Looks like we are going to find out exactly what Joe Manchin’s leverage was over Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer {REMINDER HERE}.
On July 31, According to Manchin the deal between himself, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden includes his support for the current green energy spending, in exchange for two new items in future legislation: 1) Streamlined energy permitting/regulation; and 2) Increased development of Oil, Coal, Gas. Both of these pieces of legislation have to be handled in a separate Senate bill.
According to Manchin, his agreement to the current spending bill was contingent upon a promise that: (A) Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer will generate a new bill for streamlined energy permitting and increased oil, gas and coal development; (B) House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will take up the Senate bill and whip enough of her House Democrat membership to join with Republicans in support of that Senate bill; and (C) Joe Biden will sign that increased energy production bill.
Here’s the important part. Senator Manchin claimed he has leverage over Biden, Pelosi and Schumer to ensure a new bill with those priorities is created and advanced. Manchin further claimed there were “consequences” for Biden, Pelosi and Schumer if they were to renege on the deal. He is quite emphatic about that point if you listen to the NBC interview. (LINK)
The only possible leverage Manchin could have of such significance would be a threat to switch parties if Biden, Pelosi and/or Schumer reneged on the deal. That would immediately flip the Senate. In the latest development, the House democrats are threatening not to support the increased energy production and streamlined permitting part.
(Politico) – House Democrats managed to maintain party discipline in passing a historic climate bill heavily influenced by fossil fuel state centrist Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) on Friday. But a contentious, intraparty battle on permitting of energy projects lies ahead.
Progressives ultimately supported the Inflation Reduction Act now heading to President Joe Biden’s desk despite it spending less to fight climate change than initially envisioned in the Build Back Better legislation. But they are now vowing to fight a secondary agreement struck by Manchin, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Biden to pass permitting reform legislation aimed at speeding up the building of oil and gas pipelines, green infrastructure projects and mines to dig up critical minerals.
“I am not going to be steamrolled into a bunch of fossil fuel give-aways just because Manchin cut a deal in a closed room with Chuck Schumer,” said Rep. Jared Huffman (D-Calif.). “He doesn’t get to run the show on something like this, and many of us will have a say on what that deal looks like if it even happens.” (more)
The barking moonbats were obviously not part of the negotiations. However, if they dig in, we might find out what that leverage was that Joe Manchin was talking about.
I’m betting Mylan Pharmaceuticals will soon be receiving a buyout offer from Pfizer.
Paul Pelosi investment?
Some how I believe that Manchin was rolled. Similar to the Senator that gave the Affordable care act. Once it was voted in, all previous considerations were forgotten.
Joe trusted politicians trusted politicians to keep their word.
Joe – meet irony.
Who would ever believe, that a politician, would keep their word, Let alone any promises made. Probably had their fingers crossed, Silly wabbit.
“That was your first mistake, Flounder — you trusted us !”
Do it, Joe
Awesome comment!
BS. Manchin new he’d be rolled. He wanted to be rolled. He’ll play the victim and the dems will get all they wanted and Manchin will not switch parties. That is the preferred DC outcome, so that is what will happen.
We need to stop watching the theater and holding out hope. Change will only come from we the people and the first step will be a tax revolt. It is the answer and the only answer that will ever be. Everything else is theater and continual abuse.
Maybe he can switch and take Senator Sinema (D) Az with him. Wouldn’t that put a kink in the D plot?
They’ve already got what they could get. Damage already done. We’ll take back the Senate anyway in a few more months.
WE have NEVER had the Senate, and you certainly can’t take back something you never had.
WE may get a couple of seats in the Senate, which will be a first.
WE being MAGA, unless you are a RINO?
Your comment speaks volumes, Dutch.
“We” will never have the Senate as long as Mitch is at the helm. It cannot be stated any more plainly than that.
I think Toomey’s seat will flip to Fetterman. Fetterman’s commercials are good and running constantly. I’ve seen exactly one Oz commercial that ran before a youtube video. It claimed Oz is a political outsider. But Fetterman’s got ads showing Oz on the Hollywood walk of fame and hanging out with celebrities. The implication is Oz is not one of us and will sell PA down the pike like the rest of our lousy politicians.
