The families of the Uvalde Robb Elementary school shooting victims met privately Sunday with a Texas House committee who released an interim report on the events that took place. [Link to 77-Page Report Here] Following that private meeting the committee held a press conference where they spoke about the report and took questions.
The committee, led by State Rep. Dustin Burrows, shared what they learned as they looked into the school shooting. “If there’s only one thing that I can tell you is there were multiple systemic failures. I would invite everyone to read the entire report,” Burrows said at the press conference. “You cannot cherry-pick one sentence and use it to say everything without reading and without context. But if we need a simple phrase to describe what the report says, again I would tell you multiple systemic failures.” WATCH:
Interim Report Here
Everyone’s to blame, therefore nobody’s to blame.
Exactly. Always “systemic failures,” “more training needed,” blah, blah, blah. No accountability whatsoever.
“systemic failures”. systemic cowardice.
In a lot of countries the people responsible would be going to jail for dereliction of duty. The on scene commander who ordered the men to hold in place, the officer who didn’t engage but instead called for permission and allowed the shooter to enter the school.
“No accountability whatsoever.”
The plan from our overlords and their media lickspittles is to make lawfully armed and innocent Americans accountable for the acts of crazies. In other words, more gun control B.S. for us and no consequences for first responsders and government officials.
A system designed to fail is more like it. Who thinks that communities with small populations can support or SHOULD have multiple police agencies, school district police? Are you kidding me . . . no, how stupid are my fellow TEXANS. Every single PEACE OFFICER (I DESPISE THE TERM LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER !!!???) in Uvalde County should be employed by the Sheriff’s department. The already limited resources are spread too thin when there are multiple departments instead of only one.
You have summed up this report perfectly in a nutshell
I looked up systematic failures at Dic dit com and it said
Cowards
wow numerous car crashes with “bailouts” were totally off my radar.
Still, Ramos needed to be engaged soonest after the first shots across the road.
Total failure for Uvalde.
You would think with all of that practice- they would be experts at this- especially around a school where things can go horribly wrong. Instead, they didn’t care.
With all that practice, you’d think they could at least get the “Dont leave any doors unlocked during a LOCKdown right” Im wondering if the person who did that even lost her job.
The worst is the part where an officer observed the armed man but instead of engaging he called for permission, allowing the gunman to enter the school unchallenged.
ACTUALLY – as it turns out, the officer “saw a man in black running towards the school” and asked his supervisor WHO WAS WITH HIM on the scene if he should shoot the man. As it turned out the man in black was a coach at the school, not the shooter. So it’s a good thing he held his fire.
so Jo and the Ho are complicit?
No but it’s the closest Joe ever got to the Border.
But what does that have to do with hand sanitizer
In the video, armed officers many of them wearing body armor mill about in the hallway. Some are on their phones. Gunshots and screams are heard from inside the classroom; children are calling 911 begging for help. Nobody moves to enter the classroom where the children are trapped with the gunman.
One officer is seen using the school’s hand sanitizer an hour into the standoff. That’s what Poso is referring to.
Well, when one is just standing around waiting for more gun shots, one can at least make sure their hands are sanitized.
I think that this is just an attempt to find an excuse for the inexcusable response by police and school authorities. The fact is the killer starting shooting before he set foot on school property. I doubt that there was a single teacher or principal inside that school who thought they were dealing with another false alarm.
So, we can lay this at the foot of FJB and anyone who is for “open borders” and the flooding of our country with illegals?
We/they are conditioned to expect crime from invaders? Just like every democratic run area, expect crime and criminals. That would pretty much explain the whole thing.
5,000k on the guns. No one bothered to see where he got that money… just the guns- truck and armor not included
Where did he get that money?
? $5,000 is nothing. If he hasn’t got anything in his life he can easily save that in 6 months
BS … Characters like this do not routinely save nearly $1,000 per month. People like this, with no focus in life, never meet a dollar they do not want to immediately spend.
What was his income??
He worked at Wendy’s! It would have taken ages to do it. Especially if he bought a truck and armor?
It was Whataburger, not Wendy’s. His coworkers said he picked on anyone weaker than him.
Either way. Even at 30 hours a week, a minimum wage($7.25 in TX) fast food job will barely pay over $1000 a month. Even if he worked a 40 hour week it would barely net him $1000 a month after taxes.
He owned no vehicle and his “body armor” had no protective kevlar plates; it was just for looks.
I read the truck was grandma’s. He stole it after he shot her. In fact, I think I read he didn’t have a driver’s license
He wasn’t working, had no transportation and lived in his fathers basement
His convicted felon father(?) or grandfather?
He lived with his grandparents in a small 2 bedroom house..his grandfather was interviewed, said the kid slept on the living room floor until grandfather got up then went into the bedroom and slept and played video games all day. He had no job, grandfather was angry about that but said he never saw weapons in the house and kid showed no signs of violence until he shot his grandmother in the face..where is she now..has she been interviewed? This story is so strange..the video of the police officers just wasn’t right..maybe they were told it was some kind of drill..Natural instinct would tell you to enter the classroom..and what about the oil rig workers and the vacant trailers used for trafficing??
I doubt he was focused enough to save $10 a month.
A part time Wendy’s job might net you $1000 per month. Probably less as the minimum wage is only $7.25 in Texas and I doubt he made more than $8 an hour. He got this money from elsewhere imo.
Fastfood employees are getting at least 12/hr these days in Texas.
