Looks like we are going to find out exactly what Joe Manchin’s leverage was over Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer {REMINDER HERE}.
On July 31, According to Manchin the deal between himself, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden includes his support for the current green energy spending, in exchange for two new items in future legislation: 1) Streamlined energy permitting/regulation; and 2) Increased development of Oil, Coal, Gas. Both of these pieces of legislation have to be handled in a separate Senate bill.
According to Manchin, his agreement to the current spending bill was contingent upon a promise that: (A) Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer will generate a new bill for streamlined energy permitting and increased oil, gas and coal development; (B) House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will take up the Senate bill and whip enough of her House Democrat membership to join with Republicans in support of that Senate bill; and (C) Joe Biden will sign that increased energy production bill.
Here’s the important part. Senator Manchin claimed he has leverage over Biden, Pelosi and Schumer to ensure a new bill with those priorities is created and advanced. Manchin further claimed there were “consequences” for Biden, Pelosi and Schumer if they were to renege on the deal. He is quite emphatic about that point if you listen to the NBC interview. (LINK)
The only possible leverage Manchin could have of such significance would be a threat to switch parties if Biden, Pelosi and/or Schumer reneged on the deal. That would immediately flip the Senate. In the latest development, the House democrats are threatening not to support the increased energy production and streamlined permitting part.
(Politico) – House Democrats managed to maintain party discipline in passing a historic climate bill heavily influenced by fossil fuel state centrist Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) on Friday. But a contentious, intraparty battle on permitting of energy projects lies ahead.
Progressives ultimately supported the Inflation Reduction Act now heading to President Joe Biden’s desk despite it spending less to fight climate change than initially envisioned in the Build Back Better legislation. But they are now vowing to fight a secondary agreement struck by Manchin, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Biden to pass permitting reform legislation aimed at speeding up the building of oil and gas pipelines, green infrastructure projects and mines to dig up critical minerals.
“I am not going to be steamrolled into a bunch of fossil fuel give-aways just because Manchin cut a deal in a closed room with Chuck Schumer,” said Rep. Jared Huffman (D-Calif.). “He doesn’t get to run the show on something like this, and many of us will have a say on what that deal looks like if it even happens.” (more)
The barking moonbats were obviously not part of the negotiations. However, if they dig in, we might find out what that leverage was that Joe Manchin was talking about.
Ha, if he should become a RINO he can assist RINO leader China Mitch in more deception. For the people of this nation, it’s like flipping a one sided coin and losing every time.
Bingo!
…and his threat expires this November.
and either way, there will not be 60 votes in the senate or a president to sign a repeal of their putrid horse manure
Do you call a dude in a dress a chick?
Most would say no to that question.
So don’t call Republicans RINOs, just accept that they are not conservatives and move past pretending they are something they are not.
Dems are not the only ones that embrace pronouns and synonyms to pretend reality isn’t real. That hypocrisy needs to stop.
Joe is smokin’ something and blowing smoke. No matter what he now does, after the fact, the damage is done. He’ll save his own arse/his seat, not ours. Even if he flips to R, the damage is done. What ever leverage he might have is not going to fix the damage done. He’s been threatening to flip for years. They’ll call his bluff. and he’s smoke on.
Now he’ll spew he’s the victim. They didn’t keep their part of the bargain. Whiner.
All a ploy, custom made just for WVA and us.
Need to run a true AF/MAGA candidate and smoke Joe out.
SPIT.
We have idiots, traitors, and thieves running this country.
Indeed – the most telling of all our problems. They are trying to destroy to enrich themselves.
Where is the leadership??
Contrast George Washington, Sam Adams, John Adams, Patrick Henry, John Witherspoon, Silas Deane, many more (Using very well known & less so) — not perfect beings, but compared to now???
Will it be easier for WV conservative voters to replace, Joe as an “R”, “D” or “I”?
Apparently Manchin’s West Virginia constituents have learned how badly Manchin has sold them out, landing them with punishing taxes and an armed IRS to collect them. It looks like that to me, because also apparently his approval numbers in that state have been reported to have dropped 29 points. And that’s before this hideous Marxist bill has even taken effect.
Perhaps, just perhaps, if the dimwit ideologue Dems in the House scupper the Senate version and their “new and improved” version has to return to the Senate, Manchin…and maybe even Sinema, who sold out to Wall Street…might rethink their former sellout votes. A chance of a do over, a chance to redeem his complicity at dealing a death blow to the middle class and the people in his state reeling from hideous inflation which continues to rise unabated.
Who knows. Too early to predict. We know what he is. Praying this development is celestial sand in the gears.
