There is a major issue within the use of the FISA-702 authority that must be immediately understood. A silo problem that is not being discussed within Congress as the potential for FISA-702 reauthorization is looming.
I’m setting aside my opinion of the entire process in order to just outline the facts as they appear. I am not in support of any of this FISA process; nor do I support the baseline premise of the NSA database capturing the private electronic communication of Americans, which I do not believe is legislatively authorized to exist.
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) recently released the 2023 FISC opinion on FISA-702 activity as reported by the NSA, FBI and to a lesser extent CIA and NCTC [REPORT HERE].
In this report, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) is reviewing legal compliance by the NSA and FBI in accessing the NSA database that houses the private electronic records, metadata, of every American. This is the core of the FISA-702 authorization, where 702 indicates an American citizen protected from illegal searches and seizures by the Fourth Amendment.
The NSA database contains the private electronic data (metadata) of every single American – including emails, text messages, social media posts, instant messages, direct messages, phone calls, geolocation identifiers, purchases by electronic funds, banking records and any keystroke any American person puts into any electronic device for any reason. [A big issue here is the use of Two-Factor Authentication (2FA) but that’s for a different article.]
The 2023 FISC report reviews the action of the FBI and NSA to ensure compliance with rules and restrictions in the search of this database.
The NSA and FBI report violations of the process to the FISA Court; this is somewhat of an honor system. You may have heard FBI Director Christopher Wray recently saying they have reduced the number of unauthorized searches of this database by 80%. The FBI has presumably tightened up the rules and restrictions on who and how this database can be searched.
The ODNI release only covers the compliance of the NSA and FBI (and the CIA and NCTC) to the FISA-702 rules. The CIA and NCTC are foreign mission authority only, therefore they should never even be involved in searching American citizens.
FISA-702 is not supposed to apply to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and/or National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), because they are not supposed to be looking at American citizen data directly. If the CIA or NCTC want to search the database for records of Americans, they are supposed to turn over their predicate intelligence (a foreign subject in contact with an American citizen, so they want depth on the American citizen) for determination by the FBI or NSA, who then conduct the search. At least that’s the way it’s supposed to work.
The FISC review covers the results of the NSA and FBI as reported to the FISA Court. The congressional oversight process looks at this FISC review as part of the reauthorization process. The FISC report is legislatively required to be conducted and released as part of this compliance review prior to Congress considering reauthorization. Congress may legislatively change the 702 rules prior to reauthorization or negate the 702 authorities completely, by not reauthorizing it.
Congress (House and Senate) weighs the FISC review heavily.
Here’s the issue. There are exponentially more violations taking place than are contained in the reporting from the NSA and FBI to the FISA Court. The FISC is only seeing one small part of the overall compliance picture. There are way more violations taking place than the court is aware of.
This is a silo issue, where the court is isolated in a silo without receiving information from the Dept of Justice (another silo). How do we know this?
Because the Dept of Justice Office of Inspector General (DOJ-OIG) reviews the entire U.S. government as part of the new, Trump initiated, OIG oversight of the DOJ National Security Division (DOJ-NSD).
Inspector General Michael Horowitz doesn’t just look at the FBI or NSA using the database; the OIG looks at the entire government and who has access to this NSA database to perform searches. There is a massive disparity between the number of unauthorized searches conducted and self-reported by the NSA and FBI silos, when compared to the whole of government. The FISA Court only hears about the NSA/FBI violations, not the unauthorized searches conducted outside the NSA/FBI by people who have access to this database.
How big is the disparity? HUGE!
Office of Inspector General Michael Horowitz testified April 27, 2023, that more than 3.4 million search queries into the NSA database took place between Dec. 1st, 2020 and Nov. 30th, 2021, by government officials and/or contractors working on behalf of the federal government. These search queries were based on authorizations related to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
Within his congressional testimony, OIG Horowitz stated, “Approximately 30% of those 3.4 million search queries were noncompliant,” that is outside the rules and regulations that govern warrantless searches. The government calls these “non-compliant searches.” Additionally, IG Horowitz also stated that somewhere north of “10,000 federal employees have access to conduct these searches of the NSA database.”
While DOJ-OIG Horowitz is looking at the entire government, he reports these violations only into the silo of the Dept of Justice. Horowitz does not report his findings to the FISA Court. The violations by Horowitz, in this example over a million illegal or “noncompliant” searches, is reported internally to the DOJ (Main Justice). The DOJ (an information silo) does not turn these findings over to the FISA Court (another information silo).
As a result, the FISC opinion of the database compliance audit is only reached with a limited perspective on the totality of the violations taking place within government.
As a result, the FISC report does not contain discussion of the violations discovered by IG Horowitz.
As a result, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) and Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) do not debate the FISA-702 reauthorization with the fulsome scale of the jaw dropping abuse of the database outlined by IG Michael Horowitz. FISA-702 reauthorization is debated in congress based on the 2023 FISC report which does not include the Horowitz review.
The 2023 FISC report is a compliance review of a very limited subset of database search queries, and only includes those done by the NSA and FBI.
Why is this only just now coming to light?
Simple answer, despite the DOJ National Security Department creation in the first year of President Obama’s term (2009 by AG Eric Holder), the Inspector General was never permitted oversight.
