An interesting story promoted by Rebel News, highlights the plight of an Amish farmer who operates a private market club for his products. Because his crops, dairy and beef are not sold to the ‘general public,’ and only to those who are members of the private food club, Amos Miller contends he should not be subject to USDA regulations.
Miller’s organic farm operates on century old farming practices. His farm uses no electricity, no tractors, no diesel, no gasoline, and he produces exceptional all natural yields which people are willing to pay top dollar to purchase.
Additionally, because Mr. Miller doesn’t use chemical fertilizer or fuel, his farm has not been impacted by the increased costs that have hit industrial farms. He and his customers are completely unaffected by outside influence.
However, a federal judge ruled that despite his closed members-only market, he must have USDA inspectors for his beef and cattle slaughter processes. Miller does not want to use the regulated and required pharmaceutical antibiotics, and other regulatory processes required by the USDA. He now faces jail time and a $300,000 fine. [Rebel News Article]
While CTH is completely on the side of the Miller farm, it’s not fair to share this story without providing the alternative perspective from the side of the regulatory agencies.
(Via Lancaster Online) – […] “The United States submits that Mr. Miller’s continuing recalcitrance and flouting of the court’s orders requires a robust, more-coercive civil contempt sanction than previously imposed,” government attorneys wrote in its request filed in late July. “Specifically … the court should order him to be incarcerated until he has paid these sums that are long overdue.”
U.S. District Judge Edward G. Smith scheduled a hearing for Sept. 26 at the federal courthouse in Easton for Miller to show why he should not be jailed.
And the government wants Miller’s wife, Rebecca Miller, added as a defendant in the case because she is a co-owner of Miller’s Organic Farm. That will also be addressed at the hearing.
Miller — who has an attorney, but has been filing paperwork on his own — filed a response on Aug. 5 suggesting Smith and the government are “working in concert” in supposedly violating his rights. The filing seeks a stay of the proceedings and indicates Miller plans to appeal issues in which he contends the judge is wrong.
[…] Miller first came to the attention of federal authorities in 2016, when the Food and Drug Administration said it identified Listeria in samples of Miller’s raw milk; the agency found the Listeria to be genetically similar to the bacteria found in two people who developed listeriosis — one of whom died — after consuming raw milk.. (read more)
It’s an interesting issue, specifically interesting because the members of the private food club are in a hold-harmless relationship with the Miller farm.
What do you think?
The USDA is just another government alphabet agency akin to the CDC, CIA, FBI, FDA, NIH, etc., etc., run by appointed, not elected, politicized bureaucrats with a supposed altruistic reason for their creation that have no Constitutional basis for their existence.
Meanwhile, get the kids indoctrinated :
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/indoctrination-campaign-called-classroom-month-gives-young-children-rewards-including-roasted-crickets-snack-videos/
The government gets really upset when they’re proven to be detrimental and not needed.
Let’s be real here, all this gentlemen has to do is identify as a black lesbian female.
He will be good to go.
I think it is a continued attack on the food supply that the gov cannot control.
The wef and its puppets want full control. Enter an age old farmer with century old worth farming skills who produces wholesome food-quick destroy him. Destroy him before others pick up on the deal.
This farming family must be supported. What a pathetic accusation imo
Notice that the gov attacks on the little guy are always under demonic oh democratic admins.
Picture this: Klaus Schwab himself swoops in to buy all the pristine farms, like Miller Farms, to ensure that the “elites” have uninterrupted access to uncontaminated food. Yummy grass fed beef raised on land that has never used chemicals, GMOs, hormones etc.
Its happened already!!!
I dont need to imagine it
Meanwhile, get the kids indoctrinated : Never mind that “Parasites were detected 81% of 300 examined insect farms. In 30% of cases, parasites were potentially pathogenic for humans. Edible insects are an underestimated reservoir of human and animal parasites.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/indoctrination-campaign-called-classroom-month-gives-young-children-rewards-including-roasted-crickets-snack-videos/
Freedom is freedom, and that means NO government oversight (nanny state interference) of buyers’ club food products as long as the membership is strictly private. If the buyers and producers agree on the terms, conditions and methodology of food production that agreement is outside of “the public interest” and becomes a private matter which the government has no power to regulate.
Why one would be so inclined to sign a “hold harmless” agreement with a producer for their food products is beyond this person’s reason because in the absence of government inspection and regulation it is the very real liability of personal redress for personal damage that would motivate sufficient caution in the food production to ensure the food is safe for consumption. Once that liability for personal damages is removed so is the motivation for sufficient caution.
As to drinking raw milk; it is a free country; getting Listeria from it is reckless but not illegal and should not be illegal if one is sufficiently warned as to the real potential for Listeria in non pasteurized dairy products. So, the government needs to stay out of attempting to exercise authority in matters not in the public interest even if some citizens pursuing the exercise of their personal liberty cause self harm. Until the public is harmed, keep the government out.
This is a fascinating thread. Anti-government sentiment runs extremely high here, understandably. But all the comments here, even the ones with which I strongly disagree, only confirm what I have believed all along: DOJ, FBI, USDA, FDA, NSA, Congress, the Presidency, makes no difference. The problem is NOT the systems. The problem is ALWAYS the people we put in them.
Honest honorable moral people will spend all their time trying to do a good job and make a flawed system work. Dishonest, dishonorable, amoral people will spend all their time thinking up ways to corrupt a functioning system for their own benefit and amusement. It is all about people.
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Part of the problem is the systems but, you are correct that the majority of the problem is people and always will be which is why they must be restrained, checked, and balanced, accountable and transparent, etc. Even good people are easily corruptible from time to time. As power becomes centralized in fewer hands, there are even fewer chances for good people to end up in powerful positions since the system itself rewards the most amoral and lying among us by nature. It is also why when a decent person achieves dominance over them, they react with the most appalling actions. The beast is trying to regurgitate something it cannot consume. The beast does not like anything operating outside of its purview like poor Mr. and Mrs. Miller. How else can they be brought into the government’s plan for reducing farming? I stand with the Millers as well.
The people applying regulations all live in Washington DC and are hand maidens to the Ruling Class. They have nothing i. Common with the rest of the country…i.e. “the country class” (Prof. Angelo Codevilla coined the term “country class”).
The only way to address this divide is to decompress DC. Move agencies out of DC. Send agriculture to Iowa or Kansas, IRS to Chicago or New York, get rid of Education entirely, put Commerce in Seattle or Charleston, Health and Human Services in Louisiana, Labor in Pittsburgh. Environment in Wyoming, etc. Pentagon stays in the swamp as does CIA. They would stick out like sore thumbs anywhere else, plus somebody has to protect the swamp.
