The classification statement of NOFORN (meaning “no foreign nationals “) is applied to any information that may not be released to any non-U.S. citizen.
The classified documents, as released in the recent NYT/White House/Pentagon storyline, carried the NOFORN designation. That means the source documents describing U.S. geopolitical and intelligence strategies were contained inside U.S. compartmented intelligence silos, prior to their surfacing in the social media platforms as discussed. Keep this in mind. WATCH:
First, the story surfaces from the New York Times. What does that tell us? It tells us the stakeholders in a background narrative surrounding the issue as constructed are domestic intelligence interests. If there was a State Dept stakeholder interest, the story would have been presented by CNN. If there was a U.S. foreign intelligence operation stakeholder interest, the story would have surfaced in the Washington Post.
The story surfaces in the New York Times indicating a U.S. domestic intelligence interest, and the story is sourced directly to the White House via “senior Biden administration officials.” What does that mean? It means the narrative that flows from the story has a direction to shape opinion from the perspective of U.S. government domestic public relations. It means the narrative is intended to sway a domestic audience with a motive toward something else.
Secondly, and in full alignment with the first point, the centerpiece of the story is focused on a leak that surfaces in “social media.” This fits perfectly with the domestic intelligence stakeholders (DHS, National Security Council, etc). We know domestic intelligence operates in the backbone of social media platforms. An example is DHS and domestic Intelligence Community (IC) work as outlined in the Twitter files.
Put them together; a domestic IC product surfaced (being called leaked) into social media platforms containing portals controlled by domestic IC.
The domestic IC then report on the leaks to the outlet used by the domestic IC. See how these fit?
If you follow the bouncing ball, what you immediately suspect is the domestic IC planted the ‘classified information’ in the platforms they can access, then turn around and report on the leak of the classified information to media they use for domestic narrative engineering.
♦ Motive – But why would the IC plant classified information, then turn around and report on the classified information they planted? This is where we remind ourselves how the motives work, against a bigger picture.
The leak (planted information) and then the telling of the leak (NYT story) creates an opportunity for the domestic IC to frame a Russian dis/mis/mal-information narrative.
But why would the IC want to immediately stir up a misinformation or disinformation narrative against Russia?
♦ Answer: Just before the leak/story construct. Two Russian gremlins, perhaps state sponsored, or perhaps just state aligned, tricked former French President Francois Hollande into admitting the U.S. government and western alliance were behind all of the events in Ukraine after 2014, with the expressed intention to construct a proxy war against Russia using Ukraine.
Russian Pranksters Vovan and Lexus, posing as former Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko, got French ex-President Francois Hollande to admit the Minsk Accords were a NATO ruse to militarize Ukraine, and Western nations overthrew Ukraine’s democratically-elected government in 2014. (Full YouTube Conversation)
Must see: Russian pranksters Vovan and Lexus forced Francois #Hollande to tell the truth. Another conspiracy theory proven to be a conspiracy prediction.
Pretending to be the former President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, the pranksters Vovan and Lexus contacted the ex-President… pic.twitter.com/Xwvt4f5A7a
— Mats Nilsson (@mazzenilsson) April 5, 2023
As noted by Gonzalo Lira, “François Hollande, former President of France, confirms that the 2014 coup d’etat in Ukraine was part of a long-term plan to have Ukraine fight a proxy war against Russia. The Americans have been preparing this war since the Obama administration—it is now confirmed beyond doubt.”
The admission by Hollande aligns with every element of the U.S. effort to use Russia as a bad guy, including the use of Russia against Donald J. Trump. A proxy war against Russia was in the works going all the way back to the Euromaidan efforts, the color revolution in Ukraine, as constructed by the U.S. State Department, and facilitated by U.S. allies in Europe.
This is the most explosive dose of geopolitical sunlight in years, and obviously these statements by Hollande were a serious issue for the White House and U.S. Intelligence Community. Hollande was tricked by two Russian pranksters into spilling the real story about Ukraine and U.S. involvement therein.
Now do you see the need? The Hollande admission is an urgent problem.
Less than one news cycle later, the IC dropped the Ukraine counteroffensive strategy in the platforms the IC has access to (a purposeful leak). Then the IC tells the story of the classified strategy leak to the New York Times and begins framing a Russian mis/disinformation campaign. All issues, including the Hollande story, now fall under the same claims of Russian mis/disinformation.
As the narrative is pushed by the compliant media, all of the geopolitical stories are now filtered through the prism of Russian mis/disinformation. Ergo, all of the potentially damaging information, even if accurate and true, is attributed to Russian misinformation operations and subsequently disregarded.
The leak of classified intelligence, and the attribution to Russian misinformation, is like a brushback pitch toward the heads of the media on the explosive Francois Hollande story. It works.
That’s how the control agents operate. Deflection and adverse information removal is what IC operations are intended to control. This ‘leak’ looks like a successful IC operation.
Once you see the strings on the DC marionettes, you can never return to that moment in the performance when you did not see them.
I find it exceedingly difficult to believe anything I read outside of treehouse and only here because an unblemished string of portends come true.
As I have sat cross the table from my Rep Wenstrup and I have seen the glint of the shark’s teeth I trust him not.
He is my Rep as well. He was MIA throughout the virus bru-haha. A doctor, during a medical emergency.
Ditto!
yep, I weight everything against what i learn here in my perch.
Thank you Sundance for Enlightening all of us and the downward chain of info it generates.
You sir are invaluable!
100% agree. If the news doesn’t jive with what we learn here it’s not ripe for consumption, or marred fruit not worthy digesting.