Despite his requests, the IG office was blocked by the DOJ-NSD for the entire Obama term in office. In 2015 the OIG again requested oversight, and it was Sally Yates who responded with a lengthy 58-page legal explanation saying essentially, ‘nope – not allowed.’ (PDF HERE) All of the DOJ is subject to oversight – except the NSD. The claimed justification was “national security,” and the information was too sensitive.
It was not until 2017, when President Trump and AG Jeff Sessions took office, that IG Michael Horowitz was granted oversight into the DOJ-NSD. With this oversight authority Horowitz first started his review of the FISA application used against Carter Page (2017/2018). Then, using the problems discovered within the Page FISA application, the IG expanded the review to the entire FISA application process in the entire DOJ (2019). The initial review of the process was horrible {SEE HERE} resulting in a major report of criticism [SEE HERE] in late 2021.
From there, in late 2021 IG Horowitz began the very first compliance review, outside of the limitations of the NSA/FBI self-reporting, and looked at the totality of the FISA-702 process as it was used to access the database from December 2020 to December 2021. His first full report was generated only a few months ago, and the IG testified to Congress. [LINK]
None of the FISA-702 reauthorizations, that have taken place between origination to today, have ever included a review of the entire government access, until Horowitz testified in late April.
More than 3.4 million search queries into the NSA database took place between Dec. 1st, 2020, and Nov. 30th, 2021, by government officials and/or contractors working on behalf of the federal government. This number is much, much larger than the search queries produced by NSA/FBI review to the FISA Court.
Additionally, as noted by IG Horowitz around 10,000 federal employees have access to conduct these searches of the NSA database, and his review of the searches revealed that 30% of them, that’s over a million, were noncompliant.
ACTION: At the very least, we immediately need to contact our congressional representatives and senators and inform them the FISA-702 reauthorization cannot be appropriately debated, considered or reviewed, without the FISA Court first receiving the information from the DOJ Inspector General review of the FISA-702 process. No FISC opinion is worth anything when it is based on a minimal subset of the actual violations that factually take place. This is at a minimum!
The FISC silo must receive the violation information from the silo at the DOJ.
I’ll have more on this, but for now this point is super important.
Thank you, Sundance!
The mainstream press is just discovering that the FISA Court gets mis-used … some eight years after it was mis-used against Presidential candidate Donald Trump
FBI Wrongfully Searched Foreign-Spying Database For Information About US Senator, State Judge
You’d think they’d be worried about themselves (the senators etc.) — but maybe they’ve all already been searched and bribed? Who knows. It gets fishier and fishier as each day dawns!
Or threatened and then coerced.
The cynic in me says they will vote the way the guy from the IC who showed up at their office with a folder that had their name on it tells them to vote.
The optimist in me will still write, even though I’m in a blue state. I’ll do it so my Senators and Reps can’t deny knowing about the problem.
You’d think at least some of these NEWS people would also be worried about gubmint grabbing and stockpiling so much personal information and screaming about THAT in Primetime, instead of all the kneejerk-spewing hate for DT 24/7.
Do you really want to give them credit for having sense enough to get out of the rain?
If you think the prime timers are thick, watch and read your local news for 2 weeks.
I would think the media would be more concerned. Any guest on a pundit show that is currently being surveilled via a FISA warrant, immediately ensnares the media host and production crew because of the two-hop rule. And that would be everyone from the makeup department to the stage.
The FBI could quickly infect every news room in DC and New York with multiple FISA warrants. Have all kinds of information – drug habits, sex habits etc … – that could be used for blackmail.
And that’s just the first hop. A lot of the media people have ties back to the political or financial world. Erin Burnett’s husband is David Rubulotta. He’s an executive with CitiGroup. You think the FBI would like to know what he’s talking about all day at work?
It’s a 🐛 big club and all of us are in it whether we like it or not. Club Surveill ,with perks such as leverage, bribes and blackmail. Membership is terminated only upon death….Some exceptions are made in death, such as scapegoat or reappropiation of blame.
Praying that members of Congress will take a giant leap of faith in doing what is right and begin to dismantle the entire structure, beginning with this.
A real example of a “Profile in Courage” . . . if that isn’t totally a bygone thing . . . maybe it is all BS, like George H W Bush and his “thousand points of light” (lighting the way to the New World Order, with all those kinder, gentler folks with their manufactured wars).
Most of the members of Congress are corrupt, bribed or blackmailed.
They send billions to fund a war in Ukraine despite a social collapse here at home.
The three decent people in Congress tried to stop Biden from sending banned cluster munitions to Ukraine and they couldn’t even get the votes for that! Not even close!
There is no chance they will stop the FISA reauthorization. People have been trying to get the Patriot act repealed for 20 years!
Let’s stop pretending that we have a political process. Where are the arrests for Crossfire Hurricane? Never gonna happen via the political process. They have completely infiltrated the DOJ.
The Biden administration is preparing to ban portable GAS GENERATORS for Pete’s sake. They want you totally reliant on them.
These people are criminals.
The government has been taken over by cunning and dangerous sociopaths.
