Let us be clear and non-pretending. The RNC, a private corporation run by U.S. multinational corporations, billionaires and donors who control it, is a private club – who construct the rules of affiliation according to the interests and demands of the benefactors.
The RNC club, the right side of the UniParty corporate structure, has zero consideration or interest in the opinion of voters forced to register in their affiliation.
The people who fund the RNC have established the rules for participation in the club debate. The first club debate is scheduled for August 23, 2023, on Fox News with the approved process through the prism of Rupert Murdoch and Paul Ryan. Those club rules include:
♦ A qualifying candidate must poll support at least 1% in three national polls, OR 1% in two national polls and 1% in one early state poll from two separate “carve out” states (Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina) as conducted by polling recognized and approved by the RNC club.
This rule will elevate all the purposeful idiot club members the voters do not like onto the stage. After all, what good is a plan to split the vote if the club cannot give the optics needed for the operation. In essence, and in fact, in order for Chris Christie and Nikki Haley to attack Trump on behalf of DeSantis, they must be on the stage.
♦ Each candidate must meet this polling requirement no later than 48 hours prior to the first scheduled debate and must originate from polling conducted on or after July 1, 2023.
♦ The Candidate must have a minimum of 40,000 unique donors to candidate’s principal presidential campaign committee (or exploratory committee), with at least 200 unique donors per state or territory in 20+ states and/or territories. Evidence of this donor support must be presented to RNC club no later than 48 hours prior to the first scheduled debate.
The RNC club will then use this donor data to request more money for their club operations.
♦ Each candidate must have signed a pledge agreeing to support the eventual club nominee, in order to be considered an “approved republican.”
If the candidate does not support the club rules, the candidate is not approved.
Do you guys see how ridiculously screwed up our system of American party politics is?
If I were advising Donald Trump, or any candidate, I would tell them to put out an official statement that says:
“My loyalty is to the American people, not a private club or politically affiliated corporation. I will not be signing a loyalty pledge to anyone except the American people through my oath of office. Additionally, my view of our nation does not include any division, subset or categorization of personage based on political affiliation.”
The first rule in the maintenance of a constitutional republic, with the end goal to eliminate corporatism in US politics, should be to outlaw the formation of any political party.
Get rid of political parties, and Bernie Sanders would have been the DNC club candidate in 2016. Get rid of political parties, and Newt Gingrich would have been the RNC club candidate in 2012. Get rid of political parties, and voters would see bold contrasts instead of UniParty pastels.
Counter argument – Oh, but if you get rid of political parties then billionaires will just select their guy for office. My point – WTF do you think we have now?
Of course, Politico gets it exactly wrong – on purpose.
(Via Politico) – The Republican National Committee says it will consider adding a second night to the first GOP presidential primary debate this August in Milwaukee, according to new qualifying standards announced Friday.
The first debate will be Aug. 23 on Fox News Channel, with a possible second date of Aug. 24 if enough candidates meet polling and fundraising criteria — and also commit to supporting the eventual Republican nominee and pledge that they will not participate in any outside debates.
Candidates will have to garner donations from at least 40,000 national contributors and poll consistently above 1 percent in three national polls or two national polls and a state poll, according to the RNC’s announcement. Candidates must secure donations “with at least 200 unique donors per state or territory in 20+ states and/or territories.”
The candidates will have until Aug. 21 — 48 hours before the debate — to meet the criteria. Polls conducted prior to July 1 won’t count toward qualification.
The new standards appear designed to prevent the free-for-all, circus-like debates that occurred in the 2016 Republican primaries. Though it’s too soon to know which candidates will clear the thresholds, the criteria are likely to be difficult for at least some hopefuls to clear.
A smaller stage could benefit Ron DeSantis, who wants a one-on-one matchup with former President Donald Trump. The former president is welcoming a large field to splinter the opposition to him. (read more)
President Trump should have rallies on the debate dates. Tell the RNC to shove it where the sun don’t shine.
I agree completely.
The numbers for people watching Trump rallies on rino debate night will blow the doors off people watching a prescripted monologue from hacks that hate you.
What if he held a rally and put the debate on the Jumbotron? He could answer the questions and critique the other candidates in real time without being interrupted.
🤭
😅🤣😂🤣
That’s a really good idea
Def is.
Great idea…but remember, he has to have a channel host him. Maybe even video like Rumble.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!! LOVE THIS!!!!!
PS I was your 45th upvote!!!! 😉
Great idea!!
