Kentucky republican House member Thomas Massie had some interesting statistics in hand when questioning Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg about the administration goal to make electric vehicles 50% of all cars, vans and trucks sold by 2030.
Essentially, it is a cart and horse scenario. An electric vehicle requires five times as much energy production as the standard home air conditioning cost. The U.S. electricity grid cannot support an increase in household energy use that is equivalent of adding five times as many houses using air conditioning. Math is math. WATCH:
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Comrades, the likely federal government solution is simple. Comrade citizens can have one electric car (mandated by regulatory compliance), or they can have their home air conditioned, but they cannot have both. [Assuming social credit scores are high enough]
See how easy that is?
...”the significant problems we face are only as challenging as the significance of the problem.”
I know this is all designed to destroy freedom and the middle class, but Massey has a losing argument. If Buttgig was not so stupid, he could have swatted him away.
Most EVs will be charged at home at night when the energy grid is idling down. Smart EV chargers could actually help balance the grid.
Idling the grid is a complex problem – sometimes even losing money at night. Nuclear plants take a long time to ramp down as the demand decreases. Coal too. Sometimes utility operators even pay big consumers to use electricity at night (2am to 5am) as the wholesale price goes negative.
This whole discussion is carried on by a bunch of green Pollyannas and paper tigers in Congress. The grid is optimized to sell kilowatt-hours not to save energy, water or the planet.
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Take a look at this graph – how much energy is used vs wasted. This energy discussion is about as far from a free-market system as anyone could imagine. The Green New Deal and government subsidies of electric cars is fascist, marxist, new world order bullsh’t.
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Thank you sDee, finally someone using logic, fundamental physics and common sense to this debate. I am the son of a nuclear physicists. I spent my entire life having detailed conversations with my father about the basic physics of energy. My Dad was also essentially a double major (Physics and Chemistry). So I believe I have a good handle on the topic of ‘Energy’. You are spot on about green Pollyannas and paper tigers. Sad thing is they both were blue and red DNC-RNC underwear.
” logic, fundamental physics and common sense”
I can’t help it, I’m an engineer. 😉 A friend who played in a symphony orchestra once confided in me that he struggled with a mental issue. No matter where he was or what he was doing, he could not get music, notes, or scores out of his mind. I grinned and told him I had a similar problem.
I’m a computer programmer – have been since – and I feel the same way.
However, I am thankful that I can say about “the way that I’ve made my living” is that I’ve always enjoyed it. My hobby turned into a profession.
I turned my hobby into a profession as well. Nothing less than Divine Intervention
I consider it a blessing. The things I played with as a child I now work with as an engineer. They’re just bigger now.
The paperwork wasn’t as complicated when I was a kid.
My drummer friend told me he sees the World in beats and rhythms. Almost like seeing the shapes from Tetris when you close your eyes after playing too much, but all time I guess?
I think we have the same dad.
I was just going to say, that’s my dad, but I’m pretty sure you’re not my brother.
So a car that requires 8 hours of charging to full battery capacity, which is only around 200 miles depending on the model, can effectively be charged between 2-5am?
And fwiw my electric utility co does not differentiate rates by time of day. It’s one rate all 24 hours. So, no savings.
All solvable problems if development and sale of EVs was left to a free, open competitive market.
A Tesla takes 8-10 hrs to fully charge at 240V AC varing between 40 to 80 amps, which most single-family homes can accommodate. DC chargers could do it even faster.
Consider too that Tesla is high end battery capacity and most are not parked at home empty. The econ-box cars the elites will force us into could charge in half that time.
Time-of day rate charging can easily be built into smart charges and the surveillance electric meters being forced upon us now.
The danger here is not EVs. It is neo-fascim forcing EVs on us through energy supply manipulation. Beware of red herring debates that the media and Uniparty foist upon us.
But how would one do that in CITIES..? Owners will come out in the morning and the charging equipment will be gone! (Along with the EV itself if they’re not careful..)
Once they force us out of the freedom of our long range vehicles and out of our single family homes, into their high density Urban Corridors they have no intention of ever allowing us any type of private transportation.
EVs are a transition to our enslavement.
Read Agenda2030 and 2050. Ice Age Farmer has some good overview videos.
No one’s forcing me anywhere I don’t want to go. Those who try to make go, better have their wills made out, because not all of them will be going home that day.
So you will live more primitively, but still not likely free, in that little village in that picture Sundance always posts.
as a resident of New Orleans, I always question how a mass evacuation could work out of here if we need to evacuate and all the cars basically stop working 250-300 miles from here… how could that ever work? its a mess with gas cars as is .. electric forget about it
If I remember correctly NOLA has busses that can go underwater.
Would that do?
That little village is freer than that city.
I’ll take a primitive village over any city.
Love Ice Age Farmer.
You just stated an important point, they The Green Liberal world order want to limit how far you can travel. Say a 200 mile range…. which means if they wanted to, they could limit you to that on any given day. That must figure into their evil plans.
Or some kid will just unplug the cars for shits n’ giggles.
Worry not. All EV’s will come with a diesel degenerator in the trunk and a free lifetime subscription to solar world magazine.
And solar panels and wind turbines on the roofs of the EVs.
“Apparent wind” . It’s a combination of the actual wind (true wind) that blows over land and sea and the wind created by our moving forward. My sailboat well trimmed would actually go faster than than the real wind.
So obviously every electric car needs a windmill mounted on the roof!
As I’m driving 80 mph on my way to Florida the windmill will power the car and I use only enough batter capacity to get up to speed.
Easy Peasy.
Please don’t anyone tell me I should add a sarc tag.
Can’t you just put big wheels in the back and little ones in front – then it would be downhill all the way and you could just coast
A brilliant and novel approach!
Patent it and sell it to liberals.
To my plant oriented mind, seems like it would be pretty easy to disable any electric vehicle the Masters chose at the push of a button.
Bingo.
The masks were not about the virus.
And this EV push is not about the climate.
I just talked to someone who has a Chinese daughter in law and her parents live in Bejing. Apparently on each floor of the building is a party representative and then there is a master for the whole building.
The woman I was talking to says we cannot even imagine what it’s like – but I think the WEF is imagining exactly this.
The Soviets had the same thing.
Like a “Resident Advisor” in a College Dorm??
I think it was more like a watcher/controller. You have to be careful what you say.
I shoulda had a sarc tag.