How would a do-over work now that it’s passed and the resident will sign it as soon as returns?
You’re right….and this is what I get for posting too early…without that first cup of coffee.
However, if the House Dems interfere on the one thing which was used to bribe Manchin, this essentially reneging of Schumer’s worthless promise to Manchin, I would hope he would realize how foolish he was to trust anything out of the lying mouth of the serpent Schumer. Not that Manchin would be a prize for the Rs to capture to their ranks, but one less vote in the Senate might be useful.
Now to get that cup of coffee so strong it would show up on a drug test. Thanks again for reminding me we are still screwed.😉
I guess either:
1) This is all preordained theatre to help Manchin get reelected in West Virginia. i.e. “Look how I stood up to the Dems and made Chuck Schumer do our dance. ” OR
2) Manchin was always going to leave and Schumer asked for one last favor and agreed to let Manchin go out with a bang.
Either way, I believe it’s all a big show.
Agreed. They all get their cake and eat it too. They’d even get to place all the blame on the Right post flip, give the talking chickens something to say running up to November.
I think the Dems have called his bluff. We shall see.
With most of the US Voters having a memory span of the next TV Commercial …. don’t be surprised if the old … “phased in solution” compromise is reported and all is well with Manchin … as the compromise fades from view among the “look squirrel” stampedes of 1/6 Commission, “White Supremacists” assaulting all things FBI to defend President Trump, Taiwan, Fall of Ukraine ……..
I am sure he won’t be on any Sunday shows boxing Shumer/Pelosi into the corner.
Perhaps Joe Manchin should have paused to reflect on what happened to Arlen Specter when Harry Reid promised him that he would keep his Senate seniority on committees. Once he flipped, he found out the Democrat caucus was not about to let Specter jump the queue in the very competitive pecking order. When Specter complained to Reid, Reid just said that he (Reid) was just expressing a personal opinion, not the position of the caucus.
A deal with the devil never turns out the way you expect.
‘He who sups with the devil should have a long spoon’
I would never make a deal that involves future promises with these folks.
“I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.”
-Wimpy
Here is the deal:
Manchin and Schumer conspired to give Manchin an out. Manchin claims he had a deal for follow up legislation. But they both agreed to no such legislation.
The deal was Schumer would take the heat for Manchin claiming they had a deal.
Zero downside to Schumer. And Manchin is off the hook with voters.
NP CS both one way streets, Munch is not getting what was promised does he have the balls to move on his promise I think not just lipsetvice bs
I like this what if game everyone is playing. Looks fun, so I’m going to try:
What if Manchin’s leverage has nothing to do with switching parties, or anything along those lines. Rather, Manchin exposes tge coordination between Pelosi, Schumer, Cheney, Mitch and ithers regarding Jan 6? Shows it was Pelosi and company that orchestrated it all. Or similar.
Go big or go home with the what-ifs, cuz we all no Manchin is doing nothing but playing his constituents.
If Pelosi brought it to the floor, she could twist a few arms to support it by joining the Republicans.
Schumer could do the same in the Senate just like McConnell.
Then the criminal ideologues running the installed regime would veto the bill. Whether they could get the votes for an override the veto is questionable but possible.
The real outcome will be what everyone expected and the Democrats will tell Manchin to go pound salt.
He’s not going to switch parties. It’s too late for that and Mitch already has enough RINOs for sale. He, along with the other 49 own this.
WV needs to MAGA up and dump him at the next election.
Please tell us you didn’t believe actually that BS about Manchin having a deal the left would actually follow through on.
https://secularheretic.substack.com/p/donald-j-trump-the-story-no-one-wants
OMG! What huge Red Pill to choke upon. How do I unsee this?
The phrase “feet of clay” comes to mind.
Thanks. I think.
People may want to skip his one for own peace of mind…
Manchin lives on a yacht in DC, he has not lived and length of time in WV in a very long time.
It’s not “leverage”, it’s just part of the deal. Shumer agreed to allow Manchin will switch parties since (it is the only way for Manchin to survive in the senate beyond 2024), and Manchin agreed to “cross the aisle” and vote with the democrats anyway.
Manchine will NOT be switchin parties; you have been had if you think that was in the cards.
Manchin is a snake of the highest order. He is a Dem through and through. Wake up West Virginia! You keep electing this lying POS.
“If you listen carefully, I never said that,” Manchin said as he walked away from reporters.
Sounds like Tip Oneil and Ronald Reagan: Reagan passed a stinky bill because Oneil promised the next bill that passed wold be what Reagan wanted.
‘Trust me.’