Making America Great Again means destroying the “presidential debate” dog and pony shows which are a relic of an America that doesn’t exist any more, and which serve ONLY the interests of the Government Party.
Trump should announce rallies and encourage nationwide watch parties.
Without President Trump on that stage to give those muppets an air of legitimacy thire whole magic show falls apart.
Nice description of the puppet candidates Mike.
EXACTLY
Great idea—I second that motion!
“Pledge that they will not participate in any outside debates.” DJT should tell these fools to take a hike, preferably a long one off a short pier overlooking waters infested with hungry crocodiles. If the RNC isn’t going to get into the ballot harvesting game, the party is not only worthless but an albatross around DJT’s neck.
John Evans, totally agree. Trump should totally ignore the gaggle of idiots recruited as splitters by the RNC, RdS included. Without him, the staged “debates” will die on the vine.
Yeah, that would produce such a Joke . . I’m laughing already.
To watch them die on the vine sounds delightful. 😊
The lowest rating in History – Niki Haley, Chris Christy, Asa Hutchinson, etc., Ha Ha Ha!
Ada Hutchinson, PDJT calls him, but won’t say why.
I thought Trump said he was planning some “BALLOT HARVESTING ” himself!
The party hss been an albatross around his neck, since 2015.
We don’t need no stinking debated with a bunch of well known GOPe hack RINOs. What’s to debate. The whole world already knows where President Donald Trump stands on the issues.
These so called debates are nothing more than a ratings ploy for the Fake News Networks which include the Fox News Stooges. We all know what will happen with Murdock’s Brier Cabbage Patch and loser company “moderators”.
If President Trump does not sign that 💩pledge and is “disallowed” then the whole RINO plan will be a total failure and debacle of babbling GOPe stiffs. Without President Trump attending, there will not be the ratings boost for these Fake News stooges nor an opportunity for “gotcha” talking points weeks after.
On a side note, where’s the bouncing windsock John Kasich? 🤔🙄🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kasich is wrapped around Al Franken like a clingy girlfriend.
I think PT45 should pledge to support himself and that’s it – no other candidate.
Christie sat on him at a backyard barbecue. Serious injuries.
Like Roger Stone said, “Christie needs to run, not for president, just to run.”
Let’s not forget: what’s a Globalist debate without John Bolton to round out the evening.
Probably thinking he doesn’t look so bad now that Mike DeWine has proven he’s far worse than Kasich with what he did and didn’t do to help E. Palestine! (He allowed the RR to dump and burn and then failed to help the people who live there.)
Visiting his father – he was a mailman in case you didn’t know.
Does this mean the RNC is afraid that Trump will go independent or third party?
Some interesting backstory on the third party question:
(1) During Ronna’s reelection bid for head of the RNC, this story came out:
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“Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel is promoting herself to lead the committee for the next two years, arguing she is best positioned to stop former President Donald Trump from creating a third party should he lose the GOP primary election and split the party’s electorate.
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McDaniel reportedly made the comments as she spoke privately to the 168 RNC members to back her reelection bid, according to the Washington Post. “
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaign/ronna-mcdaniel-stop-trump-forming-third-party
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(2) “Former President Donald Trump has appeared to float the idea of running a third-party campaign if increasingly disgruntled Republican leaders don’t get behind his 2024 run for the presidency.
“Trump signaled the possibility by posting an article on Truth Social Wednesday ― “The Coming Split,” by Dan Gelernter, in the right-wing journal American Greatness ― promoting just such an option.
“Gelernter believes such a move would torpedo Trump’s chances of winning the White House. But it would also wipe out Republican hopes, which Gelernter argued would be a deserving punishment for rejecting the popular former president.
“Do I think Trump can win as a third-party candidate? No,” he wrote. “Would I vote for him as a third-party candidate? Yes. Because I’m not interested in propping up this corrupt [GOP] gravy-train any longer.”
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-floats-third-party-threat-071227119.html
Good sleuthing, Sunrei!
My thinking is he not only splits the parties electorate (taking the “lions share” lol) but that he splits the PARTY.
The State party leadership, at the top levels will stay with the RNC, but precinct captains and activists that do a lot of the actual WORK of the party go en mass, (and Trump campaign will NEED them, organised and ready to form a new party, and in some cases it may go up to district or county level.
In Az., for instance there are 15 counties, I suspect most of 13 would get a lot of pressure from the base to leave, and some wouldn’t need any pressure.
I wonder if Ronna contemplated such a scenario, at all.
