing wrong.
Same with all of these cases against him. They have NOTHING on him. It’s all a sham for the court of public opinion.
Jack Smith doesn’t dare bring this case forward. Think of the discovery. The whole fake “Insurrection” was an operation conducted by Pelosi and crew with assistance of undercover agents mixed in.
Does anyone trying to take down President Trump really want any of the truth about Jan 6th presented? NO because it exposes the bad guys.
The truth is President Trump won the 2020 Election in an overwhelming landslide (similar to his Primary wins now). Let’s not forget that!
We know the truth. Do the criminals in DC want the truth revealed? Go ahead, make my day!
Disagree on one point…JS WANTS to bring this case forward…it keeps the news cycle against our Lion going with cover from the MSM.
It’s never been based upon evidence, facts or wrong doing…just innuendo…
Jack Smith wants this to go to trial as much as MuellerWeissman wanted their cases against those Russian companies to go to trial during the Russia, Russia, Russia probe.
Remember when one of those companies showed up to court to proceed with the case? That was a big “Oh s#it” moment for the Lawfare crew. They tried to delay saying they needed more time. The judge scolded the Lawfare crew before tossing the case.
Same here. It’s all preening and fake outrage.
If he had a case at all, he wouldn’t be relying on DS aligned judges to muzzle the defendant.
Just like lying ass fat Fani she is toast she better hope she dont end up in jail…
She has 3 levels of privilege. Black, female & communist. She will never, ever go to trial let alone jail.
She won’t get disbarred either. Another state bar review board will prove how worthless they really are.
Above all communist
Soldiers mom,
We will see what this judge is made of.
The fraud on the court is extremely blatant in this case, and by court officers.
McAfee has to be concerned about deterence.
Given the texts, and Willis’ friend both indicating that the affair started in 2019, I don’t think he has a lot of options. I expect an ethics referral to the Bar Association and a disqualication for Nathan’s Hot Dog and Willis. McAfee will transfer the matter to other counsel dependent on Georgia statute. Those two entities will call balls and strikes after that. He gets it off his desk and sends a message.
This conduct is so blatant, I can’t see it being ignored.
There is no shade of gray here, even though it is Fulton county.
The court should realize it is on trial … too many people watching.
I informed a friend 6-8 months ago that we are witnessing the ‘law’ itself being put on trial.
“The law is good, if a man use it lawfully” The Bible
Trust God. Fear not.
She won’t! Democrats get away ay with everything
Fani needs stupid immunity because she is a da sister.👀😂
Concord Management, one of several Russian entities accused of election meddling.
Not to read his mind, but I believe Minuteman was talking about a case for the Jan 6th insurrection charge itself.
Jack wants THIS case to move forward but he doesn’t want to litigate the January 6th FBI operation to create an emergency declaration whereby the election fraud could not be debated on the House floor before certification of the steal.
Except Jack has not charged anyone with insurrection.
Not only that, but I would NOT put it past this cowardly “conservative” SCOTUS to stab the Constitution and the American people in the back on this one and rule in favor of the Deep State. You can probably guess which 2 sell outs of the fake conservative wing would rule in favor of giving unelected bureau-rats more and more power in our dying system of government. We are being purposefully led right over the civilizational cliff by liars, scoundrels, and cowards. And the rest of the bums are just pure EVIL. Oh come Lord Jesus, please come now.
Believing what I read about blackmail information being compiled against all conservatives, including the Supreme Court; and having seen ‘conservative’ Justices agree with rulings that make no sense (Roberts: Obamacare is a tax), I don’t have faith they will stop Jack Smith.
Exactly right Laurie. Rather than upholding the Rule of Law, Roberts (in particular) seems to base his rulings on the potential sociocultural outcomes which may or may not occur. He thinks he is akin to a demigod, so if these outcomes don’t seem ‘fair’ to his own personal value system, then he rules accordingly even creating new laws from the bench which is a Cardinal sin if our 3-branch system of government is ever to work properly. Likewise, if the potential outcomes are anti-woke and/or pro freedom, good luck getting his vote. And I also believe that the newer Justices with school-aged children are overly concerned about being accepted by the SWAMP and MSM. I believe that they truly factor this into their judgements of hot-button political issues – desperately worried that the Woke mob will relentlessly attack their family. Which of course they will do with the aid and comfort of the disgusting mainstream media.
Jack Smith has no constitutional authority to do Jackshit. Former AG Ed Meese has proven it to the T per the U.S.Constitution. The judicial branch is rogue.
I’m not sure at this point we want it to die over that. We want it to die because it’s total crap and made obvious.
Meese said that Smith is not and has never been an “officer of the court” and that disqualifies Smith from having been appointed by the DOJ and ineligible to bring the case against President Trump. HOUSE of CARDS PERIOD.
HEY WHOMEVER, the public ain’t buyin it anymore!!! Go MAGA
IF those who developed the plan to launch these lawfare cases against PDJT had planned, AT THE OUTSET, to pursue them all the way to eventual conviction, held up on appeal, why would they have committed a major, foundational error in how they appointed Jack Smith, virtually guaranteeing at the outset that the cases Smith initiated could not POSSIBLY survive challenge?
Muellers team was never intended to actually write a report; PDJT was supposed to get frustrated, and FIRE them, giving Senate Repubs a justification (excuse) to say they would vote to convict if he didn’t resign.
When it became obvious no provocation would cause PDJT to fall for their “Obstruction trap”, they brought Barr in to wind it down.
So, this time they put a built in ripcord to pull, once the cases Smith was prosecuting had outlived their usefulness.