The dude was *fed groomed/funded. No doubt in my mind. No one buys that many 75 grain OTM (Open Tip (hollow point) BTs). The (X)193 55 grainers are the plinkers everyone buys to do mag dumps. If he was after heavy/accurate 556 rounds that would have been something like IMI 77gr Razor Cores (MK 262 mod 1 clones) (Navy use). The 75 grainers just shoot like crap (meaning over 4 MOA), regardless of platform, because the cheaper 75gr projectiles have deep cannelures (unlike the Sierra 77gr in the MK262s). The fed agencies would typically buy that sort of stuff (not mil) because they don’t know any better and they operate like Rambo wannabes–they generally suck with rifles and don’t shoot enough to know better. This was a Black OP.
BINGO.
I will keep saying until proven wrong that if we assume the worst, we will be closer to the truth in every bad incident. The “worst” is – our own government directly or (more likely) indirectly but covertly instigating these murderous incidents wherein innocent people and children are murdered.
so have you seen the bodies ? did anyone die or just more BS with no proof
So Uvalde is fiction? No dead children or teachers ?
There’s an awful lot of political, MSM, independent journalist, and civilian people reporting and commenting on an incident that never occurred.
I haven’t seen coverage of any actual funerals for victims. Can someone with TX access speak to this? Were the funerals covered locally?
This seems to question the narrative:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3MnGWHw7KbgZ/
I thought DD rifles were on a waitlist backorder…
Pure evil.
Here’s a man who properly knows his projectiles!
Being so close to what used to be the Border, that a$$hat of a gun trafficker sounds pretty loosey goosey on the background checks. Probably a Fast and Furious outfit.
Someone should subpoena his bank records to find out if he had other $ deposits besides his whataburger job, and where those deposits came from?
Should be Police Work 101, but it was “multiple systemic failures,” don’t ya know!
Covid cash.
Uvalde is human trafficking central- what could go wrong? This is totally on Biden and our corrupt agencies that allow this to go on- plus both parties supporting the NGO’s that profit from this..
One has to wonder how the response, both within the school and from law enforcement, was affected by those forty-seven lock downs.
Think about it. When you subtract for weekends, that means the school was in lockdown almost every other day between February and the shooting. They had become routine by then, and with routine comes complacence. Response becomes just a bit slower; procedure-following becomes a little lax. Perhaps a door is left unlocked or propped open when it shouldn’t… after all, the first forty-seven times were all false alarms.
That is not to excuse the failures in leadership, especially among the LEOs. However, it does underscore the downstream consequences of life surrounded by anarchy.
I think you raise a valid point. Conditioned passivity.
nope, this had absolutely no effect on the 45 minutes or whatever waiting in the school while the shots were going off
shots are going off and children are screaming. that is not “routine”
I wasn’t referring to that part of the incident.
The cops were just freaking cowards! Why is everybody afraid to say it? Anyone who saw the released video know that these cops were cowards.
That, and I have to question that there were 400 LEO’s on scene as reported here(linked by CFP).
https://www.dailywire.com/news/egregious-poor-decision-making-nearly-400-cops-gathered-at-uvalde-school-before-anyone-did-anything
400 LEO’s on scene within an hour in Uvalde? It is almost as if it were planned or something. Seems like a large amount of officers in a short amount of time. I do understand that when something like this occurs an APB goes out for all hands…that just seems like a bit more than that area could offer…
Perhaps the map linked above from Posobiec via Carrie can explain that?
The massive number of police might have contributed to the paralysis. Standard LE procedure is for all officers to respond to an armed standoff to confront the suspect with overwhelming force. In this case however it became a logjam with multiple agencies taking their cues from the on-scene commander.
If only 1 or 2 agencies and a handful of officers had responded it might have resolved sooner.
Think about how Biden came down on CBP for the mounted officer “whipping migrants” incident. No wonder the police, seeing what could be an illegal alien, hesitate to act forcefully.
Sleeper agents ! !
Well actually it was just coward POS s , unlike Garland where the lone Texas ranger advanced on the heavily armed FBI stooges puting them both down , these guys here are just pathetic unAmerican cowards .
I wonder what he finds so amusing…
Lady-Boys with badges.
Poster boy for fat and happy. He probably sleeps well at night.
I doubt it. He’s probably still grieving the loss of his wife.
Dearest Lord, CM……
Ya, that sob needs the smile wiped off his face.
Shots had already been fired…at children…
down the hall…I just can’t imagine what could be funny.
Cowardly scum.
Does he…do any of those who stood there and heard the screams, the cries of children terrified and wanting their mothers and fathers, wondering why they weren’t coming, and then shot after shot…have any children?
When I think of that, I can’t help but weep for those bless-ed children and their families. Is this what our “Great” State of Texas has morphed into??
It is…and I feel sick.
The report says there were no screams heard by the time LE entered the building.
It doesn’t lessen their deed. You can bet those children were scared to death.
And I will tell you this…
There is no greater torture than in the mind of a parent who can’t get to her child in a situation like this, wondering the absolute worst and what her child is going through.
For that alone, these terrible people must face those parents in a court of law. It won’t bring their children back, but perhaps it will help the parents in their grief, which will be life-long.
The report says that the officers and agents did not know there were people in the room other than the shooter, until much later. Piling more guilt on these people may make us feel better but it accomplishes nothing good.
This is bad.
You know, CR, I can’t think of a word that fits this sort of moral abdication. These aren’t men. Their souls are gone.