Yeah and hack too. 😒
sDee – can owners “top theirs off” to ensure they’ve always got a fully-charged car?
Or does the nature of the battery punish that with it’s “memory” cycle, and require recharging from nearly empty to optimize battery life
In other words, do shallow recharges from only part-way down shorten battery life?
Can owners always keep the car at least half-charged like gas drivers are currently doing, so they don’t get caught near-exhausted by a short-notice emergency or need?
Any of all y’all with electric cars pls answer as well
And there’s this electric drill I’ve got too – how should I manage that?
signed,
Nimrodman, the battery illiterate
“can owners “top theirs off” to ensure they’ve always got a fully-charged car?”
Yes. Battery technology and charging technology has greatly improved. I too remember the NiCad battery “memory” problem in my cordless tools.
thanks, sDee
so there’s no battery-life or battery-depth penalty from repeated shallow re-charges then?
The average home has a 100 amp electrical distribution panel. So if an EV requires 80 amps to charge it, you only have 20 amps to run other appliances. Most 100 amp panels operate consistently at 65 to 70 percent capacity, with enough capacity to withstand the “hard start” of an AC compressor, a 2400 watt electric stove, a 240 VAC, 40 amp electric dyer, etc. And the days of electricity providers of offering a lower kilowatt hour rate during low-load periods, no longer exist.
200 amp has been the standard for a while. Those can usually handle it. There are also priority breakers and other load shedding devices. If needed, an addition panel or dedicated shutoff can be installed after the meter. Small cost compared to the price of a Tesla.
Smart meters communicating directly with the Utility would make it easy to adjust rates for vehicle charge off peak.
But it is all moot because there is no intention of making it all work on a scale to support the American economy. All they really need to do is convince people that it works , as they collapse our energy supplies.
After all, any of us who can no longer afford fuel for our trucks or upgrade the 100 amp service in our humble home, will either be standing in the door way shooting or shipped off to urban enslavement.
Other than we might run out of oil at some point in the future, I just don’t see that there is valid science behind switching the world to EVs with the excuse being to save the planet. Mining the minerals for the batteries is problematic to say the least (but not to China who has these minerals) Wouldn’t being completely EV be similar to selling China our oil reserves? And then there is the child labor involved in extracting the minerals – and also there is the tendency of the batteries to catch fire.
Someone said the Finnish are working on an alternate fuel. But what bothers me is I think we’re getting bogus reasons on why they want to turn off the oil.
The US is being sold piecemeal to China.
You might want to study this pdf before anyone believes they’ll be “fully charging” their EV in 8hr.
https://www.clippercreek.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/SMUD_Charge-Times-Chart-20171208_Final_Low-Res.pdf
8hr on a 110v standard outlet will get you about 36 mi of range. Yiikes!! ??
120v outlets are not at all practical for charging EVs. Dedicated 240v connectors to the main panel will be common.
A 120v outlet is typically 15 amps.
120v x 15a = 1800 watts charging power.
A 240v connection and 60 amps
240v x 60a = 14,400 wats charging power
That is 8x the power. That can be combined with DC charging, home battery banks and replaceable battery packs for more flexiblility.
Technical problems can be solved – fighting the lies and schemes of totalitarian ideology with facts is doomed.
EVs should be a free market choice – not a tyrant’s mandate.
This. I have no problems trying to a more responsible steward of our environment and using advancing technology to that end. I draw the line at starving people and crushing their wealth so they are slaves.
these people dont care about the enviroment tbh.. just the use of it as a means to an end .. if destroying the environment helped them better attain their goals they would be pushing that instead
The Elephants always play the same game by accepting the premise of the Donkeys’ arguments.
Isn’t destroying the environment part of their objective once you factor in the cost and damage of lithium mining and the production/disposal of windmill parts?
Another bingo.
Not to mention all the messy bird carcasses.
We are AMERICANS…we can cope with, invent, solve any problem we have, with our ingenuity,, creativity,, and diligence…
ANY. …If we can get the greedy, dullard, dumbass, entitled, chip-on-the-shoulder gov’t OUT OF THE WAY.
Government ruins everything.
Where are the courts to slap all this tyrannical madness down??
Oh…that’s right…
Here’s another complication: states are so busy legalizing marijuana. Marijuana grows suck power California already knows this Oklahoma is finding out. My rural electric co-op will not hook up power for grow anymore because they suck too much power and the co-op can’t accommodate them. So we may have to choose between marijuana and electric vehicles
Bummer.
Finally someone else says it!!!! All marijuana should be grown out doors!
But that is the problem sDee, they are mandating these things.
Not allowing the free market.
Arguments and knowledge mean nothing to these totalitarian jerks.
And charging amid rolling black outs 🤣
Milk.
Producers want consumption.
When was the last time your co-op sent you a monthly milk bill with flyers encouraging you to drink OJ instead?
But, @sDee, “the simple fact remains.” There is not enough available energy. If we installed electric cars to consume the energy that right now is being wasted, we would come up short.
If you are saying raw energy sources are fixed and not a variable then, yes EVs at best do nothing to help, and probably make it worse.
Moreso: there will not be enough available energy. Texas, California, and Europe are instructive here. Again: they don’t care. In fact, they don’t care about the Ecological Disaster that awaits the world either, once you get China building out cheap EV batteries with a two year warranty, designed to last 6-7 years tops (if they don’t blow up in your garage and burn down your house first) at a massive scale. At the end of the day, you’re going to be better off spewing CRAP into the atmosphere… but they live in Fantasy Land… and they don’t quite care about Reality, as long as their Fantasy is satisfied.
Oh… and that doesn’t even consider the CRAP that China and the rest of the Two-And-A-Half World are going to be spewing into the atmosphere… at a massive scale.
FUBAR, mr. piddles.
Did someone say ‘spew’ ?
here’s my other favorite, never tire of it (enlarge to full screen)
That another thing. These electric cars blow up.
That’s a very valuable chart Dee. I too approach life as an engineer. Drives my wife crazy. I have one small problem with the chart in that it shows no petroleum contribution to electric power generation which I know is not true.
That graph is misleading in that it does not explain that “All” thermal power production is between 27% and 52% efficient as a thermodynamic cycle. The “Rejected Energy” is the waste heat coming from the cooling towers, exhaust pipes/stacks, etc.