The idea was AFTER PDJT is ‘forced to abandon his campaign, in order to focuson fighting to stay out of Prison’,…and the Nation is focused on a DeSantis/Haley vs Biden/Harris 2024 election,…THEN it will be discovered that Merrick Garland, previous SCOTUS nominee, and a whole Justice Dept FULL if lawyers,..overlooked the statutory requirements for how to legally select/appoint a Special Prosecutor.
Didn’t even explore the whole issue of the impossibility of incarcerating a former President with legally required SS protection, etc.
The plan isn’t working, and has about outlived its usefullness, much like Nikki as a candidate.
Its still rolling due to momentum, and the Republican National Convention, where they had HOPED this plan would give the RNC the excuse it needed to deny PDJT the nomination.
I expect Nikki to reprise the Ted Cruz at the Convention moment, with similar results.
I believe now that the original plan by the Deep State/DNC/DOJ, et al, was to swamp candidate Trump with as many Lawfare trials as possible in order for their complicit partners in the MSM to beat their drums to keep their smears against Trump in the news cycles all the way to Nov. 5th.
They don’t really need a conviction, which seems unlikely now, for their Smears Campaign to work on the Low Infos.
However, even the low infos buy gas and groceries now and see how Biden’s Bidenflation and his illegal alien invasion is ruining daily life in their big blue Chitole cities now,… so, who knows how effective their Smear Campaign will work now?
Plan B is their mail in ballot fraud,…. in the millions,… with the help of Union member mules.
Hope the RNC’s Laura Trump has an effective plan to deflect the DNC’s election steal attempts.
This.
Concur.
Yep
With Communists regimes, any patriotic act is severely punishable.
Well said
I also wonder why Jack Smith thinks he can keep witnesses secret from the defense team – there is no threat of violence, so it would not seem justified.
That picture of Herr Weissmann is spot on. He’s definitely in the top 5 or 10 of real seditionists running free in this former Republic.
Norm Eisen with him and a bunch of Intel community DSholes who have largely been identified at the treehouse at different times.
Along with his buddies in Brussels, Geneva, Paris, and London.
GaryTapperson: “The only means to get a sitting President should be Impeachment and Removal from office… otherwise a sitting President must have immunity. It’s that simple. It should be an easy 9-0 decision.”
It is possible the nine justices and their staffs already know which way the decision will go and are taking the actions needed to get it over with quickly.
I don’t expect the decision to be either unanimous or a complete defense of impeachment and removal from office as the only means of dealing with what would normally be considered criminal actions if done by a normal citizen.
Why would SCOTUS deliver a decision which is something less than 100% immunity except through impeachment and removal from office?
Because they don’t want a woke DC Swamp mob to burn down their houses and threaten to kill their children, their husbands, their wives — and last but not least, their staffs and themselves.
SCOTUS Has been bought and paid for by Xi.
Not sure about Xi but I think the bought and paid for part is spot on.
My question is, will Trump end up gaining immunity for Obama et al?
He should be tried for Treason. Are these court cases going to set a precedent so he can never be charged?
His treason has largely been post presidency. He structured all this while president, but orchestrated afterward. Both are seditious.
Perhaps, but Obama’s machinations post-presidency deserve a Texas or Florida grand jury.
Or me!
Keith Rodebush: “My question is, will Trump end up gaining immunity for Obama et al? He [Obama] should be tried for Treason. Are these court cases going to set a precedent so he can never be charged?”
If the Supreme Court decides that a president has 100% immunity after his or her term for actions taken while he or she was president, except through impeachment and conviction while holding office as president — then yes, Obama (et al) will have immunity from anything they did while they were president.
And that includes Joe Biden taking bribes and selling out to the Chinese. Without an impeachment and conviction, he gets off for what are clearly high crimes and misdomeaners under the intent of the constitution.
It does not include Ciden. He committed those crimes while NOT POTUS.
Exactly.
SoldiersMom: “It does not include Ciden. He committed those crimes while NOT POTUS.”
Presidential immunity is an all or nothing proposition while a president holds office. It cannot be otherwise if we are to remain a constitutional republic.
While Biden is president, he cannot be charged with a crime of any kind except through impeachment by the House and conviction by the Senate.
But after Biden is out of office?
If Biden hasn’t been impeached and removed from office, he cannot be charged with a crime for the actions he took while he was president. Even if those actions were a consequence of, and in accordance with, his pre-presidency sell-out to the Chinese.
In cases which don’t involve actions he took while he was president, Biden is fair game for prosecution after he leaves office for any crimes committed before or after he was president. Not that any jury in the DC Swamp would convict him, of course.
The point is that his criminal enterprise happened, at least partially, while he was out of office.
He should be impeached sometime mid way in the campaign. Force the Dems to make a decision on him and whether they want Harris elevated. Scramble their well laid plans and mess Joe up too. Charge him with high crimes and misdemeanors. They impeached PTrump during the election year, right? Make them defend Joe while trying to run the cheat campaign again.
That’s fine. We don’t need to take out Obama to take out his army.
Remember how the conservative SCOTUS members had their addresses exposed during the manic eruption caused by the back door release of the R v W decision? No one except Sundance found the pre-motion leaker. And no one found out who disclosed the home addresses. Several individuals need to be “Epsteined” for their actions!
More likely that patriots will be Seth Rich’ed.
If they kill this, they’ll weirdly be helping Democrats. The fraudulent prosecutions are helping Trump. A trial in the summer/fall will make things even worse for them.
