The Great Lou Dobbs: “No FISA Reauthorization” Without Reform and Sunlight…

Lou Dobbs reminds everyone tonight about a rapidly approaching FISA reauthorization deadline coming quickly on March 15th without any public input, public hearings, information about current DOJ/FBI corrective measures, or sunlight on the issues.

Appearing tonight with Mr. Dobbs is House Judiciary Committee ranking member Doug Collins who has been trying to draw attention to an upcoming reauthorization and the refusal of House democrats to hold hearings on the need for reform in the wake of yet another IG report hightlighting abuses of the current system.

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As outlined by Lou Dobbs, in November of 2019 buried deep in the congressional budget Continuing Resolution (CR) was a short-term extension to reauthorize the FISA “business records provision”, the “roving wiretap” provision, the “lone wolf” provision, and the more controversial bulk metadata provisions [Call Detail Records (CDR)], all parts of the Patriot Act.  As a result of the FISA CR inclusion the terminal deadline was pushed to March 15, 2020:

Additionally, prior to the December 9, 2019, inspector general report on FISA abuse, FISA Court judges Rosemary Collyer (declassified 2017) and James Boasberg (declassified 2019) both identified issues with the NSA bulk database collection program being exploited for unauthorized reasons. For the past several years no corrective action taken by the intelligence community has improved the abuses outlined by the FISA court.

The sketchy programs, and abuse therein, has public attention yet congressional representatives are not responding to the findings.

Worse still, there is a confluence of current events pointing toward a likelihood congress and the intelligence apparatus writ large want to reauthorize the FISA surveillance and collection authorities without further sunlight and without public input.

AG Bill Barr is scheduled to meet with key Senators this week. While the media are attributing and framing the meeting toward Trump activity, it is more than likely one key purpose of the upcoming meeting is AG Barr advocating for quiet FISA renewal.

Keep in mind the deadline for the DOJ to respond to the FISA court about the abusive intelligence practices identified in the Horowitz report was February 5th, more than two weeks ago. The responses from the DOJ and FBI have not been made public.

FISA Court Order – FISA Court Notice of Extension.

My suspicion is a quiet agreement exists between the DOJ/FBI and FISA Court. It appears the DOJ is trying to get the FISA reauthorization passed before the FISC declassifies the corrective action outlined from the prior court order. This response would also include information about the “sequestering” of evidence gathered as a result of the now admitted fraudulent and misrepresented information within the FISA applications.

With that background in mind, it is NOT accidental the Wall Street Journal publishes an article Sunday about AG Barr’s position on FISA reauthorization. The White House wants structural reform; it appears the DOJ and FBI want considerably less than that.

WASHINGTON—Senior White House officials are discussing an overhaul of the government’s surveillance program for people in the U.S. suspected of posing a national-security risk, spurred in part by President Trump’s grievances about an investigation of a 2016 campaign adviser, according to people familiar with the matter.

The effort seeks to take advantage of the looming expiration of some spying powers next month, including portions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, a Watergate-era law that Mr. Trump believes was improperly used to target his campaign, these people said.

Overhauling FISA has become a rallying cry for conservatives and allies of the president in the aftermath of a watchdog report detailing several errors made by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in its applications for surveillance of Mr. Trump’s campaign adviser, Carter Page. Some Republicans have called for upending FISA, prompting pushback from some in the administration, including Attorney General William Barr.

The plan, which is being spearheaded by officials within the White House Domestic Policy Council, is in the early stages and could face resistance from other parts of the Trump administration, including the National Security Council, which has generally advocated maintaining or expanding surveillance powers during Mr. Trump’s presidency.

Some administration officials have privately raised concerns that the new FISA effort could go too far, but officials working on the plan countered that they don’t intend to undermine the government’s core surveillance powers.

[…] Mr. Trump hasn’t expressed any public opinion on the coming expiration of the spying powers, but he has been a harsh critic of the government’s surveillance powers and has privately encouraged his advisers to develop a policy response to the surveillance of Mr. Page, the people familiar with the matter said. Mr. Trump feels personally victimized by the FISA process and the intelligence agencies that he oversees and some of the White House officials see a political opening for an overhaul.

“We were abused by the FISA process; there’s no question about it,” Mr. Trump told reporters this month. “We were seriously abused by FISA.”

[…] Some senior administration officials, including Mr. Barr, are hesitant to make major changes to existing intelligence law, people familiar with the matter said.

