After the western alliance previously swore that NATO would not put any member NATO state on the doorstep of Russia, a promise that was weak and viewed by many as false – ultimately influencing the decision by Russia, NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg said today that Ukraine will be joining NATO as soon as the conflict is concluded.
Now, given that statement, why would Russia even fathom entering any type of peaceful resolution to the conflict. In essence, Stoltenberg has just turned the conflict in Ukraine into a zero-sum issue for Russia. The only way Russia can keep NATO away from its border is to win violently against Ukraine. WATCH (00:42 prompted):
Do you really believe the United States would be okay with Russia establishing forward military bases in Mexico or Canada? Why should Russia permit U.S. and NATO military bases on its borders?
We almost went to war when Russia was assisting Cuba with weapons and missiles, and the U.S. will not permit any Russian interests in North America. Why should Russia accept U.S. interests on their doorstep?
NATO is a FILTHY Terrorist Organization that actively antagonizes Russia.
NATO is FAR more dangerous to you and your family than the TALIBAN, or any islamic cult.
But, yay! Ucrane. Democracy!
Now we must dismantle NATO. And fast, before this ends all our lives.
All this is done to cover for EVIL, Corrupt Criminals like Biden, Nuland, Obama, Clinton. ALL SHOULD HANG!
I’m freakin raging about these irresponsible morons provoking Putin.
Poor Putin. He’s such a sensitive soul, and so easily provoked and manipulated. boo hoo
You should get a rifle and bayonet and go over and get on the Uke frontlines yourself. Then you can tell us all about provocation.
Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around.
Actually, Ukraine has spent the last 8 years (and more) culling Russian ethnics in the Donbass region. Understand why the Minsk Agreement was formed in the first place, why the US overthrew an elected Ukrainian president in 2014 and installed their own puppet, and why the EU sponsors didn’t enforce Minsk from 2014 to 2022. Then you can wonder why Ukraine had built up a military front at the Donbass border, ready to attack on March 1. Russia preempted that attack. They are not the bad guys here. We are.
100% correct
Bingo
Russia invaded Ukraine years ago and flew soldiers into Crimea who voted to secede from Ukraine. They also did the same in the eastern parts and the Southeast approaches to Crimea for a land bridge.
The night before the secession election in eastern Ukraine, a car was found abandoned with half a million filled-out ballots in Russia’s favor.
There are no good guys in this war.
Finding ballots in the back of cars is sop for elections.
In suitcases also.
And in drop boxes!
It was a part of Russia for at least 100 years.
I once counted Crimea being conquered over 35 times through the years. I might just be the most invaded property on earth.
Putin wants a southern warm water port so they took it.
Russia already has a port in the Black Sea. The US/NATO does not.
The US does not need a port in Crimea, cold or warm.
Crimeans themselves consider themselves Russian.
Did you ever wonder why such a big deal is being made in the west, regarding Crimea? Of course, ‘democracy’ dictates that we don’t care that the people in Crimea actually voted to be in the Russian Federation, and are Russian ethnics. But the US (and NATO) felt that keeping Crimea within Ukraine was really important (even though the citizens in Crimea didn’t WANT to be part of Ukraine……
So, now think about the Black Sea. Wouldn’t it be great for NATO (the US) to have a naval base there, right by Russia’s border? And now you know why Crimea was so important.
Then I guess we have to look at why the US would think a proxy war with Russia would be a good idea for us. I can’t make sense of any of this Ukraine crap, other than the knowledge that Biden is obviously being blackmailed by Zelenskyy. And, our Trump hating 4th Branch Bureaucrats are also stupidly compromised by their own Russia collusion hoax against President Trump.
My father once told me that the worst part about being a liar is that, when you tell lies, you always have to remember which lie you told to which people for the rest of your life. Our Intelligence Community is now up to their collective asses in the stupid lies they have told just to keep the Obama wing of the Demcommie Party in power.
Put on that thinking cap and wonder why Ukraine was at the center of the Trump impeachment; remember the video about Biden firing the prosecutor in Ukraine who was investigating Burisma; think of Pelosi’s son, Hunter Biden, etc., on Burisma’s board, etc. Ukraine has been a cash cow in money laundering for elites for over a decade. And the icing on the cake is the attempted destruction of Russia with NATO at its border, and all those yummy natural resources we could have.
A critical thinker–thankfully there’s at least 1 !
Do your own research
this war started 2014 coup attempt US CIA
Ukraine and the US established bio-weapons research labs in Ukraine on Russia’s border. We are the bad guys here and like it or not, Putin did not start this conflict
I realize it is difficult to get the facts because the media
is a cheerleader for Ukraine (Russia is bad), while our own government is
bankrolling Ukraine with our tax dollars.
However, using one’s critical thinking skills and doing
a little research, one can find the facts if one is interested.
Or, one can just think the opposite of what our corrupt
government and Joe Biden are advocating.