Charlie brown falls for same trick for the 192,789th time.
I tire of the “look a squirrel” act put on by the Dems. They have proven themselves to be despicable traitors and completely unworthy of our founding. That they and their deep state stole the 2020 election is one of the most damnable things they have ever done. With their America Last mindset, Liberals will gladly give over our nation state to the globalists because they do not love their own country, the USA. What did we expect from the demons of the left and their enablers. I come here to “keep up” because Sundance consistently shines the light on the pus-bag parties and reports on their criminal acts.
Otero County, New Mexico, just voted to get rid of their voting machines and will be using paper ballots in the next election. A new star on the horizon and that’s worth a comment or two. Mighty oaks from little acorns doth grow.
I’m sorry I’m feeling a little low today. These times weigh on my mind and my morale. I have to keep saying to myself that God is in control even when it seems otherwise.
Manchin is a different sort. About the time he appears sensible, he wobbles.
Bur, he also has stood quite firmly against other idiotic left-wing proposals.
I think he’s covering his butt in WV with the petro and gas line carve-outs– and he very likely has a monkey wrench ready to toss. Manchin isn’t blowing smoke.
There’s no Democrat Party love for Manchin. Or Sinema.
Manchin is preferable to Romney and the Uniparty ilk.
This conservative (me) doesn’t want him in office, let alone in my party.
“I am not going to be steamrolled into a bunch of fossil fuel give-aways just because Manchin cut a deal in a closed room with Chuck Schumer,” said Rep. Jared Huffman (D-Calif.). “He doesn’t get to run the show on something like this, and many of us will have a say on what that deal looks like if it even happens.”
Has any Republican Senator ever said anything like this about McConnell?? If so I missed it!! Just wondering!! Oh Chuck You Schumer must be having a hissy fit! He craved being Senate Majority Leader and now could lose it!! Another result of the stolen, massively fraudulent 2020 election is the slimy, odious, corrupt Schumer becoming Senate Majority Leader as opposed to the slimy, odious, corrupt McConnell!!!
Has any Republican Senator ever said anything like this about McConnell??
Oh Hell no! The right does whatever Chyna Cocaine Bitch McConnell tells them to and he does whatever Chyna tells him to do.
“contingent upon a promise” shows what an idiot Manchin is.
If CTH is telling us there is no honor among thieves along with everything else that’s going on, then I don’t know how I’m going to handle it.
Contingent upon means you vote for it after you get what you ask for, not before.
Am I surprised that they don’t want to support Manchin’s second part? No. He should have held out to get his permitting bill first and THEN, been willing to work on the climate bill.
You don’t give something away before you get payment. Otherwise, you are quite likely to get nothing and lose the something in addition.
Big surprise, kinda like the 1990s when Republicans helped pass amnesty for illegals in exchange for closing the boarders that never followed.
Things most people refuse to recall or remember because it doesn’t fit their confirmation bias. 🙄
Manchin needs to go.
IF his leverage was to switch parties it would just be a CYA move. He votes for the bill, tells the folks he demanded these energy policies, they renege (which he already knows), he shows outrage and switches parties while pocketing who knows what for his support. I figure he was guaranteed a private sector job if he loses the next election.
If he switched to the GOPe he will be a double agent for sure.
I don’t believe anything Joe Manchin says.
Why would we want him in the republican party? Is one more dem-actor travelling under an assumed name make any difference?
Assuming a party flip is Manchin’s leverage, does anyone actually believe his voting record as a card-carrying R would be any better than…say…Murkowski…or Collins…or Pierre?
Manchin is a fool!
I read on numerous sites this was going to happen. Manchin has to have known and thus sold out his WV constituents.
Manchin is the only one surprised at this development. There is no honor among these thieves.
If it means losing power, the moonbats will fall in line. Power is all they live for, not the American people.
Another reason Manchin voted for the bill:
Infrastructure bill includes $1B for commission run by Joe Manchin’s wife
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/14/house-democrats-refuse-to-support-second-part-of-manchin-schumer-deal-for-increased-energy-development-and-permitting/
There was never any leverage. Just bluster to fool the rubes back home.
The biggest issue with him flipping parties is how he would run for president as a common sense democrat in 2024 (I’m not saying he is a common sense democrat, I’m saying he would run as one). There is no way he could win their nomination if he switched parties, much less if he did so twice in about two years. And he has no shot of ever being the republican nominee.
that stupid miserable ignorant F
“and whip enough of her House Democrat membership to join with Republicans”
Any Republican joining forces with Democrats to pass anything at this point should be voted out of office.