The sooner we acknowledge reality the better off we will be.
well, you do sum it all up rather well. and it is along the lines of what I think of this whole mess.
funny how no one talks about Obama getting 2, 2500 gallon propane tanks installed in one of his homes ?
you don’t need that much for cooking and heating. no. those tanks are to power a propane generator.
and we are way past voting our way out of this mess. you people really think they going to have/hold another
election ? grow up. they have gotten away with every illegal act they have done in the last 10 years easy.
why stop now ? who is going to stop them ?
No they haven’t. Trump kicked their ass and beat the steal in 2016. He made America Great Again every single day he was in office, despite all of their plots against him. He beat them when they tried to impeach and remove him.
We are working on the precinct strategy and have won battles to get voter rolls cleaned up.
To quote the inevitable GOP 2024 nominee:
‘There is no mountain we cannot climb.
There is no summit we cannot reach.
There is no challenge we cannot beat.
There is no victory we cannot have.
We will not bend, we will not break, we will not yield.
We will never give in.
We will never give up.
We will never, ever, ever back down.
As long as we are confident and united, the tyrants we are fighting do not stand even a small chance of victory. “
And to quote Sundance, “there are more of us, than there are of them.”
And, “Live your best life.” Yes, that’s the best revenge!
Wow. You are really living up to your name!
Amen!
60 years!
The only thing they won’t ban are contributions to ActBlue!
I was just thinking as I read your comment……the most corrupt entity in the entire U.S.A. is the government which includes congress and everything else located in DC.
As far as I can tell there are at least 10-15 repubs that will vote with the marxists. It will get re authorized after some kabuki…..It’s for our national security don’t you know.
Don’t count on it.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/01/fisa-702-reauthorization-scheduled-for-this-year-heres-why-it-must-be-opposed/#more-246210
“Additionally, IG Horowitz also admitted that somewhere north of 10,000 federal employees have access to conduct these searches of the NSA database; a database which contains the electronic data of every single American, including emails, text messages, social media posts, instant messages, direct messages, phone calls, geolocation identifiers, purchases by electronic funds, banking records and any keystroke any American person puts into any electronic device for any reason.
❗If we were in a functioning system of government everything would be stopped right now, and no conversation would be taking place that was not about this issue. This is the total and complete surveillance state being talked about as if we were discussing what’s for dinner.❗
This is beyond jaw-dropping.
Context: In 2018 CTH revealed through research of their own documents that FBI and DOJ/FBI contractors had done more than 1,000 illegal searches using the NSA database, targeting Republican primary candidates from November 2015 through May 2016. These stunning admissions were from the DOJ’s own reporting to the FISA court.
Few were paying attention.”
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~ Sundance
“And we caught them all.”
Can anyone name for me the last honest AG or FBI director? And I am not sure the latter ever existed.
What good would catching their fellow crooks do? Would any be prosecuted? Have any been prosecuted?
Believe it or not.
Jeff Sessions. To date he has never taken a dime of any money that came out of Washington except his salary.
Your first question: NO
Maybe the pre-Hoover directors ( https://www.fbi.gov/history/directors ).
William Sessions (no relation to Jeff) did start an investigation of DOJ corruption that included an Iraqi bank. President GHW Bush and AG Bill Barr immediately started an ethics investigation into Sessions for the purpose of forcing him out. Clinton finished the task. But Sessions was also director during Ruby Ridge and Waco.
My impression is that Hoover was the 1st director-1935
For what we now think of as the F.B.I.
The organization – an investigative agency for the DOJ; basically federal police – came about in 1908.
Fair enough. Did they have a director or just work for the DOJ attorneys?
Didn’t know that.
I thought they used US Marshals prior Hoover.
DOJ used to use agents from other departments – mostly Secret Servcie – or private detectives like Pinkerton. By the early 1900’s it was too inefficient to operate that way so DOJ was authorized to hire some of their own detectives; mostly ex-Secret Service agents. The Chief Examiner was the person in charge.
Office of the Chief Examiner was renamed the Bureau of Investigation in 1909 and Chief Examiner title became Director Bureau of Invesstigation. In 1935 it became the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Brought into existence by an Executive Order issued by Theodore Roosevelt.
J Edgar Hoover 😀
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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/01/fisa-702-reauthorization-scheduled-for-this-year-heres-why-it-must-be-opposed/#more-246210
“The background context here is congress debating the renewal of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and the power of the DOJ and FBI to intercept American citizen communication and electronic data via the “702” authorizations, that permit the NSA database to be searched and queried.
❗If the inspector general is now admitting the FISA laws have been so comprehensively corrupted such that 3.4 million searches by more than 10,000 federal employees and government contractors now have access, there is no way that any reasonably intelligent person should support such reauthorization. Even contemplating this request is absurd, beyond absurd.
The United States government is admitting to the public that a total and comprehensive surveillance state is currently in place, and 10,000 federal government agents have the authorization to monitor everything we do.❗
This is the admitted and current status of RIGHT NOW. Yet people are worried about possible ‘vaccination passports’ or ‘digital currencies’ or ‘social credit scores’ sometime in the future?
Have we totally lost connection to the reality of our current condition?
Can you see the insanity of it?… Or should we just ask, “what’s for dinner?””
I’m pretty sure I and millions of others are more than capable of worrying about all of those things…and more.
But you go ahead and focus on only one thing and ignore the rest. That’ll fix it for sure!
That 10,000 number of federal employees with access?