All thermal cycles are limited in efficiency by the Carnot Cycle Limit ( a theoretical math model of an ideal system with zero entropy increase). Actual, real, cycles are limited to about half of the Carnot efficiency because of real world limitations in materials, heat transfer, etc.
An Ultra Super Critical Steam plant operating at 1400 F and 5,000 PSI has a Carnot limit of about 70%. Actual efficiency is about 38% to 50%. Even so, 50% of the initial energy input is rejected. A Diesel cycle is about 30% to 50% efficient, at best.
This is simply an immutable fact of thermodynamics. But. Thermal plants are dispatchable, reliable, and can provide 24/7/365 power at constant frequency and voltage. Renewable/intermittent generators cannot do that without thermal generator backup, which is even less efficient.
It is high level. We have been conditioned to think electrical power for battery EVs is clean and efficient. It is dirty and inefficient. like all energy conversion. That is the message I see.
Some of the loss is thermodynamic. But much of it is lost as heat of friction, transmission line loss and low efficiency conversions. Then, on the EV side, more energy is lost charging the battery.
So why for example put natural gas into a lossy energy grid when you could put it directly into the car?
If I could fill a CNG car in my own garage I’d own one.
Honda was selling them and had partnered with a company producing such equipment.
But it all went pouf for some reason.
Remember the government’s goal is not energy or the environment. It is control.
California once had a program with two car makers (Toyota was one IIRC) who produced converted gas cars using NG tanks and fillers. Under the program the dealer sold a package – the car and a small natural gas compressor for your garage that could hook up to the gas line and pump high pressure NG into the car in your garage. It took an hour or two.
The problem was that the program worked – better than anyone expected.
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The way California ended the program? They required inspections and replacement of the NG pumps every few years used regulatory pressure to stop manufacturing of the pumps. So people had to drive all over looking for NG filling stations.
Figures.
I’ve saw plenty of NG forklifts on CA job sites….. in 2008.
Everynew job, someone would say, “We should run our cars on that”
I am in a mathematical oriented profession … but by no means expert in these macro energy discussions. Correct me if I am wrong … but charging EV’s in a system which is so inefficient it has THAT amount of wasted energy … not to mention transmission losses … isn’t burning a tank of gasoline much more efficient?
And btw … an 8hr overnight charge via the 110v charger cable supplied with every EV will generate about 40mi of driving range. So … everyone is gonna be keeping their EV’s plugged in 24/7/365 to maximize range. The idea that EV’s can all be charged overnight … on waste electricity … is highly dubious
Of course it is. Throw in a million other variables and it becomes glaringly obvious green energy is a green myth, foisted upon civilization by evil people with the morals of a serial arsonist. All energy solutions to this point have found specific uses where they provide the user with what he determines as his most desired characteristics. To foist a one size fits all energy policy as it relates to specific energy uses is preposterous and criminal. The people responsible for this get what is coming to them. A pox on them and their families and may their ilk never come again.
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Exactly.
Energy diversity isn’t a type of diversity these myopic idiots embrace, obviously . . .
I would only modify your conclusion by saying green energy is a red myth.
The Green Tree has Red Roots.
The charging problems can be solved, but I agree, why put natural gas into an inefficient grid when it can be run directly in most gasoline engines.
Not to mention in Africa.
Just search African child labor in Cobalt mines . . .
I totally disagree with you sDee. Did you listen to Massie’s numbers? 4 times the energy required for AC. 50 times the energy required for refrigerators. If 50% of drivers start using this much extra electricity we’re screwed. Can we eventually achieve a grid that can handle that use? Yes, but it requires planning and engineering, and they haven’t done it yet.
Keep in mind too what some of us have mentioned before, there currently aren’t enough charging stations. In Chicago parking garages there might be 2 or 3 charging parking spots per level. Many people drive 30-60 minutes to get in to the city, they’ll want to charge their cars. How are they going to do it? What about long distance travellers? Does every gas station have multiple charging ports? (I don’t know the answer to that but I suspect no) What about all of the apartment buildings all across the nation, do they have charging stations for every parking spot? What about universities and other types of schools? Workplaces? And on and on.
They don’t and won’t have enough charging stations at anytime for the current or future population of EVs. Especially in urban centers. So now you know what your future portends to be as an urban dweller. Keep in mind that they intend to cull the human herd so that those numbers won’t be necessary.
“Keep in mind that they intend to cull the human herd so that those numbers won’t be necessary.”
Exactly
“They don’t and won’t have enough charging stations at anytime for the current or future population of EVs.”
So their goal is not just that you won’t be driving gasoline cars
It’s that you won’t be driving
At all
Perzactly!
I am not. The total energy input of all sources will not change effectively. More of each type of energy input to power plants will be used for EV charging, and less of some types will be used for filling gasoline and diesel tanks. The grid has excess capacity at night so generation capacity can be spread out – even improve grid balancing.
I am tired of the elephants not willing to point out the elephant in the room – energy supplies are being manipulated by our own government to accelerate and facilitate a globalist take over of America. I
I regularly make 300 mile runs on I 5 in CA, and have stopped at nearly every truck stop/gas station.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen more than a 2 port charging station.
And most stops don’t have ANY.
Which makes sense in a way, because who the heck is gonna wait 8 hours in freaking Corning to charge their car.
yeah, who’s gonna wait in ANY truck stop that long?
how much chicken-fried-steak can you eat?
Uh, I think you should dig a little into Massie. He didn’t just adopt all that advanced power tech. He designed and built the system, and he’s been 100% off grid for at least half a decade.
So at least Massie is not a Congressional paper tiger on green energy…
Massie is arguing facts against ideology. It is the elephant game.
This is not about efficiency or practicality. It is about unconstitutional – tyrannical government control of energy supplies to force a globalist agenda that will crush our economy and our lives. So Massie is accepting the false premise of the regimes argument.
You sure are trying hard to explain how the globalist can make their plan work Rolcon.
and if you want to travel forget it.. FJB.
I’ve looked at these charts for years, but baseload is baseload. All respect. JK
It is all an academic debate of distractions driven by the media and political class. These green new deal energy plans are not intended to ever place enough EVs on the road to impact the grid. They are designed to collapse our energy supplies. To force us out of our cars permanently. To force us out of single-family homes permanently.
With that and overarching depopulation agenda, their plans intend to reduce the base load along with us – enough to decommission probably two thirds of the power plants.
We cannot fight what we refuse to confront.
Rolcon troll alert.
Uncool.
