Many people are heralding this speech given by Javier Milei as a confrontation to the mindset of the World Economic Forum (WEF) meeting in Davos.
Because so many people made a similar assertion, I had to listen to it twice, because I just didn’t get that takeaway. I still don’t. The first 10 minutes is an academic review of the history of free-market capitalism; the latter 10 minutes decries the failures of those economic systems who attempted socialism, including his own homeland of Argentina.
While the last half of the speech is strong, factually good pushback against the academic socialistic mindset, he never really addressed the issue that is at the core of modern, Western, economic corruption – the merge of the corporation and the state.
Capitalism vs Socialism was a debate well covered during the Soviet era and subsequent collapse of the Berlin wall. The 2020’s challenge is entirely different, fascism.
Traditional Fascism was defined as an authoritarian government working hand-in-glove with corporations to achieve totalitarian objectives. Essentially, a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, using severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
That governmental system didn’t work in the long-term because free people rejected government authoritarianism; so, we went to war and killed the fascist support system. Fascist governments collapsed, and the corporate beneficiaries were nulled and scorned. Then along came a new approach to achieve the same objective.
The World Economic Forum (WEF) was created to use the same fundamental associations of government and corporations. Only this time the corporations organized to tell the governments what to do. The WEF was organized for multinational corporations to assemble and tell the various governments how to cooperate to achieve control.
Fascism is still the underlying premise, the WEF just flipped the internal dynamic.
The assembly of the massive multinational corporations, banks and finance offices now summon the government leaders to come to their assembly and receive their instructions. Some have called this corporatism. However, the relationship between government and multinationals is just fascism essentially reversed with the government doing what the corporations tell them to do.
President Javier Milei is participating in the corporate control system; after all, he’s a politician attending a conference organized by corporations. Extolling the virtues of massive multinational monopolistic corporations, while pretending some form of “free market” system still exists, just seems esoteric (borderline obtuse) to me.
Yes, socialism sucks and always fails. However, in the modern era it is corporate/government fascism that leads to naive support for socialism in a misguided effort to break that public/private partnership.
Milei also held meetings with British foreign minister David Cameron and was “set for a head-to-head with International Monetary Fund (IMF) chief Kristalina Georgieva, after Argentina struck a staff level agreement last week to salvage its $44 billion loan program with the fund.”
WATCH FOR YOURSELF – “Argentina’s libertarian President Javier Milei praised free markets and slammed socialism at Davos on Wednesday (January 17) during the first overseas tour for the self-proclaimed ‘anarcho-capitalist,’ who is battling to fix a major economic crisis at home. During his speech, Milei focused on the role of the state across a wide range of activities, which he said amounted to levers of control rather than allowing citizens the freedom to prosper through their own efforts.”
If you are short on time, start at the 10:00 minute mark.
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I’ll watch it again in the morning, and see if I can find this incredible economic bravery that everyone is talking about. Maybe I just missed it because the translation is a little challenging to keep in flow.
“he never really addressed the issue that is at the core of modern, Western, economic corruption – the merge of the corporation and the state.”
Thank you Sundance. That captures this guy and so many other would-be suitors of freemen. This is global neo-fascism. Any politician (s)elected to a position of power in the west who’s not calling it out, is complicit.
There are no shades of gray. Liberty or enslavement.
I have always wondered about the difference between Neo-Fascism and just Fascism. So of course, I decided to go to the ultra Left Wing Wikipedia 🤪
“Neo-fascism is a post–World War II far-right ideology that includes significant elements of fascism. Neo-fascism usually includes ultranationalism, racial supremacy, populism, authoritarianism, nativism, xenophobia, and anti-immigrationsentiment, as well as opposition to liberal democracy, social democracy, parliamentarianism, liberalism, Marxism, capitalism,[1]communism, and socialism.[2] As with classical fascism, it proposes a Third Position as an alternative to market capitalism.” ~ Wikipedia
It seems to me Neo-Fascism has gone so far right it is now left. Wikipedia wants to paint this as far right to put it in that Ultra Extreme MAGA box, it doesn’t work of course, but I suppose they get a few points correct.
What we are seeing with the WEF is not Neo Fascism it is just straight up Fascism. Government in bed with corporations because that is where the money is. The corrupt governments are happy to do as the multi-national corporations say just as long as they get a piece of that corporate cash.
“Milei also held meetings with British foreign minister David Cameron and was “set for a head-to-head with International Monetary Fund (IMF) chief Kristalina Georgieva, after Argentina struck a staff level agreement last week to salvage its $44 billion loan program with the fund”
Yes, the wikipedia distorts these terms. I started looking at source documents. Here is a quote from Benito himself.
“For us Fascists, the State is not merely a guardian, peroccupied solely with the duty of assuring the personal
safety of the citizens; nor is it an organization with purely material aims, such as to guarantee a certain level
of well-being and peaceful conditions of life….
