As the DOJ-NSD originally threatened, they have filed an appeal of the ruling by Judge Cannon in the Trump Mar-a-Lago document case. [Pdf Here]
The DOJ is requesting the 11th Circuit Court to intervene and “stay” or block a part of the ruling allowing the Special Master, Judge Raymond J Dearie, to review the “classified documents” and make an independent determination as to the validity of the DOJ-NSD claims.
Having read all the motions in the case, you can get a sense of the authorship from the motion. From my perspective this effort appears to have been written by the Lawfare group and filed by their allies in Main Justice at the DOJ National Security Division (DOJ-NSD). The bottom line is they really don’t want any outside party making a determination as to the status of the 100 “classified documents,” and/or consider if President Trump had previously declassified them.
The crux of their position is outlined in this part of the motion, which appears to hold a logical fallacy [pdf link Here]:
The framework of the appeal appears to be built on a false premise. The DOJ argument is contingent upon the government not having the original documents, and the claim is made *AS IF* there is only one copy. Even if this appeal is within the framework of a valid issue for an appellate court review (not a guarantee), when you apply commonsense the motion fails on its face.
The original documents are always retained by the originating agency. No one, not even the President, sees original intelligence documents from within any agency creating the product. Everything, including what President Trump would have seen while in office, and including any “read and return” version of the intelligence product, is a copy that stems from the originals. As a result, the executive branch (DOJ) has access to the originals regardless of what copies they may have retrieved from Mar-a-Lago.
Once again, the DOJ -together with the internal intelligence agency, likely the ODNI- is claiming to be the arbiter of the “classification” status of the documents at issue.
If President Trump declassified those documents before leaving office (he did), the “classification” status, another underlying premise, is automatically moot. This reality is the central flaw in the DOJ case and appears to form the basis for Main Justice to be so adamant against anyone else reviewing the documents.
So, there are two structural flaws: (1) There is more than one copy of the documents being argued, and the DOJ has access to the originals; and (2) the classified status of those documents is unknown (hence a special master), and if they were declassified the DOJ-NSD contention around them is automatically moot.
The Special Master appointed by judge Cannon is a former FISA Judge. Judge Raymond J Dearie likely has seen thousands of classified documents over the years, he is not a national security risk by reviewing another set of defined classified documents. Additionally, the documents have been in Mar-a-Lago for almost two years, the urgency claims by Main Justice look silly.
The DOJ-NSD looks desperate and nonsensical in this filing because the arguments being made by the DOJ-NSD are desperate and nonsensical.
The currently presented legal conflict is essentially over a judicial ruling that -if implemented- resolves the legal conflict. Therefore, there is no guarantee the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals will even take the DOJ motion under review. The legal conflict seemingly resolves if the existing judicial ruling is applied.
President Trump declassified documents showing how the corrupt DOJ and FBI targeted him. The corrupt DOJ and FBI went to Mar-a-Lago and took back the evidence against them in the raid, now saying no one should be allowed to see it.
Everything is becoming increasingly transparent.
Overlay the Durham probe and you discover, the govt people responsible for illegally targeting Trump are the same govt people responsible for investigating the illegal Trump targeting.
We keep watching….
(New York Times) – WASHINGTON — The Justice Department asked an appeals court on Friday to let the F.B.I. regain access to about 100 sensitive documents taken from former President Donald J. Trump’s residence in Florida but did not try to block the appointment of an outside arbiter to review other materials.
In a 29-page filing, the department asked the appeals court not to submit the roughly 100 files marked as classified through the vetting process of the arbiter, known as a special master — acquiescing to the review for 11,000 other documents seized from Mr. Trump’s home and resort, Mar-a-Lago. The review has frozen the government’s access to the material as it investigates Mr. Trump’s handling of the documents.
“Although the government believes the district court fundamentally erred in appointing a special master and granting injunctive relief, the government seeks to stay only the portions of the order causing the most serious and immediate harm to the government and the public,” wrote lawyers with the department’s national security division.
[…] The Justice Department initially asked Judge Cannon to stay the portion of her order that blocked it from full investigative use of the 100 or so files with classification markings, but on Thursday she refused to do so. That prompted law enforcement officials to ask the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit, in Atlanta, to issue a stay instead. (read more)
♦ IMPORTANT CONTEXTUAL BACKGROUND – Recently a Florida judge dismissed a lawsuit brought by President Trump against Hillary Clinton. [65-page Ruling Here] The media have enjoyed ridiculing Trump by using the words of the judge who dismissed the case. As noted by the Washington Times, “Judge Donald M. Middlebrooks, a Clinton appointee, said Mr. Trump’s filing was too lengthy, detailing events that “are implausible because they lack any specific allegations which might provide factual support for the conclusions reached.”
In March 2022 President Trump filed a civil lawsuit against: Hillary Clinton, Hillary for America Campaign Committee, DNC, DNC Services Corp, Perkins Coie, Michael Sussmann, Marc Elias, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Charles Dolan, Jake Sullivan, John Podesta, Robby Mook, Phillipe Reines as well as Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson, Peter Fritsch, Nellie Ohr, Bruce Ohr, Orbis Business Intelligence, Christopher Steele, Igor Danchenko, Neustar Inc., Rodney Joffe, James Comey Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Kevin Clinesmith and Andrew McCabe. [108-Page Lawsuit Here]
When I was about one-third of the way through reading the lawsuit, I initially stopped and said to myself this is going to take a lot of documentary evidence to back up the claims in the assertions. Dozens of attachments would be needed and hundreds of citations to the dozens of attachments would be mandatory. Except, they were not there.
After reading further, while completely understanding the background material that was being described in the filing, I realized this wasn’t a lawsuit per se’. The 108-pages I was holding in my hands was more akin to legal transfer mechanism from President Trump to lawyers who needed it. The filing was contingent upon a series of documents that would be needed to support the claims within it.
Whoever wrote the lawsuit had obviously reviewed the evidence to support the filing. However, the attachments and citations were missing. That was weird. That’s when I realized the purpose of the lawsuit. In hindsight, things became clear when the DOJ-NSD raided the home of Donald Trump, and suddenly the motive to confiscate the documents that would be the missing lawsuit attachments and citations surfaced.
