Many people are talking about this today; it is an interesting dynamic.
According to Mediaite with the exclusive first story, Robert Kennedy Jr. will announce his transition from a candidate on the Democrat ticket to a candidate on the Independent ticket for the 2024 presidential contest. RFK Jr. will make the announcement on October 9th, in Pennsylvania.
(Via Mediaite) 2024 presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to announce he will run as an independent on October 9 in Pennsylvania, Mediaite has learned.
Kennedy’s campaign machine is now planning “attack ads” against the Democratic National Committee in order to “pave the way” for his announcement in Philadelphia about running as an independent, according to a text reviewed by Mediaite.
“Bobby feels that the DNC is changing the rules to exclude his candidacy so an independent run is the only way to go,” a Kennedy campaign insider told Mediaite. (more)
My thoughts are the same today as they were when we first discussed RFK Jr.
None of the Lightbringer’s supporters/voters and ballot harvesters are going to support RFK Jr. None of the leftists who follow social media or traditional media influence operations, the sheeple masses, are going to vote for RFK Jr. None of the party Democrats are going to vote for RFK Jr. None of the Gavin Newsom supporters are going to support RFK Jr.
So, who will vote for RFK Jr?
ANSWER: Two core groups.
#1) Ron DeSantis supporters. When RdS drops out, his coalition of support, the Never Trump Republicans, will flow to RFK Jr.
#2) Approximately one-third of unregistered, unaffiliated or what we would call “independent” voters. About a third of them.
Independents will fracture into three subsets. Approximately 1/3 supporting Gavin Newsom. Approximately 1/3 supporting Donald Trump. Approximately 1/3 supporting Robert Kennedy Jr.
With DeSantis Republicans and one-third of independent voters, that’s the RFK Jr. coalition.
As I said from the outset, RFK Jr. is the intelligence community insurance policy against the threat of Donald Trump.
RFK Jr. running as an independent will tilt the election to Gavin Newsom.
Stop thinking about RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden. Unfortunately, this will be the narrative; this will be what is polled. However, Joe Biden will not be the DNC nominee.
The correct question is, what does RFK Jr. running as an independent do to the 2024 contest when it is Gavin Newsom -vs- Donald Trump?
In that scenario, the motives and intentions of RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden, because Joe Biden is a blithering idiot, disappears. Democrats will happily stick with Newsom…. which is exactly why his visibility is everywhere right now. It’s an op.
RFK Jr. running as an independent, is part of that op.
Reset your reference point to the baseline where the intelligence operatives do not want you to be. When someone starts asking the question about RFK Jr. taking votes from Biden, stop them immediately. Joe Biden will not be the nominee. With Gavin Newsom as the DNC candidate coming out of Chicago, what does RFK Jr. do to THAT contest with Trump? That’s the question.
You all know the answer.
This is an op.
There is no more beautifully run intelligence operation than when the target of the intelligence operation represents the interests of the intelligence operation. The irony of a Kennedy is just a cherry on the operational cake.
Last point. Remember when I warned about “Q” back in 2018 ,and people got very, very mad at me for my position? Do you think it is accidental the Kennedy narrative stemmed from the “Q”-Anon origin?
Save the Date, Save the Country. #Kennedy24 pic.twitter.com/rSSs7flPKa
— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) September 29, 2023
Looks tge DS made old RFK, jr. an offer he just could not refuse. If the Deep State hook-n-ladder play is RFK, is there a successful counter to such a maneuver? Do you confront RFK with this, and make him disprove it or relent and dropout?
Seems like very Quixotic times in which we dwell. Has the USA been given “over to a depraved mind”?
Oh man depraved mind. I just taught on that Romans 1:18-32 at church. It’s so true.
We fit the first chapter to a T.
That’s totally crazy! The deep state killed his uncle. You guys really need to do some serious research. You sound like you get your news from MSNBC!
He never even knew uncle John F Kennedy. He is working to help the Demcommies defeat Trump. The Demcommies will always vote for the Demcommie candidate. You haven’t noticed that only 14% of Demcommies would vote for RFK against Biden. You know that most of that 14% would support any other Demcommie who replaces Biden on the ticket. Watch how they get rid of Kamala before they get rid of Biden because Kamala is from Caliphonia and so is Gavin Newsom whom they will replace Biden with on the ballot. Do you also know that two candidates from the same State cannot be on the presidential ticket. Both Kamala and Joe must be gone before Newsom becomes the replacement for Biden. Once Biden is gone, who does RFK get his votes from? Our Constitution did everything it could to prevent one political Party from dominating our politics. For my money, there has never been a Kennedy who was worth a tinker’s damn, and RFK is not an exception. My apology to the Kennedy from Louisiana, who was never related to any of them.
“uncle — AND father!”
I have a bit of a different opinion Sundance.
Traveling from Alabama to Massachusetts I run into a lot of people.
Especially in Massachusetts where it’s mostly liberal.
Williamstown Massachusetts is ultra left and I can say a good 3rd of these loonies like RFK jr.
I’ve spoken with a lot of these turds and about a good 25 percent believe Trump will win in 2024.
Gavin Newsome isn’t really a popular guy.
Black voters don’t like him, Hispanics don’t care for him either.
I think the RFK vote will be a bigger splitter for the Democrats than Trump.
Anti Trump voters are going with RFK instead of Newsome. So that vote won’t help.
I’ve spoken with a few black friends and many are split on Trump or RFK, Hispanics really like Trump so I think that vote is gonna be worse for Newsome.
Trumps base is too big and people who were kind of iffy about voting Trump again many are saying they will vote for him as an FU to the state because of the charges against him.
I’m with you, Patrick. First of all, it might an op, but a lot of their ops haven’t worked very well lately. Meanwhile, one thing that makes me question the conclusion that he’s sent by the deep state is the remarkable smoothness that RFK would have to be exhibiting for that to be true. He’s coming across as unusually genuine and consistent, going back to his early anti-vaccine days. Only Trump can match him on that count. Participating in an op of this nature would require an incredibly deep and successful sociopathy, beyond anything I’ve ever seen on such a scale, and I made a living doing psychodiagnosis for nearly 40 years. Does he have some white hats from the deep state that think his candidacy will be good for the country and that he might even win the presidency this way? That seems more likely.
Not that I’m infallible, but I’m still looking for something that provides convergent validity for the conclusion that he is an anti-Trump, deep state weapon. Things like that are usually very easy to see and figure out. It only took a couple of weeks to understand that Ubu was a disingenuous Trojan horse for the global communists. Many were fooled, but the red flags were everywhere you looked. Similarly, but on the other side of the coin, it was easy to see that Russia-gate was a hoax, easy to see the minute it was proposed. Trump’s history, well-documented personality style, and the basic incentives (giving up a cushy retirement and committing treason in order to do the hardest job in the world) never lined up with the underlying theory.