The State, as conceived of and as created by Fascism, is a spiritual and moral fact in itself, since its political,
juridical and economic organization of the nation is a concrete thing; and such an organization must be in its origins
and development a manifestation of the spirit. The State is the guarantor of security both internal and external, but
it is also the custodian and transmitter of the spirit of the people, as it has grown up throught the centuries in language,
in customs and in faith. …
It is the State which educates its citizens in civic virtue, gives them a consciousness of the their mission and welds them
into unity; harmonizing their various interests through justice, and transmiting to future generations the mental conquests
of science, of art, of law and the solidarity of humanity.”
Sounds like most of the leaders of our governments today.
News paper editor/college professor/Dictator Mussolini also said that Fascism is corporatism.
When launched, it was first termed “Innovative State Capitalism” in a CFR white paper later pushed out by Bloomberg press.
I call it neo-fascism because it co-opts politicians, drives global central government via central control of global capital, using the likes of Blackrock to create massive state-protected monopiles.
This was Bloombergs cover photo
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Say what you will about Catholicism–and it’s certainly a mess lately–but I was taught, consistently throughout 20 + years of Catholic education, that nothing was more important than the life of one individual human being, and that nothing trumped that individual’s free will, except, of course, rendering unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar, and to God that which belongs to God.
Not rocket surgery.
To me, everything else is raw lust for power, control, money, etc., poorly disguised by sophistry as altruism or scientific, technical, or philosophical genius.
Always MAGA 🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️👊👊
The corruption is the capture of business by the unions. You cannot run a business when the primary mandated opponent is anti-business while arguing that the business is greedy; but not the unions themselves.
“Social Justice is not just.”
It is hard to follow.
Agree this doesn’t sound very revolutionarily insightful, he needs more Sundance in his reading diet.
Unfortunately, I cannot give you a link to support this, but a couple months back I read a speech of his somewhere, can’t remember where, but it struck me that this guy really gets it. For what it’s worth, this is what I copied and pasted at the time from the quote of his speech that I read:
“A society that obsesses with equality sooner or later becomes a society of looters and falls apart. That is the story of Argentina. Therefore, the point is that social justice is unjust. There is nothing more unjust than social justice. Because what is the greatest achievement of liberalism?
Liberalism’s greatest achievement is “equality before the law.” This is to say, the law is the same for everyone. When you adhere to the idea of social justice, which means the redistribution of income, what you are really doing is using the repressive state apparatus so you can take from the successful to distribute it capriciously according to the wishes of whomever is in power.”
Don’t know if it qualifies as revolutionarily insightful, but it’s definitely MAGA.
Someone reads Thomas Sowell and Hayek
Love Thomas Sowell.
A mind for all seasons.
Viva La Libertad, carajo !
Social justice is neither social nor just.
Yes, exacly what J.M. meant by that.
President Milei went into the globalist elite’s den of vipers and told them what they didn’t want to hear.
Did he?
Where?
More importantly, where did YOU get the idea that he did?
Thank you for brining these important points up. Here is one I noticed.
Milei railed against his own central bank and fiat currency. Avowed to destroy it. And in its place… He’d tie his country to the US central bank and fiat currency. 🤡
💥 Exactly
Exactly how does that help Argentina?
They are still going to float USD denominated bonds and then default in a few years time. The global financial community sucked up those 100 year bonds a number of years ago. Everyone knows the game that is played.
Nothing has changed.
That’s what cattle dog is saying.
Same ole same ole.
Well, at present it’s the best fiat horse in the glue factory. Jim Rickards has argued that the BRICS may never develop a gold backed currency, but stop at a means of settling economic transactions between nations. That settlement mechanism would then be pegged to the USD value of gold. His explanation is like some Russian economic ju jitsu against us.
Touché.
Milei just just kept up his façade. This is how its done! In their faces!
The only thing he said of note is pretty much that socialism fails.
The rest of it sounded like word salad. Professional political, newspeak….
He took the IMF money……. Enough said…..
If you are a leader in the West, aside from PDJT and Orban, you are nothing more than a puppet.
….and VVP….
Our Proxy War on Russia is really a Proxy War on America and our only real beef with President Putin is that he won’t wreck his own nation and join the One World Government-Globalists.
The great Dictators of History all wanted to lead rich and powerful countries, even if they did counter-productive things. But Western Dictators today seek the destruction of their own countries (to shoehorn them into a One World Government), a new thing in History to my knowledge.
It’s stunning when you think about; they hate Russia because Pres. Putin will not take the country back into a Soviet-style Globalist Dictatorship.
I’ll listen to it again. Seriously, because I don’t want to be arbitrary against this guy just to be arbitrary; however, I didn’t hear him say a word they don’t already agree with.
He said, monopolies are good. He said massive multinational corporations are good. He encouraged a corporate group that assembles massive wealth inside an elite corporate system, not to share the results of their endeavors. How would anyone in that audience disagree with him?
That audience is not socialist. That audience is an elite group of fascists. They love corporations and the control of capital.
