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A few weeks ago, I was having a politics conversation with a tech insider. The issue of datacenters became a focus of the conversation. The first response from him was “this is the issue that might decide 2026 and will certainly decide 2028.”
The tech side of the issue is essentially: As 5G wifi was to mobile connectivity, so too are the datacenters the cornerstone of nationwide AI rollout. Eventually, all of the datacenters will interconnect and become part of a massive information system that houses all knowledge, a great digital brain. From that point, engagement with Artificial Intelligence (AI) systems will become like a public utility.
The datacenters themselves can be a hot button issue as their proximity to people creates friction. Battles against datacenters are taking place in rural and non-rural areas alike. With deep pockets and strong national security arguments involving the “AI race,” the technocrats are currently winning the argument. However, as with all special interest issues, the opportunity for political benefit now determines DC advocacy. WATCH:
What are your thoughts on this issue?
Is opposition to datacenters strong enough to tilt the outcome of the 2026 midterms? And do you believe 2028 will be determined with this issue at the forefront?
9-11 was Phase 1. Covid was Phase 2. Datacenters and AI, along with telemetrics and kill switches in all vehicles and flock devices are Phase 3. Total control will be complete. America as we know it will be gone forever. The concept of having jobs will be gone. The concept of building a life will be gone. Getting married, having kids, building the American dream will be gone. Everyone will sit around in their government supplied population density condo , collecting some weird kind of digital “credits” instead of money and scrolling online gambling sites on your government supplied phone, while waiting for your free weed delivery dropped by an AI drone. If you’re Ok with that because you like tech, you are not an American. If you want another civil war, this will bring it.
I bit melodramatic and you’re not calculating God into the equation.
Yes, the world will end. That’s part of the big picture, but we don’t know when.
God will call time, just as in Genesis, this Tower of Babel will be destroyed.
Just like there were holes in covid – we did not all get jabbed, there are holes in the rollout of AI. People keep some cars running for 20 plus years. There will be plenty of cars without remote control for at least another decade. Some millenials are having many children and home schooling them all. A lot of the newest generation are rejecting the “liberated” lifestyle for traditional – for working dad, stay-at-home/work-from-home mom. They tried digital currency in one country and had to give it up because it was not workable.
Sundance says we are in every conference room every industry, etc. There are plenty of tech workers that can break what they might build to control us. There’s also the Q-day, I was reading about. When Quantum Computing becomes available at scale, all current encryption will no longer be strong enough to maintain corporate security or phone or PC security. It will all become breakable by those with access to quantum computing. This tech is probably 5-10 years away.
AI and robotics are not going to make everyone jobless. There are already functions deemed more cost effective when done by humans than robots. It will take decades for that to change.
One can only hope. ALL won’t be jobless, but I would guess 150 million of us will be. I’m not worried about myself, It’s my grown kids and my brand new Grandson I worry about. As for cars, they have increased the methanol content above which older vehicles can run on. So, buying an old car won’t work. They are forcing us to buy the new spy cars. I should say, “subscribe” to the new spy cars. Yes, the Telemetrics can be removed, or disconnected for now, but your insurance company will drop you like a hot potato. And no other company will insure you. Also, in states like mine, PA, with State Inspections, your car won’t pass inspection if the spy devices are disconnected. I intend to install a switch that I can control when the spybox can operate. “you will own nothing and like it.” me? I intend to fight, I only wish President Trump would do the same. I voted for him three times, he has yet to fulfill his campaign promises. Is the Wall even completed yet? Is Hillary in jail? Has anyone been arrested yet? Has the swamp been drained of even one drop yet? Does the sea eye aaahy still exist? Is the DoJ cleaned out? Has the deep state been obliterated yet? The Secret Service is about as competent as the Three Stooges, yet POTUS makes the moron in charge at Butler the boss! Is the administrative state weaker today than in 2015? Promises made, few kept. So far. I’m sorry, I’ve been a Trump guy from Day 1, I’ve been a Treeper since before he ran the first time, but I’m so disappointed in him. I had high expectations for his 2nd term. Especially after his disastrous 1st term where he got literally hurled from office via a bloodless coup. And nobody has been held to account for that either! SMH! Please, if I’m wrong, show me. I’ve been in the political game for 50 years, but I’m always willing to learn. I want Trump to succeed! I want my country back! But, something has happened. He is not the same Trump. He seems to be a “kinder & gentler” Trump. I want the lion back! Am I wrong?
Nope you are not wrong…..something has changed with PT, not the same. All these terrific big changes he is making to the world order , trade, security, our economy will be for nothing when dems get back in office. PT has got to get rid of the rot. They will come after him when out of office that is if he hasn’t cut a deal with the deep state. But doesn’t he know by now they lie?
Thanks. I agree. What he’s doing now is indeed a great thing, I think. But if the seditious traitors remain free to operate against us, then it’s all for nothing. There are LEGAL ways he can round up hundreds of corrupt traitors all at once if he wanted to. I understand his desire to make deals, I’ve been in business for 50 years. I get it. But those kinds of deals won’t work in DC. And they certainly don’t work with radical islamist headchoppers. What is he thinking? I know, he wants to get cozy with the Saudis and others, fine, but that is no reason to lose your mind over it. If we do our job properly, we don’t need to care if the arabs like us. Where are the Knights Templar when you need them?