How will they answer before Almighty God?
I’ve heard about Cartel infiltrating CBP,and many LE departments up and down the Rio Grande Valley from my family who lives down in Laredo. That face doesn’t go with the uniform. Al Pacino’s character in “Carlito’s Way” taught me that.
It’s funny you say that. My first impression of this grinning jackanapes was that he does indeed look like a cartel member, or a bodyguard for a cartel head. And knowing what we now do, this possibility would not surprise me.
Agree.
Bingo, Bet.
YES!! I did read that the police were paid off by the cartels..something along those lines..
Remember how the reports came out on how many gang members were recruited and trained within LA Sheriffs Department. Latino gangs that would initiate guys by breaking the bone of a detained(usually Black) suspect.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/los-angeles-sheriffs-department-gangs-rand-report-1225982/
That was nothing compared to the number of Cartel affiliated that went through combat training in different Branches of our Military, when standards were lowered in order to fill recruitment gaps in 05-06..
It seems unreal. I taught school for 20+ years..high crime urban areas with drive by shootings..our school police were unarmed but always ran towards incidents of fighting and yes, one shooting where a student was killed outside the school.
This was the guy with someone (boss??) hanging on to his back manuevering him like a shield. Maybe thats why hes laughing, he knew his boss was scared stiff. And the boss?? had a big dirty rifle. Lucky he didnt shoot his foot or something just
as dangerous. (from leaked video)
The man on the cellphone was talking to his wife moments before she died.
Did anyone read the report?
The whole thing is just surreal. We need project veritas to get undercover video of one of these ‘officers’ when they’re off their guard, so we can have a look behind the curtain.
He was laughing at his fellow cop that had to get a squirt of hand sanitizer before they dawdled down the hall to get to an active shooter killing children?
The woman looks pretty smug too.
So many questions, so few answers.
@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: Nearly 400 local, state, and federal officers waited outside Uvalde school as gunman targeted children- TX HOUSE REPORT
Those videos made me sick. I saw cops passing out dips of snuff, like nothing was happening. As I posted before I would have driven the truck into that school to get my kid out.
The cops would have shot YOU. But as Jake Holman said in THE SAND PEBBLES, “Well shoot sumthin’!”
At least I wouldn’t have to wonder what happened to my kid.
It would seem that the incompetence and depravity of Uvalde Law Enforcement may exceed even the incompetence and depravity of the Biden Administration. And that is a mighty high bar to even match.
Perhaps all the defund and hate finally got to them.
Judging them on their response they deserve to be defunded and disbanded then charged for criminal negligence. I bet if we looked into these “officers” would find connections to the cartels.
Respectfully but emphatically disagree.
Ozero-Biden regime has killed or permanently-injured tens or hundreds of thousands by forcing deadly poisonous DNA-altering, artery-clogging, organ-killing covid Quackcines on healthcare, military, and until voided by SCOTUS, millions of other American workers under threat of unemployment, travel restrictions, and worse.
Uvalde L.E. killed 19 people – bad enough and without any justifiable excuse. But the illegally-installed Admin in DC has been responsible for the death of millions (so far!) via mandates AND deliberate economic destruction. And they’re just getting started – killing of young children and babies (via quackcines) plus deliberate food shortages and energy/power shortages are coming up.
Agree GB. But the 19 dead provide the high visibility and drama necessary for their objective to disarm all Americans. Except their police, BLM, Antifa and assorted cartels of course.
l thats true of all the victims of all the “random” shootings that have been occurring only in the recent decade or so. It’s blatantly obvious based on the instantaneous & unified “Ban Guns” response from the Left (DemoCommunists) after EVERY incident.
Notice that there is NEVER any curiosity on the Left when very suspicious circumstances – often some having very low odds of occurring – appear to have miraculously coincided to enable the incident…NEVER..
Systemic cowardice seems to be the biggest failure.
Failure by design.
No duty to protect, yet government requires children to go to school. Not to learn but collect 6k annual for every student.
Required to go but no duty to protect. Collect coin but if shooter arrives, too bad, so sad.
6K per student? Where is that? More like $15K in this part of the country.
That failure was not merely physical cowardice.
Until the border agent, not one officer had the moral courage to assume leadership, make decisions, or take action.
At the time I noted the fact that parents were running up on what should have been the firing line, pleading for something to be done, indicated a complete and total failure of command and control.
Whoever was nominally in charge never had control of the situation or immediately lost it. No one had the courage to point that failure out and correct it.
Everyone present appears to have been content to work within the established system, even though that system had clearly and catastrophically broken down.
It reeks of the bureaucratic necrosis eating away at the sinews of American society.
People collecting a check with no expectation of performance. A metaphor for America 2021-22.
re “lack of scene and overall commanders”
No, we need more armed citizens that finish the most egregious problem(s) before overpaid agents/agencies of questionable loyalty and intent, muddy the waters and fubar it all.
Misdirected DAs are serious problems, ez on real, lifelong criminals, but persecuting legit acts of self/community defense.
Citizen Justice is coming soon. Badges and barking commands will be laughed at–or worse.
Agree mike, but it appears in this case armed citizens would have to shoot their way past the armed police
I’m not giving up any rights because of inept law enforcement.
You ain’t the only one, paisan.
“Law enforcement” is their focus. That’s the problem. PEACE OFFICERS are what is needed.
Like Marshall Dillon..
“File not downloaded. Possible security breach.” ???
