U.S. and Islamic Republic of Afghanistan Sign Joint Peace Agreement – U.S. Military Will Reduce Military Forces…

The United States and the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (Taliban) have signed a peace agreement to end the nineteen-year war in Afghanistan.  [Details Here]  During the signing ceremony Secretary of State Mike Pompeo delivered the following remarks.

[Video and Transcript]

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[Transcript] – SECRETARY POMPEO: Good afternoon. I want to start by thanking His Highness Sheikh Tamim for Qatar’s invaluable role as host of these historic talks. His unstinting support, and yours foreign minister, have supported both sides and allowed them to reach this momentous day.

The United States and the Taliban have endured decades of hostility and mistrust. Previous talks have faltered. This effort only became real for the United States when the Taliban signaled interest in pursuing peace and ending their relationship with al-Qaida and other foreign terrorist groups. They also recognized that military victory was impossible. I then asked Ambassador Khalilzad to serve as our lead negotiator to gauge the Taliban’s sincerity.

The agreement that we will sign today is the true test of this effort. We will closely watch the Taliban’s compliance with their commitments and calibrate the pace of our withdrawal to their actions. This is how we will ensure that Afghanistan never again serves as a base for international terrorists.

The negotiation process in Doha, with all of its twists and turns, has shown it is possible for us to take this step together. Over the past seven days, violence levels have reached their lowest point in the last four years. U.S. and Afghan forces responded to the reduced enemy attacks by also respecting peace. It was not perfect, but the Taliban demonstrated, even if only for a week, that when they have the will to be peaceful, they can be.

The Afghan people have rejoiced. They are moving freely about the country to visit family and friends. They’re trading. They’re even dancing in the streets. But we’re just at the beginning. Furthering the cause of peace will require serious work and sacrifice by all sides – the United States, the coalition, the Taliban, the Afghan Government, other Afghan leaders, and the Afghan people themselves – to maintain the momentum needed to reach a comprehensive, inclusive, and durable peace.

This agreement will mean nothing, and today’s good feelings will not last, if we don’t take concrete actions on commitments and promises that have been made. When it comes down to it, the future of Afghanistan is for Afghans to determine. The U.S.-Taliban deal creates the conditions for Afghans to do just that.

Here’s our take. Here’s our take on what steps by the Taliban will make this agreement a success.

First, keep your promises to cut ties with al-Qaida and other terrorists. Keep up the fight to defeat ISIS. Welcome the profound relief of all Afghan citizens – men and women, urban and rural – as a result of this past week’s massive reduction in violence and dedicate yourselves to continued reductions. It is this significant de-escalation of violence that will create the conditions for peace, and the absence of it, the conditions and cause for failure. All Afghans deserve to live and prosper without fear.

Sit down with the Afghan Government, other Afghan political leaders, and civil society, and start the difficult conversations on a political roadmap for your country. Exercise patience, even when there is frustration. Honor the rich diversity of your country and make room for all views. Afghan governments have failed because they weren’t sufficiently inclusive.

The Afghan Government of 2020, and indeed the Afghanistan of 2020, is not the same as in 2001. Embrace the historic progress obtained for women and girls and build on it for the benefit of all Afghans. The future of Afghanistan ought to draw on the God-given potential of every single person.

If you take these steps, if you stay the course and remain committed to negotiations with the Afghan Government and other Afghan partners, we and the rest of the international community assembled here today stand ready to reciprocate.

I know there will be a temptation to declare victory. But victory – victory for Afghans – will only be achieved when they can live in peace and prosper. Victory for the United States will only be achieved when Americans and our allies no longer have to fear a terrorist threat from Afghanistan, and we will do whatever it takes to protect our people.

The United States will press all sides to stay focused on the goal of a peaceful, prosperous, and sovereign Afghanistan and an Afghanistan free of malign foreign interference where all voices and communities are heard and are represented. This is the only way – this is the only way – a sustainable peace can be achieved. And for all of us here, and most importantly for the security of the American and Afghan people, this must happen.

Thank you. (Applause.)

[End Transcript]

[Agreement Link] – [Signed Agreement Link]

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Following the official signing ceremony U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo held a news conference to discuss details of the peace agreement between Washington and the Taliban.

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[Transcript] – SECRETARY POMPEO: Good afternoon, everyone. Today is an historic day for the United States of America and the American people. Today, we have taken a decisive step toward peace, real peace in Afghanistan. Just as any worthy journey begins, it is a first step.

Nearly 19 years ago, America embarked on a noble mission to mightily pursue the terrorist perpetrators of the September 11th attacks and their evil supporters and to prevent such a heinous attack from ever happening again. We have achieved great things. We have ensured Afghanistan isn’t a haven for terrorists who can attack us, and we have bettered the lives of Afghan people, for which we are very proud.

Today, political debate in Afghanistan is free and vigorous. Today, more than 9 million students are enrolled in school; 39 percent of them are girls. Today, more than 57 percent of Afghans have access to basic health care, compared to just 9 percent in 2002. And al-Qaida – al-Qaida today – is a shadow of its former self. We have decimated its leadership and now have the Taliban agreeing that al-Qaida must never again find safe haven in Afghanistan.

But just as Afghanistan today isn’t the Afghanistan of 2001, the world of 2020 isn’t the world of 2001 either. Today, the United States faces national security challenges that weren’t even imagined a few years ago, from Iran, from China, from Russia, and elsewhere. President Trump has recognized this new reality. He also saw that our sacrifices and gains in Afghanistan and realized the hard truth that a comprehensive, inclusive, durable peace could only be secured by the Afghan people themselves.

Today, we are realistic. We are seizing the best opportunity for peace in a generation, built on the hard work of our soldiers, diplomats, businessmen, aid workers, friends, and the Afghans themselves.

Today, we are restrained. We recognize America shouldn’t fight in perpetuity in the graveyard of empires if we can help Afghans forge peace.

And we have respect. We believe that the Afghan people are ready to chart their own course forward.

Today, following the first ever weeklong break in fighting in nearly 19 years, I am proud to announce that the United States has secured separate commitments from the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan and the Taliban to hold negotiations for peace.

Very importantly, the U.S.-Taliban agreement entails a promise from the Taliban that terrorists can never again operate from Afghan soil. We make no mistake; the chapter of American history on the Taliban is written in blood that killed many Americans, NATO allies, coalition partners, and many Afghans.

I am just as angry over 9/11 as I was the day I watched al-Qaida knock down the Twin Towers on TV. Our valiant servicemembers, intelligence warriors, and world-class diplomats who have served in Kandahar and in Helmand and all over Afghanistan know firsthand what I mean. They know what I mean exactly.

And we know exactly who we’re dealing with. If the Taliban do not uphold their commitments, President Trump and his team will not hesitate to do what we must do to protect American lives.

If, on the other hand, the Taliban abide by their promises, the United States will undertake a responsible, conditions-based troop withdrawal. That withdrawal means that our men and women in uniform will incur fewer risks, our financial burden will be eased, and our brave troops will return home.

This is a hopeful moment, but it’s only the beginning. There is a great deal of hard work ahead on the diplomatic front.

