Everything about a grand jury is supposed to be kept secret to protect the innocent (5th Amendment issue). However, if the motives of the prosecutor are political, they want to exploit Lawfare by leaking information to media. This is the process Nancy Pelosi called “the wrap-up smear“, only this time it is being coordinated with Lawfare.
Create a fraudulent accusation; then leak (or merchandise) the accusation to media; then “merchandise” the media report of the leak as evidence to support the fraudulent accusation. This is precisely what Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance is doing with a leaked story about his grand jury against President Trump. You can tell this is the political motive because grand jury secrecy is dismissed in favor of the media leak.
If the motive wasn’t political, the DA wouldn’t need the leak.
NEW YORK — Manhattan’s district attorney has convened the grand jury that is expected to decide whether to indict former president Donald Trump, other executives at his company or the business itself should prosecutors present the panel with criminal charges, according to two people familiar with the development.
The panel was convened recently and will sit three days a week for six months. It is likely to hear several matters — not just the Trump case — during the duration of its term, which is longer than a traditional New York state grand-jury assignment, these people said. Like others, they spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. Generally, special grand juries such as this one are convened to participate in long-term matters rather than to hear evidence of crimes charged routinely.
The move indicates that District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr.’s investigation of the former president and his business has reached an advanced stage after more than two years. (read more)
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Vances father was responsible for putting khomenie in power
that is what I came here to say – but you said it!
Checking out the Wikipedia page on Cyrus Vance Senior, I am reminded that he was also in the middle of the Pueblo hostage crisis! THEN later on he helps bring about the IRAN hostage crisis, along with Jimmy Carter of course and that brilliant Zbignew Brzezinski who between the three of them really screwed up that situation.
Jimmy gave him a medal though.
Also, Zbignew Brzenzinski screwed up and we got Mika.
The condom he used must have been made in China.
So Democrat Party luv Iran long time? Not surprising…
Is that Ted koppel ?
Cyrus still taking direction from Andrew snyderman and the Fan Belt Inspectors?
I think they will be looking at bringing charges against the entire family
i think they have squat. if they had something they wouldn’t have leaked. and after 4 years of russia collusion hoax, the country is on to them .
A Grand Jury is unpredictable and dangerous when led around the nose by a dirty prosecutor.
You can always tell Vance and the GU FU! and if they don’t like it tell them to FO.
I find it shocking Vance is still alive.
It’s his son. Cyrus Vance Sr worked for Carter.
and in this case black lives matter, antifa, radical islamic people, and anti Trump socialists, facists, communist all democrats!!
While new york city literally burns to the ground they go after Mr. Trump while this this incompetent vance and white hating racist attorney general james as well as a dirty doj, where cardinal comey’s daughter, last reported working, and the likes of preet bahara a dirty piece of corrupt filth fo character are constantly caught up in lies!!
Like every other dem and rino backstabbing and tratorious failed assault this too will also crash and burn!!
May his limo be caught in a BLM protest march, and he’s taught the Bengazi 2 step.
If people listened to how the nickel chasing shysters picked the jury in the Floyd trial you are exactly correct. The whole judicial system is as corrupt as the Soviet Union and communist China and it’s beyond a banana republic in this country unless you are a crook.
They’re a rubber stamp for prosecutors as the defendant isn’t present. The Trial Court is a different story, or should be.
Didn’t they already have 500 Search Warrants against Trump & came up empty
They don’t need squat – there is nothing legitimate going on here – it’s a railroad job pure and simple, with only the bare pretense of going through proper channels.
They’ll put him and anyone they can in prison. This is the modern mastication of fascism. They’ve seized power and they’re exploiting it to the fullest.
Nothing has to be real – they just say it was – and their puppet press will back it up.
I hope Trump is ready, but I have my doubts – they were able to put him out of office illegitimately – I see a strong possibility they’ll put him in prison too.
I pray for the future, but I think this is just the beginning.
Hatred only feeds on hatred, and that’s what powers these people.
I’ve been seeing this coming for so long, and I still can’t believe it.
if they didn’t need squat trump would have been nailed 4 years ago.
Trump was in power then. Their own hubris tripped them up, otherwise, we’ed have been where we are now, four years ago. Now they have to finish destroying him first.
To paraphrase a certain talk-show host, I hope they fail.
the GOAT
and there is a sh-t storm headed the democrats way too.