Right now they view us in contempt and until these swamp critters have to live among us they will never know us and not tbink we are lesser beings who need to be controlled.
I was brought up on PURE farm products,not the rubbish that is marketed these days.I have managed to keep my health in spite of governments AND doctors(who are traitors to their oath)and at 73 can’t see anything that the governments meddling has been doing which has improved in all those years.
Free market. If people actually do get sick from their stuff*, word gets around, people stop buying, they go out of business.
*the people who got sick did not buy or consume goods from the Miller farm. The government claims a “genetic similarity” which is specious at best, as all variations will share a “genetic similarity”.
Give a bureaucrat absolute power, and he’ll use it.
More like – give them an inch and they’ll take a mile.
I don’t know any bureaucrat who has a job description that translates to absolute power. Instead, they have assumed additional powers and authorities in order to accomplish their political attacks against President Trump, his associates, and supporters.
Then, no Democrats and few if any Republicans have pushed back with any level of real legal authority. The results are that gross illegal abuse of positions and authority has occurred with impunity – no one in Congress is administering proper and REQUIRED oversight.
One of the problems with trying to stop the gov’t, any and all parts of gov’t, is that they have an unlimited supply of lawyers and an unlimited budget for using them. We the people have to pay for lawyers.
I’ve long thought of a law that states, “the state can not spend more money than the defendant can afford to counter”. Haven’t filled it out completely but it’s a start on truly equal justice in the system. Thoughts?
Yep, that’s a HUGE problem!
I saw a great quote this a.m. “when Democrats get power, they reward their friends and crush their enemies. When Republicans get power, they apologize for their friends.”
Bureaucrats know this so kiss the fannies of the Dems and ignore the Repubs.
I have come up with a law.
Democrats put Party first, self second and to hell with the country.
Repubs put self first and to hell with the party AND the country.
This explains why McConnell would rather lose the Senate than let MAGA candidates win. HE loses power. To hell with the party and the country. It is all about HIM. (Self first)
Donald Trump was the exception that proved the rule. That is why they hate him so much.
Good stuff. I might want to change your rule for Republicans. They put self first, Party second, and to hell with their voters and the country.
My reasoning: Sundance has described the RNC pretty well and it seems that the Party (as represented by the RNC) is their lifeline that – with its power of well-funded prejudice against all outsider challengers – preserves their $ lucrative seats in Congress.
GB — when have the EVER thought of the Party OR the country? Trump won on GOP platform and they did everything they could to block him. Right now McConnell is trying to get back to pre Trump status quo by losing tge Senate if he has to. They are not called RINOs for nothing. My rule stands.
I guess I’m referring to Establishment Republicans (GOPe). Their Party is managed as their private club. Trump was never allowed in, fraternally. He was self-declared Republican and won the voters’ approval but was treated as unworthy and an outsider by the Club (Party).
Few of the corrupt RINOs would be successful without the resources of the Party. They’ve manipulated it into being a re-election support organization as well as a shield against challengers. I’m a bit curious why you don’t see that.
40 years of watching is why I dont see it. Dems sacrifice themselves for the good of the party all the time…Manchin just did. When has an elected Republican jeopardized HIS career for the sake of the party? Liz Cheney has done immeasurable harm to her party while elevating herself w the media and dems…self first to hell with the party. Mitt Romney, McCain, McConnell all put person ahead of winning majorities. They give Dems bipartisan cover all the time. Dems never do that. They fall on their swords 4 the party. Dems get behind a senile old coot so that their party wins.
Ok I never stated that Republicans make sure their party wins all the time. My point is that they need the organization to provide resources for their election and re-elections. That’s it.
Give a bureaucrat absolute power, and they will absolutely abuse it. EVERY time!
Well, this is the way “the people” fight back …
~San Pablo Bay Sovereignty: 2011-03 “Maine Town Declares Food Sovereignty”~ 3/10/13 ~ https://sovereignsanpablobay.blogspot.com/2013/03/2011-03-maine-town-declares-food.html
The entire system is designed to create group-think. Even if you change the people the management system will create group think within a few years.
CS Lewis wrote “Abolition of Man” in the mid 40’s. One of the well used quotes from it is the “creation of men without chests” (men without honor and integrity). He was seeing this problem in the UK in the 40’s. The US has been creating “men without chests” for the better part of 60 years now and nearly everyone in our society has been raised on the Hegelian Dialectic of there is no truth only compromise.
it is the system. if it can be abused, it will be abused. not if, when. power breeds corruption always and eventually. you are arguing for the good guys to keep the One Ring. wont work. gotta destroy it.
Spot on. God made the Ten Commandments…some faction of humanity works to shade or do work-arounds while justifying their subversiveness all the while lying to themselves that it’s righteous. God sees.
It’s simple really: Elect good people…which is what The Founders wanted and warned about. They wanted the best from each community/state, figuring they really didn’t want to be there but would spend their ‘X’ time in government roles working to do the best job possible (because it’s inherent to their DNA), yet wanting to get back to their communities and businesses. Now we have lifetime do-nothing useless morons and cretins and every reprobate America-hater running roughshod over The Constitution and everyone in their self-serving path.
I don’t think your statement suggest, in my view that you are operating at the root level of the issue which is “power.” Power is the great corrupting agent according to Tolkien. Power is the ring, and whom ever posses that rings will do evil even in the pursuit of good. For good obtained by evil means is evil itself. That whomever is placed in a position of authority has the power to “corrupt a functioning system for their own benefit and amusement” is the true problem.
Very good article entitled Tolkien v. Powerhttps://mises.org/library/tolkien-v-power
It’s time to close up shop for those alphabet soup bureaucracies RIGHT NOW! With the help of Alito and Thomas.
94.5% of the voters in the entire DC area voted for the Hag in 2016. THAT tells you all you need to know about the vast majority of fed gubmint employees. And local gubmint as well. I retired from a job with a 50+ thousand city recently. Prior to that I had been in the private sector for 20+ years. Wow. What a difference.
The city manager told me two things that shocked me (I guess I shouldn’t have been, but I was). The first was that a city cannot be run like a business. I asked me what about what Donald Trump was doing. We had much lower unemployment, higher employment, lower gas prices, lower prices in general, a climbing stock market, should I go on? Well, he said, he was mean. He actually said that! Trump was mean. Wow. The second thing he told me that all city employees should be grateful they have a job because they have it for life if they want.
