House Intelligence Committee ranking member Devin Nunes discusses the conduct of the Weissmann/Mueller investigation and their blatant destruction of iPhone content to cover their tracks. Within the interview Nunes hits on a very key aspect that doesn’t get enough attention when he says of congress “we don’t have handcuffs or guns.”
This was/is a frequent point made repeatedly in my own contact with House and Senate investigators. All of the information and evidence gathered doesn’t amount to anything if the DOJ and FBI leadership just simply refuse to do anything about it; which leads to the issue with AG Barr saying he will not accept any information from within a political silo.
If, due to his concerns over political optics, the United States Attorney General will not accept, or act upon, any information or evidence from congress;… well, then what exactly is the purpose of a congressional investigation? Information without action is antithetical to its purpose. Democrats use information/evidence from anyone (see Vindman and Adam Schiff), but Republicans do not (see Senator Graham). It is infuriating.
I have my issues with congressional investigations and you’re absolutely correct that investigations which ultimately lead to nothing are a waste of time and resources. That said, the AG is in a tough position. If he accepts information from investigations done when the right is in charge, it would similarly have to accept information from the left when they’re in charge. While that’s a perfectly acceptable position, how do you not come across as looking political if you accept and prosecute information from one side but not the other? It’s an incredibly difficult position to be placed in. That’s why I think Barr chose the path he did and why what you did is fantastic. You’re not a “partisan” investigator.
I mean… who cares? The Democrats are the only ones truly weaponizing institutions illegally. This is the same nonsense as the filibuster. The Democrats don’t care what the Republicans do they will always justify any means to reach their goal.
Mike;
The Uniparty truly weoponised institutions illegally; the Congressional Republicon Leadership were IN on the mueller coup attempt, FROM THE PLANNING STAGES.
Thats what makes this excuse so infuriatingly lame. Obama admin carried it out, yes. But it could NEVER have got beyond preliminary planning stages, without Republicon buy in.
So, you use any excuse to get Flynn out of the Trump admin, FIRST. (Before he discovers what they were doing with the political exploiting of the NSA database.
Then appoint a Special Council, any excuse will do.
But HOW do you get to IMPEACHMENT, with a Republican House, where Impeachment originates?
Democrats could NOT guarantee, in 2015 when they were PLANNING this, that the House would flip, in 2018.
But the Republicons could, and they are the ONLY ones that could.
Uniparty, NOT Democrats.
Uniparty? Maybe Globalist vs Nationalist.
Dems hold together for the purpose of gaining power and Repubs break to the sides of Globalist and Nationalist. To be more exact, who are the “Republicans”? The GOPe or the Registered Republican Voters? We have willingly elected GOP Politicians that hold to a Globalist ideology and their incumbency is very difficult to break. In the general election do we vote for a Dem? don’t vote? or hold our nose?
In Colorado, we even had the GOPe Executive Committee unanimously vote to eliminate our Primary/Straw Poll because a statewide vote would require all National Delegates to be bound to the state vote (Registered Republican Voters). The abuse by the GOPe goes well beyond Washington.
One last example, remember a movement at the National Convention to “vote your conscience”? For Delegates to ignore their states voters and vote for anyone not Trump.
Ignore The Voters was actually a serious question. It did happen in Colorado!
On the up side! Trump broke the traditional Democrat coalition also. Blue-Collar workers understood what Globalism did to manufacturing. Thus, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin were no longer Dark Blue. And this year Minnesota is added to the list due to Iron Ore mining for steel production. Joe Biden was “Lunch-box Joe”, but many of those that actually carry a lunch-box (blue-collar workers) have switched to Trump.
IMHO, we have evolved from Repubs & Dems to Globalist & Nationalist, but have not changed the names of the parties. For those that don’t follow politics, they keep marking the same square as before [D] or [R].
Great post, especially the last paragraph. So true. I didn’t follow politics too much before retirement. No time. And with the absentee media now?
Yes, it is “Globalists”, but thats NOT the complete name;
Its Global Conmunists; Mitch, Paul and the Corporate CEO’s breaking their ankles, racing to contribute to BLM,…are just as much Conmunists as Nanzi and AOC.