There’s resistance, sure, but look how easily so many of the population freely gave up all their rights and freedoms – out of fear – automatically presuming the people telling them the horror stories were presumptively the good guys – which is a product of predetermined bigotry and hate, which fascists have always played so well.
Now they have absolute control of the message, and have educated a whole generation in these messages – which is a constant litany of hate and then justification and rationalization of that hate – as a virtual signal, no less.
We’re in a very bad place right now – Trump is taking the slings and arrows for the rest of us, right now, but if they get him, we’re next. Look what they’ve been willing to do already.
I hope at least he becomes a rallying cry.
yep, they’re holding political prisoners in prison with no bail, from Jan.6….Just a practice run.
Yes. There is no more “justice” this is raw power and they will use it. They will get a charge, conviction and prison time for Trump and the family. Bank it.
bull.
Shit.
Just the opposite that loser Bill Barr!
For ever action there is an equal reaction means soon or later we get our turn.
PDJT has been fighting and beating these political, Mob, and Union leadership assholes his entire life.
C’mon he built an Empire in NYC for heavens sake.
They won’t touch him. The only reason they had him over a barrel as Pres is the threat was from the inside.
He had to trust the politicians he assumed were on his side.
I can unequivocally and with confidence state he will NOT make that mistake again.
It’s Manhattan and you’ll have a Ghetto/ Bolshevik grand jury of Trump haters just like the police officers in the George Floyd suicide case.
Pay someone to lie and make up crimes is the way this will proceed
Just like the former solicitor general under Obama paid Dr. Toobin to lie in George Floyd prosecution.
Speaking of a opportunist,
“I’ve been seeing this coming for so long, and I still can’t believe it.”
Maybe. But it worked against Gen Flynn.
They will manufacture the crime.
I ll go further than Sundance. The leak means they have no case to prosecute. They did the same with Russia collusion and both impeachments. The grand jury provides them some cover but in the end they must have a case.
And they don’t, and they never will. Remember: Trump is the best President this country has ever had, and he is always 5 steps ahead of these losers. Wait and watch – the BEST is yet to come!
That was my impression too; if not his children, his wife probably something drummed up from her businesses before the famous escalator ride.
They will load the jury pool with activists so that any jury selected from the pool will be tainted. Just like they did with Roger Stone’s trial.
the Vance family?
I would just love to see all these people who have already been so damaging to our country – some for generations in their pursuit of “legacy” – go down the drain in a very public manner –
for example, WHAT has the Dingell Royalty accomplished for Detroit? The Dingell years correspond profoundly with the despair of a once-great and productive city –
or the Bush Family, from Prescott Bush forward – with Prescott Bush being against going to war against Hitler – then all that George H. W. Bush did to destroy America – from all his pro-CCP actions to NAFTA –
also, Bill Gates – and all his “humanitarianism” being shown to be a giant crock!
And RINOs focus on trampling the Trump wing instead. If Trump ever goes to jail because Repubs allowed AG offices to publicly announce and go on targeted fishing trips to prosecute political opponents, that’s the end of the line for the GOP. There will be a new, violence-ready party to replace it.
This is New York State not the DOJ. I doubt DeSantis would allow extradition anyway. In fact, I could see DeSantis using his power in FL to push for fabricated criminal probes on any NY DA who ever visited Florida. Would be a shame if Word got out that Vance solicited minors on his last FL vacay…
“solicited” – (ab)used seems more likely.
You can bet DeepState always has a file with pictures on its minions.
But this Vance pr*ck and the DNCCP will settle for a felony conviction, regardless of prison time, since they are merely trying to make it illegal for him to run for President again.
Which accusation is this in relation to. Inflating or lowballing property values on statements that accountants and lawyers review and prepare?
Payment of school tuition for grandkids, which is a very common practice of the wealthy.
Well, if it is inflating property values for the purpose of getting a loan, is absurd. The Lender determines the value by a certified appraiser, not the borrower. I was a mortgage broker and a real estate broker for years. They are gasping for straws.
….especially when the mortgage loans are paid in full by the borrower!
Vance and the Affirmative Action State AG don’t know that it’s the New York City tax department that sets property values for ad valorum taxes NOT the property owner??? Amazing!
Don’t worry, the Manhattan DA will leak that once he gets the grand jury to rubber stamp it.
I wonder if going after Trump opens the door for future matters with other former Presidents…
I think the evidence has shown us that there is zero interest in that effort among the current occupants of every agency head / Director of every LEA in the federal government. They’re all of one mindset – protect the Establishment Swamp!