Mr. Barr has said the current FISA process needs more oversight from the Justice Department, in light of the inspector general report, but has defended the law itself as essential for national security.

“We are committed to preserving FISA and we think all Americans should be committed to preserving FISA,” Mr. Barr told reporters in December. “It is essential to protect the security of the United States.”

Mr. Barr has called FISA a “critical tool” and vowed to preserve it after some Republicans suggested the future of the law was in jeopardy following the inspector general’s report. (more)

With the terminal deadline for FISA reauthorization rapidly approaching; and with serious abuses identified within the system of the FISA court, specifically as they pertain to the targeting of American citizens; there have been no public hearings or congressional discussions about the FISA process and the outlined fourth amendment violations.

As typical congress waits until the last-minute to act on important issues.

The FISA “business records provision”, the “roving wiretap” provision, the “lone wolf” provision, and the more controversial bulk metadata provisions [Call Detail Records (CDR)], again all parts of the Patriot Act, must not be reauthorized without a full public vetting of the abuses that have taken place for the past several years.

At a minimum the pending DOJ/FBI response to the FISA court needs to be made public prior to any reauthorization by congress.  And to better understand the scale of the issue, the consequences when the system is abused, the upstream sequester material needs to be made public.

Let the American public see what investigative evidence was unlawfully gathered, and let us see who and what was exposed by the fraudulently obtained FISA warrants. At a minimum congress and the American people need to understand the scale of what can happen when the system is wrong – BEFORE that exact same system is reauthorized.

Additionally with all of the information now known to exist, should congress proceed with a reauthorization without any sunlight on the abuse, the White House should counter and demand the intelligence community declassify both the Collyer report from 2017 and the Boasberg report from 2019.

Declassification of existing records would reveal the November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702 search query abuse as outlined in the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer.  Who exactly are these private sector FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries?  This was a weaponized surveillance and domestic political spying operation. [The trail was laid down in specific detail by Judge Collyer – SEE HERE]

The U.S. constitution’s fourth amendment is being violated by the continued abuse of bulk metadata collection, particularly when private contractors and government officials illegally access the system.  The 2016 FISA review (party declassified in 2017) and the 2018 FISA review (party declassified in 2019) both show ongoing and systematic wrongdoing despite all prior corrective action and promises.

This needs to be stopped.

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The 2019 Boasberg Report:

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The 2017 Collyer Report:

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221 Responses to The Great Lou Dobbs: “No FISA Reauthorization” Without Reform and Sunlight…

  1. Is this re-authorization something the President has to approve also?

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    • PS says:

      They are always bundled with 100 other things considered must-haves, like elderly Medicare funding or baby meals programs.

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      • ann says:

        We have a canon of found findings documenting a history of deceptive writ apps, backlogs of “problematic” cases, of surveillance writs FISC court granted that the DoJ cannot find supportive evidence to justify their SNOOPING.
        Yates flounced out leaving a backlog of cases under court scrutiny. Some show a pattern of repeated delays in the review process.

        I’m convinced by the DoJ/Bureau’s abysmal performance record that they’ve recruited politicised crooks who must cheat because they are incompetent.

        I demand my taxes not fund their empire of dirt, this inept MOB of bent cops, technocrats & legalistic prosecutors . Congressional transcripts of the DoJ/Bureau attorneys & legal “specialists reveal a department filled with shockingly ignorant dullards, who lack basic comprehension of professional ethics, or remote familiarity with our rights, or impartial objective analysis

        We don’t have counterintell, nat sec or justice, We have a corrupt Congress fused with an incestuous clan of soulless technocrats and bent politicos who CHEAT us of honest governance and justice.

        IF the FBI performed its foundational mission of preventing corruption in government, our Congress and country would be healthy responsive and functional. Instead, the vacuum of accountability & transparency has left us fractured and broke!

        AG Barr, it is not impossible to dispense impartial, vigorous and prompt justice.

        This is not NORMAL . We need a parallel structure that bypasses these haughty functionaries whose loyalty is to their caste.

        Americans deserve a DOJ held to the same standards as you and I.

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        • Jim Raclawski says:

          well stated….. BRAVO ZULU…
          unfortunately our Republic’s elected “leaders” are mostly egg sucking dogs….
          both “sides of the aisle” have need of this capability … it’s not gonna be boxed up and put in storage…. (the collected data would certainly come in handy just when that little push was called for….)
          you would like to think it were not so… but corruption is rampant throughout HPSCI & it’s big brother in the other chamber – probably more so as the Senate holds “gatekeeper” duties on critical Intel community stake holders…
          while futile… off I go on another errand … to do battle with windmill(s)
          thatisall

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          • Judith says:

            “Both sides of the aisle have needs of this capability..” Of course they do! They are creating a New World Order Fiefdom in which they harass and intimidate American citizens at will.

