Gee, who woulda thunk? A couple of data points to highlight the construct of something we have predicted for a year. Those who control the illusion of choice within each club, RNC and DNC, have always looked to be constructing a 2024 outcome where Gavin Newsom competes against Ron DeSantis.
First, California Democrat Governor Gavin Newsom has recently set up a Political Action Committee (PAC) and a Super PAC that would seemingly support the perspective of his presidential ambitions.
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Gov. Gavin Newsom is taking fundraising steps often used by potential presidential candidates, setting up multiple committees that in their first three months have raised and spent millions of dollars.
The three Newsom-affiliated committees are a political action committee, which limits contributions to $5,000 a year and can donate to individual candidates; a SuperPAC, which can raise unlimited amounts of cash but is restricted from promoting a specific candidate, and a joint fundraising committee, which functions like a bank, mostly collecting and distributing funds to the other groups. (more)
One day later, Ron DeSantis announces on the Moudoch news channel, using the mockingbird broadcaster, that he is willing to debate Gavin Newsom this November. Notice the states, and you will easily be able to guess which one will be selected for the venue.
(Via Politico) – Govs. Ron DeSantis and Gavin Newsom have tentatively agreed to debate — one hosted by Fox News.
The Florida Republican and California Democrat have repeatedly sparred over policies in their respective states, each representing one side of the ideological spectrum though occupying different political perches. DeSantis, a Republican, is trailing former President Donald Trump for the Republican presidential nomination while Newsom, a Democrat, has brushed aside questions about his own presidential ambitions to become a super surrogate of sorts for President Joe Biden.
A showdown between the two seemed unlikely as DeSantis ramped up his presidential campaign. But Newsom still has spent months trying to entice his counterpart into joining him on a stage.
On Wednesday, DeSantis agreed, telling Fox News’ Sean Hannity: “Absolutely I’m game. Just tell me when and where.”
An aide to Newsom told POLITICO that the governor was also in. Newsom’s office had sent a formal request offer to Fox News last week with proposed debate dates of Nov. 8 or Nov. 10. That request called for Hannity to serve as the sole moderator for a 90-minute forum on Fox News that would not include an in-studio audience and would air live.
[…] In his letter, Newsom’s office proposed three separate debate sights: Nevada, Georgia or North Carolina. (more)
Those who control the illusion of choice have to proceed with the planning as if the objective to remove candidate Donald Trump will succeed.
That sets up Joe Biden to announce withdrawal due to medical issues.
The state they will choose for this GN -v- RD debate venue is easy, Georgia.
Nothing is a coincidence.
Throughout our analysis of the preferred ’24 outcome by those in the background who ultimately seek to control elections through the activity of front men, those artfully skilled at presenting the illusion of choice, it has always looked like the RNC/DNC preferred presentation was a Ron DeSantis -v- Gavin Newsom (win/win) contest.
The landscape of the ’24 election would then be reduced to “social issues” as distinctions between the two faces of the contest, while the economics of things – the substantive part – carries a far lesser contrast. An almost identical replay to the attempted 2016 construct of Hillary -v- Jeb.
In 2016, the RNC/DNC corporations wanted a Hillary v Jeb matchup. That was the outcome of both corporate intents, and all processes were deployed to create that outcome. For 2024, it became obvious last year the corporations wanted a Newsom v DeSantis contest. In that matchup the people who control the financial mechanisms can maintain their status quo. The billionaire funders for DeSantis, RGA/RNC would be quite okay with a Newsom outcome.
Donald Trump (actually running as a third-party candidate) will win the nomination and the general election for the presidency of the United States so this debate seems superfluous. Unless you see this as a trial run debate and campaign event for 2028.
With RFK Jr. as VP
No. RFK Jr is an authoritarian green new deal fanatic with far left plans for handling crime, re-education of police and the whole leftie ball of wax.
He believes anyone (for example President Trump or Trump supporters) who denies climate change and supports fossil fuels is a traitor that he’d like to jail. Furthermore, RFK Jr has laif out his plan to shut down any companies that endanger the climate.