And yes, WE are Economic Nationalist/Populists, and finally we have the beginnings of a TWO party system, again thank GOD!
Conmunists CAN’T compete, whether in the marketplace of goods and services, or the “marketplace of ideas”, they can NOT compete Capitalism.
They can not compete, so the MUST cheat. In trade they use dumping, in politics they subvert the other party, so their is the ILLUSION of a two party system.
They CHEAT.
No, not Uniparty, but corrupt RINO’s. Ryan and Co. In 2018, 30 of them desided not to run re-election, essentially giving house to dems. House runs Impeachments. That was their play.
Yes, and back in 2015, when the planning was going on,….
The Insurance plan makes NO sense, without an absolute assurance, that SHOULD it become neccesary to implement it, that the House will flip to Dems, so they can initiate the Impeachment.
And, the whole plan was to get PDJT to fire Mueller, cause that would give McConnell his excuse, to order his caucus to SAY they would vote to convict, in order to force PDJT to resign “for good of party and country”. Watergate 2.0.
And only Ryan could guarantee in 2015, that House would flip in 2018.
And, controlling confirmations, only Mitch could insure only nuetered, corrupted A.G.’s would get confirmed.
Get to the “bottom” of the coup?
HAH, all trails lead directly to Congressional Republicon Leadership; planned it, and countenanced it, from day one.
Why rationalize Barrs position? His position is indefensible. He’s running a highly partisan Department of Justice. Unfortunately it’s highly partisan in favor of the Democrats, and completely untethered from the rule of law. He’s a foolish old man who has no idea how to control that institution, or has no desire to control that institution. And the country is not well served by having a fool in that position. Or a con man. Take your pick. Destruction of evidence is not a complicated case. Destruction of evidence is not a partisan case. It’s practically a slam dunk. Want to rethink your position?
100% agree…the source of the information is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is the information factual. It doesn’t matter where Sundance is politically, what matters is he has completely presented them everything in a report. I initially had high hopes for Barr, I now despise him and the way he is tip toeing around the treason that was done to this President and to the country. I originally thought that multiple indictments were going to be handed down and Barr and/or Durham would lay out what was done to the President in prime time address to the nation. Its un-believeable that we are going into an election after all this time and the public doesn’t know how evil and corrupt the Obama administration was….not providing the public that information is partisan and political.
I was suspicious of Barr from the beginning because of the Ruby Ridge coverup. I haven’t seen anything to make me change my mind.
Oh but, we got Clinesmith! /sarc I guess Durham had a good vacation in Italy. I wonder if he took his wife/sarc. Definitely a travesty of Justice. They should both donate their salaries to Charity.
Dear Mr Barr:
“silo” my a$$
Sincerely
nimrodman, my dupe or guzica, same thing. Mr. Barr odjebi!
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You are correct that the facts should dictate when and if the OJ prosecutes a swamp dweller, in or out of the DOJ. It may the case that Barr is hiding behind the fact that the odds are against him winning a guilty verdict against a Democrat in Washington DC. Prosecutors are only supposed to take a case if they have sufficient evidence to attain a conviction. In these cases there clearly is enough evidence to attain a conviction but the jury pool is very biased in favor of the defense – when it is a democrat defendant. I think Barr is hiding behind that.
I respectfully disagree on one other point that some commenters on this site (and maybe Sundance) have made about Barr’s motivation. I don’t think he is trying to save face for the institution. He would have to be an idiot to think what he has done so far and the blatant malfeasance he has allowed (e.g. the wiped phones, failure to provide Brady material to Flynn, the opposition to Judicial Watch’s FOIA requests, Epstein’s “suicide”, etc) is somehow salvaging respect for the FBI. He is just making it worse. Barr is covering for his cronies. I think he sincerely understands and has a problem with what happened in 2016 with the Page FISA and subsequent SC investigation. However, he is now privy to all the corruption, he has thrown up his hands and decided that he isn’t going to move forward with prosecutions because he would have to prosecute the powers that be in DC and he doesn’t want to do that. He could’t care less abut justice. It is more a desire to protect Mueller, Comey, etc. individually than to protect the institution.