Watch how fast Jack Smith claims he has immunity when Trump wins…
I don’t know about anyone else, but I’ve been having a real problem with hate over the last few years. I never had this problem before. I know Jesus said we should love our enemy, but I’m really struggling to love those who are destroying our country and those who seem to want to destroy me, my family and anyone like us (Treepers).
Any advice?
I am struggling with this too recently. Keep praying, I sense God is moving and will take care of everything for us. I believe the left’s goal right now is either a scortched earth or to get the right to flinch.
Pray, always, but He expects us to bring our shovels and work alongside him.
I love all mankind on the inside… hope and pray those that have lost their way will make a correction before they die…but I exhibit my hate for them on the outside to let them know what they are doing is demonic.. works for me..
🇺🇸💪😀👍
I TRY, not easy but I TRY to do as parents with errant children; focus on hating the BEHAVIOR, notthe behaver; ‘”I love you, son but I am very upset with what you DID, with your BEHAVIOR.”
After all, son thru a rock thru a window, broke a lamp by roughhousing, etc.
So, I can “love my neighbor” as a child of God, while hating their self righteous, virtual signalling leftist, globullust supporting nonsensical BEHAVIOR.
I can do this, relatively easy with the leftists I encounter in my daily life; relatives, people at the grocery store, etc.
Those “LEADERS” in prominent roles in life, the Schumers, and even more the McConnells,…THATS far more challenging for me.
Frankly, THEM I hate, and see images of them hanging from gallows, with carrion birds feasting,..its a struggle no question!
“Ye that love the Lord, hate evil . . ..” Psalms 97:10.
Laugh at them.
Enjoy this video. Devin Nunes reposted it on his Truth Social acct last month. It’s a Hitler freaking out scene with subtitles changed and aimed towards him freaking out about MAGA!…
https://truthsocial.com/@DevinNunes/111717121477200617
That clip has so many uses, most of them to poke fun at the Loony Left and their Ludicrous Lawfare Litigation. Lovin’ it!
I wish I knew how to advise you but sadly, I’m in the same boat. Some days, I can feel literal heat rush through my body from rage.
On one hand, I believe my rage is justified. On the other hand, I see how it changes me (at my core) and can carry over into my relationships with family and others. I have to constantly remind myself ‘those who seek to destroy me, my family and my country’ would gleefully consider the deterioration of my soul a win.
The only thing I know to do is pray….and then pray some more.
I will pray for you too.
I am in the same place.
I would like to add – I have been unable to get a full night of rest in over two years. I walk the floors, stare at ceiling or read. I am tired all of the time. Most of my friends say the same.
I pray for PDJT, his family, our country and all of us patriots. I have not been able to pray for our enemies because…..hate.
A lot of what is presented on websites and social media is designed to produce an emotional response. It is how they drive engagement and make money (including this one). I’ve been trying to cut back on my own consumption, but find it difficult not to keep “doom scrolling.” It is hard, because I do find political and economic news interesting, although I often find myself getting really angry at the usual suspects.
One realization that I’ve had is that nothing I have read over the last several years has really changed my mind about any issues, which then begs the question of why do I even bother continue reading about this stuff. I have enough data to guide my voting decisions for the next decade. What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes 1:9
I also keep in mind Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
I have to be mindful of what I let into my brain and not dwell on the bad people and things. I’m not saying to hide your head in the sand, but certainly try and limit your exposure to things designed to put the bad stuff front and center in your mind. Then maybe we can all try and find some peace and forgiveness for these lunatics!
Oh, and of course, we can pray! Prayer is powerful stuff. I’ve been praying for changes in my immediate circles and have seen God at work, which is encouraging. And we all can pray for our country and these larger issues that cause us concern. Remember, we’ve already won.
The info is not just about elections. Apply it to daily affairs. Understand what is arrayed against you and how, then make decisions.
Just an opinion. I think God does not want his children to have hate in their hearts while they do what must be done to take down these traitors. Business as usual.
Pray for your enemies. Trust in Jesus and He will protect you from the adversary’s push for hate. Since I’ve surrendered myself to Jesus this stuff doesn’t bother me like it used to. I’m letting Jesus handle it because His Will be done. I can’t control it so why stress about it. Peace to all.
https://catholicexchange.com/the-surrender-novena-let-jesus-take-care-of-everything/
Been on that ride.
You need to separate the evil actions from the person. The person is responsible for choosing those actions, and is not absolved of that choice unless they truly repent.
Of course it becomes much more tangled when we realize how many fools have bought into the lies and have chosen evil actions “to do good”. Those are difficult people to consider. They are the ones who truly need us to remember that their actions need not be their all. Still, they will need to own up and stop doing evil before they can be accepted back into our family/fold, and probably should never be trusted. Calling out their actions, that the evil they do is not justifiable by the alleged good they will accomplish, is my focus.
“Be angry, and yet do not sin”. Another version is “In your anger do not sin”. Ephesians 4:26.
That’s my simple and complete advice. This verse takes it for granted that anger itself is NOT a sin. Anger can even be godly, as Jesus and God Himself demonstrated.
The rest of the verse is “do not let the sun go down on your anger”, which is also great advice for physical and mental health. As others have advised, pray.
And don’t ever let hatred grow dominant. Don’t let it linger at all.
The complete thought includes; Ephesians 4 v 26 &27
Be angry, and do not sin”: do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27nor give [g]place to the devil.
Anger is an open door, I have struggled with it my entire life.
Another favorite; Proverbs 25 v 22
21If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat;
And if he is thirsty, give him water to drink;
22For so you will heap coals of fire on his head,
And the Lord will reward you.