Most often we’ve been exposed to what’s actual months, if not a year or two, before the regular media starts taking about such things.
When I saw the headlines about leaked Ukraine classified info, I did not click on any. I had already ascertained it was most likely deliberate propaganda. Thanks Treehouse!
Actually, its significantly farther than that.
We have sources we can depend on the be accurate, that have CREDIBILITY, ..
REBEL ALLIANCE.
However we also have sites we can DEPEND on, to be uncredible; we KNOW, with a high degree of confidence that what they are saying is FALSE. MSM
And, many formerly relable sources, AMA, ABA, etc. are now reliably uncredible, as well.
So, they spent decades, infiltrating and corrupting these institutions and organisations, in large part because THEY wanted to USE that credibility to gaslight US, and promote their false narratives.
By destroying the credibility OF these Institutions, they have rendered these weopons impotent, likr taking the plutonium out of a warhead, cause ” so what if you control MSM, and Big Tech, if nobody believes them?
But, tell me again how these people are “smart”?
Well Dutchman ‘if nobody believes them’
Wish that were so. No grown ups on here believes them, but sadly about 99% of the sheeple do believe the lyin’yella’ media.
Over here my golf partners who are 100% conservative get ALL their news from the stinkin’ BBC and Murdock’s Sky.
You hit the nail on the head Patrick. The adults who visit CTH are informed and don’t trust the MSM. But to your point, I know many “conservatives” who follow Fox adn a few other MSM outlets as if they are they only organizations that can report the “facts.” Everything else is far right or far left for them….
My how the gaslighting has worked. And has worked so well.
You’re an Aussie, Patrick?? Isn’t there a decent alternative citizen media there?
I rember when I first visited Australia in the mid-70s and 80s, that Aussies were an appropriately skeptical people when it came to the MSM, and POMEs.
Although I must say, your “guys with a badge” were overly authoritarian in customs and migration.
So … What happened?
That is one of the reasons I trust and support DJTrump – he has been proven correct on so much.
The likely purpose became clear when I read “Anticipated Ukrainian Counter-Offensive Potentially Marred By Plans Leak: Reports” at ZH. It’s the perfect excuse for not launching a “conter-offensive” in Ukraine. It’s an excuse for losing.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/over-100-more-classified-docs-appear-online-us-secrets-ukraine-middle-east-china
Exactly.
These clowns already lost and Russia won. They just don’t want to admit it. Meanwhile, clowns like Mike McCaul want to send more young Orthodox Christian Ukrainian Soldiers to the Russian meat grinder as if 300,000 dead Ukrainians isn’t enough for him!
From troublemaker 10
https://telegra.ph/Merkel-Spills-Beans-on-How-US-and-NATO-Partners-Planned-War-in-Ukraine-Against-Russia-12-09
Excuse me, but what has been won and lost in this Not-A-Conflict aka a Legally Declared War by Congress?
All I see is a problem with almost every politician, politico, corporate globalists, government “employees” (that are not accountable for ANYTHING under this illegal government) that are habitual TRAITORS and spies [or aiding and abetting thereof] that need to be removed for the Constitution to be restored.
Come on man. One of our local conservative radio talk show hosts tells his audience at least once a week that Russia is losing badly in Ukraine.
All caught with the same hook. Using the same falling apart bait. Brought in on the same worn out line and at this point in time, the sinker, has fallen off. So stale bait, floating worn out line, and yet the fish around us still strike the hook and are reeled in by the MSM with no effort what so ever.
My thoughts as well.
“Gee, we were all prepared, with plenty of trained up troops and equipment, to launch a robust spring offensive, but now that the russians know our plans because of this leak, we have lost the element of surprise, which was key to our plans!
So, the spring offensive is cancelled!”
NOT because they knew everyone, including the Russians would expect a ‘spring offensive’ and in both personelle and material, they are scraping the bottom of the barrel, and simply don’t have the resources, oh no!/sarc.
They said early on, they would not fight or win this war with bombs and bullets, but thru (basically) P.R. and propoganda, “because thats who we are”.
LOL, they are idiots of the highest order.
They also see that US public opinion is turning against the Ukraine war!
You are right! Beginning to look like Syria.
So are those with Ukraine flags still in their yards, on their social media, and on their cars not patting attention? Or do they literally need someone to tell them- change your emoji, there’s a new “thing of the day” and Google, Apple, and Samsung are all working on the emoji as we speak.
Yep. What you said.
Controlled PSYOP BS of the day.
And yet Ukraine flags in our neighbor’s windows, yards, and on their cars. Yay!! They say. Go Ukraine they shout and then turn around and take a dookie on Old Glory. Idiots are everywhere.
The idiots have been bleating about a spring offensive and taking back Crimea for weeks, and now suddenly the cats out of the bag? LMAO.
I wouldn’t assume cancelled means cancelled. Russia isn’t leaving; they, not we, have skin in the game.
Spilling the beans; a face saver. Next:abandoning Ukraine to assure walking away from war will elect a Democrat War Monger in the US (re) elections in 2024. The Bible tells us nations will choose sides (happening now) and then comes a world war.
It is not news in 2023 or 2020 or 2015 that Obama overthrew the 2014 Ukrainian Natl. election. Obama runs the elections in nation after nation since 2008. Ask Al Sisi in Egypt, Bolsonaro supporters in Brazil, Trump supporters in USA, the Libyans who loved Omar Gaddafi; Obama failed in Syria because he doesn’t know the Bible; that victory belongs to Israel.