I’m going to need more to go on before I’m convinced about this than the obvious fact, as far as the eye can see these days, it seems like its ops and turtles all the way down.
I hope and pray that’s accurate!
Reading Sundance’s words carefully, I don’t think his words indicate that RFK,Jr. is a willing or cognizant player in the op. The controlling elements of the DNC were more likely the willing participants, changing rules and spreading rumors so that a sincere RFK,Jr. candidacy would realize the road ahead is blocked, and thus he was herded into the “kill zone” or sweet spot the Deep State wished him to occupy.
Both Trump and RFK,Jr. understand the breadth of the Deep State’s influence, and the threat to freedom its collaboration with private sector mega-corporations represents. Both have no illusions about what the DS is willing to do to remove threats to their power or plans. Both are taking the point on a trail that they know is filled with elaborate ambushes.
Kennedy has been fighting a war against the private sector threats in the courts for many years, while Trump’s four years in the capital worked like agent orange to denude and expose the depth and extent of Washington corruption and tyranny.
I’m just beginning to vet Kennedy’s positions. I may find some beliefs or issues I cannot support.
But this I know–if Kennedy had been in the room with Trump, we would not have had the lockdowns and the mRNA jabs and the military delivering Big Pharma’s cash cow. Kennedy would have known and pushed back against the FDA and CDC working for industry instead of for the public, and have put the paucity and irregularity of the vax testing front and center before the public worldwide.
Every leader has weaknesses, and the Deep State has decades of experience identifying and utilizing those weaknesses to their advantage. Having two different brains, different personalities, and different fields of lifetime experience–but united against a common enemy would be a tremendous asset in our struggle against a global reset.
I can’t imagine a scenario where that would happen, but if God in His providence has supplied our nation with two leaders willing to put their lives on the line to regain our liberty… I won’t be quick to throw stones at either.
Now I am voting for Trump but if you listen to a whole podcast of him 2 things you will take away.
1) big pharm,vaccines, and Covid is a government grab and not for the health of the people.
2) you might not agree with his stance on a issue but it’s reasonable.
Never, never, never! He wants our guns. And our gasoline cars.
From what I have read about RFK Jr…he has typical Democrat ideals regarding 2nd amendment. He has criticized first term of Trump about the turnover of personnel and Trump’s attitude is found to be caustic. I am doubtful he’d join a second Trump administration.
Candidates with sensible policy positions are intended to be acceptable to Never-Trumper republicans. But only the person appearing on the ballot with a “D” behind their name will get party-line Dem votes (and fraudulent mail-in votes, and fake machine tabulated votes.) RFKjr will siphon more votes from Trump than from the Dem.
80% of Dems don’t want Joe.
They have met.. and talked. Perhaps about vaccines?
Maybe having a father and uncle could contribute to that. Idk .. but he did say.. there is really nothing that can be done. So I think he put that on the back burner.
He’s also a committed member of the climate change cult and a fan of the Castro regime in Cuba.
He has stated that if elected he will ban fracking that alone is enough to disqualify him.
https://blackmon.substack.com/p/why-rfk-jr-can-never-be-elected-to?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=712558&post_id=137125123&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=qaqqd&utm_medium=email
Sundance was vague and didn’t make this very clear! It sounded and I am saying sounded like he was insinuating that RFK is a deep state player!
I believe he is a deep state player.
Everyone who is a multimillionaire is approached. Tucker said he was.
Anti 2A, pro baby murder, and all in on the Green Agenda. That’s instant disqualification for me.
Double thumbs up!!
Get RFKJ IN and the shoot him.
Not if RFKJ is all in on deleting the 2 A. AND climate change (God save us).
Would be nice!
Agree about Newsome. Plus there is no way that coward moron would run against Trump given such a late campaign start.
It is not a late start. The Dem dark-money machine can funnel in ample money. The Media will provide ample airtime. And Dem low-information voters are not paying attention yet. Most Dem low-information voters don’t pay attention ever, including when they mark their ballot. There is no DNC primary. The Dem nomination is decided in a back-room by “Super Delegates.” The whole primary race is nothing but eyewash to distract the rubes and to give the media something to talk about.
EVERY nomination, down to the level of who is ‘allowed’ to run in the 2 party system primaries is decided in the private corporate back rooms of the RNC / DNC machine.
Look at Magic Joe and South Carolina. South Carolina should be banished from the kingdom.
People forget there are a lot of working class Democrat types. They aren’t all the terminally online ivory tower elitists we’ve become used to.
These people would never support Newsom. Plus the fact that Kennedy isn’t some fringe weirdo that nobody’s ever heard of. He’s a Kennedy. He’s got a name and therefore brand recognition that he can run on.
Honestly, we won’t know whose vote he’s going to split until closer to the time, but if Democrats try to get him thrown off in key states for lack of signatures, then we’ll know exactly who he’s appealing to and who’s most afraid of him
If RFK is really in it to split the vote all he’s gotta do is lay low until August 2024 and then start rolling out the lies and the headlines will trumpet his lies to the moon. RFK comes across as a very sincere and genuine person. If deep state dark powers give him an or-else list of talking points and RFK is not willing to die for his principles, then he’d be a shoo-in for telling the best political lies anybody will ever hear. For the children…
He is the Wolfe in all those fairy tales.
He is a fringe weirdo.
Anyone who has any interest in any of these so called “Presidential Candidates” either doesnt know or doesnt believe our elections are fundamentally rigged and/or Biden Didnt Win.
If they did the only logical choice would be President Donald Trump. End of discussion.
Another voice of reason in here. Nice.
Agreed.
Disturbing how many times this foundational fact escapes the minds of men.
2018 was rigged.
2020 was expanded rigged.
2022 was more expanded & rigged than 2020.
2024… I’m sure it’ll go back to “normal” now that we have leftist security measures in place to ensure a “free & fair” election. These people do not give away power in elections. They consolidate it.
The story should be 2 fold:
1. Federal & State Elections are Corrupt at its foundational level. False results should be expected if nothing is done about this NOW.
2. The Left is already into phase 3. “Begin to sweep away useful idiot R’s who helped them get this far.
Bonus:
Phase 4: take over 75% of State Legislatures… now why would they want to do that?…hmm…
2024… I’m sure it’ll go back to “normal” now that we have leftist security measures in place to ensure a “free & fair” election.