Surely PDJT has.
I remember the first time I read your thoughts on this possibility, and have suggested to folks that this is as good a reason as any, if not better, for getting inside the machine in order to be in place to walk away with people and data and a full comprehension of the organizational structure needed to establish the America First Party.
Oh, and to effectively gut the Greedy Old Possums in the process.
Brilliant plan, Bro!
Ok Maquis and Dutchman, I’ll jump into the convo around prepping for a potential third party.
My biggest concern is how to prevent the new party from being immediately taken over by Uniparty masquerading as MAGA. I’m just starting to noodle what can be done to prevent that. Couple of thoughts, more planning needed though:
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1) The legal structure of the new party should not be a corporation. Sundance has laid out some of the issues of the RNC that derive from its corporate mandate to maximize revenue (where big donors come in).
Non-profit is an alternative way to structure the party –but as we know (Project Veritas), there are potential problems there too because a non-profit requires a board of directors that can become corrupted.
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2) The courts allow PACs which enable the wealthy to control elections thru millions of dollars in individual donations. Perhaps structure the new party’s charter and governing rules to disallow any PAC donations and limit all donations to a max of $2500 total.
………..Just a few initial thoughts. Sundance’s articles make clear that the initial legal formation and guiding rules are part of the problem with the RNC. We need to be smart about the initial formation approach to specifically be geared to preventing a quick take over by Uniparty elements.
I’m not a lawyer, but would think even though PACs are legal, that a political party can choose to not receive PAC money.
Tres interessante . . .
They will not be able to sit still and watch Trump wreck them again. I think he will have to make a visible break with these people eventually. It’s just a matter of tactics and timing.
Can’t have “circus like” debates now!
I think he has to make THEM initiate the break, and THEY have to make HIM initiate the break.
Whichever side wins this contest of optics, wins.
This rediculous “loyalty oathe” is an attempt by them to start the process.
This gets into tactics and strategy, PDJT vs the Sea Island gang,…hmmm.
WHO do you think is going to win this battle of wits, the Master, or the masterbaiter half wits?
I have no opinion of what PDJT “should” do, but will be avidly watching to see what he WILL do.
Also, I would caution he may use some misdirection, so don’t be disappointed if he doesn’t tell them to shove it.
lets see what happens, lol.
What if enough Trump supporters nationwide found one person to say they support so that this person would make the debate? This person’s sold job would be to support Trump and make the rest look bad. Just sayin’ … Could it work?
The RNC just wants to make sure that Trump doesn’t win the 2024 Presidential Election. Period.
This we know, Tars.
But the machinations they will engage in to try to achieve their goal, and PDJT’s counters, promise to be fascinating to watch.
They are entering into a battle of wits, sans any ammo.
“Democrats say government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass from your lawn.
Republicans say government doesn’t work and then get elected and prove it.”
P. J. O’Rourke
Yet we’re still hanging around McDaniels, McCarthy, and McConnell pretending things will change.
Bold colors instead of pastels. I like that!
No!
This is all wrong. Trump should announce that he will not participate in debates that require “loyalty oaths” like the kind only people like Sadaam Hussein would demand.
Then, announce that there will be live broadcasted rallies DURING the GOP debates which Trump will use to both answer questions and respond to the fakers, posers, and grifters on the stage.
Hit them in the $$$$.
If it hasn’t already been said:
In other words we can only vote for your (RNC – mafia) candidates…
… but our (MAGA) candidates are not allowed to be on “your” ballot!
Exactly what they’re saying…only globalists need apply, and especially if they’re WEF members. Gag me.
Neo-con Trotskyites and Stalinists, what a bunch of demonic filth.
One other thing Trump should say: “In 2020, I received more votes running unopposed than any incumbent President in American history. Anybody who appears on a debate stage is not only not MAGA, they will hold no position of authority or account in my administration. I will not support their election or reelection efforts, and will aggressively campaign for their opponent.”
In addition: “In good faith, as the 2016 Republican nominee and eventual President-elect, I took very important and consequential political advise from many of my 2016 primary opponents. How’d that work out for me?”
Our President has already shown he can go toe to toe and wipe the floor with all of them.
He should go and give them a yea, yea to the pledge (He’s going to be the nominee) and take them out one by one.
The GOP debate moderators are warming up…
No LOYALITY to MAGA, NO DONATIONS!
PRESIDENT Donald J. Trump, if he so desired could have a Live Stream during the RNC Debate and it would have VASTLY higher viewership.