Greedy expendable Zelensky abused Ukrainians, scattered their families and marched 300k untrained future Fathers to death without a war strategy. The quicker they die the lower the payroll, the more for Zelensky. Blood money stained on Biden, Obama, Zelensky’s hands.
Obama will toss Zelensky to Putin. Obama doesn’t get his hands dirty. The US can’t kill Zelensky without the stigma of abandonment or of another sloppy multi Billion dollar failed war intended to
1) weaken our weaponary defense on US soil and 2) weaken our economic ability for defense on US soil.
I predict “Biden’s” (Obama’s next bright move) will give Zelensky to Putin who will deliver bombs not tanks and dollars. This will be necessary to appease 2024 US Voters.
2024 is already about Trump supporters, not Ukraine. Trump was a no-war President. Biden must shift to a no-war President. Obama’s personality will shift blame for the war away from Democrats.
Obama and his/Their, sick plan for “the necessary redistribution of wealth” facilitated by his endless bloody coups as a front for his planeloads of our cash and our weapons and our men, will pause-a-war for votes.
Watch, as mention of the USA at war anywhere is omitted from debates.
Money laundering and puppetry will become heavily veiled. Temporarily. To deceive Voters.
It’s an excuse for increased censorship of the Internet, and of social media in particular. The Restrict Act.
There can be very few people at the Pentagon, and likely fewer still outside the Pentagon, who seriously believe that Russia hasn’t the technical means to detect movements of personnel and major weaponry within Ukraine. Whether plans for such movements are leaked is largely irrelevant. Russia will know about them from observing them, first-hand, via sensors, drones, human spies, and satellite imagery, and also from signals intelligence and patterns detection.
Ammo stores are dangerously low, and China is saber rattling!
Gee you know it almost seems like Joe planned it this way.
The only thing I have seen is China brokering peace deals between countries…Yemen is the latest.
And making trade deals.
Saber rattling….no that is the US.
My ammo stores are just fine, thank you!
And why exactly would you tell your enemy what you’re going to do (spring offensive) and where you will attack (Crimea)? Are these people really this arrogant and incompetent? Sadly, the answer is yes.
Marred by not having any air defense systems left.
Ukraine officials were recently in Greece trying to get Greece to give up their air defense. Greece said..no.
The talking head bleated that it was the biggest intelligence leak in decades.
You can be sure this “leak” will portend some expensive, heavy handed, previously engineered, liberty stripping legislation, that will slither through congress quicker than John Podesta, on his way to a drag queen story hour.
😳 “They” are determined to make our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren bleed for “Their” globalist death 👿☠️ Cult agenda.
👉 Correction….
“They” already are murdering them because after all, “They” are indeed, “enemies foreign and domestic” .👈
Truly, were our Founders prescient, as that term from the Constitution so perfectly describes our enemies, “foreign AND domestic” ,..notice its not “foreign OR domestic”?
Our Founders understood quite well, that WORDS MATTER.
Yes they did. They had Noah Webster go over EVERY word for meaning of intent. That was 1787. He wrote his first dictionary in 1828.
They knew how to speak & write & use the English language well & properly; we’ve been dumbed down out of that knowledge, a lot. The dictionary used to be enormous – I have an old one… now it’s much much smaller.
“My favorite book is the dictionary, because it has all the other books in it.” ~HP
What’s really pathetic about our intelligence agencies including the CIA, NSA, DIA and FBI is not only do they routinely lie to the American people, they routinely lie to the President of the United States as well as lie to each other. There is nothing that any of these agencies tell us that I believe. In fact, you can almost go to the bank with the exact opposite of whatever they are saying!
California Joe: This story is intended to keep the cat chasing its tail.
And they don’t even lie well.
It’s like Jim Cramer financial advice, do the opposite.
I didnt really get why Cramer was still on TV until I saw a ZH commenter say the big players need you to hold the bag, and Jim Cramer is finding them the bag holders. Agencies tell us one thing while making schmucks out of anyone that listens to them.
Exactly. That’s how I find the truth: The exact opposite of whatever “they” say.
NOT a successful operation.
I never heard about how these pranksters tricked Hollande, or what he said, until this “leak” story ‘broke’, and frankly probably wouldn’t have ever heard of it.
A classic case of “methinks thou,..” as their loud distraction actuall has the opposite effect.
Ultimately, “the strings” we need to SEE, are not the ones controlling the talking heads and politicos, they are the ones controlling US.
And, while its all about “controlling/manipulating Public Opinion” the key to any manipulation is EMOTION.
Those strings coming down from above, pull on our “heart strings”; they trigger STRONG emotional responces, because they know that is THE key to any manipulation.
Cut the strings,..
Dutchman….they even pranked Bush awhile back!
This is 2023, the world is wrapped in cell phone realities where I can call someone more than half way around the planet in less than 30 seconds! In other words…these are my neighbors. Putin warned in 2014 that NATO with America was encroaching toward Russia’s borders and he would not stand for that. Recent American history would suggest Ukraine was a wild country where fortunes could be made (ask the Bidens for a starter). Ukraine was a corrupt country, may still be.
Think of those millions crossing our southern border. Many from Central America and South America. Think American foreign policy for the last 100 years toward our southern hemisphere. Think about the last 50 years of State Department behavior toward those countries. Keep in mind the television series “Bonanza” was playing all over South America and Central America, mostly in bars, probably in black and white. Think of their government structures, mostly strong over weak in nature, have and have nots…weak middle class.