Finally, let me speak directly to those invested in Afghanistan.

First, to America’s military and intelligence warriors, I know that some of you may be on your fifth or sixth tours of duty, maybe even more, far from the comforts of home. As the CIA director, it was my honor to join you in dealing blow after blow to this vicious enemy. Many of you wear black and silver bracelets in tribute to your brothers and sisters who died so that your countrymen might live in peace and security.

We will not squander what they and you have won through blood, sweat, and tears. You’ve kept America safe alongside our allies and Afghan partners. You’ve helped give the people of Afghanistan this opportunity for a brighter future.

Second, to our NATO allies and other coalition partners who have sacrificed right alongside of us, we will continue to look to you and to all countries which support these agreements to help maintain this nascent peace. Whether it’s Norway or Australia or Japan or any of our other valued friends and partners, we know you share our cautious hope.

To Afghanistan’s neighbors, including Pakistan, we thank you for your efforts in helping reach these historic agreements and make clear our expectation that you will continue to do your part to promote a peaceful and prosperous Afghanistan so that the country and region can reap the benefits of lasting peace.

And to the Afghan people, this is your moment. Wars have tortured your country since 1979. No more violence. No more chaos. We’ll listen, listen to the voices of all – young and old, men and women, from every region, from every tribe, from every ethnicity, and from every religion. Factions will undoubtedly emerge that want to spoil our good work. We must call them out and reject their schemes for discord.

I’ll close by urging all parties to heed the wisdom of the pursuit of peace that’s found in Scripture: “Whoever of you loves life and desires to see many good days, keep your tongue from evil and your lips from telling lies; turn from evil and do good; seek peace and pursue it.”

Today, we have sought peace. We will continue to pursue it. Thank you, and I am happy to take a few questions.

♦MS ORTAGUS: Thanks. We’ll start with Francesco Fontemaggi, AFP.

♦QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. Secretary. I wanted to know exactly what will make you stop the withdrawal if the Talibans don’t respect their agreement. Is it counterterrorism commitments, or is it the outcome of the negotiations, intra-Afghan negotiation, meaning that the timeline for the complete withdrawal is 14 months? Would they have to complete an agreement, intra-Afghan agreement by then, or just make progress in their negotiations? Thank you.

SECRETARY POMPEO: So we’ve spent many months getting to where we are today, and there are a set of interlocking understandings, implementation agreements, that are clearly spelled out. I am confident that each party that’s been part of this – the Afghan Government, ourselves, the Taliban – understands precisely the commitments that they have made and the response – not only the response about the speed and magnitude of the withdrawal of not only American but coalition forces, but the other elements of support that the United States provide. We’ve made commitments to continue to provide that security assurances for the Afghan Government, but it is our very expectation that the Taliban will live up to their commitments.

But no one should be surprised. The United States will do whatever it takes to keep the American people safe. And so to the extent the Taliban fail to live up to their commitments, President Trump is as committed to peace as he is to ensuring that the American people never suffer an attack again from Afghanistan.

MS ORTAGUS: Thanks. We’ll have Qatar TV now, Abdulla Al-Muraiki.

♦QUESTION: (Via interpreter) I’ll just translate very quick. How do you —

SECRETARY POMPEO: Thank you.

♦QUESTION: (Via interpreter) Your Excellency, how do you assess the role of Qatar as an ally to the United States in various issues in the region and beyond?

SECRETARY POMPEO: So the nation of Qatar has been an enormously important partner to get us to this very moment. When we have hit bumps in the road, they have helped smooth them out. They have agreed to host a significant piece of the conversations that have taken place that have built out on the set of agreements that you see today. We appreciate that and we thank them.

I had a chance to meet with the Amir as well as with my counterpart today to thank them for the work that they have done as well as to make clear to them that we have every expectation they will continue to help us as we move along this path towards peace. They have been great partners in getting to this point, and we’re counting on them to continue their efforts to deliver for the Afghan people this enormous opportunity that this moment brings.

MS ORTAGUS: Thank you. Christina Ruffini, CBS News.

♦QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. Secretary. Secretary Esper, as everyone knows, is in Kabul signing a joint declaration with President Ghani, and I am wondering if that means that the U.S., that you recognize his election victory, because the statement that came out from the State Department said it was noted, but are you recognizing him as the president of Afghanistan going forward?

And my second question is: Why did you feel the need to be here to be present at the signing today, and why come all the way here and not sign the document yourself? Thank you, sir.

SECRETARY POMPEO: Yeah, the document was signed by the two gentlemen who had worked so diligently to execute it, who had worked tirelessly, who had sacrificed so much of their time and effort and who’d put the real energy into being on the ground to get us to this point. It was appropriate that the two negotiators, the two senior negotiators, execute the document that they had delivered for the benefit of the Afghan people.

I wanted to be here because this is a historic moment. This is a historic opportunity. I served as a soldier. I know the sacrifices that so many of our young men and women have made in Afghanistan, and I am determined – I am determined – to reduce their risk, to create fewer young men and women who are on their fourth and fifth and six trip to Afghanistan. I am determined to ensure that there are fewer young men and women sitting at Walter Reed and there are fewer young men and women that never return home to their families.

And that I am equally determined to make sure that there is never again a terror attack from Afghanistan. And I think we now sit on the precipice of a real opportunity, and I want to make sure that I personally do everything that I can to help our State Department get off on the right foot as we begin the difficult diplomatic effort that can lead to this peace that we’re seeking.

I talked for a moment about the changes, the transitions that have taken place in Afghanistan during our time there. This is a very different country than it was when the United States went there to seek revenge for what happened in New York on 9/11. This country is very different. We’ve done enormous work.

The American people have sacrificed a great deal, not only the blood of our soldiers but resources, time, all of the work that the intelligence teams, our diplomats have done on the ground. I wanted to be here to express my appreciation for all we have done over these decades and then to make sure that everyone understood how important this is to get this right, to be here to communicate that the United States is committed to helping the Afghans push this process forward.

Your first question really gets to the political process inside of Afghanistan. We’re going to need every Afghani to join in. I talked about this in my remarks. They’re all going to have to be committed. They’re all going to understand there is something far bigger than being about themselves. They’ve got to deliver for the Afghan people.

The Afghan people want peace. You can see it. If you saw the pictures, Christina, from this week, it was glorious to watch Afghan people walking through the streets – they haven’t been able to do that – to see them dancing and celebrating peace.

The Afghan people are thirsting for the very opportunity that we have now presented to them, and every Afghan leader needs to look deep into their soul and deliver this peace for Afghanistan. It is time. The opportunity is in front of us.

We now have commitments from the Taliban to break with al-Qaida. This is historic. They need to live up to those commitments. They’ve made commitments to continue to reduce the violence level. They need to live up to those commitments.

When they do that, they will find that there is opportunity in this place, that the international community is demanding that Afghanistan be a peaceful place, and the Afghan people richly deserve the opportunity that has been created today. And I wanted to be here to communicate that.

Thank you all very much for being with me today.

