Supreme Court Blocks and Punts on Trump Financial Records Cases…

Apparently stall tactics are all the rage amid a political judiciary that is collapsing from a quickly metastasizing cancer inside the third branch of government.

Today the Supreme court blocked in part, and punted in part, on three cases related to the resistance effort to gain the private financial records of President Trump.  The bottom line is that none of the decisions today will likely be resolved before the November election.

♦ In the Trump -v- Vance case, a subpoena by a Manhattan district attorney, the justices (by a vote of 7-2) rejected the president’s claim that he is immune from state grand jury proceedings while he is in office. However, the decision in that case does not mean  financial records the grand jury seeks will be turned over.  As Amy Howe notes: “the court sent the case back to the trial court and agreed that the president could still argue that complying with this subpoena would interfere with his ability to do his job.”

This was the case outcome that likely frustrated President Trump the most because it forces him to continue fighting, and spending, against Lawfare resistance activists in state courts as accusations are brought by politically motivated state prosecutors.

♦ In the Trump -v- Mazars case, which is a combination of two rolled-up cases combining different legislative efforts (congressional subpoenas) to gain Trump’s financial records, the justices (again 7-2) sent the combined cases back to lower courts after highlighting that legislative subpoenas must be made for a “valid legislative purpose” not for law enforcement.  This aspect is based on the clear separation of powers in the constitution.

We anticipated this ruling in the Trump -v- Mazars case because it was clear the efforts of the House were fishing expeditions.  Despite initiating an impeachment effort in order to bolster their attempt; and then attempting to backdoor the congressional subpoenas under the guise of the impeachment effort; the Supreme Court rejected that approach.

SCOTUS BLOG – […] Having found both sides’ proposed tests wanting, Roberts outlined a middle ground for the lower courts in these cases, as well as other courts going forward, to follow. Courts, Roberts instructed, should “perform a careful analysis that takes adequate account of the separation of powers principles at stake, including both the significant legislative interests of Congress and the ‘unique position’ of the President.”

Among other things, courts should consider whether the president’s papers are really necessary (because the information cannot be obtained elsewhere); whether the subpoena is as limited in scope as it can be while still serving Congress’ purpose; what evidence Congress has offered to “establish that a subpoena advances a valid legislative purpose”; and what burdens a subpoena imposes on the president. Because the lower courts did not adequately consider these “special concerns,” Roberts explained, the cases will now return to those courts for additional proceedings. (more)

Trump -v- Vance (Manhattan case) decision:

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Trump -v- Mazars (legislative case) decision:

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191 Responses to Supreme Court Blocks and Punts on Trump Financial Records Cases…

  1. susanphd says:

    The Rebel alliance is waiting for their instructions.

    Liked by 11 people

  2. dufrst says:

    Thomas and Alito are the only justices with the guts to make judicial decisions. For any future vacancies to the Supremes, I hope Trump takes their counsel and appoints accordingly because his last two picks were Justice Kennedy picks.

    Liked by 13 people

    • True but the Communists cannot retort that “it’s clear, Trump’s picks, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch are in his back pocket, blah, blah, blah….”

      Liked by 4 people

      • Bill Durham says:

        Since Trump is both a billionaire and president he has unlimited legal resources. He is methodical and winning a war of attrition. It will take years for the lower courts to rule. And then potus will file more appeals. He will be retired in 2025 before the cases are decided. Roberts is clever. This is a signal that further action by the democrats will be a long and useless endeavor. Roberts gives the appearance of deciding against Trump but he never does anything to hurt potus.

        Liked by 14 people

        • mericn says:

          Where does his Obamacare decision fit into this trusty plan?

          Liked by 4 people

        • WSB says:

          Note to self: repeal the 22nd Amendment.

          Liked by 2 people

        • Never? NoCare ruling hurt the American people (I.e. PDJT), FISA court appointments hurt PDJT, DACA hurt the American people (I.e. PDJT).

          Let’s see how the SC rules on Flynn dismissal.

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          • Jan says:

            It won”t get to the SC anytime soon. There’s no deadline anytime soon as to whether the en blanc Circuit Court of Appeals takes up the Sullivan’s appeal. I”m sure Sullivan is rallying support.

            But I think Ovomit has put the impetus on Democrat judge NOT to rule in Flynn’s favor so that Ovomit gets away w/ his “get Flynn” game

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            • Jan, I totally agree that it will be delayed as long as possible. As long as the case is “open” the gag order is in place and Flynn can’t say shift. Protect the guilty for as long as possible.

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              • lftpm says:

                There is no gag order on LTG Flynn or his attorney Sid Powell. She has advised him to let her do the talking to the public. Judge Sully did not issue any gag order.

                You may be thinking of Roger Stone. He is now convicted, so Judge ABJ’s gag order on him is over.

                What Stone and PDJT’s team are doing now is weighing a commutation, which could potentially allow Stone to appeal his conviction, if he can raise money for it, or a pardon. In short, he’s not going to prison next week.