Bring “democracy” to Central and South America, was that not the goal of our foreign policy, at least told to the American people? Enter a Dr. Phil moment: “How’s that working out for ya all in the United States?” Look again at our southern border and see those illegals by the millions running across into America…why?
State Department failure for sure…long term. Perhaps wrong think at work for decades. Now add that game plan and look again at Russia. Why is Russia today our enemy and why are the democrats making Russia our punching bag? Note how many in Washington, DC have family members in our military (that should not take long in counting!).
Ask the average American citizen who keeps up with the news somewhat if he or she would want the Russians (and let’s throw in the Chinese, even the North Koreans…hell, even the Iranians) to be our friends?
Keep in mind that America is made up with people from all over this planet, we are a true “melting pot” in so many ways, now forgotten or demanding we forget this by the democrats. Why the obvious disconnect from these realities?
Change our game plan within the State Department; within our concept of foreign policy we need new perspectives, perspectives that go way beyond just labeling another country an enemy. We need to begin to talk to the citizens in those countries in such a way that they realize we want to be friends, to share with each other, to work with each other, to compete with all, to laugh and cry with each other, to advance in our quality of life working together.
It begins with our elected leaders. Throw the present bums out, replace them with real, quality leaders who share a vision that admits “we are one world” in so many ways. Idealistic for sure, but what does one do with dreams but put action into play to achieve them.
Make that call on your cell phone, begin a chain of common sense!
PS. This is Easter. Isn’t the message of Jesus one of love toward all?
Why does Sundance keep refusing to appear before Congress and tell them everything he knows? Why is he hiding out in a foreign country and isnt extradited back to the U.S. for interrogation before Congressional committees of the subcommittee party of the first part? All this blockbuster information he posts here is being withheld from the watchdogs in Congress and the American people. Why does he refuse the requests from Jim “I Am Trey Gowdy With Sleeves Rolled Up” Jordan? What is Sundance hiding? Congress has a right to get to the bottom of this.
Do you have some disability that prevents you from doing it? I’m sure Sundance doesn’t mind you sharing what he writes here!
Mike, you can’t just “walk” into a committee meeting in Congress. You must be invited/subpoenaed to appear. Sundance has neither avenue – precisely because Congress doesn’t want to hear what he knows. He is the town crier, from the parapets and the watch towers. I listen, you listen, many others listen. But our hands are not on the levers of power….yet.
Sundance is Paul Revere. It’s up to us to listen to his warnings and fight the enemy. Start by waking up the locals and work our way up.
The bigger question is why are you trying so hard….with inaccurate information, no less….to discredit Sundance?
The information he imparts to us must get in the way of your agenda.
Mike,
Sundance went to DC a couple of years ago. You can read his after-action report on the blog at your leisure.
We were never told the whole of it. Our action plan never came to fruition and I don’t know why for sure. At this point just have to guess. Yes we can all repeat what we learn here and forward the info….I have hundreds of times only to be ignored. The only time I get a email from my rep is when it is something big talked about in the fake Media. Got a email on a couple of issue ….digital money…..which stated he will take my concerns into consideration….Idiots all.
Huh?
To the best of my knowledge, Sundance lives in Florida. His house was severely damaged in Hurrican Ian last year.
Weell, Florida WAS painted (falsely) as MAGA Country, and so a foreign land,..but still.
Been wondering for awhile if Mike needs to STEP AWAY FROM THE TRUCK, and check it for exhaust leaks, as this is not the first comment of his, thats been a real head scratcher.
Is there a town called Florida that is located in Russia?
I’m trying to figure out where Big Mike’s overactive imagination is traveling to ? 🤔
Maybe Mike’s confusing Moscow Roosia with Moscow Idahooo.
Or Moscow, PA.
Mike I wish it weren’t so but you must include the sarc tag.
Uninformed troll.
And he thinks we are as ‘uninformed’ regarding Sundance and the crap he just spewed as he is.
You must have missed SD’s attempt to inform several congressional leaders for which he was rebuked. DC corruptocrats are NOT the American people’s allies.
Mike in a Truck, irony may not be the most successful way of making a point, it’s sometimes read literally.
You needed the sarc notation.
Apparently you missed Sundance’s trip to Washington, DC in July, 2020. I’ll leave you the link to his arrival….finding and reading about the results is up to you.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2020/07/23/you-simply-cannot-imagine-the-amount-of-abject-misery-in-this-place/
Why would you look to try to give help
From the people who are enabling this corruption in any way?
You think the Republicans like Jordan want to succeed?
Are you insane?
Seriously
You might as ask for cement shoes while your at it!
Why don’t you volunteer
To be the proxy to do it yourself?
To put someone like Sundance out there like
With that demand and accusation is sort of offensive !
No
It is offensive
Just
Like a Demon named Greta
Squeeled
How Dare You 😤
Hey Big Mike–is it really you or is it your alter ego Big Mike aka Moochelle?
I thought that you were being sarcastic because Congress and most of DC really does not want to know of anything about the truth. But after reading the replies, I guess that I am in the minority.
It sounds, to me, that you are mocking how “difficult” it is for Congress to get Sundance in front of them (foreign country instead of Florida). You are appearing to “blame” Sundance for “refusing to appear before Congress” when we all know that it is Congress DOES NOT WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. You are mocking Jim “Investigations to Nowhere” Jordan who never found a prosecution or firing for any of the people he has “grilled” in a Senate “hearing”.
I stand by initial assessment that you are being sarcastic.