            The Patriot Act is unconstitutional. No more FISA!

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          • ann says:

            Thanks.
            We need real leverage to instill fear.
            No institution cedes power because it’s right or responds to rational evidence based decisions.
            State orgs reflect human nature. The post Cold War era civilian DoJBureau, 17 agency command chain presents as a bunch of scummy weak courtiers,

            All my life, the refrain is ‘it’s our fault, we haven’t elected good people”.
            Strongly disagree!
            SCOTUS ruled “$$ campaign donations & lobbyists = protected free speech”. What a bunch of hooey.

            I don’t want to revamp the constitution, but our justice, surveillance, nat sec, state, intell, CONgress & Judiciary function as one, power holding expansionist entity,

            what we were taught is a mythos” a tripartite state that represents & responds to bottom up, grass roots constituents.
            separation of power is gone.

            Our foreign policy, R&D DORPA, and God only knows what else has replaced US as decision makers.

            Fact based reasoned debate, public forums, responsive CONgress virtually disappeared within 35 years.
            Our territory, as citizens, evaporated. We are excluded by obscurant industrial level legalists.
            sovereignty, taxes, War making

            within my memory our country, control opaque, amorphous interagency task groups wo boundaries, operational limits or public input. lead & staffed w migratory SIS/SES, intraagency task groups , 13 colonies of relatively homogenous self sufficient peoples in n9 way resembles the turgid money pit, and fused surveillance state that replaced virtue, stewardship, statesmen, separation of power & principled conduct.

            Blasphemy it may be, but IMO, the co option of fed justice & Judiciary is blindingly obvious.

            We need a parallel legal structure that supersedes & deconstructs this veiled authoritarian faux Justice dept.

            the fallback to simply rely on voting is not realistic.

            I want to crush the JD’s monopol; eradicate their ability to ever grant collective immunity to a permanent ruling caste.

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        • Bendix says:

          “Empire of dirt”. Well said.

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      • Dutchman says:

        Sometimes, you have to draw a line in the sand, and call CONgress out.
        I don’t care what “must haves” are bundled wit the reauthorisation, PDJT should slam down his veto pen, and declare, ala Gandalf “This, shall not PASS!

        We’re talking about continueing a program abusing the 4 th Amendment to the Comstitution the POTUS has sworn to uphold.

        PDJT should have a,Rose Garden ceremony, in which he vetos the bill, explains why, and passes out pens!

        If the ‘must haves’are truly MUST HAVES, Congress can write the CR again, and leave out the FISA provisions.

        I truly do not believe the FISA court can be made Constitutional, nor do I believe there is any way to put sufficient safeguards in place, to “make sure this never happens again.”

        Safeguards are like locks, they only “keep honest people honest”; the problem is dishonest people at the top of FBI and DOJ.

        And most,are gone now, but what,are the,safeguards to insure we won’t again gets crooks in those positions?

        “Oh, you have SENATE CONFIRMATIONS, of all the top people!”

        Yeah, McConnell approved Comey, Brennan, Clapper,….hmmm.

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        • scrap1ron says:

          Exactly, Dutch. Shut the damn government down if that’s what it takes to torpedo this unconstitutional violation of our 4th Amendment protections. Veto it Mr. President.

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          • Dutchman says:

            Ah, the b.s. phoney “Government shutdown”, yes!
            Lets get a two-fer, and confront that budgetary bullshit move, at the same time as confronting this 4th amendment violation legislation.

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            • Judith says:

              Agreed. The last time that the Enemedia clutched their pearls over a government shutdown, it was anticlimatic at best. As I remember it, furloughed government workers received a paid vacation.

              There were signs to keep visitors out of the national parks? Big whoop!

              Patriots have made the ultimate sacrifice to defend our freedom and liberty! Our God-given rights, protected by the Constitution, are much more important than the *inconvenience* of a government shutdown!

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              • Dutchman says:

                Oh, PLEASE don’t throw me in that briar patch! I am sure PDJT was,’advised’ by deep state plants, that he would lose, if there was a gov’t shutdown.

                He now knows that is crap, and manipulation.
                BRING IT ON!