Think of this Jim Breuer skit when dealing with anyone with Trump Derangement Syndrome…
A Long Island guy who also has a Metal band. His Pesci show was excellent on SNL.
snafu’s post reminded me of something:
Back in the late 90s (last years of the Clinton presidency) I literally wore myself to a frazzle listening to daytime talk radio, just during my lunch hour. I finally realized that I just needed to GET AWAY FROM IT ALL for a while. Not easy at all to do, but it worked.
You can love your enemy as a human with an eternal soul while hating their actions.
Jesus wasn’t too loving when he drove the money changers out of the Temple with whips!
Heard this the other day, and it bears repeating. Not sure who to credit it to, but “Retribution is like a poison you pour for someone, and end up drinking yourself.”
May or may not help with the frustration we all seem to feel, but I know a few who found comfort in the words.
keep that righteous rage in check until the time is right – and then release it all in the right places.
drD right there with you
You are not hating the person per say, it is his or her actions that you hate.
That is true, but the English language does not contain the words that could express the depths of my hatred for those traitors.
Dr D, you should >talk to your Pastor about Justice and Forgiveness. … A person doesn’t want to overwhelm their heart with hatred for other people. God obligates forgiveness from us. … God also obligates for everyone that, >Justice be applied judiciously in our society.
It’s easy to give advice, but difficult to council people in person. Pastors earn their salaries answering the difficult questions; especially, ‘Why does a Good God, allow good people to suffer?’
+Prayer works wonders. = “Have no anxiety at all, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God. Then the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.” [The Goodbook]
********
********
With a note about the ‘dr D’ as the ‘dr’ might mean you are a doctor, and many doctors are Jewish. … Both Jesus Christ [The Man] and the Apostle Paul are both Jewish. [Paul wrote Philippians] … >Good prayers will work wonders for everyone.
Trump sets the example: Focus on success.
Trust God. Fear not.
God’s word also tells us to hate evil.
While We cannot judge another’s heart, We can and most certainly will judge their deeds.(By their fruits you shall know them)
Nothing wrong with ‘cold anger’, yet We can and should do all in our power to prevent ‘kinetic’ retribution.
Trust God. Fear not.
I
hate them.love them and hope the fires of hell are everything we’ve been told.If SCOTUS does not end this crap any foreign enemy can fund an endless stream of litigation to disrupt the Republic. Same with thinly disguised lawfare outside the timeline but targeting political candidates. What has SCOTUS had on it’s plate that is more important than this and why has it taken so long to address? If SCOTUS fails the reason to exercise patience is diminished.
Why so long to address this? Remember that Mary McCord’s husband works for Chief Justice John Roberts.
Also remember the SCOTUS does NOT initiate cases; somebody first must BRING a case TO SCOTUS, and unless it is in one of the few categories for fast tracking, it must go up through the Courts to GET to SCOTUS.
For instance, there are a boatload of situations in which the Federal Government has expropriated powers and authorities it has no Constitutional authority for, in direct violation of the 10A.
However, NO ONE, and NO STATE has taken them to Court, to challenge the Federal overreach.
Essentially, so long as the States don’t object, the SCOTUS has no mechanism to intervene.
In the same way there was no “Miranda warning” requirement or recognition, UNTIL a casewas brought to SCOTUS, affirming the requirement.
Roberts is the boss of the fisa court.
But he cedes that to Boasberg, who couldn’t be a worse human being.
Totally agree. If scotus doesn’t act on this injustice which is practically in their faces, then they are completely worthless in my opinion
A response to this judge would be, “You’re right, there’s no good reason for the Supreme Court to have to take this case. The first trial judge to hear it should have dismissed the case immediately based on constitutional principles that any decent first year law student would understand. That we’re where we are today shows just how far as a constitutional republic we have fallen.”
Thank you, Sundance!
From the quoted material:
Smith has charged Trump with four felonies stemming from his bid to subvert the 2020 presidential election.
“stemming from his bid to subvert the 2020 presidential election”
By the grace of dear God Almighty, I pray that a mighty wind of truth will wash across this nation . . . there is such an intransigent need to pose everything everywhere you see “news” reported where it is not “news” but actually propaganda, a drumbeat of propaganda about 2020 . . . that it was all legitimate, the winning of it by Biden and so the more that there is this effort to drum this thought INTO people, I pray that people everywhere will see it for what it is and refuse to write those words at the behest of the Lawfare “Politburo” or whatever you would call it!
Kind of like when Blago “was going to sell ….”?
This nation would not know ‘truth’, if it slapped them in the face.
The more I think about this being the election of our lives…it really is…the demons from hell will be loosed upon this great nation if we don’t prevail.
WE will never prevail, only the mighty righteous arm of God will prevail. amen?
Amen!!
Amen.
The Supremes JustUs better be careful. In law everything is “stare decisis” and they will create a precedent for past, current and future presidents.
All they have to do is follow the Constitution, Article 1 section 3, the last two paragraphs. See my post on previous page for actual wording. Should be 9-0 in favor of President Trump (and all Presidents).
If I read the passage correctly, there technically is no immunity. Any president is subject to impeachment and removal and subsequent indictment.
If Trumps lawyers are arguing immunity it may be a poor choice of word strategy. The Supremes might kick it back to lower courts highlighting no immunity exists but stressing he must be impeached and removed for the case to go forward. They would then lecture the lower courts to read the constitution and the media will shout that Trump lost his case and is not immune, while ignoring the impeachment portion.
It does come down to how it is presented to the court.