Jocular! Very good. A satire of the clubbies. Even better.
Some people continue to delude themselves into believing the same criminals who faked all the Covid numbers, who fake all the economic and unemployment numbers, who fake all the Ukraine numbers, who faked all the Afghanistan numbers, who fake all the border-jumper numbers… that these EXACT SAME PEOPLE will not dare to completely fake the election numbers.
The Dems will absolutely corrupt the election process at every level. They don’t want to take a step down, and they certainly don’t want to risk going to jail. This is for all the marbles and, like Sundance says, they will be fighting to win like the third monkey on the ramp to Noah’s Ark.
They will rig every election from school board to the presidency. And Sundance has said the RNC has little or no interest in whether their side wins or not. So, who will make sure the election is on the up and up?
2008, 2012 were definitely rigged.
Yes, Newsom is the OBVIOUS Dem alternate to Biden. He is the hand the magician wants the audience to be watching, while meantime the other hand is working a trick. Newsom is a PSYOP, a misdirection PSYOP. Kennedy may well be another PSYOP, the “insurance policy.” There are no doubt multiple other OPs going already to tip the vote counts and provide more distractions.
Biden and Harris will get the boot alright but the replacement will probably be somebody other than Newsom, somebody very famous and very highly regarded by the low-information public, but also somebody who can be easily controlled by the same puppet-masters who run Biden.
Newsom is worst than Biden, if that’s possible. Even California Dems have had it with him. He would have removed him during the recall, if not for the cheating.
What’s most critical is the steal and preventing as much election fraud as possible.
President Trump Should Have RFK Jr as VP and put RFK Jr in charge of an investigation of the JFK and RFK Assassinations as well as 9/11.
This is why RFK Jr is running for President:
“Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: Sirhan Sirhan didn’t kill my father. Gov. Newsom should free him.
For many years, I accepted the orthodoxy that Sirhan was responsible. After all, dozens of eyewitnesses in the Ambassador Hotel pantry saw him fire his gun from just a few feet in front of my father. But in 2016, my father’s close friend, Paul Schrade, persuaded me to read Los Angeles County coroner Thomas Noguchi’s autopsy report and to listen to audio recordings and review other evidence indicating that Sirhan could not have been the murderer.
Sirhan fired only two shots directly at my dad. One of them struck Schrade in the head. The other likely lodged in a door jamb behind my father. Five men then tackled and pinned Sirhan to a steam table and diverted his gun away from my father. From beneath that dogpile, Sirhan squeezed off six more shots, emptying his chamber as five of the six shots hit bystanders. This accounts for seven of the eight rounds in Sirhan’s gun. The only audio recording of the shooting, however, suggests that at least 13 shots may have been fired. The Los Angeles Police Department had the audiotape at the time of Sirhan’s trial, but illegally concealed it from his lawyers and the public for 20 years. Meanwhile, according to Tim Tate and Brad Johnson’s 2018 book “The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy,” FBI agents found several additional bullet holes in the pantry, further indicating more than eight shots were fired.
According to the autopsy, all four shots that struck my father (one shot passed harmlessly through his suit) were fired from behind at a steep upward angle toward the ceiling. All shots were from within a few inches, with two leaving gun powder residue in the wounds, suggesting that the assassin was standing close behind my father, shielding his weapon with his body while all attention focused on Sirhan.
Mortally wounded, my father turned and tore off the clip-on tie of a recently hired security guard named Thane Eugene Cesar, who had clutched my father’s elbow from behind and steered him toward the steam table where Sirhan was waiting.”
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Robert-F-Kennedy-Jr-Sirhan-Sirhan-didn-t-16686114.php
Give up, Joe on this fantasy of Bobby being Trump’s VP.
It ain’t never gonna happen.
RFK Jr is democrat, and firmly believes in federal government as the solution to all the nation’s issues. He’s was born into a family of privilege and though he has fought his demons, and has done a lot good for the less privileged and those is 3rd world nations with his anti-vaccine work, he cannot relate to the average American like Trump. He’s a lawyer first and foremost, not day laborer. RFK Jr has stated on several occasions he does not support the MAGA policies Trump supports and instituted when he was President. Kennedy is a Kennedy, and his policies and belief system are antithesis to American Patriots.
No, thank you. RFK Jr can take over Fauci’s position and clean out the cesspool of NAIAD, CDC, FDA, and all of the other “private/public” partnerships that we have in the medical/science/pharma/hospital industry.
He knows where the bodies are buried. Let him go destroy what needs to be destroyed.
Absolutely, positively! If RFKJr were appointed to this postion can you image the sound of the Great Gnashing of Teeth? LOL. There are many in those entities who deserve to be brought up on charges for Crimes Against Humanity. This man spent his career litigating against vaccine companies so he knows all their tricks and felonious business practices. Since he was injured himself by them, (why his voice is so raspy) Pay Back time is long overdue.
This is what I have in my personal dreams. I have dread that my grandchildren will be disabled or killed by “vaccines” that are worse than the diseases they purport to treat.
Just recently I listened to an interview with a former policewoman whose assignment had been to investigate SIDS cases. She said that something like 80% of SIDS cases were occurring within a week of infant vaccinations, and a very high number of them within 48 hours of vaccination.
I post this because my daughters and their husbands are diehard vaccine/doctor believers. I not. I spent several years assisting clients with autism including a young person who (along with his twin brother) had become seriously disabled and non-verbal within 48 hours of their MMR shots. Their doctor tried to gaslight the parents, oh, it could not have been the shots! Despite the boys having been developing beautifully up until that incident.
I am praying without ceasing that SOMEONE with influence will step up and protect my grandchildren, the two that I have and the others I long for.