Yes, the opposite, just as we treated Pravda in the 60s and 70s. Pravda would not print the truth since that was obvious. Rather they printed lies to alter the perception of truth.
If you’re interested in the blood-soaked history of this region, and the internecine warfare and the hatred of Russia, and exactly how the present borders of Ukraine came to be drawn (by the USSR) without conflict, then history books and web-sites will inform you. In this case, Russia really did have a very legitimate national security interest to protect. It was about to be attacked, and struck pre-emptively. But the goal was never “to conquer Ukraine.”
America in 2014 engineered a coup. Get your head out. Ethnic Russians have been attacked since then.
That’s a very acute and simplistic statement. Almost as if a child said it. Grow up will ya. Good grief…
Me thinks you might benefit from reading and understanding history before posting.
Don’t forget all the pushing joebama did in the months leading up to it. He called Putin everything but chicken nearly on a daily basis when Putin was talking about things that weren’t right with Ukraine. Not taking up for Putin at all but he was maneuvered into this, way too many egos involved. Kind of like what the dementia patient is doing not trying to incite WWIII.
Idiot!
Does george SoreASS’ nephew still play PIANO with nuland’s ASSistance?
Tell us more, about how you would be ok with Russia putting forces on the US doorstep in Mexico, and Canada. Tell us more about how basing troops and even nukes, on the US border would be ok with you, considering the tyrants running those 2 country’s.
Clown….
Look around, are the lives of YOUR family important enough to justify the risks involved? Not mine….do not believe every thing you read about Democracy in Ukraine. The U.S. installed the current government to serve the desires of American politicians. Sound like Democracy?
Persecuted Russians in the Donbass had been asking Rissia for protection from the Azov Nazis for a long time. They wanted to be Russian. Crimea has ALWAYS been Russian.
No you should and since Zelensky is demanding US troops hey, no need to join the military just hook up with the “private US contractors” that are already there fighting the good fight for democracy.
You could be a war hero!
Maybe Biden will award you some kind of medal.
Just use caution ⚠️ if you go near Zaporizhzia (and multiple other cities that have nuclear plants that were recently constructed by US and European allies) where the largest nuclear plant is oh and you will need a map and a CIA operative ‘s knowledge base to find out where all the Bio-labs are too!
You don’t want to get exposed to another strain of COVID or more lethal bio-weapons!
He is not stupid. Like you.
Are you deliberately stupid?
Take your meds.
Take yours first.
You hate the US
You actually agree with what the US is doing (and has done) n Ukraine?
How so?
Biden has sent in excess of a $100’000,000,000.00 in US taxpayer funds to one of the most corrupt places on earth, and of virtually zero strategic value to us.
All this while average everyday Americans are getting financially crushed.
I would consider that an extremely Anti American act.
No what is despised are the numerous Bio-labs graft and corruption that dates back to long before Obama became a Senator.
Obama visited Ukraine with McCain and his fellow corrupt cronies showing Obama their graft/corrupt operations during his first year as a Jr. Senator!
How has that worked out for USA 🇺🇸!
Fast forward and we have Zelensky (a comedian by trade installed by Soros) demanding billions every month, suggesting US needs to start sending American troops, and even a statue to be erected in the United States Capital with Pelosi and her peers cheering at the idea!
Maybe they could use some of the materials from the American patriots statues that have been torn down with glee (the recycling for the green crew would be elated at that win/win idea).
You can’t make this up!
While our monuments are being torn down no less, one of a corrupt charlatan from a country next to Russia!
The people of Ukraine can not stand the guy!
You need help
Like a few months stint in Siberia
And Putin is bankrupting the NATO…
Mostly the US as we keep giving Zelensky money to keep him quiet.
While Ukraine can build back better…the US will be broke.
Putin is prolonging this for a reason and the reason is the US.
And Biden/Obama made this bed! Don’t blamePutin and Russia, Russia, Russia, when it’s been our own insane globalist leaders who pushed this. They want war!
Right now….hopefully Putin does bankrupt NATO! And bring every other globalist organization down with it! And every single frickin person involved with them as well!
Agreed. Putin did not start this war. Look to the idealogs in JoBama’s administration for the provocation. They had many opportunities to work out peace agreements, but instead they have actively been pursuing war from the beginning. I do not fault Putin.
Victoria Nuland admitted to Congress that the US had bio-weapons research labs in Ukraine. The first thing Putin did was to take them out.
Putin knows what’s going on. He is no dummy. This is part of the Green Deal. Keep the war going and do everything in our power to keep oil prices high. And then its easy to blame Putin. And I see Putin signed into law suspension of a nuclear treaty today.
There is also the money laundering. Ukraine’s where it all flow through and then back to accounts in Western Europe. Biden has to keep the wires open to move the cash.