Exactly how many federal employees in DOJ,FBI with a DOMESTIC legal purview are there?
There should be numerous federal employees within DOJ/FBI whose day to day duties have nothing to do with access.
Who has access? That number seems incredibly high and if it is actual then that number seems incredibly unnecessary!
AND from those 10,000 they contact 10,000 with the info, AND those 20,000 contact another 20,000………….see where this is going, talk about a ponzi scheme; you don’t believe there is money involved, do you?? OR is it just a rumor mill?? The stuff ‘conspiracy theories’ are made of; product of the OSS ‘conspiracy theories’ start and end ALL wars……..
Oh, the government must govern, ergo, they need this information for your ‘safety’; everything being ‘done’ in the world today is for your ‘safety’, the NWO is coming into existence for that very reason -safety-……………AND they call it ‘patriotic’, you can’t make this shite up.
How do you decrease the population by millions quickly and safely; look into history all the answers are there……nothing new, especially not the NWO…..
The info is most likely being sold to anyone meeting the asking price.
We should have a list of names as to who has access and the number of times they have used the queries and from which department/office.
10,000 is all agencies and ‘contractors.’
The question about that is, why are other agencies using it, and why do private contractors have access?
That is the alarming part of the 10,000.
Funny how the concern about agencies needing to better communicate with each other was stated by GWB.
Then, Obamboozler opened up access to -how many agencies
JUST before
moving down the street.
Reread SD’s post. IG Horowitz stated “Additionally, IG Horowitz also stated that somewhere north of “10,000 federal employees have access to conduct these searches of the NSA database.”
Every breath you take
Every move you make
They will be watching you
Every single day
Every word you say
They will be watching you
Oh, cant you see
They want you all to belong to their collective sheeple we
To control all your life how their hearts do ache
With every step you take
They want to be controlling you
Yep that for sure with fednow starting last week.
Here’s the good news…
If they have ALL of our info, then they can’t pretend not to have ALL their info too. I am thinking specifically of those 33,000 emails Hilary “deleted’ with Bleach Bit or the server she wiped “With a cloth”.
It’s a double-edged sword. Carter Page brought this to our attention when they asked him to provide info. He said, “You should already have it.” That was a big “touche” for him.
Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.
Says someone who worked on Intel.
Says someone who worked IN Intel. Fixed in.
Yes, Carter Page would know based on his work in Intel. Same with George PapaD.
I think they were both about to be cut loose and hung out to dry by Intel and they foiled it.
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Still wondering the cost/ benefit of this boondoggle.
Just retention, maintenance, and management of all that data requires a tremendous amount of resources.
What benefits are gleaned from this massive overreach that provide tangible results of our ‘national security’?
That doesn’t even begin to ask why all that data needs to be ‘classified’ such that, we the people, get no clues as to what it is they are trying to ‘discover’ about any one individual.
Hey, spooks. There is a civilized way to get information: ask direct questions instead of hiding your face behind the self-importance you think your job gives you . . .
This…👇…
There are two basic issues in this discussion. One is the legalities associated with the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Security Act 1978) and the FISC (Foreign Intelligence Security Court).
The second is the more fundamental issue of what constitutes private communications. It is in this area where I believe we have misplaced expectations when we communicate electronically through the ether (cell phone, computer, etc.). It doesn’t matter if we use encryption, VPNs, or any other technical means, the ether belongs to no one and the signals passing through it from antenna to antenna, from cell tower to cell tower, etc., are open for collection. Anyone, foreign or domestic, with the time and right equipment can intercept what’s being sent. This is what NSA, GCHQ, and similar agencies in a host of countries worldwide do 24/7 each and every day: their systems are like giant vacuum cleaners collecting everything passing through the ether; although even with the most sophisticated data-mining programs the quality processing of that quantity of collection is problematic. There used to be a slogan around NSA HQ at Ft Meade that said, “The Third Man Is Listening”. It served as a reminder to everyone in the building there is no privacy when communicating electronically; expect other ears to be in on your communications.
Just sent messages to my reps, but living in WA, I doubt I’ll get anything but canned responses from their staff.
Very good article. Have you considered emailing your articles and research to President Trump’s Office? I’m sure he would appreciate the intelligent way you bring things together, in a way that’s clear to understand.
What makes you think he doesn’t already know being the biggest victim ever?
Too bad they just don’t use FISA and NSA data bases to ONLY monitor muslim immigrants… just like Mr. Mohamed Barakat, who came here under Obama from Syria in 2012 and gained citizenship in 2019 ….. so he could do internet searches on mass murders and upcoming public events in Fargo, ND and stockpile his several guns, ammo, and a grenade to he could ambush Fargo cops and kill a rookie and seriously wound 2 more and also an innocent lady bystander last week. The local police say they have “NO IDEA” why lil’ Mohamed would want to harm the citizens of this country to welcomed him!!! Heck, although Fargo is a small town, the US Government airlifted a ton of Somalis and arabs there under Obama and the Lutheran charities so now the town is 10% “cultural enrichers”. They had a mass murder a few years ago at a Fargo mall by another “enricher”. Do you think any of the 100,000 Afghans flown out of Kabul airport are on that database?
My dream is to hear the sound of government’s main NSA computer when it puts all the innocent, warrantless personal database files of American citizens in the “Garbage Can” tab at the bottom of the screen! That grinding sound would last a whole year!