You clearly missed our recent commenting guidelines thread.
I’ve been coming here 10-12 times a day for years. Evidently you don’t know what a Rolcon is. sDee is playing the good cop bad cop role.
My daughter spent a year in Russia at a language school. The government comes to the apartment block in October and turns on the heat. They come back in March and turn it off. I’m sure this is where the smart meters are taking us.
So soviet style management is still in vogue.
And yes, this is exactly where smart meters are taking us.
Not so for our ruling elite.
They will have infinite power to spare for themselves.
It was way back in the late 1990’s I think that the local power company came around to help all the households save power and one big “cost saver” was to agree to have a smart meter installed on your AC so it would shut down automatically when a power emergency is declared –
so, our dear elderly neighbor signed up for that (unbeknownst to us) – then when it was really really hot, she came to our door to ask me if I could figure out what was wrong with her thermostat, she couldn’t get the AC to cool – I looked outside at her AC and saw this thing on there that we did not have, then asked to see her power bill – sure enough, she had one of those gadgets attached so they would take $25.00 off her monthly bill but she did not truly understand what was involved. I called Edison, told them to turn her AC back on “oh she will have to go on a waiting list to have someone come out” – but I told them they had to be able to do it ASAP, just as they had activated it, there was a way from their plant to deactivate or something to that effect and then they did, right away but I think I was lucky to get a real person.
Now I don’t think they really care at all if a dear elderly person who can’t drive to get to a cooling center will get deathly ill and die from the heat. Fortunately, she came to our door to ask for help (people in the place would always come over to ask me what day it was, if I could sew on a button, or threat a needle for them, stuff like that).
They will be known as the s class, everyone else c class or below. The system is already built and in place. Klaus is fast tracking it all to be implemented within two years. What we are seeing now is the de mobilization of society. An immobile society is a compliant society.
Smart meters will communicate with the devices in your home.
It will be used to limit the time and duration of use all your devices inside your own home, as well as remote shut off, if they so choose. If its decided you can’t use your Oven for a week, it will not even turn on.
You would be crazy to get one installed.
There are ways to circumvent controls on electronic devices. Case in point is how long it takes a geek to jailbreak the latest Android/IPhone and post the how-to video.
Would require absolute control over all digital communications, beforehand.
I agree.
But realistically, how many people are going to rewire/root all their devices and the meter?
You could externally monitor changes and non normal device responses and based on history, profiles etc and just turn them off.
The control level and power monitoring will be significntly invasive more than one could insert on a single mobile.
Necessity is the mother of invention, and where there’s a will there’s a way.
Not saying that anything about it would be easy, but I know I have some of those skills to do that if I was motivated enough to do so. And I am not the only one out there that could.
Put people in a difficult spot and some might be surprised with the results.
They are forcing them all over the country – no opt out anymore.
You can opt out if you leave the US or don’t use electricity.
In Texas they did not ask if you wanted a smart meter. They installed the meter and charged you for it. You will not be asked if you want a smart oven. You will be asked if you want an oven. If you have one it will be smart.
Same in CA
Same on Long Island.
Yes and people are clamoring to install them. It goes all the way back to free google email accounts where they can spy on you. Then came Alexa and all the other listening devices installed in our homes to listen to us. We even pay for them. Then we volunteer all our personal info on public forums for everyone to see.
Not me. Google email is as far as I go.
“Alexa, we’re all bundled up, three pairs of socks, mittens, wool hats … and it’s still cold in the house”
“What can you do for us”?
Send you more Amazon socks and hats! 😂. I was at a garage sale, where some items were in the house and the lady had to repeatedly bark, “Alexa No! Alexa! No! ” when Alexa overheard something that triggered a inquiry if they wanted this or that item sent to them! 😂.
that’s hilarious, doll
When I get the time I intend to dump googlevil accounts – but it does take time…
As far as free email, I see people using hotmail or proton mail – will probably try one of them….
Dominion Energy installed a smart meter at my house about 3 years ago. I was concerned about RF but my RF meter only went on high when right in front of the meter, which is outside the house. On the inside wall, the RF frequency was benign. The smart meter sends out data about every 10 minutes, to the utility company. Puts the human meter-reader out of a job.
But yes, the smart meters have the capacity to connect to wi-fi devices in your house, and many new appliances have wi-fi capability.
You don’t need RF. You can communicate over the wires directly.
Here are some links to support your post, detailing existing tech standards.
https://www.howtogeek.com/730502/what-is-power-over-ethernet-poe/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/everything-you-need-to-know-about-powerline-networking/
That wifi connectivity with the Smartmeter has caught some clandestine indoor cannabis growers unawares with their fancy new high output LED growlights, when unusually high power bills are scrutinized.
But…but…I thought LED was supposed to be more “energy efficient”?
That’s nearly entirely a myth.
If you pay your bill on time, nobody cares.
Power companies love a good customer, who pays higher rates
for higher usage.
Not to mention, LED lighting runs at about 1/3 of the cost per lumen
compared to traditional HPS grow lamps. That’s why the switch is being made.
Sure, if you are a nuisance, under surveillance, being an overt criminal that draws LEO attn,
power usage MIGHT be used to aid in the drawing of a search warrant. That’s well established.
But you’d have to already be on the radar.
The largest risk an indoor grower can take, is to steal electricity.
Anybody who does that is just stupid.
THAT will get your door pounded on eventually.
And that is very easy for power companies to figure out.
In fact, it’s part of regular distribution diagnostics that are run hourly these days.
They will find you, even if they aren’t looking.
When they steal electricity and the chips in the light tell the smart meter they are up and running and how many of them there are that raises red flags.
Yes!
Furthermore, I do not want Alexa or whoever to turn on lights for me or anything like that – gives me the willies.
I don’t get people voluntarily having these devices.
In order to voice activate it must be LISTENING ALL THE TIME and its connected to the online.
Not me, I’m going all Battlestar Galactica to make things not network.
Frack em!
Listening and recording! 😬
The electric company does not give you a choice.
I think this is a good place to leave this article. It’s entitled “Smart thermostats inadvertently strain Electric power grids… primarily because they are all programmed to to draw power at the same time in the morning LOL. Thereby raising the price of the electricity because the demand is suddenly so high.
https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2022/07/smart-thermostats-inadvertently-strain-electric-power-grids
They’ll fix that by demanding control of all those smart thermostats.
First they gotta get all the “smart” people to install them.