Here is the Substack. “Former major city policewoman: 50% of SIDS cases occur 48 hours post-vaccine”
https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/former-major-city-police-detective?r=p153t&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
VACCINATION AND THE
DYNAMICS OF CRITICAL DAYS
Nexus Magazine (Vol 12, No 6, Oct-Nov 2005)
PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia. [email protected]
by Viera Scheibner, PhD ©2004
Principal Research Scientist (Retired) 178 Govetts Leap Road Blackheath, NSW 2785, Australia
Dynamics of critical days as part of the dynamics of non-specific stress syndrome discovered with Cotwatch breathing monitor
Underlying mechanisms of the cycle
Vaccination and cot deaths
Deaths after vaccinations
Vaccination and shaken baby syndrome
…
in full; 2nd paper here: { https://vaccinetruth.org/study-on-dpt.html }
AND
Torch, 1982
“… In 1982 William Torch reported that his investigation of 70 SIDS cases (which was triggered by a report of 12 such deaths occurring within three-and-one-half hours to 19 hours of DPT vaccination) found that two-thirds of the victims had been vaccinated from a half-day to three weeks prior to death.(ref)
Torch reaffirmed a link between DTP and SIDS in 1986, when he presented 11 new cases of SIDS and one of near-miss syndrome occurring within 24 hours of DTP injection(ref) Analysis of these and more than 150 cases of DTP post-vaccinal deaths reported in the literature—about half of which were sudden or anaphylactic—led Torch to conclude: “Although many feel that the DPT-SIDS relationship is temporal, this author and others maintain a casual relationship exists in a yet-to-be-determined SIDS fraction.”(ref)
Other researchers also have uncovered a relationship between DTP and SIDS.(refs) However, the CDC reported in 1996(ref) that several studies conducted in the 1980s did not find an association between DTP vaccination and SIDS.(refs.)….”
{ Gary Null Torch study 1982 & 86 Vaccination (Nov 2007) Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients }
Dr. Scheibner was ignored, Dr. Torch was defamed & vilified… but the SIDS death rates kept rising – mushrooming – so the CDC decided to quietly add a new, different “death-certifier preference”/ICD category with subcategories for reporting infant deaths – they invented a new bucket/stepped up using different names under which to categorize SIDS deaths: SUIDs …
Sudden Unexplained Infant Deaths.
From a 2011 paper…
“… Prior to contemporary vaccination programs, ‘Crib death’ was so infrequent that it was not mentioned in infant mortality statistics. In the United States, national immunization campaigns were initiated in the 1960s when several new vaccines were introduced and actively recommended. For the first time in history, most US infants were required to receive several doses of DPT, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines.(ref) Shortly thereafter,
in 1969, medical certifiers presented a new medical term—sudden infant death syndrome….
By 1980, SIDS had become the leading cause of postneonatal mortality (deaths of infants from 28 days to one year old) in the United States.(ref)
In 1992, to address the unacceptable SIDS rate, the American Academy of Pediatrics initiated a ‘Back to Sleep’ campaign, convincing parents to place their infants supine, rather than prone, during sleep. From 1992 to 2001, the postneonatal SIDS rate dropped by an average annual rate of 8.6%. However, other causes of sudden unexpected infant death (SUID) increased.
…
Reclassified infant deathsIt appears as though some infant deaths attributed to SIDS may be vaccine related, perhaps associated with biochemical or synergistic toxicity due to over-vaccination. Some infants’ deaths categorized as ‘suffocation’ or due to ‘unknown and unspecified causes’ may also be cases of SIDS reclassified within the ICD. Some of these infant deaths may be vaccine related as well. This trend toward reclassifying ICD data is a great concern If some infant deaths are vaccine related and concealed within the various ICD categories for SUIDs, is it possible that other vaccine-related infant deaths have also been reclassified?
…
{ Miller & Goldman Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity? }
W-999, here is a report on how the injection\implant method of control is steaming ahead:
https://www.starfirecodes.com/p/the-science-behind-teslaphoresis-wireless-tech?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
What doesn’t pass the SMELL test with me – why, oh why, would RFK, Jr be a long-standing DemonRat, when he knew the Deep State killed his father and uncle?
No f’ing way in h-e-double-hockey-sticks would I support and defend an organized crime affiliate such as that which killed my family.
On one hand, I find some of RFK, Jr.’s pursuits quite noble.
On the other hand, I have a gnawing suspicion that Camelot is out of money and they’ve seen an opportunity in the Clinton Foundation ways of doing things. He’s all about Green New Deal. You have to watch out. He is a DemonRat.
They may change names and they may change ponies in the race, but a rat, is still a rat, is still a rat.
I see a lot of progressives preferring RFK Jr to Newsom. Progs also see Dems as a part of a uni-party. But I think their No 1 issue is Medicare for all, whoever offers that will get their vote.
In 2015, Candidate Trump was very clear, we need to insure everyone. HOW would be the obstacle.
So RFK Jr is an op? Seriously, this is tinfoil hat stuff. According to Sundance everyone but Trump is a tool of the intelligence apparatus. That’s not wrong, it’s crazy.
Plenty of people have posited that one is not able to run for political office unless one is already severely compromised, as the big money donations only go to those who can be blackmailed.
It is not irrational to observe that almost all American politicians have been compromised by America’s enemies both foreign and domestic.
The intelligence communities, both foreign and domestic comprise the handlers,the puppet masters controlling our compromised corrupt politicians.
Conditions in our country will not resemble anything approaching NORMALCY until the entire intelligence community is disbanded.
If that is not achieved….. Abandon all hope!
Disbanded?
How about military tribunals for treason, then public hangings all around, if, of course, found guilty.
The Intelligence Community in this country is so bloated, not even counting all the contractors, that it would take until Eternity to prosecute them.
Surely the worst of these treasonous traitors have been identified, if not already dealt with. But the intel agencies must be ripped asunder, tirn apart, disbanded.
Have a look at this. Well-written, well-informed: https://elizabethnickson.substack.com/p/we-are-still-babylonian-debt-slaves?utm_campaign=email-post&r=1ha8x0&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Indeed! Very well written and extremely interesting.
Thanks much for the link.
Sad to say today’s military would let them all off scot-free. They’re just as corrupt as the Intels.
Remember what Eisenhower said about the “complex”.
Gitmo has been expanding. I’m sure that is just a coincidence. There is even a geriatric wing. Hmmmm?
Billionaires and trillionaires should back honourable candidates who don’t have the cash to run a campaign. Is it even possible any more to accept support without promising crooked favors? Are there such ? Are there people who give LARGE money with no strings attached? If there are, they should band together and get busy finding worthy candidates and back them to the hilt.
I remember being called this when I pointed out the Russia thing was a hoax in early 2017.
Sure is convenient that there were news reports a couple weeks ago about an armed man arrested at an RFK Jr event.
Almost like somebody wanted that planted in our minds.
Btw, the Russia hoax was an IC-FBI joint operation to overthrow Trump. So again, why the name calling now?
Sundance did not say “ everyone but Trump is a tool of the intelligence apparatus”. Your response is a mischaracterization.
If RFK is or isn’t we don’t know. However unwitting assets are a real thing, even a preferred thing. It is reasonable to believe the intel apparatus’s substantial money laundering and media assets might be directed toward RFK support.