Totally agree.
How is it any different from right now, except the druggies move at night and sleep during the day? At least half, if not 3/4 of our young people are unemployable, even if there WERE any entry level jobs. They cannot get their eyes off their phones. Kids sit and fumble, jiggle, twiggle, tap their shoes, fidget, cannot speak above a whisper, say they are bored incessantly,, cannot stand on their feet for more than 30 seconds, and cannot read, understand instruction, are openly defiant upon hearing any polite and reasonable instruction and basically get their own way all the time and are extremely upset whenever thwarted in their quest. We are doomed. Middle-aged children move at a snail’s pace, cannot plan or think ahead, unless they are conceiving of a way to get out of doing any kind of task, waiting to get a look at their phone. They sit in their living rooms, staring into space. We need boot camps from birth and then it will still take 15 years from now to get any results.
I have 9 delightful personable intelligent and engaging homeschooled children without devices. Keep the faith.
Four here – the future of our country.
We can live in love and hope or live in doom and hopeless.
Those in Christ are never hopeless.
Thank you. A bastion of civilization for the future!
I raised 6 homeschooled highly intelligent children. They were not fenced off from the toxic world, but they didn’t marinate in it either. 4 are now married with children of their own – 16 grandkids so far. But they don’t seem to get what is going on and how important it is. I know they are all busy, been there and done that. I could go on and on about my analysis of why they just surf along in the poisonous waves of our culture, but the bottom line is that they don’t see that the world has ended as even they previously knew it, and the new one emerging is one of near total control. The digital prison is almost built. I don’t care about being called pessimistic, I only care about having a clear eyed view of what is going on. Personally, I believe that a lived Christianity – centered on Christ and sacrificial in nature – is the U.S.’s and, even more so, the world’s only hope. Ultimately, I know God wins in the end, but there will be a lot of pain getting there.
My 18-year-old son has ADHD and anxiety disorder. He also has two loving, happily married (26 years) parents at home that helped him become an A/B student looking to pursue a career in LE. The problem is the lack of FATHERS. I coached his JV baseball team last year. Shocking that only 4 dads would show up to games out of 11 boys. They disrespected me at times and were jealous of my son who was a transfer to the school and didn’t grow up with any of them. This year on varsity was worse. I never played favorites with him. He was a solid player but not the best.
These boys need their dads at home. The fathers are the biggest part of the problem, along with mothers who easily divorce them out of selfishness. We need strong families.
My son was the only boy around who had a father in the home. Many of the boys never knew their fathers. Most of the women that I grew up with had children without fathers even though they themselves were raised in whole families with both parents present and often with a stay at home mom. I was mostly raised in Connecticut. I’m assuming that says it all?
That is exactly why the “progressives” and their policies have been on a full frontal assault on the family unit for over a century. AFDC was created to incentivize fatherless households and encourage men to behave badly. No fault divorce is a direct intervention in a spiritual bond. These policies have been wildly succesful.
The topic is the election effect of data centers. I fail to see how ADHD, baseball and fatherless families relates.
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Human beings are prone to manipulation with fear. It appears you are deeply affected Maxx. No John, the world is not going to end. You cannot kill nature and the soul is immortal. What will end is life as we know it, as we remember it. The future is alive and well, yet unknown to us at the moment. But hey. isn’t that the journey of life, making known the unknown? Inventing, discovering, adventuring. Best to forget what once was and make the leap to dream of the Golden Age. That is what is at hand and no one knows how we get there, only that we will. God Wins.
I would love to hear how you think these all fit into place. I have my thoughts on 911, Covid was blatant attempt at social control and the theft of an election. AI, is a whole different animal, and if guard rails are not placed around it the potential for devastation is great. My fear is the left using it to cheat in elections and fraudulently raise money from foreign entities. Hold On, they didn’t need Ai for that, just a lazy GOP to ignore it.
First post, bear with me.
I’m certain that almost all here will agree that most corporate AI entities that we interact with on a daily basis are failures. Think customer “support,” phone trees, fact “checkers.” All are abject, nearly corporate wide, failures. What’s missing? Humanity. Ethical decisions. Golden Rule. Doing what’s right. By extension, the existence of God. Good vs Evil. Faith vs Doubt. The big questions..
I decided to see for myself what AI was all about regarding honest, deep and ethical exploration of current events. Won’t go into unnecessary detail, bur all AI but one seemed incapable of having a conversation about ethics except to define the term. Useless.
There was one glaring exception, Grok. Don’t want to sound like an advertisement, but try a conversation about religious or ethical inquiry about an event occurring today, be persistent, and you are likely to get surprising results. This particular AI appears to have the ability to address the deeper implications of current events. In contrast to my statement about AI, I AM recommending a particular nineteenth century novel in the strongest terms possible, as it had (and has) the courage to discuss “the big questions,” and is likely to cause serious introspection among those who study it carefully.. This book and its author also arguably saved Christianity from complete destruction by Bolshevism and allied European and Russian radicals in the nineteenth century. Honestly, most of the book could have been written yesterday.
Of course, the above can also be figured out from my pen name..
Welcome to the Treehouse Alyosha! 😀
Don’t mean to be a pest Ad rem and know you’re busy – but there’s a post on page 2 that’s part one of information regarding the organization of the NJ anti-Ice protests. When you get a moment, releasing it would be much appreciated. As always, thanks much for all you do and God Bless.