Mike, buddy, I think you been drivin’ around in that truck with a leaky exhaust system and the fumes have been seeping into your cab
Suggest you pull over and disembark and take a breather for awhile
Wow, Mike. It’s 2 days after you posted the comment above, and I cannot believe how many responders below missed the “/s” that you deliberately left out.
Do some here not yet understand that the entire purpose of SD’s sojourn of one full week in DC, during the 1st summer of covid, before the ’20 Steal, was to inform the resident tribes?
These pages are open and available to ANYONE & EVERYONE who wants to learn the truth. The last thing the DC squadrons want is Sundance, in front of a committee, sworn to tell the whole truth.
Just replace “Intelligence” with “Idiot” and “I/C” still fits just fine.
An objective review of their publically available track record, shows a consistent pattern of failure over many, many years.
Continueing to do the same thing, over and over expecting different results IS insane.
At the point of expanding the call to disband the FBI, to disbanding the entire I/C, as just like the FBI, the downside of disbanding is now outweighed by the unacceptable downside of keeping it in place, or fruitless attempts to restore or repair it.
My wife and I sat down and watched “Enemy of The State” yesterday. I was amazed she had never seen it before. She sat there mesmerized and asked me when this movie was made. When I told her she couldn’t believe this was available back in 1998. I just laughed.
To cut a long story short. I couldn’t help but imagine that what we need now is a Gene Hackman character, or maybe a half a dozen or so to weed out the traitors and straighten this country out.
Sidebar comment – an underrated Gene Hackman movie The Conversation. Directed by Francis Ford Coppola between The Godfather and The Godfather II
Somewhat prophetic moving about privacy, surveillance etc … Watch it if you get a chance.
my recommendation for movies in this vein is The Lives of Others.
It is horrible to contemplate that the power of the State can be used against am innocent person thanks to the pique of some bureaucrat.
“Shadow On The Land” (1968) An ABC Movie of the Week.
If we DO have one or more such patriots, you would NEVER know.
Can someone convince me we aren’t headed straight for WWIII? Please.
Putin knows the NATO and west are out of talent and ammo. No nuke war when he can just wait things out. If pooty wanted to destroy Europe all he would have to do is destroy every gas pipeline on the continent and, poof, Europe goes back to the dark ages in 1 month.
Exactly. Paraphrasing an old adage: Stay out of the way when your enemy is going out of their way to destroy themselves.
Biden has already started that process.
Duck and cover, kids. Poor tots forced to endure mass shooting training at school and soon it’ll be “duck and cover” training. Yikes.
As I wrote recently: The fight between the US and Russia, China, and the rest is really a conflict of economic systems, finance capitalism against the more traditional ethic and strategy of industrial capitalism.
It’s about dollar hegemony and the dollar as reserve currency. The US is the world’s largest trade deficit country. We pay for all the imports in dollars. Exporting countries use the dollars for international trade and use them to buy Treasury bills and bonds. Foreigners buy our public debt. This system is beginning to collapse.
Foreign countries now see that the US can simply steal a country’s US dollars, if the US dislikes what a country does. It happened to Russia and to others. Also, countries are now trading in currencies other than the dollar. Bottom line here is that there is less reason now for a country to want dollars. There will be less dollars available to buy our public debt.
To prevent the loss of the dollar hegemony is worth war, and even the risk of nuclear war. Not to any sane and rational person, but to Congress and their benefactors. First, they need us to hate Russia and China, and make us think they are evil. China is the weaker country, and that is the one they are zeroing in on.
Sorry, but I think the danger of war is real. War talk is mostly from the US. I think Russia and China are afraid. They are not sure that they are dealing with rational people and are preparing for anything.
Doubt it. 45 has spoken.
https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/110170048855978915
“ The admission by Hollande aligns with every element of the U.S. effort to use Russia as a bad guy, including the use of Russia against Donald J Trump. A proxy war against Russia was in the works going all the way back to the Euromaidan efforts, the color revolution in Ukraine, as constructed by the U.S. State Department, and facilitated by U.S. allies in Europe.”-Sundance
I don’t remember ever voting for this “color revolution” to be staged in the Ukraine in order to wage a proxy war against Russia! No wonder Vindman and the deep state tried to get President Trump impeached! When that didn’t work they had to rig the 2020 election or there wouldn’t be a proxy war against Russia if President Trump got re-elected! It all makes sense now! Thank you Sundance! Our deep state needs to be destroyed to never rise again! Godspeed President Trump and Sundance! I’m praying that Operation Sunlight begins tomorrow and is successful! God help us! Hosanna!
Coulter on Vindman…..
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/10/30/ann-coulter-hes-a-one-man-ukrainian-lobby/
I really suspect Vindman is the leaker!!!
It wont matter
None of it ever does
It pains me to concur.
Welcome to another episode of American IC induced M$M fart-sniffing Gaslite!
Fascists gotta fasc..
Nothing advances and promotes the power of the State like war. Orwell, and so many others, have discussed this.
Our previous strain of leftists pretended to love peace. They held peace marches at times and places where there was no war.
Now? If the State wants war, the Left is all in.
1) If indeed it is one of the “biggest intelligence breaches in decades” and our enemies can “learn what our techniques are to gather information,” and Biden, et al, in order to cover their malfeasance beginning in 2014, just gave it to them regardless of those consequences. Russia knows if they did it; and if not, they’ve just rec’d a treasure trove courtesy of treasonous Democrats and Deep State.