Step 1 if Trump or DeSantis overcomes election fraud in 2024: mass firings of political appointees, SES, and General Officers. They’re going to have to gut the bureaucracy in a way that is so brutal it causes mass resignations at lower levels.
That’d be wonderful and have a tremendous healing affect but I have read that it’s quite difficult to fire SES officials in the federal government. If that’s a myth I’d definitely appreciate knowing the real facts about that process.
Obozo or any DemonRAT wouldn’t have any problem purging the government of conservatives…heck it appears they’ve already accomplished that. But purging the communists *seems* almost impossible now because of the length, breadth and depth of their infiltration.
Hell (and GITMO) ain’t half-full. Let’s go for the gold.
These jackals will never stop
Which is why they must be taken out.
The idea that someone like Trump got elected and took them on terrifies them. They know sooner or later some of them will see their careers destroyed or go to prison. This is mafia tactics..this will happen to you if you try to do what Trumo tried. Time has become their enemy. The true transformative president is Trump. God help them if hes re elected.
Yes. The country is ruled by a self appointed mafia that no longer makes any pretense at following a rule of law. They are glorying in their new installed dictatorship.
I’m thinking that this f*ck just overshot his wad.
Yes, this proves they are frantic beyond belief. Trump has them all and they know it. It is a frantic desperation of diversion. I agree with you he has overshot his wad. Look what has happened to other attorneys who have overshot their wad in regard to Trump.
I would like to know if there are any flies on the wall who have picked up any word
on Governor Cuomo urging Mr. Vance to DO something –
ANYTHING!
I agree usually the leaks mean that they have nothing.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and state that HRC is behind all these leaks against Trump.
“Show me the man, and I’ll show you the crime.” – Lavrentiy Beria
It has always been the case that when a President leaves office, he is no longer relevant, never a threat. That’s not enough in Trump’s case. They need to destroy this man. As long as he’s around, they know they’re caught. It may even be different if he was predictable but because of how he operates, you couldn’t pound a pin through their asshole with a hammer.
They’re done, they know it. This is fun.
Because they know there is a very, very, very, good chance he is coming back AND HE WILL WIN in 2024.
“…you couldn’t pound a pin through their asshole with a hammer.”
? ? ??
Let’s pray and keep your powder dry! “All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.” George Orwell.
Isn’t this already grounds for dismissal down the road already? Leaking this and violating someone’s rights?
“there are leaks and then . . . there are runs.”
or
“there are the leaks and then there are the runs”
and I would say that – looking at the photo of Cyrus Vance, Jr. – that he has a bad case of leaks AND runs –
the guy looks so hollow
You think you still have rights? Bless your heart. /sarc
So who gets the leaks this time?
FBI=NY Times.
CIA=WaPo Leak.
Same old process that we’ve seen for years now.
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Pretty good article on American Thinker from three days ago regarding this FARCE that New York is trying to pull:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/05/can_new_york_arrest_donald_trump.html
Excellent article as long as the author is reliable. I do not know Jonathon Moseley from Adam so I must rely on other’s experience and research.
I have heard Jonathan address legal issues on a previous occasion. I cant recall what and where. Maybe muh Russia. My impression of him was that he knows whereof he speaks and he is on the up and up. My favorite take away:
“If Trump voters see him being hauled off in handcuffs, would the voters fall back in love with Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, and John Kasich?”
Considering I was never in love with any of the aforementioned falling back in love is entirely out of the question.
This is the face of third-world, corrupt dictatorships: win the election by fraud, and criminally prosecute the vanquished opponent to seal power. Chile, Ukraine, Malaysia, Venezuela, now United States.
Thank you, Scot, for that very pertinent point! It sheds important light on the deteriorating nature of our predicament which is following, regrettably, a well-known progression toward totalitarian chaos.
I know, we really need a 50 year moratorium on immigration in this Country.
How about stopping the invasion too?
I posted this above, but it seems very appropriate to your post. “All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.” George Orwell.
His dad was a pos. As Bocephus would say…”It’s a family tradition”
In the end another nothing burger, but the goal to demonize Trump will be accomplished.
This is what fascist banana republik dictatorships look like.