Yes, Politico DOES draw the wrong conclusion. No way Uncle Ron wants to go head to head with Trump. Nor does the RNC WANT him to. Haley may be there to go after Trump, but I look at the Christie/Pence duo as the good cop/bad cop routine designed to keep RDS’s uniform clean. Where Politico is partially right is fewer people on stage allows more time for RDS to drone on about cultural/social issues and inflame emotions. So far, that’s all I’ve seen out of his campaign. Claiming he can do all he did in Florida at the federal level. And the RonBots are eating it up.
The more “candidates” up on the stage during the debate means that each candidate (talking about Meatball) has fewer questions to answer. That means Ron! can sit back in the shadows while everyone else take pot shots at PDJT. Meatball will be given his 3 questions and 3 answers in advance so that they can prep him to look more “presidential”.
The Cruzbots ate the same crap also in 2016. Where did that get them? Remember the so called “influencers” like Old Yeller Fox Stooge Levin and Glenn “I’ll swear you in” Beck were hard on the Cruzbot cruz (pun intended). How did that work out also?
DeSantis has a PROACTIVE government here in Florida. They are in sync with him completely. DeSantis will, in DC, be battling with the Deep State just as President Trump did and will accomplish far less than PDJT did. He is not as smart nor as aggressive as Trump and will fail at a much higher rate. Those that think that DeSantis is a good alternative to President Trump are very mistaken and we ALL will pay the price if DeSantis wins .
Red team vs Blue team.
Same game. Different players.
“The former president is welcoming a large field to splinter the opposition to him.”
The HELL he is, Politico. Have you people seen any of the polling?
Best Trump nickname yet for DeSantis:
Ron Destablishment
Whoa>.!!!! “Start by standing up to his wife”….That’s relly going to piss some people off!
Ahhh… I didn’t fully appreciate how much I missed Mean Tweets for a little while there…
Ahhh…the little things in life…😁😁
Yet, it’s 100% true! His “tweets” now called “truths” are not mean. They are simply the truth!
Truth^^
Anyone who watched their joint Iowa speeches could tell she has a leg in those pants.
The problem for them is, the country well remembers the 2 for 1 offered by the Clintons in ‘92 and want no part of it.
lol, that left a mark!
😯 ! 😄 !
Our President Trump is Definately
One Unique Man 💘 💘
Thanks for posting that
30Gibson 😊
Could-a done without the last sentence. He is his own worst enemy…DAMMIT
RNC can go pound sand. Who the heck do they think they are? Arbiters of Candidates? Gatekeepers? How useless.
RNC is trying to “manage” the field of contenders. How about Trump tell them to shove their rules where the sun don’t shine.
Trump does not need the RNC. They need him to subjugate himself to their rules.
RNC is about Control, not Liberty or the Constitution, just like the DNC.
The RNC is utterly useless. They exist to compromise America for profit. Screw them.
Then they already think Trump will win!
In 2015, on August 6th at the first debate, Trump was the only one not to take “the pledge” to support “whomever might be the candidate”. They just called it “the pledge”.
Now this time they are calling it a “loyalty pledge”. Oh, really?
We want loyalty to America, first – and THAT’S where Donald J. Trump’s loyalty is!
Unto the murky, dimly lit ethos of the RNC, I present a query, “loyalty to whom?”
Otherwise, it’s just loyalty, shmoyalty as far as the RNC is concerned because they don’t seem to grasp a critical fact:
“Loyalty: it’s a two-way street!”
The RNC has not shown loyalty to our country in that – for one – the Republicans in the House and the Senate – for the majority – have gone along with the massive spending of money to be sent to Ukraine; the Republicans stand by and literally do nothing while our borders are trampled and they have allowed the country’s energy independence, national security and economy to be so greatly damaged – THEY are not loyal TO America!
The RNC and the Republicans in Congress have massively failed to demonstrate loyalty to our country, just this week!
So, go put your “loyalty pledge” you know where.
I am trying to visualise the debate, sans PDJT.
“I hate Trump, hate Putin and support the war in Ukraine!”
“me, too” x’s 10
“I will fight to get men out of womens sports and bathrooms!”
“me, too” x’s 10.
“Our elections are the most secure in history, and anyone who questiond them is an election denying, putin loving, seditious doo doo head!”
“You tell em, Ron!” x’s 10.
“Oh, and Trump sucks and is unelectable, cause he is so mean and contentious,…and he’s being indicted all over the country, like 100 times!”