With the manipulative, and I say intentional, “ongoing investigation” angle of the John Durham probe essentially blocking public release of declassified documents showing the efforts of all the lawsuit participants (Trump-Russia Collusion Hoax), President Trump needed a legal way to secure and more importantly share the evidence.
Think of it like the people around Trump wanting to show lawyers the evidence in the documents. However, because of the construct of the lawfare being deployed against Trump, any lawyer would need a *reason* to review the evidence. The Trump -v- Clinton et al lawsuit becomes that ‘reason.’
The “documents” (classified or not) are reviewed by lawyers in preparation for the lawsuit. This is their legal justification for reviewing the documents. In essence, the lawsuit is a transfer mechanism permitting the Trump legal team to review the evidence on behalf of their client, former President Donald Trump.
Once the formation of the lawsuit is established, the retainer and acceptance of the lawyers to represent their client cemented, the legal counsel, discussion and information within legal duties/obligations of those who represent the plaintiff (Trump) becomes an information silo. In addition to previous executive privilege established by President Trump himself; outside government there is now another silo to defend against the motives of the Lawfare crew (DOJ), the attorney-client privilege.
The lawsuit itself is the transfer mechanism permitting sharing of the documents and providing legal cover for the reviewers (lawyers). The details within the 108-page filing constitute the claims of the plaintiff in the lawsuit, which were established by the evidentiary documents later seized by the DOJ and FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago.
“Judge Donald M. Middlebrooks, a Clinton appointee, said Mr. Trump’s filing was too lengthy, detailing events that “are implausible because they lack any specific allegations which might provide factual support for the conclusions reached.”
There were no attachments and/or citations to the documentary evidence in the 108-page filing, because there was a legal risk to citing evidence with a status in dispute by the corrupt people in Main Justice and the FBI. Secondarily, there was an obstruction risk to the President, if his legal team was to publish citations that were part of an ongoing investigation (Durham). However, this doesn’t negate the value of constructing the information silo, an attorney-client privilege.
If the documents seized by the FBI were part of the lawsuit established by President Trump and his legal team via Trump -v- Clinton, then the material seized is attorney client work product. Lawfully obtained, constitutionally declassified and legally protected material.
This is where the ‘special master’ will play a key role.
Keep watching.
I hope it does drag on, and on, and on. doj and fbi, judicial system et al always drags on and on. doj protests too much. They are still trying to cover up the coup. They must continue to cover the coup. They do not want names and sources out.
Meanwhile, they continue to leak documents that were taken during the search.
Why can’t the court sanction the government attorneys every time there is a leak?
Very good question!
As much as the DOJ is leaking said documents, it would seem that they are much safer and secret out of the hands of government employees.
To be clear…
‘said’ documents are not being leaked…they want NO ONE to see those documents. That is why they are panicked…
Right, the info was enjoined per first letter from the court.
This is why link
“doj protests too much”…exactly my thinking. I thought the same coming from Mrs Clinton in the run up to the 2016 election. She seemed to be too on top of the allegations against Trump pertaining to the claim of Russian collusion. She would make a claim publicly, that would then be picked up, supported by and broadcast widely by the MSM. I smelled a rat right then and this from the DOJ and FBI currently smells the same to me.
A simple step back from this would likely reveal its not just the corruption of the doj/fbi/mueller,, those documents likely implicate the kenyan
That would explain all the urgency here!
IMO All roads of corruption lead to Buraq the great human / child trafficker.
Oh, THAT would just make my day!
Agreed 100%
I don’t get the fib’s “sources and methods” thing…let’s see
investigate
intimidate
lie
cheat
steal
make $hit up
that about covers it…right?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/W4ERG9bqTfv9/
-AmazingPolly
“Trump Accountability Project”
That’s the way they roll.
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The FBLie, Starring Chrissy Wray.
Why would you want President Trump to spend millions on endless legal fees for this?
Amendment VI – “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury..”
Does anyone know the process or procedure of the special master?
For instance, the special master looks at one of the documents. The document is marked “top secret”.
OK, then what?
Does the special master ask DOJ to authenticate the document? Does the special master ask Trump’s lawyer if Trump declassified the document? Does the special master ask if the document is part of Trump’s personal papers?
What is it exactly what the special master is supposed to be doing?
Good questions. I do not know the answers. I also believe the Judge may have also instructed the SM on what he is to do.
A lot of questions the people need answers to.
The SM got burned by DOJ when he was on FISA court. Maybe payback time
The SM has two conflicting claims to adjudicate (maybe even three): The DoJ is contending that the documents are classified, always were classified and will always be classified, no matter if Trump declassified them during his presidency. The Trump team is undoubtedly claiming first that Trump declassified the documents prior to the end of his presidency, and second that because of his lawsuit against Hillary et al, these declassified documents are Attorney-Client privileged documents that the Government cannot possess. Sundance has expounded on this recently stating that it was a brilliant approach to preventing the DoJ from stealing back all of the documents from the Crossfire Hurricane corruption within the DoJ, FBI and the IC.
The one thing that needs to be added here is that it is not the Special Master who decides the answers to the questions being posed. It will be Judge Cannon making the decisions based on the findings of the Special Master’s investigation documented in a REPORT from the Special Master to the Judge.
Will it all be on Cannon? The criminal chgs that the DOJ are pursuing that the raid was in furtherance of, will be filed in a DC court.
It’s my opinion that is why Trump didn’t claim he declassfied or has exec privilege at this point, those claims are more appropriate to DC case?
The SM thing has kinda bulloxed what’s what
So, it comes down to “he said” “she said”?
And the third issue, not “possibly” but certainly IMHO, is the Presidential papers act.
The act and court rulings are that a former POTUS has absolute authority to decide what papers are his personal papers, and which are Govt papers, and in any dispute between the archivist and the former President, the former POTUS’s word is final.
Hence, PDJT has 3 ways he can win; if the SM finds the documents are declassified, if the SM finds the documents are protected by A/T priviledge, and if the SM finds the documents are PDJT’S personal records, rather than belonging to the Gov.
And yes, technically itis the Judge, ultimately that makes the ruling, not the SM.