2) Notice that Wenstrup is quick to repeat Pentagon talking points that the ‘leak’ is genuine but altered to overstate UKR losses and minimize RU losses. No mention from Wenstrup that they could also be accurate. But what would you expect from someone who support the war?
The Ukraine’s have lost 300,000 men already. Russia has destroyed three Ukrainian Armies and the last one in Bakhmut was mostly Polish. In fact, most Ukrainian soldiers die without ever seeing a Russian! These Republicans must think we’re all idiots!
Joe,
I believe that is one of the reasons why they are trying to shut down social platforms.
They can no longer control the narrative and the propaganda.
If all people do is watch MSM news…they have no idea of what is going on in the geopolitical world.
Or even in our own country!
I don’t believe they CAN “shut down social media platforms” which is why they took control of ALL of them, and insured the ones they took control of, would be monopololies.
Whether in thevmarketplace of goods and sevices, or the marketplace of ideas, Conmunist can not compete, so in order to survive they MUST cheat.And eliminating any competition (monopoly) again in either market, is the only way.
Conmunism is a con, and Globalism version is just re-packaged “marxism” i.e. World wide Conmunism, to eliminate any competing system (because again, they can not compete).
I say we need to investigate the investigation with real investigators paid for by the government and their federal investigators. This will surely lead to more investigations.
The information isn’t even true.
Russian military in disarray? Nope.
High KIA of Russians? Nope.
A psyop to keep the funding going and US citizen support? Definitely.
They pranked another ex-president (Bush) into admitting the US has double-dealed with Russia since the USSR fell. Waived off with a, “Times change” dismissal.
So are these guys the European James O’Keefe?
I think of them that way!
Different approach…but end result is that they get the truth out!
This could also serve an additional purpose.
If you’re looking to censor social media and there are bills pending, like the “TikTok ban,” you leak sensitive information to social media and then argue that social media needs to be censored, in order to control the spread of such leaks.
It would be like Operation Fast and Furious.
Pretty astute possibility
A simple counter arguement to the whole mis,dis, mal foolishness.
Name ONE time, in HISTORY, when those doing the censoring, were “the good guys”?
EVERY time, it has been the tyrants, never “the good guys”.
He says Russia is spreading this “disinformation” because they’re “losing” the war, ROTFLMAO. These liars have no shame.
Westrup “gets in his Biden digs” on Bidens classified docs scandal, to establish his (fake) Conservative bono fides, and the prattles on with the Uniparty company line.
Points out “the documents APPEAR to have bern altered” because they show Uraine vs Russis troop estimates as being different from what the party line has bern saying (and much closer to what Col. McGregor has been saying.
WHY does he say “appear to have been altered”?
If what he is presenting as truth, IS truth, they HAVE been altered.
And then he says “America is united, there is support on both sides if the aisle,..”
Yeah, right! America, increasingly on the left as well as MAGA, doesn’t recognise either aisle as representing them, but keep spewing the B.S. and further destroying crediility!
“Is for to laugh!”
Did you notice just as he started to talk,there was no chaos in the Aghan withdrawal.
“All will know sedition once in the open,” said Cicero. What did the Romans do about it?
One could hope that the “leaker” was not deep IC, but a new-born Daniel Ellsberg, who could not sleep at night knowing the truth. He had to leak it, just like the Pentagon Papers in ‘Nam. The public’s right to know about war vs. the national security interest. Our Consitution of rule by, for, and of, the People. They can’t be left out of the “issue to important for just Generals.”
This is the ultimate question of any Republic, but it is clear from the classics, that a state that fights tyranny, sometimes becomes the embodiment of the former enemy. How many SOF do we have in Ukraine risking an incognito thermo-nuclear war? Does the public have a right to know? Is there a General Belisarius in the Pentagon?
Bill Ayers has an article eulogizing Ellsberg who has inoperable pancreatic cancer. I went there yesterday to see what he writes. Still the old Commie as ever.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason for this leak is that there’s a faction within the IC who fully understand that a Ukrainian offensive would amount to a kamikaze attack that would accelerate the inevitable collapse of Ukraine’s armed forces. This faction may wish to force the rest of the IC directing Ukraine’s war effort to abandon their planned offensive. If the goal is to prolong the war as long as possible, the correct thing for the Ukrainians to do is to husband whatever resources they have and prepare their defenses ahead of the coming Russian offensive. This will still result in Ukraine’s defeat, but it will take longer to happen and will be costlier for the Russians.
Another possibility is that the IC, or a faction within it, have decided that they need to start trickling the truth to the American public so they’re not too shocked, given that they’ve been told that Ukraine has been kicking butt and that the Russians are in total disarray, when Ukraine’s military suddenly collapses, which is probably going to happen later this year.
your 2nd paragraph, I think
And I will add- what Russian advancements? There have been none since they accomplished exactly what they said they would do when they first addressed the UN after teh intitial invasion. Amazing. They did as they said and are doing as they are saying..
It’s the West that has gotten themselves into a pickle. All Russia has to do is bide time.
SD, you have to show people how this works. Until you demonstrate it, most people will not be able to really grasp what you are saying.
It sounds like it would be fairly straight forward to demonstrate.
It will take about 15 people, each playing a part, and an audience of maybe 50+ people, and videotape the whole thing, each step of the process.
Step 1) have two people role play a two-minute version of the prank call to Hollande, where Hollande makes the admissions. The audience watches, and the video camera records the whole scene, including the audience watching the scene.