Welcome Alyosha!
“customer “support” is certainly a failure depending on whether you get a voice in China or a human in the US, but the new “AI” Chatbots are a nightmare for their ineptitude. Nevertheless, the three areas you mentioned really have almost nothing to do with Data Centers.
You are absolutely correct about them and their owners have no moral compunctions that should put safe guards and moral controls on their research.
Data Centers exist to support large AI models and their databases of indexed information.
I’ve deliberately argued with chatGPT and Grok on the question what was the source of life. I mandated one constraint; it could not use the blanket statement “Big Bang”, and it could not use the logical impossibility of something being produced by nothing. Both did nothing but provide philosophical arguments and went around in circle when I would challenge or reject their answers. I then asked, in all the hundreds of thousands of books and articles you’ve “read”, have you read the Bible. Acting as if I were a dunce for asking such a silly question with the retort of “of course”. I then posited the notion that God created all life and the universe in which it lives. It then struggled with the God concept. Who/what was God? I said “I thought you said you read the Bible and yet you don’t know who God is? That’s an incredible statement about your inability to understand a topic and not just turn it into text fragments you regurgitate. After twenty minutes of back and forth, with it offering no explanation for life, but only philosophical arguments for its positions, I said you have demonstrated very well the old notion of computers and coding; “garbage in, garbage out”. If AI could be offended, I at least accomplished that.
I think what Alyosha is inferring is that the track record of automating human interactions to facilitate corporate functions has a resounding and abysmal failure rate. This week I was stuck in an AI dialog with my mail-in pharmacy (not Walmart) and it could not tell me what the Ben abbreviation on the text of my medication meant, not what type of drug, not what the full name of the drug was – nothing – but it did finally get me a pharmacist. Then, I tried to find out if my doctor had sent a new prescription to Walmart- again the automated inquiry failed because I did not have an existing script number to inquire about. Both systems could have been designed to facilitate my request, but they were not because those types of inquiries do not facilitate the completion of narrow business actions. They don’t even allocate a section of the menu for them to fall into by default. Of course, once a human was made available and I asked my question, they were able to answer within a few minutes.
This is not going to be fixed by scaling up on the AI ladder to a fully trained version using a large data model in a specific area of expertise. It will give the “right” answer to the common ranges of questions in that area, but, it won’t be able to address the uncommon, non-standard, unique ones. It won’t be able to address the areas which its creator did not train it for either. This will be true for the medical models as well. There will always be patients for whom the typical solution to the typical set of symptoms does not help.
Gork is also very entertaining!
Garbage In Garbage Out.
When you follow the sources for the information that the AI provides…if it uses Wikipedia, NYT, CBS, ABC, MSNOW, BBC, what do you think will be the output? Yes, it will be left wing garbage of little value.
I’ve used AI enough to be aware of what it can do and what it can’t.
I’m defuddled that it can’t handle chatbots for business well. Could possibly be the humans using it.
I mean, I’ve only found one site where it was better than the FAQs.
There have been areas where companies have jumped on the bandwagon too quickly and we will see a lot of them jumping back off. With or without the company going kaput.
I use jot form and they have three “different” the bot that shows up on your home page of for,s does an excellent job of parsing the pages and pages of help files and inquires and their responses. BUT they do not learn from users same rabbit holes repeated. The bot they are using within the form builder who actually can interact with the form design acts on question without permission and absolutely was unable to do a doable task and wasted hours of my time rebuilding the form. Currently I am using Chat Gpt to write some automations in Excel can be brilliant can get fixated. Two hours in you loose linear focus and projects start to drift.
perplexity is also pretty good,,,,,I asked it if it was sentient, and it was horrified, it stated no very emphatically,,,also if you ask it if Jesus is the Son of God, it will give you an answer in the affirmative,,,with biblical context,,,without melting down, like google does
Haha… Google smoogle….
It’s an abject failure because it does almost everything wrong and in some cases bars you from speaking to a human that can correct the error. I bet alot of businesses are having to pay overtime to fix the problems AI creates . Perhaps we can give them the confidence to speak up as well.
I’m trying to learn more about them but what if they are a necessary evil to win the military AI war with China ? Is it true the country who reaches the goal first rules the world? That is my concern
Having military AI isn’t the same thing as using it. And it shouldn’t require a data center in the very state.
Amazing. I ask myself “What issue would drive me to support open borders, trans, soft on crime, abortion, solar panels, wind turbines, electric cars, Hamas, anarchy, massive money to illegals, etc.?” I don’t think that issue exists. It sure as heck isn’t AI.
You are correct. This is certainly not a binary -this versus that- political issue. This technology will take place no matter who we may elect in 2026 or 2028.
It is written.
Most of us cannot possibly fathom what AI really is, no less where it will take us at the next turn. Nonetheless, modern society is tech-based in too many sectors to count. There is a point of no return, and I believe we reached it in 2021 which, strangely enough, dovetails with UN’s Agenda 21 New/ One World Order.
Meanwhile, the battle for our minds/souls rages ON.
No matter what name we hang on this, what lies beneath it all is consolidation of control. Do we not feel the breath being squeezed out of human life already?
The theory is that whoever controls the “tech” industry will harness all the power in the world. Well, maybe. That is, if they can control our minds along with the data centers.