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133 Responses to U.S. and Islamic Republic of Afghanistan Sign Joint Peace Agreement – U.S. Military Will Reduce Military Forces…

  1. dcnnc says:

    Excellent. Been nothing but a waste of blood and treasure in a baron wasteland.

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    • Caius Lowell says:

      When I was in AFG 10 years ago, some General told me that in 10 years I would be able to look back and say, “I helped build that.” Not sure this is what he meant…

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      • Ted Koehl says:

        With all due respect to your service, to all the others who have served and those still in-country serving; the general issue is we have politicians who start wars without ever fighting in them, without risk to themselves or their families or their fortunes; and after the US Military wins as we fully expect them to do so, the feckless politicians then change everything to a slowed down policing action.

        It is in these nation building police actions, to me, where our American lives and treasure are squandered. It is why the founders were adamant that the Congress went on record and actually declared war so that the full resources of the nation could back up that will.

        Should we ever have to go to war again, it is my opinion that it should be real war where the enemy loses and that place becomes our place permanently. I am not a warmonger, but right now-since Korea-it seems that we have been taken over by the politically correct who start crap and then leave the average American to finish it, but then they don’t really allow our people to finish it. JMHO

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        • mikeyboo says:

          Personally, I don’t want it to become “our place”. If we have to fight, I want the place to be left permanently uninhabitable.

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        • trialbytruth says:

          Inam of the beleif that in Afghanistan we should have simply killed the enemy and left. If they remuster then rinse and repeat

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        • MGBSE says:

          1. Declare to destroy & defeat the enemy
          2. Attack using everything we’ve got
          3. Invade using everything we’ve got
          4. Defeat quickly w/overwhelming force
          5. Occupy per American standards
          6. Rebuild per American standards
          7. Never EVER allow the UN to have any say in how we protect our National Security or how we fight our attackers

          WE DID THE ABOVE IN WWII IN 5 YEARS AND ON 2 CONTINENTS BECAUSE THE MILITARY WAS IN CHARGE & THE UN DID NOT EXIST.

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          • bluebongo says:

            Your thinking is exactly what got us into this mess. Nation building the Bush way has proven an abject failure. You can’t fix an illiterate nation.

            Destroy, kill, repeat if necessary.

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        • zekness says:

          I concur.

          a failure to plan, is planning to fail.

          the end game is always where you start.

          what does this look like and how do we shape it?

          the reason why victory over germany was successful, is because the US allied forced OCCUPIED AND SET UP A PLAN TO RECOVER GERMANY AND THE REGION to a government that was acceptable, durable and resistant to another freakish experiment in genocide and hostility. It continues to a be one of the most successful post war policies in US history..and while I don’t care much for the current germany government, it has worked generally to prevent the kinds of things that germany had demonstrated twice almost successfully at the peril of the entire free world.

          And “we” accomplished the same result with occupation of Japan and led them to a recovery that benefit them and the US. We have no better trade and military allie than Japan in asia. Not one. This was not some coincidence. It was hard long term effort to make that happen.

          these things were not magical….they were the result of a superior long term plan and lots of compromises…but intelligent compromises.
          ,
          if you wind the clock back afghanistan was of interest for two reasons:

          russian aggression
          but also
          the potential of russia connecting a oil route to the caspian and/or arabian sea.

          these were the threats to destabilizing the national security interest of the US and its allies, having russia play a role in the big game of oil supply.

          where the US failed was to adequately condition a larger effective strategy was that after the russians were sent packing from a secret covert war, that congress privately and inadequately planned, we just exited stage left. Had the US taken a effective strategy in pressing pakistan and Iran to invest, and build a oil line (stealing the opportunity from russia), it’s very likely that we would have an experience in that region similar to post-war germany and Japan. . It was this narrow and thoughtless lack of political will to put any effort in a post-“war” strategy to safe guard the region. We have the US lawmakers and the president at that time, to blame fully for this lack of future view.

          everything that happened from that failure to plan for demobilization into a effective economically viable capitalist model, is the result of that single failure to make a plan and to build that plan in afghanistan.

          I’m not going to remark on vietnam, because it is just too personally painful for me to comment as my father weathered that conflict and I can’t allow myself (yet) to utter the words that political disaster deserves.

          Our troops deserve better. Our Nation has demonstrated the capability and the will to do good in war. And that’s really the only thing that matters. Otherwise, we just might as well just spell it out to new recruits and their families: you will have nothing to show for your sacrifice….but thank you for your service.

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        • Somewhere in Dixie says:

          As a wife of a marine who fought in Vietnam and now is a disabled veteran due to Agent Orange, I couldn’t agree with you more. Let them rot over there and kill each other. The entire region is a menace to the world. They don’t contribute anything of value. The dirty politicians and their sons and daughters should go to the front lines and see what they vote for. Thanks to President Trump we don’t need their oil any longer.

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      • Jainphx says:

        The never ending war may finally be ending! At any rate hes says will bring some troops home! No bring um ALL HOME! Let them build their own country, our country building is over! Thank you President Trump! Bring um home from Iraq! Bring um home from Syria! Just bring um home!

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    • inspectorudy says:

      We should have asked the Russians what they thought about us being there. I believe it would have been answered by, “Ha ha ha!”

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    • spoogels says:

      NO COUNTRY EVER WON A WAR IN AFKAKISTAN
      NOT the mighty British Empire
      NOT the Russias
      NOT America

      Let the savages kill each other
      If they start any crap, drop a few MOABs on them
      Finish

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      • TarsTarkas says:

        Genghis Khan conquered Afghanistan.
        Tamurlane conquered Afghanistan.

        I’ll leave it to your imagination how they ensured the conquest kept. It wasn’t pretty.

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    • Santiago 1314 says:

      Get Out, Next time they start to act Up, Turn the place into a Glowing Glass Factory.!!!

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  2. alliwantissometruth says:

    I’ll believe it when I see it

    The only way Afghanistan becomes civilized is when the people rid themselves of the feral savages in their midst and push themselves out of the dark ages

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    • Trog Luddite says:

      Problem is they haven’t even made it to the dark ages yet ….

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    • not2worryluv says:

      Bottom line is that no one can change he Middle East. Their entire ideology is not acceptable to Western Civilization.
      Let them kill each other – bring our Troops home and stop thinking this “civilization” can be changed.

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      • Somewhere in Dixie says:

        I couldn’t agree with you more. I have been saying the same. Let them kill each other.

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      • jumpinjarhead says:

        Of course Afghanistan is SWA not ME but your point is spot on. We should NEVER again garrison troops in any islamic country, including “allies” like Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Where actual (real ones not “wag the dog” false flag ops) threats emerge, we address them with diplomacy and sanctions if possible and if military force is needed, we use stand off weapons or if absolutely necessary (not just because the “children”want some trigger time), special operations or quick reaction forces WITHOUT establishing a footprint.

        We should also terminate all foreign aid to islamic countries as it will ultimately be used against the US and its interests.

        The US government needs to stop lying to us about the true nature of islam—it is not a “‘mere” peaceful religion just like any other and the violence is only by a “few” radicals.