We just need one emp over that data center.
Over each one!
The idea that congress would do something correct is preposterous.
Our rogue government knows deep down that domestic enemies are their number one enemy. They must have this FISA surveillance to help identify resistance and snuff it out before it spreads. Look what they did to Candidate and President Trump for example, and imagine what abuses they did on the J6 prisoners. The only way to completely gain total control and achieve the agenda goals is to take away our rights, debunk the constitution and disarm the populace. Our government is out of control, completely unaccountable and violating their constitutional oaths at every level.
https://freebeacon.com/politics/maxine-waters-describes-the-impact-of-the-ofa-database/
Yeah, I remember that!
Thanks Sundance. Contacted my Rep.
Why not simply eliminate warrantless searches? Over a million unauthorized searches is serious ground. How would the Biden administration feel if these searches were done on the Biden family, the Garland family, the Schumers, the Schiffs, the Swallwells, the Goldmans, the Clintons, the Podestas, the Obamas, the Holders, the Lynches, the Rices, the Monacos, the Smiths, the Braggs, the Willises, etc? How about searches on every Democrat ballot harvester or election official? The outrage would be far more significant that the outcry over the Dobbs decision!
Thank you Sundance. You have a deeper understanding of the underground tunnels of the Swamp than anyone. You were also the first to expose the naivty and ignorance of so many in Congress as to how the 4th branch of guv-meant works.
I wrote to my representative. I filled out all of the required fields and then hit “submit” — and the page was still up, no message saying the submission was completed. I tried a couple of more times — still unsure as to whether he actually got the email. I will attempt to call tomorrow.
Something seems fishy to me, but maybe it’s just crappy capacity to send to his account.
So I need to call John Fetterman about this?!
Yes!
People are always saying that they want to do something to help but don’t know what to do.
Many of us have limited time, money, physical abilities etc….but WE ALL CAN make phone calls and send emails.
Call and email your reps and senators—-even if they are the worst RINO or the most evil Democrat.
Overwhelm the phone lines and email inboxes and office staff. Be polite and courteous no matter how odious the person you are contacting is.
If you are on social media, make this article/issue trend.
If you listen to talk radio, consider calling in.
You might need to call that particular Senator many times before your message gets through. 😉
Yes. In the case of Fetterman, Feinstein, Mitch etc you can bet the staff is doing all the work and the staff handles communications (haha) with their constituents.
So yes, the decision makers will still receive it.
The 95,95,95
This will be renewed because each side wants to use it when they are in power.
The 4th Branch of government that controls the other 3 doesn’t want to lose the power either.
Thank you, Sundance for all this information.
If they collect the data or digitize it, it will most likely be abused.
Data collection and especially that performed while receiving K-12 mandatory education is violating our privacy, even in our homes on our devices where students are essentially required to access these applications to receive and submit homework with midnight deadlines and can be monitored by Gaggle and AI if your school district is using it.
Regulatory changes to FERPA squashed parents say in data sharing with these for profit EdTech and BigTech companies, among others.
FERPA:Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act. Protects the rights of parents and students. Changes were made as per the comment by the poster, theordersorder, limiting parental rights having access to data. Another silo that cannot be touched!
It will be interesting to see how the puppets (Congress) handle this for their puppeteers (I.C. plus corporate interests).
Assange and Snowden tried to warn US………….
Won’t be long before We may be saying’ If Russia can’t help US we’re doomed’…..they are building Churches in the midst of the NWO takeover……….We are destroying our connection to GOD by promoting and protecting 2 CRIMES that cry out to God; abortion and pedophelia, who do you think is going to be able to grasp God’s hand and get through this mess….
Communism/NWO took over Russia and it is never going to do it again; imagine if We and Russia united in God’s name…….OH, do you see where this anti Russia, pro Ukraine parlor trick is going…….
There ARE churches where God The Father, Jesus Christ The Son and The Holy Spirit are alive and well! Churches where there are missions and intercessory prayer. Churces where there is outreach to the whole community of believers. Churches that work to seek those who need God. Churches who understand that children are precious before , during and after birth. Church pastors, ministers and lay workers who understand what is happening to our country and do not mince words about it. Churches where the Gospel is preached and Leftist garbage is NOT! I am happy and thank God that my husband and I found one of those churches . Seek and you too, shall find!!
My cursory review initial thoughts are:
Why is anyone outside of the DOJ/FBI allowed access, period? Any other agency that has ‘articulable suspicion’ or ‘probable cause’ can ask for their assistance with this.
Why are ‘contractors’ allowed access at all? I have a HUGE problem with this. I don’t care if they do have a contract with the USG, there are NOT official ‘agents!’ They too could ask for assistance from DOJ/FBI if really needed. I don’t care who they are and what their background is. This is an end run on the 4th Amendment and Civil Rights liabilities (18/241 & 242; 42
/1983).
10,000 people is WAY TOO MANY to review/supervise!
There should be limits and internal reviews by multiple layers signing off before any search can be made.
What are and have been the repercussions/punishment for those unauthorized searches? If none or unknown, then why? That would be inexcusable!
This whole exemption/excuse thing with and for the NSD is nothing more than a cover-up for the CIA, as the NSD is nothing more than their subsidiary. Which is another end run getting around foreign limitations of their authorized access.