Sundance seems to be going down the same rabbit hole as Jack Posobiec and Charlie Kirk about Kennedy! My guess is that they are assuming Kennedy does two things splits the vote in thirds as Sundance posits or takes enough votes to make a 2020 steal much easier to execute again for a Kamala or Newsom!!! I don’t know what to think really!!! 🤷
Just vote Trump. It will be a beauty to behold. Tucker keeps saying this will not be between Joe and Trump.
Where did I say that RFK Jr was a participant?
I didn’t.
An intelligence operation can exist without the principal target participating.
An op? How about a phony presidential candidate?
They are crazy. We are from Realville.
Ross Perot proved an Independent can’t win. The UniParty rigged it that way.
Sundance’s take that President Trump taps the African American man from South Carolina (?) becomes clearer.
Too bad RFK Jr. couldn’t be tabbed early in some kind of czar position for President Trump.
Head up the CDC and FDA? Ha.
The UniParty rigged it that way.
Which was a big reason Trump dropped out of the 2000 presidential campaign (he was running Reform Party).
Please never even think RFKJ is a real thing.
I think where Sundance goes wrong is the assumption that Creepy/Grifter Joe won’t be the DemocRat nominee. Governor Nuisance isn’t very popular even in Commiefornia (don’t forget the recall), where a cadaver can get elected Gov. if it’s a Dem. Biden polls better than Nuisance with important demographic groups. Kamala Harris is another Commiefornia loser politician. Big Mike ain’t in the picture. She’s busy spending the $200 million payoff from Netflix, busting Barry’s b_lls and getting rid of indiscreet domestic help 🙂
Joe is the best they have in a very weak crowd and he is already there. They will stick with him which is why they are screwing over Kennedy. Joe and his handlers know that Jr. hurts him more than Trump.
What concerns me more than topics like this is the thought that right now shadowy, Deep State elements are cultivating an Oswald type patsy to take out Trump. The profile of the patsy would be that of a MAGA supporter and over-the-top, white nationalist, Putin supporting Q anon follower with a trail of weird internet posts. That way they could finally get rid of Trump and discredit the MAGA movement while justifying a crackdown on “domestic terrorists”. Our enemies have all of the angles covered and are always 2 steps ahead of Congressional Republicans.
Let’s pray that PDJT’s security remains impeccable.
He should beware of CIA posing as security officers, as that is how they got to RFK according to RFKJr.
Absolutely contemptible that the original nazi-filled CIA was camouflaged from its inception as a legitimate intel agency operating with professional spooks
What an outrageous monstrousity which swept throughout America with its vile abominable spiderweb of nasty schemes and nefarious plots.
David Duke already endorsed Joe.
He can’t win. So why? More ego, like doing push-ups with his shirt off?
RFK, Jr’s go no money (family will not allow him to squander their fortunes on a race he cannot win and all he will get is raspberries from the Uniparty). Plus he will be battling Cornell West for the lib and black Dem votes. The best Jr will be able to do is beg Trump for a decent cabinet position right before he, Jr, drops out. Too bad because he is a bright and principled man but one with a terrible personal past and a very off-putting voice.
I thought it was illegal to run a psyop on the American people. You know this is being run by our intel agencies.
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Since a psyop utilizes propaganda, and Obama did not ‘renew’ the Smith-Mundt Act in 2014, we have been getting propagandized for nearly a decade now . . .
From what I understand, Obama “updated” the Smith Mundt Act in 2014 to ALLOW propaganda within the US. He tacked it into a defense bill.
Prior to this, the Smith Mudnt Act FORBID propaganda in the US. It was originally written to allow US propaganda outside the US.
Personally, I believe this action by Obama was a very destructive one. I may misunderstand something about it because hardly anyone knows about it or mentions it. Yet, I think it’s extremely important. I would love to hear more discussion on this topic.
I should clarify. Smith Mundt originally did not allow our GOVERNMENT to spread propaganda with in the US. Obama’s change DID allow it.
Here’s what the note in my seminal events file says about it (copied here at the time, couple of years ago):
Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 – Amends the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 to authorize the Secretary of State and the Broadcasting Board of Governors to provide for the preparation and dissemination of information intended for foreign audiences abroad about the United States…
Wasn’t Hilliary the SecState then?
What a perfect choice for Head Propaganda Minister…
It was, until the Smith/ Munster act, if I am not mistaken.
Sundance, I would agree that Newsom will be the establishment candidate but RFK Jr is making this move BECAUSE of the way the D’s handle things and he is not shy to bash them repeatedly. Why would the establishment want him out there bad mouthing the games the D’s play? Some D’s will hear this and be affected as well. Yes he will pull votes from Trump and yes he will pull votes from Newsom but the question will be if he can pull enough from Trump so that the ‘machine’ can add enough ballots to actually elect Newsom?
Anyone looking for alternative off label generic therapeutics for covid starting early in 2020 first heard remedies from the likes of Vladimir Zelenko for HCQ (RIP), Paul Marik/Pierre Kory of FLCCC for Ivm, Peter McCullough and perhaps others depending on your reading depth. These people were attacked, lost their livelihoods but stood strong. They’ve got a following that trusts them and that following obviously wasn’t Democrats even though probably all of the above were. They trust their medical judgement and thank them everyday.
No, it wasn’t following RJKjr or Jenna McCarthy. Those two were always anti-vax and at the time (2020) the vast majority thought they were just kooks for their stance (not now). So what happens when the vast majority of Republicans who followed the good doctors, such as Pierre Kory (FLCCC), see him fund raising for RJKjr because of his ONE ISSUE with the covid vaccine? It fear it hurts Trump. To what extent, 🤷🏾♀️
Every acquaintance I have who is no longer supporting President Trump gives Trump’s support of the vaccine, his continuing to boast about Covid response as the reason they can no longer support him. They tell me how a loved one was harmed by the vaccine and only took the shot because the Trump administration told them to do so.
These acquaintances do not listen to explanations or excuses. They are emotionally distanced over this one issue.
If anyone who has access to President Trump is reading this, please talk to him. He has to be prepared for this issue. If I were advising him, I would suggest that he admit his mistake in believing what he was told. We can forgive a mistake.
Trump had no choice, he is not a doctor, the law required he transfer Covid response to a task force of experts, he did what they said; lockdowns, vaccines, all the bullshit
The FEMA Stafford Act requires a President to transfer management of an emergency to a team of experts if he or she does not possess “Presidential Competency”.
The Covid-19 Pandemic construct captured President Trump like almost all other working people in the Western World in a Medical Biosecurity State.