It was like that in Pa thru the eighties and nineties, in apartment buildings Not sure how it is done now.
One of the early Agenda21 pressures put on the cities joining ICLEI and Local21, was to include palns for central heating and cooling plants to distribute hot and cold water to business and homes. Go figure.
They do the same thing at my condo in Arlington VA and have done so since at least 1985
No … we will still pretend we live in a FREE Market … although Public Utilities governed by politicized Public Utility Commissions aren’t exactly a FREE Marketplace. They will just Jack up the Utility Rates to PUNISHING levels which will FORCE conservation … and … the Public Utilities Investors will get $$rich$$ from the skyrocketing rates. It’s a win-win for the wealth transferring “green” Fascists.
The same thing happens in public housing in the United States. We have people right now who are sweltering in the heat because the government hasn’t turned their electricity their air conditioning on and they live in public housing
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pete butt is the type of guy to pick up smoking just to say he quit a bad habit.
pete butt is the type of guy to enter politics because there really isn’t anything else he is qualified to do.
pete butt is the type of guy who believes that if you can imagine something to be true, it is.
pete butt is the type of guy who spends all his time trying to figure out how to spend all his time.
pete butt is the type of guy who once stole money from his own wallet and still carries the shame.
pete butt is the type of guy to argue that mathematics is mostly philosophical and not different than any other liberal art.
pete butt is the type of guy who is recognized for his ability to be recognized
pete butt is the type of guy who always uses his turn signal about 3 miles before the exit.
pete butt is the type of guy who sets a clock to remind himself to set a clock.
pete butt is the type of guy who reads the manual and highlights the page numbers
pete butt is the type of guy who always asks for the salt during dinner and then just puts the salt shaker next to his plate.
pete butt is the type of guy who uses crazy glue to hold his thoughts together.
pete butt is the type of guy who takes it in the butt
…..and LOVES taking it!!!!!!
handle checks out…lol
Peter Puffer is the type that Puffs Peters
That’s a superb list! Kudos!
Peter Puffer’s favorite dessert is the Hershey Highway Bendover….
cart and horse . . .
hmm, maybe buggy whips WILL make a comeback!
I have a buggy whip. also harness bells. I REALLY DO NOT WANT TO GO BACK TO HORSE AND BUGGY. even worse was the buckboard wagon and a cranky horse. at four miles an hour it would take all day to get to town. have to sleep in buckboard and get home next day. food and water for horse takes up most of the wagon.
Incompetence and corruption at every level in the JoBama regime.
All intentional of course.
all that and a bag of gay jokes.
“We are working with the Department of energy to see what the Truck Stops will need”. To start, a Truck Stop will be needed about every 5 miles for recharging. Deliveries may take a while!
there are two possibilities:
a. pete butt is lying and knows it and none of these ideas are workable
or
b. pete butt doesn’t have the smarts to know either way
both possibilities are equally terrifying.
Either way, he knows elections are not going to be a factor so why try so hard to make sense.
astute
Pete Butterjugs actually did quite well in verbally sparring with Massie. Jugs diffused some of the answers by going with the flow, but Massie did have a arrow in his quiver for that when he said the answer was twice as much.
Coal-Powered vehicles is what we need to call these things.
that’s good … stealing
I’ve been mentioning coal in every conversation about EVs for quite some time now.
The big problem with EV’s is the cost of batteries. A story floating around today told how a family bought their daughter a Ford EV with 60k miles for $11k. But soon after it quit, and new batteries would run $14k. If they can find them. Ford is not supporting the model they bought any longer.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/electric-car-buyer-learns-a-huge-lesson/
That is worse than planned obsolescence .
Wait until people are charged with the responsibility to properly dispose of their dead batteries.
How expensive might that be?
Can you imagine all the burning EVs suddenly being investigated as suspicious?
Do not fall for the straw man argument. The argument that Massie is making is a physics and engineering debate. He’s simply debating the ‘How do you intend to build this electrical grid’. In fact it is doable, its simply an engineering effort and it can be done. Please don’t get into that debate. The argument that Buttigieg and the Democrats are making is a philosophical, human rights, freedom and liberty debate. Never lose sight of what it is they are actually contemplating. The Earth is not in peril, the climate is always changing, most ‘Climatologist’ are in fact not in agreement, who dictates what level of carbon is in the air. There’s a move a foot to fundamentally alter your way of life all for economic gain and power from a selected elite. That is the debate and I am sorry Massie is and should not be on the debating team as an example of how we win this argument. Until proven otherwise, petroleum based products are the most environmentally and economically viable sources of energy known to man. End of story. To be told otherwise is a lie.
^^THIS^^
My position is that ANY transition to any form of “new” energy has a cost…a real cost.
there isn’t a discussion about this at any depth.
not in congress where it matters the most, given they are about to introduce a world changing set of regulations.
let’s take nuclear for example….(I happen to believe that nuclear power is probably the best available practical way to ramp up energy security that matches economic growth, which in my opinion TRUMPS the notion of “green cult”). But it’s very expensive and time consuming to get those into operation. It would take a legitimate national security energy strategy. That does not exist. but lets’ just pretend that strategy does exist..just for a moment.
there are tradeoffs…(and this applies to all “new” energy…not just nuclear)
you see, when you begin to spend more resources and produce energy on nuclear….this means there is less demand on fossil fuels. So in effect, you will see a higher price for oil and natural gas (and coal), because you’ve effectively reduced the industrial global scale of production of oil…oil is cheaper when it is scaled up in high volume production…reducing it, means fossil fuels become more expensive in every way.
and the last time I checked, you cannot fashion material goods with nuclear electrical power. It’s a chemistry issue…so there is that point. So material goods become much more expensive. less oil, more expensive.
and the last time I checked, you can’t pick up a 5 gallon can of nuclear fuel at the station. So it doesn’t provide much more than just electric grid power…leaving all other demands for energy that cannot practically be supplied by a “grid” at the mercy of an ever decreasing oil supply…again, costs go up for those important non grid industries and goods and power requirements.
and last time I checked, military readiness demands fast portability of energy…fuel that can be stored.
last time I checked we are not fighting and defending with “green cult”…no one in the world does. It does not make any sense to even consider it. You would be wiped off the field in the first day.
will oil go away.? no way, no how.
will the transition to ANY “new” non oil energy (even partial transition) away from oil cause costs, prices, trade, and military readiness to become very very expensive…you bet. And that is a very big deal.
there is no free lunch. Tradeoffs are real, they don’t just magically adjust and normalize.
we live in the real world of economics with real consequences. You take one action, you may get a benefit in one area, and a deficit in the other.
this is particularly important to realize when discussing energy…
pete butt and his ilk do NOT HAVE A NATIONAL SECURITY ENERGY PLAN.