While the Constitution doesn’t use the word immunity and the Article does say he can be held accountable after a Senate conviction, the immunity from criminal prosecution is implied as he can’t be directly prosecuted by a criminal court without a Senate impeachment trial and conviction occurring first.
The Constitution is clear on how to handle a President accused of high crimes and misdemeanors. The Senate is given sole power by way of an impeachment trial.
By adding this to the Constitution, the Framers made it clear the President is to be treated differently than other citizens when accused of a crime. He is to be tried by the Senate first. If convicted by the Senate the he then gets treated like everyone else and is subject to indictment etc. In that sense yes, he is not immune from prosecution but he is immune from direct prosecution because it must go through the Senate first.
The key phrases in that section are the “Senate has Sole Power to impeach” … and … “but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgement and punishment according to Law.”
Why put this in the Article at all if the intent wasn’t to keep the President insulated or immune from constant lawsuits?
But yes, immunity might be a poor choice of words but that might be for the press and not the court.
True, they’ll be opening a pandora’s box. Should the SC agree that a president has no immunity, we can all go after Obama for Benghazi, for Fast and Furious; Clinton for selling advanced missile technology to the Chinese, the list doesn’t end……… It certainly won’t end with Trump.
Chief Justice Roberts….
adoption….
leverage….????
Aren’t those adopted “kids” in their late 30’s by now?
Late 20’s, I think. Probably through college and on their own.
It’s not their fault what the Roberts did to have a family, and going after someone’s kids is a Dem kind of thing to do.
At least in their late 20’s. I remember they were born in Ireland but adopted through a Latin American country? Or do I have that wrong
Late teens early 20’s last year….
https://heavy.com/news/john-roberts-children/
The lower court’s view that a president isn’t entitled to any immunity seems inconsistent with the fact that members of Congress enjoy a measure of immunity expressly stated in the Constitution. A prosecutor who works in any state or for the USAG can indict a past president for actions taken within their authority? For their speech as in questioning election results? For declassifying documents pursuant to express presidential authorities? Either this appeal will be decided very quickly, the decision below simply vacated as a political question or SCOTUS will delay it past the election.
Or, they “pull the ripcord”.
Using the Meese filing, they rule that since Smith was improperly appointed TO the position of Special Council, any and all actions he has taken in that capacity lack legitimacy, hence SCOTUS has no need to rule on the merits, at all.
This way they shut down the operation that (much like Mueller around the time Cohen was testifying to Congress) has outlived its usefulness (to them) while avoiding the whole hornets nest of sticky wicket issues, and so leaving the issues IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION, open to continue to tar PDJT with the brush of “leading an Insurrection” and “mishandling classified documents” and because those questions were not actually adjudicated BY SCOTUS, they can continue to be used.
Retired Magistrate here: Yes, I agree that the Supreme Court may just pull the ripcord and take the easy way out for them.
When evidence is illegally obtained and used in an attempt to convict a Defendant, a good Defense counsel will argue that the evidence is tainted because it was obtained illegally and therefore “fruit of the poisonous tree” and not admissible.
The same principle is applicable since Jack Smith was improperly appointed as Special Counsel. All Smith’s actions would be comparable to the “fruit of the poisonous tree” and Smith’s cases against President Trump would collapse.
I don’t think the current Supreme Court has the intestinal fortitude to actually rule on the real issues and will take the path of least resistance.
Pardon off topic, but I would like for people to see this ASAP. If it is too tacky then please remove. I did put it on open thread, but I don’t know how many go back and read old threads. People need time to plan!😀
Trump will be in Richmond, VA this Saturday to do a rally!
https://event.donaldjtrump.com/events/president-donald-j-trump-to-hold-a-get-out-the-vote-rally-in-richmond-virginia?_gl=1*1hehe08*_gcl_au*MTU1MTg5OTUzNS4xNzA5MDgzMzYz&_ga=2.141852406.515334311.1709083363-115215283.1709083363
“Indeed, from the raw politics of the Summer of Trump, it seems clear that Middle America has come to believe it has been had, and that the state that rules the nation is hostile to the country they love, and needs to be resisted and defied.”
Kim Davis vs. Judicial Tyranny
https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/kim-davis-vs-judicial-tyranny/
This case will show us exactly how corrupt the SC is unfortunately. I don’t believe for one minute they are going to do the right and just thing. I have zero faith in them and they determine how justice works further down the chain. I have watched our local courts be completely destroyed by a corrupt judiciary. Went to court recently over a rental dispute with one of my rentals. The house was in total disarray. I had video proof of what it looked like before and after. I lost. A young lawyer met up with me in the parking lot and told me here’s my card. You will never win in this judge’s courtroom because he wants everyone to hire an attorney. Hired this kid on the spot and now I win every time I go in. That’s where our country is now
If these corrupt cowards do what I suspect they are going to do, our country is already lost And we need to be thinking out of the box for new solutions to this corruption.
The US Supreme Court should do the right and proper thing and turn this decision, as well as all future decisions, over to an entity which has proven itself to be far more intelligent and far more unbiased than themselves.
It is the next best thing to turning it over to God Himself.
May I proudly suggest Google’s Gemini AI.
Even worse: the WHO.
Careful, too many skim read and the subtlety of your comment will go right over their head.
I get it,…clever.
Meh, it was funny.
Sarcasm?
Pardon: Ghoul-gle’s Gemini AI.
Gemini AI with the Black George Washington. Love that.
We’re discussing how the Supreme Court will decide a case that would in normal times be a simple question on a first year law student’s final exam. Can you believe it?