Why pray tell did Fred Flinstone Barr come out of private practice, ready for retirement then, to do what? I see save his buddies and institutions. A bunch of Banditos govna they all are. God Bless PDJT.
exactly…there is no possible wiggle room when it comes to destruction of evidence
there was an ongoing investigation. they destroyed evidence pertaining to the investigation..it does not matter whether the evidence was from the prosecution or defense side..it is obstruction of justice
by not prosecuting this, Barr will prove that he is a sham
What became of Nunez 8 ? Referrals to the DOJ?
TKA: The Left did, precisely, that! Republicans get creamed every time because the other side plays to destroy, while Republicans fret over appearances.
Barr’s evidence “rule” is majorly flawed in that you can still be unbiased and non-partisan with any legitimate evidence regardless of it’s origin as long as it is discovered legally. Change my mind.
Why are there Congressional Referrals? These people are criminals.
Well, as to the scrubbed clean cellphones, all is not lost, just ask the NSA for copies!
“”The NSA used new powers in the wake of the September 11 terror attacks — known as Section 215 for its place in the law books — to scoop up billions of phone records every year by compelling U.S. phone giants to turn over daily call logs, which the agency uses to make connections between targets of interest.””
yeah, but who’s gonna pull the records?
( … … … [crickets] … … … [crickets] … … … [crickets] … … …)
AT&T have no problem revealing call records. Especially if they’re Trump’s!
Mr. Barr, It’s really quite simple. If it’s illegal, prosecute.
With my credit union, if I incorrectly enter my pin THREE times, it locks my account from any activity, until I call them, identify myself and have them unlock my acct.
But, the account is still there, the $ is still there, it doesn’t DISAPPEAR,…
KnowWhatI’mSayin,…?
Barr saying he will not accept evidence from the Political silo, is like Lindsey Graham saying he wouldn’t conduct ANY hearings until Durham completes his Criminal Investigation; its an excuse, and a lame ass one, at that.
Its NOT the reason; the reason is because he wasn’t brought in to “get to the bottom of it” he was brought in to clean up the mess, delay and obsfuscate, “investigate to exhonerate” in order to protect CONGRESS,….because CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP is at the “bottom” or actually TOP of it.
Barr isn’t protecting the institutions, he is destroying them, in order to protect another institution; CONGRESS.
DON’T fall for it, like the posts that say “Barr is in a tough spot”; you know what coming out of retirement, in order to serve as A.G., and even writting an op-ed as a job application to SERVE as A.G. is?
Its VOLONTEERING to BE “in a tough spot”, cause thats what the A.G. IS!
If ya didn’t WANT to be in a “tough spot”, you bagpipe playin *sshole, you shouldn’t have taken the JOB!
BUT, once you TAKE the job, you DO the job, you don’t whine about how PDJT’s tweets make it harder, and you don’t,come up with absurd, B.S. excuses for why you won’t do your F’ing job!
Try that in the private sector, and see how far it gets you. Straight to the unemployment line, THATS where!
DON’T fall for the bullshirt; if he is refusing to accept any evidence of criminality, if it comes from the “Political Silo, he is EXACTLY like the “Recused” Sessions, recused on “anything Russia related”, now Barr is recused on anything politically related, meanwhile there,are MOUNTAINS of evidence he is ignoring, of the biggest,….POLITICAL crime and Scandal in our history!
Guess what Bondo,…its POLITICAL!
Exactly, here in Canada as well. When I go to use the ATM machine at my bank, oh due to covid banks have been closed, only a few weeks ago they opened and the rules are insane, not able to update a passbook, yes my dad at age 98 wants his book updated, nope due to covid govna. It is so tough for my dad a Canadian immigrant to understand all this. What I meant to say here, is I did that, put in a wrong PIN 3 times after that I had to do the same call identify, answer some security questions, however my money was still there, did not wipe out my account or accounts. BS, who ever believes this has lost the few brain cells they had left. Barr is unreal, I never liked or trusted him from day 1. I say political “debela guzica” fat a… With Barr et al this is all, as my dad says communist propaganda,he has said that about the news for years and years, before most were able to comprehend it. Dad has fought in the war, he has seen it all, been through some very trying times, I thank Jesus that he is still with us, with a sound mind as well. God Bless PDJT.