I could be convinced that some form of alt energy is possible as niche and economically feasible, but not in the core base load of entire industries and material goods….assuming this can happen and there not be enormous costs (and huge transfer of wealth and power globally), is stupid.
No one is discussing it.
there is no national security energy policy…no strategy…no economic basis to even suggest any of these things can be done without causing permanent and ever increasing massive consequences. real money, real labor, real lives…real material goods inflation.
until science can figure out how to produce all these material goods with something other than oil AND make it at least as efficient with no more waste and loss, and maintain core critical industries and military readiness, this entire discussion and agenda of the left retards is simply banal.
I often use cypto mining to highlight this issue. It’s an enormous tax on energy ..and the product is dubious at best.
it’s similar with EV cult and green cult. The product is not cost effective and the consequences is that there is huge amounts of energy FROM OIL to transition and THEN you are left with an oil industry that does not produce at scale to make oil affordable.
I might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I know when the wool is being pulled
we are being sheared by impostors who are not qualified, have no experience and do not possess a shred of credible strategies to address these consequences.
it’s like the covid pandemic ..it’s very similar. the policy and mandates were more destructive to the global economy AND REAL LIVES than the disease itself.
I want to be disgusted, but rage has eclipsed that emotion.
it’s going to be a shooting war. it’s inevitable.
Liquid hydrocarbon fuels can be engineered using electricity with atmospherically derived carbon and water derived hydrogen, and it can be made as energy dense, portable, and storable as current petroleum fuels.
Nuclear, both fission and in time fusion, are where we should be going, continuing to use geological fuels until we get there.
Batteries are insanely heavy and will never match the equivalent energy of a gallon of gasoline or diesel, and are environmental nightmares coming and going, we are best off with increasingly clean and efficient internal combustion engines.
I do believe fuel cells have potential, particularly when paired with an engineered fuel that has a safety profile similar to current liquid fuels.
Communists only have faith in their fists, none at all in hope and the genius of inspired humanity, and it shows in all their putative solutions.
This is exactly right. Many people are drawn into the debate over the practicality of EVs, and it seems like an easy one to win. No, there will never be enough charging stations, even if it’s theoretically possible to create enough. Yes, producing all those batteries will create an ecological nightmare. Yes, disposing of all those batteries will create another ecological nightmare.
None of this matters. The government is not pushing EVs because it is allegedly better for the environment. The government is breaking the herd.
Step one was covid lockdown, masking, distancing and vaccines, and boy was step one successful. The population did exactly as they were told and lined right up (and are still lining up) for their shots. Step two is where we are now, and since we did so well in step one, step two is more extensive, the highlights of which will involve a) limits on our individual energy usage, and b) eating the bugs. Step three will be even more “extensive.”
EVs are not meant to be practical. They are meant to be one more method of transitioning the population to its intended permanent state, which is serfdom. Don’t waste time arguing about how they will produce a charging station for every car. It’s not going to happen and was never intended to happen.
Theory is not reality Pete.
It’s all so very easy when *your* huge salary is guaranteed, and *your* gold-plated health insurance is first in line at the special clinic, and *your* gas station and power plant are “national security assets”, and *your* office and home have armed guards 24/7 at no cost to you. What a great life.
Who cares if a few hundred million people suffer and die, while you play Global Monopoly with your powerful buddies?
Those people aren’t really real anyway. They are just another kind of farm animal to you. If they become too troublesome, just let them die.
Whats this?
Horror scenes as explosion rocks Hoover Dam – enormous black smoke cloud stops tour
PLUMES OF SMOKE can be seen in footage circulating on social media after an apparent explosion at the Hoover Dam in the Black Canyon of the Colorado River.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1642945/hoover-dam-explosion-pictures-video-black-canyon-us-news-nevada-arizona
A transformer exploded and/or caught on fire. Not that unusual in of itself with electric utilities, less some of the reporting drawing more attention to it.
Typically, a large transformer like those used would be sealed inside a container with mineral oil for the large thermal capacity to passively radiate away heat while it is energized. Sometimes they overheat and the fluid catches fire when they are overloaded.
They are running out of water anyway–the dam can’t generate power much longer.
Vegas might end up going dark, ditto for California.
some iconic casino in vegas going under…might be click bait…quick browse on news this am.
cannot confirm.
The world could do with less gambling. In the grand scheme of things it would be a good thing.
agreed
Who thought it would be a good idea to get 2,000,000+ people to live in LV.
A natural desert.
Soon that city is going to see a mass exodus.
Too many people.
Too little water and power is in Las Vegas’ future.
Bugsy Siegel and the Mob
Vegas may go dark, but they’ll have water if they can run the pumps on generators. You see, they drilled a drain under Lake Mead to siphon the water.
https://usawatchdog.com/40-million-in-us-west-without-water-in-2023-dane-wigington/
sorry, I began to feel a puke coming on about mid-way through buttheads explanation and couldn’t stomach the rest of the babble.
These bureaucrats are so stupid it’s beyond belief. Butthead should go home to his “honey” and leave solutions to real problems to the adults.
Having said that, I’m not sure there are any adults in DC
Steve Bannon, Jack Posobeic, and Peter Navarro, for three.
Hoover Dam explosion – live: Fire at iconic Nevada hydropower plant after blast
https://www.yahoo.com/video/hoover-dam-explosion-live-fire-181251517.html
The regime strikes again
They want you to suffer
If Pete’s partner is his “husband” … does that make Pete “the wife”? Is he our FIRST male housewife Trans. Sec.?
I frankly want to substitute last for their every first.
GoogleTube comment: “Massie knows what he’s talking about. He’s wired his whole house to run off a Tesla battery. He graduated from MIT for mechanical engineering, so I’d take his word of Pete.”
Massive-”It will cause pain and suffering for the middle class”
Buttigieg-“Let them eat kilowatts.”
“Cart and horse” is an appropriate metaphor, as that’s what a many people will be using for transport if there’s no gasoline!
“pain and suffering for the middleclass” – Thomas Massie. Isn’t the whole point of the Green New Deal climate change hoax?