If Trump had diverged from mainstream medical science, which unfortunately is captured by the Vaccine Industry and supports and promotes mRNA, Trump would of broken the Stafford Act, absolutely been impeached by Congress, and then Pence would of invoked the 25th Amendment and Trump would of been physically removed from the Presidency.
President Pence and VP Pelosi would have continued the Covid lockdowns and the mRNA mandates would of manifested earlier and harder.
In this scenario, there would of been no stolen Election 2020 or 2022 and no renaissance in global patriotism and civic activism.
https://www.mrnacide.com/p/63-covid-19-dictatorship-captured-trump
Covid 19 was an op, like 911 or Jan 6. There will be other ops, a two-front WW3 with China and Russia for instance. Covid 24.
Yes there is a Covid 19 political economy and JFKJr is center of that, but let’s see what happens.
There will be new ops. Trump and the Presidency is a balancing act. He has to support the RNC and the GOP for instance, even though 99% of them are scum, he has to work with what he has.
Trump put RFKJr in that central place, why would he do that?
Fantastic comment.
This is true. Emergency Act is the coverall.
Concern noted.
Why would a person take advice from anyone other than their own doc??? Even at that, listen to your doc then do some research and always pay attention to “that gut feeling”
Sadly they are blaming Trump for their own ignorant decision. People bought the fear porn that was coming at us 24/7. He recommended HCQ, Ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies and other alternatives and was CRUCIFIED.
He also put a big fat stick in the Pharmas/WEFs plans to take 5 or more years, keep us in lockdown and destroy the economy. How many would have died then? They had to come up with something before they were ready-> Warp Speed. Trump did not mandate and told people to make their own decision. But some governors did mandate.
Those of us who knew something was up did our research and decided not to take an Experimental poison pill. We all had to make our own decisions. Nuremberg Code was flagrantly violated. Crimes against humanity were committed. People died. Millions. We haven’t seen the fallout yet.
We are in a WAR.
Another Liberal disaster. How many rapes, sexual assaults, and sexcapades will this lead to?
San Jose Mercury: Gender-neutral school bathrooms: Gov. Gavin Newsom approved a measure that would require campuses to have the bathrooms by July 2026.
perfect ticket splitter, now we see why Jr. has been using the talking points he has been using.
you can even see in the comments here on CTH how well this op is working
RFK jr. hates the CIA. Larry Elder is correct that Kamala will not vanish and Newsome will not leapfrog her. If Kamala is murdered or is forced out, African Americans will know it and that is it for the Dems. Sundance never deals with the Kamala question.
Ah, but! The 12th amendment inhabitant clause means the Dem Ticket can’t both be from California. Once Gavin is in Kamala is out, tout suite.
Senator Kamala
Respectfully, how will that happen? Feindead’s seat is up in 2024 and it’s been promised to Oakland’s Lee (black) but Schiff-for-Brainz (snow white) and Katie Porter (ultra snow white, Chablis-chugging View-watching soccer mom) will battle her for it. Hair Gel cannot just go around zapping U. S. senators unless they croak — AND HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO APPOINT AN INTERIM SENATOR WHO IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THREE..
..so back you you, Robb.
Someone “zapped” Feinstein. I’m surprised they haven’t accused Mike Lindell of using a My Pillow.
I’m afraid you’re right about RFK bleeding off TRUMP voters and facilitating a Democrat win in 2024.
RFK jr. is appealing for a number of reasons but he’s still (1) a liberal; (2) a Democrat; and (3) a Kennedy. No single family has done as much to destroy this country as the Kennedy family. They are poisonous snakes.
I think the bush family was more destructive to the USA than the Kennedy family.
Biden and Newsome type establishment Democrats, and their equivalent uniparty RINOs are the reason Independents are the largest and fastest growing party of any political group. Not a 1/3, not 1/10, like a smattering might, most probably won’t, vote for Biden or Newsome, same thing, anti American
I think RFK’s role right now is to woke up those Dems still clinging to their Democratic ideals and notions about the DNC
It’s always interesting to see which they plan to bring down first, the RNC or DNC. I’m thinking w this election, they are both going to lose their power and go down about the same time
MO JFK was a set up for the democrat, the green deal just went to far left, majority of dems are being pulled to far from center.Dems no different then Repubs both have trouble finding a way back to center. Infighting both parties. Winds are shifting fast.
Kennedy Jr – Gabbard 2024?
As I wrote here a month or two ago, if for some strange (and of course illegal) reason DJT is barred from the November election, I’ll vote for RFK Jr just to spite them all.
I disagree. Kennedy will hurt Biden more than he will Trump. That is why they did everything they could to prevent him from winning the Democrat nomination. They KNOW he would inflict damage on Biden.
Here’s an opinion that RFK will sink Biden and Dems are worried.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/robert-kennedys-latest-move-sink-bidens-chances-2024/
Another article thinking RFK will hurt Dems.
https://thelibertydaily.com/dnc-created-their-own-worst-enemy-as-rfk/
I saw a poll that Democrats were more than twice as likely to vote for Kennedy than Republicans. He will hurt the libtard party. There is a reason the CIA tried to recently assasinate him.
Any coincidence between “Q” and the JFK/RFK Arlington Cemetery layout?
Jr. points out, MSDNC, Clinton News Network etc. will not give him ANY airtime,…but Faux DOES.
House Republicans running the “Weoponisation” hearings, didn’t call PDJT (the LOGICAL witness to talk about weoponisation of Gov.!) to testify, instead they called RFK JR.
House Republicans and Faux both do not want PDJT, and are working hard to undermine him, and are lending Jr. their megaphones.
Hannity will have him on probably next week.
Alex Berenson, with the Rogan endorsement of Jr.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/two-more-great-tidbits-from-the-rogan
Alex is happy.
That makes yet another disaffected Dem whose main reason for disaffection is the jabs and who is now happy he found a Dem home with Jr. I’m sure Alex is very relieved he didn’t end up with President Trump being his only available real option. Whew!
Anyone check in on Naomi Wolf?
Maybe the main effort here is to corral the disaffected Dems back into the stable before they all run off and start asking questions about deeper truths?
I always thought RFKJR would siphon off potential Trump voters…. now that he’s decided to run as an independent it will be easier. So sad.
I’m seeing a lot of people who, like you, believe that RFK Jr. would hurt Trump more than Newsom, but I still don’t think the democrats will allow him to run and will make some kind of deal to get him out. Joe Biden Faces Disastrous Defeat if RFK Jr Runs as Third Party Candidate https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-faces-disastrous-defeat-if-rfk-jr-runs-third-party-candidate-1828858
You may be right. To me it’s suspicious RFKJr is making his official announcement 10/9 when the word is already out about his independent run. Perhaps we can look at this as his shot across the bow for the Democrat Party and he hopes to have a week to negotiate a deal with them while they are in panic mode? Would the Dems dump Biden and the Cackler and do a Newsollini/RFKJr ticket?