While I agree all the aforementioned should be hanged, it goes much deeper than that and has been going on for a very long time…back to the 60’s. The “sea-eye-a” has been doing a great deal of the behind-the-scenes work. Add the other corrupt and compromised 3-letter agencies and we have the exact scenario as with every “war” we have been involved in (perhaps WWII may have been a bit different)
Came across this from the Future of Freedom Foundation about JFK’s thoughts…a really good read on some background as he called out the Pentagon and others for what they were doing
https://www.fff.org/2023/02/28/jfks-remarkable-peace-speech-that-sealed-his-fate/
The US is NATO and we are the ones who goaded Putin into invading Ukraine, which is a corrupt, undemocratic autocracy that should never be part of any peaceful group.
Agree! DISMANTLE NATO!
And…the Biden/Obama administrations!
NATO was part of the post World War II effort to keep Germany from re-arming itself. That worked, but it also kept every member Country from spending more than a pittance on its own military defense, forcing the USA to spend enough to protect Europe. This seemed necessary almost 80 years ago, but now there is no need for us to be the sole protectors of Western Europe’s democracies, much less a dictator wearing a tin foil hat such as Zelenskyyy is!
Same!!!
They’re going to poke the bear one too many times, and putin will strike back as anyone would.
Putin is THE BEST ONLY one using a brain cell, sorry to say. I have more respect for putin at this point!
Biden should be executed immediately for treason to this country!
I was very interested in the ideas of Alexander Mercouris on TheDuran concerning the Bakmut encirclement and loss of life.
Alexander believes that the neocons like Blinken, Nuland, Sullivan are so invested in the conflict psychologically, ideologically, or (my addition) financially that the human and physical devastation is meaningless. They want the optics of holding Bakmut – all the tweets “Bakmut Holds!” All the optics are necessary for the G20, the G7, the whatever meeting because there is always another meeting in which to pledge more loyalty to the US and to pledge more weapons to the conflict. They need Ukraine to throw in more and more troops and string them along for the optics to keep the alliances together and the money flowing. Can’t have a debacle when Biden is planning to run in 2024.
If it becomes obvious that Ukraine is losing, then the alliance becomes less stable. The US and UK will not accept any peace offer and will tend to escalate more and say it is to “save Ukraine”. The propaganda and demands for loyalty will escalate.
Forgot to put a link to their discussion.
https://rumble.com/v2ba0ow-losing-bakhmut-losing-donbass.html
I find Alex’s and Alexander’s individual channels and The Duran to be particularly enlightening.
Completely understand their conclusions.
But the US is pivoting to China now. Somewhere within the irrational blob called the Pentagon, they know Jewlensky and Ukraine are toast.
You hate Jews. You are a coward
wyattaustere on instagam summed it up as such:
the deep state is willing to start a nuclear war in order to cover up their criminality in Ukraine and at home.
Yep…like 911 took the trillions of dollars that Rumsfeld has said just a day or so before hand…had gone missing. And what information was stored in some of those buildings that came down…on purpose.
I guess this is the confirmation Russia was expecting and now they will NEVER quit fighting to end the NATO madness brought against Russia.
As the fierce Zulu leader, Shaka Zulu, once said, “Never leave an enemy behind or it will rise again to fly at your throat.”
With this NATO threat, Russia will never rest now. They have a massive military armaments production process going 24/7 and all the motivation of their entire population they could ever need now to prevail.
If by some miracle PDT again is again in the White House, he could finish his threat of ending NATO funding. Without the US, NATO would likely fold. Perfect! NATO is nothing but a financial drain butting in where they don’t belong. No NATO, no reason for Russia to rightfully fight to keep threats away from it’s border.
Nato is getting desperate. They are trying every trick, thinking it can goad Russia into doing something stupid. Russia just laughs and keeps the meat grinders going.
Ukraine is running out of solders. They are sending women, teenage boys, old men, and cripples to the front.
Nato is running low on their old, broke down and obsolete arms and ammo. Russia just says, “Send more we will destroy it just like all the other junk you sent”.
Inflation and shortages ravaging both Europe and America. Huge anti war and government protests are breaking out all over Europe and will get larger as weather warms.
All Russia needs to do is keep the meat grinders going.. Turning the wests “Shock and Awe” equipment into scrap iron, and be patient. The west will destroy itself by its own stupidity.
Good read below on the difference between US/NATO’s idea of “Limited War: VS Russia’s “Total War” doctrine
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/in-the-spirit-of-russian-total-war
Spot on! USA, Inc runs low on weapons just in time for China to invade Taiwan.
Political Moonshine made that point a few months ago, unfortunately the link for that article (on substack) is on a USB which I’ve been having troubles exporting to my new (for me anyways) PC. He had also made a claim that is making a bit more sense as time goes by, & events unfold, that Biden would take a prearranged dive to China. The first time he said it I had troubles wrapping my head around it, the level of corruption & treason to do such a thing. Oh, and that the military in studies/gaming scenarios lose every time when in a war with Russia & China at the same time! But the frickin’ a**holes are apparently going to do it anyways! Unbelievable, the level of despise & contempt is sky high off the charts… Sure shows how much they want to destroy the US, to make it easier for them to implement their “Great Reset”.