However, its highly unlikely the Judge would rule contrary to the SM reccomendation.
The SM will have seen the docs, not the Judge and why ask for a SM, and then rule contrary?
It seems apparent that (why) President Trump has been documenting his actions while President
via social media
-all along.
He has posted the actual signed letters.
Dutch,
What are your thoughts on our first constitution the Articles Of Confederation?
Most likely the SM will ask both sides for their interpretations on the matter of classification, Executive Privilege, and Attorney-Client Privilege. The Trump side will produce the President’s various declassification orders. The DOJ will claim that Pres. Trump had no legal authority to declassify the documents. The SM gets to decide who is right. Legally, this is a slam dunk for Trump. It all depends on if the SM is an honest man. The point of the SM is to go through all the documents because the Judge doesn’t have the time to do that. Even if the SM produces recommendations the Trump team doesn’t like, they can still challenge the recommendations wrt specific documents.
The biggest problem that DOJ has is their ludicrous claim that the documents are “government property” and that Pres. Trump has no right to possess government property. You have to ignore a hell of a lot of laws and precedent to produce that laugher. They’re also now making the SM the bad guy by claiming a retired Federal Judge who sat on the FISC (and therefore held the highest security clearances) cannot be trusted to make determinations of the DOJ’s claims. That’s truly a laugher.
The Secret Police took 11,000 pieces of paper, tossed the closets and personal mementoes of Melania and Barron, bragged about the raid displaying the ‘secret papers cover letter’ on the internet over 100 pieces of paper in dispute?
Camouflage.
Wonder if Meadows made a copy of the materials he turned over to DOJ on his way out the door?
Biden DOJ’s Appeal to Regain Access to Trump Docs Is Flawed in the First Sentence of Their Motion
Cannon denied the DOJ their request for a partial stay to prevent the allegedly “classified records” — about 100 documents — from being turned over to the special master with the rest of the records for evaluation. Fascinating.
The Court does not find it appropriate to accept the Government’s conclusions on these important and disputed issues
without further review by a neutral third party in an expedited/orderly fashion
In other words, the judge wasn’t just accepting the government’s representation. The judge said:
“[S]ome of those materials undisputedly constitute personal property and/or privileged materials [ECF No. 64 p. 13]; the record suggests ongoing factual and legal disputes as to precisely which materials constitute personal property and/or privileged materials [ECF No. 64 p. 14]; and there are documented instances giving rise to concerns about the Government’s ability to properly categorize and screen materials[.]”
The only thing that the judge gave the government was that she would have the special master prioritize those 100 documents to have them looked at first for evaluation.
The DOJ’s effort to prevent the special master from seeing the documents failed which means that they likely wouldn’t be able to have false leaks about what was seized, ONCE THE SPECIAL MASTER GETS HOLD OF THE DOCUMENTS.
So, if they were going to have a “let’s leak” effort UNTIL the election, this might have just put a stop to that. PLUS, the special master is also going to hopefully give a fair hearing, so Trump gets his documents back. Also, the special master, BEING A JUDGE, WILL BE AWARE of the law regarding the Presidential Records Act, which gives the former president virtual control over his records.
The ONLY thing that the judge gave the government was that she would have the special master prioritize THOSE 100 documents to have them looked at first for evaluation.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/09/17/biden-dojs-appeal-to-regain-access-to-trump-docs-is-flawed-in-the-first-sentence-n2613232
First article I’ve read that creates a distinction between originals and copies. Trump will get indicted for something, but not Presidential Records.
On numerous War Room appearances and also on several Fox News shows, Mike Davis https://article3project.org/our-history/ has made the point for weeks that the Presidential Records Act absolutely gives former presidents the right to have a copy of their records, including classified.
And obviously since we are no longer in the age of typewriters, the originals are in digital form, Word or PDF files. Does the National Archives have the original Word or PDF files or copies of them or where are they kept?
No, the “originating agency” (FBI, DOJ, CIA or Bureau of Weights and measures for that matter) ALWAYS retains the originals.
If the archives want a copy, they can request one from the originating agency.
Thats why the fact that what DOJ is fighting to get away from PDJT are COPIES,is a vital point.
Its like if PDJT, upon leaving the WH, had taken the Declaration of Independance; is it the ORIGINAL, or is it a copy purchased from the gift shop; makes a BIG difference!
Excellent point Dutch
You’re a prophet?
No. Just thinking they will pick a charge they can win. J6 seems a better bet.
Indictment =shooting war.
I know DOJ has taken this pretty far, but the more ruckus is caused over docs Trump has a right to have, the more clamor there will be for the public to see them.
And how do you know this? Link please.
Just think a J6 charge more likely to get a conviction.
Yeah, for spitting on the sidewalk.
And I’m sure he never did I that either.
Something….anything…..The emoluments clause, the Hatch act, mean tweeting
Too simplistic, our enemy doesn’t work that way.
The goal of the “insurance policy” was NOT to impeach (and convict) PDJT, because that would require a majority of Senators, including REPUBLICON Senators, to go ON THE RECORD, as voting to convict, and remove from office, a sitting Republican POTUS.
The Insurance policy, modeled after Watergate, was to have Lindsey tell PDJT “there are enough R votes in the Senate to convict. For the sake of partyand country, you must resign.”
ALL of the lieing leaks, and constant daily drumbeat of negative publicity was intended to drive down the Publics support of PDJT, to the point that it would be credible that the R senators could be willing to vote to convict.
I do not think they will indict, or intend to, although ‘desperate times call for desperate measures’ and when we are talking about people that embrace “by any means neccesary” as their credo, that are in a corner, anythings possible.
I THINK they are once again attempting to build up the “beginning of the end” narrative, as they have done so many times before.
And, just like every other time, they will ultimately fail.
It’s DC. The DOJ could literally indict him “for something” and get a DC judge and GJ to bless it.
The arguments presented by these radical scum are always the same. No matter if it’s a television interview or a legal filing or a political platform …they always use the same basic framework to promote their lies. They build from a premise that is faulty and then create a multitude of constructs based upon the initial faulty premise. Perhaps the hope is that no one will see through all of their constructs and drill down to the heart of their nonsense which of course could be easily disproven.
it’s sort of like building a house and a foundation of sand. The house may be pretty but ultimately it’s going to fall apart. All anyone has to do is focus on its foundation to see how weak it really is.
why isn’t the judge calling in DOJ attorneys and giving them a warning on leaks and letting them know if they continue she will find them in contempt? Why is this allowed to continue?