Oz is no MAGA.
Yes Dutch. But in close senate a handful of MAGA will influence the actual legislation.
1. Persons saying “my party” in this thread mean what exactly? Conservatives currently have no party imho.
2. Who believes the energy stranglehold on U.S. resources will ever ease under the current control?
3. Pols only act to gain….M wants to retain his place at the trough.
You are do right. The 50/50 votes give both parties a say really and MAGA ain’t in it.
Mitch might not want that. A good expose on American Thinker this morning.
Kirsten would never go R, although until recently the StatexRepublican party would have welcomed her with open arms,…now not so much.
She’s a moonbat, and positioned from early on to be the Dem equivalent of a Susan Collins, a proxie vote (aren’t they all, but 4) to ‘go across party lines’ when needed, to protect the Uniparty deception.
The whole process earlier was to disguise NOT repealing the fillibuster law, which Dems have to APPEAR to want, but leadership of Uniparty really doesn’t.
Actually, Kirsten may be starting to sweat, a little.
Having to run against a REAL Republican (MAGA) party, is far more of a threat to her remaining in Congress.
^^^ ( difficulty upvoting)
Arizona better gets Sinema out at her next “ election”.
I will.
My first thought also!
She has peeved off the Democrats more than once in Arizona.
I wonder if they would support her if she would run again.
Interesting……
Not us. And many of our friends will never vote D.
Wow—that would truly being the definition of RINO.
Not like he’s going to get anything more from turtle than he gets presently.
Not really.
It’s not as if they are currently voting with Republicans 51% of the time.
How? They won’t vote any differently.
I upvoted you as that would be my wish but we would have to deal with mittens 2+3.
won’t happen. he’ll be blackmailed or extorted by the fifth estate long before there’s a chance of that.
Was that Bart Stupak, a pro life Democrat (if you can imagine it), who was duped into voting for it with the promise there would be no government paid abortions? He has gone the way of the do-do bird.
Yes, it was Bart Stupak, dem congressman from Michigan’s rural upper penninsula. A republican has held that seat ever since. Obama and congressional leadership lied to him and he paid the price.
Stupak was channeling his inner Chamberlain with his scrap of paper from Obama, “peace in our time!” He was a willing dupe.
Bingo!! Not needed.
He getting Stupak,,ed.?
He wasn’t rolled.
There was really no downside for him.
He’s got the same parachute McConnell has.
As a Republicrat he’ll do a lot more damage to the USA & WV.
Stupar and friends. Pro life democrats, back in the day.
Or…IRCA, the immigration act, which gave the amnesty up front, promising border control and employer sanctions which never came.
Verbal promises are worth the paper they are written on
So manchin never learned his lesson and bites the evil anyway.
Referring to the picture above, the memes write themselves….
Hunchback Schumer [with a steely glare at the camera from across the room]: “Who are you calling a swamp creature, boy?”
Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, and Other Billionaires are Funding a Quest for Rare Minerals Buried Beneath Greenland’s Ice Capable to Build Electric Cars and Renewable Batteries
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/bill-gates-jeff-bezos-billionaires-funding-quest-rare-minerals-buried-beneath-greenlands-ice-capable-power-electric-car-batteries/
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Rare?
Like the delta smelt . . .?
Well if they are going to have to go all the way to Greenland and dig down thru A MILE of ice – I’d say that makes it rare enough.
Anybody else remember when they mocked Trump for wanting to buy Greenland?
Truth.
Yep. Remember Seward’s Folly? He should have bought it – at least we’d have something to show for the billions that has since been wasted in other ridiculous spending.
I would like to see them do that using only electric bulldozers etc. Their processing plants solar only.
That’s fascinating, Charlotte99, but I’m trying to figure out the relevance to this Manchin thread .
Can you help me out?
Does he need to flip to Republican, or would changing to (I) trigger the same result in terms of (R) majority?
McConell, spit, becomes majority leader and can control what gets a vote or not.
Asking for a friend. Don’t audit me bro.
