In this segment, CNN’s Dana Bash questions US Permanent Representative to NATO, Julianne Smith, about the Biden administration’s support for Ukraine. However, notice throughout the conversation about who is doing what, there is a key point missing. Where is the national debate to justify authorization?
While the Biden administration and western partner nations in NATO continue to pour money and military equipment into Ukraine, obviously, preparing for a long-term insurgency effort and proxy war against Russia, notice how there is never a single mention about the citizens in the U.S. being consulted for authorization of the government action.
There has not been a single political or U.S. national leader who has demanded a representative debate on the issue of providing increasingly escalating weapons into a nation in order to trigger a proxy war against Russia. The same lack of public/representative debate also applies to the U.K and NATO countries. All of the decisions being made, leading to the potential for World War 3, are being unilaterally made by detached politicians without regard for the opinion of the people.
‘We The People’ are irrelevant.
Think about it.
Sorry, but everyone has been playing “I’m not touching you” for as long as I can remember, American, Russian, AND Chinese. We all probe, tempt, instigate, bait, and generally shake our naked asses in each others’ faces. We all do it. It’s nothing new.
Our aircraft buzz each other’s ships and aircraft. Our ships cruise dangerously close to each others’ territory. And once in a while, one crosses the line. Oops!
That is exactly why it is so beyond the pale for a major power to actually take the bait (or use it as a pretense) and launch an illegal and unprovoked invasion of a neighboring sovereign European country. Provocations are so commonplace that ANY provocation short of an actual attack or invasion is NOT a provocation.
Ukraine did not launch an attack over Russia’s border, did not shell targets within Russia, nor send Ukrainian troops into Russia. Russia’s invasion was unprovoked and illegal. Period.
Hear hear! And I’ll add a bit to it. The little boy poking could also be Russia poking Ukraine. “I’m not bullying you. I’m not trying to control you. I am not using you as my buffer. Now am I”.
Nice Deep State double-talk attempt to deflect from from Sundance’s revelation:
Biden’s ENTERING into WAR WITHOUT citizen support and a Congressional Declaration of War:
”notice how there is never a single mention about the citizens in the U.S. being consulted for authorization of the government action”
Since when has Feds ever consulted with citizens going to war. Why debate, when executive goes for the yellow cake routine or you know where outbound cite rape and killing kids. But to your point, we need to remove ALL OF CONGRESS, Exectutive, K street and deconstruct 80% of bureaucrats.
We are simply a spigot they turn on when they want more money. They are totally removed from the people. I wish we had a parliamentary government like Great Britain.
Civic indolence took the citizenry out of the process. There’s only so much blame to be lumped onto the backs of the so-called elite.
“trapper”: “We all … generally shake our naked asses in each others’ faces.”
“F’n Joe” … is that you!?
What kind of a civilized human being would even think to use behaviour like that, much less, to even express that???
President Trump wouldn’t but I can’t speak for you, Joe.
It’s from the movie Braveheart. I thought everyone would get the reference.
Nope, IMO this is definitely pushing for WW3.
How many people did we send to Poland?
How many so called advisors are in Ukraine?
How about when JoBama sends them to get killed?
Ukraine is none of our business, they’re not in NATO, and they’re not worth WW3 if they were.
JoBama handed Ukraine to Putin despite all that tough guy / demented angry guy act.
Thars right but the Ukraine has been killing ethnic Russians in the east for years. It has also been a tool of the state department and a money laundering operation for DC. Sooner or later Putins hand was going to be forced. He wants that sea access and he wants to add millions of Russians to his population. He also gets control of gas oil and agriculture taking the east.
Additionally the state department wants to arm an insurgency that will last years. Lots of dead Ukranians and the Ukraune becomes the new Syria. This could have been solved with treaties but our state department wanted to test Putin. Forget Zelenskyy he’s our puppet.
Not to mention, Ukraine has lots of natural resources. Very lucrative for Russia or the US.
