Closing arguments have wrapped up in the trial of former Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann. The jury is now deliberating. In an unusual twist, trial Judge Christopher Cooper said if a verdict arrives today, he will withhold reading the outcome until Tuesday due to prior commitments.
Despite the evidence that Michael Sussmann lied to FBI officials about the reason for him bringing the Clinton campaign manufactured false information about a Trump-Russia connection via Alfa-Bank in Trump Tower, it is highly unlikely Sussmann will be found guilty. The reason is simply that regardless of whether he told FBI officials the material came from Hillary Clinton’s campaign; the FBI knew Sussmann was an operative of Hillary Clinton’s campaign. It’s an issue of materiality.
Top leadership at the FBI concealed Sussmann as the Alfa-Bank source from the FBI investigators who were given the information. Whether Sussmann lied about bringing the false evidence on behalf of the Clinton campaign was immaterial to how the evidence was handled. Again, as CTH has said for the past two years, the background of Durham investigating the ‘outsiders’ is filled with pretending. Even Andrew McCarthy, a defender of the institutions, outlined the FBI playing pretend as a “bad look.”
The New York Post has a solid article outlining all the pretending – “What we learned at the trial this week is that, notwithstanding Baker’s insistence that he believed Sussmann’s cover story, FBI headquarters officials fully realized they were acting on highly political information and took steps to conceal that fact.
First, a decision was made to treat Sussmann, the source, as a confidential informant. This was not done to protect Sussmann’s security. It was done to protect the FBI’s reputation. The informant pretext enabled headquarters to conceal Sussmann’s identity from the line agents in Chicago who were tasked to assess the Alfa-Bank information.
As good investigators, the agents wanted to know the source of the information so they could assess the purveyor’s motive and thus the data’s likely reliability. They were frustrated and annoyed that headquarters would not identify the source and allow him to be interviewed.
If they had been told Sussmann was behind the data, they would instantly have known that the information was political. As it was, they quickly concluded that the information was nonsense, that it did not come close to establishing a Trump-Kremlin communications channel, and that it probably came from someone with an anti-Trump agenda.
Second, the headquarters effort to cover up Sussmann’s identity reached such absurd heights that the FBI itself made false statements in documenting the investigation. In the “electronic communication” by which the bureau opens cases, agents claimed that the information had come not from Sussmann, not even from a confidential source, but from … wait for it … the US Department of Justice. This was so ridiculous that, embarrassingly, none of the agents involved could explain how that happened.
Third, the FBI’s brass was so hot to nail Trump for supposedly being a clandestine agent of Russia that the line agents’ rejection of the evidence made no difference. “People on the 7th floor to include the Director are fired up about this server,” said headquarters agent Joe Pientka in a message to one of the Chicago agents.
The 7th floor houses the suite of top executive offices at FBI headquarters, including that of Director Comey. When the Chicago cyber investigators found no basis for criminal charges, they were told to keep the case open as a counterintelligence matter. “Priestap says it’s not an option — we must do it,” admonished Pientka, referring to the bureau’s top counterintelligence official. (read more)
The NY Post reaches the same conclusion CTH highlighted years ago. “In fact, if Sussmann is acquitted, that will have a lot more to do with the bureau’s machinations than Sussmann’s innocence,” they write.
The DOJ, FBI and everyone associated with the information knew they were receiving opposition research from the Clinton campaign. However, the FBI had to pretend they didn’t know in order to use the false information to start another Trump investigation.
The media were then told by the Clinton campaign that the FBI had the Alfa-Bank material under investigation, that FBI involvement gave the illusion of credibility. The media then asked the FBI if they did have an investigation of the material and wrote their articles accordingly.
The media articles carried additional weight because the suspicions existing connected to actual material within an FBI investigation gave the suspicions more credibility.
This is the exact same reason why several months later, March 2017, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI), Vice-Chairman Mark Warner, told the SSCI security director James Wolfe to leak Carter Page FISA application to journalist Ali Watkins. Same approach as Sussmann.
In 2016 Michael Sussmann wanted media articles verifying Donald Trump as an investigative target of the FBI to help Hillary Clinton.
In 2017 Mark Warner wanted media articles verifying Donald Trump’s campaign officials as investigative targets of the FBI to get a special counsel appointed.
In both examples the primary motive was to use the media to get an outcome.
Michael Sussmann was the delivery agent to the FBI so that the Perkins Coie law firm to lean on their media allies to spread the Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy. Sussmann had a pre-existing relationship with FBI Counsel Jim Baker that would be useful for that purpose. Hence, the origin of the contact that was argued in court.