We need to spend at least as much time vetting VP candidates as we’d spend researching our vacation plans or a car purchase.
http://www.kennedy24.com
https://reason.com/2023/04/28/the-very-strange-new-respect-for-authoritarian-democrat-robert-f-kennedy-jr/
https://www.climatedepot.com/2014/09/21/robert-f-kennedy-jr-wants-to-jail-his-political-opponents-accuses-koch-brothers-of-treason-they-ought-to-be-serving-time-for-it/
https://heartland.org/opinion/climate-change-deniers-should-be-jailed-rfk-jr/
That’s BS. Bobby says that he is a capitalist and believes in the free market.
Yes, he believes we need to get off of fossil fuels but NOT by force and not with no alternative.
As Trump’s VP, Boddy wouldn’t be controlling that policy anyway… but Bobby WOULD be bringing a lot of DEMS with him… and that is important to UNIFY the country which IS something that Bobby has said is very important.
Trump and RFK Jr… do agree on 85%+ issues and Trump has spoken highly of Bobby too. AND, it’s TRUMP’S decision… who he chooses as his VP.
One reason I like a Trump/Bobby ticket is because it CREATES a real and patriotic UNIPARTY to ….save the Republic instead of the uniparty we HAVE destroying the Republic.
Wrong, it isn’t Trump’s decision on VP. The club picks the VP candidate. At this time they don’t think Trump will be the nominee. Wrong again
It’s not BS. What he says now and his actions are two separate things
Tell Bobby boy to walk away from the corrupt Democrat party and run as an independent.
A DemonRat is a DemonRat is a DemonRat.
Agreed. I have listened to a LOT of RFK Jr… interviews and he and Trump agree 85-90% on most issues and so do I agree with RFK on most issues, not all.
There are some … tricky Dem issues that Bobby has said… he needs to research more but that’s OK… and understandable and a few ARE complicated legally re: other positions he has taken.
In RFK JR’s own words:
” Just to quell any speculation, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES will I join Donald Trump on an electoral ticket,” Kennedy, who announced his presidential bid last month, said on social media.
“Our positions on certain fundamental issues, our approaches to governance, and our philosophies of leadership could not be further apart,” he added”
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/05/10/rfk-jr-makes-it-clear-under-no-circumstances-would-i-join-donald-trump-on-a-2024-ticket/
Maybe… but Bobby is running as a DEM for Potus now… and he has been accused of being MAGA and a proponent of Trump… so he would need to say he opposes Trump. And, he can always change his mind later… but it’s up to TRUMP who he selects as VP. We don’t need to get apoplectic about it. LET Trump decide if you trust Trump.
Personally, I think a Trump/Bobby ticket is a winning ticket and a potentially national unifying ticket bc I DO think a combined R/Dem ticket is needed to clean-up DC.
It will unite Americans better than if it’s just Rs doing it. As a combined R/Dem effort we, as a nation, have a better chance of restoring our Republic and that IS the stated objective of both Trump and Bobby… but not other candidates on either side of the isle.
Maybe? Damn, you are a bigger ass🤡that I realized.
He’s a politician. Thus…liar
That solves that problem.
We have no Rights, without the Right to live, a simple fact that those who are born (everyone) should reflect on. JFK Jr. is on the wrong side of the most fundamental issue, killing babies.
Why on Earth would conservative gun owners want a VP who desires to dismantle the 2nd Amendment?
But, but, but He’s a Kennedy! Swoons.
Why? He’s a Leftist shitbag like all the other God damned Kennedys. He’s also a Globalist & an Environmental mental defective to the Left of even John Kerry, who also think’s he’s a Kennedy.
More idol worship.
👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎 Enough of the promoting of Bobby Jr. Just playing on the nostalgia of the Kennedy name.
Before that.
DeSantis has already lost his luster … and Newsome is a known totalitarian extremist/ leftist.
DeSantis is viewed by the left as an extremist totalitarian right-winger too… and as a traitor globalist by most Trump supporters.
As an ex-Californian ex-San Franciscan who followed politics there when Newsom was mayor I can confidently say that he is a political chameleon who has no central ideological agenda or moral core. He wasn’t a left wing nut case back in the early days of his political rise when he was married to Kimberley Guillfoyle. His ideology fits whatever need he has for career advancement. If he grew up in a Republican state like here in Idaho he’d be a RINO governor. He wasn’t a good supervisor, mayor or governor so of course he’s the Dems preferred choice for presidential puppet. Thank Willie Brown for appointing him supervisor.