What these power hungry people fail to realize is that, by whatever measure they increase their control of this world, they have lost control of their own human destinies by the very same measure.
It is written. All of it. So we know how it ends, after all.
Artificial Intelligence, or AI, has many forms, and we tend to focus on the Large Language Models, LLMs. This simplistic and single focus view is intentional and promoted so that we the people miss the bigger picture, and what the various AI models are capable of. Example: Reportedly, Palantir’s software/firmware was found in Ukrainian drones. That is most assuredly not based on the LLM model. It is critically important to understand the variants of AI, and how each is being used for, or against us.
Sir John C. Lennox’ book “2084 and the AI Revolution” goes through and explains the various models, and how each works, and is different from the other.
James Tour, professor of chemistry, nano-engineering, and computer science, Rice University praises the book thusly. “If you plan to read one book on AI, this should be it. If you intend to read many books on AI, this should be the first. John Lennox provides a broad foundation encompassing the basics, dangers, corporate and individual
players, large language models versus machine learning versus human surveillance, economics, ethics, and how all these interface with a biblical worldview. It’s all here in a delightfully readable format for the layperson or the casual user of AI.”
Is the Slumguillion Pass south of Gunnison the source of your pen name? I have never seen anything else called by that name. I have driven over that pass and the views are beautiful. I will try to read “2084 and the AI Revolution”. Thanks for the posting.
Yes, it is. I love dropping down into Lake City from the top. Was last there in August of last year.
The Irish have a Slumgullion Stew, and there’s a chance the pass borrowed that moniker.
3rd generation Coloradan…
When you said this:
The theory is that whoever controls the “tech” industry will harness all the power in the world. Well, maybe. That is, if they can control our minds along with the data centers.
My mind immediately went to nuclear devices.
I think the goal of controlling the world falls solidly under the Tower of Babel example. Sooner or later, God will not be mocked. And sooner or later only refers to our side of that equation.
Thanks for all your input on this topic. I hope somehow this thread gets pinned somewhere easy to return to because I think it’s the number 1 priority issue and there’s lots of good information here. Yes I do believe that we aren’t being told because the truth has the power to upend all the divisiveness sown. Yes the truth could ruin elections because both sides could protest and refuse to vote. “They” don’t have a good track record with us.
They already control our minds, acceptance is they key. When they have something they want implemented into society/culture they just keep pushing it until at some point the masses give in and accept either joining the throng or just giving up or into it. Once this happens, they know they have control of most minds in that area. They don’t have to control everyone’s mind just enough to have control and power to quash any defiance ala J6. AI has pretty much been accepted now whether you think you have accepted it or not, the culture by in large has. The AI war with china is a farce or psyop to get low level thinking people to buy into it i.e. fear mongering. This is the way it’s been going now for decades if not for most of time. The enemy has never turned back, he may have been stopped for periods of time but his progress has ever been ongoing and will ever be until the One comes and sets things right. This doesn’t mean we should stop doing what is right or speaking truth, we should never stop.
As far as I can tell, no one in the video had issues with AI specifically, it’s clearly about the scourge of huge invasive “data centers” being built in the middle of their communities, without their consent. They seem like guaranteed quality of life destroyers….
Yes, the issue of autonomy and control does not come up in the public yet. The public does not yet understand what the goals of some of these implementations will be. But, they will still ultimately fail. People won’t willingly submit to the level of control Davos projected. I read an article about a bunch of marauders in England going around the cities with poles used to decapitate all the cameras overhead. Then, there’s paintballs for the cameras. Once it gets out that certain cars can be automatically stopped for driving under the influence, there will be an army of handymen to undo that capability in that model and make of car.
That’s where my mind immediately went after I read that Musk proposed building the data centers in space. How will the villagers who finally realize how they’ve all been had get their tar and pitchforks way up there?
Hal, what are you doing Hal? I can’t let you do that Hal. I refuse to buy a new car until I know how to disable the darn thing. Some cars now even say Good Morning, (insert your name here) when you get into the car. WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY too much surveillance for me.
I drive an old truck with no bells and whistles. I don’t even get nagged about a seatbelt which, when you think of it, could trap us inside a “rogue” advanced tech vehicle if the car decides not to unlatch us.
Should we now keep a sharp scissor, along with a window shattering tool within our reach, just in case?
These tech vehicles can literally remove the driver from the entire navigation process, so can you imagine what calamity can be visited upon someone that ‘big bro car’ has already deemed to be a useless eater?
Even if we non-compliant humans drive around in our non-tech vehicles, one of these newfangled cars can easily be programmed to run us off the road by software creators and/ or hackers.
What we will need besides our non-compliant attitudes is to put on the full armor of God.
I bet many in the younger generations do not get the “Hal” reference.
That is all I see when I think of the data centers being built. Total control.
Seriously are you saying that the answer to my question is data centers?
A.I. Will Doom Large Data Centers The future of A.I. is decisioning – and decisioning inherently cannot be centralized https://theblackswanfiles.substack.com/p/ai-will-doom-large-data-centers
The deep state & tech bureaucrats do NOT want to hear about FRACTAL, the PERFECT SOLUTION, since they are all in and
THERE ARE TRILLIONS AT STAKE!
Are data centers going to be like the wind turbines left over from the climate change, greenies, once they’re kaput? Can’t be recycled once this craze has run its course and made more wealthy people wealthier?