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        • Bill, I find this opinion from you interesting. I supported your criticism of Barr a couple days ago. But cannot see how you are giving Roberts a pass with his significant extra-constitutional rulings.
          If you have time, I am interested how you differentiate the two.

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          • Bill Durham says:

            Roberts is a politician playing the long game. If its 5=4 Trump victories The left goes nuts. Dems will court pack. So he gives dems token victories but upholds Trump position on the law. He knows trump wins in the end. He is simply delaying the dems defeat. Its a timing game. Trump has time and money. Trump wins a war of attrition. It does matter if Trump wins now or in 5 years. The results are the same. Roberts is simpl y stalling the left. How many cases have the dems actually got anything of value? Hollow victo

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        • Robert Smith says:

          64D + likes

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        • HorsegirlforTrump says:

          Yes Bill, like your thought process, keep going. Want more from you you on Roberts.

          Liked by 1 person

          • Bill Durham says:

            It took a long time tp end segregation. The courts knew it was wrong but upheld it. They had to wait until the country was ready. The Court is politicians. They upheld Trump on the law. But they dont want the dems gas lighting the country and defacing the courts. So they kick the can. Tie up the dems from doing any damage while upholding Trump legal position. Justice delayed is not always Justice denied.

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        • hitgirl18 says:

          Comment deleted by Admin…

          *You need to read the commenting rules….with an emphasis on language and group etiquette.

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      • Doppler says:

        Reverse political influence. Justices, particularly new ones, feel pressure to prove their independence from the politician who appointed them

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    • mikeyboo says:

      Amer to that!

      Liked by 1 person

    • Joebkonobi says:

      Exactly! I always assumed the SC was there to decide cases, not critique and grade them and send them back for resubmission. Can you say COWARDS! This has become a pattern for Roberts. I get the feeling he does not want to give Trump any wins, especially going into the election.

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      • doyouseemyvision says:

        Looks like the SC and the Congress have joined forces to do everything they can to weaken the Executive. It’s disgusting.

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  3. L4grasshopper says:

    In MAZARS, the 2 dissenters, Thomas and Alito, were in agreement with the basis of the decision being a separation of powers issue, but disagreed with remanding back to the lower Courts and wanted to just reject the attempt by the House to “go fishing”.

    Liked by 13 people

    • I think this one will just go away, because everything the house does now is null and void after the election and this will not be heard before the election.

      Liked by 8 people

      • spren says:

        The case doesn’t need to be heard. Democrats, like Schiff, will just make things up and report them as facts, and the media who they leak to, will amplify their lies. They continuously did this during the Russia collusion hoax and Mueller probe. What makes you think this is any different and that it will prevent them from doing the same? All Democrats have about anything is their profound ability to lie, and to endlessly repeat the lie until it becomes conventional wisdom. Trump will be forced to continuously refute their lies or allow them to take root.

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        • It gets way too old after a fashion.
          That dog just won’t hunt anymore.
          JMHO.

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          • I agree abigail.

            So let them make things up and rant.

            Nothing and I mean NOTHING seems to slow Pres Trump down.

            Every time the jacka++es on the left get what they think is “a win” they shout for joy and the msm broadcasts victory.

            Hollywood celebrities post videos of themselves cheering and crying and doing cute things.

            For a bit.

            For just a little bit.

            And then suddenly that subject is never mentioned again, ever.

            And Pres Trump keeps on moving ahead and getting things done and he does not sweat it or even hesitate at all.

            We can not take things for granted and need to keep working but November is getting close and the Dems are getting astonishing more bizarre.

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            • ThreeGdam says:

              Thats because he believes in results, not optics. He is not an actor. Other republicans where bad actors, not people who had done something.

              TV was paramount. Not anymore. Internet killed the TV star.

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        • Donzo says:

          Schiff will do that no matter what. And at this point the egg on his face is hard boiled.

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  4. Revelation says:

    “wanted to just reject the attempt by the House to “go fishing”.”

    Ie. the only ones honest enough to acknowledge exactly what was going on.

    Liked by 13 people

    • vikingmom says:

      Clarence Thomas has been around long enough, and has been put through more than enough, that he absolutely does NOT care if he is liked, invited to DC parties, or any of the usual motivations. He is an intellectual giant, as was Antonin Scalia, and the rest of the Court pales in comparison to the opinions that he writes! Listen and learn well young Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and maybe someday you can be seen as half the man that Clarence Thomas is!

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      • HorsegirlforTrump says:

        Love you viking mom, your comments are always super smart

        Liked by 2 people

      • Jan says:

        Vikingmom, you knocked this out of the park.

        I wish Justice Thomas had more say out there about race relations to guide all Americans in these ugly days.

        But, of course, this is really not about racism or Pres. Trump, this is about the violent overthrow of our Constitution & our government. This is about globalism, one-world government & the destruction of America.