I’ll listen to it again, but I didn’t get the takeaway that everyone seems to be attributing.
Yes, and Donald Trump is the declared mortal enemy of these global corporate administrative bastards. They deny the people freedom on every level. At this point, it is all or nothing. Support Donald Trump who strengthened the Republic, nationalism, and regular people.
OR…
Remain ignorant, believe the propaganda, and assist in your own demise.
I agree. I feel the same way about Vivek. Past actions, past remarks must not be disregarded. It is dangerous to parse what individuals say.
A new found relationship with Zelensky wasn’t a good look either.
Well, there you go.
Both IC controlled puppets.
I’m trying to find where he denounces fascism too but there is this, which is a big FU to the WEF asshats.
https://x.com/jtlonsdale/status/1747672307164995676?s=46
“The main leaders of the Western world have abandoned the model of freedom for different versions of what we call collectivism. We’re here to tell you that collectivist experiments are never the solution to the problems that afflict the citizens of the world — rather they are the root cause,” Milei said, adding “Do believe me, no-one [is] better placed than us Argentines to testify to these two points.”
IMO most of his speech if for Capitalism. He says Capitalism was, is and always will be the way to prosperity. He says that sadly many western nations are wrongly abandoning and attacking. He denounces fascism, marxism, communism etc. also pointing out that the education system, the universities are to blame for teaching that these are good.
Says Socialism in what ever different names it has will always destroy our liberty, prosperity and lead us into poverty as it always has. He said Socialism brings with it inventions such as social justice, equality, the fight between male and female, feminism, the idea of man against ecology, getting overly taxed and regulated by bureaucrats in luxurious offices. Can’t remember all of what I read in speech word for word but the jest of it was mostly that. Capitalism good, Socialism our demise.
Now this guy is doing it correct!!! Klaus gets up and walks away like this coward he is
https://x.com/motabhai012/status/1747663106917167263?s=46
That was photoshopped. It comes from a parody account. Take a closer look.
I like what he said, but it never happened.
As I read this, he’s denouncing government stifling free capitalism. But as the globalists have allowed social justice into their corporate model, it’s allowing that to enjoin government, which is fascism personified. He doesnt use the word and he also doesn’t say globalists are controlling / forcing the tyrrany through alignment of govt. he does make the connections to social justice and how it destroys the capitalist system. Near the end.
https://wethepeopleconvention.org/articles/Milei-Speaks-Truth-to-the-Powereful-at-Davos-2024
Thank you, Sundance, for listening — really listening — to truths out of every “leader’s” mouth. This guy is a set up for all who are so desperate they will accept word salads over actions.
There are so many purposefully set up by our USA-Global wanna-be Rulers, we must keep clear heads and keen minds. Thanks for your purpose and commitment.
My subscription was blocked from my usual direction. I will try a new one. Please carry on and bless and thank you and all your crew.
You heard him right the first time.
Dennis Prager said it best. Whenever you place an adjective in front of a an absolute noun you have changed the meaning.
Social justice is no longer justice. It becomes justice for some and injustice for others.
Justice for socialists seems to be their M.O.
Sundance and others,
We should all be skeptical of politicians, so this is part of what is driving the feeling that Milei is not to be trusted.
The word salad is definitely driven by the translation of the speech to English. It’s also due to the meanings of certain words being used (liberals, collectivism, etc)
The best way to understand his philosophy is to read The Market For Liberty by the Tannehills.
https://store.mises.org/Market-for-Liberty-P302.aspx
Like all humans, Milei is not perfect. Don’t let perfection be the enemy of good. He is a true wolverine. Look at his actions already taken like cutting half the administration.
Bob, your assessment is clouded by a distrust of politicians. I hate politicians. Similar to President Trump, Milei is not a “politician”
I explain more in my reply to Sundance below.
Another way to look at it is that he went into the den of vipers and told us what we wanted to hear, without actually challenging the vipers and the economic system which enriches them.
If that was so, he was sending two messages to two different audiences at the same time. Which would be both clever and duplicitous.
^^^^^^^
🐍 in the grass.
What we really need to be hearing is the speeches and back door meetings in Davos.
First, know your audience(s).
Second, don’t tell everything you know.
Clever OR duplicitious.
Hate the phrase, but time will tell.
It always does.
HELLO!
Sundance asked you a question.
How about answering him.
He can’t
I feel like he made the same mistake Trump made early on. These people aren’t ‘well intended but mistaken’ as he put it, but purposeful in their drive for global communism. In that sense, I hope Milei is capable of doing what he needs to do, but it has become even more challenging to believe he can after listening to this speech.
“the same mistake Trump made early on”
Like how early?
April 2016 –
Thank you, sDee — I loved hearing this speech again.
Freshman speech. He’s still wet behind the ears. Let’s see what he has to say in a year or two, or three……If he lasts that long.
“Today governments don’t need to control the means of production in order to completely control the lives of the people…”
His speech was just more political word salad. Ignore what he says and watch what he does in Argentina to see if he does what he says he will do. Talk is cheap.