He can flip to independent and not have to change to the GOP. If he does that, then there are two possibilities. One, join the GOP caucus thus flipping the Senate to 51-49. Or two, he can not caucus with either group which would also flip the Senate to 50-49-1 with the GOP as the majority.
Like “Jumpin”Jim Jeffords in 2001, we could see “Jumpin” Joe Manchin. That would be nice!~
He wouldn’t caucus with the R’s, but I don’t think he leaves the D’s.
I think its all for show, and just to fool us rubes.
BBB is ‘trimmed down’ (perception) to what they really wanted all along, nobody notices they did NOT repeal fillibuster rule, and Manchin has an out; I got screwed by House Dems!
Currently, there are 48 demorats and 50 republicons in the Senate. The two independents caucus with the demorats, giving them the majority (w/ VP).
He could change to I and the republicons would have the majority IF he were to caucus with them.
Great minds think alike!
Sanders and Angus King from Maine are Independents who caucus with the Dems.
He wouldn’t caucus with them.
I believe it depends on who he “Caucuses” with. Sanders is an “Independent” wink, wink self proclaimed Socialist and caucuses with the Dems to dive them the 50:50 split. If Manchin did the same then nothing changes but if he caucuses with the GOP then the Senate flips and McConnel is back in charge.
Mitch would HATE that.
The larger question is…would Joe vote to save America?
I bet a LOT of red-blooded West Virginians want to know.
PS WE just found out today what I have been suspecting all along…that voting in NY has been a farce. I have suspected this for years.
Catherine Englebrecht confirmed today:
38% of NY state legislature had more FAKE votes cast for them than their margins of victory.
Over 3 million in the state of New York are 100% computer generated and fake. Over 8 million in New York were flagged for further verification.
OMG! If this holds the test of time and investigation it isn’t something the pols and MSM can hide for ever. Need I ask who (which party) the fakery favored?
You need to ask?
With the hard push to increase the illegal alien population, the non-eligible voters is going to be ramped up significantly – by design. NY is getting a lot.
This is going to affect the next election more than ever before, and I don’t see much going into prevention.
With what I saw in PA, from both the hearings and the statistician’s graphs, after the 2020 “election” I began thinking the only way to remedy this Philadelphia type problem would be to have the whole state be republican in the same way the country was meant to be.
I have been sayin, ..ain’t I been sayin!
NYS is one of many States where the rural is all MAGA/RED, and its in the big cities, where they can generate LOTS of ghost votes that they overwhelm the rural vote.
Look what we just saw, in Az. They tried to depress the rural vote (ballots in pinal and pima) and then spent days trying to see if they could pad the count in Maracopa, but we SWAMPED the vote.
Do not believe what you have believed, another red pill.
Even if you think your state is “blue”, that may not be true!
Given that there are TWO seperate but interrelated aspects to election manipulation; one is ballot fraud, with many aspects.
But the second is a State Republican party that works hand in hand with the Dems.
Every State has a political machine, party affiliation optional.
McStain in Az, Kasich in Ohio, Daley in Illinois.
If the State is percieved as Dem, the machine is Dem.
If the State is percieved as Rep, the machine is Rep.
So, no matter WHAT State you are in, you need to get involved with your State Republican party, throw out the RINOS, and with a MAGA hierarchy directing the party, get MAGA candidates in office to clean up elections.
Only then will you know what your State really is.
Make Every State MAGA.
Dutch- you are 1000% correct about New York, the most corrupt state in the entire USA by far!
Almost every county outside of NY city and its immediate suburbs are conservative leaning RED Republican voters.
Another problem we have besides the CHEATING is that the NYS GOP is worse than USELESS.
We have very viable candidates including Joe Pinion who is running against Schmucky Schumer, yet nobody knows who he is.
If there is a Red wave in November it will be IN SPITE OF the GOP, not because of it.
The fraud was all created in the voter rolls! Think what we would find if the same investigation was done in California? Those two states red would change everything.
they inflate the voter rolls through Motor-voter…..ERIC gives them real-time info on the status of any one voter……..ALL metropolitan precincts reporting must be done before there is any rural reporting or at least simultaneously…….total ballots should be revealed on election night so they do not have the opportunity to insert additional ones as needed
WSB- thanks for the heads up about NY!