98 yrs old? Wow!!
SD:
“Within the interview Nunes hits on a very key aspect that doesn’t get enough attention when he says of congress “we don’t have handcuffs or guns.””
And that is why patriots (Wray and Barr excluded) are helpless to either stop or to prosecute the criminality of the DS. It’s that simple, IMO.
Personally, I’m skeptical of this whole crapola.
But, then again, I’m skeptical by nature.
Evidence is evidence.
Truth is truth.
I have trouble believing the heads of justice are really only accepting matter from a certain mouth.
But, I’ll repeat, evidence is evidence.
What ? A particular factoid appearing in a congressional record renders it useless by those in the Law Department ? Simply because it was brought to light in a particular (capitol) building ?
If I want to beggar belief, and the factoid is true, can I not attempt to verify it by other means ? This whole “discovery scenario” cannot possibly disqualify evidence from use or record. That would go against not only the history of all (common) law itself but logic as well.
From wherever it comes, put it in front of a jury.
That is all that is required of you who administer justice.
If I find a body and I am a congressman (or woman) is there not still a stiff ?
What then ?
This whole thing doesn’t hold water
… this is not like playing with one arm tied behind the back, this is playing with no senses. Justice is supposed to be blind with respect to the parties but not to the facts.
Wtf
I know I speak flippantly, and some evidence may rightfully be hidden from a real ‘jury’ based on from where it comes (poisonous etc).
But what I mean is the larger jury… judge, prosecutors, (grand jury etc,) those who inspect these things.
Just thought I would clarify that because I was not precise.
The principle still holds solid.
Whilst Nunes is in effect a voice in the wilderness his comment on Federal records matters. Being ignored as far as I can see by the FBI is the inconvenient fact that data stays in computer memories, a phone being a computer, until it is overwritten.
If those phones had been seized, at the time this was found out, there was a good chance that at least some if not all of the data was still there, albeit removed from the directories, but still recoverable. That is unless a ‘100% write-over’ utility had been used which would have taken the incident from being an mass accident to deliberate destruction of Federal records.
There was clearly no motivation to do that, which sadly says it all.
and that was the point in the Hillary Clinton email server case that everyone seemed to miss.
the very act of installing a private server for her documents pertaining to her governmental work was a crime. she was illegally taking governmental materials (and not even returning them later). whether or not said materials were ‘classified’ was immaterial.
Only the truth is important, but it presents a perfect position for UNIPARTY
Open memo to the President:
Mr. President, Bill Barr, like Jeff Sessions before him, is a disgraceful bureaucrat. Both of these men have brought severe damage to the American system of justice. Our republic was founded under the principle of equal justice for all, and these men have made a mockery of that concept. I understand that these two were “lesser of two evils” picks, but surely you realize that that method no longer works in America. We conservative voters learned that lesson a long time ago. I urge you to either put the fear of God in Bill Barr or fire him. Believe me when I say that your supporters will think more highly of you on Election Day if you can apply the same fearless approach to the Justice Dept as you have in other areas. Someone needs to go in there with a huge can of RAID! Soon!
Like Ten Bears said, ” It’s sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see, and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. The words of Ten Bears carries the same iron of life and death. It is good that warriors such as we meet in the struggle of life… or death. It shall be life.”
I reckon so
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I have been an expert witness throughout my professional career. I have NEVER accepted any data or information from any parties, however remote, to the litigation. I don’t know them or trust them because they are biased and results can be challenged on that basis. I know myself and trust myself; no others. It’s a duty I swear to and affirm. I think it is no different for Bill Barr especially when dealing with the swamp. They are compromised, biased and/or untrustworthy. Would you enter a courtroom with evidence from Lindsay Graham or any other Washington DC politician?