        It is in fact a brutal all-encompassing ideology that has as its ultimate goal a global totalitarian caliphate where infidels are either dead or enslaved. There can be no peaceful coexistence or “peace” in the long term and continued lying by our government imperils all of us.

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        • spoogels says:

          YES
          NO FOREIGN AID
          They steal it all
          Charity begins at home and we need to help our poor
          Let rich Muslime countries like Kuwait and Qatar and Saudi pay them

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        • DC bloods*ckers won’t stop foreign aid because many of them are skimming off it and getting rich like Bidens, Pelosis, Kerries and etc.

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        • phillip jeffreys says:

          Sounds a lot like Obama’s strategy: targeted assinations.

          The flaw in the strategy is two-fold: they are already here in the US; the damage will not be confined to the ME. So the challenge becomes how to monitor and contain. The monitoring part is one reason we retain a presence; however exposed.

          Havng been in that part of the world many times, I agree that a reassessment is needed. The strategy employed since WWII has been costly and produced mixed results. Presently, there is no strategy. Let’s start with the proposition that there has been and remains a long-term threat. What is to be done?

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          • jumpinjarhead says:

            Excellent points. Of course this mode of communication, especially when I am using my phone, is not ideal for fulsome discussion of such weighty issues of US national security policy such that only tips of icebergs are communicated.

            We will have to agree to disagree a bit on your first point. First, to clarify the notion of “targeted assassination,” that phrase is actually a nonsequitur in that all “assassinations”are targeted. My real objection to the phrase being applied to what I described as a way forward militarily in that “assassination” connotes in that context an illegal act since “assassination” is usually defined as “murder for political purposes.”

            In contrast, no matter how much a military operation looks like “assassination” in a Hollywood-sense (stealth, suppressed weapons, men in black etc.), it is NOT but rather a lawful (under international and domestic law) killing as long as the target was “legitimate” (e.g., a “combatant,” whether “privileged”

            As to the fact we already have islamist threats here, that in no way negates the strategy I outlined for foreign military interventions. Rather, we should deal with domestic threats in accordance with our Constitution of course but also “robustly.”

            In this regard, our own government, again sadly even still after Trump’s election (showing more of the Deep State’s persistent stranglehold on much of our government, especially law enforcement and the military) needs to stop lying when it falsely but quite deliberately says the greatest internal threat to the nation is from “right wing extremists” (some sources add white and males). That was the clear agenda of Barack Hussein Obama and His “wing man” to further marginalize conservatives, especially those “deplorables” that He and progressivists wanted the nation to equate to Timothy McVeigh

            The actual greatest threat to the nation domestically, beyond the Deep State itself, are islamists who seek to destroy America as founded and as we know it, whether by violence or, perhaps as importantly as we are seeing, through focused “flooding” of targeted electoral districts to gain control of local governments and put islamists in Congress..

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      • zekness says:

        a defeated german empire and a defeated Japanese empire ..equally perverse in its former establishment in government rule AND culture suggests otherwise.

        islam can be defeated….the radical side of it can indeed be destroyed.

        post-war, restoring industry and installing provisional governments with security forces with a heavy dose of capitalism performs a great and resounding durable effect on defective cultures and practices.

        this is what is missing with afghanistan and to be clear many other rogue nations that are direct threats to US national security.

        the moment when the young fella can make a good living, feel the warm embrace of connecting hard work with a reward of his own can overcome many freakish experiments.

        afghanistan is NOT a poor country…it is RICH in many raw materials, and it is can be a massively important trade route between several powerful economies.

        if US policy is to be legitimate to honorable nation building, we have that opportunity now to change the course of history in that country. It would be remarkable and it would make a lasting tribute to the reality that a great and many people have died there …that alone should be a motivation to correct the history and not make it any more of a shameful damned waste of human life. America can develop this country and it can enjoy the economic benefits shared in doing that investment. It just takes some backbone in congress to set out a plan and stick to it for more than one budget cycle.

        I dream….very American Dreams.

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        • Donzo says:

          At the moment we are trying to save our own American Dream. Only the Israelis have turned a barren dessert into a fertile democracy. AFG is centuries from any western-inspired model and it’s a conceit to believe otherwise.

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          • Donzo says:

            Desert

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          • zekness says:

            AFG has never tasted the freedom of capitalism..

            and frankly US policy never invested the effort.

            I don’t disagree with its ancient culture…but that is a symptom of a disease that can be cured.

            Israel is most certainly now the only country in that broad region to erect a durable state.

            in fact, if you wind the clock back, AFG was quite a sophisticated and modern state, pre-1976…..it all went downhill with 2 consequential disasters….one from russia, compounded with the US leaving the scene of the crime, creating a vacuum for the tribal warlords who NEVER had a level of power seen before.

            But here we are…with the President signing a significant deal with AFG that may (big IF) reduce the aimless zero end game war we have been playing for 2 decades?

            I just think that the next step is some limited trade deals to get a significant pipeline infrastructure in motion..it’s seems too big…but we have a president who doesn’t have the word impossible in his vocabulary either.

            we shall see

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    • Raptors2020 says:

      Five minutes after the Americans arrived in Afghanistan, the Afghans most pressing imperative was to drive out the foreign invaders. They never really heard a word we said.

      By the way, that was the same engine that drove the American Civil War; even southerners opposed to slavery (very few people actually owned slaves) were eager to fight to push out the northern invaders.

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      • JohninMK says:

        We the British found that out as well to our considerable cost starting nearly 200 years ago.

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        • joshashland says:

          Elphinstone ? Kyber Pass?

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          • California Joe says:

            Elpinstone was a feeble old idiot and believed the Afghan Chieftains that they would give him safe passage. He was the wrong leader for the wrong battle. The best book on the battle is, of course, FLASHMAN! In fact, the entire FLASHMAN series by George Macdonald Frasier is spectacular. Every major British engagement and a few American ones are covered even better than the Sharpe’s series.

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    • spoogels says:

      Let them kill each other
      Saves the US from doing it
      Theyve been killing each other for centuries.
      Who are we to intervene?

      Meanwhile-Bolton and Graham the warmongers
      Trump ally Graham and ex-aide Bolton voice concerns over Taliban deal

      Senator ‘very suspect of the Taliban’, ex-national security adviser slams ‘Obama-style deal’ and Democrats call for oversight

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/29/us-taliban-agreement-reaction-pompeo-trump-allies

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  3. OhNoYouDont says:

    Pompeo 2024!!

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    • Pompeo is not “pure” enough.
      I’m going for Don jr but if not him then it’s got to be Devin Nunes with the common sense that farmers exhibit and the morality we need and that he already has shown us/////Jim Jorden for vp…he is a tenacious fighter and a winner

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    • OhNoYouDont says:

      You’re right, I stand corrected.

      I was going to post I meant Don Jr in 2024 with Pompeo as VP earlier, but did not select the “post comment” selection ….

      I checked his net worth, just over $300,000 so doesn’t have the “popularity” yet, may have a tough time raising funds for a presidential run.

      Give Pompeo credit that he has not running a “Clinton Foundation” tpe of scam while heading the State Department.