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    • bertdilbert says:

      Congress will never give up the ability to spy on Americans.

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      • Redzone says:

        Remember, Dershowitz said he has proof that Obama Hussein personally asked the FBI to spy on someone for Soros. This service isn’t free, and I guarantee that wasn’t the 1st time.

        I suspect a deep dive into FISA would connect dots between Clinton Foundation donations and other payments from foreign countries and others willing to pay the right price for FISA data.

        The Clinton Campaign knew exactly how to get FISA records. Is it possible Clinton and Soros are the only people paying for FISA data? Not a chance.

        I believe a deep dive into FISA would reveal a hugely profitable pay-to-spy network.

        I also think most in the government turn a blind eye to prevent that 1 terrorist attack. Their rationale is that potentially preventing that “1 big attack” makes the illegal spying worth it.

        As we all know, that is flawed thinking as FISA can legally be used properly. The politicians and Intelligence Community simply don’t want us to think that.

        FISA data is what makes the IC valuable around the world to every country. It is a huge source of power and is likely an enormous spigot of flowing $. Politicians will fight hard under false pretenses to keep the $ flowing at all costs. Selling FISA data is likely a Billion dollar business.

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        • Peoria Jones says:

          I hadn’t really thought about the selling of information from spying beyond the usual political suspects – but you’re probably right that it’s another multi-billion dollar illegal business enterprise.

          Terrifying. This is supposed to be OUR gov’t. This must be stopped.

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          • dd_sc says:

            Just think of the insider trading you could do using the 2 hop rule of FISA.

            How many multi-million dollar deals does Eric Trump talk about on a daily basis?
            Ted Cruz’s wife Heidi works for Goldman Sachs
            Erin Burnett’s husband is a managing director for Citigroup.

            Once you get a warrant on a prominent political or financial person, it’s a gateway into the incestuous government-politcal-media complex.

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        • bertdilbert says:

          it is always about the money. It is always what can bre sold to the Am erican citizens for someone else’s benefit. If Soros wanted Obama to spy on someone, There must have been a profit potential behind it. I can see Soros funding Obama’s favored groups in exchange for spy data. Soros is not funding the left for free. He is making a substantial profit over and above what he pays out.

          It is like lobbying under the table.

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          • Redzone says:

            Absolutely…and our gov’t gives tens of millions to Soros’ various charitable organizations around the world. (Probably 100’s of millions)

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      • John-Y128 says:

        …and what’s the point to a discussion with a House Judiciary Committee ranking member, in a House controlled by Pelosi, who supported FISA renewal in 2018?

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    • dd_sc says:

      Yes, but since the reauthorization is buried in the CR, President Trump cannot veto it without shutting down the government. If Trump does go that route, Democrats will scream abuse of power and payback against the Intel agencies.

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      • Redzone says:

        PT is the main person that can stop this, but the political headwinds would be like a CAT 10 Hurricane and would probably have Impeachment strings attached.

        If we the people could inundate our Representatives with emails and calls, it may help. Politicians don’t like knowing there is sunlight on their crooked shenanigans.

        Lou Dobbs and the handful of politicians are also beneficial. A segment from Hannity would help, but I suspect Faux News (and all MSM) is a FISA beneficiary so will stay away from the topic.

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      • GB Bari says:

        Tough crap.
        Veto it.
        If they want the other graft that badly they can separate it out from the spying.
        Tell the Congress, “Put up or shut up.”

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    • John-Y128 says:

      In Jan 2018, President Donald Trump signed the FISA reauthorization bill.
      The Act is up for reauthorization in 2023! At the time PT remarked, “He would have preferred to have signed a permanent reauthorization bill, rather than one that would expire.”

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  2. freepetta says:

    Back to Schiffbag basement closed door hearings. Disgusting pencil ✏️ neck!!

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  3. T2020 says:

    Share this far and wide!!! Contact representatives!!! Stop the bleeding!!! The

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  4. starfcker says:

    The President of the United States has veto power exactly for moments like this. You don’t like this, Mr. President, stop it dead in its tracks

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    • vikingmom says:

      I hope that one of the things that the president asks for in his 2021 State of the Union address is the line item veto – exactly for situations such as this!!

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      • bertdilbert says:

        Waste of time, congress will never allow it. That is how they reward their friends. Would you trust Obama with line item? This needs to be done another way.

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        • dd_sc says:

          How does the reconciliation process work with a CR?

          Can McConnell strip just the FISC out, get 51 Republican votes and send the CR back to the House for reconciliation?