I learned hat a very small number of local gubmint employees actually give a crap. Most just take up space. Yes, they have a job for life, if they want it; most do very little work at all. Most of the employees may be honest, but they don’t do jack. They don’t care if they do a good job or not. A very small number do, but the vast majority do not. How is THAT honest?
In addition, the amount of fiscal waste is just mind boggling. Gubmint at all levels has way too much money.
A course in process engineering, would tell you the same thing. Your statement is a fact, you can make the best process in the world, and it will fail if poor quality or corrupt people run it.
It’s not good – there are lots of these clubs set up and so far, they haven’t had any issues, but they keep it more on the downlow. There are also food churches, which are similar. One lady I know, has successfully fought back so far.
If successful they will expand aggressively to force everyone to get under their umbrella of control.
No one is safe- they pick em off one by one as wholesale assault would raise too many questions in the population. The US Govt prefers to operate in darkness.
After reading the original article at Rebel News, I have a couple of questions to pose:
1) Are any of the some 4,000 members of this club outside the state of Pennsylvania?
2) If so, how is the food being transported across state lines?
It is my understanding that interstate commerce is subject to federal regulation. This is why I drive from Minnesota to the Dakotas to pick up my pork and beef at source, from Hutterite and Amish colonies.
Are such regulations burdensome? Yes, they are. Are they necessary? Yes, they are. The last time I got sick eating out in this country was in 2012. But overseas, where I have spent roughly a third of my adult life, I have contracted various forms of “Montezuma’s revenge” with great regularity– and I’m a cautious guy, going so far as to brush my teeth with Heineken whenever traveling in an equatorial region. 007 packs a Walther PPK; I pack Immodium AD, Cipro, and disposable pull-ups and adult diapers. Be wary of the fish in Thailand because the odds are good that what you are eating has been laced with formaldehyde to extend shelf life. Oh, and the dishes that you are eating off of were washed in water straight out of the tap . . . this is why you will see so many Thais cleaning plates and utensils with moistened towelettes (pack a lot of these in your luggage). Be wary of eating outdoors anywhere in the third world because the fly that just landed on your plate is not your friend. Ah, but you also need to be wary of eating indoors because dishwashers in third world restaurants aren’t in the habit of washing their hands after visiting the toilet– and third world toilets are an educational experience.
RIP, Jane Austen
YES, a lot of people outside of PA. I lived in NJ and bought from them. Now live in another state and still buy from them. I won’t eat in restaurants and have only eaten grass fed and organic for over 15 years. I look 15 -20 years younger than my peers. These are honest clean people, raising good food that is nutrient dense. They take care of the soil and conservation is part of the process, as God intended it.
Do they ship?
Good call, I only eat grass fed and organic too.
I can remember drinking milk right out of the barn.
I had to re-read your excellent, informative comment just to make sure you weren’t talking about Fresno, CA. Carry on.
LOL
In my diving years we traveled a lot in third world countries. First time we went to Mexico we were very cautious but forgot about the ice, the result was a case of Montezuma’s. After that started taking Acidophilus usually 5 days before the trip and during, and never had another problem.
If your GP won’t prescribe HCQ, you might try telling him/her that you are headed off to the malarial-ridden tropics, and would like to do Malarone or the like. I took it religiously in places like Borneo, where I managed to get hit with amoebic dysentery working up the Ulu Skrang in Sarawak– my second round. My first was in the Sahara, roughly where Algeria, Tunisia and Libya converge. How the heck does one get dysentery in a desert that’s cooking you in mid-afternoon at roughly 145 degrees fahrenheit? Let me count the ways . . .
I am over the top careful- but darn it I had coffee on the flight home on AA and almost died.
AA filled it’s water tanks from the city airport tap.
In Mexico – they should have known better as you must use bottled water to even brush your teeth.
GrandpaM said: “forgot about the ice”
On a surf trip to Bali I was riding my 125-cc motorcycle out to the surf break (with surfboard to one side and board bag strap across my chest and neck
Passed a small restaurant and it was ice-delivery day
11-year old with ice tongs dragging a big block of ice up from the street to the front door
“dragging” – as in “on the sidewalk”
‘nother surf trip, this time to Fiji
buddy and I were hip to bottled water for brushing teeth
but one day he forgot and used the tap water
got sick
opened wide in the mirror and his entire tongue was black!
we thought he’d contracted black plague of some sort
we got him a scrip for antibiotic from a local doctor; recovered in a couple days
back home I discussed it with my housemate who was interning for her doctors’ residency
she explained the black tongue was from the pepto-bismol tablets we’d been chewing before meals as a bacterial prophylactic (kills bacT in your gut as they arrive)
turns out bismuth will turn your tongue black
it’s a fun story I pull out at Thai and Vietnamese restaurants
Always avoid ice, and always avoid lettuce or anything made from lettuce such as coleslaw when travelling in the third world. Assume that all of it is contaminated with feces.
If Mr. Miller’s food products are shown to have caused illness, then by all means, he should be held liable. And I’m on board with there being a system in place to ensure that accountability is enforced, should things go south after someone consumes tainted food. But beyond that, if Mr. Miller’s customers choose to consume the raw milk and antibiotic-free beef that Mr. Miller is selling, then that’s their decision, not the government’s.
I don’t know whether antibiotics fed to beef will prevent Listeria contamination—I think they’re intended more for keeping animals free from diseases common to large-scale stock raising and processing.
Perhaps a random, end-product testing regimen would be better and a more reasonable approach. Let the Millers continue to produce natural, organic food and conserve their land…and keep them out of prison!
This is clearly an attempt to eliminate them and their community’s way of life from the earth.
the antibiotics are given because grain is poisonous to cows. The antibiotics are given to keep the cow from dying. But people love their marbled meat and do not care about the cow or how it is raised. Mr. Miller according to the article has grass fed cows, thus no need for the antibiotics at all. This was explained to me by our local rancher who only sells grass fed cows.
Thanks Adele. I figured as much. Growing up in cattle ranching in the Sierra Nevadas, it was all grass-fed until the dry season, and then it was alfalfa. No grain whatsoever.
Only grain food was rolled oats for the horses and oatmeal for us! 🤠
No, grain is not poisonous to cows… what IS “poisonous” to them is the filthy stalls they are raised in and the fact they are confined and without exercise for thier lives. To overcome these disgusting, sickening conditions they raise these animals in and keep them alive long enough to slaughter they have to stuff them full of medicine.
Buyers must learn to read their medical policies. All insurance policies issued by all companies in all 50 states must, under federal law, be written at the 6th grade level. The same level of English used in 90 % of US newspapers. Every policy has a glossary.