Can you post a link to that info for me?
I am involved with an election integrity group in my county.
You’ve got your work cut out for you WSB.
I believe this comment is referring to the New York Citizens Audit(NYCA) “Voter Matrix” which is hidden software that creates a statewide algorithm. It is not clear to me that this particular algorithm comes from Dominion(or other companies’) voting machines or somewhere else along the ERIC-Edison Feed-cytl pathway. https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/08/new-yorks-voter-matrix-an-alternate-structure-within-voter-rolls/. This appears different from the individual state algorithms deduced brilliantly from the 2010 Census by Professor Douglas Frank. What is critical is that this algorithm is difficult to find by chance, but easy to use once located.
Like the buy off in Vermont.
Am thinking this is all theater, Joe putting out a posion pill, knowing the demonicrats would stab him in the back. Switching parties tho’ wouldn’t help much as long as we have 3-5 entrenched rinos ensconced in the republican party.
I strongly suspect you are right. It all depends on the folks in WVa. If it looks like he can get away with double crossing them and closing down their mines he will stay put. If it looks like he benefits in the next election by becoming a Republican in a very red state he will switch. Don’t know if Mitch will go along with enhanced energy production or not.
You have the right of it. Most of what we see in Congress, especially the Senate side, is theater. All one has to ask him or herself is why the hated and noted RINOS seem to vote in lockstep in situations like this, going “against the grain,” so to speak, seemingly voting in our interests. It’s because these votes are negotiated and canvassed ahead of time and the outcomes are determined before the actual vote is taken. So Willard or Lisa or Susan, who can be counted on to stab the Republic in the back when the outcome is on the line, are reliably conservative (or at least republican – small ‘r’) when their preferred outcome is already assured and their vote is not needed to feed the voracious maw of the swamp and its statist agenda.
We’ve seen some Oscar-winning performances in these political battles, primarily in the Senate, but very little that counts as service to the nation.
I never saw that (double-cross) coming.
/s
Yep. Never thought I’d live to see the day when a politician failed to keep his word.
How did Joe get elected in the first place?
Name recognition. I think his father was also long time politician in WV. They also probably think he is “old school” Democrat, typical corruption but old political values.
How did Ohio that voted for PT reelect Sherrod Brown?
ballot fraud
he was also Gov of WV before he was Sen
It may be best termed a ‘left’ cross…🤔
No leverage. Manchin got played and betrayed his voters in West Virginia.
If he did he is toast come next election. Those “Hillbillies” don’t take kindly to being hornswoggled and they have him on a short leash. I know my Grandaddy was born and raised in Sistersville, West Virginia.
A quarter of my lineage is from WV. And you are correct, those folks can hold a grudge.
The voters could make him squeal like a pig, and I would be ok w/that. Two more days until Lizzy starts to squeal.
West Virginia? More like the entire country!
I am not so sure he was “fooled”…..that is his story anyway
Respectfully, I think he knows exactly what he’s doing. Now the whining starts that he was the ‘victim’. BS.
Can this stupid bill be overturned once the Republicans take the House & Senate??
Yes.
“Mend, not end.”
That’s the GOPe way, since time immemorial.
No. Not unless they have veto proof majorities in both chambers, which they won’t. They could refuse to fund it and shut the government down, but they’re a million miles away from having the nerve to do that.
They WANT the Bill. Start from THAT point.
Now WHY would they overturn a bill that they WANT?
After the midterms, they may introduce a bill to overturn, but have 1 or 2 R Senators vote no.
Or, pass the bill knowing Joe Biden won’t sign and, as you say not have the votes to override.
Remember, 50 TIMES they passed bills to R&R Obamacare, ALL for show; to fake their bono fides to the base. Because they actually WANTED Obummrrcare.
Biden or his successor would have to sign the “overturn” legislation. I doubt we will get a 2/3’s (veto proof) majority in the Senate. Once this current law is passed the money is spent. Any attempt to change it will require House/Senate approval and Presidential signature.
This is why McConnell is doing everything he can to minimise the R gains in the Senate.
He has two nightmares;
Veto proof R majority
Repeal Fillibuster rule.