“….watch what he does in Argentina to see if he does what he says he will do.”
Where I can, I am watching. Admittedly his support of Zelenskyy is worrying.
But in other areas, this looks like a start.
https://voz.us/the-market-triumphs-milei-manages-to-improve-rent-prices-with-deregulatory-measures/?lang=en
And he has withdrawn Argentina from BRICS. A short article on that…
https://apnews.com/article/brics-argentina-javier-milei-economy-china-46f2f7cdbdf6ff66523608503a6648d5
The BBC is not happy. What does that tell you?
Milei is fresh to the job. But I am not pessimistic. Just watchful…
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-67842992
Hi Betsy.
This is my redline with Milei:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/javier-milei-argentina-falklands-sovereignty/
Milei needs to accomplish something good, not just talk.
Good morning, Larry. So many arguments over sovereignty and possessions the world over.
As you accurately point out in Argentina’s case, the Falklands.
Others (not Argentinean) include Taiwan, Gibralter, Crimea.
The Elgin Marbles which are in the hands of the UK, but whose legal possession continues to be disputed by Greece.
I do understand your point…
Just as i understand Sundance’s observations and considered insight of Milei in Davos.
But now I think while Western civilization is teetering precariously on the edge of a satanic abyss this particular territorial dispute may have to “take a number” and wait in line while more pressing issues are addressed.
I believe we are in the throes of something evil and existential. First things first.
My opinion only.
Blessed be your day, my friend
Actually BRICS did not want
Argentina to join. It was only
the persistence of Brazil (Lula)
that Argentina was allowed to
join.
Argentina debt and corruption
was a concern.
After Argentina declined to join, it is
reported that BRICS was breathing
a sigh of relief.🤷♀️💁
So instead of joining BRICS….
Milei joined Paris Climate Agreement 😂😂
Argentina Will Stay in Paris Climate Agreement Under Milei, Negotiator Says
☝️☝️ US News
Another black mark, gypsy. We’ll see how long that lasts. He appears to be attempting to get inflation down. In the climate cult? Good luck with that!
As for the BRICS nations breathing a sigh of relief…
I stand looking at South Africa as a founding member. A genocidal country on the brink of economic implosion…
And I have to wonder if Milei sees more than he is letting on.
Whoever knows. We can only surmise.
Have you seen/heard the South Africa
papers and testimony/charges against
Israel regarding Gaza that were brought
forward at the UN ?
Just another thing that makes
me think…..no conclusions…
just some heavy thinking 🤔🤔
I always think of Milei as a
crazy squirrel cartoon character 😆
Time will tell. I see that Milei is having
protests in his country…by the Unions.
I always associate Unions with the
honest working people.
Meanwhile, it is reported that
Milei has stocked his cabinet
and administration with Oligarchs.
🤷♀️💁🤷♀️ Time will tell.
I don’t know about the oligarchs. All I know is that the man he replaced was much hated and impoverished Argentines.
I am reluctant to comment on what is being “reported”, gypsy, because the media has disgraced itself and in many countries has allied itself with the enemies of the people in those countries.
I’ll tell you Milei travels commercially on occasion. I watched a young man hurl himself crying into Milei’s arms after the election. And I watched Milei wrap him in a warm embrace. It looked genuine to me. Body language does not lie…nor faces.
I am just not ready to discount that he may be a saviour for Argentina with no agenda. I pray I am not wrong…as I was with Meloni in Italy.
Yes indeed, girl…time will most definitely tell.
Sundance –
I listened to Milei’s speech and thought that he was speaking against the principles of the WEF.
I then read your assessment after you listening to his speech 2 times.
You opened my eyes. Milei is not an ally. He is closer to the WEF camp, from what I can tell.
Sundance, thank you for your divinely inspired insight.
Corporations and government working together towards government objectives is fascism, towards the international corporation’s objectives is globalism/corporatism. And if the globalist corporations goals are really China’s objecives……
One collectivist group with a grudge against another group of collectivists.
History rhymes. Where their respective visions cannot coexist, they’ll eventually resort to war to force their designs over that of rivals.
Individualists without recourse within the law will be victimized by all of them. And so, another cycle of great suffering will have to be ended by rough men ready to commit violence on the behalf of others.
Speeches on socialism are not effective unless everyone shares the same idea 🙂
lolol
Is your individual outcome dependent upon the corporation or the state or upon your own effort?
Rural versus Urban concept.
How is your rice bowl filled?
The corporations and their lackey governments represent the age old hunter/gatherers who plunder the farmer/local society.
Thomas Jefferson – When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.
See the primary importance of controlling the European farmer and independent trucker? The doom that accompanies China, Bill Gates or CONAG acquiring farmland?
Every business should be a small business and every farm independently or family owned with minimal government control
The larger the organization the lower the morality
IOW small independent churches, think about it.
“The larger the organization the lower the morality”
BOOM!