More polling that RFK Jr. Will help President Trump.
https://discernreport.com/survey-33-of-democrats-to-vote-for-rfk-jr-as-an-independently-dnc-headed-for-panic/
I am Trump all the way. I do think there is a chance Trump will not get the nomination in some scam.
If that happens I would vote Kennedy never the uni party again.
Never a good look to argue with the host, but Sundance I disagree with your math and conclusions. I’m not a shill. I’ve posted here since 2015 as “honoraryintern” and then my own name.
One key question is about RFKjrs ability to push his candidacy to the election. If he stops or pauses like Perot, he will negate all observations below.
Is RFKjr a compromised actor to the point someone can make a call and force him to stop challenging the Dem candidate?
He seems to have a high enough voter recognition and residual assets that he can act on an independent basis and not feel the heat as the establishment tries to blunt his efforts. Family murders, vax challenger are very high risk to uniparty to have those truths exposed. So there will be no direct challenge from Uniparty. I don’t believe he will stop before the election.
So what kind of damage does he do?
I agree the Joe Biden will not be the candidate and Camilla will be sidelined with ethnic vote looking for a home. Gavin “The MASK” Newsome is most the most likely the fill in.
RFKjr seems to be taking advantage of the take no prisoners attitude the Dems have pursued over the last few elections. There are Dems disaffected by the crazies running the party.
My presumption is any division of Democrat votes reduce to pool that Dem “ballots” can be drawn from. This is and unknowable and blunts Dem hyper planning efforts for ballot production.
I’ll work off Sundance’s article:
“My thoughts are the same today as they were when we first discussed RFK Jr.
None of the Lightbringer’s supporters/voters and ballot harvesters are going to support RFK Jr. None of the leftists who follow social media or traditional media influence operations, the sheeple masses, are going to vote for RFK Jr. None of the party Democrats are going to vote for RFK Jr. None of the Gavin Newsom supporters are going to support RFK Jr.”
I’d suggest that the Dem coalition isn’t a monolith with big holes from Bernie Bros and Blue collar confounded about the graft that their party represents. A division is +PDJT.
“So, who will vote for RFK Jr?
ANSWER: Two core groups.
#1) Ron DeSantis supporters. When RdS drops out, his coalition of support, the Never Trump Republicans, will flow to RFK Jr.
#2) Approximately one-third of unregistered, unaffiliated or what we would call “independent” voters. About a third of them.
Independents will fracture into three subsets. Approximately 1/3 supporting Gavin Newsom. Approximately 1/3 supporting Donald Trump. Approximately 1/3 supporting Robert Kennedy Jr.
With DeSantis Republicans and one-third of independent voters, that’s the RFK Jr. coalition.”
The GOPe voted for Hillary and JoeBama. Isn’t it better if their votes are for RFKjr, reducing the total votes for the Dem? Net +PDJT
Bernie Bros and Union Blue collar voters are not sheeple. Small percentage these voted of PDJT. The Kennedy name will draw some but two canidates challenging the uniparty will open the door for Sheeple to look at the reality around them. Remembering the good Trump years will have some sway. Net +PDJT
“Independent” low information voters broke for JoeBama because of the suppression of the Hunter laptop. With two candidates talking about how corrupt the government/Uniparty is I think you get folks to land at Trump’s doorstep, but even split 1/3 Dem, 1/3 RFKjr, 1/3 PDJT it’s an improvement over 2020. Net gain +PDJT
RFKjr seems like an anvil in the Uniparty (D) machine gears. Their coalition is built with having one person to follow.
Once it’s broken how do they get it reconstructed before the election?
Would vote for him over a Rino
I could not agree more. If I was not skeptical of everything and unaware, I would be tempted to vote Kennedy.
This is a really long thread and I do not know if this has been linked before. It is an analysis by Tim Russo of a month ago on RFK, jr and his ability to actually get on the ballot as an independent or is he too late. Ill transcribe a couple of paras then the link
“Dennis Kucinich and I go way, way back, so we occasionally still talk, most recently this April just before Dennis was announced as Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s campaign manager. I told Dennis Bobby’s only realistic route was to run as an independent, with Ross Perot’s 1992 campaign as a template, as I argued here. Well, Dennis and Bobby are learning the hard way I was right about that. Sadly, that ship has sailed, with Bobby himself blowing the wind.
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So what are those alternatives? Well, the independent run is off the table, because Bobby’s last 5 months soiling himself also exposes him to “sore loser” laws at the state level. “Sore loser” laws exist to prevent a candidate who loses a party primary from filing as an independent. This is also why most state deadlines for filing as an independent in the general election are set before primary day. But Bobby can’t just say, yeah, my bad, and then meet the independent candidacy deadlines, as I’m sure Bobby thinks is the solution. It is not.
Bobby’s first filing as an independent will no doubt be immediately challenged, first by denial of the filing by unfriendly secretaries of state, then in court, where Bobby’s road ends. Current federal court precedent holds that state level sore loser laws and independent candidacy filing requirements include a “good faith” standard that a candidate seeking to file as an independent is not affiliated with any political party. This “good faith” standard will look back in time at just how “independent” the filing candidate has ever been. Any independent candidacy would thus necessarily need to overcome Bobby’s lifelong Democratic Party status; difficult but not impossible, since Bobby’s never run for office until now. Sadly, Bobby’s spent the last 5 months prostrating himself before the DNC to get into their primary, thus there ain’t a chance in hell Bobby can meet the “good faith” independent standard in any state. Oopsies.”
https://timrusso.substack.com/p/reality-begins-to-dawn-on-rfk-jr?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
This is a long con. Barack Obama isn’t giving up power. He isn’t walking away from anything. This isn’t “mission accomplished”
Phase 1:
The anti Trump Russian Collision & Ensuing Investigations & Impeachments. We watched this happen on live television. We saw it with our own eyes.
Phase 2:
2018 Election overthrow in California. Trial run for 2020 in conjunction with an artificial “pandemic” to broaden capabilities to overturn key swing States election results. We watched this happen on live television. We saw it with our own eyes.
Phase 3:
Continuation of Phase 1 & 2 with indictments against President Trump & expanded election fraud targeting broadly Republican State Legislatures in an effort to overwhelm 75% of the States with democrat or Uni-Rep’s that will do as they are told. We are watching this happen in real time, right now.