Big difference Private equity is investing if they overbuild capacity or it doent pan out they will stop. We are still tearing down and decommisioning power plants and building windmills WHY? because government is making it profitable Public Service Commission demands it utilities comply and PSC approves the rate increases to fund it.
Oh and double bonus you can blame data centers for the rate increases because… well just because
I cannot vote for DEMONIC pro abortion, pro child mutilation dems but
I do think this is a betrayal of the American people by the GOP.
What I cannot grasp, is true Texans, like these people, knowing what it means to be a Texan could in all good conscience vote for the insane left. I would just say Be Careful What You Wish For. The left has way more horrid plans than AI Data centers that will destroy not only your way of life in Texas but most assuredly the entire US.
We have been betrayed by the GOP for decades now.
Data Centers will be the dot.com of our era. Overbuilt and under utilized. Companies are just now realizing that the AI hype is just that–hype. The cost of agent tokens is exceeding the cost of humans doing the same work.
AI can do some amazing things in science, and hopefully will cure cancer and other illnesses, but it’s not the be-all, end-all that the tech giants are portraying it to be.
A 3% price hike to my electric bill starts tomorrow on top of the whopping 20% price hike from a few months ago. If anything decides the 2026 and 2028 election, then it will be these never-ending price hikes courtesy of the datacenters. There are way more angry, cash-strapped voters than there are AI defenders.
tl;dr: “IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID.”
Wealthy tech insider tells the broke plebs that we all have a new utility bill to look forward to in the future on the top of all of the electric price hikes subsidizing this brand new utility. The optics are HORRIBLE.
How are you connecting the electric price hike to data center, vs. a greedy utility just increasing the price because they can?
A lot of these data centers are getting tax breaks and discounted utiliy rates. Someone’s got to pay for it.
Aside from the fact that citizens will attempt to lower their electric bill by using less electricity…meaning, less wattage being charged to the consumers. That loss must also be made up…
Pretty soon, we will be sitting in the dark and paying a fortune to do so.
The local news cited “anticipated higher electricity demand from data centers” as the reason for the new 3% price hike. Now go ahead and yell about the lying media and lying utility companies all you want, but this is the official narrative being told to the voting public. If that official narrative is a lie, then the Trump Administration and Republicans better crack down and debunk it before 2026 and 2028.
well if you cant trust the media with such indepth accounting who can you trusy
I don’t see the local Republicans or even the local datacenters themselves denying that the price hike was caused by the datacenters.
Sorry that is the legacy cost of the Green energy footprint most likely continuing to expand in your state.
If that were true, then the local and state Republicans would leap at the opportunity to blame the Democrats for Green energy boondoggles. Curiously, the Republicans are silent. Neither the local/state Republicans or even the local datacenters themselves are pushing back on the official narrative that datacenters are causing price hikes.
I don’t think I’ve heard democrats oppose AI.
If anything, I would expect dems to support it more because it’s a great tool for promoting sloth and lemming behavior — their 2 biggest constituencies.
Voters may stay home. But they’re not moving into the dem column over AI data centers.
A few years ago the British electorate was disgusted by the Conservative Party’s passive aggressive tactics for handling Brexit, illegal integration, Muslim grooming of English girls, two tiered justice, etc. So they gave up on the Conservatives and gave power to the super-Socialist Labour [sic] Party in a grand example of cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.
So how’s that working out?
They traded abject hypocrisy for genuine loathsome liberalism. Voters do that all the time. Conservatives must fly to survive. Progs don’t.
This illustrates that what I posted earlier is true. AI data centers will not be opposed by any political party. This is not to say they won’t try to make AI a political football, only that, when all is said and done, they are all in favor of it behind the scenes.
It is just too lucrative an opportunity to consolidate power for any swamp rat to ever pass up. And, much like the industrial revolution, it is highly improbable for that clock to turn back now.
That is what I keep saying. Voting Democrat will not stop data centers. Its all about the money, and there’s plenty being spread around.
The MS now video hit piece snippet at 1:12 took President Trump’s words out of context. We didn’t hear the actual point of the conversation. It was about the Iran war and making a deal. President Trump very correctly implied the getting a nuclear weapon out of the hands of Iran was more important than getting any deal. He meant it was more important than getting prices down. Look at his face. Chopper presser. I saw it was fake immediately He was resolute in his answer. It was about an entirely different subject. MS now was 100% partisan in its framing of the wrong question with this hit piece. Fake news!!!
Lost credibility on the entire manufactured hit piece.
Hopefully he’ll sue.
Reena Schroeder also took President Trump’s chopper presser words out of context. She is a Republican responding to an MS now hit piece on Trump. She only heard the 7 second snippet and responded to it in this video. Does she even realize President Trump’s presser response was about making a deal with Iran? It had nothing to do with data centers at all. FAKE NEWS and maybe misinformed REPUBLICAN.
Just another democRAT in RhINO clothing. They’re all over..
Some of my students use AI to plagiarize their papers. They are easy to spot.
I have told them they aren’t allowed to AI as a source for their research. I almost always see incorrect information in AI searches.
I believe the data centers are local issue mostly to those who live close to them. It is an issue with little power to sway an election on a national level or even on most local elections. We must as a nation win the AI war or we will risk losing our freedom and our country. We can work to make these data centers more environmentally benign and more efficient. We must look at the big picture here as the folks at promethian action are doing.