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        • The Gipper Lives says:

          It is only about race insofar as it is an attempt to roll back the President’s popularity with black voters. That’s why Shithole States and Shithole Cities run by Shithole Democrats are having their Democrat Paramilitaries burn down their own cities,

          It won’t work.

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      • pacnwbel says:

        Viking mom, you just hit several nails on the head.

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  5. Magabear says:

    Lawyers will never run out of work as long as Roberts is on the court. 😕

    I guess we could call this a narrow win on the first case with the second one going into OT.

    Liked by 4 people

  6. Jenevive says:

    What happens with the Grand Jury case, is that one ruled on tomorrow?
    Where House get the Mueller Grand Jury info.

    Liked by 1 person

  7. One Voice says:

    I don’t believe there is anything in the tax records. If there was it would have been exposed long ago. This is all about continuing the perception that there is something there and Pres. Trump is hiding it.

    Liked by 16 people

    • And the fact that the communists are insistent that Pres. Trump lied about his net worth; they want to spin that he really isn’t rich after all……..how childish can we all get….as if that’s our most pressing issue.
      In reality, no one, (with 1/2 a brain), cares a twit about his income…
      Give me a break!

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      • “President Trump lied about his net worth….” Of course if the findings surprisingly showed that the stable genius that he is was actually poor, (not a dime and a nickel to rub together), the Left would explode heads. The Trusts are worth 15 Billion, Resorts are worth 10 Billion, Corporations are worth umpteen Billion. But all President Trump owns is a rusty old Rolls Royce…..! Watch the splodey heads.

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        • spren says:

          And his own private, luxurious, jet prior to being elected. I wish I could be half as poor as PDJT is. And he’s so poor, he surrenders his salary every quarter.

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          • Not to be a real pain in the butt…..
            Think about this in reality; if there was A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G.that could be pointed out as Fraudulent or Bordering Fraud and Illegal; do you really Believe, we would not have heard about it by now?
            Seriously?
            My guess is: “They” have seen his tax returns (because they are all crooks and have access) and there is nothing there…So…their last resort is to spread the..possibility of something being there.
            Whatever POTUS is being accused of; his accusers have already done or are in the process of doing.
            It’s just that simple.

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            • You bet your boots we would have heard about anything illegal that Pres Trump or his children were even slightly involved or related to by now.

              The liberals are going insane trying to convince the voters not to vote for Donald Trump.

              Pres Trump probably could have released his taxes long ago if he wanted to because he knew he was “clean”.

              But it is more fun to watch the liberals cross their hearts and hope to die promise their base that THIS time they really really have some thing on the Bad Orange Man.

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        • Almost all of the Trump Organization is in property around the world. And Pres. Trump admits to having great cash flow. How many Billions is he worth? That is like asking a farmer how rich he is. All his wealth is in the land. The last billionaire to want to convert all this proceeds into cash was Howard Hughes and he was crazy.

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      • Robert Smith says:

        LOL

        If I were Trump I’d say my net worth has gone down during office while xx, xx, xx, and xx have become multi-millionaires in office on a 200k salary!

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    • fred5678 says:

      Bingo. There are more than enough moles and apparatchiks buried in the IRS to have leaked anything they want long ago.

      Liked by 10 people

    • dollops says:

      Exactly. The Dims are hoping to find complex issues in Trump’s voluminous records, issues that can be “splained” as shady deals. They are devious and the SC justices did themselves great loss of credibility by not rejecting the suits on that ground alone. The leftist four we can understand, but what is wrong with those three “conservatives” that they can’t or won’t cut to the chase?

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    • Revelation says:

      The average Joe or Jane wont be able to read a complex tax return.

      So the Media will lie, spin and obfuscate, in order to throw more poop at Trump.

      in a lot of ways, it is so embarrassingly childish.

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      • Ken Lawson says:

        Revelation – The average Joe or Jane you mention must include members of the House and Senate, too. Most of them couldn’t figure out a tax return. In fact, most Americans don’t understand a for 1040EZ. Most people think that their take home pay (the actual amount of their paycheck) is their pay and that at the end of the year when they get a tax refund it’s a gift from the government. They have no understanding that they’ve just allowed the government to use their money all year interest-free.

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        • vikingmom says:

          I am AMAZED at the number of people who have no idea how ANY of the tax structures into which they pay actually work! Whoever figured out how to sell automatic withholding was an evil genius!

          If most Americans received their FULL wages and were then instructed to write a check to the government for the FULL amount of their income tax, their Social Security tax (including their employer’s portion) and their Medicare tax, the whole system would be upended in a matter of weeks!! And if most people who work actually understood how many people who could work but CHOOSE not to are being supported by their taxes, the whole system would be upended in a matter of hours!!

          Liked by 4 people

    • 🍺Gunny66 says:

      And it does not matter if the President did nothing illegal regarding his taxes.

      They will make something up….or make a “ mountain out of a mole hill” so to speak.

      “Oh ……. he spent some days on his yacht”…… let’s call all the workers in to testify.