Start with the Exclusions clause. Read the Conditions in every section. Move to the disclosure section you signed. Pay attention to every mention of what you must do and what is your responsibility.
Everyone agrees they’re eating safe foods until they’re not. Until the emergency room decides for you.
Until the hospital bills are in the tens of thousands and half comes out of your pocket, the treatment is demoralizing and the weakness persists as you drop weight.
If the government is contributing to your med bills they will be reading it before they pay. In it will be the day, time, place, and *names* you told the ER Tech, the suspected source of your symptoms began. Report goes to the related Fed Dept to secure and prevent more expensive events.
Not opposed to raw products but suggest you become the gatekeeper of your family, verify your storage system temperatures and monitor food left out, use a probe to verify internal temps when you cook meats. US restaurants have a 3 rinse rule – cold, chlorinated and hot-hot. Pretend it’s 1910 but you have a refrigerator instead of an ice box.
You have put your finger on the flaw in Karl’s argument. Government regulations are there not only to protect the consumer from the producer, but also to protect the consumer from his or her own ignorance. “Buyer beware” simply doesn’t cut it in a world as complex as ours has become. There’s a reason why one of life’s most important lessons to learn is that you don’t know what you don’t know.
lols. “govt regulations are there to protect the consumer”… so sad anyone believes this today.
I’m curious. Do you drive without a seatbelt?
Some of us are old enough to have driven cars without seat belts and I actually own a couple I had to install them in. We also rode unrestrained in the back of farm trucks and on farm equipment for decades. Plenty of people still do.
Crade to grave coddling is a relatively new concept. I call it airbags and insurance. People think they’re invincible so take foolish risks, and that extends to what they put into their bodies too.
Experimental vaccines? Heh. How’s that been working out?
The fact is though, they were NOT shown to have caused illness. They found “similar” bacteria…. and that is as far as they got… which proves NOTHING. If it had been the “same” bacteria or even the same strain they surely would have said so.
And let’s remember who we are dealing with…. do we really trust the “lab results” of people who live to exercise control over others? These same “food safety” regulations have been used to target and ruin many, many family farms and have, in the long run, forced may off of their generational land.
Your willingness to recognize the Liberty of Mr. Miller’s customers to freely enter a contract to buy the food he produces is commendable… and only natural (law)… but it is a Liberty the government refuses to recognize which is why they intend to imprison Mr. Miller and force him out of business.
Actually we sent personnel to Russia with caution regarding food and water. One failed to consider water involved in brushing teeth. He was bleeding for three days. Fortunately Russian doctors had experience in treating. As to this case where ever you purchase food or water there is element of risk. It should be up to individual to decide what risk is acceptable and government role to identify and quality the risk.
And how is the individual to measure risk when said individual does not possess the knowledge to do so? Experience has taught me a lot of hard lessons when traveling abroad, things that you don’t get from the pages of Lonely Planet, never mind the internet.
I recall my interpreters and drivers were wonderful sources of tips. One glaring error I made was sampling local ice cream once and getting Stalin’s revenge. However, I’d prepared for it with prescription bowel stopper and survived the week-long affair with the porcelain god.
Surprisingly, in Africa, no problems at all. Follow some simple rules and common sense.
That all occurred long before the commercial internet. Comparatively, today, questions are far easier to answer and safeguards to take. Back in my day it was the Merck Manual for the layperson with an interest in such matters.
You couldn’t be more right with the travel warning about food.
You never forget first time on a gas platform watching a Trini eat lentils with his fingers and a roti, no flat ware or napkins.
Oh the good times.
After utterly wasting a sabbatical in Kenya 22 years ago, after enduring the Yellow Fever vaccine, brushing my teeth with bottled water, showering while making sure to keep water from entering orifices, only drinking boiled or bottled beverages, seeing fruit and vegetables sterilized in bleach-water mixtures before preparation, and so forth, taking HCQ and enduring all that Western Kenya has to offer in terms of privations and challenges, I’m glad for a little regulation and safety.
But we’re well past the point of diminishing returns now in the US. It’s no longer about keeping people healthy—it’s about depopulation poisoning at an industrial level, mass starvation and depopulation.
That judge and prosecutor(s) should go eat bugs!
That’s the problem…. there is no “alternative food market” to the hyper-regulated government controlled one. The government works for the massive food corporations and diligently puts as many small producers out of business as they can… while setting the entry-level costs of a food production business soaring so that no one (except the massive corporations) can enter the market.
It is not about “safety”… it is about control.
Thank heaven our traveling days are over. I always packed peanut butter crackers or Zone bars so I never was so hungry I had to eat the food. Does Homeland Security even let us do that any more?
But more to your point, we are being over run by the third worlders who now work in our restaurants. Do we think they are washing their hands just because the sign they can’t read says they must?
Caveat Emptor? Almost all licensing and regulation of all industries in ‘first world nations’ has little if anything to do with ‘protecting’ the public and everything to do with establishing and maintaining control. Second ‘justification’ for over licensing and regulating businesses is to ensure that the government protection racket gets their vig every month.
So, have you stopped wearing a seat belt?
I understand the value of safety regulations and whatnot. However, where should it intersect with privacy and freedom?
I would think that the farm should be allowed to operate outside of USDA regulations *so long as * they make that known to their customers, who can then decide whether it’s worth the risk.
Wouldn’t that be fair? It’s not like the customers don’t have other options. Or does the farmers’ choice to even be part of this society entail a tacit agreement to follow its rules? Nowadays that thought is so scary…
I tend to agree. Should we require disclaimers and warning labels that we routinely encounter in other settings?
Customers had to join a private club in order to buy from him. They signed papers.
The reason for the private club? On the theory that Federal regulations only lawfully apply when you sell to the public.
I agree. Folks, at least consenting adults, are capable of making informed decisions.
Unfortunately this farmer is going to lose his case if the current precedents hold. Frankly, the govt and the public and private establishment who benefit from the current regulatory framework have too much to lose so they will likely crush this guy.
See the case of Wickard v Filburn. This one case and it’s philosophy underpin much of the public policy decisions since it was decided 80 years ago.
Quick summary. Farmer grew feed crops for his own herd. The feed not only didn’t leave his farm but was never intended to leave. Govt said tough cookies, we can still regulate you under the interstate commerce clause. SCOTUS agreed and we are still living in that bizzaro world.
Wickard v Filburn is a famously ridiculous case. It addresses an unconstitutional act intended to stabilize agricultural prices. It was initiated during the crisis of the Great Depression and decided shortly afterward during the crisis of WWII by SCOTUS in the aftermath of court-packing by FDR. It might be decided very differently today.