I just checked my email & got a notification of his latest article, in which he again mentions Biden taking a dive:
“…The most frightening aspect of the accurate analysis that has been long ahead of the news cycle is the evidenced contention that in this multiple-front war, Biden intends to take a dive to handover the U.S. to global governance enforced by the CCP’s brand of Marxist communism. The corpus of this exhaustive analysis now exceeds 107 articles…”
“War or Threat of War? Either Way It’s a Massive Money and Weapons Laundering Operation”
https://politicalmoonshine.substack.com/p/war-or-threat-of-war-either-way-its
By that argument Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland (pending) should exit NATO as well. Good luck convincing any formerly Soviet occupied nation to accommodate Russia- it doesn’t work. There are reasons besides Biden administration corruption that Ukrainians are dying to keep Russians out.
With one exception ( Lenin for two years in 1922) none of the leaders of the Soviet Union were Russian! Most of them were from Georgia and Ukraine!
Khrushchev was born in Kalinovka, Russia.
Born there, yes.
But he was Ukrainian.
He gave Crimea to Ukraine illegally.
The USSR constitution required an election to move territories.
One was never held.
Yes…and they aren’t for the benefit of the people, you can bet on that! So, eff NATO, cut the husband send them to the garbage heaps. How many of these countries stay if the money is gone? And only the US needs to do the cutting. Without us…they die!
Setting the stage for “Marshal Law” and an end to elections?
Just a thought.
I think there is a little truth in here!
Over Russia’s dead body. These people truly get stupider by the day.
Biden Regime today announcing “gain of function” research, i.e., biological weapons research, is fine. All after our government is responsible for COVID.
List of Foreign Governments the United States Overthrew:
China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Honduras 2009 *
Libya 2011 *
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014 *
Q: Why will there never be a coup d’état in Washington?
A: Because there’s no American embassy there.
Source: William Blum
Blum? Hahahahaha. Figures. As a devotee of Blum, and I expect Howard Zinn as well, how in the world did you ever get HERE? I suppose when there is some America bashing going on (which is just a short hop from all the Putin praise in this thread) the leftists just come out of the woodwork to join in. You can also jon Ari on that plane. GTFO
trapper, while I understand the FEELING, and the desire, you and I really, as commenters have absolutely NO authority to tell anyone else to “GTFO”; ONLY Sundance, and the Moderators he has delegated his authority to, have the authority to banish, or moderate.
Instead of denigrating the poster, how about (assuming you disagree with California Joe, providing info to counter the thrust of his post?
Tell us the U.S. DIDN’T thru CIA action, presumably overthrow the Governments listed.
In other words, DEBATE instead of engaging in “Jane, you ignorant slut!” personal attacks, and telling commenters you disagree with to “GTFO”.
The kind of personal attack, back and forth b.s. I see, both in your responce and above by others, I EXPECT to see in other comment areas, like Breitbart and Faux, but we aspire to higher standards here, and as a long time treeper, you know this.
Treehouse = thoughtful discussion
GAB = piss fights
A GAB type discussion looks odd here.
Thank you, Dutchman. You always are a voice of reason.
Is he a long time treeper? I though he was a troll. And although I disagree with this William Blum on his last assessment on why no coup in DC…the rest I agree with. But you have to admit…where did he getb that part about no coup in DC? Where the hell has this guy been? What does he think happened with Trump? That…WAS a coup! By supposedly our own government! That’s the part that people can not get their heads wrapped around…but that IS what happened!
Exactly. The coup is a fait accompli……at least so far.
What is the international bankers next move? WAR, of course.
Our country was taken over back in 1913.
Trap you and the rest of Shill Team Six show up whenever the topic of Ukraine comes up, and then proceed to push the ______ Talking Points hard.
Quite sad, but to each his own.
While you are at it, desperately selling, with no one buying, at least try and keep your S together.
Wrong, there was a coup in Washington in 2020. We are all paying for that now.
That used to be a good joke at the end, but sadly, we’ve even had a coup here–no embassy required.
Read John Gerassi’s “The Great Fear in Latin America”, published during the early 1960s.
There already was a coup in DC….where has this guy been? WTH does he think happened with Trump? Besides, that’s not the reason anyways….DC is not part or the Republic! It is a country of its own with its own laws, governs itself. Like London, the Vatican. In fact…look at all 3 places and the architecture. Interestingly you will find many similarities. Coincidence? Absolutely not. There are no such things in life! Why is it then…they are all so similar with specific designs and geometry? There is much to be known from this that I never see spoken of here…or many other places. But if you really dig and research…you will find the truth!
But, there has been a coup d’etat in Washington. At least one.
November 22, 1963.
NATO needs a war in order to reset their failed economies. In wartime, national debts are erased. That’s the real point behind all of this. Kill a few million of you people so that the oligarchs can burn their old ledgers and carry on.