Yet, it managed to get the Gun Grab Law passed in both Chambers and signed by the Imposter. Go figure.
Last time I checked the Guv was responsible for education and law enforcement in the state.
Rick Scott failed Florida and they promoted him to US Senator.
What will happed to Governor ‘screw-up’ Abbott? Nothing, he will be reelected.
Sick. Just sick.
He could absolutely do something- national guard- anything- even a militia. But he is part of the McConnell crew.
Believe me, ari, Beto as the alternative is too horrible to contemplate.
Having said that, here we are with an inept climate cult worshipping, CoC loving RINO who seems to be content to watch our state collapse. And these two are the candidates in November.
Hobson’s choice.
And yet . . . and yet . . . people STILL voted for Abbott the Idiot in the primaries because . . . you know . . . someone BETTER couldn’t possibly beat the Beta Boy!
Huge SIGH of exasperation!
The one thing that the Uvalde showed us is that there are areas where one needs to be able to take care of them selves due to inadequate and sometimes cowardly police. Will say this is one thing I do like about South Dakota. It been made known often in the news and out sources that schools do have armed professionals on campus, however they don’t release the names, even most staff is unaware who is carrying. These people go through a 40 to 80 hour course, depending on prior gun history.
As it is, depending on where on lives it could take anywhere from 10 mins to even 30 mins for law enforcement to arrive at location of 911 call. This even takes into account telling them that you think you might have shot and injured the criminal! Rumor has it, that if law enforcement think there was a gun fired they will respond quicker.
Police are not guards. Don’t expect them to repel an assault in progress. That is unrealistic.
NOT unrealistic, especially when its children’s lives at stake.
SO YES I do expect LEOs to do a WHOLE Lot more in situations like the Uvalde shooting, especially when it is children’s lives in danger. As a teacher, now sub I pray often that if it ever happened in a school I was at , I would not be a coward & do something to try and stop the shooter, hopefully saving maybe a few young student lives
Hey I’m 73 and have lived my life. FYI even at 30, I felt the same way.
Remember one of the Globalist arguments for taking our guns is that American LEOs will be there to protect us.
Yes, I do. I expect them to run into the fire, not away from it. Everything about this police force reeks of cowardice. Just there to collect a pension and hassle honest folks. When asked to put their life on the line to protect those teachers and kids, well, that’s another story.
Their main job is fining motorists for non-violent, non-criminal traffic code violations. Their secondary job is arresting and fining drug users after stopping them for the previous traffic offenses. Third, they have to put up with repeat domestic disturbances and abuse situations.
Civil asset forfeiture is rampant, especially in areas near the border !!!!
Yes,the first two of these being revenue collecting activities (which is their primary purpose) for the police dept. and the local officials to piss away and to pay public attorneys’ bloated salaries.
That is ridiculous!
So . . . what are they there for?
Official interviewers and gatherers of information and evidence after the fact?
Not really true, #5. There are very few “call centers.” 99% of cities/towns have their own PD and 911 dispatchers. Officer’s dispatched within 2-3 minutes. How do I know? Been there for 28 years. Call centers come into play with multiple small agencies in rural areas. Are some cities 911 dispatch overwhelmed? Yes.
Hey where I used to live their call center closed down at 10 to 11 pm. Your call got pinged to other centers that could be even out of state.
Then there is the time I panicked when I realized my car had been stolen & called 911. Talk about 10 min delay to get to the point of 911 call, it took them at least 15 mins to finally answer the call. Not 15 mins to answer my call & put me on hold, but 15 minutes to finally answer. That was in Fresno California in 2003.
Yes, I realized after about 6 rings that a stolen car was not an emergency, but was afraid that if I hung up I might get a bashed in door. It was after about a dozen rings that I started timing it.
Well at least they were all social distancing, and washing their hands
Seriously, I’m speechless
Children are being murdered.
You don’t think, you just go in.
As I just said to Stu in my above comment.
As a teacher, now sub I pray often that I would not be a coward & would actually do something to try and stop the shooter, if a shooter situation ever happened in a school I was at! Hopefully a few young student lives might be saved if I attacked the shooter. Hey it has been found that when the shooter is attacked lives are saved.
Hey I’m 73 and have lived my life. FYI even at 30, I felt the same way.
Systemic failures. Yes, of course. Excuses for what happened by complicating the responsibility with minutiae.
400 armed law enforcement officers in body armor sat on their asses for an hour while one kid murdered 21 people.
That isn’t a systemic failure. It is an abject fiasco, a clusterfu@k of Biblical proportions. Utter incompetence.
This “report” is a stellar example of why Citizens ought to be Armed at all times, lest they become slaves.
Is anything going right in America these days?
Anything?
I ask that often…For this is not the America I thought I’d be living in when I was going to school in the 50s & 60s, or when I was a young mother in the 70s.
Truth be told it is my faith that gets me through from day to day.. Yes it has been a very rocky disappointing couple of decades.
Often I have to remind myself or in prayers, tell the Lord ‘I know you never said it would be an easy road, and I know You have our backs and have Your plans for good not evil’.
Do believe that if the Lord has given me another day, i need to try and use it in a decent manner, and be thankful for His many blessings.
Amen to that
Considering the increasing number of cosmically ignorant, pampered ingrates in our country, it’s refreshing to see that sentiment occasionally.
Yes. Millions of Americans went to church today and prayed for the security and restoration of our country.
and will continue to make God the primary center of the family.