It was the media angle that was more important to the Clinton campaign; the FBI angle was only to bolster the credibility of the Trump-Russia accusation, and the FBI were more than willing to use the material and try to help Hillary Clinton.
The entire media system knew along with everyone else inside and outside of government, that their efforts to create the Trump-Russia conspiracy and collusion narrative were based on fraudulent pretext manufactured by the Clinton campaign.
They all knew it.
They all acted collaboratively, and they all engaged purposefully.
The same can be said for the Mueller/Weissmann investigation that followed. There was not a single person in Washington DC who did not know the Mueller special counsel was appointed entirely to hide all of the preceding government corruption. However, as typical within the last decade of DC corruption, everyone keeps pretending.
From the claim of men having babies, to denying the entire apparatus of the U.S. government weaponized to target a political opponent, we are a nation pretending.
So I expect an acquittal and an extravagant media splash announcement that despite the best efforts of the mean Trump supporter, Durham, and his team of bloodthirsty and reckless right-wing henchmen, the saintly and sartorially impeccable Sussman will once again walk freely through our free and open society. Perhaps a tearful interview with the idiot Robin Roberts is being taped for airing Tuesday night. It will be then that we see true heroism.
It’s all Theater — total bs – Durham is on it as was Barr….
Will we ever learn?
Learn what?
I’m sure it would be totally immaterial if a peon were to happen to misstate something to the Ges, err, FBI.
We are a nation pretending, perhaps better said ruled by pretenders. CTH stood alone for years unpacking the lies and pointing to the inconsistencies. SD our judiciary may have a guilty verdict on Tuesday or it may continue the pretending, but Mr. Durham has revealed to the world unfamiliar with your work the weaponization of our government against candidate and President Trump. Either way, the pretenders remain in control of the administrative state, what is to make of truth?
The truth is all we have SD, God Bless you for being a shining light.
We are a nation too stupid to keep our democratic republic. It’s already gone and there is no one who can bring it back. Our votes don’t matter anymore. Only vote counters matter. I hate being so negative about this but things have just gone too far. We are a Godless and soulless nation. Certainly not talking about anyone on this forum.
Its all grand theater for public consumption to give the impression something is being done.
Little fish may fry but as aways the big fish slip away.
now we have show trials
when will Lamp Post Ornaments become Great Again??
Not nearly soon enough!
I play a game once in awhile wondering what life would be like if you grew up hearing only the truth.
Socially, culturally, politically, scientifically, etc, You were taught & engaged in the truth of things.
What would that foundation of accumulated knowledge we stand on look like.
Would any of our present day topics, like the pandemic, global warming, the gender mess, concern us?
All this lying (pretending) effects us. Layer after layer of lies & deceit making up the world as we know it.
Just how far off the road (the road being the truth) are we?
There is a movie called the Invention of Lying. Ricky Gervais and Jennifer Garner star. The whole world tells the truth all the time without regard to feelings. Gervais’ character invents lying and the story grows.
It is frustrating and absurd for our children to have to defend the Truth and their pronouns due to a confused or mentally ill handful. Time kids could spend learning something of revelence to grow capability. They don’t want our children capable.
In summary, Sussman’s lies did not matter so we can cut him loose because the U.S. government was involved in a seditious conspiracy to overthrow a duly elected President.
And let’s not actually look at the seditious conspiracy because “reasons”.
Account of an off-duty Border Patrol agent who rescued numerous children and his own daughter after his wife who was a 4th grade teacher at the elementary school texted him for help. I hope it isn’t behind a pay wall.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/off-duty-border-patrol-agent-saves-students-daughter-after-wife-texts-help_4493584.html
My apologies for posting this on the wrong thread!
No problem!
Too bad it wasn’t Sussman and the rest of the cabal and criminal cartel in that classroom instead of the kids and their teachers.
Might be for the best.
Right now the media is focused on Texas.
The verdict will probably be a blip in their
reporting..if even mentioned at all.
With Texas being center of attention right now….it is almost guaranteed no mention would be made.
Barr = Bondo
Durham = Spray Paint
McCarthy doesn’t understand the term materiality or does understand and is pretending not to.
It is not limited to the fbi believing the false statement. If the FBI wouldn’t have instigated an investigation short a tip from Sussman , notwithstanding that the fbi was using his tip as an excuse, his false statement was still material- Ie absent his statement (and the cover it provided) the fbi wouldn’t have initiated the investigation.
Sure they might have done so based on some other fraudulent predicate that they knew to be false but that doesn’t óbviate from the fact that they used sussman tip as predicate.
Expect the opposite regarding this outcome’s estimation given here.
I am that camp as well.. I expect a conviction.
At the human level justice delayed often means justice denied.