Either, and he would have NO excuse, and the decepticon deception would be revealed.
Actually, its being revealed ANYWAY, and old Mitch ain’t sleeping so well, as a result.
Not a peep from them about defunding 87 000 IRS agents.
They aren’t the income level that will be audited. Under $75,000 aprroximately, and any other easy pickins.
There usually is not a lot of money to be found in lower income families. There is the sheer volume of people, I suppose, but what are they really thinking? Just repression for repression sake? are they going to seize property and put everyone in jail? The IRS can take your possessions first and ask questions later.
During Prohibition, another dark period in our history, Feds would actually go looking for illegal stills and seized 697,000 homemade stills brtween 1921 and 1925.
That’s quite n intrusion into free enterprise.
Who are these people that want to control everyone?
They want to audit, take any $$ they can, charge tax evasion, take your property, guns? Whatever.
All against the masses, particularly the MAGAs . Nothing to do with the elites, they’re gonna be as safe in this, to some degree. Unless they’re MAGA.
Maybe, but it would tale a change in dope leadership.
parts of of it extend into a 10-year time frame so it can be short circuited
This is a face saving move by Manchin. West Va hates him, but he has taken the money. Oh well!
They hate him so much they keep reelecting him.
DO they? Given all thats come out, I wouldn’t have ANY confidence blaming the voters, for their elected politicians, cause of election manipulation.
Don’t be so sure. I’m of a mind that we the voters don’t elect anyone anymore.
Manchin won’t switch parties. He’ll become an “Independent” but, will caucus with the Democrats.
If he does he is serving his last term in the US Senate. And I’m not saying you are wrong. Maybe he is tired of the show and will take his substantial winnings and go home. He is quite wealthy.
That doesn’t feel like much “leverage,” though.
I will never view the Joe Manchin or anyone else the same after watching this movie tonight. Hat tip to the Solari Report for the heads up. . Its just fun stuff .
My black cat Juno watched the whole thing with me. I hope you can find it for an incredible laugh or perspective to this political insanity. We all need a pair of those glasses:
John Carpenter – They Live circa 1988
Manchin is an idiot to believe Schumer.
Believe what you will about his intelligence but Joe looks out for Joe first, Party second, Wva third and Country way last. Worked out pretty well for him so far.
Ho, ho, ho.
I can’t stomach any of these people.
West Virginia…please…fire the oily lying bastard for our country’s sake.
And sink his house boat.
Gee who coulda seen that coming, Manchin?
So.. if… The house democrats remove what he wants, he switches parties, is there a 2nd vote in the Senate where he can then vote against it?
Nope! The vote is already history in the House and Senate and headed to the president who will undoubtedly televise his signing with Manchin getting the first “signing pen”! No do overs!
And the 2022 Oscar for Best Support Actor in Failure Theater goes to … wait for it … Senator Joe Manchin!
If I had the talent and time, this a the meme I would make.
A picture of Joe and Schumer sharing a hardy laugh with Schumer saying….”And then we’ll tell them I double crossed you”
Exactly!
These “people”, these “representatives and senators”, who have abrogated their Oath, who have sold their soul and everything else for global political recognition, might not be held accountable in this life by we that take note of their duplicity, but they will be held accountable regardless.
I remember when Democrats promised Reagan Border Security in a bill that legalized thousands of illegals. They never held up their end of the bargain. We are still waiting. Never vote for a Democrat. Never trust a democrat. And Never Ever Ever give a democrat power.
That was changed in CONFERENCE which us where they used to take the Bill the Senate had voted to pass, and so the Senators had all voted on it, and ditto the House, and then in conference changed any damn thing they wanted, with no vote after.
Now, its you have to vote and pass the bill, before you can read it.
But yeah, the Republicans pretended to get screwed o n that one.
Simpson-Mazzoli where they lied to Reagan and unfortunately he them
.
I dunno… is switching parties all that much leverage? (If so, someone please educate me.) I kind of got the impression that, having been caught, Manchin just made stuff up.
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They are all “Party Fluid”..
Their pronouns are lie/lie again/and again.