It is difficult offcourse to consider anything that is right about America…it sure is when we see how much corruption and chaos in our society and government.
But there is good in this nation of people.
God Bless America
Millions of people went to church today, filled the basket with offerings that the church will use to fund the invasion.
Well my church is actually doing something just in case.
A group has been given the OK to do some classes.
Types of communication that can be used in case everything shuts down.
Ways to stock up and types of emergency food. Gardening .
Instruction of weapons available out there! If one wants to go further there are classes offered on picking a weapon that fits you and how to use it properly.
Make a bet some of you all on here have been looking into similar things.
It is in the darkness that the Light shines the brightest!
My heart and mind is right.
Your comment tells me that your heart and mind are as well!
Keep the faith-we aren’t done yet, not by a long shot.
They were not ‘systemic’ failures, they were human failures, plainly and simply. Men folded and dithered under pressure, no leadership was manifest anwhere in the chain, and every single guilty actor must now live and die with that. How in hell can any one of these cowardly LEOs ever consider picking up or even just looking at a weapon in the future.
“Systemic” failures to the degree that individuals relied on the “system” to act for them instead of just taking action themselves.
Yeah it was a systemic failure and it is describing a ‘human’ system in this instance. A failure of the entire human system from top to bottom is what the report is describing. A failure of the entire system of the government in Uvalde. The ‘system’ didn’t exist that should have stopped the shooter before he could’ve even entered the elementary school filled with children.
Unlocked outside entrance doors and unlockable school room doors that the teachers couldn’t lock from the inside. The person who had the active shooter in his sights asking for ‘permission’ to stop the active shooter before he even entered the school didn’t shoot because he felt he had to wait. It was an obvious application of the use of Deadly Force that should’ve been used but wasn’t because the ‘system’ mandated that he had to wait for someone not there to give him permission. That’s a classic instance of systemic failure. The system that didn’t stop the murder of over a dozen children.
Now I would expect to see several resignations by those who ran that system, but I’m also guessing they’ll stay within that system in that they’ll now believe that very same system who let those children die will now protect them. Because that’s exactly how such man-made systems of government work in today’s world.
Adults unwilling or incapable of risking their life for that of a child. Admitting you have a problem is step 1.
TY–As I said above
As a teacher, now sub I pray often that I would not be a coward & would do something to try and stop the shooter, if a shooter situation ever happened in a school I was at! Hopefully a few young student lives might be saved if I attacked the shooter. Hey it has been found that when the shooter is attacked lives are saved.
Hey I’m 73 and have lived my life. FYI even at 30, I felt the same way.
There’s a guy I watch on YouTube, named Brandon Tatum, former cop, who is really, really good… MOST of the time. But where the response to this shooting is concerned, he seems to have a blind spot. He’s done his research, but he is just totally convinced that the reason the cops did (and DIDN’T) do what they did has nothing to do with cowardice, and shouldn’t be second-guessed “if you weren’t there”, or “if you haven’t been a cop”. After listening to him, and watching the entire video, I might be willing to concede one point: The horrendously weak response wasn’t due to cowardice…. fine. But that doesn’t make it any better. It was still bad, bad, BAD beyond belief, and there’s no way to argue otherwise. Oh, and the way they treated the parents outside the school?… SICK.
Their inaction should be in the dictionary right after the word DEPRAVITY.
Yep, right between Depravity and Dereliction of Duty.
Brandon Tatum is wrong. Cops are supposed to be the dogs attacking the trash.
Either it WAS cowardice or a lack of concern.
Tatum is usually wrong. He’s a statist that will always cover for cops.
I’m sure some of the cops were champing at the bit, but in the end they still have to obey the chain of command or quit. And the chain of command is rotten everywhere these days. And one day that rotten chain of command will tell them to turn their guns on law abiding citizens and not all of them will quit on the spot.
I like Tatum but he like all mortals is biased as hell, it’s just something you have to adjust for with everyone. And I think he speaks with the unspoken knowledge that the worse the police are maligned be it fairly or not, the more good ones will abandon the force leaving the only the thugs behind. And if you think things are corrupt now, its a million times worse when none of them have to put on a show for the decent ones who might raise a stink.
“Chain of command”, my ass.
Can’t recall his name, but in Afghanistan some U.S. personelle went into a village, to meet with elders; it was an ambush.
A soldier outside requested permission to go in, and was ordered NOT to (Chain of command).
He said “F*ck THAT!” grabbed another soldier, and went in.
He was court martialed, then later that was rescinded, and he got the Congressional Medal of Honor.
Sometimes, ya just gotta say “F*ck that” when the chain of command is absent, or has its head up its ass.
There is no chain of command in an active shooter situation in Texas. You go in. Alone if you have to. You engage. You do not wait for permission. This is doctrinal.
Audie Murphy was from Texas. The most decorated soldier of WWII. He didn’t wait for the “command structure” to approve immediate actiion.
Rules of engagement, if they existed, were different then. Men were expected to be men and I’d bet their testosterone levels were way higher than they are now.
Why doesn’t vital “official” training include the idea that in the situation, “waiting for the chain of command” to tell you what to do is lethal to those IN the situation being violated and/or murdered, is plain stupid foolishness, and everyone should use the brains God gave them to do what must be done in those situations?!
You know: some critical, independence of thought? Are we training dogs (K9 training even allows for the dogs to use their own best judgment!) or human beings imbued with moral judgment who have volunteered to be protectors and defenders of those in these types of unconscionable situations?