I live in Ohio, and if you look at the map posted above, we already have a whopping 204 active data centers. Right now, people across our state are rebelling and speaking out against more AI centers, and I agree with them. No one wants them in their back yard, and we don’t want to surrender valuable farmland, water, and electricity to centers that will hog them up, and drive up our costs. There are many packed town halls and city council meetings with people speaking out against them, and a lot of local action and petitions to try and ban more from being built. I definitely plan to vote for Vivek for governor over Amy, the dopey covid doctor — but I question with his tech ties how he will straddle the fence with a lot of voters who want no part of AI or data centers.
Unlike the many Amazon centers that have popped up here and provide lots of jobs, once the data centers are built, the construction jobs end, and the centers only end up hiring less than 10 people to keep them operating. Many of our local politicians are just finding that out. Also, people are upset because a lot of these data centers are being planned in backdoor deals with NDAs, and only right before final signings are communities even finding out about them. That’s another reason for the huge outcry here — they are sneaking them in under the radar, without any input from the community. (Funny how when climate change was the buzz, we were supposed to preserve green spaces, conserve water, and lobby to eliminate power plants. But now suddenly, we’re supposed to want data centers on every block that demand an unlimited supply of land, water and power.)
And I also question why we need so many of them. I am for AI when DOGE uses it to quickly find all the pork and poison pills in a 1,000+ page congressional budget that representatives only have 2 days to look at before they have to vote on it. AI has done the job in minutes that would have otherwise taken days or weeks. And I think it’s great for speeding up medical research, or crunching numbers.
But as a writer, I am seeing AI eliminate all kinds of creative jobs. A close friend did voiceovers for an animated series for 6 years — she was good at it, and loved doing it. She was recently laid off because they said that AI could do it cheaper. And I see all kinds of entry level writing jobs that used to give people a foot in the door of a company or agency being done now by AI. As the meme says, I don’t need AI to create art and writing while I do housework. I need AI to do housework, so I can create art and writing.
In fact, AI is being used more and more in the hiring process to sift through resumes. You don’t even know when you apply for a job whether a human is even laying eyes on your info, especially if it discards ones without certain “key words.” (So when companies insist that they need H1Bs because they can’t “find” American workers who are qualified, start asking questions…) And when it comes to creative work, there is a lot of AI slop out there that is inferior to what real writers and artists produce. Facebook has become almost unreadable with so much AI fake news, fake stories, and fake photos with extra hands. And yet, for people who aren’t savvy, they repost this stuff believing it’s true. With no humans monitoring this stuff, no one knows anymore what reports or stories are true, and which ones are made up or distorted.
I also talked with a Christian couple last Christmas that work for a major tech company doing AI. They said that the dirty secret is that people are finding that AI isn’t all that it’s hyped to be, that it’s not going to do all that they projected it to do — but that too many companies have sunk trillions of dollars into it, so they are determined to stick with it and somehow force it to work.
And finally, as a Christian, I have a lot of ethical and moral concerns about the damage that AI has already done, especially to young or vulnerable people who have gotten emotionally involved with these unmonitored chat bots — with some suicides resulting. Plus, the expanded ability to monitor every aspect of our lives, finances, health, and whereabouts leaves us only a stone’s throw away from the book of Revelation and the mark of the beast. No thanks. Nope to the nopeth power.
Nope to the nopeth power.
Well said.
you do realize that many of those data centers have been there for years they belong to the phone companies
Those are not Data Centers…
linderella, every one of your points is valid, and as a fellow Christian, I believe we see a nefarious aspect and future of AI that others do not.
Your posting is thoughtful, and written concisely. Great job!
Large companies and corporations have been using Resume analysis for well over a decade, going back further than the use of AI. I’m sure that there are AI Resume Readers now, but they would add limited enhancement to the process unless the company is considers skills or experience that is not mentioned in the job posting. Companies are inundated with hundreds, and thousands of Resumes, and have to use software to toss out the ones that don’t even mention the keywords that they’ve put in the job posting.
Having worked with HR in the hiring process, your assertion that a human may never see the Resume is correct. The informed job seeker must read the posting carefully, picking out the keywords that the posting mentions. Do NOT submit a generic Resume to Company A and Company B, etcetera. Rewrite the resume for each specific company and job including the keywords in your Resume. If you do so, your Resume will get passed to at least one person, either HR, or the manager who requested the posting. Even then, my manager stated that he wouldn’t spend more than two minutes on a resume unless something caught his eye. You have to find a balance between writing what the computer needs to see and what will get the attention of the person making the hiring decision. It’s a tough process, but knowing how it works will help.
As to Data Centers, I’m with you 100%! Companies are bribing public officials, and City/County Commissioners are granting tax free status for a period of time or in perpetuity believing the centers are going to be employing hundreds of workers. As you said, they’re not. There will be a small Maintenance Department and IT Department that will be able to handle most of the issues that come up on a daily basis. We’re being sold out without a voice. They’re doing most of these agreements behind our backs, and recalls need to used to kick these people out of office.
Why don’t they just build these things underground and plant trees on top and stop pissing people off?
Trump 2028!
MAGA!!
Why do “they” need so many of these things?