      “If he gave them any tips… not claimed…..we got him”

      They have been after President Trump for “decades”

      Nothing….Nada…….

      They just lost this battle

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    • And I think PDJT is playing that up big time. Disinformation/misdirection.

      When finally released and there is nothing there the coup will have wasted all that time making PDJT look good and them look bad.

      Just today Kayleigh restated PDJT’s statement that the taxes will be released when the audit is completed. My guess, the audit will be completed Jan 2025.

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    • Redzone says:

      It’s very likely he has significant “carry-forward” losses, possibly in excess of $1B, due to his casino bankruptcy days. Further, commercial real estate owners have significant IRS allowed depreciation.

      These two combined could significantly minimize the President’s taxes for many years. It’s all legitimate and legal and I personally have no problem with it.

      Everyone knows he broke no laws or the Dems under Obama would have nailed him. It’s all about creating a media narrative of how the President paid little or no taxes, when the same can be said for many very wealthy people.

      This is a non-issue intended solely for media consumption.

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    • Martin says:

      We don’t need to see the tax records of a billionaire who became a public servant; we need to see the tax records of public servants who became millionaires while they were public servants.

      Liked by 3 people

    • dbobway says:

      I have repeated often here and everywhere. The traitors of our bureaucratic government will slide until PDJT either wins or loses in November. This case was about hush money.
      If the hush money to a stripper and a Playmate, came out of his taxes, it wasn’t illegal.
      It is just fodder for the CNN cultists.
      The establishment is going to make us prove President Trump deserves a second term,
      with our vote. Barr and Durham are doing the same thing. So is Fauxi and the Dem. Governors.
      America must prove it’s resolve to make things right,
      The left wants to prove we’re to lazy to want to deal with this 24/7 barrage of attacks on our way of life, and we are just sheep after all.
      The best we can do, is color the picture of a Biden Presidency in broad, loud colors.
      The President will take care of his part.
      These next 100 or so days have to be about winning this election.
      Period!

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  8. The only difference between a dead dog and a dead lawyer in the middle of the road…there are skid marks in front of the dog. Sorry Sydney. Present company excluded. Especially a lawyer with the same Texas twang as my aunt Nanalou Grueter.

    Liked by 6 people

    • Ninja7 says:

      justoldcowboybill, IIRC I thought that it was a skunk, However I could be mistaken, having more senior moments. 🤔🤔

      Liked by 1 person

    • 🍺Gunny66 says:

      “Never ever, ever, get lawyers involved”

      Gibbs Rule

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      • I laid out a case to a lawyer one time. He said it was a slam dunk win. I thanked and went to leave. He asked if I was going to hire him. I said no. I just gave you the other guy’s side. I’m going over there to settle with him.

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        • A Moderate Man says:

          That’s funny, I wish I could be clever like that!

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        • Doppler says:

          A small town lawyer in the Midwest decades ago told of how a butcher came in one day to ask him, “if a man lets his dog run free and the dog enters the store and snatches a standing rib roast off the counter, is the owner liable?” “Yes,” said the lawyer. “Well, your dog did just that, and you owe me $50 dollars,” which the lawyer promptly paid, a story the butcher told repeatedly over the next couple weeks.

          At the end of the month, the butcher opened a letter which turned out to be an invoice from the lawyer. Advice re dog claim $100.

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      • I would rather be forced to attend a Biden speech than hire a lawyer! Sydney, do you hate me for what I started? I’m sorry. All the lawyer jokes I know were told to me by lawyers. Why can’t I stop laughing?

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    • Robert Smith says:

      So send lawyers, guns, and money was just a line in a song?

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      • I hate to break it to you. But yup! Pretty much!

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        • dbobway says:

          I’m a song writer, I was just trying to make it rhyme.
          Bob Dylan.
          I conjured an image once, Rudy Giuliani said he was going to put our tax returns on a 3X5 card. I thought how many millions of lawyers would lose their jobs if that happened.
          A lawyer would be a skill set with ‘0’ skills to be anything but a lawyer.
          It posed a question, when a man with no job experience, but millions of like minded jobless people in the same predicament, what would they do?
          Start a gang. With their limited skill set, what would a gang of lawyers do?
          They would ride around in an old beat up Mercedes, fenders gone, windows broken, full of lawyers still wearing, what’s left of their suits.
          They would drive up to public gatherings, jump out of the car and scream out loud until they ran out of breath, lower their heads, crawl back into the car, gasping, and drive away.
          Might as well take sociology.

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  9. andrewalinxs says:

    I said it with the Ruling on DACA The supreme court is slowly rendering itself irrelevant. The less it makes a decision the more the Chief Justice makes his court worthless. The point is to provide a clear decision and direction based on the Federal Law and Constitution. Simply ignoring the problems and not giving a decision and pushing it down the timeline serves no one and only makes the courts worthless as it is no longer seen as a means to provide an ending decision.

    The Reason we don’t duel each other in the streets anymore is because Courts Where seen as the better alternative kicking the can swings the pendulum back to the idea previous idea of solving problems.