This should be added to a “Undeniable Fact’s of Life” list.
“the merge of the corporation and the state”
Ursula von der Leyen covered this bluntly and without reservation or apology in the first two minutes of her speech… and challenged Europe to “lead the way”… got a hankerin’ to get the band back together, it seems…
Milei gave a milk toast speech. He pretended to be a rebel against the man, while explicitly being an invited good guest at the man’s event. Being called the Argentinian Trump, there was nothing Trumpian in his speech. That was not a titanium balls speech. Milei has a lot of “proving himself”to do. We’ll wait and see.
You already know what I thnk
Another WEF plant. POS!
🎯
migration doubled after her installation.
She got away with just ignoring it for awhile and then just talking about it for awhile longer. I wish I’d saved the first article I read because that was where it was obvious she had no intention of doing anything. Betrayal after trust is one of the worst things any person can do.
We watched also, and I wondered why he focused on socialism / bureaucratic control and praised attendees as if they weren’t the problem. I thought some of his comments poked attendees in the eye…I don’t recall much applause.
I wondered, is he naive? (Nah, no way) Does he not know where he is? (Of course he knows) Why is KS introducing him in such glowing terms? (Rebuilding trust? /s) Is it possible he conflates socialism with fascism? (🤷♀️)
I was hoping you would comment, look forward to your further comments. Thanks for all you do!!!
Being the optimist I am, I’m hoping he can be schooled with correct information to get on the right path. A dose of CTH would be ideal.
You said it. I do think he is being naive. Maybe it is me giving him the benefit of the doubt. It is my tendency with people I don’t know. I will make judgement later when the evidence comes in.
In this light, I viewed his speech as a simplistic oration of classic small gov, free market, capitalism. But, that is not the world we live in with these controlled markets and corporate control of gov.
I’m in the wait and see group.
IMO fascism and socialism are two sides of the same coin. Socialist govt commandeers means of production. Fascism just pretends that production is private, so as to avoid blame when it all goes to shit.
In the end, both are just versions of an authoritarian system that does not regard the Natural Rights of the individual.
Socialism, neo-fascism, neo-Marxism, neo-Maoism…
All the “isms” are models, useful to frame and understand reality, but all variously fall short of reality.
Some suggest:
There are three primary realities now:
The first, ruthless power seeking. Period. As old as mankind. “The ends justify the means” including deception.
The second, the NWO. Globalist elites, using increased synergies of tech/internet, in symbiosis with (1) the rising industrial/tech hegemony fed by China and (2) the corrupt western governments (neo-fascism).
The third – the Big Picture – is the unstoppable tectonic sinking of the west (US Bloc) and the ascension of the growing new hegemony led by China (+ Russian + Iran +…growing).
Combine these realities and think about it, to understand what is happening:
The WEF globalists spout nonstop deceptions to serve their power game – including of course Javier Milei. They are all beholden to China+ for their wealth now because the US decimated its industry/etc. over the last 40 years as China built. They will serve China’s long-term plan executing to “help manage” the decline of the US Bloc in ways that benefit them, including the canards of climate change as a pretext for energy/economic strangulation, “public health emergencies” as a front for biowarfare and tyranny, and “social justice” as a mechanism for degrading everything in the US Bloc.
Underlying all: The US government accelerating the overspending and debt, which is the rail forcing the entire US Bloc DOWN.
Last, but not least: The neo-fascism implies the globalist elites are symbiotic with the unprecedented surveillance/police state systems being expanded by the corrupted US Bloc / Five Eyes governments, with further movements to expand censorship, propaganda, and the police state.
Think about it. Look forward to where all this is heading.
There are myriad deceptions, red herrings, and manufactured distractions now, keep your eye on the Big Picture…and pray…
Where are the AntiFa protesters?
They are resting. It takes a physical toll on the body to be part of an organization that riots, loots and protests (mostly peacefully) a society that rejects fascism while simultaneously doing the bidding of fascist oligarchs while calling themselves literally antifascist.
They are currently wearing their 2024 gaza terrorist oufits.
Argentina’s unions take to the streets to protest president’s cutbacks, deregulation and austerity | AP News
☝️☝️ Dec 27,2023
Protests have been happening.
Comment in article referred to cutting
off public aid payments to those
who were blocking public through fares.🤷♀️💁
TY SD.
I remember when you first posted on this guy and I called out the red flags about his connections to WEF, Clinton, IMF and linking to Fed fiat system.
Caught some heat, but that’s ok.
He who laughs last …..
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Black Knight…
Same here.
I am just sitting back
watching and taking
notes.✏️📖
God bless and protect President Milei.
I believe this take from David Icke lines up with Sundance, in that Javier Melei didn’t really say what you think he said:
I heard that Milei’s speech at the WEF champions freedom, so I listened. It doesn’t. It seeks to move power and control from governments to corporations if you listen carefully and that’s happening anyway.
What he doesn’t say is that governments and corporations are owned by the same global Cult. So either way the same cabal is in control.