I watched him with Trump and California’s last governor during their severe wildfires at the time.
He appeared to be a empty suit lacking in the intelligence to leas through a serious crisis. But, he looked pretty as he was incapable of focusing on the severe problems they were dealing with at the time.
It’s actually very sad what our government is. You really don’t need to be good at anything.
I hate it for our future.
And Trump will mop the floor with both of them and the feckless Neocon Globalist GOP
“the fact or convention of presenting staged performances as genuine or authentic.”
ha ha I can’t wait, if this happens I’ll call it “The FOX news, reach around”
What a choice!
Or, as Sundance would say, “An Illusion of Choice” =
pick one who will bring his skill set to bear on the nation as a whole, so he can do for America what he has done for :
A. California
B. Florida
No thank you to either of the above!
Does it really make sense to disparage all the people of these two states as if they couldn’t possibly have good conservatives there? Might I remind you of the state where the host of this site resides.
Lighten up, Francis.
Two losers that have ruined their states.
Not interested in these two Deep State operatives.
Here’s my, I think, very plausible scenario:
Unless MAGA takes scenarios like this one seriously and develops effective counterstrategies, it WILL lose.
Wrong, the only thing that will decide this election is the 6 states the Dems will use again to steal it. Nothing has been fixed in those states to change the electoral college vote totals
Artaxes: Your scenario is sound. I would make one suggestion w/rt Kamala. It’s this: DiFi will be “convinced” to resign her Senate seat due to age/health. Gavin Newsome will offer the seat to Kamala, which he has the power to do. She will be “convinced” to accept. The Dems will make up a plausible reason for her acceptance: family, loves California, etc. With Kamala appointed to fill Di FI’s seat, the Vice Presidency will be open. Gavin Newsome will be nominated and confirmed, making for a smooth transition to the 2024 campaign for the Dems — Easy. they do this stuff all the time. Also, it solves the Dems Kamala problem for them.
How to thwart this? President Trump should put together a debate against RFKjr on the same night. Have it hosted on one of the various other platforms. Might be a good time for another network to regain some of the market share or something.. Just a thought.
A good concept, but no need to rush it. Let the Meatball fall flat first. Same with Newsom. They will likely help Trump all by themselves.
If there is no in-studio audience at the debates, then why would it matter where they are held?
DeSantis is irrelevant at this point and I don’t know why people are still talking about him.
Newsom, the most likely Dim prez candidate is a very clever liar, youngish, and semi-attractive who is the ideal candidate for zero-actual-information voters called Dimocrats.
Even IF he’d bother to have a debate with Trump, he could easily bald-face lie his way all the way through it and in Dim minds be the winner.
Please could someone help me out here, Why is Desantis sticking his nose into any debates He is running second or third and has nothing to offer anyone. so why is he being asked to Debate Newsum and why would any one want to listen to anything that creep had to say.
Why first of all can they cut President Trump out of Debating Newsum or kennedy so please tell me why they are setting this up to look like Desantis is going to be the Republican nominee …
Because he is. You have no say in the matter. The two clubs have chosen there candidates and Trumps going to jail.
Let’s face facts. The American people have lost because we’re all a bunch of cowards.
I honestly do not believe this little cooked up “debate” will cause President Trump any discomfort. “Let the kiddies play…”
YEP, the Hunter/Brandon stuff now being ALLOWED is intended by the eDims to force Brandon out of the 2024 race to be replaced by younger, slick, semi-attractive, clever pathological liar Newsom.
The eReps who’d rather have a Dim win in 2024 than Trump are possibly also willing participants.
Matthew Yglesias
@mattyglesias
I’m a very literal-minded person but I don’t understand the idea of a guy currently losing the race for the GOP presidential nomination debating a Democrat who isn’t running.
4:43 PM · Aug 3, 2023
If Hannity is the host, will either get a chance to speak, other than to nod and agree? Monty Python could do this one.
Same ugly hair grease.yuck!
So true.
Meatball vs Greaseball.
Hard to say who’s worse at this point: Pence or DeSanctus. Pence was a better gov than DeSanctus, but didn’t have the UniParty machine behind him. Although Pence betrayed Trump on Jan 6, DeSanctus is selling out the MAGA base to the globalists and is destroying Florida.