I’m thinking, initial thoughts, that its not REALLY House Dems that are balking, its Schumer et al, calling Manchin.
They don’t think he will really do, whatever it is he threatened.
They are weasiling out of their agreement with Manchin, once they got what they wanted, and using House Dems as proxies.
Or, Manchin is in on the ploy; he justifies his going along with the BBB, by saying he was going to get this other bill, and Schumer ‘screwed him’, or even “House Dems” screwed him.
So, to his constituents he can say he tried?
That’s what I’m wondering, he’s acting like he was duped for his constituents.
Me too. He’s that greasy.
So the $enate flips to the GOPe. Big whoop, as El Rushbo used to exclaim. It’s a tantalizing possibility, yet…with what consequences?
McConAll would take up his old roost as the majority leader and the guano would just keep on falling. Nothing would change. The planned demolition of Western Civilization would continue, propelled onward by sails full of Chinese westerlies.
That’s if Joe Manchin has the courage and political capital to follow through on such “leverage”. Joe might have a lever, but—as Archimedes famously put it—”give me a rock to stand on and I can move the world”. I don’t believe Manchin has the, um, rocks to do it.
Just thinking the unthinkable, as Neil Oliver has so aptly put it.
Joe Munchkin will do what he does best, as he always does, that is to hold out until the last minute, fold and take the knee for the dRAT party.
Reagan never believed he was getting spending cuts later. Everybody wanted tax cuts and deficits right away.
Manchin never believed his energy bill would pass. Everybody wanted 87000 new IRS agents and more pocket lining right away.
It is too late in the legislative session for Manchin’s party-switching to have any effect. If the Republicans pick up the Senate, then Manchin switching parties is of no value to anyone. Manchin should have demanded that his priorities be voted on first, but he was either too stupid to do that, or was betraying WVa voters on purpose. Either way, Manchin is looking rather weak and pathetic right now.
What leverage does Manchin have if the Senate isn’t 50/50 again, exactly? If the Dems lose the House in November? Very narrow prospects of him keeping his leverage long-term here. Then he doesn’t have his leverage anymore. He doesn’t have it now, either. Manchin, for whatever leverage he thinks he has/had, it isn’t much. For that, he played this very poorly.
Assuming, of course, the leverage was him switching parties and not something else. For his sake, let’s hope the FBI doesn’t raid his home. Or, maybe they should. Maybe then he’d realize what a fool he is. Perhaps doing so would wake the GOPe to the realization that controlled opposition will no longer be tolerated by the Communists.
I don’t want him or anyone subjected to the kind of nonsense Trump has been subjected to. I simply don’t put it past these tyrants at this point to do so.
Leverage over swamp filth? What in the hell could that possibly be???
Maybe Joe knows where the bodies are buried. And will talk.
Hey, I can dream.
Anyone who announces they have leverage or a deal has been struck with the modern day democrat party is……..smiles 😂
Worse is anyone that believes them.
The dems are destroying this nation with their anti-energy push.
All supposedly to save the environment.
Can anyone offer a source with solid summary info and data debunking the climate hysteria?
For example, Drs. Roy Spencer and John Christy at UAH are highly respected climatologists who say the climate change threat is way overblown. They’ve been analyzing satellite data for years, which avoids the “heat island” problem with ground sensors. But the various well-founded views like theirs do not break through the climate hysteria cult echo chamber.
The problem with debating this subject is the same as with the plandemic and shots: An overload of complex data and analysis that few can fully understand, with bad faith manipulation by corrupt actors seeking to create hysteria for personal gain.
We need irrefutable, consolidated data clarity, to push back.
“We” includes any politicians who may be trying to stop the nation from destroying itself “to save the environment”.
Otherwise, all the political squabbling is just noise, while the dems continue the destruction.
If the climate becomes warmer, the first thing we need is cheap abundant energy to deal with it.
If the climate becomes colder, the first thing we need is cheap abundant energy to deal with it.
Cold weather is much more lethal than hot. When prepping, people usually think about food, water, and then heat. It should be in the exact reverse order.
Freezing to death occurs in less than one day. If depopulation is your thing, freezing people is highly efficient.