“I told you at the beginning of this I’m bullish on on this technology, but the numbers and the rate of adoption has been developed using political science, not engineering. They’re impractical, and if we blindly follow these goals that Biden has set out, it will cause pain and suffering for the middle class, and I yield back, Mr. Chairman.”
Duly noted, Congressman. Newsflash: they don’t care.
He actually thinks they care about people? Other than themselves? So out of it…
Scaling back your air-conditioning in the summer in order to afford your electric car. At least it would change the message most of us are getting from the local electric company to something new like” Well done, Crispy or Burnt today”.
Mayor Petey never built anything. And he’s not curious about how things work.
And that’s true for most in Biden Cabinet.
he does not have the intellectual facility to be curious.
he is in fact too dense and lodged in a cult to be curious.
I’ve noticed this with so many otherwise pretty bright left people too.
it seems that over the last two years, the left has lost about 20 IQ points and 400 value and principle points.
the only thing pete butt is curious about is precisely why he is a pervert. that kind of curiosity produces people like pete butt. you just lose your ability to steer a rational course. rudderless as they say, where “acting” smart is about the best they can offer.
It’s so disgusting and dangerous to have people like this anywhere near power.
but here we are.
stay frosty…it’s going to get much worse.
God Bless America
I wish Massey would have broken down the COST to the homeowner/renter for the electric bill in dollars. I imagine the average electric bill will triple if this hair-brained agenda is implemented. Then the’ll push solar panels to offset your costs.
And what about those who live in apartments and condos–will they run a cord out to their cars? Sheesh…
But Massey is right–we don’t have the underlying infrastructure to support this in 8 short years to 2030.
I think we could do it if we had a national consensus. I’m optimistic as Americans we could figure it out. The problem is, the government won’t get out of the way for people to make a buck.
The Sovietization of America continues apace. Mass markets are being repealed. Only the nomenklatura will need vehicular transport.
perhaps we build a christine for each and all of them
Sounds like the right sort of “project”.
Booty judge has been talking to Kamala.
No worries, we won’t need cars where we’re going… The UN geniuses have got a plan!
Once they’re done mass killing a/o sterilizing the rest of us- the remaining will be herded into “human settlements”. There we will live on top of each other in high-rise apartments [pods]. There’ll be no need to venture beyond our little islands/smart cities! Nor will we be allowed to + we’d risk being eaten by the wild animals allowed to roam free.
See here:
(These people are batsh!t crazy!)
Source: (Documentary: “Unsustainable”)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/L9JmuNNrod2R/
A real life Ready Player One.
Nicola Tesla could generate electricity from the ether. He proved it with his Widencliff tower in New York. But of course the US Gov confiscated all his work when he died penniless in his NYC apartment. They did the same thing to Wilhelm Reich who discovered Orgone energy, but put him in prison first where he died.
There are certainly free energy or near free energy devices out there, but the gov will not let them see the light of day.
Is this analogous to those energy options (which is not perpetual motion / pendulum swinging machines)?
In the insatiable interest of a government being in miss control of people, so as to feel good:
Is that kind of like the government saying (miss coercing) everyone to use a vaccine or gene therapy treatment on a virus,
when
there are other ways to treat a virus (without the vaccine, but the government tries to hide / censure that alternative information)?
When has that ever happened?
hmmm…
I do not know
Instead of getting prepared BEFORE they try to push everyone off of gas-powered vehicles, they start the push and then …. they create a new office. They probably bought new furniture for the office (maybe a $70k conference table like what FBI’s Andy McCabe bought), some expensive coffee and espresso machines, some expensive refrigerators, have catering, etc. But NO PLAN. They have no plan.
I doubt it, and it does’nt do their environmental argument any good either.
Currently, we have redundant energy systems–electricity and gasoline. What happens if a storm (hurricane, ice, snow, etc.) passes through your neighborhood and downs your electricity lines. No electricity, no charge, and no leaving. Having gas cars provides a backup should electricity fails. If we have electric cars, we will possibly all be stuck during emergency weather situations. I guess that it will have to be FEMA to the rescue.
If no gas, hopefully you will have electricity to keep you cool/warm and your food preserved.
Pete says that we are behind other countries, huh? I think it was Ireland that recently asked their electric car owners to not drive as much as their grid is over taxed. When are these liars going to be confronted by someone in congress that knowss what the hell is going on???? These phony interviews are just that , phony show interviews.
PB is such a smirking useless rat. He might as well resign since he has no viable solutions to the all the serious problems the green agenda he pushes poses.
Only the rich will drive around (electric) the rest of us will ride bikes, walk or find some kind of electric scooter.
You know like they being doing in the other 3rd world countries…
Exactly the plan.
Just for fun, go to your local auto parts website, and look up the price of EV batteries.
One can question until the cows come home. Asking rhetorical questions gets us………no f’ing where. Unless I am missing something, Bolsheviks control the country lock stock and barrel. R’s do, however, lead the world in rhetorical questions, just watch Sean “The Doofus” Hannity…
Hannity is on now…droning on the same. Decided to roast chicken.
The federal government has become just like california. Mandating crap that cannot work.
When you have a workable plan to steal elections, you don’t need any other plans.
BINGO!
My Kia hybrid has gotten 69mph twice, over 6o numbers of times, generally around 50, 40s in extreme cold or heat and if I go a short distance.
It isn’t about EVs OR climate change, it is about taking freedkm away from the masses.
Electric Vehicle (EV) will be less than a golf cart! They are masters of word trickery! Do NOT assume you understand THEIR meanings of words. The Peter Principle really does apply to this jerk!
disappointing to hear that Massie has solar panels and drives electic car…..has he bought into this crap????
doesn’t he realize these solar panels are major pollutants when they are discarded??
he says he does not want rapid introduction of this crap; does that mean he is okay with it if it is gradual??
He is a new age homesteader, built an off grid home, curious minded.
While I believe he is not on board with the tyranny, I agree with other treepers that he might be arguing the wrong points.
Especially when every Treeper knows this is galloping tyranny.
If all of us started walking everywhere tomorrow, they would try and control our shoes.
How will the power be generated to charge the batteries of EV’s (and the power needs for the entire country for that matter) after the ‘traditional’ sources of fuel that run our power plants are eliminated by the God Damned Commies that somehow seem to have total political control of the country?