What kind of evil “system” is it where human beings are trained to be so obedient they are forbidden to use their best judgment and courage in the very situations they’re supposed to be collecting a paycheck for?!
The “system,” the “training,” needs to be seriously and deeply revamped. Citizens rightly should be carrying, at all times. They should be “employed” by “Law Enforcement Officers”/departments as ASSETS to use in such situations. The “system” should be an equal partnership between law enforcement and the citizens who pay them.
Problems with “traffic duty,” “drug trafficking,” “human trafficking,” “paucity of funds for the department(s)” and “asset forfeiture” as “detours” from actual peacekeeping and protecting and serving even with lethal force if the situation requires it?
If the majority of citizens were armed, and most “traffic control” were abolished, there wouldn’t be such a dearth of funds such that police would be sidelined from their proper job to criminally but “legally” drum up business for their pay.
People, children, are dying because the stupid “system” of “Be Obedient Or Else” is forced on not merely those supposed to actually step in and protect us, but as a direct consequence to that stupidity.
What irrational stupid person ever came up with “Gun Free Zone” in the first place?! The “system” is set up for failure and mayhem and death.
And they extort us, calling it “taxes,” to pay them to do it, too. How is this justified in a reasonable and rational world?
It’s being reported that a good guy with a gun just neutralized a bad guy mall shooter sporting a rifle with multiple mags near Indianapolis, IN. No Uvalde leo cowards there.
Yep. I posted it on Pres thread.
Here’s a link
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-shooting-indiana-mall-killed-people-wounded-civilian-86988257
Did that shortcut the
response time,
miss narrative engineering,
potential systemic failures,
finger pointing,
bureaucratic post evaluation,
legal repercussions,
and did it save multiple untold lives?
Somebody might want to research and write a ‘how to’ protocol / report…. ?
Love thy neighbors
Breaks my heart every time this story comes up.
As a retired LEO living in Texas, you badge wouldn’t have been bigger than mine to keep me away from those events that day.
It would have taken your entire department (yes you Uvalde, and DPS) to restrain me which would have opened a window for other like-minded officers to go in and eliminate the threat.
There are so many things wrong with this entire event, and a lot of the blame lies on the feet on one female DPS Sergeant.
She needs to burn for this, but I doubt it ever happens.
Try to pretend for for one minute that most here aren’t law enforcement. What is “DPS”?
Maybe that sergeant was inept, still, weren’t there any lieutenants, captains, chiefs, inspectors, commanders or other sergeants to overrule her?
Dept. Of Public Safety
DPS = state troopers in Texas.
Department of Public Safety, aka State Trooper, aka Texas Highway Patrol.
TY for your service…
Strange but just the week (May 11–17) prior to the Uvalde shooting was National Police week. I was posting daily Thank YOUs for our American LEOs.
When the details came out about Uvalde I couldn’t believe the in-action of the LEOs.
multiple
systemic failurescowardly scumLobotomized drones, more like it.
Not one independent-minded moral person among them.
Per the Interim Report, 23 Federal, State and municipal agencies were onsite. Twenty-three.
75 minutes elapsed before anyone took decisive action to end the horror.
The biggest problem isn’t defunding…it’s the gelding of law enforcement, despite all of the training, certification, all of the acronyms and special silos. It’s an expression of the wider bureaucratization and diminishing of personal agency at work in the larger system.
Just my $2.
Interesting point. Locally we have removed branch managers from individual libraries. There is now a central regional manager. The local librarians really have very little authority to make decisions. The former lead librarian at our local library, one of the finest librarians I’ve known, was chastised by management for speaking to patrons. This is just another example of the “wider bureaucratization and diminishing of personal agency” you mention.
That’s really too bad; I’m sorry to hear about that.
The loss of real institutional wisdom and customer service can’t be measured in dollars. Whatever they imagined they’d gain by this centralization comes to a huge net loss of patrons. Perhaps that’s what they want—less local authority and, ultimately, far less customer engagement and service.
That this has been a practice at the Federal level is incontestable. The National Park Service is the poster child of this malaise.
From my years of experience and research, I can only say this about bureaucracies: They exist only to continue to ensure not just their survival, but growth. They take for granted the annual ~3% budget increase, while inventing ways to say they’re saving money and cutting back.
When the annual budget increase is not forthcoming, agitation from the SES (politically-appointed director/superintendent/secretary, etc.) to labor unions and nonprofit interest groups makes the executive and the congressional decision makers very uncomfortable.
Bureaucracies find ways to centralize authority and control, while espousing politically-advantageous fads to demonstrate that they’re keeping up with the trends and are therefore relevant and indispensable. All of this activity is based on a lie.
Bureaucracies adopt clever rhetorical and symbolic ways to posture themselves as caring about people, especially “disadvantaged” or “underrepresented” people, when in fact human beings are merely machine parts to them—replaceable, and worth only as much blood and sweat they can squeeze out of them before they break. They really don’t care about the disadvantaged or underrepresented; those unfortunates find that they are “diversity” hires, no more valuable than the short-term political symbolism that they serve.
Bureaucracies are self-serving; collectively narcissist to the extreme. If there is a collective sociopathy, bureaucracies are the very definition. If bureaucracies are made to answer to a higher authority, they do so only symbolically and in ways that are solely politically expedient for their primary goal of self-perpetuation.