Leftist lawyers are professional liars, who’s job is to confuse judges into buying circular arguments and logical fallacies to rule in their favor.
Notice how the DOJ and media studiously avoid calling the documents “classified”.
There’s also the small problem of the Presidential Records Act. The underlined portions of the appeal are an attempt to completely nullify an Act of Congress.
The other problem the DOJ has is how scrupulous the Judge has been in documenting the DOJ’s false assertions in her courtroom. Documents so classified they get leaked to the Post. Privileged documents so protected they get leaked to the Post.
If the 11th refuses to take up the appeal, or rules against them, expect the DOJ to claim the documents have been lost or burned in a fire. Just like their false claims about being unable to find the original Flynn 302’s. And all the lost exculpatory materials that were mysteriously found in Bob Mueller’s office.
They’re very close to having the warrant quashed and being ordered to return everything to Pres. Trump.
The other danger to the DOJ is that is the SM determines the documents are subject to Pres. Trump’s declassification letter, Trump can immediately post them online for the world to see. He always could have done that, but would now enjoy legal protection and could no longer be subject to an obstruction of justice charge.
Not to mention about a dozen FIB agents erasing their phone messages.
They have probably shifted to using draft emails to communicate with each other instead of text messaging. Granted, they have some pretty stupid people working there (e.g., Peter Strzok and Lisa Page), so I’m sure some of them are still texting each other about this. But the higher-ups know how to evade capture. What they have to worry about is the Junior Woodchucks on the team who are too smart by half.
To be more explicit. First you get ahold of an innocent third party and create an email account,then erase everything from their computer so they don’t know it exists. Next you share this account amongst the conspirators. Then you write a draft email but don’t send it. Finally the other conspirators log into the account and read the draft email, delete it and maybe write a draft email in response. The other conspirators may use the same technique and have their own anonymous email account. And a further level of security would be to to use a public computer like the library
Yep. Government employees have been using accounts like this to rig contracts for years.
Making any records public requires the removal of them from the ” the FBI/DOJ ” inclusive criminal investigation status….will the SM review change that???
By definition, for the SM to review the documents, the SM must have access to the documents. He’s almost certainly going to expect the materials to be delivered to a neutral location. The DOJ knows this which is why they’re throwing up the “national security” excuse. Nixon tried that, too, and look how that turned out for Nixon.
No, but Durhams recent announcement that he is “winding down” his investigation, and in the writing a report stage, nullifies this.
HOW can PDJT releasing these documents interfere with or obstruct an investigation that is “winding down”?
As for interfering with the DOJ investigation of PDJT for “mishandling classified info” the SM findings could well make that investigation mute, so no Obstruction charge there.
Problem is Darchenko and other patsy’s going to trial for the time being, so BULL Durham ending his “investigation” is not enough.
What ever BULL Durham has accumulated and designated as evidence will be hidden until the sham hearings are done.
Given the utter lack of shame on the part of the current DoJ and FBI, BULL durham could even hand off his materials them and they start a prosecution. BULL Durham does not have to be on the one doing the indicting.
Hokkoda: “The other danger to the DOJ is that is the SM determines the documents are subject to Pres. Trump’s declassification letter, Trump can immediately post them online for the world to see. He always could have done that, but would now enjoy legal protection and could no longer be subject to an obstruction of justice charge.”
This is a key point. While the Durham investigation is in progress, Trump would run the risk of being charged with obstruction of justice if he posted the documents online.
The issue of obstruction goes away if the Durham investigation ends. And presumably the risk of a charge of obstruction also ends if the Special Master determines that Trump can legally hold copies of the declassified material and can do with them what he pleases.
Another point. The Operation Crossfire Hurricane documents only have value to PDJT if he knows he will be running for a second term as president in 2024 and that he will be using the 2022 mid-terms as the starting point of his 2024 campaign, even if he doesn’t formally declare before November 8th.
Otherwise it wouldn’t matter to the Biden and to the DOJ if he had copies of the Crossfire Hurricane documents. It only matters if Trump is a serious threat to the Democrats in the 2022 mid-terms and that he will be an even more serious threat for 2024 if MAGA Republicans sweep the election.
Even in the political context, it would not have made sense for Trump to release the Crossfire Hurricane documents before he had formally declared fof 2024. The Mar-a-Lago raid and the fight over the documents is a double edged sword for Biden and the DOJ because it will raise public awareness of the value of the documents in proving what kinds of actions the Deep State was taking against Trump while he was president.
Have you noticed that there is no serious talk at this point of building a Donald Trump presidential library? The obvious reason for this lack of talk about a library is that Donald Trump’s time as President of the United States isn’t definitely over.
I think that’s why Durham is conveniently “ winding down “.
He doesn’t want to be the one left holding the bag.
Probably so. But another reason is that Durham knows he cannot obtain a guilty verdict against any Spygate perp from a Washington DC jury, regardless of how clear is the application of the law and regardless of how powerful is the evidence of guilt.
If retribution for the Spygate perps happens, it must come through action by the Congress and by a MAGA president working through the political system to effect a take-down of the administrative state.
This is yet another reason why the Democrats, their RINO fellow travelers, and the administrative state are moving heaven and earth to steal the 2022 mid-terms and to keep Donald Trump off the ballot in 2024.
If this is indeed an ongoing criminal conspiracy, then it’s unlikely the Statute of Limitations will expire on these crimes any time soon.
Conspiracy is a continuing offense. For statutes such as 18 U.S.C. § 371, which require an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy, the statute of limitations begins to run on the date of the last overt act.
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-652-statute-limitations-conspiracy
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-923-18-usc-371-conspiracy-defraud-us
If we could only get someone to prosecute it…
You make a good point, though. The DOJ has been at this since 2015. They keep the crime alive through continued false investigations. And, it’s the same exact people behind it. Even if there was a statute of limitations, they keep committing the same crimes again and again.