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  4. TradeBait says:

    No more nation building if attacked, please. Destroy and let the survivors figure it out.

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  5. William the Comptroller says:

    Wait for Taliban goons to storm the government buildings and kill all the feckless and corrupt “leaders” after we leave then MOAB them all when they are all in a big square celebrating. BOOM! Then tell the surviving townsfolk of Kabul to drop the “Islamic State” part in front “Afghanistan “.

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  6. 4EDouglas says:

    Good leave nothing useful behind,Afghanistan is a graveyard of empires.
    Hindus Moguls,Persians,British even Mongols had a hard time with the Afghans.
    the only way to win is:'”pull back and nuke it from orbit.” While the Afghans are digging out..

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  7. William the Comptroller says:

    hopefully the corona virus spreads to Kabul and Helman from IS goons coming in from Iran. At least the WHO won’t have to waste scarce future vaccines on the Afghans since they still regularly kill altruistic foreign health workers trying protect their inbred kids from polio. Afghanistan will remain the Taint of Asia for another 1000 years.

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  8. Paprika says:

    This is a great effort and step forward. Let’s see what time will tell as to the overall success of this agreement. I’m not confident any deal with the Taliban will work, but I am hopeful it has a chance of working. Kudos to PT and Sec. Pompeo for giving their all to make something reasonable work and end the hostilities!

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    • jumpinjarhead says:

      I admire your hopefulness but I fear it is premised on a rather inaccurate view/assumption that the US has dealt with rational people on the other side of this “deal.” My experience in fighting islamists for many years tells me any such deal based on presumed rationality of the parties with an expectation everyone will abide by its terms out of a rational appraisal of their own self-interest will be honored only in the breach by islamists.

      The US and most of the rest of the “west” continue their delusion or being aware of the realities, act otherwise out of some strange brew of political correctness and I suppose wishful thinking. This will not end well, if not in the short term, certainly the long term.

      The Taliban, like many other islamic groups, thinks and acts in accordance with their long term (decades and longer) strategy and desired end state (a global totalitarian caliphate where infidels are killed or enslaved) whereas we in the “west” think and act more for the short term (often coinciding with political terms of years). They also are good at 3 dimensional chess in developing and executing strategies to further their goals while we mostly are playing checkers.

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  9. Vince says:

    This is a big loss for the deep state.

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    • rashomon says:

      Oh yes! All that military budget spent on empire building, which is exactly counter to the morality taught by our Founders. Maybe Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld can now tell us what was going through their pea brains when they went into Afghanistan after watching that country deplete the USSR’s treasury and come out just as strong as ever, but angrier. Our military geniuses led by the neocons — hopefully, they are now gone, gone, gone.

      Plant croci (crocuses) for saffron, not poppies for opium.

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  10. FH says:

    Something… something… something… land war in Asia.

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  11. Mike in a Truck says:

    “Poppies. Poppies. Poppies will put them to sleep.”

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    • OhNoYouDont says:

      I have lost count how many times the “Kill All the Poppies” campaigns occurs, then shortly after it is announced a “bumper crop for poppies” is the result.

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  12. Menotrite says:

    I am glad we are leaving. I applaud the peace effort. If it works out that’s great. If it doesn’t that’s ok also. We should leave anyway. Let them kill each other if that’s what they want to do. If they mess with us again then unleash hell on them and walk away. Like we should have done in the first place. No more nation building.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      “…If they mess with us again then unleash hell on them and walk away…”

      We could do this all day, any day. And should if Afghan warlords and the Taliban want to build their power base on hating and harming America.

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  13. mr. deacon says:

    Find a world map and find Afghanistan. What stands out? Pakistan, China, India, and Iran. Trump has had some dealings recently concerning all of these. All of these places also had some recent issues concerning a place called the Jammu Kashmir Region. Not exactly a small area. The United Kingdom is also involved. There is more to the place than just Afghanistan with their psycho Taliban fanatics and their opium trade. The terrorist highway and supply depots for all things illegal and dangerous was either hidden here or passed straight through these regions. From the State Dept via CNN;
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/31/asia/jammu-kashmir-union-territory-intl-hnk/index.html

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    • mr. deacon says:

      The Taliban want to make nice. Not long ago India moved in hard on the Kashmir region because of terrorists, black markets, etc. Pakistan was in no position to stop them. From day one Trump put out feelers and offers to all to sit down and chew the fat. Talk that trash, spend that cash, make a deal. (Deep State et al go bananas) Trump pulls away from China and opens the door wide open to offers. China wants to sell Pakistan arms and stuff so Pakistan goes to Trump to ok the deal and ask for help dealing with India and for the U. S. to leave Afghanistan so they can both go that direction easier toward trade with China away from crossing India and Kashmir. India wants U.S. arms and money and contracts and goes to Trump. Trump offers this deal. India and Pakistan get some trade agreements that China once had. India and Pakistan have joint control again of Kashmir area and India gets some boot. The U.S. pulls out of Afghanistan and Pakistan clamps down hard on the Taliban terrorism, heroin, the weapons black market, human trafficking etc.
      India signs the treaty with Pakistan who grabs The Taliban by the short hairs and the Taliban calls Pompeo to make a deal. The Dems and media go ape.

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  14. Mike Robinson says:

    The US military knew 19 years ago that “military victory was impossible,” and that “the Taliban” was never an army that could be defeated. The only thing that we knew or therefore really cared about was that endless war is endlessly lucrative.

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  15. magoo622 says:

    How about lure them in as we withdraw. Pull a Pincer move and surround them as they take over the territory, capture/kill them and establish the largest Pig farm to dispose of them (Mob bosses have done this for decades). My original thought was to put there heads on pikes (i.e Vlad the Impaler) in the pig farm but I like feeding them to the pigs for obvious reasons. Film it and put it on Discovery, BBC and Al Jazeera. Too Much?

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    • magoo622 says:

      But I like JDT’s approach. Promises made promises kept. Get our guys back home. And if obligations from Tali;s not realized….hell hath no fury like a nation scorned and it wont take 19 yrs next time. 12 more years and clean the swamp forever.

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  16. Kirsty I says:

    Am I alone in thinking that signing a peace treaty with the terrorist forces that the current administration used to their benefit and ultimately encouraged, through sending troops to
    train them” and taxes to keep them, is a little…
    ironic?

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    • CountryDoc says:

      Current administration, Kirty? You mean obama administration?

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Hey, one day the Palestinians will sign something too.

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    • nimrodman says:

      Yes, we just signed a treaty with Taliban/terrorist forces as you say

      But we didn’t “train” them.

      That was Afghanistan government forces we trained, who were allied with us in fighting Taliban and terrorists

      However ineffectually and with many blue on green treachery / attacks on our guys

      Just distinguishing that there are 2 main groups there and we by no means “Trained theTalliban”

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  17. Is Bolton on suicide watch?

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  18. Elle says:

    This is a HUGE news moment and clicking through the Internet, I see it only here and on rantburg. Must be having meetings on how to put a negative spin on it.