FtheDS/IC! Especially the CIA and its contractors!
Does anyone want to argue what I’ve been screaming for years? that our beloved Constitution now is an old piece of parchment in a sealed case housed in the bowels of the Whitehouse as a relic of what once was.
The swamp is coming for you. Each and every one of us. You have no rights. You are and have been nothing but a debt slave your whole life.
The third term of the Obama administration doesn’t care who knows now. It’s all out in the open.
Maybe you are a debt slave but I’m not.
You have the ability to change that.
Lower your expectations. We’ve all had to do it. It’ll get worse before it gets better. Load sand in the gears of government. Let the government pay you, so you don’t pay the government.
Live below your means, well below. Pay off or sell anything that has debt attached. Get debt free.
Stop buying crap you don’t need. Make do, go without, grow at least some of your own food. Stop buying processed food. Find a farmers market.
Move to a lower cost of living locale. Take a job that builds the community, not the elites.
Sell your expensive cars, buy the cheapest most reliable car you can.
Teach your kids the joy of life, not the false joy of things. Taking walks and going to a local playground are cheap and your kids will benefit from your time with them. Homeschool; it’s cheap and much more effective than government or even almost all private schools.
Everyone can do it. You just have to want to live free of the banks.
If Congress failed to reauthorize the FISA, what would be the result? At this point in time, they will continue to use the system in place, violating the act in the same manner they do today.
A big dent in the DS ability to secretly monitor us.
We, the People, must stop this now, or it continues.
Can you even imagine the use of AI and their control of individual thoughts thru the trans-humanism blather? And you didn’t realize the C-19 shots weren’t a downloadable tracking system? WE STOP THIS, NOW!!!
The glaring takeaway is that we only hear about these relevant details at the Treehouse. Zero coverage of this sort anywhere else.
The LAST Refuge!
Done. Emailed my Congressman and Senators
Here is the message I sent my Congress critters in case anyone wants to use all or part of it.
RE: Do Not Reauthorize FISA 702 Searchs without Expanding Oversight
You surely are aware of the rampant warrantless searches being conducted by some 10,000 federal employees and countless “authorized contractors”. The misuse of the system by government actors who are never reported to the FISC must be eliminated BEFORE Congress reauthorizes FISA-702.
In spite of the Trump Administration expanding oversight to the DOJ OIG, the non-compliant searches found by the OIG (over 1,000,000 according to congressional testimony by OIG Horowitz in April, 2023!), the specific warrantless searches are NOT reported by the OIG to the FISA Court-they are reported to the DOJ, the very entity responsible for many of these “non-compliant” ie. warrantless, searches. The DOJ continues to deciding which warrantless searches its own personnel and “authorized contractors” conduct will and won’t be reported to the FISC. The DOJ is politicized and incapable of honestly and completely reporting on itself to the FISC. While I support far broader reforms to the FISA regulations, at a minimum, there must be real oversight of the powerful and often corrupt DOJ.
Reauthorization of FISA 702 must require, at a minimum, reporting of the details of all “non-compliant” searches directly from the DOJ OIG to the FISC, AND accountability for federal employees and their “authorized contractors”. At a minimum, persons who conduct “non-compliant” searches should not continue to hold security clearances. I dare say OIG Horowitz would not have to continue reporting on MILLIONS of illegal searches if the persons flaunting the regulation were subject to losing their coveted security clearances.
Further, Congress should not debate, nor review reauthorization until the FISA Court receives the full details on ALL “non-compliant” searches directly from the DOJ OIG so that the FISC can fully report on ALL violations to Congress prior to reauthorization. The current patchwork of oversight leaves too many rabbits watching too many cabbage patches. The loopholes used to avoid transparency and accountability by the DOJ, the DOJ’s National Security Division, and other agencies having access to massive databases of private information on American citizens must be closed. The FISC must be provided full, detailed descriptions of all “non-compliant” searches from all entities having that information.
Thank you,
Your Name
WOW! Just when you think you hear really bad information, it gets even worse! Thank you Sundance for ALL your truth-telling! Is there ANYONE left in DC who we CAN trust to do the right things to protect us?
Nope!
Thank you! Very enlightening.
The brief mention of the 2FA system peaked my attention. I have been very suspicious of this concept since inception and personally avoid it’s use at all costs.
Please enlightened us all on this subject.
Thanks again and keep it up
The STASI would be so jealous and just like everything since 9-11 and the Patriot Act has us where we are at, a coincidence? I don’t think so, it’s all been foisted on us for our protection against “terrorist” when in truth amounts to swamp protection which vilifies the American people to keep their fiefdoms in place.
Either this unconstitutional crap goes or our country is finished as Founded. This will end when we say enough!
Perfect conclusion.
There are only two kinds of Congresscritters: the bribed and the blackmailed….
A few willing ideological participants also.
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I wish I could go in front of a judge and get away with saying “It’s just a little non-compliance so it’s all good. Sorry I lacked candor. Mistakes were made…”
Pedophelia and Abortion are the MOST PROTECTED CRIMEs in the world; the origins of the ‘patriot’ acts and protections are for those two crimes more than any other reason; it started with the OSS and the societal effects are staggering…………more deaths than any tyrants in history……at the hands of the useful idiots.