Dr Shawn Baker
@SBakerMD
Starting to slip the bugz in!!
I’ll be 80 in a few weeks, and by age alone I get tired… This crap is becoming *exhausting*… but they cannot get me down!!
A born & bred New Yorker like PDJT… this crap only serves to make me fight harder…
Yes. Take good care of yourself.
FDA approved, no less!
Cow poop can be used as fertilzer and betterment of the soil. Crickets and their poop are riddled with toxic viruses, the most vile being parvo virus that kills dogs.
“Parvovirus is a highly infectious disease that can be fatal. Many dogs who are diagnosed with parvo will die. The virus attacks cells in a dog’s intestines and stops them from being able to absorb vital nutrients. This means that a dog or puppy will become very weak and dehydrated”
Parvo in Crickets –
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3196393/
Not forgetting that Crickets carry the Polio virus.
I think it’s none of the government’s business. We have all these regulations and very few are for our benefit. The EPA allows herbicides and pesticides that are harmful every single day. The FDA turns a blind eye and allows food to be labeled GRAS that is outlawed in other countries. Our food has become completely adulterated and much of the blame lies at the feet of corporations and our government. The name of the game to those entities mentioned is money and power. They have zero concern for our welfare.
yes
We let every disease on the planet walk right across our border every day.
24 Hours a day, every day.
Who buys stuff from TMZ? Where the next big money is?
https://www.tmz.com/2022/08/18/cricket-protein-powder-superfood-supplement/
Read this : A parasitological evaluation of edible insects and their role in the transmission of parasitic diseases to humans and animals
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0219303
What do I think?
Leave them alone.
If there were any smart folks within our gubbmint (there ain’t) they would realize that leaving the Amish 100% alone is the absolute best protection against any armageddon that may come in the future, they know how to do things and can teach others. Of course, that would never, ever, occur to an apparatchik.
well spoken
Or perhaps those G-folks realize exactly that, and want to make sure that no one has the ability to survive without their control and oversight. Especially in any Armageddon type situation in the future.
Time for separation of government from the free market in anything and everything, farm goods included.
Government promises to protect us have been exposed now as cover for abusing us.
These people live completely off the US welfare state. If they get sick they don’t use govt funded medical care or even regular doctors. They consult with their Amish health care practitioners. As long as they sell only to other Amish, and don’t use federal or state facilities, it should be their problem. If they sell even one ounce outside the Amish system, then they need to be regulated.
What if Miller sells to his non-Amish next-door neighbor? Why should there be a religious test?
Expanding on this religious test, what, if any, oversight is applied to the muslim food handling and animal husbandry practices? Do their slaughter houses comply to the same exact standards as all others? If not then why not. Two words that come to mind here: equal protection.
As I said, if he sells outside Amish members he should be regulated. There are plenty of examples of religious food and health practices that are not typically regulated by Big Brother. Seventh Day Adventists deprive their cancer stricken members from US FDA-regulated chemotherapy and let them die. The govt doesn’t imprison them. Amish women give birth to babies at home with Amish midwives who are not US licensed. No one imprisons them. If they stick within the Amish, Seventh Day Adventist or other sect, let them be. There are certainly a lot of regulatory imperialists on this comment board.
These activities were completely unregulated and commonplace before the massive expansion of the welfare state after WWII. Please sign the petition https://www.rebelnews.com/petition_leave_them_alone?recruiter_id=5646685
You would think that the “Green New Deal(ers) would be thrilled with this Amish farmer for having a very small carbon footprint. For me it’s important to always follow the $$ money! What may have started out as a good thing, the USDA like other federal agencies they have gone too far. The farmers are under attack and the USDA has the power to break someone they deem to be doing things against their government regulations. Even if the ‘farmers’ sue they stand to lose money and their personal lives can be destroyed. Some of these agencies have outlived their shelf-life.
Yes, always follow the money. It will lead to those who seek power, and by extension, control. What it comes down to is the government looking for ways to control a group of people that have been deemed too independent.
It’s a well know con game that the BIG businesses uses their bought and paid for lackeys in the US government to destroy their competition.
Exactly!. Government IS Big Business who crush competition; check out CIA & DEA among other ‘agencies’.
I’ve been buying from him since 2010. The food is incomparable! Real nutrition and no crap that the USDA wants. They want to kill us, take away clean protein and inject us and our animals with shots. Tyranny!!
“Specifically … the court should order him to be incarcerated until he has paid these sums that are long overdue.”
Um, wasn’t Debtor’s Prison made illegal in the US? Is that another practice of Tyranny that King Joe is trying to bring back?
Religious freedom is in big trouble in the US. Muslim slaughterhouses can break our animal rights/PETA laws for their religious practice of killing animals in an inhumane manner for their Halal meat, but Heaven Forbid the Amish do anything outside of what Big Government dictates. The Amish have always been left alone in this country and now they are under attack by our tyrannical government. No school prayer allowed for Christians in public schools, but Muslim students can be given time away from their schooling to go do their prayer rug rituals during the school day. What’s next?
I think he needs a good lawyer.
If I grow produce, or cattle, for my family, I don’t need any USDA bullshit telling me what to do. It can be argued that his customers are his extended family, that they KNOW how the produce is raised, and accept that. Even a mediocre lawyer should be able to handle that.
He does need a lawyer, but, if he had declared himself to be a U.S. national instead of a U.S.citizen he would be outside their jurisdiction.
People need to realize that the FDA regulatory and testing regimes do NOT prevent the occurrence of food-borne illness. Contamination and disease occur even where “best practices” prevail.
What the FDA does is establish traceability and accountability. It also provides consequence management, limiting downstream damage that would otherwise occur in the absence of testing and traceability.
All of this is already in place naturally in the case of Miller’s farm, even in the absence of FDA oversight. All Miller’s customers know exactly from where they got their food. In the event of trouble, it is immediately traceable to Miller. FDA oversight adds NOTHING.
FDA oversight adds fascist “agents” jackbooting all over Mr. Miller’s farm unannounced and even unknown to the Millers, sampling this, testing that, examining the other…. all in the name of “safety”.
For those in favor of mandating FDA control over Miller’s farm, do you also insist on FDA control over the tomatoes and other vegetables you grow in your own backyards? If not, WHY not?