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  19. i for one hope corona virus absolutely explodes in afghanistan. f’em.

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  20. Zippy says:

    Prediction – Taliban will violate provisions and the massively corrupt central government which barely controls it’s own capitol will fall. Same situation as with South Vietnam.

    Since this was going to happen anyway, I’m not saying we shouldn’t get out. We should have gotten out as soon as the post-9/11 operations were concluded and relied on remote surveillance and drone strikes since then.

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    • JohnCasper says:

      No matter how much longer, another 18 years or another 180 years, the end would be the same.

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      • Zippy says:

        Yup, in a country like that, we should have gotten out 18 years ago.

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      • nimrodman says:

        Yeah, but McMaster and Patraeus and guys like that had those grand theories about how to fight a guerilla insurgency and community policing or whatever the hell their programs were called. They had brochures. And Powerpoint slides. With bullets.

        (aside: I had to give out-briefs on water-resources studies in the 80s and got pulled up short: “Where are your bullets? Ya gotta have bullets.”

        They were right, of course, it’s a form of outlining that is good communication, but at the time all I could tell is that they were real concerned about their bullets).

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Same as right before the Taliban came into power.

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  21. realeyecandy1 says:

    twutter smut as always wants to keep our troops there forever

    Odumbo gave up thousands of ISIS and other fighters but suddenly its BAD to do a prisoner swap

    These people on twutter are crazy

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  22. DaughterofLiberty says:

    My goodness. Within the span of one week, El Presidente the Magnificent has spoken to over 125,000 in India; 10,000 in South Carolina; signed a peace treaty with Afghanistan; made a nomination for DNI director; traveled 1000s of miles; spoken to a few hundred of his friends at CPAC; met with the world’s top viral experts….Meanwhile, Old Joe’s still trying to figure out what state he might be in and the Demonrat usual suspects continue to cook up the next planned take down of the world’s most beloved hero.

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  23. Jase says:

    You can’t help but think that the Trump Administration’s approach to ME conflict – ignore the grunts, but obliterate their terror commanders via targeted strikes – may have served to concentrate a few Taliban minds.

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  24. bessie2003 says:

    This is very encouraging. Of course, a lot of work and trust and commitment, mostly between the government and people of Afghanistan and the Taliban tribe as we remove ourselves so healing can begin; but

    the best part was watching the Fox news channel this morning and Senator Lindsey Graham was practically crying because his beloved war mongering game was being swept away from him and his fellow neo-cons. When I saw his face and heard his comments this morning, even before realizing that this was being signed today, knew something wonderful Trumpian was afoot!

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    • spoogels says:

      SOMEONE-PLEASE text this to miss Lindsay:

      NO COUNTRY EVER WON A WAR IN AFKAKISTAN
      NOT the mighty British Empire
      NOT the Russians
      NOT America

      Let the savages kill each other
      If they start any crap, drop a few MOABs on them

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  25. JohnCasper says:

    Finally, the last chapter of Operation Enduring Insanity.

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  26. JohnCasper says:

    Although we have seen stupid haste in war, there has never been a case of a nation benefiting from a prolonged war.
    – Sun Tzu

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  27. JohnCasper says:

    You can rent an Afghan, but you can’t buy him. His heart belongs to Allah.

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  28. Phil aka Felipe says:

    “I want to start by thanking His Highness Sheikh Tamim for Qatar’s invaluable role as host of these historic talks. His unstinting support, and yours foreign minister, have supported both sides and allowed them to reach this momentous day.”

    Qatar is major benefactor of the International Muslim Brotherhood Movement. Surely, His Highness, the Sheikh was looking out for American interests throughout the negotiations with the Taliban. Wink, wink.

    (Ad Rem, please remove the previous post ‘waiting for moderation’ as I made an error during log in.)

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  29. X XYZ says:

    Promises are made to be broken. (Divorces.)
    So are treaties made to be broken. (War.)
    So are bad laws made to be broken. (Civil unrest.)
    What happens then?

    Promises. promises. All politicians raise that strategy to an art form. And we love playing the game.

    Promiscuity?

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  30. Rowdyone says:

    The President is not receiving enough credit for his departure from previous administrations strategy of boots on the ground occupation and pacification. The Syrian example of strategic confrontation using appropriate weapons and unrestricted rules of engagement to defeat the enemy and then withdrawing is involved as we should ever get. Go in, kick ass and don’t hang around to take names. Some exit strategy, huh? In fact this stratagem can be further refined. Given our standoff weapons capabilities combined with an array of intelligence sources the Air Force and Navy can handle 90% of the terrorist command structure elimination. And if Afghanistan becomes another training center for terrorists what’s better than having the rats all in one place?

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  31. Here is the bible verse that was quoted by Pompeo

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    • yucki says:

      Ps. 34
      12 What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good?
      13 Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.
      14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

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  32. Snow White says:

    Anyone who thinks that peace with these savages still stuck in 7th century is delusional. Agreements mean nothing to these miscreants. Get our troops home and let them kill each other. There will never be peace in the Middle East.

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    • diogenes says:

      That’s not quite true. There will be peace in the middle east when every camel humping Muslim is dead and buried.

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      • Snow White says:

        True Diogenes but that’s seemingly an impossible task. These inbreds have spread all over the western world and causing trouble everywhere they are.

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  33. Rotor says:

    Attacking Afghanistan was not the problem. We were attacked and they deserved every bomb that came their way.
    Staying In Afghanistan was the problem.
    Our military should never be used as nation builders or policemen.
    They exist to sweep through the enemies homeland and leave nothing but burning homes and crying widows.
    I am reassured that our President is committed to this policy.

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  34. Big Jake says:

    My son is due to deploy to Afghanistan in October. I’ve been dreading that day from the moment he told me. Here’s to hoping he never has to.

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  35. I wonder if any of our highly intelligent journalists as reported on this?

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  36. Rocket says:

    Having lived and worked in AFG for 15 months supervising 100 Afghans in a workforce, I am surprised at no mention of Pakistan. In AFG, the war is seen as a Pakistan vs Afghan war with Pakistan performing the “Taliban” part.
    Neither side can be trusted. Corruption is endemic at every level. Even during the fasting of Eid, you will find Afghani’s secretly chowing down on cream cakes (“please don’t tell anyone”). Despite the FACT that it is Allah’s will that made them eat it, they eat in secret!
    Anything they want to do will be ascribed to Allah’s will. As I used to ask, “Surely having infidels in your country is Allah’s will too?” Any agreement with the USA will be broken when Allah’s will dictates.
    Interestingly, many Afghani’s do not like ‘the dirty arabs in the middle east’. Afghanistan is in Central Asia and the Afghan’s see a distinct difference.
    My most trustworthy Afghani worker would not let his wife open their blinds at home when she was alone. (“What would the neighbours think”.) The most western-styled Afghani I knew thought kissing was unnatural. Butchering on the street or in their housing compound is so common, no wonder decapitations are not surprising.
    All-in-all, their beliefs are light years away from ours, and they think we are the ones with the odd beliefs. Boys are raped daily, animals and women tortured. We really need to get the FiretrUCK out of there. AFG had 20 years to get their self defence in order, and still haven’t done it. The ISAF still turn away from the growing of poppys and the production of drugs. No western military should be on the ground anywhere there – satellite and bombs will do.