However, in the fullness of time there will be a last judgement with real justice and no escaping.
A lot of good that does anyone.
Here how it will go.
Sussman will be aquitted by the friendly jury.
FBI was duped, fooled by Russia and DNA ..no nefarious intent.
Congress RHINOs will says that Mueller was suppose to be a stand up guy
so they believe he was running a real investigation..my bad..
There were a few bad apples but mostly they are good guys..
Time to move along..
Nope, hung jury with most in favor of guilty. Government will then threaten another trial. In order to avoid another trial and $$$$$ in legal fees, Sussman will plead guilty to lying to the FBI, in exchange for no jail time and 1 year attorney practice suspension.
The Hillary donors on the jury will leak the Not Guilty verdict long before Tuesday.
This is all steer feces.
I’m going for another cocktail.
A wise old man once told me: “Everything after Ya…but – is bullshit”.
If the FBI leadership had integrity, they would hang themselves. Congratulations to the FBI – no one in America believes a damn thing you say or do.
Former Attorney General Bill Barr Says Clinton Guilty Of ‘Sedition’!
This is the link: https://conservativebrief.com/sedition-63202/
Too little too late you bloated POS
Is this the SAME Bagpipes Bill who said there was NO evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 STEAL? (rhetorical, no need for reply)
And yet people think we will “out vote” the mess our federal collective system is.
I’m sorry but… You’ve got to be a complete idiot.
Can any of the information gathered in this trial be used in Trmp’s lawsuits? If so, there could be some value yet? Just wondering.
PDJT (pardon the misspelling)
But isn’t his exoneration an indictment of the FBLie?
As if it matters…
So the same day as the Depp verdict. That should bury it!
“From the claim of men having babies, to denying the entire apparatus of the U.S. government (was?) weaponized to target a political opponent, we are a nation pretending.”
please understand that “men having babies” has more relative truth in it than does the latter denial which is unquestionably true.
what this former statement means to those who make it draws on the concept of gender dysphoria: thinking you “are” the opposite of the apparent sex you were born. suspend disbelief for a moment to hear this out. take the examples of, say, christine jorgensen or renee richards: men who chose to have their bodies operated on, take hormone therapy, dress and live as women. not many people’s cup of tea but in some sense, not in a chromosomal sense, but in some sense, these people are more like women than men. maybe so, maybe not, but they think so. whether this is mental illness or just some extreme position along the spectrum of human behavior is debatable surely. but homosexuality used to be thought the same and now is not, at least to a significant degree. of course these beings born men cannot become pregnant.
but now consider the opposite case, perhaps rarer still, women who feel as if they are really men. ok. so what is meant by those claiming men can become pregnant is that such people, in some sense “men” (yes, it takes a considerable leap of faith and imagination), can, until surgery, in fact become pregnant. this is an argument built upon many highly debatable assumptions but it is at least not as absurd as the pictures of pregnant men (resembling bill gates?) would have us believe.
thus the statement has at least a whiff of truth in it, whereas denying the thoroughgoing corruption of the u.s. government has none at all.
You’d have to be totally living in a cave to think this guy is getting convicted. He’s not. All planned. DC is a cesspool.
clearcut RICO case here…
Remain
In
Caves
Oafs
The big Durham belly flop on Tuesday – can’t figure out what he was supposedly guilty of and neither can the jury – did he not lie to FBI bc they knew he was lying in the first place or they knew he was not lying bc he wasn’t lying -? Heads you win , tails I lose , Hannity or Joe DeG can you clear this up …unwinding the tick tok clock please
When someone presents a lie, and you fake surprise, or did they?
“Top leadership at the FBI concealed Sussmann as the Alfa-Bank source from the FBI investigators who were given the information.”
“Peter Strzok would know because he had been investigating the Trump-Russia collusion hoax since early 2016. The Crossfire Hurricane investigation was triggered July 31, 2016, and by the time Michael Sussmann was selling the Alfa-Bank hoax the FBI was aware all of the material was coming from political opposition research and Fusion GPS.”
Peter Strzok is a double agent. This means that he worked for both the FBI and CIA for years and based on the above the FBI and CIA knew Hillary Clinton cooked up the Trump-Russian lie for four years. This means that FBI and CIA knew through Stzok’s report and before Michael Sussmann approached them. His claim was a lie.
“and before Michael Sussmann approached them”
this is key.
many people may have forgotten or just never connected this timeline. to understand
HOW EASY THIS CASE WAS FOR DURHAM TO SOLVE AND THEN START SLAPPING DOWN INDICTMENTS for criminal conspiracy…
God Bless America
All the deep state actors, have played their parts well, very convincing and that includes Durham. The script was written a while back, and the ending is predictable. No convictions.
corrupt liar Hillary Clinton and her lawyer sussmanna should get prosecuted and go to prison,
How can Sussmann be convicted of lying to the FBI when the FBI already knew the information being presented was false. Co-conspirators chose one to play guilty of lying to the other.