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    • WSB says:

      My understanding is that the Supremes were originally a cabal of 6. Thereby bouncing ties back to the Congress. Again, an opinion, not a directive.

      That does not happen any longer.

      Sad.

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      • spren says:

        I very much doubt many people are aware of the original numbers of Justices on the Supreme Court. Unfortunately, the Constitution is silent on how many Justices the court can have. Hence, the rumors of Democrat plans to pack it with many more of their like-minded tyrants. FDR tried it, but his own Democrat congress, who were still Americans at that time, blocked him. Nobody will block them this time if they regain power.

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  10. fred5678 says:

    How can you recognize a lawyer from the rear? By the slit in the jacket for the dorsal fin.

    Liked by 3 people

    • republicanvet91 says:

      I disagree. That gives lawyers waaaaay too much credit. Think of Van Grack and Weissmann.

      You can recognize them by their earthy pallor because most of them are lower than 59 barrels of whale poo.

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  11. 335blues says:

    It is more than fair to say the Roberts court
    has shown itself to be a clown court.
    Roberts is no conservative.
    That is how he was sold to the country
    when GWBush nominated him.
    But then GWBush has shown he is no conservative either
    after seeing him plant his lips on Obama’s arse for a wet one.

    Liked by 7 people

    • Ken Lawson says:

      It was obvious that GW Bush isn’t a conservative from a long, long time before he became president. But he was part of the UniParty elite family and so he was welcome. The vast majority of Republicans in Washington are UniParty and don’t want Trump to succeed. They would rather he be gone so hey can go back to their old ways.

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  12. Merkin Muffley says:

    I can understand a DA having a right to the material but as soon as SDNY get a hold of it they will leak it to every liberal media outlet in the country. That should have been a part of the President’s argument.

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    • dollops says:

      This is an honest query: doesn’t the IRS refer clients for prosecution when they discover illegality? It should be a given that tax agents went through Trump’s papers with a fine-toothed comb, so how would there still be a “gotcha” lurking somewhere? How, unless the Dims’ hope is to pull a Manafort, Flynn or Stone on Trump.

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      • H D Cochran says:

        The Dims are not looking for an illegality. They seek a means to investigate and release statements to the press forever as they pick over every detail of years of billion-dollar returns.

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      • Merkin Muffley says:

        If there were something there, the IRS or the state of New York would have pounced by now.

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      It’s not SDNY, which is a Federal DA.

      It’s State of NY DA Vance.

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  13. Ellis says:

    What crime is being investigated by Vance? A campaign finance violation that would result in a small fine? The fine won’t even cover the current costs to prosecute it.

    That case was designed for a political narrative prior to his re-election. That crashed and burned today. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the case quietly be dropped after the election.

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    • zimbalistjunior says:

      its already been clearly established that there was no campaign finance violation, from a legal perspective
      the only ‘leg’ Vance has to stand on is that Cohen was coerced to plea to this ‘crime’. Sorry, Cohen doesn’t make the law. If Cohen pled to being an accomplice to Trump murdering someone, and that someone is still alive, does his plea bind Trump to a crime?

      btw, if Trump’s lawyers wish, they could cite to Flynn case as example of the prosecutorial misconduct that Vance is engaging in.

      maybe Vance should drop this and concentrate his full legal powers on the crucial case of the bickering Coopers and The Rumble in the Ramble bird-watching crap. I mean he just charged Amy Cooper with third degree misdemeanor. Lots of work to do going forward making up stuff to use against her. Remember, the other Cooper is black. BLACK, I tell ya!
      and yet still, this idiot DA is not the worst Vance ever.

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    • doyouseemyvision says:

      I think this is the case where Trump or his lawyer Cohen wrote the NDA checks for the 2 women who claimed they had sex. I believe the intent is to obtain the financial records to confirm this wasn’t recorded as a campaign expense.

      To your point, this case may still continue after the election just to be a burr in Trump’s sock and force him to spend money for defense. They’re a pretty vindictive lot and some of the goal here is to make non-professional politicians gun-shy in the future about running for political office.

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    • BitterC says:

      LOL…I found myself wondering that today, too. Guess Sundance never covered it. 🙂

      I have since gathered that Cyrus III is looking into potential tax fraud…Cohen told Congress something about Trump inflating his assets to get listed on Forbes Most Wealthy lists, but deflated them for tax purposes.

      This is more of a guess, but I think maybe if the Trump Org paid the Stormy and Daniels’ hush monies, if it wrote them off as “legal expense” (since he reimbursed Cohen for them), that would be tax fraud.

      I would think the campaign finance aspect of those payments would be an FEC matter

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  14. sDee says:

    They laugh. They laugh at us. They each each in turn led America’s death march.
    Treasonous b’stards.

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  15. Paul says:

    I’m not going to let my white child grow up in a former first world country where she’s a target of unbridled hate because she’s white. That’s all I’m going to say.