“yeah!” x’s 10
Almost as exciting as watching paint dry.
But wait. Someone will write a stern letter “in the near future” RNC will NEVER earn my loyalty, NEVER
I think Trump should just go have big rallies in the same locales as where these morons are holding their dog and pony shows, and then call it a night as he boards his plane. Soon, the whole country will be watching Trump rallies instead of debating facsimiles.
Money. Money. Money.
Don’t give me any of that do goody goody bull%^&*
Let us be clear and non-pretending. Our President won’t be on the ballot.
If the RNC allows dead people on the ballot, which they do, then they really have no excuse to keep anyone off the ballot.
If he is in Prison with his security detail…I will vote President Trump.
Trump has little to gain by debating any of the clowns. He’s capable of eviscerating all of them without a debate.
President Trump should tell those shitbirds to stuff it and on that date hold a rally for the forgotten people of East Palistine,Oh. His opening statement should address those phony challengers: “Why aren’t you here?”
Trump 2024
Trump/Lake 2024
They actually think people will tune in to watch Romney debate Pence , Christy and Elder LOL.
The purple light attracts (the stage) and the voltage zaps (pledge to support). The debate is a political bug-zapper.
Could it be that the club has RFK in their war-gaming? I could see Trump endorsing RFK – with qualification. Remember the main thrust of the club efforts is to block Trump from running. they are running multiple operations to sideline his candidacy.
Of course, on the other hand, Trump can sign any pledge that he later repudiates and violates. Who would care anyway.
Wait……the RNC is demanding a loyalty pledge?
From DeSantis?
LOL
“From DeSantis, PENCE or Haley?
LOL”
Fixed it!
Is the term “approved” (or especially, “not approved”) actually helpful here? Is the eventual Republican presidential candidate an “unapproved” Republican by virtue of not qualifying for a debate?
Surely Club RNC wouldn’t be that stupid/arrogant* (but see below.)
The RNC’s rules pertain to qualifying for participation in the first debate. So a person either qualifies or doesn’t. And is “approved” or not only in that limited sense.
*Incidentally, is the RNC daring Mr. Trump to solidify his inclination to blow off the debate (and its loyalty pledge)?
Whereupon everyone on stage would have committed to support Trump if the nominee, with no reciprocal obligation from Trump to support any of them?
excellent questions which deserve clarification
from the Republican Numbskulls Club.
good post,barnstormer.
Yes, whats there motivation?
Do they REALLY want PDJT on that debate stage, so they can try to “triple team him, with moderator, christie and noem all attacking, while RDS hides behind his lecturn?
Or, do they realise just walking on the stage for PDJT is a win, as he looks Presidential and they all look like kids wanting a seat at the table?
In which case they WANT him to refuse to sign their rediculous and unprecedented pledge.
OR, Are they trying to set up a win/win for themselves, and box PDJT into a lose/lose?
Fox is running the debate? I’d call that the Paul Ryan Puppet Show!
These Uniparty people are getting desperate. Their only task is to put down Trump, but nothing is working. They’ll have to just summarily exclude him, and strike him from state ballots. Or somehow get a criminal conviction to disqualify him. He’s unbeatable right now, given the present government incompetence.
I’m wondering whether the Uniparty won’t just throw-in the towel and let him have it? They can’t win unless they’re willing to open up massive fissures that the media can’t cover up. And he will still probably win, but with a mandate to stomp them. If he openly campaigns against the Uniparty, it does give him that mandate.
It’s going to be interesting.
Solidifies my decision to change affiliation this past Tuesday. Goodbye RNC! Again they have stepped over the line for me. They honestly believe that no one knows what they are doing? Love the idea to schedule a rally for both dates.
Debate’s over.
It’s Trump.
And you repukes better get someone else for senators here in Texas.
Cause I ain’t voting for the 2 slugs you have now anymore.
Go to Hell.
Is this what Pierre Delecto’s niece does to keep her job – come up with cockamamie schemes like this?
They run to lose. I saw it with Bob Dole, John Songbird McQaeda, & Moron Mitt, though to be fair Crowley saved the Kenyan fraud when his teleprompter failed and he was exposed as the idiot he really is. And the niece is doing what the GOPe’s role is in the Political theater, do stupid things to lose. Cheers ma’am
Just remember that Trump endorsed every one of them. He always picks “the best people.”
ZZZZzzzzz….