I’m not going to predict a guilty verdict by the DNC’s dream jury. However, I’m not sure that this statement is accurate:
“Whether Sussmann lied about bringing the false evidence on behalf of the Clinton campaign was immaterial to how the evidence was handled. ”
Sussmann, as a former DoJ Counsel knew the FBI’s standard procedures and designed his approach to cause Baker to treat him as a confidential source, thus hiding his connection to the Clinton Campaign and DNC from technical investigators. The time this bought was sufficient for the Seventh Floor criminals to get their teeth into a full blown anti-Trump investigation that the press could ask about. Sussmann’s lie to Baker was a well-crafted aspect of the operation, without which the whole operation couldn’t start. That reality is probably far too much for a pro-Hillary jury to consider.
it’s also a reality that durham half heartedly “attempted”.
and of course Judge Cooper has filtered this materiality issue.
there is nothing normal about this case.
Dc, there will not be a conviction.
Why didn’t Durham try to change the venue
Why, it’s almost as if it was all staged.
Look at a map of US county-by-county election results, colored Red (Republican) and Blue (Neo-Communist). Federal Courts are located in major urban areas, almost universally Blue. Good luck finding a fair jury pool anywhere a Federal Court exists.
Washington DC is utterly Corrupt.
The Republic is in ruins.
All to cover up H. Clinton’s sever and personal communication.
Long weekend for the jurors to learn about unofficial consequences of their actions.
REGARDLESS of the trial’s outcome, you HAVE TO prosecute and try these miscreants.
Because that’s the ONLY way that you can maintain even a semblance of accountability.
Evil flourishes in the absence of even the risk of being caught and prosecuted, since there is no incentive at all for people to modify their behavior.
I do not know if the government is covering the legal expenses for this miscreant but if they aren’t you know the Left is chipping in….normally the PROCESS is the punishment but other than a spotlight this loser will likely suffer little to no consequence
My point is that you either believe in accountability or you don’t.
And belief in accountability means that sometimes you have to pursue doing the right thing despite the outcome.
To settle for just being cynical is to abandon the war out of fear that some battles will be lost.
Guilty! Fixed it for you Judge.
The FBI knew that Sussman was lying.
Sussman knew that the FBI knew that he was lying.
The FBI knew that Sussman knew that the FBI knew that Sussman was lying.
The FBI subborned the lie.
The FBI used it to attack an innocent party that both the FBI and Sussman knew was innocent.
The lie is material.
The lie is a crime.
The subbornation of false testimony is a crime.
It has not been charged yet.
It may never be charged in this life.
Both Sussman and the FBI bore false witness.
Exodus 20:16 – KJV
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
9th Commandment
Sussmann is guilty as sin but I expect the partisan leftist jury will acquit. In the rare event he is convicted expect the sentence to be comically light. The system is politicized and totally rigged.
“Third, the FBI’s brass was so hot to nail Trump for supposedly being a clandestine agent of Russia that the line agents’ rejection of the evidence made no difference. “People on the 7th floor to include the Director are fired up about this server,” said headquarters agent Joe Pientka in a message to one of the Chicago agents. “
I don’t recall specifically, but if this Alfa Bank stuff was the start of the whole Muh Russia Collusion, what did FIB leadership have prior to this to make them so hot?
“The NY Post reaches the same conclusion CTH highlighted years ago. “In fact, if Sussmann is acquitted, that will have a lot more to do with the bureau’s machinations than Sussmann’s innocence,” they write.”
Such a contrast with what they did to Gen. Flynn.
So exactly how can we remain a union? Id rather have 2 states to ourselves just make sure one is on the ocean. We are just way too different you cant import third worlders for decades and not expect the fabric of a Republic to fall apart. You can def have multiculturalism. Just not in a democracy where a party uses identity politics non stop
And off topic, I love the Tucker Carlson show but is there something wrong with him? He NEVER BLINKS, like rarely like some hypnotic shit
Sussmann trial generating stories like this one on zerohedge read by tens of thousands of people. Excellent for our side.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sussmann-trial-exposes-dems-scandal-industrial-process
Who was it that had the song “Pretending “? That should be the theme song for the swamp and media.
Eric Clapton
Guilty!
A common whore has more integrity.
I wonder if Johnny and Amber were paid for the show trial distraction? $50 or 100 million is mere drop in bucket for the Clinton Foundation.