Sure, given the obvious evidence that prosecutors and Judges are ‘serving’ that couldn’t get a passing grade, and SCOTUS Judges can’t define a Woman,..sure I believe it.
These people do not give a s_it. Happened to have time to listen to the hearing for Lloyd Austin. Almost knew the exact questions and responses from these animals. The few reps that asked decent questions didn’t matter. Austin could easily deflect. Pure “Kabuke Theater.
Dirty Mitch had Bidens people in charge on day one. Compare with Trump appointees who got hearings years later and sometimes never. Meanwhile Mitch kept the senate in session to block Trump from making recess apointments. Dirty Dirty Mitch.
The answer to the only question they are allowed to ask is ‘Full’
“they are beginning to open the door to multiple Lawfare efforts against the chief executive by agencies of the administrative state.”
Couldn’t this work to our advantage as well? When Trump gets in office he can start prosecuting Biden for his misdeeds.
Long term, no. It would mean the end of the Republic. The office of President would be greatly weakened. Presidents by the very nature of the job have to make difficult decisions. If they worried about being criminally charged the country would suffer.
For example, sending soldiers to fight in a war. Is he criminally responsible if a soldier dies in war? If he is maimed? If a civilian is killed?
In our goofy justice system the President could be held criminally responsible for a soldiers death. And if not criminally responsible, he could still be sued in civil court for damages. It would get out of hand and be used as a weapon by the opposing party. Which is exactly what is going on now, they’ve weaponized the system against President Trump.
The Constitution is very specific on how a President is to be treated for high crimes and misdemeanors committed while in office. The Senate has sole power to convict. Once convicted, only then can he be held criminally liable , Article 1 section 3.
With that reasoning, having 10,000’s of American soldiers fight and die in a war(s) could result in genocide charges.
Yup.
No. We don’t care about him.
Obviously, if a president snuck out at night to hang out with some druggies and ended up in disagreement where the president killed someone, I generally think they could be prosecuted.
But, what would we do if the president said that they were involved in an operation where the president had to be somewhere in person with undesirables, for national security, the plot goes bad and the president shoots someone trying to take him out?
I believe that our deep state would be able to concoct any story this way if they really wanted to protect a president. So, in the interest of transparency, it might be best to give presidents immunity unless congress impeaches and removes him from office. I think it’s called prima facie immunity.
STREAMING LIVE NOW:
Bradley Texts are JUICY! SCOTUS to Hear Immunity! NY Appeal Judge Rules on Trump! Viva Frei
By Vivafrei
29 Feb 2024
https://rumble.com/v4gettl-bradley-texts-are-juicy-scotus-to-hear-immunity-ny-appeal-judge-rules-on-tr.html
Not a big fan of Andrea Widburg, but she has two articles worth perusing, on todays AmericanThinker, regarding recent Court rulings.
“Federal Court: the House UnConstitutionally passed $1.2 Trillion Omnibus spending bill.”
Ken Paxton filed a brief, focusing on ONE provision of this bill, and saying Texas didn’t have to follow that provision, because there was NOT a Quorum of members present in the House, when the bill was passed.
This because Nanzi changed the rules, ala Covid, to “allow” members to cast “proxie” votes, despite the Constitutional requirement that members be physically present.
The Court agreed, its being appealed, and as Widburg points out, should this ruling be upheld, the entire Omnibus bill, and any OTHER bills passed in the House or Senate, using “proxie” votes, are well,…legally moot.
“A California Federal Court bars Feds from prosecuting white supremacists while ignoring Antifa.” is an article exploring a ruling directly confronting two tiered Justice, and if it stands, paving the way for swinging the pendulum back.
It calls out the Feds for prosecuting proud boys type groups, while ignoring antifa, but the ramifactions are obvious, such as Biden vs Trump handling of classified docs, etc.
And JB. Shurk headlines today with the top position, “The benefits of hardship” once again hitting it out of the park.
Good stuff, heartily reccomend.
Will Pelosi respond to Widburg’s ‘Moot” point on Nasty’s illegal Omnibus bill with Harry Greed’s quote about his Senate floor lying about Moot Mitt’s taxes: “It Worked, Didn’t It!”?
Is that dude to far right the guy from SNL???? What a joke!
The radical left can only win with rigged elections, state run media, corrupt federal law enforcement, corrupt Marxist judges and prosecutors, & illegals voting. Sounds like North Korea, doesn’t it?
And they act like the Bolsheviks from the 1917 Russian Revolution.
Huge Pandora’s box. Would open the door to Obama’s potential murder trial of Anwar Al-Awlaki and family.
Roberts and the Wine & Dine chick.
Thanks, McConnell.
IL just booted him from the ballot…
Nah. That buffoon stayed her own ruling as soon as she issued it.
That’s how they roll in fashion class.
Lawfare includes launching cases that are surefire losers. Lawfare doesn’t care if it wins those battles. It’s all about winning the war. Hence the portmanteau of Law Warfare.
The only thing that can stop Lawfare is reversing it. Unless you charge Lawfare (and everyone else associated with the Stop Trump movement) with actual criminal acts, it will not stop.
Charge them all with conspiracy to obstruct justice beginning in 2015 or so and continuing through today. Charge 500-1000 conspirators.
Make the Marxist Dims take a big dose of their own medicine now.
In ’72/’73 the Dim ruled House of Reps planned to Impeach Potus Nixon on the grounds that the Watergate Break-in amounted to “Interference with a National Potus Election.