I am not familiar with this “erasing of National debt” and “burning of ledgers” you speak of.
True, WW2 contributed mightily to getting the U.S. out of the Great depression, because of a tremendous build up of our manufacturing capacity.
But it didn’t ERASE, or cancel the National debt, its just that all the Govt funded economic activity, meeant near full employment.
Please give examples of countries “cancelling” or”erasing” their pre-existing National debt, by going to war?
We are being taken down by our own government who are partnered with other governments, A whistleblower just released a government document that covers destroying US food supplies etc. This i sa must read:
https://www.foodshield.org/default/assets/File/FASCAT_Guidance_Doc.pdf
putins greatest offense was being against grooming.
the west has been after him ever since. we are governed by satanic pedophiles.
Major Oil producer. Nationalist country that would rigorously oppose any attempts to make it subservient to a “World Government”.
Those two reasons, alone are reason enough for WEF to put a bullseye on Russia.
Strongly Christian, and so opposing alphabet soup immoralisation, is just icing on the cake, as all of that crap is secondary to economics and power.
“This is defensive alliance”. They keep telling us. They just don’t know when to stop do they? Here we have a defensive alliance all working against one country…. This is absolute insanity.
There’s no way that the Russians will not try and destroy the entirety of Ukraine, or at least render that place ungovernable. Millions of people are completely oblivious to this potential clash.
The U.S. and NATO ALREADY made it a “zero-sum” situation for Putin, early on.
Every message they have been sending, is that this is about Russias SURVIVAL, as a nation.
So, this is just one more confirmation, of something Putin and Russians already understood, well.
Russia can NOT lose this war, or it ceases to exist.
And, it WILL NOT lose this war, because it can not. It is EXISTENTIAL for Russia, they are fighting for their survival, as a country.
The Russian military by design is set up to fight a existential war, the US military is not. Russian weapon systems are set up to conform to the conditions on the battlefield. Simple, rugged, effective and easily massed produced. On the other hand US weapon systems are complicated, fragile and expensive. The Russian military is on a constant war time setting, ready to engage a peer threat. The US military is set up to fight a limited engagement threat.
At one time the US military knew how to fight a war, but have long forgotten. In WW2 the US did not have the best weapons, but we were able to produce more of them than anyone else. These weapons also conformed to the conditions on the battlefield. Take a WW2 era Jeep, it had handles on 4 corners so that it could be picked up if stuck in a ditch.
It has been a long time since the US has fought a peer to peer war. WW2 was the last time and what was the country that won that war? Well…that was Russia because they had the will to do whatever it took to win a existential war. Almost every war Russia fights is a existential war. So, go ahead, President Biden, keep poking the bear with your stick and see what happens.
I like the story of how NASA spent endless time and money to invent a pen that could write upside down in the weightless environment of space.
Russia used a pencil.
Yep, Russia often keeps it simple and even old fashioned.
Imagine you’re flying to the space station in the late 90’s, early 2000’s on Soyuz, long after the advent of digital computers and navigation equipment. Here’s what you’d see to determine where you were in orbit…
Behind the whirling globe there’s this…
Quintessential Russian. Much like the iconic, and effective, AK-47. A lesson my father passed on to me from his experiences in the war was it’s not so much what one has, it’s what they do with it. Once upon a time GI’s did a lot with very little. Russians still do.
That’s why I don’t underestimate Russia. Anyone who’s been there, which I have, knows the zeal of their people and their inventiveness. Formidable.
Reminds me of that old story about how NASA spent millions developing the nitrogen powered pen that can be used in outer space (i.e., no need for gravity to pull the ink through the ball in a normal ball-point pen). The pen is amazing. It can write upside down even.
The Russian cosmonauts did not have such a pen. Instead, they used pencils.
You got it!
They want war
I think their goal is to wear down the Russians and draw this out as long as possible. To Dutchman’s point, strong nationalist states stand in the way of what is most important to them; One World Government. They are like the biblical people who built the Tower of Babel. They believe if they can just eliminate borders and have only one government, they can create Nirvana on earth, and end all national disputes. It is a Fools dream that denies human nature and can only lead to misery, but they are true believers. The only thing that can stop them are the people in each country who realize the stupidity of their dream. For us in the United States the solution is communicate our refusal to accept this dream to our elected representatives and demand that they stop funding the people and organizations who pursue it. Maybe taking on a country with nuclear weapons will be a step too far, and their dream will be crushed once and for all. We can only hope.
The last 17 x surviving Ukrainians cowering in a German bunker, request permission to join NATO!
Sounds good to me!
When the Ukraine special military operation (soon to be defined as war) is over, there won’t be much left of NATO. Russia is demilitarizing NATO in real time. Good for them!!
That will be Putin’s greatest achievent
A larger and stronger NATO
Ukraine had no chance of being a NATO member as due to the events of 2014 its borders were unstable and some regions had conflict.