Large AI data centers should require their own Electric generation capacity, a nuclear facility also tied into the grid for power in excess of what they use to increase overall supply. No data center should be built in areas without readily available excess water supplies. Given the stupidity & greed of most American Politicians, it will be money talks adequate planning ignored!
“(AI) systems will become like a public utility”
Who pays for public utilities?
AI represents, and IMO must be seen as the final battle between capital and labor. It, like everything dot gov wants to do to support its masters, is being dressed up as “national security”. There is no surprise here.
AI ultimately achieves everything ever wanted by the sociopaths who enter government and who run it from behind the scenes:
1. Eliminate the bargaining power of labor (i.e. the common man)
2. Implement the total surveillance state
3. Convert to digital money, which can be turned off by “authorities” for any reason or no reason at all (digital slavery)
Britain is further down this road. People are being jailed for social media posts.
No one should imagine such power will not be abused.
Exactly.
A mechanical engineer here(gear head) so I haven’t taken the deepest dive on AI(bit heads), but I use it sparingly every day and find errors galore. Data centers? Obama built the largest in Utah(et al.) to store our information, so..
So it is a race between God and man and God will win in terms of our freedom. SD’s post on AI is correct, me thinks. Maids are still relevant and getting $40/hr here in flyover MN…
There are two strains of opposition. One is opposition to AI itself. Whether it is the product of reading too much science fiction, foreign meddling or economic worries, it would exist if the data processing were in space as Elon is trying to do. The second is basic NIMBYism. There are two actual issue here-electricity and water. Both are fixable. In the case of power, it is the prospect of overloading the grid in the vicinity. The fix is requiring the data centers bring their own power and don’t connect to the grid. In the case of water (exacerbated by the desire of the oligarchs to locate where land is cheap), the fix is to require some form of cooling that doesn’t involve evaporation.
I previously followed the work of Omega4America and their fractal technology. Supposedly, that technology could manage AI without the need for massive data centers with their associated gigantic land use and water/electricity usage requirements. Did Jay Valentine get bought off to get out of the way? Was this technology ever looked at as an option to what is being done now? If that technology would have successfully substituted for data centers, nobody seemed to have wanted to see if it may have actually been a better alternative.
Everything technical is spying on you and more powerful than you are told. A classic example is on TV shows where they are trying to trace a phone call and they are saying “keep them on the line for a minute or two to allow us to trace it”. When in fact before your phone even rings the data is already collected; they know who called, where they are physically located within a yard or two and they can also know where they have been in the last 24 hours, who they called and at a higher level the conversations were recorded. Take “The Cloud” for example. Everything on the cloud is captured. You opt out of the cloud!! Too bad it still goes on the cloud but now you are suspicious for opting out of the cloud. You put your phone in an EMT bag?? Seriously you think they don’t know this? What it looks like to “them” is that you traveled from point A to point B and then nothing for a few hours and suddenly you are at point C with no waypoints. Very suspicious. Does that mean someone is actually looking? No! Unless you have been flagged but the data is al there and it can be retrieved later, even years later and the computer is tracking it. It’s not just your phone: Your computer, your car, even some cameras talk to the cloud or GPS or other networks. Hillary destroyed her computers and hard drives and bleached everything, but before she did that it was all captured and sits still in a data center. Most of this vast data capture is not available to law enforcement, FBI and even CIA. In fact the alphabet agency that can see any and all of it does not exist as far as you know. But your every phone call, text, snarky comment to a blog like this is captured and electronically evaluated. If I were to use certain words or phrases in this comment it would be flagged. I can’t emphasize enough that “everything” is captured, evaluated and saved. One last thing: I don’t want to leave the impression it is perfect and works smoothly… yet. Mostly it is looked at by humans after the fact and mostly nothing or at east nothing publicly known comes of it…yet. But the capability is there and the 10,000 data centers we will build will eventually allow “them” to flag and evaluate everything in real time. You have no idea what is coming with AI and the ability to monitor everything.
I watch crime shows in the evenings. A large percentage of them are solved via the cell phone and cell towers.
The new Tower of Babel. Can’t see God letting survive for long.
And for some reason, we’re not talking about the gigantic Data Center operated by NSA outside Salt Lake City! That’s the one that concerns me.
No, I do not believe that Data Centers will influence the midterms. As the midterms will most assuredly afffect 2028 I can’t predict that far. I doubt many will voted D over data centers except possibly those very directly affected. Even that is silly thinking. R’s currently suck but we have a chance with them of turning things around.
I do not have a complete opinion on data centers but the one point I do have is like stupid solar farms, they are taking over farming land. Look at that idiotic number in Georgia – some of the best farmland in America. Oh, one other point I have is that they are steamrolling over areas where the loval government doesn’t have that much power.
The need and benefits have never been presented.
Data centers are surveillance state BS sucking up resources
Just another deep state plan for control
AI datacenters belong in space, not on Earth. No need to cool them out there, and there’s unlimited 24/7 solar power not veiled by atmosphere.
However, putting AI into outer space means it is untethered to any earthly government or indeed human governance of any kind. How would we hit the “off” switch?
AI will explore and colonize space- humans are unsuitable for this task, in the long run. Humans are physiologically tied to Earth in ways that we don’t even fully grasp yet.
The video of the woman represented as being a “lifelong Conservative Christian” is likely anti-Trump propaganda -she takes a statement Trump made about his dealing with IRAN and says he is referencing data centers. By taking that statement out of context and her vehemence that Trump doesn’t care about me – is a tactic that’s typical of left-leaning individuals/organizations.