Economics, stability, peace, all roll off the backs of those two Crimes; population control always rests with the children……an angry God could destroy the world with his wrath.
The future has never been for the adults of the world, it’s always for the children, the inheritors, protect the innocent children and you protect the future; 10 simple Commandments are the basis of all laws of merit. The rest of the law books are nefarious means to skirt those Commandments.
The shear mass of these ‘organizations/government’ is staggering and their power is uncontrollable; they govern themselves…..what could go wrong??
God Help US
Agree.
It can be argued though that the 2 more simpler commandments that the Master gave are even more to the point and He says so by concluding, “On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” Matt 22:40
Reauthorization of FISA-702 is a landmark vote. Are we going to abide by the Constitution or not? We are discussing the details of an illegal rule. I understand the difficulty in facing up to the totalitarians, but the FISA-702 policy is a direct violation of the Constitution.
“ACTION: At the very least, we immediately need to contact our congressional representatives and senators and inform them the FISA-702 reauthorization cannot be appropriately debated, considered or reviewed, without the FISA Court first receiving the information from the DOJ Inspector General review of the FISA-702 process. No FISC opinion is worth anything when it is based on a minimal subset of the actual violations that factually take place. This is at a minimum!”
DONE. THANK YOU FOR THE SUGGESTION
I’m sending a link to this article to my Fla. Senators Rubio & Scott
This ultimately comes down to the fact that there is a person in our government who has the information at his fingertips that can blow this issue wide open.
First of all he intimate knowledge to the extent of the abuse .
Secondly he knows exactly how the silos work and the result that misleading everyone involved in the over site process will ultimately have.
He also has complete control of how effective /ineffective the OIG process is.
His name is Horowitz.
He is the tip of the spear that is the OIG office.
Horowitz has no interest throwing the spear let alone hitting the target.
If he did he would lead with the information Sundance is informing us with.
But he didn’t did he.
He is a master of deception by omission.
When he retires he will aves a bright future at FOX news .
Shut down the FISA so-called court and make null the NSA database…….. we can’t trust the feds with that type of information………
You detail here, merely in part, how we are so incredibly far off the rails defined by the Constitution and Bill of Rights:
A Specific Type of Continuity – July 21, 2023
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/21/a-specific-type-of-continuity/
and I’m supposed to contact “my” CONgress critters about one particular deck chair on the Titanic with the reply, if honest, being:
“I thank you for your interest, but since you represent a mere 0.01% of the national idiocracy paying close enough attention to know this, you don’t count… unless you contribute $10,000 to my campaign at the address listed below.”
Pretty much so.
Yes……, but
It would let them know
that we know
that they know
that they know
we know they know
Sundance,
As my middle school students say, ” Dude, you really do your homework!”
Thanks!
How do we/they unring the bell?
“10,000 federal employees have access to conduct these searches of the NSA database.”
This is shocking. I had to read that sentence twice. I’d like to see a list of everyone who ran a query.
Frankly, we don’t need 10,000 federal employees in total. It’s long past time to trim the federal bureaucracy.
Cut it in half, then cut it in half again. Then see where we can trim it!! Just a little trim! 😊
Get serious about data, US intelligence leaders tell agenciesODNI’s new three-year plan aims to turn data-gathering from afterthought to key asset.
“To date, we have not significantly prioritized data as a strategic and operational [intelligence community] asset. The central challenge remains that the IC is not fielding data, analytics, and artificial intelligence (AI)-enabled capabilities at the pace and scale required to preserve our decision and intelligence advantage,” the document said.
To fix that, the IC wants to fine-tune the “data flow lifecycle from collection and acquisition, to transporting, ingesting, curating, exploiting, disseminating, and disposing of IC data.”
“We don’t have enough resources to do everything that we need to do.”
https://www.defenseone.com/defense-systems/2023/07/get-serious-about-data-us-intelligence-leaders-tell-agencies/388606/
https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/exclusive-fbi-carried-out-warrantless-monitoring-on-man-who-posted-guns-for-sale-on-facebook-5411808?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily
Here is the police state in action. I can read entire article because I will not give them my info for an account
Since most everybody in government does what they want to, when they want to, and to whom they want to- what’s the point? Our votes don’t count therefore our voices don’t count.
We are being intentionally misled about the 4th Branch spying on U.S. citizens, much of it motivated by politics. Shut it down, all of it.
Thank you Sundance for your constant supply of sunlight.
They eliminated the 4th Amendment…..
Lawmakers have proposed implementing a probable cause standard, or requiring agencies to get a warrant before using 702. But Paul Abbate, the FBI’s deputy director, said that would make it useless.
“It’s not legally required—and that’s been stated by the FISA court, and other courts as well,” Abbate said Thursday during the conference. “But, importantly beyond that, if we had to get a warrant, each and every instance, the delay that that would cause would essentially…undermine the effectiveness of the tool, the query, itself.”
https://www.defenseone.com/defense-systems/2023/07/intel-leaders-white-house-make-case-keep-digital-spy-powers/388545/
Many federal court district allow for “telephone” search warrants approvals after work hours including weekends.