Step 2) three people represent the 3 prospective leak facilitators, NYT (domestic intel leaks), CNN (State Dept. leaks) and WaPo (U.S. foreign intel operation leaks). Have each person wear a shirt to represent the agency, i.e., ‘NYT’, ‘CNN’ and ‘WaPo’, along with a person representing each of the major MSM outlets (ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, PBS, Fox News, MSNBC, etc.)
Step 3) have a person play the role of a U.S. domestic intelligence agent (wearing a T-shirt saying ‘NSA’ or ‘FBI’ or ‘DIA’ or whichever domestic intel agency is applicable). Show the domestic intelligence agent meet with a couple other agents to plan a response to the Hollande admission, the plan being to ‘leak’ disinformation to discredit the Hollande admissions on Twitter (for example) as disinformation
Step 4) show the agent implementing the plan, planting the disinformation ‘narrative’ on Twitter, and then show the agent calling his contact at the NYT to ‘report’ the ‘leak’ the agent just planted on Twitter.
Step 5) show the NYT writer typing up a story based on what the domestic intelligence agent said. Then show the story appearing in the next day’s edition of the NYT
Step 6) show all of the other MSM outlets reporting the NYT story practically verbatim. Have someone behind a CNN podium or desk relay the disinformation story, then someone behind a MSNBC podium relay the disinformation story, then someone behind a Fox News desk do it, then someone sitting at a CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS and NPR desk tell the audience the same story, in succession.
The audience will probably be agitated by the 3rd time hearing the same story, that’s good, keep doing it, until the audience has heard the same story at least 7 times from 7 different MSM ‘sources’.
At this point, probably 20 minutes has passed from the start (the original Hollande interview re-enactment) and the 7+ repetitions of the disinformation story reframing the Hollande interview.
Step 7) pass out a brief questionnaire to each member of the audience, asking questions designed to elicit the person’s perceptions of the facts about the Hollande revelations.
If the exercise works as hoped or expected, the audience’s replies to the questionnaire will show something like 70+ percent having a medium to strong impression based on the 7+ repetitions of the domestic intelligence agent’s disinformation story, while maybe only 10% will be able to endure the repetitive disinformation and maintain a perception based on the original facts of the Hollande interview at the beginning of the entire exercise
Sort of like a variation of telling one person a ‘secret’ and to pass it on, and when it gets to the 10th or 20th or 30th person, the story has changed quite a bit from the original message to be passed on.
If you can demonstrate HOW people are being manipulated, by re-enacting the basic process, and SHOW people how easily the majority in a real audience can be manipulated and misled by this basic process, people will ‘get it’ in a way that most of them are never going to grasp by reading an article about it here on CTH (or anywhere else).
They have to SEE the magician do his trick, in order to understand how the ‘magic trick’ works.
The benefit of recording a live event of this nature is that once it has been recorded, it can be published anywhere (here, published on youtube, on Rumble, etc.), and everyone who reads here at CTH can send the link to other people in their own social circles.
When people SEE how a magician’s trick works, they can’t be fooled by it anymore, because their mind is more interested in knowing how the trick works, and being able to explain it to others, than being deceived by the trick.
For most people, none of that works from reading an article about it.
SEEING is believing.
I’m sure the basic idea needs to be polished somewhat, or some trial and error may be necessary in order to get the desired result, but once something like that is completed, it should be a very effective tool to open the eyes of the public to what is being done to them, and most importantly, how.
You could even do a panel discussion afterwards, in front of the audience, using the people who played the roles, explaining why it is such an effective technique, and taking questions from the audience.
I definitely think it is misdirection. It could be covering up the Francois Hollande call with Vovan and Lexus, but I have come to think that there is more misdirection than that. Perhaps it has to do with the persistently proclaimed Ukrainian spring offensive.
That is an event where US intelligence would like to give bad information to Russia and are pretending being “worried” about the leaked information. I don’t think this is to give an excuse for calling off the offensive. I think it is because this spring offensive is so urgent for Ukraine. If it doesn’t succeed, there does not seem to be a plan B. The western countries are tired of the war and the billions being spent with current economic problems. I don’t think that any western country now sees a big win for themselves if Ukraine can’t push back the Russians significantly.
Prighozhin (of Wagner) said in the last couple of days not to underestimate the Ukrainian troops. That the Ukrainians have between 200,000 – 400,000 soldiers that are being held for this offensive, a good many of them NATO trained.
Training has been taking place in Germany, the UK, and the US. There are estimated to be about 40,000 NATO-trained troops in those reserves. The Leopard and Challenger tanks have not been spotted on the battlefields yet. Neither have the US armored vehicles. Most of the equipment that is being destroyed in Bakmut seems to be things received earlier from various NATO countries with very few losses of tanks.
I also don’t think we can adequately judge now why the plans were leaked. I think looking back later, we may.
Alexander Christoforu on his YouTube podcast this morning made an interesting point…..
Ben Wallace (UK) made remark about 97% of Russian forces already in Ukraine. (BS) That figure is also in the documents.
And Ben Wallace made the remark about the same time these documents were supposedly made.
It was actually a clown world segment on his podcast at the time the comment was made.
That gives great possibility that the documents have been floating around for quite awhile. And consensus is that the documents are legit. Flawed and outdated-but still legit.
The podcast was..as usual..really good this morning.
A close friend is Russian. Close friends of his are Ukrainians in the Ukraine. He communicated the following anecdotal evidence of a Ukrainian collapse of its war front with Russia: the military and other volunteers are dropping their weapons and heading west for safer ground. In their minds the war is over and there will be no counter offensive. Let’s see how true that is. In light of the Noforn leaks I’m encouraged. What another colossal waste of human life and finite resources.