The obsession with economic growth for its own sake is classic free-for-all, child-like economics, in which the strongest, most wealthy and powerful, prevail without the most basic checks and balances.
Economic growth is merely the amount of money spent on goods and services. So all the negative things that we don’t want to happen are ticked as positive by economic growth if money changes hands and profits are made.
‘Freedom’ to be exploited by billionaires without redress is NOT freedom. Corporate monopolies with unchecked power is NOT freedom.
He talks about ‘capitalism’, but what he is describing in truth is cartelism.
It’s barely one-dimensional. It’s the playground. You challenge white with black and black with white while the Cult sits laughing in the shades of grey controlling both.
Milei is a child in a grown-ups’ playground appearing to challenge power while handing it over to the already super-powerful. Which do you want? The ‘free’ (rigged) market tyranny run riot or state-dictated communist tyranny?
Neither, thanks. I’m an adult. I want freedom and justice for all, not the few, and whether it’s Milei or Schwab the few get the spoils and the rest get the crumbs and the tyranny.
He spoke about breaking monopolies leads to socialism? What! Music to WEF ears, call it capitalism but continue implementing full bore fascism.
Man kinds only hope is to breakup the soul less global corporations who are blindly intent on killing the goose.
The goal is liberty and justice for all. Justice means a merit based society. He who will not work should not eat, but care for the poor and the widows and children out of your abundance — not through the state.
What happened to breaking up Ma Bell, and breaking up Hospital Corporation of America? Which monopolies are the government breaking up now to keep liberty and justice for all, and the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? You don’t see that now because corporations control the governments, and Davos/WEF controls the corporations.
More important, how do we live in our local communities and economies in such a way that we are independent and free from dependence or worse – oppression – from those who have no ethics to stop them from enslaving us or culling our lives away like excess cattle or plants?
Miles went to the WEF under threat he won’t get any IMF money. That’s my interpretation.
To “Build Trust” he said all the things he needed to say against socialists, and praised the corporations in attendance. Kind of like, Argentina is yours my precious Corps. Come “invest” in our new Capitalist state. Moreover, my currency now belongs to you. I’ll cut down the State and let you do as you (the WEF) wish(es).
If IMF hands in the money without many preconditions, then that action speaks for itself…
On the other hand…. He said what he needed to get the money then he’ll betray the WEF once back home. But that remains to be seen. I’m doubtful of it.
I’m not saying he’s a stooge of the WEF. I really believes he believes in what he says. It’s just that he’s unaware of the cloak that’s covering the WEF interests.
In essence, and without realizing it, he’ll change the cloak of Socialist Communism to Socialist (inverted) Fascism.
Let’s see his continued actions at home, so far so good, but yea he’s playing to get IMF money to bail out the issue ms at home
He’s Macri’s Biden. Macri as Obama. Same thing. Useful idiot and all that.
In others words, NAZI’S!
SD: Javier sounds like an Argentinian Ron Paul. I like his perspective.
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Davos has become Sodom & Gomorrah! Where all the sick, twisted, perverted elitists gather to discuss their evil plans to enslave the world!
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
We MUST Fight these people w/all we have!!!!
He’s a South American.
He is not American or Canadian.
He’ll try, but unless he gets help he is not going to be much of a change initiator worldwide.
I would just make the observation that “corporate fascism” exists because they have a “government” that supports them (with a military who can enforce their corporate policy).
Thinking about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. What good was the “corporate fascist” system operated by the Russian oligarchs in Eastern Ukraine when Putin came along and raised everything to the ground. And then we started seeing Russian “corporate fascists” jumping out of windows in Moscow and surrounding environs.
Therefore, there must be a higher power that controls (or at least can control) the corporate fascist enterprise.
The place to look, and Sundance identified it presciently, is the intelligence community who can control the gov and military.
So it could be that the head of the CIA ( with support of his handler on the SSIC in the US) is the guy who is really in charge.
🎯🎯💥💥💥^^^^^^^
Last week it was announced that Microsoft is now the largest corporation in the world with assets of $2.88 trillion. For perspective sake, there are only six nations in the entire world with a Gross Domestic Product larger than that. So Sundance is indeed correct when he says the fascist dynamic has flipped.
He is a libertarian, not a populist. Populists looking for an ally are going to be disappointed. The tell was pulling out of BRICS. I am not under any illusions that BRICS are good guys but they are the only coalition with enough potential power to break the WEF. And BRICS is far away while the WEF is already inside the gates. I can remember when conservatives thought BoJo and Meloni were going to break the mold. Of course, both proved to be massive disappointments. Meloni is a traditional conservative and BoJo a crypto-commie. They were never going to be on our side and Melei won’t either. If you want allies in the West think about Orban, Le Pen, Wilders and whoever is in charge of the AfD.
Perhaps, there may be some grounds for transactional cooperation on specific issues.
I chuckle at the school of thought that winning the election was all that matters. With Milei’s hand on the helm, the Starship Argentina will boldly go where no South American has gone before.