This platform which PDJT & MAGA share many of the same points, would be treason and disloyalty to the GOPe. That was why his campaigns were throttled and the primaries stolen to make sure he did not win. Also much like PDJT, he was a big threat to China who the CFR & Co have been “grooming’ for world domination as CFR pappy Bush said in his NWO speech.
Pat Buchanan On The Issues
https://www.ontheissues.org/Pat_Buchanan.htm
I’m waiting for all the people that still support the GOP Wing of the UniParty on what they have to say. I get a laugh out of their mental gymnastics to continue to support the R wing.
Don’t worry. They be around soon. they’re still a little embarrassed about the way they bragged about how the Pubes were gonna show Biden what for on the budget deal.
Same Sh*t, different day.
Are the real RNC and DNC donations or funders coming from the most powerful businessmen on earth. Are these businessmen the same billionaires referenced by Sundance. I think the answer is yes.
Me after the 1996 GOPe primaries, and now most of you. “Unite And be Free, Live Free Or Die” Hamilton Rowan
“My loyalty is to the American people, not a private club or politically affiliated corporation. I will not be signing a loyalty pledge to anyone except the American people through my oath of office. Additionally, my view of our nation does not include any division, subset or categorization of personage based on political affiliation.”
SO, those on Truth, post this on President Trump’s acct.
I posted this on Truth Social. No idea how to get Trump to actually see it.
ISN’T AUGUST 25th, THE DATE THAT IDIOT JUDGE, IN NEW YORK, HAS SET FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP’S TRIAL?
I have no doubt he knew that was the time all these debates would take place.
There’s supposed to be some planned in the weeks before then, but this one is cutting it close.
Late March 2024.
I read Valiant.news (Tom Pappert) He’s a big Trump guy. He said that DeS has been extremely thin skinned when asked questions, even to his small groups. Can you imagine him on the campaign trail. Also there’s rumors that he has lost a lot of weight due to some new prescription drug and it may be affecting his temperament..
For five years Pres. Trump has been taking it and giving it back exponential.
If Valiant.news is even 1% correct, especially about the Meatball being Thin Skinned, Pres. Trump would figuratively skin him alive on TV.
The wise thing would be for the Meatball to avoid confronting Pres. Trump… but if he was wise he would have waited to run in 2028!
Its called AMPHETAMINES, and yeah it makes you cranky, irrassible and crazy.
Funny you mention that.
Oh… wow… that’s legit.
He had a thing going on with his nose and couldn’t stand still the other day,, while he was burning a hole in the back of Casey’s head when she was speaking at the microphone , remember ?
Oh boy , that does explain Ron’s attitude , if true !
Bogeger DeStablisment. LoL !
That’s gross.
No, I think it’s Ozempic.
Does the RNC control who gets on the Republican Primary ballot in each State?
Can they deny access to the Primary ballot?
Just asking; I don’t know.
I believe its “yes” through the State party, which is just (at the top) a franchise of the RNC Corporation.
President Trump is loyal to America.
Here’s my loyalty pledge to the RNC:
1. Get on your knees, admit all the corruption and devious subterfuge that you have exerted on your base for at least 3 decades with details, to include sabotaging Trump.
1. All members and officers apologize to Trump and the voters publicly and vociferously; immediately turn over all control of monies, message, platform and decisions going forward with the GOP;
3. Reveal everything you know, proffer all testimonials and physical evidence of all government wrongdoing in your knowledge and or purview; and testify to regardless of personal consequences;
And I will think about a loyalty pledge.
Otherwise, kiss my MF’ ing ass right now and every day until the day I die.
In sum, FU!!!!!!!!
Let me get this straight. All contestants need to pledge loyalty to “whoever” ends up being the candidate for 2024. Did anyone, other than Ben Carson, remain loyal in 2016 when they raised their hands and basically swore that they’d be loyal to the winner? But this time it would be different, because they’ll sign something? This is such nonsense.
Excellent point, how quickly we forget.
It’s almost as if the GOPe are PLANNING that PDJT won’t be the Republican candidate … because NOBODY in this field of candidates will pledge their loyalty to PDJT.
It’s almost as if they’re saying … we will CHEAT the vote to ensure nobody will have to support PDJT.
Sounds like a Communist Bolsheviks’ pledge to me.
That is exactly what the RINO/Globalist RNC is doing. Ronnie D. is their trainee candidate to split people away from Trump. Whether or not they try to arrest/jail DJT may, sickly enough, depend on how well their boy does….
Never trust the RNC.
Bingo
A horse-race makes it easier to coverup a landslide.