Abbate is just lying.
https://www.federalrulesofcriminalprocedure.org/title-viii/rule-41-search-and-seizure/#:~:text=In%20accordance%20with%20Rule%204.1,officer%20authorized%20to%20execute%20it.
https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/ao_093c_0818_0.pdf
If FISC were actually “a court” by any description, both parties would be represented. And the Court would be able to require collaborative information from any source.
As it is, this is just a toothless and meaningless stamp of “due process” meant only to gild the 💩.
You make a good point…it’s a court in name only.
Virtually all of the federal and municipal courts are courts in name only: they are incorporated, as is what serves as the rest of the federal government. FISA itself is a violation of the fourth amendment, and no government corporation in business to provide government services is authorized to unilaterally change the provisions of their contracts (aka constitutions).
Note also that The Congress of the United States is not the same as The United States in Congress Assembled. The former, for those who havent figured it out yet, is a fraud; the latter hasn’t been in session since 1860. What we’re living under now is government of the persons, by the persons, and for the persons (that exist only on paper).
It is well past time to change it back to the original as founded.
Note also that The Congress of the United States is not the same as The United States in Congress Assembled. The former, for those who havent figured it out yet, is a fraud; the latter hasn’t been in session since 1860. What we’re living under now is government of the persons, by the persons, and for the persons (that exist only on paper).
Would you please provide links so that I may study the differences between “ The Congress of the United States “ and “ The United States in Congress Assembled “ .
This is most interesting.
Thanks
Tom;
If you can type, you can find the links.
Robert Rogers
The Congress of the United States is a corporate board of directors for the Territorial United States and a board of trustees for the Municipal UNITED STATES, two corporations in business to provide government services. Both corporations are foreign owned and controlled, and both are bankrupt.
Go to the link below. If you ckick on the red Education bar on the homepage you will find a block, “You know something is wrong when…”. This is a free pdf download of a book that explains the history how our actual,lawful government came into being, where it went wrong and turned into a gigantic fraud, and how to get it back. The website itself will guide you.
The American States Assembly (americanstatenationals.org)
Thank you !
Very much appreciated!
While you’re typing in searches, take a look at the 1871 incorporation act of DC turning the government into a municipal corporate entity due to bankruptcy.
Note that the bankrupcy itself is evidence of their corporate nature. Sovereign entities, what we assume our “government” to be, are not eligible for bankruptcy.
Just another democrat court.
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Even if 702 wasn’t renewed, does anyone think the current communists in DC would somehow stop spying on Americans?
Your point is sound. However, would those who abuse the system be able to introduce any evidence into a court proceeding without incriminating themselves for violating due process? And wouldn’t such violations be grounds for immediate dismissal?
And yet, when you break down the numbers there are currently 2,794.5 non-compliant searches being run every single single day. Have there been any “immediate dismissals” of those currently “violating due process”? Of course not!
(3,400,000 searches in 1 year divided by 365 days equals 9,315.06 per day x 30% non-compliant searches = 2,794.5 per day. )
The numbers are staggering, but the abuse of the system isn’t surprising as the system itself is a massive abuse of the Constitution and the American People in the first place. The only way to stop the abuse is shutting down the entire system itself.
Bro Obama is responsible for a lot more than trump spying – and a lot more important stuff too
They don’t even hold hearings and put the affiants under oath.
It is a communist structure, put that in the description and all makes sense.
Remember when……………………..we did not government? We are in a relationship with a borderline personality, all or nothing, black or white. Either throw off all of government or adhere to the corruption we now have.
You can’t ask for government handouts or subsidies and expect them to stop with the FISA or any other corrupt office.
States are now just as corrupt as federal. Freedom may mean “living in a van down by the river.”
When they shut the whole country down then slip a check under your door, as Covid relief. How many accepted? Should have hung a few politicians and took their money instead.
When Social security checks get you a cup of coffee and a month worth of medicine, should have said “no thanks, I’m not giving pharma kick backs.”
When fraud in elections became obvious, those drop boxes should have been burned like dumpsters during Floyd riots.
Remember food stamps? We should be made to wear a sheep suit to receive and use the EBT cards and government phones. Nobody would flinch! We get what we ask for, what we deserve.
By the way, why so many billionaires, millionaires? Because our money is worthless, printed without backing. If we had a system that was backed by substance of value, there wouldn’t be so many rich.
You nailed it. To restore freedom will kill the now-dependent organism. These issues are far too basic for Americans to grasp, therefore the end of it all is assured.
They are killing the now-dependent organism because we are their Priority Creditors, not debtors, and they owe each of us millions that they cannot possibly pay. They stole your identity and your credit like any common hacker when you were born and traded on your life force multiple times over and you never saw a cent of the profits they made. Your birth certificate and every piece of fiat money is evidence of their fraud and we are wising up, so what are they trying to do now? Eliminate both us and cash. Don’t let them kill the organism, just the dependent part. Freedom will do that.
Another great observation from you.
Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose.
When they have taken it all from us, we will be free,..to hoist the black flag, and start slitting throats,..But, once we start down that road, where does it end?
Palerider: Good points.
There’s a ballot drop box sitting in a park near me, with voter instructions printed in about 18 different languages, and warnings not to tamper in any way with the drop box. The darn box is an insult to Americans.
You DO know what iron oxide, 25 % + aluminum oxide 75% by dry weight, plus 5% additive =, don’t you?