This seems to be USDA, not FDA but it is probably worth asking why 2 agencies to deal with the same general thing.
all he has to do is open a PMA (private membership Association) and change the name of his store and he can sell to members and the government cant do shit about it because it is a private club
By the way, all freemasons are PMAs, all good old boys club are PMAs (no women allowed and dont get sued)
the elite use PMA, it is time foe us little people to build communities the same way by using their own tools
PMA is the future
It’s the processing, not the sales, that’s the government’s problem:
“Judge Smith, who ruled from the bench after hearing three hours of testimony on June 28, issued his detailed order on June 30. It states that Miller’s Organic Farm includes a slaughter and/or process facility for poultry and meat located at 648 Millcreek Road in Bird-in-Hand, PA, which is within Lancaster County. “Because Miller’s Organic Farm is a slaughter and/or processing facility, defendants are obliged to provide USDA with a) access to the farm’s business operations; and b) an opportunity to examine defendants’ facilities, operations, and records,” Smith’s order states”
https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2016/07/inspection-of-millers-organic-farm-is-july-11-raw-milk-at-issue/
That is exactly what he did….
I believe all of US are, The Millers
mary
First time commenter. Have followed discussions for several years and such respect for the Treepers and Sundance!
I have eaten Amos’ raw dairy and his meats on a daily basis for about 10 years. I am so appreciative that I can get such healthful, unadulterated food. My health has improved steadily with it.
I want the choice to receive this food. I have educated my self on raw dairy and on the downside of adulterated dairy and meats. I dont eat it just because it tastes so much better but because it improves my health and because it is truly SUSTAINABLE. I admire their hard work to produce such food.
I am grateful to Sundance for putting this on the CTH website.
Welcome to commenting at the Treehouse mary! 😀
I am in the camp, that would support the amish farmer. The reason is that it is a club and it is always buyer beware. He makes a mistake and his business is over. However stores that are open to the public, I support the FDA is those cases. At my church I was involved in the breakfast club to raise money for the attached grade school. If we had made a mistake, the breakfast offer was over. We never did. The government must make allowances for these efforts.
No one forces anyone to do business with him
And therein lies the problem. Government has a difficult time acknowledging that something can be accomplished without the use of force.
Or without their invovlment or “oversight”…. They have forgottent that our rights come form God, not government. They have also forgotten that the authority they exercise belongs to us, the individual… and they are only exercising it as our agent. We can withdraw that authority we vest in them at any time for any reason or no reason.
Common Sense
If I were a friend of this Amish farmer. I would encourage him to use the following USDA article. To point out, just how badly the USDA has errored. The estimated deaths from COVID-19 are 40 million worldwide and growing. Why would anyone want to accept the mandate from any organization that has taken part in the destruction of so many human lives. This does not include the massive number of people damaged by the same non-vaccine.
To the Judge, I would say – can I do worse than the USDA? And, why in the name of GOD are you not supporting me?
“Some may have concerns, and that is perfectly reasonable. USDA believes we can trust what doctors and scientists are saying. COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and will save lives. Millions of people have already safely received these life-saving vaccines.
USDA is encouraging our employees to get the vaccine as soon as they have access to one, and as our offices begin to reopen, we also encourage customers our staff may encounter in the workplace to get one. More and more states are increasing the number of COVID-19 vaccines available to their residents.”
https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Assets/USDA-FSA-Public/usdafiles/State-Offices/Alabama/01000202105_01.pdf
To the USDA employees encouraged to get the COVID-19 vaccine. I encourage you to file suit against the USDA.
I think the government needs to butt out. The Amish have their own ways that are religious. God please help them keep their rights to freedom. That is why they emigrated here in the first place. They are peaceful and bother no one.
This case involves a number of important legal issues – they are numerous, and each is individually significant. Put them together, and this is Supreme Court material.
First the background: I am a small organic family farmer and also a lawyer. I live and work and do business with lots of small farmers including the Amish. The actual relationship between the Amish farmers and their surrounding legal community is more complex than initially perceived.
Here are things everyone needs to know:
1) Privacy is probably the most important value to Amish leaders. The reason they have rules against plumbing and electricity in their homes is simple – to avoid the requirement of building inspectors in their homes. Under no circumstances do they want strangers invading their private space – ever. So a SWAT team arriving is unthinkably traumatic.
2) There is a bit of a gulf between their claims of compliance with laws and rules and their actual performance. Particularly tax. They pay the same property tax as everyone else, and their small businesses are pretty savvy with their annual income tax reports, but there are a heck of a lot of transactions which the IRS deems taxable, from swaps to cash to labor sold, which is simply not reported externally – although they are pretty good at internally keeping track of who owes who for what.
3) Their values differ from mainstream modern values on many fronts. There are aspects of their honesty and straightforward dealings and work ethic which are particularly welcome to me as a neighbor and widow, cherishing my privacy and independence, but the way they treat their animals and children is a far cry from our modern set of generally agreed morally acceptable views.
While I abhor the zoned out, over-medicated, media-zombie practiced irresponsibility of many middle to upper middle class children today, and aim for a more basic old-fashioned style of child-rearing, I have trouble when I watch the degree of child labor which is mandatory on almost all Amish farms and businesses. It’s great to get the kids involved and have chores, and I deeply respect the focused and responsible and interesting Amish children I meet, but there are reasons that child-labor laws were passed and are universally recognized. One needs to draw the line somewhere, I agree the individual and the individual families rather than the state should be doing it, but don’t kid yourself – life is not heaven for children or animals on those farms.
3) The Amish economic system is very profitable. These are rich people. They avoid almost all interest, except for insanely low interest rates on some farms, which are quickly paid off. Most of their finances are internal, through their ‘church’ groups and ‘elder groups’ which is in fact a communitarian form of finance. There is enough money floating through this system that occasionally it attracts regulatory attention — although they work very hard to stay under teh radar.
4) The Amish system lives on the periphery of the larger advanced economy, and profits from it. They are a parasite and host relationship — biology teaches us that such relationships can be mutually beneficial at times. They are not independent, despite claims to the contrary. They use diesel engines for their shops, (no inspectors required), and get the farm tax credit for the diesel; use low paid drivers or volunteers to drive them to shops, travel on busses and trains and carpool to auctions and events — always at very tight profit margins. They do hire doctors, and negotiate good cash rates — leading to some queries about why docs and hospitals will quote a flat rate for a baby delivery or surgery to an Amish patient but not to an American looking patient.
5) By and large the Amish businesses thrive in the free market. Instead of insurance and socialized risk coverage, they take personal responsibility for the quality of their work and products. Which brings us to the lysteria cases. Here the system breaks down.
6) Size matters: I do not think the regulatory agencies woudl care if Miller did what lots of other small farmers, Amish and non-Amish do — raise their own food and share it amongst family and close community members. There are even some small Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) arrangements which link food straight from the farm to the city table which legally bypass more onerous USDA food regs.