Well, technically you have a point in that we usually cross an ocean before we invade countries, usually unprovoked., instead of crossing into a neighboring sovereign state. Although we always come up with a faux provocation or excuse for committing our atrocities on others.
But all that aside, looking at the governments of Ukraine and Russia where picking the good side is just like trying to pick up the turd by the clean end. Yes, innocent people are being killed by governments, no different than the. likely, millions, we’ve killed over our decades of warring.
So, while I understand the explanation of your position, this one is none of our business, IMO.
Same situation in the Vietnam War. Russia and China supplying arms to the North Vietnamese. I don’t recall anyone e screaming about the a 3rd World War starting.
That being said, I still think we should stay the hell out of Ukraine and evenore, stay the hell away.
Trapper the Troll. Go away. Trapper with the sensitive Yapper, who don’t want us to call these people names.
You have been snorting too much of the Corporatist medias product… It will rot your ability to be free thinking person.
This has nothing to do with petty provocations, if you do believe this to be the case, you really are trailing very very far behind.
I’m saying this assuming you are honestly uninformed individual, and not a WEF bootlicker
Where does the Donbass situation and the illegal coup come into this equation? Was consent given to overthrow a duly elected government, that was already on it’s way out in 2014, in Ukraine?
That’s revisionist history. How about the Uke army and specifically the Azov battalion shelling the Donbas region for 8 years. How about Ukrainian atrocities against their own civilians, men, women and children who happen to also be ethnic Russians. No, there are no choir boys here.
Worst part: The Biden Administration and their Congressional UniParty accomplices are GUILTY of WAR CRIMES for aiding, resourcing and extolling Ukrainian Nazi War Criminals who are torturing and shooting Russian Prisoners of War.
I’m wondering how long the EU and NATO will remain relevant and unified. Already the EU passage of the “Rule of Law” is putting Poland and Hungary on the defensive. This war is revealing a division in NATO between those countries which have to rely on Putin for petroleum, food, and fertilizer and the US which doesn’t have to rely on Russia. That makes for different priorities.
None of them have a priority in seeking the will of the people, but then they didn’t as far as Covid and vaccines were concerned. It was only their own priorities which were important and everything they did was for their own power, rather than health.
I just watched 10 minutes of the Oscars where the host was making a big joke of the Covid protocols. From the very people who pushed them HARD. I felt some white hot rage and walked away. LA school districts are still masking children. I hate these people
Agree. Like an aging aircraft, NATO carries many hidden stress fractures. It would not hold up to serious turbulence.
Primarily, it must be understood that the content of Hunter’s laptop is the written proof of what originated in Ukraine in 2005 with Obama and Richard Lugar, facilitated by Soros, and paid for by DOD. It is the keystone for everything, and everyone involved, for 17 years.
Senate SSCI knew. Gang of 8 knew. While it was being done, and from forensic images of the laptop, since.
They must keep this going, or it’s the end of all of them.
It was such a big deal, and gov’t so wrapped in it from Ukraine to Wuhan, it’s unlikely any elected official since 2005 does not know, or participated, or looked away and said nothing. Media writ large is culpable as well.
The treaty violations against bioweapon development alone are sufficient for the complete asset seizure of everyone involved.
They have to stick with this, or it’s over. THIS is the Big Ugly we’ve been waiting for.
That is exactly right.
They all knew.
IMO Biden is the perfect choice for this time because he is the only one who is absolutely unflappable, he doesn’t give two messy diapers what anyone thinks, and his family is tied to this. No one survives if it doesn’t end as planned.
I’m waiting like crazy for someone, somewhere to mention it out loud.
All I hear are crickets.
Sorry for the off topic remark (is it really off topic, though?) but what business do all these women have discussing military stuff? Looks like a lot of NATO countries have female (using the term loosely) defense ministers etc. In that picture of them Sundance once posted they looked dumb, ridiculous and twice as ugly. Pure affirmative action bullshit and a recipe for disaster, in my opinion.