It was also to be vetoed by many current members, thus removing the required unanimous support.
Sweden and Finland have joined. Switzerland is becoming a NATO partner ( if not yet member)
Most notably, Germany is again becoming a military power.
That in addition to other members following Trump’s demands of increasing their budgets and readiness.
Putin was supposed to try to prevent all this
Ukraine will need some security guarantee once it agrees to a peace plan in which it will have to take a haircut.
Opposition to that by current NATO members is much more difficult in light of the invasion.
Putin thus became NATO’s Salesman of the decade.
That will have consequences on his hold on power at home
I’m not the slightest bit concerned about “Putin’s hold on power at home.” This loud pronouncement is nothing but bait, and Putin and his commanders are not the sort of people who take proffered bait. Russia is going to win this war, no matter what NATO may do.
“Do you really believe the United States would be okay with Russia establishing forward military bases in Mexico or Canada?” Welllllll, as long as the Big Guy got his 10%, it might be fine and dandy.
So now NATO is trying to bait Russia into expanding their military objectives in order to draw out the war and shed the blood of thousands of more innocent people. And we are still supposed to believe that they are “the good guys”?
Thus starting the NEXT conflict.
Putin is not a mad man and the last thing he wants to do is push the button. He’s watching the economic consequences of the globalist agenda and in particular their open border and green energy policies. They are slowly developing into huge hardships on the abiding nations. Now these very same players are draining their military hardware and funding the Ukrainian fiasco. Fiat currencies will be further inflated. Ultimately the citizens of these nations will be able to see the economic consequences of the agenda driven policies as the causes for their hardships. It’s not Putin, it’s the string pullers in the WEF. Looks like they NATO are also well tied in to the Davos crowd. When the imminent voters revolution comes about to throw the globalists out the masses will finally realize the ballot box is rigged against them. Tick tock.
The so called western global alliance is now pushing the bear to gobble up all of the Ukraine, not just the Donbas any longer. Nothing good will come from this. There are so few truth tellers now: President Trump, Sundance, Tucker Carlson, Col. McGregor, Larry Johnson… simply not enough to overcome the screams demanding war. Hell hath no fury like that of a non-combatant.
Once the Soviet Union ended ther was no reason for NATO to exist. I can see why they would stick around for a few years (Just in case the USSR came back in another form), but they became obsolete.
The US should withdraw from NATO ASAP.
then Russia needs to get it done quickly
M\NATO is a full participant in the money laundering, sex trafficking, human trafficking etc that takes place around the globe. Trump should state now that we will leave NATO under his watch and if needed start something new. If that its not the case then build up our defenses for our own good.
***NATO
Here it is:
“If the War with Russia is over, then NATO (a group of nations brought together to stop Russia from invading its members) will accept your Ukraine membership.
I find this to be a very weak position which only strengthens Russias resolve for Ukrainian territory.
Russia should’ve flattened Ukraine and taken out The Magic Dwarf 10 months ago. They’ve gone too slowly and allowed too much US/NATO f*ckery to go on, and they continue to make the same mistake to this day. Where’s the “Winter Offensive?”
Total mess.
I have never heard Russia say anything about a Winter offensive. No one has.
That was just another fable created by Western Media.
NATO really doesn’t know what it is doing now. It is transparently obvious that its true intentions are hostile: to prepare for a pan-European (world …) war whose obvious and only target is Russia. But, once again, they severely underestimate Russia, and overestimate themselves.
Modern warfare is a contest of manufacturing, and Russia has the unlimited ability to produce anything it needs in the (prodigious …) quantities required, and to deliver them to the battlefront over its own soil. NATO is running out of both its much-touted wunderwaffen and the ordinary materials of war. Furthermore, NATO has never fought a first-class enemy and did not do particularly well against smaller ones. When the USA last did, it was a manufacturing juggernaut. But that was eighty years ago, and in that war Russia was a vital ally who paid by far the greatest price in blood.
If you dream of a Ukranian victory, you are nursing illusions. Wars are not won by illusion.
If war breaks out, the first thing China will do is to order its container ships to come home. And store shelves all over America will be empty – with no domestic industry available to restock them. You can’t just snap your fingers and reverse this folly.
To go any further down the ideological rabbit hole than our leftist globalist establishment, you’d have to join the Manson Family.
Marie Antoinette was more grounded in reality than these people.
They buy into the Hegelian dogma that history only moves one way, so they are convinced they are making progress. The fascists lost World War War II, so how dare we describe them (accurately) as fascists.
The evil and dangerous post-modernist fantasy that reality is subjective appeals most to those with the biggest egos. Rush Limbaugh used to speculate that the job of American President was not big enough for Obama (in his self-estimation).
And elitism remains the eternal threat to human society. Like monkeys up a tree, we struggle to sit on the highest branch.
The globalist dream has gripped the imaginations of the most powerful humans since World War II, so globalism is the only possible, imaginable path forward (to them).