The left is pure evil. They will do everything in their power to destroy Trump and every last one of us who voted for him. They will keep trying to see if something finally sticks. If you take these “cancel culture” tactics to their logical conclusion, you have Stalin’s Russia, where he shot all political enemies, charged their families for the bullet, and then erased all records that they ever even existed. It starts with opposition on the right but concludes with the leftist trash eating their own. It’s astonishing to me that so many millions of Americans are too dim to comprehend what this “cancel culture” BS is doing to our country.
Really good piece of writing.
(It astonishes me how fast they got that dim, none of our parents were like that. Then the 1960’s came along and its selfish, vindictive baby-boomers)
This is much more than just The Left… in fact, probably more The Establishment than The Left.
Trump is an Existential Threat to The Establishment… while The Left is an Existential Threat to itself.
They have nothing on Trump. If he did anything illegal in the last 30 years the Dems and the GOP establishment would have found it and used it long ago. This just trying to create a false charge and another show trial that will go nowhere because there is no evidence of any wrongdoing. Bank on it.
The problem is they don’t NEED anything legitimate. They make it up as they go along, stack the courts, hand pick the judges, etc., etc., and although Sundance keeps saying this is “just political” (and it is), the end result is the same–an innocent person is imprisoned or hounded nonstop!
Whether it be the fake prosecutions (count them up so far), January 6th commission (they might be hurt by this and don’t realize it) or whatever, their primary aim always is to lower POTUS approval ratings.
Not happening. End of story. Watch the communofascists and GOPe splodey heads when he has the first rally.
There’s an ongoing shift in their rock hard narratives. Just notice the large number of leftist casualties in the last two weeks. They are going to try anything and everything to work their way out of the woodshed.
And, their best selling narrative is going belly up in a big way: https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/05/support-for-black-lives-matter-movement-collapses-among-whites-and-hispanics-drops-for-blacks/ .
We need a 3-strikes law against reporters. Third time you have to retract or correct a major premise of your story based on “people familiar with the matter” or “anonymous sources say” you get one year in jail. Second 3-peat you get 3 yrs, 3rd 3-peat and you get life.
I expect Trump to be arrested within the year.
NY can’t arrest him in FL. DOJ swung and missed.
The only way Trump gets arrested is if these state audits start turning up actionable fraud, at which point Biden will do what Trump refused to do: martial law, and the arrest of Democrat enemies of the State.
Trump was last involved in real estate full time about 2015. He couldn’t have participated in commercial lending while president. I am well versed in commercial lending and semi well versed in real estate. I don’t know what wouldn’t be out of statute by now. If there were a bad loan involved, we would have heard about it during 2016.
This, if true, and I doubt that it is, would have to be a wild accusation not related to commercial real estate, or a phony charge that will get thrown out eventually on statute of limitations. The rats would profit from this in that it would take well past 11/22 to clear Trump, probably past 11/24. Then, even after dismissal, they would declare guilt and claim he escaped on a technicality. Trump could well be charged, not granted a trial, and deemed guilty in the press.
These creatures are indescribably despicable. Ask Roger Stone and Mike Flynn.
There ought to be a law.
Mr. Vance should be prosecuted for political prosecution.
Along with half the FBI and DOJ for going after all these Trump supporters. Putting them in jail for months with no charges.
I just hate these people. They deserve no mercy………..ever.
“Go ahead, Manhattan officials … try it.”
I dare you. ?
Another well orchestrated diversionary side show brought under the orders of the globalist central planners. Cyrus is just following orders.
Is there a chance Guiliani’s son wins ny gov and pardons Trump?
Interesting point. Keep that man well protected.
Unlikely. Our state is being strangled by bad blue policies. The sheeple of NYS would elect a pumpkin for gov if run with a “D” next to their name.
Blah, blah, blah. This is political harassment.
The Trump organization does not use amateur accounting firms. This is simply an empty threat.
Vance also took payoffs to let Harvey Weinstein continue his Rape Spree.
Although, in fairness, he would have done it for free.
Letitia What’s-Her-Face will follow up with State charges of some flavor… Parking Tickets or whatever.
At best Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance Jr. ‘goofed up’ and allowed Epstein to ‘hang himself’ pretty quickly in prison.
We’re supposed to believe that Vance was apparently incapable of putting this high profile criminal in a safe cell.
One with functioning cameras, guards doing their jobs, and regular check-ins.
ESPECIALLY after Jeffrey Epstein had already been beaten up by a former cellmate.
So was the Epstein debacle caused by incompetence, or ill will?
You got it.
And Bill Barr was going to get to the bottom of what happened.
And then he didn’t.
Again.