Sadly, the only solution to this is going to be a massive public revolt, hopefully at the ballot box, followed by heads rolling inside the Government Party. They’re not going to stop. It’s going to require a purge so epic that it is remembered for generations.
The ballot box? I was just reading about how Susan Rice has taken over a White House program to make sure the right ballots in the right congressional districts are counted in November. I think they’re going to steal this one too.
Why wouldn’t they? Who is going to stop them?
US, thats who. We now KNOW, thanks to the work of a lot of people, True the Vote, Mike Lindells group, and many others, EXACTLY how they stole the election.
And, we know EXACTLY how to defeat their system.
Cheating gives ONE side an unfair advantage, which is why people cheat.
But, if you put the cheater in the position of having to expose that they are cheating, the advantage evaporates, becoming a disadvantage.
Think of the movie “the Sting”, and the poker game.
By swamping the vote with overwhelming turn out, by countering attempts at voter suppression, we force them to have to generate so many ghost votes that the cheating becomes too obvious.
90+ percent of PDJT endorsed candidates have made it thru the primaries.
Not because they didn’t TRY to cheat to knock them out, but because our counter-strategy WORKED.
So just STOP sith the bullshit false narrative, its illogical, counter-productive voter suppression.
TY Dutch. I needed that.
There are only so many precincts the Democrats can get 110% voter turnout in. Everyone (on our side) needs to keep close watch on their own precinct voter totals and final tallies. A few here, there will add up to theft in the closer races. This time let voting be an all day family outing like when I was a kid.
Oh, don’t get me wrong, the steal is on. The problem they all have is that at the end of the day, there are only so many votes than can be stolen and still have the numbers add up. You might be able to get away with that in big D cities like Philly, but it does little to no good in House races where it would be pretty obvious first of all. The fraud threshold seems to be about 10%. If MAGA Republicans turn out in epic numbers and avoid mail in voting, the fraud can be overcome. Not 100% of the time, but a lot of it. Day-of voting screws up the turnout models used by Democrats to compute how many votes they need to manufacture. Conversely, mail in voting advantages by Democrats tell Republicans just how many people they need to have show up on Election Day. In-person voting also eliminates the whole signature verification fraud (where the mail in ballot signatures are separated from the ballots and destroyed).
Just do not vote by mail. Take your ballot to the precinct in case they claim you’ve already voted, and spoil the ballot there. Then vote. The fraud is in the mail-in voting, so we have to kill it.
Here in Washington state it’s mail in voting. Our household been taking our ballots to local election office the day of election.
Yes, look how many (that we know of) vans with ballots that rolled in late night, hidden boxes of ballots, unguarded warehouses with ballots and dom machines in 2020. Record EVERYTHING you see
This^^^!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Blackmail begins, again shopping for Judges with media in tow
The Special Master appointed by judge Cannon is a former FISA Judge. Judge Raymond J Dearie likely has seen thousands of classified documents over the years
Judge Dearie signed the FISA warrant against Carter Page:
While serving on the FISC, Dearie signed off on and approved the final warrant to surveil Carter Page as part of the FBI’s original investigation into whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russian government to influence the outcome of the 2016 presidential election.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-picked-special-master-candidate-signed-carter-page-fisa-before-fbi-misconduct-discovered
So Judge Dearie is about to get a first hand look at the corrupt sources and methods used by FBI to lie to the FISC while he was a sitting judge on the FISC.
Set up a claim of “conflict of interest” against Judge Dearie by lawfare? Or would that be counter productive since it throws suspicion on why you wouldn’t want this particular judge to see the documents?
Yes, and that might work against the DoJ because they lied to the FISC multiple times. Judges usually don’t like people lying to them or even being deliberately untruthful. After Judge Collyer released her report about the abuses by the FBI and DoJ regarding their submittals to the FISC deliberately not including any exculpatory evidence or even a portion of the Woods files to support their submittals, Judge Dearie might just have his own axe to grind against the DoJ for the repeated lies and flagrant violation of the Patriot Act rules for requesting a Title -1 surveillance order. This could get very interesting. Would love to see Judge Dearie pin the DoJ’s ears back on his assessment of the documents as well as Judge Cannon being irritated that they decided to go over her head to the 11th to appeal her well-reasoned opinion.
I suppose the DoJ may think this judge will be like Barr and prioritize protecting the institutions.
Too late to claim a conflict.
DOJ stipulated to his choice as SM.
The time to raise conflict is passed.
In the real world anyway.
He’s also now getting a first hand look at how desperate the DOJ is to hide these documents.
The DOJ, and their “100 documents”, are now in the same position as Nixon and the tape recordings.
I was thinking the same. There are documents that the DOJ doesn’t want Dearie to see, thus further exposing their crimes.
DJT has them by the bootstraps…..
They are also desperate to regain “access” to the documents to stay on their “October Surprise” timeline for indicting and arresting Trump before the midterms to show what will happen to the rest of the MAGA candidates if they are elected.
The evidence of their sedition to overthrow a duly elected President of the United States.
Must protect sources and methods = Must coverup evidence of our crimes.
When we see the proof of that they will be hunted down like animals . Justly so .
Sundance…who are you….(don’t answer).
Your understanding of the machinations of our corrupt government is more than impressive.
In less than two years the Biden Regime has:
Destroyed our domestic energy production and all but depleted our strategic oil reserves.
Recklessly abandoned $85 billion dollars in US military equipment in enemy territory.
Facilitated the flow of Chinese fentanyl poison into our homeland killing untold numbers of Americans.
Endeavored to facilitate the acquisition of nuclear weapons by a regime that has proclaimed the US and our allies are their sworn enemies and ‘wipe them off the face of the earth’
Thrown open our border to an unending parade of unvetted illegal foreign invaders who haven’t the ability or inclination to assimilate.
Created an atmosphere of abject lawlessness.
Cripled our economy.
AND THE DOJ WANTS THE COURT TO BELIEVE SOME DOCUMENTS IN THE HANDS OF A FORMER PRESIDENT POSE A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK?
Cut me a friggin’ break, Ladies.
The $85 billion is just the hardware. The ammunition bunkers probably held many billions in bullets , bombs, plus fuel, etc
The doj… obviously have no regard for The Law ,
nor for the honor
due to any respectable Judge.