    Liked by 3 people

    • FrankieZee says:

      Better move to Poland then.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Free Speech says:

      Amen. I am not going to stand by and let my children be subjected to the psychological abuse of being blamed because of their race. They tried to trot this bogus definition of ‘racism’ out 30 years ago, and it was DISCREDITED, but being the patiently evil cultural Marxists they are, they had to wait for an ignorant generation to grow up who hadn’t heard the arguments. First, they say we’re a social construct and the idea of ‘whiteness’ should be abolished. Then, they want to target you for merely being the identity they say is a ‘social construct’ that isn’t real. And all the time, the supposed crime of your race is failing to judge others as individuals. Yet they refuse you your individuality. It’s the height of absurdity.

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  16. Free Speech says:

    The worst one was Gorsuch on the Oklahoma case. This guy is trying to adjudicate social justice a century later, and is throwing the state of Oklahoma into total chaos. Now every Native American criminal convicted by the state for crimes will be let go via appeal in Oklahoma. I support POTUS, but he has made some terrible, terrible decisions on personnel, not only the obvious ones in the Executive Branch, but now with the SCOTUS. Gorsuch is another Roberts in the making.

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    • Jimmy Jack says:

      I am also shocked by this. I think. May mean they can let anyone out of prison, not just Native American Indians.

      Kavanaugh is another Roberts waiting in the wings too. Just watch. This is unbelievable.

      Liked by 2 people

    • andrewalinxs says:

      At Least Gorsuch forced a decision. I don’t think he correctly read the Enabling Act of 1906. Conflating a treaty to be equal with constitution to allow the creation of states.

      The Enabling Act of 1906 Expressly had the Native Americans of the Indian territories vote along side those in the Oklahoma territory to form the state. The Truth is their should be no Federal Reservation land in Oklahoma it all should be part of the State as the Native Americans merged with the Oklahoma territory to form the state. And Congress wrote that Law and the President Signed it. I will probably have to re read the issues but I think the one clear thing is half of Oklahoma should not be considered Federal Reservation land.

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    • III% says:

      I dunno. Seems to me Federal guidelines in Federal pens is usually worse than State.

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    • Free Speech:
      I would like to counsel the President that, ‘all things being equal,’ do not choose a jurist that has studied at Oxford U.! It’s a Communist hotbed!
      Not only do they teach the ideology (apparently without you knowing it), but also the M.O. which is: deceive and dissemble!

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  17. Jimmy Jack says:

    Gorsuch has sided with the line on the Indian reservation in Oklahoma. It is bly almost half reservation.

    George Webb must be right about the deep state using the reservations to traffic and launder money. Why else would he agree to this?

    Roberts comments read almost like a chastisement if Gorsuch. Apparently this can result in the release of
    Decades worth of criminals. I have to wonder who wants Oklahoma to become a criminal haven. Most be someone.

    Everyday things get crazier and crazier. The quickening is upon us.

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  18. wtd says:

    Joe Biden brags that he released 21 years of tax returns while in office. How come no one ever asks him how he ever afforded to buy this massive estate (below) from the Dupont’s while he was on a government salary for 50 years? #TrumpTaxReturns

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  19. Baby Hurley says:

    One of these days, these political evil doers are going to kick the jagged edge of that can and bleed out…I can’t wait for Nov 4 to get here.

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  20. Baby Hurley says:

    One of these days, these political evil doers are going to kick the jagged edge of that can and bleed out…I can’t wait for Nov 4 to get here.

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  21. George S says:

    I don’t understand why Roberts cannot simply address the fact as to why Donald J. Trump’s and family tax returns alone are necessary for a legitimate legislative purpose. Trump is not the only real estate mogul in the United States and the Congress can subpoena any of them before a sitting US President. Ah, campaign donations and influence of foreign governments? Then subpoena Obama, Bush and Clinton first since they a) they went through the same campaign financing process, and b) they are not busy with the country’s business.

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  22. Kay123 says:

    Amazing… just d@mn amazing!!
    barry sotoroe (aka Obomber)
    can “seal” his lifetime records from
    “birth to yesterday” from anyone
    seeking to disprove his “CITIZENSHIP” status….
    and WHY it takes an “army” and Supreme Court…
    “Kagen” to keep it hidden ? So WHAT are “YOU
    HIDING”?

    Yet the Demons want every “detail of DJT finances”

    Hey Horse Hockey…..You have yet to
    prove you were even a Illegal president !!!

    Why you used a stolen Social Securiity number!!

    Why you used “foreign” student Affirmative Action
    to get into US college?

    Why you got Saudi funds to go to Harvard !

    Why Nancy piglousy whose father was a known
    mobster… vetted you… into the government you
    hated so much as a MARXIST?

    And WHY WE STILL PAY A PENSION TO SOMEONE
    WHO tried to overthrow our government… even now?
    When you SHOULD HAVE been prosecuted back in 2010.?

    DemonRats have “special privileges”…. don’t they..??