The lightly regulated farmers markets are the logical solution to an urban desire for farm food.
But a 4000 member ‘private’ organization or co-op creates new challenges, because it takes on genuine issues of public commerce. It is not likely that the 4000 ‘members’ of the group perceive their food purchases as tomatoes coming from Grandma’s garden, and where the operation functions in all or most respects as a commercial business, it acquires some of the commercial business responsibilities which our urban consumers generally expect.
6) The old harmless agreement is a straight contractual matter, and it is going to be a nightmare to unpack.
In my opinion, the correct legal solution to this mess is to let the victims exercise their contractual rights, and to let the liability system work. Contract law has outperformed regulators for hundreds of years. Who understood what when they signed that agreement ? Did the consumers really understand what risks they were agreeing to underwrite ? Did the sellers really understand what liability they had when they sold the foodstuffs ?
Economists show that strict liability works quite well, and most efficiently. If the Miller team knew they could have to pay for loss of life if there was a quality control problem (which happens with size), then they could make the same choices as any other small farmer weighing the business growth strategy decisions: buy insurance ? risk the chance of a loss and huge payout ? Invest in high price quality control systems ? Opt not to grow the business beyond what you can personally control ?
One option which is not viable is a ‘magic piece of paper’ in a hold harmless agreement which shields from liability but does not actually allocate risk and responsibility.
This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with business. Every small family farmer makes the same tough decisions about how and where to bring a product to market, and how to manage liability.
7) A word about regulatory agencies and government subsidies: make no mistakes — subsidies and skewed financing arrangements are completely killing the small, independent, quality farms which treat animals humanely and produce high quality healthy food. The millions of subsidy dollars and public-private partnerships support the massive factory farming industry which inhumanely destroys animals, workers, land, ecosystems and produces sickening foodstuffs. Get rid of these subsidies and get the government out of supporting Big Ag, and the small independent family farms will do quite well competing on quality and integrity, and also not buying overpriced, over sized mechanized equipment we do not need.
The regulators have a problem, the regulations they are required to enforce is a part of that problem.
10) Precedent favors the Amish.
Probably the most important decision regarding parental rights in education is still Yoder vs. Wisconsin – which concerned Amish parents sending their children to the local – i.e. walking distance – little Amish schools, which dot the landscape here in Wisconsin. In this decision the Supreme Court carefully analyzed the issues and crafted out a solution. One has to read the decision a couple times before concluding who won what, in the legitimate balance between a lifestyle choice and personal rights vs. the State’s interests in health and welfare of its citizens.
11) Politics matters
Don’t forget that the Amish do not vote. The Mormons voted as a block – and it was the block vote of their massive colony in Nauvoo, Illinois which was critical to Abraham Lincoln’s success. For decades the Amish elders have advised their people not to vote and to shun politics — except for showing up en masse at every zoning hearing affecting their interests and ‘special exemption’ requests, in which case it is standing room only, with buggies outside and bonnets inside the meeting rooms. This generation of Amish elders took a different path than their predecessors in allowing the Miller team to grow to such a large organization. Historically their strategy is to avoid trouble by staying small. After this dust storm settles they may revert to the old pattern, and choose to stay small. If they do not, but marshal resources to press for their right to sell to 4000 people at a time while claiming exclusion from regulatory requirements — then the next logical step is to get involved in the political process and vote your interests like everyone else.
It is a complicated issue, important to all of us small farmers, and also to urban dwellers seeking wholesome food for their families. As an attorney, I am confident that our legal system has the knowledge, tools, and experience to craft a workable, fair, and equitable legal solution. I hope they do so.
I do agree their treatment of animals can be horrific- especially those who are dog breeders.
This just made joke of all the above,
“As an attorney, I am confident that our legal system has the knowledge, tools, and experience to craft a workable, fair, and equitable legal solution. I hope they do so.”
Okay DanQ I can see why you think it is a joke — the state of the law today, particularly in the administrative agency law where I mostly practice can make Kafka look like an optimist. But read through all of the old common law decisions — which are still good law — and you may develop some respect for what our legal system can do when it tries …
There’s something we can agree on. The current administration is not overly concerned with following the law. It is one thing to make law. It’s another to follow the law. Our legal system is capable of near perfection, but in the face of aggression it is dependent upon law enforcement for protection.
History repeats, and repeats. Just look at the Nuremberg trial results. And, you will see what to expect. First the law bends and then breaks when faced with force.
So let’s take a look at a current headline
“Aquilino Gonell HUMILIATED AS HE IS CAUGHT IN LIE AFTER LIE UNDER OATH! Likely Committed Perjury at January 6th Criminal Trial!”
How many people are in jail for over a year, as a result. And how long will it take to reach the Amish.
DanQ, it depends. Will our society self-destruct by repeating the path taken by others. We have been given the freedom of choice. For example(only): The MD’s saw the effect of the COVID none-vaccine, but far too many protected their license to practice.
The “freedom of choice”? Then why is the government so intent on outlawing all choice in the name of “safety”? What good is Liberty if the only choices we can exercise with it are “crafted” by “experts” who see us as their perpetual wards and label us things like “parasite”, “useless eater”, “deplorable”, “non-essential workers” and such? Do you really expect us to tolerate such brazen wickedness? Do you really believe such an unjust, criminal “society” could ever survive?
By God, it was given
I find your review of the environment faced by the Amish revealing, and I am thankful for it. I see a strong corollary between Amish and Jewish peoples prior to the start of World War Two. Sometimes seeking a low profile like the Amish will not be enough to avoid destruction. Hopefully, they will not wait too long before choosing their path. And, that God will intervene for us all.
Thank you for the informed post here. We live in SE rural Ohio with numerous Amish families. My husband is retired, but has been a driver for the Amish for several years now. We have great respect for our Amish neighbors, and have wondered if/when they would be affected by the federal government particularly in these times. There are no large operations here like the Miller operation, but we do benefit from their dairy and meat and are thankful for it. There is an organization called “Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund” which is available should any issues arise.
Also, we are members of The Weston A. Price Foundation which is a great resource for farming and the healing arts. They provide education, research and activism for issues that are raised in this thread. Perhaps you are familiar with these resources as well.
Thank you Christine. I have great respect for Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund. They help farmers on many levels — in addition to headline cases or lawsuits, a lot of legal work – like farming – is non-glamourous gruntwork of getting an administrative agency to change their actions in an individual case, to protect the rights of the individual and they are quite good at it.