Romney 2.0 = Jobama 4.0
NeverTrump graduated to NeverBack.
NeverTrump’s Latest Attempt To Dismiss Election Concerns Is Particularly Dishonest
thefederalist.com/2022/07/19/nevertrumps-latest-attempt-to-dismiss-election-concerns-is-particularly-dishonest/
It won’t happen yet but sooner or later people will get it. Time for a new party🤙. They keep telling the Conservatives, MAGA PEOPLE, most independents you are not welcome and we hate your guts in the Republican Party. Amazing how many people still or fetuses to see this.
Yep.
Time for a MAGA party.
We may be witnessing the death of the GOP and the rise of the MAGA party.
They will never believe how easy it will be to either stay home or vote third party next year. I’m open to either one. I will not vote for a Republican ever again. I’ll stay home or write-in my dog.
Do Write Ins!!!
DO NOT STAY HOME.
VOTE!!
START NOW contacting your Local Party Officials and Election Officials and DEMANDING ACCESS any way NECESSARY to be able to vote TRUMP AND MAGA CANDIDATES!!!!
PAPER BALLOTS WITH ABILITY FOR WRITE INS AT EVERY LEVEL IN THE BALLOT!!!!
“Almost ?”
Reminds me of German soldiers forced to swear allegiance to Adolph Hitler.
No more parties. Make them illegal, any candidate can run without the need of a party as gatekeeper.
The Founders were against parties in 1800.
BEST IDEA OF ALL – They’ll develop Underground Parties but they CAN BE PROSCUTED if Americans GET A BACKBONE.
Just Say “NO! You Are Dirty Dirty Dirty. You Are Not My Party!”
Astute observation. Lies, lies, lies.
The Republican Party was not founded by the type of people who run it today, The Republican Party has been hijacked by self serving RINO’s.
The republican party makes me want to vomit, but the democratic party makes me do it, and drown in it.
Let’s have a party to end all”Parties”.
Democrat Party was BORN EVIL – to MAKE ND KEEP SLAVES! And to Destroy Abolitionists.
Meanwhile the Republicans wanted to ship all blacks out of the country.
Second Confiscation Act of 1862.
SEC. 12. And be it further enacted, That the President of the United States is hereby authorized to make provision for the transportation, colonization, and settlement, in some tropical country beyond the limits of the United States, of such persons of the African race, made free by the provisions of this act, as may be willing to emigrate, having first obtained the consent of the government of said country to their protection and settlement within the same, with all the rights and privileges of freemen.
You’re ignorant of history since the Republican Party is exactly the same today as it was in the 1850s. They believed in corporate welfare and taxing people to death. Read up on internal improvements of the 19th century. Lincoln and the Republicans nearly bankrupted the states they controlled through corporate welfare.
The Party was founded at The Little White School House in Ripon Wisconsin to stop the spread of slavery to the new territories in 1854. Ripon was a small farm town then and is still a small farm town today
You are entitled to your own opinions but you can not make up your own facts.
The Civil War was very costly, the people that fought to preserve slavery were the cause.
PP1776 is consistent, got to give him/her that, but nothing else.
I’m historically accurate.
1860 Republican Party Platform
15. That appropriations by Congress for river and harbor improvements of a national character, required for the accommodation and security of an existing commerce, are authorized by the Constitution, and justified by the obligation of Government to protect the lives and property of its citizens.
16. That a railroad to the Pacific Ocean is imperatively demanded by the interests of the whole country; that the federal government ought to render immediate and efficient aid in its construction; and that, as preliminary thereto, a daily overland mail should be promptly established.
Corporate welfare sponsored by the Republican Party via tax dollars.
He is correct. Most Republicans, including Lincoln, were former Whigs. The Whigs were identified by their commitment to “internal improvements” (what we would call corporate welfare). They were most definitely not committed to ending slavery as there were many Whigs in the South. Hence the Republicans. When the Northern Whigs came over to the Republicans, they brought their Whiggish principles with them. You can still see it today in a property ownership map of the West. When you see a checkerboard pattern of ownership, that is the legacy of the massive land grants to the railroad companies.
Lincoln and the Republicans supported the Morrill Tariff which was passed on March 2, 1861 two days before Lincoln assumed the presidency. Said tariff levied at 75% combined tax rate on southern imported goods that forced them to pay for 90% of the federal governments expenditures. What I said is correct. The Republicans believed in corporate welfare and taxing people to death back then and today.