They —literally use laws and or technicalities
as game pieces.
-Talk about gaming the system!
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May the Holy Spirit
-guide the honorable
-awaken the unjust
– put the fear of God into the dishonorable
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God, Bless America.
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Create distraction while rounding up the population
that impacts the elections.
Just a reminder…
Isn’t Justice Clarence Thomas the SCOTUS justice overseeing this judicial district (11th Appellate)?
Yes
In the bigger picture it’s well past time to simply delete the majority of the government’s ability to classify documents to begin with.
Solutions from a 10,000 foot view that the majority never think about.
The Left, GOPe, MSM and the Biden regime is not happy about the delay. Dearie was given until November 30 to finish his review of the documents, well after the midterms. The Queen’s timely death/funeral(took the raid off the front page) and the appointment of a special master has thrown a wrench into their plans to indict Trump before the midterms.
At tonight’s rally DJT should whip out the documents and read them to the crowd and TV audience.
Also print out a bunch of copies and hand them out to everyone.
I think what’s coming may actually be even better. The DOJ has set themselves up like Nixon and the tape recordings. They’ve revealed that while they took thousands and thousands of documents, what they were really after is 100 documents. 100 documents they refuse to let anyone look at. 100 documents they claim support a prosecution. 100 documents that no sane judge would allow them to keep secret. 100 documents that every media organization is rapidly generating FOIA requests demanding the DOJ release – and will take them to court to try and force the release. It’s like the missing 18 1/2 minutes of WH recordings.
In the end, the warrant was released and the affidavit was released but heavily redacted. What kills the DOJ even if they release only redacted versions of the documents, is that people who follow their corruption closely will be able to quickly fill in the gaps. The Mueller fraud is well documented, and there are certain documents we all suspect exist, but don’t actually have. (Like the Rosenstein scope memo most likely targeting Gen. Flynn’s son…I don’t think anybody has that…or the remaining Page/Strzok texts that DOJ classified and refused to release.)
Nixon tried to use Executive Privilege and “national security” to keep the tapes from being released. The DOJ is trying to use the much flimsier of the two, “national security”, to avoid scrutiny. As with the warrant and the affidavit, the DOJ is in the role of trying to hide information from the public. As with Nixon, the revelation of those documents might well lead to mass resignations inside DOJ and bring down a lot of the corrupt actors inside the Government (and the retired ones outside who have been active participants like Brennan). We most likely also learn that Obama/Rice/Biden/Clinton were much more heavily involved than they have admitted.
Perhaps.
But the media was against Nixon. Now they provide cover for DOJ. And there is no Republican opposition.
The media sued to get the warrant and affidavit made public…
🤭Video snippets
of the fbi gabbing and
rummaging
during their 9 hour home-raid
-on those YUGE screens
is a fun fantasy. 🤔
Let’s hope they slam them back today. It’s real easy to “Just Say NO”.
Maim Justice.
I wonder what is in those documents?
The Russia Hoax hoaxsters complicity? Comey’s lies? Obama’s culpability in everything in his admin? The RINO complicity? Biden admin complicity?
The basic liberal/UNI party degeneracy since the Clinton years?
I’m guessing docs that back up his now dismissed civil suit against Clinton, et al.
Copies of ‘declassified’ evidence President Trump has retained at Mar-a-Lago prove a criminally seditious conspiracy and cover up existed within government and it’s outside private and political consorts, who together actively and maliciously pursued ousting him as candidate and as President.
That is in and of itself Attorney-Client privilege pursuant to any case he may bring, as much as it is his own personal record and privileged communication as President.
These documents likely detail the complicity of the kenyan
Trump has them trapped. Biggest “sting” operation in the history of the World.
Enjoy the ride!
Return of the Tick Tock club? No thanks!
They forgot the popcorn at least.
There seems to be no conservative ‘lawfare’ entities with an overall strategy.
Is there a FOIA case to the national archives for access to ALL the obama records, including any which bear ‘secret’ markings?
All records claimed as ‘personal’ by ex-president obzma.
All records retained by ex-president obama.
All records not fully transferred to the national archives by ex-president obama, specifically including any records which EVER had ‘secret’ markings or were ever ‘classified’.
All records which were declassified by ex-presicent obama.
Then FOIAs to the FBI, DOJ, for all records relating to investigations or possible raids to obtain obama records.
I think I read here that obama has 30 million records stored in a chicago (suburban warehouse?).
The response by the DOJ would have to be opposite to their behavior with PDJT.
Today’s Washington post article. Says Trump team misrepresented Florida file as news clippings. Can’t remember who the post is a mouthpiece for.
Here’s the problem with that leak: it proves Judge Cannon’s point. The DOJ is making public comments through the media about what was and was not seized which proves that the DOJ cannot be trusted to keep its mouth shut about the documents they stole. This is exactly why a SM was appointed. You can bet that if the Judge inserts herself into the 11th Circuit appeal that she will send them copies of all the media leaks the DOJ has been authorizing.
“Information so vital to national security that they can leak it to the Post. Privileged information so protected they can leak it to the Post. Lawyers so scrupulous about the defendant’s rights they can coordinate a media prosecution with the Post.”
They’re going to get destroyed by the 11th Circuit, and even if they get a corrupt judge on the 11th to hear it, Cannon will request an en banc review and they will destroy the DOJ. Judges, regardless of political affiliation, do not like having the DOJ boss them around and tell them what’s what.
unless they have been on the ‘lolita express’ to sex-captive island.
Your take is mine too . Still trying to stir up the low info crowd.
Washington Post and their latest attempt to “frame the narrative”?
The number of trial balloons that have been floated by WaPo and NYT that have gone up, burst, and immediately fallen to the ground, never to be seen again is getting ridiculous, except for the fact that the Lo-info Leftists see them and repeat them ad nauseum, and refuse to believe anyone who tries to explain that they have been totally disproven!
(Which is, of course, exactly why they “float” them in the first place! How many people STILL believe that Donald Trump colluded with Russia in 2016 and that the Hunter Biden laptop is a false plant? Even though the “paper of record” has admitted the “collusion” never happened and the laptop is absolutely real!)