Dying of thirst takes maybe a week. Starving takes a few weeks and gives you some time to figure out solutions.
Have you heard of the vanadium battery technology developed by US government research just given to China? One of these batteries could power a house for decades.
It’s not about scientific truth to the politicians and the super rich. All the climate hysteria is about money. The money allocated is never enough to satisfy the snouts in the trough. More money, always more money is needed to fix the crisis. Then more money.
At the very top of the geopolitical power structure, the so called climate change agenda has nothing to do with environmental concerns, legions of true believers notwithstanding. It’s about destabilizing America so that capital has no safe haven when the great reset switch is flipped and the Western economy is collapsed. The switch was supposed to collapse the entire global economy but BRICS has effectively eliminated that as a possibility, with Putin at the tip of that spear.
For a cogent summary of the realpolitik involved that transcends the red herring of climate change, and an outside-the-box analysis of where this might be going, I recommend the following interview…
Let me guess, the “leverage” Manchin had was f*** all?
Good. They are turning on each other
158 house members voted by proxy. They don’t even have to show up to destroy the economy. They betray the citizens with a “stand in” because they don’t care enough about us to do it in person.
even though SCOTUS declined to hear it once already I still think it needs to be taken to them again as unconstitutional….. the US Constitution calls for them to “assemble”……..by NO measure can you claim an “emergency” 2 YEARS later
Sorry….Manchin ‘rolled’ his constituents and everyone else……or he’s an idiot who trusted and believed ‘promises’ made by schmucky and the drunk [actually, that’s worse than an idiot]. Those promises were never, ever going to be fulfilled.
If he intends to run for president in 2024, he has no leverage as he will certainly not run as a republican Rhino.
Here is the excuse when people get mad about all the hiddens in the
bill the congress critter will do another Obamacare excuse.. We didn;t
really have time to read it so we didn;t know all that was in it.
Oops..
Rep Jared Huffman (D-CA)
Huffman graduated from William Chrisman High School in 1982 and in 1986 received his Bachelor of Arts in political science magna cum laude from University of California, Santa Barbara, where he was a member of the Phi Delta Theta Fraternity.[2][3] At UCSB, Huffman was a three-time All-American volleyball player. He was a member of the USA Volleyball Team in 1987 when the team was ranked #1 in the world and had recently won the World Championship. He graduated cum laude from Boston College Law School in 1990.[4]
Huffman became a consumer attorney specializing in public interest cases. Among his court victories was a case on behalf of the National Organization for Women, which required all California State University campuses to comply with Title IX.[5] Huffman was a senior attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Council. He was also a publicly elected director of the Marin Municipal Water District for 12 years, including three terms as board president.[4]
He had Title IX enforced and now does nothing for men taking over women’s sports. As a Dem a third rail he can’t touch.
He has no leverage. Never did. He’s a democrat. Schumer knows it.
What?? I thought “the bill” was done and they were, even, already hiring the 87,000 … is there still a chance it won’t happen?
still needs Slo Joe’s signature
Does this mean the war is ON???
That is, if Manchin has a spine – why didn’t he insist that the bills be tied together? I remember when Bart Stupak, conservative democrat from northern Michigan, cast the deciding vote to pass Obamacare…….Barry O promised him that abortion would not be part of Obamacare, so he voted yes……and we all see how that turned out. Stupak either retired that year or was voted out of office, and a republican has held that seat ever since. My point is democrats will lie even to their own fellow dems in order to get what they want.
Schumer looks like Quasimodo.
It’s probably all for show. Manchin needed to support BBB and deeply wanted to. However, due to his pesky constituents in WV, he had to appear to not just cave in on BBB and support it outright. Now, he gets the best of both worlds. BBB is passed and he can point the finger to someone other than himself when campaigning back at home. All for show.
I’m surprised and dismayed by how few people are considering this.
The separate senate bill won’t happen and neither will the flip of this jackass.
Democrats have a long history of steamrolling Republicans into believing that if they vote for a bill now, the Dems will introduce what Republicans want in a later bill. Of course, the later bill never materializes. Big surprise (NOT) that they used this practice on one of their own.
There is no honor among thieves.