Trump 47’s DOJ can do the same against the Lawfare Conspirators you mention for obstruction of justice and election interfering, etc., including Fed Prosecutors, Judges, State AGs, DNC bosses/lawyers, Rinos, Journos, etc.
The evidence of their crimes is more than overwhelming now,… and well documented. Hang them with their own rope, eh?
Obama Muzzled Biden for 8 years his famous quote…Make no mistake dont under estimate how Biden can really f***k things up… I cant wait for the State of The Union address*** I need some good laughs 9PM unedited its live should be fun its way past Joe’s bed time sundowners will kick in and he will be howling @ the moon…Higher then Cooter Brown on drugs…Dark Brandon.. Trump 2024 we keep wining MAGA….
Let’s hope when Trump gets back in office that he turns his DOJ loose on these AGs, judges, prosecutors, governors and anyone else connected with these election interference crimes. He can not give them a pass on this!!
9-0 or it’s a fake court. Those commies need to show this will end here.
by acknowledging Jack Smith has standing to petiton Supreme Court this is definitely a loss vs all the previous denials of standing.
From Bing’s Copilot:
The leftist Lawfare cheerleaders are a group of lawyers, journalists, activists, and academics who support the use of law as a weapon against their political opponents, especially former President Donald Trump. They have been advocating for the prosecution of Trump for various alleged crimes, such as election interference, obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and tax fraud. They have also been criticizing the Supreme Court for taking up Trump’s appeal and delaying his trial
The Supreme Court decision on Trump’s immunity claim was a major setback for the leftist Lawfare cheerleaders, who were hoping for a quick and decisive rejection of Trump’s argument. The decision means that the Supreme Court will hear the case in April and decide whether Trump is immune from prosecution for official acts while in office. The decision also means that the trial on the election subversion charges will be postponed until after the Supreme Court ruling, which could take months or even years
The leftist Lawfare cheerleaders are not happy with the Supreme Court decision, as they see it as a sign of the court’s conservative bias and a threat to the rule of law. They argue that Trump should not be allowed to escape accountability for his actions, and that the Supreme Court should not interfere with the lower courts’ rulings. They also fear that the Supreme Court may rule in favor of Trump and grant him a broad immunity that would undermine the separation of powers and the checks and balances in the constitutional system.
Well, we can criminally charge both Xiden & Obumbler under the same premise that they’re using against Trump so…
They should be happy when it’s thrown out.
Lawfare may be upset with the SC taking up his argument simply from a talking point reference, much like the NY $350M decision. Using the lower court victories to hammer Trump through the election with no care about how it affects future business in New York or future presidents in this case. They don’t care. They are really like little children, whatever the issue.
And like some rationale or mature children, some on the Left and Rino’s may only care that it’s going to the SC to overturn or cancel, too soon. Bankrupt or wear Trump down. Then proceed to SC.
This country no longer has true judges on the bench who follow the law and the Constitution like we once did.
Now what the bench is filled with are globalists and Shysters who have made a pledge to the BAR and are following orders.
British
Accreditation
Registry
The Supreme Court’s make up is proof of how corrupt the entire judicial system is and who they are protecting.
It is a miracle that Kyle Rittenhouse got a fair trial. The last fair decision of a case that I can remember.
Live by DEI and die.
If Illinois prevails in keeping Trump off of the ballot, our republic is finishedBy Gerald McGlothlin
Cook County has been labeled “Crook County” for good reasons. Chicago Circuit Judge Tracie Porter decided that former President Donald Trump should be disqualified from appearing on the Republican presidential primary ballot in Illinois. This decision was based on allegations tied to his involvement in the events of January 6, 2021, at the U.S. Capitol. The judge’s ruling, invoking the insurrection clause of the U.S. Constitution’s 14th Amendment, has sparked a significant debate over the balance of free speech, political activism, and the boundaries of legal disqualification from public office.
Insurrection? Give me a break. Trump was not part of the demonstration and even if he were, it’s free speech and not an “insurrection.”
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/02/if_illinois_prevails_in_keeping_trump_off_of_the_ballot_our_republic_is_finished.html
This reads like a set-up, but, who knows.
My sense is that the president is only liable for treason, bribery, high crimes and high misdemeanors while in office. If those exist in actuality and are not discovered while in office, then they would be crimes after leaving office. If tried by the senate while in office, and found innocent, then any retrying of the same charges would be double jeopardy. If found guilty by the senate, then the constitution specifically says they can be retried by the legal system after the presidency is ended. So, the issue is whether a president is committing a high crime or high misdemeanor by inquiring about the accurate count of votes or electors during an election. Since such a thing is not a crime for the average citizen… we’re permitted to do that. And since news organization do the same thing all the time, then there is no way that such questioning is a HIGH crime or a HIGH misdemeanor. It certainly isn’t treason or bribery.
So, they must find presidents immune from anything except treason, bribery, high crimes, or high misdemeanors.
Andy Weissman has heap big sadz. His cases are going down the drain. See link following:
WATCH: Liberal Legal Expert Admits Jack Smith’s DC Case Is Now ‘On Life Support’ (trendingpoliticsnews.com)
PRESIDENT Trump has been the mechanism for what Obama’s original agenda was: diluting and ultimately perverting The Constitution so bad that it becomes useless.
His curious ascension to the highest office in the land was the commencement. We have now had a foreigner sitting in the Oval. He was not born here, therefore illegitimate. But those pesky details matter not to the psychopaths that cavort around this pale blue dot ruining everything they look at.
President Donald J Trump is just the one who got in the way.
Those poor bastards should have thought better…
justicia ex umbra….