The end state of bureaucracies, if they are not somehow dissolved by overwhelming popular outcry, is utter and complete control, with no accountability whatsoever.
In short, bureaucracies, left to themselves, lead to communism, collectivism, and Statism.
Exactly so. Thank you!!
Systemic failures? Horseshit, move to the sounds of the gunshots or turn in your badge. Simple as that that.
^^^^THIS!!!!!!^^^^
Safety protocols were not followed.
I have seen other videos of this event and I don’t know whether to call it a sequel To the Cowards of Broward County or the Keystone Cops.
None of this should of happened. I have worked on school projects, remodels and new construction and the outside doors are always locked and sometimes chained shut in dangerous areas during school hours. You can only enter though the main doors unless there are card readers on the other doors.
Fire Marshalls don’t approve of chained exit doors.
The chained shut doors went on for years the principles at these knew it was a fire code violation, they also knew how violent the area was. to my knowledge they never had a mass shooting or a fire. I worked there supervising a crew at night, you could hear a lot of gun shots all night long. One time the safety man showed up to write up window installer for not wearing safety glasses. It was at night and he asked why the house behind the school had a bunch of huge flood lights lighting up the house and yard We told him that there had been a double murder there earlier. We told him that there was a lot crime/homicides in the surrounding area and it was very dangerous after dark. After that we never saw the safety man again.
There were “multiple systematic failures.” Tell us something we don’t know.
Who gave the orders to stand down?
Why were the LEOs told to stand down?
If you read the report, you’ll understand that there was no command station, poor or no communication between officers, no one knew who was in charge, and worst of all . . . .
Procedures were being followed for a barricaded shooter (in other words, a shooter cornered) as it wasn’t until later that it became known to officers on the scene that there were children in the classroom.
That lack of information explains the lack of urgency to breach the classroom.
Are you really buying that line?!
A school. Weekday. Children can be heard screaming. Parents were trying to get to their children, but being prevented by officers.
Not a brain or cognitive ability among those over 400 armed officers from at least 23 different departments/agencies?!
Really?
And people wonder why this country is in the state it is.
Is there no understanding that no one NEEDS TO WAIT FOR A “COMMAND CENTER” AND A “COMMANDER” TO DO WHAT IS OBVIOUSLY NEEDFUL?!
What is up with that?!
Its unfortunate, but officers Fed/State/Local) often rise to high rank based on an ability to avoid making a decision. Add to this, skills in blaming others, and an innate instinct that warns them of impending trouble so that they can make an early exit.
Many of these weasels are very good managers. But a manager is not a leader. And you need a leader when extreme events unfold, not a weasel.
You managed to state very clearly what I was fumbling around earlier.
The lack of moral courage demonstrated in this incident is a symptom of a larger problem in current American society. Moral courage is a necessary component of leadership, and most institutions promote efficiency at the expense of both.
Wow, just wow! NO INCIDENT COMMAND ON SCENE OF AN MCI (Mass Casualty Incident)/ACTIVE SHOOTER EVENT!
For someone that was a Paramedic in the rougher parts of Houston 22 years ago, this shocks and horrifies me to my core (and believe me I’ve seen a lot).
Back in 2000 there were protocols/procedures law enforcement/EMS/Fire Departments followed on scene that saved lives. Where did they go? How did they evaporate?
We are in trouble as a society , we are not a communal. we are an individual, each and every one of us.
At corrections we probably had similar/same ones.
Every year there was a Mock Practice
with agencies in the area.
When minutes count, cops are there to pick up the body bags. Hence, the reason you are responsible for your own safety. In the case of schools, ARM THE DAMN TEACHERS!
This should have been the story on the Uvalde shooting and the LEOs that responded. “Real Hero of the Day”: Armed Citizen Shot and Killed Man With Rifle Who Was Shooting People at Indiana Mall Food Court: Police; Victims: 3 Killed, 2 Wounded
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/real-hero-day-armed-citizen-shot-killed-man-rifle-shooting-people-indiana-mall-food-court-police-victims-3-killed-2-wounded/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons via @gatewaypundit
These folks need a T-Shirt
POLICE ACADEMY (1984) THE BLUE OYSTER “SALAD” BAR
Having watched the entire video and having read all of Section 5 of the report that dealt with the police response (lack of response) these are my first impressions:
The committee obviously wants to blame this unmitigated failure by law enforcement on “multiple systemic failures”. Chairman Burrow’s repeated that phrase twice in the first minute of his speech. Burrows also said he spoke to the families and told them “we want to show them as much respect as possible …and I told them that the most that we can do to be respectful at this point is not to just blame one person or thing“. So like 9/11 this was just a failure of systems – not people.
In section 5 of report I noticed what appears to be a major white-wash by the committee. From previous reporting based on interviews by various law enforcement agencies we learned that one of the first officers on the scene spotted the killer outside of the school upon his arrival. The killer was dressed in all-black and was armed with a rifle. This officer radioed his superior to ask for permission to shoot the killer but did not receive a reply and the killer subsequently entered the school. Now according to testimony given to the committee the story has been completely re-written. Now according to this report the officer saw a man dressed in all black (no mention of rifle) and asked for permission to shoot him. That permission did not come but the committee determined that the man dressed in all black was the schools coach!
Also according to the report Chief Arredondo who was inside the school near the classroom had no idea for the entire 73 minutes that there were children inside the classroom with the shooter. According to the report Arredondo along with the other officer’s outside the classroom all claim that they did not hear any cries for help in all that time. This claim is not believable. Last week when they released surveillance video from inside the school the audio was muted because they did not want the public to hear the cries of the children!