My sister still Jan 6 was a insurrection.
” Leftists see them and repeat them ad nauseum, and refuse to believe anyone who tries to explain that they have been totally disproven! ”
Yes. This.
And some of them can become very agitated and aggressive when offered the facts.
It’s like they’re in the grip of an overwhelming spirit of delusion.
The willingly delusional have an overriding need to maintain a sense of ‘order’ so they can feel safe in their world, lest their vapid little heads explode.
It’s no use telling the fake news junkies that their beliefs are based on propaganda and lies. Just as people do *not* want to consider that taking experimental mRNA gene edits could very well spell the end of humanity as we know it.
So our task is not to waste our time trying to convince them of anything. We must instead work around them, as one puts distance between themselves and a den of writhing vipers.
So my question is: are these declassified documents (“classsified markings”) redacted at all? If not I have to believe that a “friendly” within doj provided these to team djt as I wouldn’t think there’s a chance in heck that anything like that would have been provided to djt. Team trump could answer this question.
In that I suspect that only humint was used for fisa purposes the heck with the doj/fbi as pretty much all those names have been discerned over the years. If five eye folks in there so be it though some caution may be in order especially if they were duped as well.
National technical means stuff should be redacted as long as not because it covers up something embarrassing.
I agree…release the hounds!
Do your homework. We know PDJT had a complete, unredacted set of copies.
He ordered them declassified, and handed off a set of copies to the gummint, …then they said “O.k., but first we must redact any ‘personal identifying info’ per Federal law.”
And they then never followed thru. Point is, this tells us PDJT had UNREDACTED copies in his possesion, and so answers your question.
Do you think he had copies of unredacted at mar-a-lago? I still find it hard to believe (even though by rights as CiC he could demand them) that doj coughed them up to him while he was in the white house.
If he had copies then probably why all the subpoenas to his inner circle trying to trace any/all potential copies.
I still maintain that any release of previous TS/SCI docs would require some level of redactions.
certainly not if declassified by the President. No ‘classification’ redactions left…
And certainly not if the ‘classification’ covers up COJ/CIA/FBI wrongdoing or embarrassment, specifically covered by an obama executive order.
When the raid warrant was partially released, and then more was released, we can easily see some of what the FBI/DOJ say, in their sole opinion, would have harmed our ‘national security’.
Having worked in that business I would consider it careless to release just about any document wit SCI markings without some level of redactions. If the whole document is completely bogus and never rated a classification in the first place that’s a totally different story. I think DJT is wise enough to not release something that should have redactions but doesn’t.
If he or his people have done some level (and enough) of redactions then let ‘er rip!!
For example?
You might want to redact the name of the ‘confidential human source(s)’ placed in the Trump Campaign, named in the IG report, and the names of the private companies/personnel allowed to 85% illegally surveil the Trump Campaign and otther political spying. You might argue that if they are named, out ‘National Security’ would be threatened because no-one would trust the FBI to keep them secret going forward.
I would argue, however, that illegal spying threatens the “National Security’, and that illegal spying should be discouraged by at least identifying those who willingly agree and do it.
I submit that there is very little non-scientific material which would actually threaten the US if public. And that the vast majority of ‘secrecy’ is political domestic power based., or relates to criminal or harmful or embarassing government activities that citizens should know and stop. Very, very, very few things should be suppressed or be ‘secret’ domestically.
It would be important to ‘de-classify’ large amounts of this ‘russia, russia’ scam to demonstrate that ‘classification’ is vastly overused to hide wrongdoing.
DOJ should be charged with obstruction.
The DOJ/FBI should be charged under the RICO Act. Unfortunately, they do the “charging”.
Common Sense
What if Judge, Raymond Dearie, knew the documents were based on corrupt actions by the IC. Because he approved a lot of them. What would he want to see happen. All the documents returned to the DOJ or all the documents returned to President Trump. Judge, Raymond Dearie represents a conflict of interest.
Judge Raymond Dearie was one of the FISA judges who signed the warrant to spy on Carter Page without cause. And Carter Page was a government agent. This means all the FISA Court rulings on Russia were tainted (illegal) from the beginning, and you’re looking at one of the judges directly involved. With the DOJ saying in so many words.
Do we (meaning IC, DOJ and Judge, Raymond Dearie) have to let anyone see the confirmation?
“Because he approved a lot of them”, No.
He approved the CP warrants, based on misrepresentations made to him by the DOJ/FBI.
We’re talking 100 documents, 302’s on Rosie, McCabe, the Ohrs, etc.
And what I’m pretty sure they did was say to them: you do not want to lie to us, as thats a felony.
So, tell us the truth, we will document it and then, by doing so we “silo” the info, by classifying it and thereby protect you.
Meaning these documents pretty much lay out the truth of what they did.
minus as much spin as they could put on it, WITHOUT lieing.
If, Dearie, knew that he had seen a lot more questionable documents from the IC and in that 100 documents approved by the FISA. What would his natural reaction be to becoming a Master for four of them with Carter Page’s name on them. I would have said to myself, Heaven Help Me.
Now think about Carter Page. Does a simple felony cover their action since July 2016?
Great coverage … thank you.
Important wording that is like a time-bomb in the DOJ’s appeal:
”…in a court-authorized search.”
The more they generate these intentionally-false court filings, the more the judges (not just Cannon, but the 11th circuit) are going to say, “Hey, can we see that search warrant? Who was the judge who authorized this?”
The search warrant is not going to survive judicial scrutiny. The DOJ fell on their sword to try and block release of the warrant and the affidavit. They lost in both cases and have been on defense ever since.
The other interesting thing is that the DOJ and FBI tried to conceal what they were actually after by seizing everything in sight. As I pointed out a week or so ago, this is going to come down to 100 documents not the 15,000 things they stole. The focus is going to quickly shift to the DOJ being forced to return 14,900 documents and then the argument shifts to those 100 documents.
Even the fake news media is going to start demanding to see those 100 documents.
General warrants are forbidden by the Constitution, so they do have a bit of a problem there.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…
Demons scream the loudest as they as being exorcised.
It is Our Lord and Savior who is masterfully conducting their orchestra – only they didn’t know it – until NOW.