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    • paper doll says:

      I’ll just point out the British empire not could over come Afghanistan and it broke the USSR. Afghanistan is called the graveyard of empires…..glad we are getting out.

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    • jumpinjarhead says:

      Thanks for adding another realistic experiential view to the thread. While I would not actually wish it even on a progressivist, being in any islamic country (even the gaudiest once you get away from the western veneer) will amply demonstrate the sickening truth of what you and I and some others have been trying to communicate in these threads.

      The average well-meaning American cannot come even close to fathoming the extent and depth of spiritual darkness, depravity, violence and unspeakable and abject cruelty to humans and animals alike that pervades these (literally in my view and belief? God-forsaken places.

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  37. JIM COMEY IS A WEASEL_DOUG says:

    God bless the men and women of our ALL VOLUNTEER military who fought and were killed or wounded in that $hithole of a country trying to make it a better place. These Taliban monsters are evil personified and lying $hit bags.

    I feel for the good people in Afghanistan who just want a better life, and those who suffered and died right along side our brave soldiers. I wish we could fix that place but it’s too broken. I wouldn’t trade one of our boys for 1,000 of yours.

    Bring em home.

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  38. jumpinjarhead says:

    From my humble experience actually fighting islamists for 10 years as a Marine and PMC, IMHO we should have been totally out of Afghanistan and every other islamic country about 18 years ago. NOTHING good comes from our military “involvement” with islamists who revert back to their preferred 7th century brutality and totalitarian control as soon as the US or other outside military leaves.

    So many lives, limbs and so much treasure WASTED.

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  39. GGHD says:

    For quite a few believers in the Jihad of War in Afghanistan, the period of peace will just be a waiting period. … The USA is dealing with a Religious people, that believe the Jihad of War is a good path to Paradise. … Hopefully, with the USA withdrawal, the Religious Jihadists will start to Jihad against the Afghanistan Opium Business.

    Fortunately, the USA has a President with has an inner understanding of the Power of Religion. Unfortunately, too many ~other Americans, now days, think Religion is just a form of Yokel Hucksterism.
    Lord have Mercy on the USA!

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  40. hawkins6 says:

    There are many potentially positive outcomes with this decision to finally “Give Peace a Chance” in Afghanistan. P Trump should be widely praised for this attempt whether it succeeds or fails. If it fails, mass targeted attacks can follow. The Taliban leaders and any other leader or aspiring Soleimani like wannabe terrorist looking for an opportunity to form another ISIS type group should be well aware of this

    If no other intrepid American soldier is shot in the back and killed by an alleged Afghan ally they were training, then it will be a great achievement.

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    • jumpinjarhead says:

      I wish I could share your optimism but my experience fighting islamists for 10 years tells me otherwise.

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      • TarsTarkas says:

        The Taliban are a horrid excrescence on the bum of Islam, and that’s saying a lot considering the other boils there. What they did to women was especially terrible even by Islamic standards. But they were not a danger to this country until they let Al-Qaeda use them as a spring-board to attempt world conquest. If the Taliban returns to its pre Ben Ladin isolationist foreign policy, this might work. I don’t know how well it will work for the Taliban oppresses. Having served there you would have a better idea of their goals and methods.

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        • jumpinjarhead says:

          I think in many respects you are correct. I just think far too Many Americans, many very well intentioned, suffer from a similar misperception(if he was really being honest—a very big if) to that of GWB. Much of his policy toward the islamist (and other 3rd world countries) world was that I’f you scratched a. Islamist hard enough a rational, enlightened, fair and open-minded American would emerge.

          As a general belief and expectation, Nothing, and I do mean nothing, could be further from the truth. In point of fact, whether voluntarily or as coerced by one’s tribe (and that is another aspect totally lost on most Americans—that these islamist “cultures” are tribal in every way), the average islamist prefers the islamist system of totalitarian sectarian-veneered rule through brutality and violence. Like a dog to his bone or vomit, the islamist will always return to the 7th century darkness of islam.

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          • TarsTarkas says:

            Americans aren’t hard enough or ruthless enough to impose their culture over there. You’d need an almost Genghis Khan level of brutality to make it stick even temporarily. For a culture to change it must do it more or less voluntarily. Consider Japan after Commodore Perry’s visit. Despite being a shut-in nation they were very much aware how the British using superior technology had humiliated the once powerful Qing dynasty in the Opium Wars (the second one was ongoing at the time of Perry’s visit). Rather than suffer the same fate the Japanese chose to Westernize, at least superficially, and now they are basically a Western culture with a strong Japanese flavor.

            I don’t see anything like that happening in Afghanistan or most of the ME anytime soon. The best we can hope for is and encourage is some sort of representative government, at least at a tribal chieftain council level, where the chieftains all get together and hash out their differences. Or don’t and fight. Just insist, by force if necessary, that they keep their disputes local.

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            • jumpinjarhead says:

              I agree with your first and last sentences especially. As for the notion we can “ encourage is some sort of representative government,” not so much as far as our having any lasting positive influence in that regard. Indeed that is “sort of” the system they used prior to outside intervention by the Soviets.

              As to your first sentence, I have to laugh, for wont of a more negative reaction, when a I read posts to the effect we should “just go wipe them (whatever the Islamic flavor of the month is whether Taliban, ISIS, Boko Haram etc.) out” etc.

              First, as history demonstrates usually at the ultimate cost to the attacker, it is pretty much impossible to “wipe out” an ideology by trying to kill all its adherents.

              Second, and more to your point, there is no way the US or any other “western” nation or coalition would ever adopt the kind of indiscriminate, “total” warfare that would be needed to even come “close” to “wiping out”,an islamic group, much less a nation. Not only would it be “illegal” under established norms of international law, but the citizenry of the attacking nations would howl to high heaven as the imagery of what that kind of warfare actually does on the ground. We (should) have learned from the Vietnam War fiasco (and other lesser ones like Beirut and Somalia) that once a substantial majority of the citizenry becomes generally mobilized against a particular military adventure, ignominious withdrawal, effectively in defeat, soon follows.

              As to your last sentence, that is the way forward in my humble opinion. As I have said, the US should never (EVER) again intervene militarily in the affairs of any islamic country—no matter what horrors occur strictly within its borders.

              When (it will never be if—contrary what our own government, sadly even including PT, and various propagandist groups like CAIR keep telling us, whether we like it or admit it or not, we are engaged in an existential, zero sum conflict with islam—NOT merely some ill-defined subset(s) such that there will always be threats arising) a legitimate (as opposed to some politically motivated one) threat to our national security is identified that is not amenable to lesser measure to address (sanctions etc.), we eliminate it using stand off weapons or if absolutely (for real, not just to give some overeager warriors trigger time) necessary, with special operations or quick reaction forces. Once the threat is addressed, ALL US military personnel withdraw leaving no even semi-permanent footprint.