Long con.
At some point, the nature be will shift.
The only way to “save democracy” will be to repeal the provision in the 22 Amendment restricting presidential terms to 2x 4 year terms.
King Obama ascends to “save democracy” & end the threat of Donald Trump and anyone like him ever again.
With the left owning the Federal Elections, he is “unbeatable”.
Pro tip: watch as useful idiot republicans begin to be swept away. They are no longer needed.
They’re going for the Ross Perot play again here. RFK Jr. Sounds just like the man we want and need for ending corruption in the DS, DOJ, Big Pharma, and Big Tech. Much like Perot appealed to conservatives in the ’92 Clinton vs Bush race. He then pulled out at the end and told his followers to vote for Clinton. From that day on, the America we grew up in began to deteriorate. Decorum was abandoned and the Clintonistas usherd in the “continuous campaign”.
Do not fall for the RFK bullshit. He’ll steer into you everything you want to hear and then drop you like a bag of dirt into Gavin’s hopper.
He’s a liberal … but … that’s the face of a man who knows the Democrat Party and the Federal Government they control … murdered his father and uncle … while pretending to adore them … be careful RFK Jr.
There is indeed a “crunchy” faction on the Left that shares the same skepticism as the Right about vaccines, Big Pharma, the COVID response, endless war, and the transgender agenda. IMO, RFK Jr. is the controlled opposition “insurance policy” meant to keep them from even -thinking about- voting for Trump. And if RFK can peel off a few Trump supporters who are disappointed about Trump’s COVID response, then even better for the Deep State. No, these aren’t huge voting blocs, but the Deep State isn’t taking any chances this time around.
Steve Bannon has a whole different take on RFK running as an independent. I have conservative friends who love RFK but they will still vote for Trump for president.
1. There are trillions at stake. Not one single candidate other than Donald Trump has a articulated NATIONAL ECONOMIC policy.
2. Selections not elections. None of the other candidates are committed to election security. They know we know they’re selected.
3. Every one of the other candidates is interviewing with the Deep State. Nikki – Boeing and Youngkin – Wall Street aren’t anything new under the sun. Ron DeSantis whored himself out and now that he’s flopped he’s done. Newsome is the understudy if Joe takes one too many stairs off Air Force 1, everyone knows Kamala is a bridge too far.
4. Joey Bag of Donuts won’t be removed until he is a net negative for the DS and bankers. As Bongino says, it isn’t bad enough yet, although some of the Wall Street types are starting to shout warnings Jerome Powell is going to buy the farm figuratively. There is no way any of the R inquiries are a political or legal threat. Chaff and countermeasures.
If the DS/bankers want someone, they’ll install them. This is what CISA is for.
I’m waiting for Trump to go Independent. The RepubliCONS don’t represent us, either.
The RepubliCON party is not redeemable.
And I thought it was super suspicious for the Republican elites to bring RFK, Jr. to Indianapolis during the Indianapolis 500 weekend. I am so glad I went to that 200 person gathering. The things I have seen has shed whole new light on politics and the maneuvering is incredible.
You know who brought RFK to Indy??? Former Indiana AG Curtis Hill who is vying for the Governorship and a Pastor crony is going for Asst AG and that whole shit lot of them are the biggest fraudsters around. Got it straight from the mouth of someone “in the know”.
If you’re listening to Charlie Kirk – you ARE listening to Deep State. Seen it first-hand watching that lot of people kill off the education of the American people in sound Constitutional teaching. The deep state is a spider web with more twists and turns than you can imagine… but they are all joined at the middle.
We grow more than corn in Indiana – we grow dirty politicians.
I don’t think Newsom has a national appeal. He reminds me of Bloomberg who never got beyond having a regional appeal and he spend 1/2 a billion dollars blowing himself up. What voter in another state wants his state to look like California? Illegals everywhere, homeless encampments everywhere, grab and go shoppers robbing the stores, $6 plus gasoline, outrageous electric bills… when the power is on, crappy forest management with wildfires galore, a broke education system, and taxes to the moon. Did I miss anything?
Okay, I have read enough comments. Crazy as it seems to many people, RFK was never on Trump’s side and never will be. He would never run for President if he supports Trump. Sundance is right about RFK! End of story.
It doesn’t make any difference what party he affiliates with because just like Joe Liebermann and Joe Manchin (plus even Bernie Sanders) who previously considered themselves as moderates and voices of reason, at the end of the day they have and always will caucus with the Democrats and pretty much vote down party lines especially against anything related to MAGA policies/priorities. Basically, RFK Jr.’s purpose is the same as DeSantis and other current/future RNC/DNC POTUS candidate losers which is to destroy DJT and eliminate MAGA as a political force on behalf of the uni-party/globalists. There is just no getting around that basic truth.
Think they’ll run a near miss assassination attempt op on RFK Jr. in order to garner sympathy/support/publicity for a new tragic hero Kennedy figure?
A tell for an Op would be RFK switching to support 2A to pull MAGA votes.
Bernie to Trump voter here. First – not sure Sundance is implying that RFK is a deep state operative or useful idiot, but I’d say if anything it’s the latter.
I’d also say it’s a big stretch to say the gambit would work. I’m around NPR liberals all the time – and many of them are over it. They enthusiastically went along with Covid BS and even the twisted logic of getting behind Biden. But even these deluded slobs are starting to see farce. They’re confused and exhausted.
So let’s say both parties have a growing “anti-establishment” flank …. the first wave of those on the left already moved to Trump. We aren’t going back, even if only for the pragmatic reason that we’d see voting for RFK as a throwaway vote and stick with Trump. I think RDS voters would feel the same … after all, RFK is still a lefty. I don’t see anyone on the right going for the left anti-establishment guy instead of the right anti-establishment guy.
In short, there aren’t a lot of squishy Trump voters. He’ll get the conservative right and the anti-establishment right and the libs who’ve caught on post-2016. I think RFK will get the typical small sliver of lefties who vote 3rd party, plus perhaps a larger-than-normal protest vote from the left, made up of dems that just can’t yet bring themselves to vote Trump (who otherwise would have stayed home). But remember, many of us learned after 2016 and moved to Trump, and really I don’t think we’re going back. Not to vote 3rd party.
Now, if somehow Trump is off the ballot …. all bets are off. Barring a new unforeseen R candidate, I’d then vote RFK, and I do wonder what the anti-establishment right would do.
Someone should ask RFKJ if he would prefer a Newsom or Trump presidency, just to get it on the record.