    So Who is the RAACIST?

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  23. Vera says:

    SCOTUS used to be the only thing between us and them.
    No longer….. they fudge to accommodate the UniParty.
    PDJTs’s tax returns have been ticked off and accepted as valid, legally correct returns by the IRS.
    That should be the end of the matter.
    If the Don wishes to reveal more he can, but how can that be made compulsory?
    If you don’t like that don’t vote for him, is your alternative.

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  24. California Joe says:

    The New York State Department of Taxation already has President Trump’s personal and corporate tax returns because copies of the state tax return contain and must match with the federal return. Every tax accountant and tax lawyer in New York knows that!

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  25. spren says:

    Campaign contributions are neither taxable (from the candidate receiving them) nor deductible from the campaign claiming them as expenses. I can’t see how legally demanding anyone’s tax returns without a very specific probable cause is even being considered. It is a clear violation of the 4th and 5th Amendment protections against unreasonable searches and being forced to testify against yourself. It is clearly a fishing expedition in search of a crime and it should’ve been soundly quashed by the SCOTUS.

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  26. islandpalmtrees says:

    Mark Levin made it clear that members of the Supreme Court are now exposed from their own ruling by requests from the state grand jury for subpoenas.

    Allowing state grand jury subpoenas to disable a presidency is a violation of the separation of powers.

    So the only conclusion I can see, is that this is a deliberate attempt to delay. But, to delay for what reason?

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  27. Wethal says:

    This is slightly OT, but it looks as if we need a bit of cheering up today.

    Michael Cohen, Trump’s ex-lawyer, is back in the slammer.

    He got out to home confinement because of COVD-19, but was only supposed to leave to see his lawyer or doctor. He was photographed in a French restaurant near his home his past weekend having a good time (and better food than that in a fed lock-up). (He also refused to sign a gag order that would have limited book writing and media appearances while at home).

    Karma. It’s what’s for dinner.

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  28. Kay123 says:

    Amazing… just d@mn amazing!!
    barry sotoroe (aka Obomber)
    can “seal” his lifetime records from
    “birth to yesterday” from anyone
    seeking to disprove his “CITIZENSHIP” status….
    and WHY it takes an “army” and Supreme Court…
    “Kagen” to keep it hidden ? So WHAT are “YOU
    HIDING”?

    Yet the Demons want every “detail of DJT finances”

    Hey Horse Hockey…..You have yet to
    prove you were even a legal president !!!

    Why you used a stolen Social Securiity number!!

    Why you used “foreign” student Affirmative Action
    to get into US college?

    Why you got Saudi funds to go to Harvard !

    Why Nancy piglousy whose father was a known
    mobster… vetted you… into the government you
    hated so much as a MARXIST?

    And WHY WE STILL PAY A PENSION TO SOMEONE
    WHO tried to overthrow our government… even now?
    When you SHOULD HAVE been prosecuted back in 2010.?

    DemonRats have “special privileges”…. don’t they..??

    So Who is the RAACIST?

    Liked by 1 person

  29. pucecatt says:

    I have a question, who has oversight of Congress ? We the people ? If that’s the case why can’t we ask for certain tax records from certain members ?

    Liked by 2 people

  30. TwoLaine says:

    The President’s attorney speaks:

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  31. Summer says:

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  32. dobbsfan says:

    Washington DC never-Trumpers……..suck @$$!

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    • Brutalus says:

      If Snyder had any guts, he’d rename the team “The Swamp”, sort of like the Green Wave of Tulane….”I like to announce from now on, we’ll be known as the Washington Swamp…you can get our new apparrel on Nike and Amazon….”

      Just a giant, permanent burn on all the people who made him change the name

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      • BitterC says:

        I read where he needs to come up with a name to retain the team’s colors. Too bad they aren’t green cuz that would be a perfect name

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  33. Kaco says:

    Can someone tell me how the NY DA can open a criminal investigation against our President? On what grounds? What crimes are they accusing him of? They shouldn’t be able to open a case without a reason. That means anyone can be investigated for no reason.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      The NY DA is investigating money paid to “buy the silence” of women with whom Pres Trump allegedly had affairs, and needs the President’s tax returns to prove it.
      Looks like indicting a ham sandwich, to me.

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      • Jenevive says:

        How do you prove it from tax returns, would someone really
        itemize it as “hush money payments”?

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        • doyouseemyvision says:

          I surmise that they can request the accompanying financial documents that are used to summarize on the tax returns, e.g., receipts, spreadsheets and the like.The court filing I believe used the terminology ‘financial documents’.