Pulled out of BRICS…..
but rejoined Paris Climate
Agreement.🤷♀️💁
Argentina Will Stay in Paris Climate Agreement Under Milei, Negotiator Says
☝️☝️ US News Dec. 2023
This guy is crazy good
Watch to see who praises him and who attacks. So far I have seen nothing but praise.
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Depends on what news source.
Even before he was elected he
was meeting with Bill Clinton,
Blinken and Yellen and many
others of the same……..
Now he is giving speeches at
WEF.🤡
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As We Go Marching is an excellent book by John T. Flynn written in 1944
Here is the complete book online
https://cdn.mises.org/As%20We%20Go%20Marching_2.pdf
Thank you, Sundance. Spot on. Always MAGA 👊👊🇺🇸🇺🇸❤️❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻
Not following your logic Sundance. Aren’t communism and fascism two competing forms of socialism? Under the former the state owns the means of production, whereas under the latter the state controls those who own the means of production. Not all corporations bow down to fascistic tendencies. Covid was a good example of this, where there were businesses that were all too eager to enforce restrictions upon the public at the behest of government that the government could not impose directly on the citizenry, but there were also many who refused to do so.
Socialism is the underlying ideology. Fascism is one of the odious strategies for imposing it.
It is corporate personhood that is the problem.
“A corporation is an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law. Being the mere creature of law, it possesses only those properties which the charter of creation confers upon it, either expressly, or as incidental to its very existence.” Chief Justice John Marshall
I have thought about this fact extensively. I do not have a problem with the personhood of a corporation, from the viewpoint of laws. ie – a corporation can sue some else, be sued, can be fined or punished for breaking laws. The problem is the relationship of corporations to government. Or more specifically elected officials. I believe corporations should be banned from providing any support or donations to election campaigns. The elected officials would have to totally rely on support from real, natural people.
“We’re So Against Hitler That We’re Going to Copy Him!”
“The definition of fascism is the marriage of corporation and state. ”–Benito Mussolini
“I just told my grandparents (who once lived under Mussolini) that ppl in the US think Trump is a fascist. They laughed so hard, they cried.”–Alana Mastrangelo
Ronald Reagan: “You can’t be for big government, big taxes and big bureaucracy and still be for the little guy.”
Or Big Multi-National Monopolies, either.
“Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual. And if liberty is to he the attribute of living men and not of abstract dummies invented by individualistic liberalism, then Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State. The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist State–a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values – interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people.”–“The Doctrine of Fascism”, Benito Mussolini
Mitch nods.
All these leaders of failed states should walk the walk rather than talk the talk.
Clearly, these moochers are talking their book to position themselves for personal positions in the globalization bureaucracy.
Milei’s speech is written for an audience with a collective IQ of 85. Nothing is going to happen.
I didn’t get the big confrontation thing either. But, overall, it was a pretty good finger jab in the eye for a Noobie president, and raised a little rucus. Time will tell if he stays on track and escalates. At least he tried…
Hook, line, sinker
“Market failures do not exist. Look for State Coercion.|”
Radical feminism causes led to greater market invention and market failures
Calls out ecological failure, women studies and the like cause market failures. Speaks against population control and abortion. Calls all of this harmful ideas by neomarxists. Fight against these ideas. West has turned to socialism. Calls out the states control every aspect of lives of the individual. He calls them all out.
West needs to get back on the path of limited government. Warn you that no matter how rich you may be, if measures are adopted against capitalism the only result will be poverty. Long live freedom.
I look at China. Xi cracks down and imprisons capitalists when they get too big or too powerful. Capitalist goals are to grow and grow and grow. Become a monopoly. The state needs to break the big corporations up. Ensure competition and innovation. I still do not see the corporations calling the shots? They still have to make money. Disney can get as woke as it wants but making a profit will become more and more difficult and maybe impossible. Sundance the real problem right now is OUR GOVERNMENT. That has to be fixed first.
Big government wants big corporations. Government makes 1 phone call to the Ag Business Group and tells them what to do.
Hard to corral 1 million small farmers. Same with any sector of the economy. Get the money out of Washington DC by getting rid of most of the functions and spending. Then break big business into competitive bit sized chunks.
Agreed.My take as well.
A little late to the discussion, will watch tonight – My initial positive assessment Milei based on Tucker’s interview and few other snippets after he won.
He is very ideological in his approach to the issues. I saw an interview where he was asked why he was breaking off any trade deals with China. His simple response was ” I don’t deal with communists.” full stop. The interviewer was struck, kinda of speechless with some dead airtime. He followed up with, “this does not prevent a private company form working with China.”
Soo, a very simple, maybe even naive ideological response -I will not work with communist. Soo, out of the BRICS agreement.
It is definitely a wait and see with Milei. I am starting to track Argentina as a possible final destination.
Yep.
Heh. I know the feeling.