Hence all the screaming. As they’re being exorcised they NOW know who is really in charge and no, it’s not the one they sold their souls to.
The argument is important because in its essence the question is whether there is something called the “government” that has separate and distinct, indeed superior, interests to the elected Executive. Accordingly, if the “government” wins, then it sets the principle that the elected President is inferior to the “government,” an entity undefined and not subject to the consent of the governed. Obviously this cannot stand. I pray that the court will recognize this (they ought to, they are smart people) and extinguish this repulsive and offensive proposition. If they do, then Trump’s argument is implicitly vindicated, that the President yet controls the Executive branch. DOJ-NSD may have just revealed, and will now lose, their abiding principle that they are above the law, and above the people.
This is just silly. “Documents with classified markings” means EVERYONE knows they’ve been declassified by President Trump. The markings on the documents don’t just disappear after declassification.
It’s like receiving a past due notice from your credit card company. You then settle up, both parties know it, but your wife finds the past due notice and insists you still owe “because this letter says past due, right there in red”
See my post above. There pretty much is zero chance that any “officially” declassified document won’t have reactions. And if redacted by doj I can almost assure you that embarrassing stuff (ie implicates/identifies dirty deeds done) would be redacted (think: recently released raid affidavit). If unredacted they probably shouldn’t be released as-is. Maybe why they haven’t been dumped as pamphlets over a football game!
DOJ / FBI must be defunded and drastically reduced in size and scope.
Lawfare’s whole approach to their Get Trump mission always seems dependent on getting Lawfare approved judges. Looks like they lost the draw this time around and are getting their fishing expedition exposed for what it is.
3 days before Dearie was appointed the DOJ came out and said they would accept Dearie. The rot is just too deep.
🙏🏻😎
“Judge Raymond J Dearie likely has seen thousands of classified documents over the years…”
lol, probably including some/many of these.
Once it’s understood that none of the seized documents are original source, all of the the DOJ’s arguments fall flat. It becomes obvious that the DOJ isn’t investigating anything, but simply trying to vacuum up the incriminating evidence Trump collected showing how government operatives lied to, spied on and harassed him, his administration and the American people.
Trump made copies (I know this becasue I sure as hell would have), the FBI probably had to order more paper for the copy machines, and the Judge probably is negotiation with a publishing company and their editors.
By the end of the month this will be rivaling the Bible as most copies printed.
How did the DOJ get a federal case before an unfriendly judge? This doesn’t normally happen.
Case was filed by Trump. They are the plaintiff.
Leak them to New York Times for publication. Problem solved. Oh wait, NYT only publishes when beneficial to leftists. Never mind.
I think they have a nothing burger and is another false flag. Possible and opportunity to insert fake documents in the end.
It would be funny if the only documents in the boxes were the wrong doing of DOJ and FBI and Trump does a document dump.
It’s malevolent genius: The self-perpetuating dumpster fire.
Maybe the Special Master can bring in Misfud and find out who he was really working for.
Thanks Sundance ,
I like your “when you apply common sense “ things that don’t make sense observations.
I’m not the brightest bulb in the tree house.
When others are as confused as I am I feel a little brighter.
Same here.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/09/14/flashback-july-24-2019-robert-mueller-not-in-my-purview/
It would be interesting to have Robert Mueller called to testify in Congress since it appears that Durham is ending his fraudulent investigation! Remember all those questions that were asked of him and he couldn’t answer “I’m not going to discuss that”, “I can’t respond”, you know the “ongoing investigation” shibboleth???? It’s another reason the Democrats have to hold the Senate and House!!! Can’t afford to have Mueller recalled to answer Rep. Elise Stefanik’s questions and those of others with no ongoing investigation going on and on!! Unless they use the investigation of President Trump as the latest “on going investigation” for an excuse!!
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From Mike Davis twitter:
Biden DOJ files emergency motion with 11th Circuit to stay Judge Cannon’s special master order. First sentence proves DOJ still has willful misunderstanding of Presidential Records Act. Trump has statutory right to take and keep his presidential records, even classified. Deny.
Seems as if the Biden DOJ (ha! That’s a misnomer if I ever heard one) is nervous.
The Special Master should absolutely review the “classified” documents to see if they are covered by Trump’s declassification memo of 19 January 2021. If so, those documents should be returned to Trump. After all, he was the subject of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, which was initiated by the FBI based on works of fiction purchased by the Clinton Campaign.
Exactly. You’ve made the same comment I was going to. How can the Government claim these are super-secret documents when they were OK with being at Mara lago for 1.5 years. Even in May 2022 they were OK with them being in Trump’s locked storage room.
The whole search by the FBI is making less and less sense. WHy did they scoop up 11,000 documents, if they were only concerned about classisified documents? WHy was the warrant for EVERY document had that was originated during his Presidency? How can these documents be Super-secret Classified when Trump says he declassified them?
If you go back to TRumprussiagate, the FBI/DOJ were making the same arguments. They wanted to make everyone believe that the whole thing was about protecting super-secret spies operating in Russia funneling the FBI data on Putin-Trump-etc. Now, we know it was just a HIllary sponsered scam, and the “Russian agents” where mostly drunks living in the DC, giving the FBI data they made up. No National security involved. AT ALL.
“Inquiring minds would now like to know” exactly what those 100 barely-described documents are. Certainly, many more – probably thousands more – must also “have classification markings.” (Also note how the filing overlooks the President’s sovereign plenary power of declassification.)
“When you start taking flak, you know you’re over the target.” There are SPECIFIC documents they want to hide, and to pretend that these are the only copies that exist.
Obviously, every classified document is stored in a secure document management system. There are no “originals.”
I’m more convinced then ever those 100 documents name Names and detail the use of Ukraine as a giant taxpayer money funding operation.
I also think the complete proof Joe Biden was cashing in off of Hunters corruption is in there.
If those two things get out imagine the fallout towards this corrupt administration and also the deep state which has been facilitating it all.
It would be clear to all that the US is currently using Ukraine vs Russia as a way to distract from what was going on and as a greater tax payer theft and grifting scheme.
May true justice prevail and warm up the electric chairs.
I have no faith in common sense of a judge!