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        • jeans2nd says:

          lolol No idea, Jenevive, our minds do not work in illogical non-reality

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      • George Hicks says:

        Looks like indicting a ham sandwich, to me.
        That’s exactly what it is. They’re called non-disclosure agreements and every high profile, wealthy person (including most politicians) have probably paid for several. In many cases, it’s basically a pay-off to make the accuser (briber) go away, whether the accusation has any merit or not. Most of these accusers and their scam lawyers know exactly where the monetary threshold is to make them just go away instead of fighting them publicly.
        I guarantee Vance’s office has drafted many of these non-disclosure agreements.
        And let’s not forget the Congressional Accountability Act which uses tax payer dollars to quiet accusers of congressional members>
        https://nypost.com/2017/11/21/shut-down-the-politicians-sex-scandal-hush-funds/

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  34. George Hicks says:

    Brainstorm!
    Every person who has ever earned any money in the US has their earnings, deductions, taxes paid, charities contributed to…all financial records, posted to a public database by the IRS.
    That way every family member, relative, employer, neighbor, enemy, law enforcement agency, et. al, can review all your finances and decide if you’re fit to be considered a decent person.
    I contributed twice as much to charity as you did, therefore I am a better person.

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  35. evergreen says:

    Amazingly enough, the only person who has perfect immunity is a prosecutor for the state.

    Combined with a State budget (for all practical purposes unlimited, especially when compared to any object/subject of prosecution), that is the PERFECT state tool for conquering all opposition–forever.

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    • doyouseemyvision says:

      Congress needs a law for prosecutor misconduct with some teeth and lay out full descriptions and examples as to what that involves to include redress by the accused.
      Jail time, fines, and permanent loss of law license should be minimum punishment.

      I don’t doubt Trump has that on his long list of to-do’s.

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  36. MVW says:

    DemonCrats can do anything and get complete cover fire by the Totalitarian Lockstep Media. RepubliCrooks can’t (which is fine because they play the cuck game).

    At some point this will come to one conclusion or the other.

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  37. TarsTarkas says:

    And now we have a winner as to the dumbest and craziest Supreme Court decision of this term, if not for the past decade:

    Click to access 18-9526_9okb.pdf

    A convicted child rapist in Oklahoma sues claiming that he was actually was on American Indian land and thus could not be charged with a crime. Gorsuch loonily agrees with him. So right now large chunks of Oklahoma are legally Indian Reservations. Stare decisis must be upheld except when you don’t.

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    • He may regret running that argument as a defense. If tribal law applies to his crime(s), and he is able to be tried and convicted, the punishment may turn out to be somewhat more permanent than white man’s justice.

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  38. Julia Adams says:

    Roberts is evil and now we can see that Kavanaugh and Gorsuch are both traitors. These three men are despicable reasons. I demand SCOTUS tax returns be turned over and investigated for legislative re

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  39. Tl Howard says:

    This is Andy MeCarthy’s piece on the LIttle Sisters of the Poor decision. Depressing if you’re a conservative and a protector of religious liberty. Seems he believes Kagan is the real center of the Court and playing the long game, points out what we all know about Roberts, and feels Kavanaugh is too interested in being a team player at the expense of principles.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/506562-in-rueful-praise-of-elena-kagan-the-little-sisters-ruling#.XweyXmKWqNo.twitter

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  40. Summer says:

    What I find frustrating is Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are doing everything they can and more to make it difficult for President Trump to say that he appointed 2 outstanding Conservative Justices and to ask the people to vote for him so he could select more Justices like these two.

    Their record is at best mixed.

    I think the tribes are going to ride the wave of the Revolution and take the “land” back. Expect more of this because the precedent is established.
    Just imagine, one day you wake up and realize you live on a reservation now, subject to the tribal rules and dependent on whatever agreement they make with your former government and former representatives to guarantee your family safety and other rights. Courtesy of Neil Gorsuch. Even Roberts did not vote for this. Even Ginsberg asked whether everyone realized that about 1,700 criminals (a lot of them violent) would be released as a consequence of this decision.

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    • Kaco says:

      What the hell? What recourse is there? The Indians are going to run Tulsa now? Or charge rent? Does everyone have to abandon their homes?

      I already had problems with Gorsuch from the beginning just for the fact he is Episcopalian. How can anyone stay in that leftist denomination?

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  41. appraisher says:

    Let’s weight the democrats response to Trump being elected v. republicans response to a continuing coup.
    FBI/DOJ/CIA/DIA Crossfire Hurricane
    Dossier
    FISA
    Mueller appointed
    Democrats initiate impeachment against Trump
    ———————————————————-
    Supreme Court slow-walks Trump v. Vance
    Supreme Court slow-walks Trump v. Mazars
    Sullivan slow-walks dropping Flynn case
    Miss Lindsey slow-walks Crossfire Hurricane investigation
    Wray slow-walks FBI investigation
    Barr slow-walks DOJ investigation
    Durham slow-walks Obama administration treason investigation

    Swift justice for thee…but not for me.

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  42. ImpeachEmAll says:

    Just say’n…

    Nobody needs to agree.

    Just say’n… 😉

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1281272681694986242

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  43. SCOTUS and Congress may be concerned about having their respective personal tax affairs made public. That would be a seriously devastating trap they walk into if POTUS is forced to disclose his records and the result applies broadly.

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