My follow up for anyone still looking at these comments –
I replied to someone else who said it – I think he is being naive to what is happening in the world with the corporatism and controlled markets and various subversions to a true free market. This speech is like 10 year too late. I do have to say, ten years ago I was oblivious to most of what I plainly see happening today. Here at CTH, this an fairly informed bunch of people. Almost no one I interact with in daily life see these issues. Most are stuck in the Dem/GOP back and forth show. When I say Uniparty, it is a blank stare.
Soo, this Milei speech was just a really classic free market, small gov support for capitalism. His economist background showed through. I am sure most of audiences eyes glazed over as he was going through the data to proved his point. In this sense of get gov out of people lives, and reducing regulations or mandates on businesses – I liked this speech.
I do also agree with the criticism that Milei did not really address the issue at hand in todays world. But how many people actually get it? It does not appear to be that many.
I’m giving Milei the benefit of the doubt at the moment. Lets see what he does in Argentina. After a little research -Salta is looking really nice.
http://www.melissasbargains.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Fotolia_43494759_L.jpg
I’m late to this discussion, and basically want to give Milei a chance….do I have crystal ball….alright…stupid question, NOBODY DOES . My take on his speech was that he was trying show that he has some sense of economic history (to the oh so snooty WEF) he NOT a collectivist, he has a plan of leveraging Argentina’s resources both human and natural….and wants to do so globally,participating/competing in a unambiguous FREE MARKET ….that everyone knows ONLY exists “in theory” nod nod, wink wink…..
I think his intent was to stir up or encourage other smaller like minded individual “members” to adopt and engage with him, in his idea of free market capitalism…while being vigilant to the machinations of the financial monopoly and coercive influence of entities like the WEF…all the while trying to NOT PISS THEM (The WEF) OFF….not an easy tightrope walk…maybe NAIVE to even try.
As for his comments on taking action on perceived or actual corporate monopolies…..thats a tough one…..WE DONT really KNOW how to handle that, OURSELVES….look at Google, and for an empirical example, how about and the AT&T break up….was that a success….?
1/2 full 1/2 empty….
Now throw in the UNASSAILABLE monopolized control/influence by our deepstate intelligence operations…..
SO WHY do we even GIVE A $#!+ What Milei has to say.?? it’s like The Angels on a Pinhead endeavor……
other than to just have a datapoint on the guy…? What does it MATTER to us? Ok, it’s an excuse for 🍻 and 🍿🍿…if your into mind numbing babble.
Pontificating /speculation on him and his TRUE BELIEFS when we have THE DEEP STATE, MIDDLE EAST AND SHITHOLE UKRAIN, CHINA,…ETC ETC…on our collective plate….just to name a few……Is a fools folly.
The man-hug he gave to Zelensky is a huge red flag.
He still hasn’t connected all the dots.
I was happy when he was elected, but then I read about his keeping in the Paris climate bullsh*t. I’m not sure about the guy. No one has brought this up. Is that why he was at the WEF?
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/argentina-will-stay-paris-climate-agreement-under-milei-negotiator-says-2023-12-10/
So glad to see you defining modern-day fascism. Many are still thinking of this as a push for global communism and the end result is the same — totalitarianism — but the means are different, and it’s important. People don’t see, too often, that it’s the same thing whether it’s the government openly taking away rights or the “Bigs” (Big Tech, Big Green, Big Disinfo, etc.) doing it and calling it “the free marketplace.”
And as for the other factor, the “out group” — well, yeah, we see open hatred against the Jews, but they are an easy target just as the Asians are –being only a part of the real “enemy,” the broad, American middle-class. We’ve seen it much worse against the European-heritage group, only it’s non-PC to say so, so except for a few brave people like SD and VDH (Victor Davis Hanson), it hasn’t been addressed.
As I have expressed here before, I believe what we are suffering now is the unholy alliance of (Corporate/State) Facism + (Social) Marxism – that I have coined as “Farxism”.
Totalitarianism
Sundance has this 100% correct as usual.
Western nations are sliding towards ever more precipitously towards a soft fascism built upon an unholy merger of the state and corporations.
Sooner or later, however, this “soft fascism” will inevitably turn into “hard fascism.”
Covid demonstrated that our government and its corporate partners have the *will* to take the step into hard fascism. From the Patriot Act to FISA courts to weaponized prosecutions of political opponents to Central Bank Digital Currencies, they are continually working to develop and enhance the *means* to affect their desired outcomes.
Criticism of socialism is THE TOPIC of the 21st century.
Did the WEFer’s have an idea of what Mileiu was going to say ahead of time?
Did they block him? Is he dis-invited from future events?
Do the WEFer’s keep out people that don’t fit their paradigm?
Therefore Milieu is saying what he is allowed to say.
Perhaps Milei is going with the Georgia Meloni layered coats of first democracy, covered up by socialism, covered up by fascism. I think some of these presidents/prime ministers, who have been newly elected, PERHAPS had good intentions, but those good intentions left their minds as soon as they were sworn in. The hunger for raw power got the better of them.