Biden said, “women and men” in our armed forces. As if it’s mostly ladies who fight the wars or have any input in the military strategy on a battlefield. Not saying that woke generals are much better but still… you know what I mean. Hopefully.
/rant
Would it be different if those news commenters were all men who never served in the military?
You call CNN news?
No, the men who never served as commanding officers during wartime have no business pretending to be experts on TV either.
Anyone invited to provide their expert opinion must be an expert in his/her field, so a political appointee paid to supervise transgender interns and custodial staff, promote manufactured narratives and read the script are not experts and their commentary is worthless. Honestly, when was the last time we heard any woman saying anything worthwhile re: military strategy. Which reminds me of Benghazi…
Operation Zero Footprint in Benghazi was created by a woman and one man. Hillary Clinton and Leon Pannetta. A disastrous plan, funded by a gang of 8 bipartisan Congress.
Funny that you don’t mention how ugly the men are. Mysogynysts like you always out yourselves. It makes your remarks puerile and intolerable. Who can take anything you say seriously?
You can criticize someone without reference to their looks, you know. Beauty is only skin deep.
Soccer mom audience.
Isaiah 3:12 – As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths
Glenn Greenwald nails it here as he describes what Sundance is saying. https://greenwald.substack.com/p/bidens-reckless-words-underscore
Yes, we the people have been irrelevant for a long time.
Back during the lead up to the war on Iraq, I lived in DC and a friend of mine was married to a guy at the State Dept. Long before they voted for the war, she said it had already been decided.
So, the votes are just an illusion to make it look like we had a say in it.
We live under a two-party dictatorship that has contempt for the American people.
Two wings of the same bird, the Uniparty traitors continue to push for war with Russia Russia Russia.
Tough talking Joe wasn’t tough enough to debate Putin a year ago.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/putin-challenges-biden-to-chat-with-him-in-a-live-conversation
I have spent a lot of time inside the beltway in my career and I continue to be amazed at the stupidity and naïveté of these idiots like this smith person who represent our country.
‘Full stop.’
What on earth is this supposed to mean. I have heard it used before in lame efforts for effect. If is similar I suppose to ‘period end of sentence.’
I find it cringeworthy and representing teenage level vocabulary and mindset; yet the ranks of senior levels of government are populated by abject morons with this degree of stupidity.
It is leftism feminism and diversity on steroids, and the quality of these people has gone south in a very short period of time.
Throw em in the freezer and call em frosted flakes.
Great post you said everything I wanted to say.
The peasants have been irrelevant for decades. Even more so under a stolen election which is really a coup.
..A TREASONOUS coup to be precise. Now, just who are all those TRAITORS who sold out the USA to a New World Order? Name them, try them and then hang them all ‘til they’re dead because TREASON.
I see a long line of gallows erected on Pennsylvania Avenue…
If voting could change things, they would have made it illegal.
“There has not been a single political or U.S. national leader who has demanded a representative debate on the issue of providing increasingly escalating weapons into a nation in order to trigger a proxy war against Russia.”
However there is a populist running for office that is, hopefully he will prevail against the current establishment Republican incumbent.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/03/16/joe_kent_our_pro-war_elected_officials_must_explain_the_ramifications_of_getting_involved_in_ukraine.html
He is a great man in the making. Brave and trustworthy, IMO.
At this point in time, a nuclear war with Russia/China may be the only way to take out the trash running this country.
…and everyone else as well!
Any politician who would raise questions counter to the war party would be labelled a traitor and “part of the Putin wing”. The war propaganda has been so effective that it has stifled any debate. They have even stifled Rand Paul. The only thing I have heard Paul say is that the money being given to Ukraine should be repaid because Ukraine is corrupt. Of course Paul knows hell will freeze over before the American taxpayers get paid back by Ukraine but that is all the he has. Pathetic.
Paul is just another fake.
“Ongoing effort to supply Ukraine with more weapons from the West.”