The party split from the Whigs and still pushed the American System set up by Alexander Hamilton. They pushed for internal improvements and corporate welfare. I didn’t make up my own facts. You did.
1860 Republican Party Platform
15. That appropriations by Congress for river and harbor improvements of a national character, required for the accommodation and security of an existing commerce, are authorized by the Constitution, and justified by the obligation of Government to protect the lives and property of its citizens.
16. That a railroad to the Pacific Ocean is imperatively demanded by the interests of the whole country; that the federal government ought to render immediate and efficient aid in its construction; and that, as preliminary thereto, a daily overland mail should be promptly established.
Those are internal improvements. Do you know where the Union Pacific Railroad’s eastern terminus is in 1860? Lincoln’s Hill in Omaha, Nebraska. Do you know why it was called Lincoln’s Hill? It was because Abraham Lincoln owned the land that the terminus was built. He got rich off it. Lincoln served as a lawyer for the railroads in between his stints as a politician. He helped set up the combined private and government owned UP railroad that ended up defrauding the taxpayer by millions of dollars with building shoddy track then double charging to repair it.
No, the people that fought the war did so against invasion. Lincoln said he went to war for taxes. Let me give you his inaugural address.
Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States, that by the accession of a Republican Administration, their property, and their peace, and personal security, are to be endangered. There has never been any reasonable cause for such apprehension. Indeed, the most ample evidence to the contrary has all the while existed, and been open to their inspection. It is found in nearly all the published speeches of him who now addresses you. I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.” Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this, and many similar declarations, and had never recanted them. And more than this, they placed in the platform, for my acceptance, and as a law to themselves, and to me, the clear and emphatic resolution which I now read:
Resolved, That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the States, and especially the right of each State to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of power on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depend; and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any State or Territory, no matter what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes.”
Oh he was for slavery and even signed his support the Corwin Amendment. He even rescinded the Fremont Proclamation that freed every single slave in the state of Missouri in 1861 then fired General Fremont for insubordination.
In doing this there needs to be no bloodshed or violence; and there shall be none, unless it be forced upon the national authority. The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the government, and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion — no using of force against or among the people anywhere.
Oh he went to war for taxes. The US federal government did three invasions against South Carolina before April 12, 1861’s defense of Charleston. Invasions are acts of war.
Now you’re going to say that union is forever. I will show you to be wrong by the very men that created these United States.
James Madison being the author of the Constitution and the Virginia Ratification law said this in said ratification.
WE the Delegates of the people of Virginia, duly elected in pursuance of a recommendation from the General Assembly, and now met in Convention, having fully and freely investigated and discussed the proceedings of the Federal Convention, and being prepared as well as the most mature deliberation hath enabled us, to decide thereon, DO in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia, declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression, and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will: that therefore no right of any denomination, can be cancelled, abridged, restrained or modified, by the Congress, by the Senate or House of Representatives acting in any capacity, by the President or any department or officer of the United States, except in those instances in which power is given by the Constitution for those purposes: and that among other essential rights, the liberty of conscience and of the press cannot be cancelled, abridged, restrained or modified by any authority of the United States.
Oh the states can leave when the federal government becomes tyrannical.
I give you President Thomas Jefferson in his first inaugural address and the Declaration of Independence.
We have called by different names brethren of the same principle. We are all republicans: we are all federalists. If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated, where reason is left free to combat it.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Yes, you shouldn’t invent facts to support your delusions.
I replied to you and now I’m having to await approval on my messages.
I gave you all the cites for my position from Lincoln himself and the Republican Party platform of 1860.
Nope actual historical facts.
Actually, the Republican party was created by US, or our ideological ancestors, but early on, they made a deal with the devil, for political expediency, with the WHIGS, the ancestors of the RINOS, and thecoarty has had this schitzophrenic split ever since.
Every so often it would become somewhat opened up, B. Goldwater, R. Reagan, and DJ Trump being the most obvious, but its always been there.
However, THIS time it IS different, in all sorts if ways. In the past, they always made some effort to maintain the pretence that “the party remains neutral, until we have a nominee: hogwash of coarse, but they maintained the ILLUSION; they aren’t even trying, this time.
Incorrect, the Whigs split along sectional lines. The northern ones formed the Republican Party, of which Lincoln was a Whig and viewed Henry Clay as a mentor. The southern Whigs joined the Democrats.
That’s because there is no such thing as Republican OR Democrat anymore. We have choice between the Constitution or Communism.
And there is no organized party for the Constitution.