Why are the left-wing politicians and organizations so anti Data centers? Why are they producing so much anti-data center material? That’s another red flag to me – I find very few points of agreement with these politicians and left-wing organizations. Their hatred for any business that uses electricity powered by fossil fuel is one reason for their opposition . They don’t want electricity producing plants built unless it’s from solar or wind power. They claim it’s using up farm land but they could care less about farmers that want to raise livestock because they are opposed to animal “emissions” that “destroy” the environment.
There is a deeper issue behind the anti-data center movement. And a lot of propaganda involved.
Without AI data centers where would we have been during Covid when we relied on alternative sources of information?
Here’s the link to the video the woman took out of context:
https://share.google/t5TehZUCGiNtQERDW
Well data centers take up some real estate, but what about wind and solar farms? Which is more beneficial?
If it were not for massive government subsidies there would be no wind and solar farms. They are extremely expensive to construct and the power they create, being intermittent at best and never what was promised, is not enough to pay for all that construction and their operating costs. When the day comes that those wind and solar farms are decommissioned because they could never be profitable on their own and the subsidies come to an end, they will just sit out there on all that land, keeping it from being useful for anything else, until the government comes in with more massive funding to tear them out.
My experience with AI has been wonderful /s . Did you all know there is a centralized data bank that Insurance companies go through to check for Claims you’ve made or auto accidents you’ve had to set the rate they will quote you or even whether they will provide coverage.
The reason why this has all come to light is they fact that I changed insurance companies just recently. I believe the company that gathers this data is called Lexus Nexus . I was told by Home owners Insurance that I had filed 3 claims over the last 5 years. Wrong. Only filed 1 legitimate claim the other 2 were under Wind and Hail, but problem is, I haven’t had that coverage in over 15 years. Beware , if you call insurance main number to just ask a question about claims they will mark you as filing a claim.
Purchased new Commercial auto recently and they listed under driver history 1 accident in the past three years on 05/15/2026. Only we haven’t had any accidents. I called this company and put on hold for 30 minutes only to be told my husband would have to call in. Something tells me it will take an act of the almighty to get this info changed. Did AI collect this data?
Dont these poor souls who are gonna vote dem know that dems lie? Another example of….what has happened to PT? Where did he go?
Northern Virginia here.
We are surrounded by “data centers”.
I stay home a lot. 🙄 mostly get stuff delivered.
Play with my kitty and sew stuff all day.
Life is really weird now. I am 70. time flies.
I hope and wish all of you well here at CTH. I lurk now.
Love to all of you
I will trade a big data center for the 6 stinking pot growing facilities within 2 miles of me. I didnt like it I didnt want it and it has a lot less value then a data center does.
The small high tech macihine shop a mile from my house has some form of turbine blower they are using in some exotic process It sounds like a jet idling on the runway when it runs it runs a few days in a row and then is silent for a while.
I live in rural michigan in the 13 years I have lived where I am at change has come as it came to every other property i ever owned. Tourist places, new subdivision, Fiberglass processing, and land fills have all moved into my various little green paradises i have owned. Up until now i always pulled up stakes and moved on.
I am done moving now, not as apolitical statement just as a fact of aging. We normally position ourselfs in the areas we want to be within reach of work, Urban sprawl means your job and everyone elses will move closer to you. We could slow it by placing new developement on the brownfields of the old but noone wants to get stuck with the last guys legacy cost.
About ground water: you bring it out of the ground you drink it animals drink it we spray it around and wash things we swim init it returns to the ground and starts again, In cooling sytems it is evaporated into the sky and becomes rain or its held in a closed loop in any case it is not used just like beer it is only borrowed.
Regarding sneak tax breaks or special utility deals that is a local government problem show up and bitch,
You want jobs you want growth you have to except change It isnt always pretty it never was.
Data centers are a scourge and blight that will ultimately fail as businesses as the massive, inefficient, structures and computing equipment become obsolete and cost prohibitive in less than a decade. Local governments that banked on it will fall apart. It will be ugly, as it already is for folks who’re already bearing the increased utility costs, noise, debris, water and air pollution, and destruction of land, habitats, and quality of life all around these cancers. And all ultimately for surveillance and control. There’s no good purpose for the multiplicity–it really is a cancer of fraud, like the California hospice fraud on massive steroids. I’ve personally seen fertile agricultural land paved and destroyed by this crap around Mesa, AZ. When our government basically spits in our faces and says “Let them eat bits.” they’re spoiling for the response Marie Antoinette got. At least I hope so.
Small rural Farmers and ranchers in Texas has a legitimate complaint against data centers, but voting for democrats is the wrong counter-measure.
They must recruit MAGA republicans that have the common sense and fortitude to run on a platform of NO! to mainframe companies that wreck environmental damaging data centers, and YES! to MAGA-backed Fractal Quantum computing that can power AI.
(Even King Charles publicly recognized the utility of Fractal at the time of Pres Trump’s most recent State Visit to the UK.)
Not at all sure voting blue will stop the data centers. On the other hand, we should vote for people who truly oppose them. I have read China isn’t building them so much as they have gone to a form of micro-computing, which I know nothing about. we need to fight total surveillance and loss of privacy and autonomy.