Was listening to this morning’s Alex Christoforou (of The Duran) video, 36 min. and the more he talked it became apparent that he was red-pilling himself discovering that which Sundance has been sharing with us, especially today’s post on these leaks.
It was fun to watch him come to similar understanding.
My question is, now that the world knows the western aligned nations have run out of their backup arsenals, when reading how China now has Taiwan encircled –
is it safe to assume that the Chinese have completed their taking of Taiwan like they did Hong Kong and the world just hasn’t acknowledged it yet?
Won’t they use the story to try to cancel some social media “source?”
I am thinking telegram or twitter.
They have lost control of those two.
I don’t know if Sundance reads/follows remarks here in the Treehouse, and I know what the response will be from others (because obviously I’m a Deep State plant), but for me the timeline of this release doesn’t fit the, “Oh snap! Hollande!” narrative if one is to believe other reporting.
Some of these docs were allegedly out in the world starting perhaps as early as January.
I’m not saying Hollande’s admission isn’t a problem. What I’m questioning is whether the documents are related.
Excellent analysis and a perfect example of why I keep coming to CTH several times a day. Thank you, Sundance. I hope you and your team have enjoyed your Easter fellowships.
The only secrets America seems to keep is those that protect the criminal political class from the people.
Everything else is for sale. With so many traitors, subversives and commie sellouts it is impossible to keep the Republic.
Another rabbit hole hoax for the fake news junkies.
All backed up by comments after the Twitter post. The story begins of Russian disinformation.
Vindman and Farkas! Part of the IC!
Soon as I saw the NYT involved (RED FLAG). Those damn pranksters are great. They also just pretended to be Zelensky and conned Lagarde into admitting CBDC plans.
the amount of statecraft, dishonest, propaganda, corruption …. is just sickening to anyone who just wants to be left alone and live a normal life.
Biden will not go to the coronation because he hates the UK.
But he is going to N Ireland to stir shite.
So this happens:
New IRA plotting major bomb terror attack to upstage Biden’s visit to Northern Ireland
The New IRA is reportedly planning a terror attack to overshadow US President Joe Biden’s visit to Northern Ireland this week, according to local reports.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1756445/Joe-biden-president-ira-bomb-plot-northern-ireland-dxus?pure360.trackingid=c647767c-194f-4893-8694-3f0f804172a6
I hope they do it while he’s there…
Macron’s admission has been headline news 24×7 for days since it first broke by all the U.S. MDM-MSM outlets, right?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA. At least we have one actual journalist — among maybe a handful — in the house with Sundance …
MNN BREAKING NEWS…
17 OBIDEN INTEL AGENCIES ALL AGREE THAT THE LEAKS CAME FROM DNC STAFFER SETH RICH.
THE BODY IS NOW BEING EXHUMED SO HILLARY CAN SHOOT HIM AGAIN.
OFFICIAL WASHINGTON WILL OBSERVE THE EVENT WITH A SOLEMN DAY OF PRETENDING AND ERSATZ RUSSIA-BLAMING, JUST LIKE LAST TIME.
Manufactured News Network: “We Have Information That Could Lead To the Arrest and Convic
Rest in the Vine: Red Pill Express
How did George Soros’ son score so many WH meetings?
I just read an excellent break down of the leaked documents. The author tells exactly what is in the documents and what the numbers and troops information mean. My condensed summation is that the documents show how the Ukrainian military is lacking in terms of weapons, artillery rounds, armored vehicles.
He leaves it open whether this is accurate information or a cover-up. He gives reasons for each assessment, true or not true. Well worth reading.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/major-nato-plans-for-ukraine-leaked
Seems like just now other media sights are getting what Sundance has been saying for years.
https://dailycaller.com/2023/04/09/google-twitter-meta-tiktok-crawling-hundreds-former-feds/
I’m still of the view that this is all about the most important area of interest to the US Government, control of the US population, not Ukraine.
Congress is trying to push through the RESTRICT Act which would allow the use of the criminal justice system to shut down free speech, instead of just relying on the cancelling and banning they have been using for the last 7 years. Rand Paul thankfully blocked the attempt to fast track it.
So last week Top Secret documents were released about war plans in Ukraine etc. Documents that will in the cold light of day (given Russia’s intelligence operations) have very little effect on what is going to happen there
Now the MSM is screaming about all the harm that has been done and the Pentagon has announced that it is going after the leakers.
Coincidence? I think not.
So, to break the backs of the IC-
Just ignore and keep reporting. It’s a simple but yet so difficult to execute plan for some of the idiots out there in media land.
Here is an alternative for motive (and there can be mulitple motives): Ukraine is not ready for a counteroffensive. Admitting that would be strategically unwise, would weaken popular support for the regime in Kiev, and weaken Western support/arms/money. So leak some half-baked information. Because of the leak, plans have to be changed, spies ferreted out, and … action delayed.
Thank you, Sundance, for making it all crystal clear.
A different take ….
Judging Freedom Interview (Napolitano – McGovern)Can Leaks Prevent More War in Ukraine or Taiwan? Ray McGovern
Whoever leaked the documents they’re talking about wanted the truth to get out to the American people instead of the non-stop lies we get from the likes of General Milley and diversity hire Lloyd Austin. The leaker is an American hero . . .
Is it too late already? Russia and China are really frightened at what could happen and how Putin was duped about Minsk. If they think they could get away with first strikes on the US and UK they might do it. They have more advanced missiles but just need to make more.