Joe Manchin is focused on money for Joe Manchin. Removing coal production is what it’s all about. Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates are among the billionaires paying a total of $15 million to fund a search for metals used in electric vehicles in Aug 11, 2021.
West Virginia has a lot of coal. Why would they want to cut off coal use in the U.S. It’s because they are concerned about our environment (Green New Deal). Well, I am sure glad it’s not because they want to cut off the production of vanadium.
You see, coal contains vanadium, and it’s even a byproduct of boiler slag from burning coal from power plants. But what makes vanadium important. It’s because vanadium is used in redox flow batteries (VRFB).
So what happens if vanadium is in short supply, then we would have to get vanadium from other sources, with China being one of them. What products is vanadium used in steel and batteries for example. The Chinese government has been undercutting our steel production for decades with a cheap low quality grade steel, and with vanadium we could compete in the global battery market.
Chinese Steel is garbage. The reason it is cheap is the Chinese Communist Party’s main priority is greater power and control for themselves. Pollution from their hundreds of dirty coal plants is an “externality” never costed into the price of Chinese coal.
And the disgustingly corrupt U.S. political Left cover their eyes, pretending pollution from China goes to another Planet.
We need to track down all those airline passengers who purchased those nifty rust-proof ‘vanadium’ tool-sets from the now-defunct ‘SkyMall’ on-board catelog magazines 1992-2018. We need to have them turn them in to Government scrap smelter facility in Scanton.
Thank you for the information on vanadium which I had never yet heard of. This is the CTH benefit!
However, on this, couldn’t resist FIFY, hope you don’t mind:
Why would they want to cut off coal use in the U.S. It’s because they are concerned about
our environmentkeeping their “environmental” power/pocket$$ scam (Green New Deal) firmly in place on the necks of the American people.Vanaduim….Lithium……Cobalt…….none of it is going to matter when the EV craze collapses grids from coast to coast. Starting in California, I would prophesy.
I agree about California. They will take our internal combustion vehicles out of our cold dead hands. Our huge state needs more than inefficient EVs. Plug em in in little Rhode Island or Connecticut. Not here. Never.
I call Rhode Island, Connecticut, Delaware, and Masshole the “Pissant Parking Lot” states…
I live in Assachusetts and you are correct Sir! BTW I am willing to sell you Lizzy Warren for 1 cent.
I see many cold DARK days and nights ahead if the people don’t wake up and act. For many reasons.!!
We will keep driving 40 year old cars like they do in Cuba.
Sorry, the only available private cars for the average Cuban, are those whose registration is before the 59 revelution. So that would be 60 plus years. Without the availability of replacement parts.
No fear of that. The only thing that’s going to collapse are the automakers who invested billions in these dead end niche vehicles.
It’s all part of our insane take down for the Marxist RESET.
Coal sourced electricity as a percentage of global electricity production is increasing!
Money is being made in more than one way on this.
Sustainability of vanadium production
A review on the metallurgical recycling of vanadium from slags: towards a sustainable vanadium production
The critical applications of vanadium in metallurgical field and the growth in commercialization of vanadium redox flow batteries (VRFB) have led to the increased demand of vanadium. It is thus important to ensure the sustainability of vanadium production….
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2238785421001915
Thank you
Bookmarked
I’ve had my experiences with the cheap ChiComm steel when a hose connector fused over the winter onto an outdoor faucet, could not be removed. It was not cheap to replace with proper American-made metal, but it was worth it.
And those greedy Parasites (who fancy themselves, “Elites”) are on it now as we type:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/bill-gates-jeff-bezos-billionaires-funding-quest-rare-minerals-buried-beneath-greenlands-ice-capable-power-electric-car-batteries/
Joe Manchin, in a few weeks: “I’ve never worked harder in my life to get Chuck, Nancy and Joe to keep their promise, but as hard as I’ve tried, they simply refuse.”
And life in DC Swampland continues as usual…
And the surprise is? Manchin knows these people. I have no doubt that the entire deal was done with winks, nods, and fingers crossed behind their backs. What Manchin didn’t expect was the size of the blowback from his constituents. So now they’re all doing damage control with yet another set of winds, nods and fingers crossed behind their backs. The entire deal was done knowing that parts of it may have to be given up. They don’t care. They asked for the moon and got 3/4 of it. Now everything else is for the enemedia propagandists to spin.
Everything those lying Dems do reminds me of the frog carrying the scorpion across the stream…”You knew what I was”….and Charlie Brown with pesky Lucy and the football.
A strongly worded tweet, or an actual letter on paper?
And off to his home on the beach in Florida courtesy of the DNC..