You’re focusing on the source of the information, not whether the information is factual or not
That seems to me like a gaping hole in ensuring that justice is done
… the information can be vetted do determine the factual basis (or not), independent of the source
Seems to me that evidence from the political silo should be used just like evidence from a low life criminal drug dealer turned informer. Admittedly it might be more difficult to get a conviction but as long as the evidence gets a fair review why not use it. Maybe Barr knows that political evidence in a DC court will fail. Maybe the political evidence won’t work because the two parties have such different results from investigations that reasonable doubt is too easy to prove. Seems that some of the evidence that is documented in official documents would be ok but not any opinions formed from that.
My fellow Treepers, I hear your voices expressing hope that Barr will see the light, that Barr will be fired and replaced by someone such as Sydney Powell, that President Trump declassifies everything and we will suddenly emerge into the sunlight of the Constitution. Allow me to remind you that such worthies as Sundance is ‘infuriated’ by his awesome work being effectively ignored, Thomas Wigand shows us the breadth of evil acting against us, and Congressman Nunes says that we don’t have handcuffs or guns on our investigative side.
While we have I believe overwhelming numbers on our side, our foes are much better organized through Soros’ many fronts to severely disrupt our civil society.
So I ask you “What should we do?”
My first response is we must do everything in our power to insure that President Trump and the Republicants overwhelmingly win the coming election. Then, we must trust that President Trump leads us in restoring Constitutional order to our government. Since that order is lacking now, we must have faith in President Trump’s leadership during a tumultuous time. Unfortunately, I don’t have a second response. There are those here who I’m sure might have advice for us if we suffer, e.g. widespread power disruptions. I believe we have basic preparations, which I will revisit today, but I would welcome any advice from fellow Treepers.
God bless President Trump. God bless Sundance. God bless us all.
Trump should act like he did on the apprentice. If his people will not do their job, then he should fire them and try again and again until finally perhaps someone from outside of the Washington establishment fills said position and actually does his/her job.
So I guess it is safe to say that Barr wasn’t just stating a departmental position when he said that he would not use evidence/information that came from a political silo. It was actually deep state instructions giving anyone with information/evidence a heads up that they need to get that evidence/information into a political silo asap if they wish to avoid prosecution. Swamp speak for get outta jail free. Kinda like the Steele dossier; get it in the designated venue so that you may achieve the desired outcome.
“… It was actually deep state instructions giving anyone with information/evidence a heads up …”
astute
So did Sundance meet with these prosecutors working under Durham, provide them with all the evidence necessary to indict everybody? Sure, thank you Mr./Mrs. Sundance, we shall take it from here……and we will call you…………….REALLY? COME ON! ENOUGH! There has to be at least one boy/girl scout that hates corruption so much that they are willing to speak up and go after these traitors for spying, colluding, conniving, sniveling, grovelling, faking it about Trump and Flynn! We need justice and we need it now! Their cozy, enrichment way of life is OVER! ENOUGH! While the rest of us work hard, pay taxes, raise our families, treat each other as friends while they want us to be enemies to distract, deny, detract, refract, deflect, hide, sneak stuff, take stuff, lie, lie and more lies………..no more double standards, no more lying, cheating denying! NO MORE, REFUSE TO BE A VICTIM, FIGHT BACK!!
Nunes on Evening Edit hosted by Elizabeth MacDonald, gave thanks to Judicial Watch for the discovery of the destruction of Mueller’s Team phones memory. . He said Barr-zini’s DOJ had been working against him.
All the noise, writing books about the corruption. September 11, 2001. Remembered the book written by Demorats et Republicrats? Must have been a through investigation? Who made $$$, 19 years of lies, deception. Where is the investigation about the money missing Trillions of $$$$ days before September 11,2001? Crickets .compromised politicians, drugs, porn, nepotism,ect
Until I see Lindsey Graham, Clinton, Suzanne Rice, Obama, Lerner, bushes ,Biden, j. Roberts,Polosi, M waters and all of them paying back restitution and going to jail I do not believe any of these actors.
Look what they have done to our General Flynn? Unable to take embarrassing pics or video of him. So they created a story
Pray, pray and pray