The principal of the school tried to send out an alert to the teachers using what’s called the “Raptor Alert System” that send’s alerts to phone’s but she had trouble with the wi-fi reception. According to the report the principal did not use the school’s intercom system to send out an alert (we had these when I went to school 50 years ag0). This was an incredibly stupid mistake by the principal.
The classroom that the killer entered had faulty locks on the door that was well known to everyone in the school. Repair requests had been ignored. Furthermore all three exits were unlocked!
The police response was divided into two groups on opposite ends of the hallway and they were not in communication with each other. An incredibly stupid response since it created a crossfire situation where the officers on the south end of the hall were looking down the barrels of the guns on the north end and vice versa.
The lack of a central command post was according to the committee a major reason for the failure which of course is nonsense. There was no time to set up a command post with injured kids bleeding out inside a classroom. Over 350 officers responded to the school but the committee believe the failure to establish a command post was a major reason for the failure? The acting chief of Uvalde police actually set up for a time a command post in an office inside the funeral home across the street! Think how completely pointless that was! Setting up a “command post” in a funeral home of all places while little kids are bleeding out across the street!
I found it strange that the chairman abruptly ended the press conference at 6pm citing a “Mass that we have to attend”. You can see the reaction from the room that a lot of people were very disappointed that the committee left without answering all their questions. What was the big rush?
Finally I see a lot of conservative commentators are jumping on the part of the report involving the many lockdown’s in recent month’s owing to the rise in bailout incidents which are the result of Biden’s failure to secure the border. I hope that they will not use this to deflect blame away from where it needs to be! Conservatives need to resist playing the democratic game of exploiting tragedies to make a political point. I have no doubt that none of the teachers inside the schools or the officers who responded thought this was just another “bailout lockdown”. They had to know that this was for real – they saw and heard the shooter outside the school with his rifles – they heard the volley of gunfire from inside the school.
Keith_ points out: “Also according to the report Chief Arredondo who was inside the school near the classroom had no idea for the entire 73 minutes that there were children inside the classroom with the shooter.”
This incident occurred on a school day . . . so where else–besides INSIDE the classrooms–would the children be? There’s an active shooter inside a school filled with children, but everyone assumes no one’s getting shot or killed?
I agree with you–that’s the biggest load crap I’ve heard in a while!
Shocked by police response.
However, I place most of the blame on the government which has declared war against anyone being proactive against criminals.
This administration has effectively destroyed law &
order in the whole country.
So McConaughey acted his scripted part and got gun grabbing legislation passed — what is he doing to help his “hometown “ now? This was a well planned act to get a law passed.
where are the “crime scene” photo,s showing the pools of blood bodies etc
is there any proof this happened ? or only hearsay, death certificates ?
is there proof, or just believe
Policemen have increasingly become average government workers.
Job #1 is to protect and max out the salary pension benefits government combo.
Everything else is secondary.
There are almost no incentives to ‘go beyond’ and do outstanding work; the pay is the same for the top performers as it is for the slugs.
Show up keep a low profile take the training fill out timesheets and all paperwork do enough to pass the annual review.
…and then they retire and become school security supplementing their retirement. 🙄
Numerous abject failures was another term used before the report even came out. The term is synonymous with the systemic failure term. All of those children would still be alive if the one person who had the shooter in his sights before he entered the school hadn’t been “waiting for permission” to use deadly force on an identified armed gunman about to enter into an elementary school full of children.
But that was only the first of three people who failed to stop the active shooter when they had, and were the only ones who had the responsibility of doing so. The use of Deadly Force was justified and yet at every instance it wasn’t applied at the opportunity by those most trained to carry it out when they had their firearms pointed directly at the active shooter.
An abject failure individually, a systemic failure only meaning those at the top of the administrative hierarchy didn’t do what they should’ve been proactively doing. They only did the minimum required of themselves, and little children were made to pay the balance.
“Multiple systemic failures”
The current state of much of government.
One of the key takeaways in the report: Local police have been desensitized to potential emergencies by the massive number of “bailouts”: Smugglers who intentionally run their vehicle off the road when pursued and dozens of illegal aliens jump out and flee in all directions.
The manner in which the suspect crashed his grandmother’s pickup into the ditch was nothing unusual thanks to Biden’s open border. Bailout fatigue contributed to the slow response.
The Warren Commission Report – oh excuse me I mean the Uvalde school shooting report – is just like all the other “reports” provided to We the People. By all means let’s blame the wi-fi system, the faulty door locks, etc. not the response of the cowards in a uniform they are not qualified to wear.
The Chief of Police is an anti-gun Beto supporter. First, He should lose his job. And then everyone else that stood in the hallway should lose their jobs. Simple fix.
All about NWO Agenda to disarm good citizens…they don’t care how they get there
I thought of what my wonderful, RIP, father-in-law and HIS generation would have done. What if it was 100 WW2 Vet Police Officers responding to this? Zero doubt in my mind what they would have done. We have lost a great deal over the generations.
multiple systemic failures = cowardly LEOs more worried about their lives rather than those they supposedly swore to protect.
*spit*
Somewhere I heard that there were something like FOUR HUNDRED LEO’s called to the school that day.
For ONE SHOOTER.
And they didn’t even go in to stop the killings.
COWARDS
Craven cowardice.