Globalist is almost a synonym for our Uniparty. Bush 41 refused to win the Gulf War, because he deluded himself that he had persuaded Saddam of the supremacy of Globalism.
Hitler, in the end days of World War II, was ordering his generals to attack with divisions long since destroyed. Adolf was defeated, but he was not persuaded.
Victory in battle is easier than persuaded those with huge egos.
No chance of a peaceful resolution with Ukraine under its current leadership with this announcement. Russia will react accordingly. Which is what Western leadership wants as excuse to take complete control of their populaces. Enter WWIII.
And that’s the point. They want WAR. Period. So they’re doing everything in their power to justify a third world war by inciting force from Russia. I’m sure the Russians know this, best to play it smart. They’re trying to do everything in their power to have chaos ensued so the Soros and Schwab of the world can have their one world government.
Ukraine:
Day 1: there are no Nazis and Bio Labs in Ukraine
Day 5: Maybe there a few Nazis
Day 10: Okay, there are a lot of Nazis but they are good Nazis and still no secret Bio labs
Day 20: Okay there a few harmless bio labs
Day 30: What’s your problem with Nazi bio labs
Lol, will there even be a sliver of Ukraine left, to become a NATO member, once the conflict with Russia concludes?
This world is getting more absurd day by day!
No American tax money, no NATO.
I love that poster, ‘I’m not touching you.’
While the US would conversely have issues with a major Russian Base so close to the US, the China Inc. infused US Government has no issues with China Inc. having bases so close to the US.
China Inc. has economically worked itself across South as well as Central America and has penetrated well up the Dutch Possessions in the Caribbean. Then there are the major enclaves across the US n major cities, near major tech company facilities and major US Bases. Oh..lest forget Vancouver, Canada.
The excuse for the never ending war … a negotiation position nobody wants, even some of the NATO members.
Ukraine is NOT of any strategic concern to America . We need to get out of Nato NOW before we are drug into WW3 by those evil bastards.
Posted FWIW: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11572881/CIA-spate-explosions-Russia-veteran-claims-CIA-NATO-ally-sabotage.html
All these people should go back and have a SDS reunion. They can tell their 60s friends what they have done since protesting US involvement in Southeast Asia.
Yeah… NATO used to be the good guys… so I thought. This is how they keep peace against a foe which no longer exists?
Yeah, Trump needs to take the US out of NATO 100% We just have to get him back into office.
I think the proper solution is for the United States to leave NATO. Europe and Canada can pick up the slack. That way, NATO can get new uniforms to supplement the light bulbs the EU sent to Ukraine.
If anything serious happens, I’m sure NATO can negotiate with the United States for some type of support.
This all fits nicely with China Inc.’s strategy.
From 2009 to 2016, Premier Obama’s administration went on binge of wrecking the Navy and Marines via a huge number of “removals from command for lack of confidence” and other made up UCMJ action.
The military is culling the ranks via vaccine mandates and failure to agree to support the woke agenda.
Now there was a story from the Minot USAF base about a spate of removals from command “for lack of confidence” by JoeBama’s regime.
When facing off against China Inc., the most important services required to put boots any where in the Pacific are the Navy and Air Force.
We now have a Navy and Air Force that sink into unprepared, supported by an Army with NO equipment or bullets as well as a dwindling supply of competent troops. ALL 3-services are also being ripped apart by an unsustainable OPTEMPTO their few good assets cannot support.
If the BRICS “Economic” alliance does grow into some sort of military alliance as recent emerging events indicate … substitute BRICS for China Inc. in my comment above.
What is wrong with the MAGA camp, seems they turned to Russian shills , abandoned all reason and any patriotism to help the dictator Putin to re-create the Soviet Union empire , invading one country after another, and all this cause they wants to oppose every action of the illegitimate Biden regime.
Finland is becoming a Nato member , it shares borders with Putin’s Russia but was not invaded, guess the Nato excuse was just that.
Ukraine is an appetiser for Putler, if Russia is successful get ready for his next invasion that will involve U.S.A. troops
Best come to your senses NATO has no ambitions to attack Russia , its harmless, Russian bases in Mexico is a totally different beast cause Russia is aggressive and a threat its not as harmless as NATO, but in your search for excuses anything will do, including sacrificing the national interest. ……. Maga, really?
NATO Harmless? So you are saying MAGA should throw its support behind the filthy NAZI regime that Rules The Ukraine?
Sorry No Can Do. MAGA sees no reason to support NATO’s or Ukraine’s aggression towards Russia. War with Russia is certainly NOT in our nations best interest. NATO…… REALLY?
Hello new friend.
Patriots certainly wouldn’t send a $100,000,000,000.00 in appropriated Taxpayer blood money,to one of the most corrupt places on earth, a place of no importance to the US, inflaming a conflict that has a strong possibility of ending in a global Thermo Nuclear apocalypse..