I did not know of Weston A Price. Thanks for the lead. When in doubt I reread old copies of Small Farm Journal
Many of the claims you have made in this comment are demonstrably false.
Children working on a farm with their family is an amazingly idyllic upbringing and was the norm for people all over the Earth until the industrial revolution caused many farmers to lose their business and many children to work and perish for pennies a day in corporate owned factories.
Working animals are happy, healthy animals…. unless they are overworked and/or abused which is very, very rare. It is also already illegal and the Amish are in no way animal abusers. (Why would you overwork and sicken/weaken/kill one of your most valuable “farming implements”?)
VERY few Amish are rich… that is a very common myth. Many of them may be “land rich” but they are not rich in any other material way.
The Amish are “parasitic”? And who dares claim a right to label them as such? A blood-sucking lawyer?
You are completely overlooking the natural rights of all of the people involved (which is typical of lawyers… strain out a gnat and swallow a draft-horse)…. which are at the very core of what it means to be human and what it means to live freely among others in a functioning society. If the regulations are not protecting and upholding natural rights (Liberty, free association) and are instead VIOLATING these rights in the name of “safety” or “prevention” then these regulations are INJUROUS to society, are pretended powers and should be summarily ignored and/or abolished.
The law’s highest purpose is to protect OUR NATURAL RIGHTS… not protect our health, or our preferences, or our feelings or our egos.
I will respond to one issue at a time.
I agree with you that children working on a farm with their families has many benefits, and I am a keen supporter in theory, and a fan in many individual cases. I also stand by my point that child labor laws are there for a reason — everything in moderation, and that is why we need some guard rails.
As for the quality of life of Amish animals, and the economic benefits of maximizing the value of those animals — this is best resolved by looking in detail at individual cases. I stand by my observation — there is a big difference in culture about the value of the life of the animal. And the most efficient economic use of the animal is not the most humane.
The government has unlimited resources to to go after any American citizen.
So, government attorneys, litigators, assistants and staff need to have skin in the game.
The penalty on this farmer is $300,000.
If the government loses this case, then everybody who worked on the litigation is jointly and severally liable to pay 10%, or $30,000 to the Amish farmer.
That’s the gist of it, win or lose we’re buying the enemy bombs, bullets and bioweapons to kill us with, besides concetrating the resources of the many into the wealth of the few, the professional legal class.
What a waste of time, life and health, all to enrich a relatively few specific individuals. Thanks America. Be who you really are.
“Specifically … the court should order him to be incarcerated until he has paid these sums that are long overdue.”
A comment below brought attention to the outlawed debtors prison and here we have it full circle back into stupidity, forcing a person into prison with no way to earn an income to pay an alleged debt. Brilliant.
FDA is another unelected body of terror that needs to go.
I wondered how long it would be before the Amish would be targeted for their farm land…does one think the CCP and Gates could be behind this “obstacle and outpost of freedom” for farm land take over? Makes me wonder.
The argument that he is non-compliant to the State and behind on his fines …Oh Snap! What an easy fix our government will just take his land in lieu of the fines!
PURE EVIL.
Heaven’s sake… the Fed will crawl up an person’s butt with a microscope if given the chance.
I stand with the Millers. What they’re doing is no different than any other food co-op.
Would be a great case for an ambitious Lawyer…..go after the USDA requirements on how they are actually harmful.
PDJT taught us how Branch 4 and the cooperating state supreme courts and bar associations deal with ‘ambitious lawyers’ that touch too close to home turf …. and he was POTUS.
When my wife and I lived up north, we frequented Amish markets about as much as we frequented our local stores. Consumables were outstanding.
My barn and a rectangular gazebo were Amish built with zero defects and long lasting appearance as if they were built within the last 2-3 years even though they were built decades prior.
Leave the Amish alone.
Hmm how many commercial – means tied to the hip with US Agencies and paying them off- have never been in a similar situation??? Don’t see any of the Big Industrial Ag companies being this destroyed. With all the outbreaks in their food- it’s just a hand slap- a recall- and business as usual.
Here is a little hopium for all of us:
Isaiah 49
25But thus saith the LORD, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children.
26And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
I think the judge has misread the law on this. Hopefully, Mr. Miller has a good attorney.
Does anyone know if there is someplace to contribute to his legal and other expenses to sustain him while this is ongoing?
I received a text message from Dr. Oz – needing contribution – I asked him to help Amish farmers under attack by fed govt
Government at its worst amd this happened or started against this man during President Trumps time
Very disconcerting
Apparently, the actual case (illnesses/death) began in 2014 and CDC made a ‘similarity in genetic material’ connection in 2016, so, if true, the case has been going on for eight years so far.
This is what makes CTH one of the best sites to get informed. This story above is what most Americans still do not grasp is happening all over the country and frankly Europe too eating away at our liberties.
We highlighted Sundance’s 4 part document Raid series in this weeks podcast.
https://rightwirereport.com/2022/08/20/truth-be-told-podcast-defund-and-retire-the-gop-august-20-2022/
When I was younger growing up with my Grandparents in Wayne County Ohio my Granny got everything from the Amish. Best chocolate in the world, best pies as well as Angelfood cakes, my favorite was strawberry Angelfood cake when strawberries were in season. I was raised on Raw milk and helped my Granny make butter from the cream. Our government is way out of control and has been longer that I have been alive. I am 57 years old and sure do miss the old days and simple times that all future generations will never experience.
The USDA staff are enforcing regulations in other states with Amish communities, too. Pennsylvania is not the only one.
Even if there is an issue,
some know of state departments (paid by private taxpayers) that are cognizant to avoid bothering, hassling, coercing, other peoples’ private, legal, business.
Nothing new, for decades.
Faith and good works, a lot of good works – is something to mutually respect.
The New Schechter Brothers.
This is not about food safety. It’s an attack on food, their new front in the battle against humanity. If he had been farming crickets, do you think they would’ve left him alone.
Reading the comments I wonder if the learning curve is a dry run of what’s to come should an EMP destroy the refrigeration and delivery systems we’re dovetailed into.
Easy to overlook insight like this but with all the ‘accidents’ in the food processing industries of late, worth further research.
Imagine what ‘energy shift’ power outages could do to the food processing and storage industries across the nation. Part of the ‘sacrifice’ to reduce reliance on fossil fuels? Yeah, right.
These type situations have nothing to do with politics. It’s about the pea brained morons that manage to get the jobs with authority over others. Their feted minds derive endorphins from ordering others around with their minuscule position. A good example of this is the movie “Absence of Malice”. Twerp prosecutor abusing the system to salve his pitiable life. In the movie he gets his comeuppance. In reality, not so much.