A comment from a reader of the story listed below. The administration is dreaming. You cannot have EV’s and discourage coal and gas from electricity generation while advocating from wind and solar.
“Yes just made me think of a story I read on WUWT just last week….
Number of the Week: 85% more than total capability. In estimating how much electricity will be needed to operate electric vehicles at the same standard if all petroleum vehicles in the US were replaced by electric vehicles Joseph D’Aleo calculated:
“7.617 Trillion kilowatt-hours of electricity would be the energy equivalent required to replace petroleum fuel for transportation. 4.116 Trillion kilowatt-hours of electricity equals the total generation capability of the United States.”
The 7.6 Trillion kilowatt-hours is 85% more than total US electricity generation capability. See link under Alternative, Green (“Clean”) Vehicles.
Yep, save the planet.”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/07/19/us-electric-vehicle-sales-finally-catch-ford-f-series-pickup-trucks/
A purge of the “elites” is coming, and it won’t be from the people they expect.
Too many problems with EVs beyond charging and the grid. First is the amount of energy used and pollution caused in mining the materials for the batteries. Europe is about to say that lithium is a toxic material, and yet small children in 3rd world countries are working in these industries.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/03/child-labour-toxic-leaks-the-price-we-could-pay-for-a-greener-future
What happens when there is a natural disaster and your electricity goes out? You better hope your vehicle is charged up in advance. What happens to the batteries when they are at the end of their use? Will they be recycled or end up in landfills as many solar panels are now? And the cost of replacing a battery in an EV is exorbitant. Finally, these things seem to catch fire at a rather alarming rate. No thanks. I’ll stick to a gasoline engine. Just hope the government doesn’t force us all into EVs.
We currently see how disastrously Germany is hobbled by going “green “for the last twenty years….and we’re going that way.
Brilliant 😒
I wish one car maker would make a simple vehicle with internal combustion engine, no frills, no chips. Roll down windows with a handle. A simple frame with seats, a steering wheel, gas pedal, brakes, windshield wipers, lights with an efficient engine.
That vehicle wouldn’t cost a lot less than the current low end new cars. The reason is that mandated (by government regulation) safety, emissions, and mileage features create s high floor for costs.
Special steels (strong but lightweight for mileage with crash safety), lots of air bags, complex engine control systems and equipment (for low emissions), everything run by a computer (cheapest way to run all that complicated stuff) … I doubt you can take $2000 off the current low end price just by deleting stuff that’s legally optional.
The 60’s VW was cheap because it was simple. But it could not even come close to being legal as a new car today.
And VW bugs didn’t great gas mileage.
35 mpg is not great gas mileage?
My 73 Super Beetle got great gas mileage, upwards of 40+ mpg
Sounds like the original VW Beetle. Manual transmission so no transmission cooler or transmission fluid hoses. No power steering so no power steering pump, belt, power steering hoses or power steering fluid. Manual brakes so no power brake booster. Air cooled engine so NO water pump, radiator, thermostat, radiator hoses, heater core, heater hoses or anti-freeze. Manual crank windows so no power window motors in every door. Vent windows, AM radio with 1 speaker. Other than a speedometer and odometer, only a gas gauge. No heated seats. Windshield washer was powered by air in spare tire. No air conditioning so no belt, compressor, dryer or evaporator and the hoses that go with it. Only 4 spark plugs and one coil. No computer. Rear engine over the drive wheels so great in the snow plus the skinny 15 inch tires were taller than most American cars with 13 and 14 inch tires and that helped in the snow.
My ’66 with the 1600 cc engine was exactly 50 horse power. With 5 people in the car I never came across any hill the Bug wouldn’t climb. The Bug weighed about 1,700 pounds so your registration was dirt cheap.
With all the things missing you also had a corresponding lack of sensors, switches, wiring, fuses, fusible links etc. etc.
I grew up in Pittsburgh which is hilly terrain. We lived on the other side of a 200′ deep valley – separated our house from the main road. My Dad bought a VW in 1956 and cruised through the snow and ice with no problems, passing all manner of front-engine cars that were stuck. 1956 was close enough to WW2 that Dad occasionally heard people shout “Nazi!” at him, for his temerity in driving a German car.
We had a ’64. At 15 yrs old, I learned to drive a stick in my driveway with that car. Back and forth, back and forth, ~50 times in a single afternoon. Surprised I didn’t burn up the clutch.
But we did have one extra: A radio.
So simple. Just a great little car.
Lada.
Of course, Americans apparently want the electric windows and all systems run by computer.
Back in the early 80’s the company CEO mandated that all company cars must have manual crank windows. This demand worked until eventually the person in charge of the company vehicles ordered and received a few new cars with electric windows.
He was immediately called on the carpet and chewed out for ignoring the mandate. When in defense he explained new cars were more expensive now than the same cars with hand cranks and a special order had to be used to get those cars.
The mandate was quietly dropped.
Please include the small triangular vent windows that adjust the flow of air into the car. A “caveman’s” version of auto air conditioning for the masses. I miss those little windows.
LOL… 2-55 air-conditioning.
2 windows open, 55mph
VW, The People’s Car
The French had one called the Citroën 2CV (the ‘deux chevaux’, that is, two taxable horsepower, not actual engine power). I owned one as an illegal alien in France in the mid-70s. A more complete rattletrap junker you’ve never ridden in, but hey, I only paid a hundred bucks for it and I got a hundred bucks for it when I got rid of it. The greatest thing about it is I managed to not hit anything with it and never got pulled over driving it, otherwise, I’d probably still be in prison. 🙂
You mean like all those automobiles destroyed by Barry’s administration via the idiotic “cash for clunkers” ?
A modern model T. I would add the flip open vent windows. Ford is giving it a go with the Maverick, but manufacturing is backlogged. The Maverick is cheaper than some UTVs!
Way too soft. Exactly what country has more electric carsz than USA and dont say China – their electric cars are golf carts.
Also EV have a larger carbon footprint than regular cars.
Carbon is good for the environment – CO2 becomes O2 – see photosythesis and law of conservation of mass. It is all a scam.
Holland and Belgium. Just there, they are everywhere.
How did they handle the electric power infrastructure for charging all these EV’s?
Ditto nitrogen. 77% of earth’s atmosphere. Vital for photosynthesis and plant growth.
Right, warm is good, plants grow to feed livestock which feeds the planet. Cold is bad, everything dies, including us if these idiots are successful.