Patriots especially don’t seek foreign military adventurism while their own citizens are financially drowning, homeless, and preyed upon by drug cartels…
A patriot wouldn’t do any of those things.
After the Biden regime drags western Europe into a ground war with Russia, the remnants of NATO may be little more than a VFW or American Legion style organization celebrating their great victory with local fish fries and fried chicken dinners on Sunday.
What is about Ukraine that makes flirting with WWIII so alluring? They’ve expended the wealth of many nations with nothing of value to show for the effort. They demand more in money and blood sacrifice. Is this not the epitome of evil?
None of the NATO countries would dare to attempt fighting Russia on their own. Their only option is to make a group effort and even with that, there are going to be some big, big losses for NATO that they’re not going to be able to recover from for a long, long time. If ever.
They may open a Group Size barrel of Whoop Ass on Russia but even collectively they will not be able to conquer and occupy it as a whole. The permanent insurrections and resistance in occupied Russia would be unending and bloody violent against the occupiers needed to sustain even limited occupation by NATO countries.
What NATO nation has ever endured the losses that Russia has in war and managed to rebuild their nation into half of what Russia is today?
There are breaks in the clouds and new sunlight is starting to reveal a lot of ugly truths that have been concealed about Ukraine and the US and the perfidy being worked against the citizens of both nations and Europe and Russia by very unsavory individuals who are going to be revealed as more sunlight starts to shine.
Or, may be the flashes of nuclear war heads raining down will completely obscure the skies, take away what ever sunlight that was shining. Whom ever has the ability, when a collective civilization rises from the ashes, will be the final writers of the ‘truths’ they choose to convey to achieve the effects they need to sustain them in rebuilding the ruins.
Wish I was prescient enough to be a better predictor. All I can see is a lot of manipulation, political ruses, grandstanding lies and a fevered push to expand a local conflict into a continental war that’s going to absolutely destroy and devastate economies, nations and cities and possibly cause millions to die under horrible circumstances.
Another variable is containing this new war to Europe and Russia. Is that even possible?
It would be helpful if there were adults able to press the pause button before we leap into conflagration in Ukraine. But the adult voices are nothing more than whispers under the war chants and bellicose bullying from Biden and Zelenskyy.
Is this is why they’re using Ukraine to be the catalyst for the Ezekiel 38 war?
” . . . set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshek and Tubal; prophesy against him . . . I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords.” ~ Ezekiel 38.2-4
Gog of Magog is Skythia whose region lies between the Danube and Don rivers, from the Black Sea to just north of the City of Kiev. The ancient Scythians are where the modern nation of Ukraine occupies, and whose populations are more closely related to the Turks and Persians then the northern Rus settled by Danes, Swedes, and other Viking tribes who travelled down rivers from the Baltic Sea. This is what the ancient historians all agree to:
Magogians are the Scythians ~ Hesiod, Greek Didactic Poet, 8th Century BC
Scythians occupied whole North Pontic Steppe region formerly held by Cimmerians (10th-3rd Centuries BC) ~ Herodotus, “Father of History, 5th Century BC
“Magog founded the Magogians, thus named after him, but were by the Greeks called Scythians.” ~ Josephus, Antiquities 1.123
The article is wrong on its’ basic premise. NATO already has bases on Russias’ border. Latvia and Estonia are right there.
Not really. The level of deployment, level of potential access, terrain and infrastructure are and will be radically different v/v the actual heartland of Russia and its major strategic assets.
It is a big deal having assets in the Ukraine located directly across from the Russian Heartland.
The article is correct.
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And he just told the Russians one of the few things that will make them want to go all the way to Keiv.
That is a very deep line in the sand for them
https://www.thepostil.com/russias-special-military-operation-after-the-first-year-a-paradigm-shift/
Do some of you actually believe Nuland was sent to Ukraine in 2014 to be a harbinger for ‘Peace’? Please. The US doesn’t send those like her anywhere for any kind of ‘humanitarian’ purpose! And then, the Clown/Druggie Zelensky propped-up to be a hero?! Astounding how US propaganda & fear tactics have worked so well, on so many–and, easily!
Bastards are going to get us all killed
Yes they are and they’ll give not one flying leap at a rolling donut about.
It’s real pain knowing in your gut they all have a paid-for exit plan to escape the carnage looming on the horizon. It’s a weird feeling watching the planes leave and you’re getting left behind to work your own plan and suffer the unknown consequences of actions taken by those who’ve never known you and who seemingly care nothing about what happens to you because they have already taken their cut and run to safe havens.
It’s one thing to choose to go into harms way and go there with requisite supplies, training, knowledge and connections to be effective. It’s a whole other thing to be deserted, left behind with little or nothing to make a defense with.
Our one ray of sunshine is knowing that at some point, all the things are going to be used up and what’s left will be the spoils for those who hoarded lead, brass and steel and turn it into plowshares and shovels.
No one gets out alive. We all die in the end. Even the bad guys die in the end.