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              • Kulak69 says:

                Jarhead – I really like YOUR last sentence, with the proviso that there are additional Vietnam lessons we still must learn: 1) Clear, meaningful and comprehensive victory conditions for the fight, 2) Clear, effective ROEs focused on the lethality and security of our people, not the enemy and 3) Be-no self-imposed sanctuary borders defining the combat zone, a.k.a. Cambodia, a.k.a Pakistan. The locals need to help, follow, get out of the way, or be treated as enemy; pick one. Even in Vietnam, the Foggy Bottom paranoia over “escalation” was overwrought. Do what’s necessary to achieve item #1. Then hand the keys to non-military agencies for non-military follow-through.

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                • jumpinjarhead says:

                  Agreed with the proviso that THE strategic objective (e. g., what is the actual desired end state for the use of military force?) is clearly identified before any deployment of forces and that all subsequent actions be determined in the context of how each contributes to the achievement of the objective without regard to perceived of anticipated political consequences.

                  Separate from the unforgivable lies told by our own government that precipitated our escalation from a limited advisory role to full scale war (Gulf of Tonkin “incident” etc.), the primary reason for our defeat was the abject failure of our civilian and even worse our military leaders to deciding upon a clear strategic objective. This led to the tings to which you allude, especially mission creep and flawed ROE.

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        • hawkins6 says:

          Tars: I was also wondering whether the Taliban will try to resurrect their slave like policies against women, the body bag female clothing requirements, their rigid no education for girls policy and all there other 7th Century beliefs.

          I guess all of the back shooting Afghan “allied” soldiers that killed their American trainers and allies were pining for such a return. The Taliban still had too much support to ever win a war against them in such a backward country; so leaving with an agreement is worth a try at least. All the soldiers that fought in that dusty hell hole made this “faint hope” peace deal possible and crushed many terrorist groups. Whether the Taliban learned anything positive is in doubt for sure.

          This was 19 year war was doomed to be a police action for decades more with likely the same result whenever an agreement of some kind was made. Only P Trump had the boldness to finally try something different unlike one track Bolton.

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          • TarsTarkas says:

            Jumpinjarhead as an Afghan vet would have a better feel for that, but I personally suspect they would continue to treat women as property. I doubt they ever stopped doing that even when we drove them out of the country after 9/11. Short of chucking the restrictive ROEs and going kill-them-all-and-let-Allah-sort-them-out I don’t see us stopping their horrible practices. I wish we could without resorting to scorched earth.

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  41. dufrst says:

    The real game is between Pakistan and India. Trump’s trip to India was totally about this deal with the Taliban (along with trade talks strategically aimed at decoupling from China). Pakistan sponsors the Taliban. Trump met with Pakistan’s President Imran Khan a few weeks ago in the White House and basically asked him to control the Taliban. Khan undoubtedly insisted on Trump aiding Pakistan with India, who was under Modi, making things very difficult for the muslim population within India and in the disputed Kashmir region. Trump then had to go to India and offer great economic benefits and military deals in return for taking it easy on the muslim population and to leave open the possibility of negotiations on Kashmir. This is what I think happened.

    That the Taliban signed this deal tells me that Trump successfully threaded the needle between Pakistan and India. This deal does not happen if Pakistan is unhappy with Trump’s visit to India. Now the tough part begins. Trump must continue to prod Pakistan to control the Taliban, while bringing India to a focus away from Pakistan in exchange for great economic and military benefits.

    I have continually marveled at the strategic brilliance of Trump. He has been able to achieve so much in foreign policy because he understands who is really moving things. He understood very early that the Taliban were merely a front for Pakistan vying for control of Afghanistan and training radical islamic fighters to be unleashed on India. India has 1.5 billion people and could easily overwhelm Pakistan and now have a president who might actually do that!

    Trump is able to manage all of this to the benefit of the American people. In the end, it will result in US troops being withdrawn totally from Afghanistan and the Taliban keeping foreign terrorist groups such as ISIS out of Afghanistan. And its not only in Afghanistan. He did it masterfully in Syria and Iraq and North Korea. He knows leverage. He knows what he’s doing. Give him the Nobel Peace Price damn it! MAGA!

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    • TarsTarkas says:

      POTUS is not trying to impose Western culture on the ME. That is the big difference between his foreign policy and past policy. He is primarily interested in making the best deal for America. War is wasteful and destructive and bad for business outside of the military-industrial complex. Trade wars are much preferable.

      Pakistan ever since the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan has always been terrified of being sandwiched and crushed between India and a Indian-dominated Afghanistan. Recall that many imperialistic Hindus (thanks to the unification of the subcontinent under the British) consider Pakistan (and Bangladesh) to be properly part of India. That is why Pakistan supports the Taliban.

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    • Kulak69 says:

      Concur with dufrst that Pakistan is the key to the puzzle. Consider also that PDJT’s overt display of US friendship with India offers significant leverage against the Pakis’ tiresome intransigence and perfidy. USA need only quietly hint that India might get everything they want in Pakistan (while we take away the Paki nukes), if the Taliban perch on their Afghan border does not go away in a timely manner.

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  42. X XYZ says:

    So who invited Islam to America?

    Who were the presidents during the time when this happened? It’s very recent, not long ago.

    When did this start, and with whom did it start?
    Think it. Say it. Maybe you voted for them. if you can face knowing it and saying it, tell us who these presidents were.
    Don’t blame it all on Barry Hussein O. He didn’t make this cake. He was only the icing on the cake.

    Our presidents ignored what the crusades were all about, and what Islam is about: Domination of the Western world.

    Some presidents… “did some things”… (Familiar phrase?) Now, thanks to them, we get to live the same ancient struggle with Islam again. We don’t have the secret service to protect us, as they do. Thanks a lot, guys. You recent presidents get to go down in history as our illustrious, influential world leaders. And now, after you have left office, we the people get to deal with the mess you made – both in Europe and in the USA.

    The Uniparty. A pox on both your houses.

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  43. Conservative_302 says:

    I am thankful to God for this. I pray every night for president Trumps safety, protection, for God to guide him to do his good works, and for justice. I hope Trump gets justice, but getting our soldiers out of a war they will never win is huge. Trump is saving lives inside and outside our country. He is doing more than I prayed for. Thank you God for hearing our prayers. Everyday under Trump is a good day.

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  44. Ringmain says:

    I have not decided what to think about this. Two tours in violent provinces and knowledge of the intense tribalism, the criminal networks, and the lack of value placed on human life leaves me skeptical a brokered peace could ever sustain, no matter with whom it was negotiated.

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  45. Summer says:

    Our military doctrine should be simple: no boots on the ground. You attack us, we bomb the $#!T out of your hellhole. You attack again, we do twice as much damage. Still refuse to learn your lesson? Congratulations, your Crapistan is a smoking volcano crater now.

    Diplomacy is for the civilized nations only.

    We shall see how long the goat-raping warlords keep their worthless word. Hopefully, our “intelligence community” found a few minutes in their busy schedule filled with the never-ending endeavors to overthrow the duly elected US President, and applied their persuasive skills to ensure the warlords compliance.

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