Of course, Manchin being one of them, didn’t give AF.
Broken promises. So what else is new. Manchin had to know this would happen. My bet is he rolls over, takes his lumps and does nothing.
Well, if it isn’t a photo of three stooges (Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer) fornicating with a transgender pole dancer then don’t hold your breath.
This is what Manchin has always done to push the democrats agenda over the goal line – while conning the rubes in WV that he means well and should be sent back to the senate. Like a vampire when the leftist bell rings he pops up ready to go.
West Virgina You were just sold out by your Boy, who for the last 2 years has been saying I will protect You WV. Check His accounts.
He may have just completed his last con. The next election in WV will be interesting as I bet donations for the “other” candidate will be significant.
So which of our senators is worse? Joe Manchin’s sell out to Schumer/Pelosi or RINO Capito’s vote to send $40 billion to Ukraine without accountability of how the money is used? Neither represents the interests of their constituents in WV.
Or any of us in the U.S. …
All are Traitors.
The inescapable conclusion.
It really makes you wish that Taft and the Republican Senate wouldn’t have passed the 17th amendment.
Meaning the influnce peddling would have had to go to the state gov level and we all know there is not a RINO problem at state level government.
Republican, not RINO… Pronouns and synonyms are for liberals.
Call them what they are.
we know how it’ll be used … this is all a money grift that’ll flow back to the demonazis ..
I knew in 2017 that Capito was scum. She did not support overturning ObamaCare. When I wrote her about the response was “it is a complicated issue”. Implying I was to stupid to understand that she was going to be a neocon rino traitor.
Capito is worse. At least Joe’s not pretending to be someone else.
The $40 billion to Ukraine is an extortion payment. Zelensky has evidence proving that multiple US politicians have or did have their hands in the Ukraine cookie jar. Why else would they continue to send billions to perhaps the most corrupt country and politician in the world?
They are both awful. Capito was bought by Mitch in my opinion. I voted against her in the primary but it didn’t go my way. Manchin won due to his Kavanagh vote.
Our AG would have been wasted in the Senate and I have been very happy with our State officials. Our Governor is a bit baffoonish but he was a Democrat.
Unfortunately, people in WV remember Manchin and his handling of the trapped miners as Governor. This is the state that gave us Byrd and Rockefeller.
I think many are missing what is really happening.
We are confusing political support for Manchins carbon energy position with support for him personally.
He owens a company that has a lock on disposal of so-called scrap coal in his state.
Just by coincidence there is a power plant that runs on his scrap coal. Total corrupt set of circumstances . exactly like the mobs concrete corruption in N.Y. City In the 80s.
Since he is the only supplier he can charge anything he wants. I am sure he gets a higher price for his scrap than what others get for promo coal.
Look if he really was supporting carbon fuels he would never support legislation that gutted the future of the industry.
There is no such thing as a half snake . He is a total fraud . A snake to the core.
See him for what he is . The tip of the spear of the enemy cabal.
One other thing . The more restrictive the regulations become the more valuable Manchins scrap coal becomes.
I assure you that even though the value of delivered scrap coal will increase the cost to purchase the scrap coal from the power plants will not.
The scrap coal sham he is involved in proves he is willing to play ball for personal gain.
Soon we will see where his new corrupt opportunity is.
A snake? Because he’s doing the same thing pretty much every other Senator in DC is doing? They all have vested interests in their own state – especially financial.
Unless they are breaking the law, nothing wrong with it and that doesn’t make him a fraud – just in your eyes apparently.
P.S. If you want to see a real fraud – check out Nancy Pelosi – the insider for her husband’s stock trading.
The devil is in the details that will never be exposed unless these people police themselves.
It appears that you will not even question the appearance of impropriety unless the Washington post tells you what to think. I have been in business my entire life and that experience enables me to see the potential for fraud.
If you want to put your confidence in this guy feel free. .
Just don’t expect me to be so gullible . You may find it helpful being so gullible but I would rather be dead.
By the way your key words “he is doing pretty much what every other Senator in DC is doing” are interesting.
Pretty much all but not every other Senator . I choose to support the ones who aren’t compromising their positions not pretty much all the others who are.