Translation: Money laundering. Zelensky will sell them on the black market. 10% for the big guy.
That’s no joke.
Thanks SD for sharing this one like so many others. Since I refuse TV, your ventures into that territory really highlight and validate WHY I continue to refuse. TV is made of imbeciles for imbeciles.
I’d like to think the polls positing Americans are in favor of further military action in Ukraine are false. But I did just see a flag waving high “F… Putin” with the yellow and blue.
Modern day warfare should be a surgical and against opposing government bodies if a peaceful resolution can’t be achieved. They can geolocate each other and have at it.
Harming innocents with sanctions and destruction of life and property is antiquated and pure evil.
Why should the people suffer for the corruption and poor governance of the elite?
Not our circus🤡.
Learn to code MIC.
That Dana Bash slays me, always that same stupid bassett hound look on her face. So deadpan.
Wow she sounds intelligent , modestly informed by some half wit wanna be think tank . GOT IT : SHE’s FULL OF SHIT !
If the Russian military wanted to roll over Ukraine it would have been over in a week !
Should the Russians pull the full attack to the west where old code name Lariat Advance without a full bore counter attack by NATO and everything the US can supply NATO troops would be on the beach’s of France in about 72 hours without unless tactical nukes were cut loose !
Somebody needs to let these leftist asswipes know this is not a game where their phony indignation will account for anything !
Yes the refugees and the injured and killed Ukrainians is a tragedy that could have been totally prevented !
Our state department going back years has a great deal of blood on their foolish meddling hands as does our CIA THE FOUNDERS OF THIS FEAST !
Forget Me Not
In the 75 years I’ve been alive, I have never seen Congress, who has the exclusive right to declare war, to do so. Cowards.
And here we are, full-blown dictatorship. And not a peep, even from Rand Paul.
Disgusting.
What if the global mafia tyrants are fulfilling their participation in the ‘great Reset into slavery’ because
they are being promised their slice of the USA? Russia wants Alaska, CCP wants NY and California. Maybe they already have portions of the country. Too far fetched? Too cynical?
Maybe far-fetched and/or cynical two years ago, but not anymore.
Where’s Rand?
It is almost as if the last election was stolen and as they know the next one and the next one and the next one …. will be as well that they can just do as they please.
And let’s face it they can do just as they please because 200million armed Americans sit there cuddling their guns at night endlessly complaining online about the stolen election and doing nothing about it just as DC knew they would.
Trump asked Americans to come to DC to support him and less than a million bothered to turn up. That was all the encouragement the deep state needed to do whatever they want. Now if 20 million had turned up with their prepper packs of food to last them months to take their country back we wouldn’t be in this position.
Next time the flawed Trump calls you to DC get off your lazy backside and go. But DC knows you won’t and if you ever did Biden has already threatened you with your own jet fighters.
And let’s face it Trump led patriots up the garden path the last time and left them to rot in prison, many of them to this very day so who would be mug enough to listen to him twice? And DC knows that too.
As you can see from the above only God can sort this out and given the murder and mayhem the US has committed around the planet for the last 130 years I have my doubts about him wanting to bother sorting the US out only for them to overthrow the next tiny democracy that dares say no to Zuckerberg or Musk or Hunter Biden. The US constitution forbids interference in the affairs of other countries and those in power, including “constitutionalists”, have ignored that for far too long. If God does save the US then get out of every overseas base, close down every US consulate, close down ALL weapons labs, arrest all those at home and abroad who took part in this criminality with you and start living up to your God given constitution for once in your sorry lives.
The Republicans in Congress are as crazy as Brandon without dementia as an excuse. I am not sure what good a debate would be.
We have not had a declaration of war since WWII.
I hate “our” congress. I hate D.C.
Much like Canada, America has become a post national country.
Hillary supported the Iraq War, Obama opposed it.
It was a big reason why, in 2008, Obama zoomed past her to get the Presidential nomination.