I believe that U.S. citizen Stanley Ann Dunham gave birth to a son in Hawaii on or about August 4, 1961. The biological father was U.S. citizen Frank Marshall Davis, member of the Communist Party USA, communist, pornographer, journalist, writer.
Stanley Ann’s father, who worked for the CIA, arranged for an African student at the University of Hawaii to marry Stanley Ann prior to the birth. That student was Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama.
So, I think that Frank Marshall Davis, Jr., also known as Barack Hussein Obama, II, and Barry Soetoro, is indeed a natural-born citizen.
Sources: The book “Deconstructing Obama”, by Jack Cashill, Threshold Editions 2011
The film “Dreams From My Real Father”, by Joel Gilbert, 2012.
There is no doubt there is immunity. The only question is what kind: absolute or qualified? And the problem with qualified is what is the limiting principle that will permit a judge and jury to second guess a president’s decisions and actions to impose criminal or even civil liability?
Applying qualified immunity to a police officer accused of excessive force requires proof that no reasonable police officer, not one, when faced with the circumstances, would have applied the amount of force in question. A reasonable police officer standard is possible because there is a class of individuals from whose collective experience the judge and jury can draw to apply the standard.
How about a reasonable president standard? Who can testify to that standard? And can they testify that no reasonable president, not one, would have made the same decision, or acted in the same manner, under the circumstances?
This is why the founders created impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors, which presupposes previously established crimes, but left what is in the first instance a political institution to Congress as the representatives of the People. A president is absolutely immune from prosecution for high crimes and misdemeanors unless Congress impeaches him and removes him from office. In effect, only Congress, and not a court, can determine that a president’s decisions and actions were beyond his constitutional prerogatives. Any other conclusion will invite the form of lawfare that is making it impossible to govern. If Congress removes his immunity through impeachment and conviction, only then may a judge and jury convict him. Presidential immunity is left to Congress, not the courts.
CULTURAL COLLAPSE
American Paralysis and Decline
Societies do not always collapse from a lack of wealth, invasion, or natural catastrophes. But they are so paralyzed by their fear that the road to salvation becomes too painful to even contemplate.
By Victor Davis Hanson
“We can bear neither our diseases nor their remedies.”
So shrugged the ancient historian Livy (59 B.C.- A.D. 17) of the long decline of Roman national character that, in his age, finally ended the Roman Republic.
Like a patient whose medicine proves worse than the disease, Livy lamented that the Romans knew that they had become corrupt and lawless.
But the very contemplation of the hard medicine needed for restoration—and the furious reaction that would meet the remedy—made it impossible to save the patient.
America is nearing such an impasse.
We know that no state can long exist after opening its borders to over 7 million illegal aliens, requiring neither background checks nor legality.
The recent murder of a Georgia female jogger by an illegal alien and the savage beating of New York policemen by similar others hardly merit media attention.
Everyone knows that neither new appropriations nor new laws are needed to secure the border as it was in 2020.
Most accept that had Donald Trump just not run for president in 2024 or was a man of the left, he would not now be facing four different felony court cases.
Most know it is wrong to try to remove a leading presidential candidate from state ballots.
Yet many shrug that this new weaponization of America’s legal system is the flamboyant Trump’s own problem, not their own. So they ignore the third worldization of our political system, which they quietly acknowledge is otherwise leading us to a Venezuela-like mess.
Societies do not always collapse from a lack of wealth, invasion, or natural catastrophes.
Most often, they know what is destroying them. But they are so paralyzed by their fear that the road to salvation becomes too painful to even contemplate.
So they implode gradually, then suddenly.
https://amgreatness.com/2024/02/29/american-paralysis-and-decline/
Good thing the left never runs out of hate. Now they can focus on the Supreme Circus.
The question will be:
Was President Trump acting as candidate Trump or as President Trump?
Donald Trump’s tenure as the 45th president of the United States began with his inauguration on January 20, 2017, and ended on January 20, 2021.
Most of their charges have to do with January 6,2017, and earlier.
They should also hear about the $455 million penalty in New York! That’s also unconstitutional!
Why are those charging Trump with these charges so upset? If they believe their charges are good, they should welcome a SC ruling as the case would probably wind up there eventually anyway. But of course, we all know why they are upset!
I’m hoping SCOTUS really thinks this through and just says: “Immune. No qualifications.” I hope they recognize they simply cannot imagine all the decisions a President has to make.
Knowing John Roberts, he’ll attempt to craft an opinion which allows Trump – and only Trump – to be stripped of protection for his acts while in government. Everyone else in government, including Roberts himself, will continue to get immunity.
President Trump was “out of office” for TWO YEARS before this case was brought, and the dipshits have said NOTHING about it.
I truly hope these dipshits keep getting their panties in a knot over and over again.
Good heavens, depending on the US Supreme Court to protect us, anyone, from the clutches and perversions of the Deep State is getting less realistic by the week.
One look at the recent events of ignoring Second Amendment rights appeals, among others, is dismaying.
They seem to be afraid of their own shadows anymore.
Another thought about this SCOTUS taking it on……..and hopefully, 9-0. It sets precedent for all future Presidents…..which hopefully will be Trump January 2025.
Now, don’t get me wrong here. I know he didn’t do anything wrong/illegal/unconstitutional, but maybe such a recent precedent will somewhat tie lawfares hands maybe a little bit. New courts usually don’t like revisiting settled case once it’s in the books. No, I don’t put anything past the commies if/when the court changes, Thomas, Alito…..I sure miss Scalia.
I know he didn’t do anything wrong and WON’T do anything illegal when POTUS again.