Cyrus Vance, a name associated with democrap Deep State elites for generations.
Daddy was a Skull and Bones guy.
Trump and his companies were routinely audited by all the tax collectors, IRS, NY State, NYC, the county, etc.
As I understand, never a problem.
Trump is very likely the cleanest President we have ever had.
Maybe George Washington was cleaner, but he was not audited repeatedly so we don’t have that metric.
“the wrap-up smear“ ?
From what I gather from this is that this is the ,recipe for “fraudulent evidence ”
Leak
(Merchandise) it to Media.
The media report of the leak as evidence to
support the fraudulent accusation.,
So that’s how it’s done in a nutshell.
The Jan 6 commission is to stop any mass gatherings that will pop up in support of Trump and his childrens arrests during the fraudulent indictments,
During the fraud the FBI will shoot us down like dogs in the street ,
To fight them and the crooked SDNY we will use bad breath and harsh language, with ridicule.
I think we need a new plan.
Has anyone seen the movie”Gone With the Wind ?
Well in this movie Scarlet is under the bridge holding on to a horse and buggy in the pouring rain the enemy is riding fast above her , ..
If anyone needs me I’ll be under the wet bridge thinking up a new plan .
Just when you think these people couldn’t be more despicable!
Skirt the law and Constitution, and lie like there’s no tomorrow about political enemies, not esteemed colleagues.
Why do these people think they’re smart? They’re using old, lousy, worn-out late 20th century tactics that everybody knows, all they’re doing is highlighting themselves as complete scum-bags in front of a Nation of 400,000,000 people.
Pretty Bright Huh.
OK, it’s not like we don’t know what a stupid democrat’s going to do before he does it. Here’s a letter I’ve already sent to my State representative and senator, plus our elected judges. Copy it and send it to yours.
Dear Representative,
I’m writing to notify you that it is becoming very evident that we need laws protecting us from prosecutors that abuse their office for political purposes. This has been ignored and now is a brazen abuse of power in the most odious, obvious, and incorrigible sense.
Now this is what happens when you let people that have never been held accountable run wild. And it will not stop till this despicable double-standard is removed or at least adjusted. These people have been allowed to go completely above the law and now we have a real problem (and they have a problem too, they’re sick in the head).
You know the old Mosaic Law had it that if you falsely accused someone, then you paid the price of the crime that you were accusing them of. I fail to see why that doesn’t apply to prosecutors as well.
Very concerned citizen,
The depths of corruption of Vance, James, doj, etc. they is worse than most third world nations. All gov institutions are compromised. They have taken complete control, Russia and China are no more corrupt than USA.
”reached an advanced stage”
Like cancer?
The STASI would be proud.
This guy could look through a keyhole with both eyes!
Headline should be:
‘Manhattan DA invents reasons to give unnecessary work to friendly lawyers – using Taxpayer funds’
I wish I hadn’t listened to the video of Piglosi this late because it will cause me to have nightmares. Let me just say..”it” (I can’t even say “she” because there is no semblance of humanity to “it” at all) is a disgusting waste of skin and oxygen on this planet. I wish fervently for “it”to simply disappear.
I guess no one has watched the Godfather movies. They have to indict President Trump because they can’t let him back in power under any circumstances or all of their gooses are cooked and they know it.
You can blame the Supreme Court for allowing a rogue prosecutor like Cyrus Vance to go after President Trump like this.
Steal the election, shut down legitimate investigations (where’s Durham?), and plow forward with more witch hunts, etc.
Amazed at how long God lets people get away with evil. Years, decades, centuries.
If they’d wanted to accuse Donald Trump and/or the Trump Companies of a crime, they’ve had over twenty years to do that – while this man and his companies were doing more good for New York City and State than any other real estate developer had ever done.
A successful billionaire does not need to be a criminal. He becomes rich the old-fashioned way: “he earns it.”
A reminder of how the NYPD had Harvey Weinstein dead to rights on a sexual abuse charge, in 2015, but Cyrus Vance refused to prosecute.
The problem is that the media doesn’t have any credibility….at least not with honest law-abiding people.
Corrupt and criminal executive. Corrupt judiciary. Corrupt and tyrannical legislature. Doesn’t leave a whole of room for a fix of the problem.
“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, July 4, 1776.
Vance’s steps are virtually identical to those used to create, then advance, then perpetuate the Muh Russia Collusion hoax. The Dem playbook is simple, straightforward, and rarely subject to change.