The left wing of the Democrat Party genuinely opposed the war. Hillary had long ago sold her soul to the War Party, like Lizard Liz.
Now? It is not at all clear that any socialist/crypto-communist rump group of leftists still lurks within the Democrat Party. Anarchism has seized their tiny imaginations, and after the fall of America they so crave, what comes next? Some powerful force will have to restore order. Many would call it fascism. And that’s the abyss we are careening into.
Sundance aptly calls Biden the muttering nutter. The longer Biden sits on his commode, the more we understand why the Leftists selected him.
No need for national debate when you claim 81 million votes for your mandate to govern, yea?
Let’s Go Brandon
This is what happens when government has no accountability to the people they serve in a country that has fixed elections and a puppet head of state.
There is about 30% of US aligned radical left
That is where Brandon gets his support
When are some of the weapons we left behind in Afghanistan gonna start showing up in Ukraine?
None of the people of the other nations in NATO are being asked either. It’s a feature of NATO and why they are using NATO. NATO is extra-national, it answers to no nation, hence we the people of the NnATO countries are not consulted. It’s a feature of these globull organizations.
Well of course the Deep State Harlot, a.k.a. Columbia’s federal district is supplying their fellow fascist, new-nazis regime in the Ukraine. They did the same thing in the 1930s and 1940s with the National Socialists who occupied Germany until it was destroyed. Just like they had funded and backed the Soviet Socialists Trotsky, Lenin, and Stalin to begin occupying Russia from 1917 until 1991. When your agenda requires the implementation of the Hegelian Dialectic then you need to create the next enemy to further that agenda. Just as one of their own operatives said . . .
“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” – Vladimir Lenin (1870-1924)
The National Socialists would’ve been extinguished immediately if it hadn’t begun the war by dividing Poland with its partner in crime through the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact signed one week before the invasion of Poland on 1 Sept., 1939. But Hitler always had the aid and support of American corporatist interests in Germany, and some of that funding operation was by none other then Prescott Bush’s Union Banking Corporation, the grand daddy of two U.S. President’s who were instrumental in carrying out the formation of the same world order their previous associates had attempted in the 1930s-40s.
“What would have happened if millions of American and British people, struggling with coupons and lines at the gas stations, had learned that in 1942 Standard Oil of New Jersey managers shipped the enemy’s fuel through neutral Switzerland and that the enemy was using Allied fuel?” – “NAZI NEXUS – America’s Corporate Connections to Hitler’s Holocaust By Edwin Black – Published by Dialog Press June 20, 2017 ISBN-10 : 0914153099 – ISBN-13 : 978-0914153092
“. . . our fifth objective: a “New World Order” can emerge: a new era . . . ” – George Herbert Walker Bush’s address before a Joint Session of the Congress on the Persian Gulf Crisis and the Federal Budget Deficit given on September 11, 1990
So then hey, TRUST THE PLAN. It is, after all, the same one they’ve been advancing for the last 100 years.
“Suppose the public had discovered that the Chase Bank in Nazi-occupied Paris after Pearl Harbor was doing millions of dollars’ worth of business with the enemy with the full knowledge of the head office in Manhattan; or that Ford trucks were being built for the German occupation troops in France with authorization from Dearborn, Michigan? Or that Colonel Sosthenes Behn, the head of the international American telephone conglomerate ITT, flew from New York to Madrid to Berne during the war to help improve Hitler’s communications systems and improve the robot bombs that devastated London as well as IBMs designed Hollerith card punch computer that streamlined the rounding up of Jews and other enemies of the state? Aren’t they in fact doing the very same thing today?” – “NAZI NEXUS – America’s Corporate Connections to Hitler’s Holocaust By Edwin Black – Published by Dialog Press June 20, 2017 ISBN-10 : 0914153099 – ISBN-13 : 978-0914153092
Of primary significance is the fact that the video has “CNN” on it. Therefore it is a lie, misinformation, or propaganda.
Russia, please unload everything you have on the swamp…