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      • Guy-Blanc Déploré says:

        I appreciate your sentiment, but I’m pretty sure a line item veto would ultimately be found unconstitutional by the SCOTUS. It would actually alter legislation passed by congress, which is a violation of the separation of powers.

        I’ll note, however, that it has never been tested in court and likely never will, because as bertdilbert says, congress would never even consider giving away that kind of power.

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        • vikingmom says:

          I suspect that you are correct – and it could be dangerous in the wrong hands. I guess what I really want to see are CLEAN bills with no hidden graft thrown in at the last minute. Nothing happens, nothing happens…and then suddenly, there is a monstrosity of a bill with all kinds of little “special” carve-outs and payoffs stuck in at the last minute. No one has time to read through it and they are all in on it anyway – it’s how they “deliver” to the lobbyists who fund their campaigns and their special interest buddies, who then (surprise, surprise!) hire their family members!

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        • dd_sc says:

          It already has been. Forty-four governors have line item veto, with most the vetoed item is also subject to an override vote.

          Both Reagan and Clinton requested line item veto power. Congress tried to grant Clinton line item veto power, but it was ruled unconstitutional – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._City_of_New_York

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        • GB Bari says:

          The
          President should veto legislation along with tweeting exactly which item or items in the legislation caused his veto and the dishonest reasons behind why the Congress tried to bundle it together.

          Turn on the bright light to expose the deceit and perfidy. PDJT is very good at doing that.

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  5. Seneca the Elder says:

    Once again Barr is showing his true colors. A leopard cannot change his spots.

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    • Ray Runge says:

      Another inflection point for BagPipes to show us his diligent effort to maintain a Deep State status quo. Spying on the POTUS is just alright by Barr.

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  6. Dee says:

    It should be ripped out by the roots and start over with junking the Patriot Act and have total reevaluation of what is needed today and how oversight will be done. Yes, all the reports needed to be out for all the read and the people should have major input.

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  7. Suzy Jules says:

    Maybe ODNI Grenell will declassify the Colyer and Boasberg reports. Her ridge and Dobbs and Judical Watch getting 1st copies.

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  8. Ironclaw says:

    President Trump should veto ANYTHING that funds or reauthorizes FISA, it’s unconstitutional.

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  9. mg says:

    I wonder what pound test line is being used to hold up puppet barr?

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    • Pale rider says:

      The sand on which this cabal was built is shifting. I do enjoy watching hellians expose themselves then retire to their masters chambers, though I shall not follow or envy their eternal rewards.
      Just for reiteration, President Trump is expecting ‘us’ to engage in this reform of our government. Putting forth worthy candidates and voting them in. “If you build it they will come” and ‘that’ in a thumbnail is what the globalists have been fearing for decades.
      You know the smell of fear is distinct. Humans have words and deceive people of those truths but, the smell of fear is all over these globalists, and cornered animals are the:most dangerous. I expect many to dispatch themselves shortly.

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      • CountryDoc says:

        While I have been blown away by what our POTUS has been able to accomplish, I am even more astonished by his patience and restraint, his faith that the mechanisms of this Republic work, and that if we reverse the educational deficit and ignorance of the population, that our sense of justice, and hope for what we can be will propel the populace to not only vote, but organize movement among us to oust this cancer from our nation,

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        • lumoc1 says:

          The only chance for a long term cure for what ails this Republic, because permanent solutions are not possible when humans are involved, is for what astonishes you about President Trump to actually occur. And I sincerely hope that it does occur!!

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      • jumpinjarhead says:

        I regret I am not as sanguine as you and others here as to the imminent comeuppance of the “globalists” (including those coup participants in the Deep State). They have repeatedly demonstrated their ability to protect themselves, if not from being fired (some add in this context also being “shamed” etc. but I think any real and substantive negatives of such administrative nature are quite illusory), certainly from criminal prosecution that results in meaningful actual prison time.

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  10. schutzhund says:

    DECLASSIFY——-or watch the Constitution die

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  11. DeWalt says:

    No Reform. Shut it down. They won’t even admit the Judges were mostly responsible.

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  12. paintbrushsage says:

    Don’t dispute what FISA’s about! Sunlight & then Reform it or get rid of it.

    Rosenstein: “I dispute your characterization of what that FISA’s about”

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  13. We just need to carefully consider how many and where we can move a few more foxes from in order for us to keep a better eye on the chicken coops and what the chickens are actually doing.

    That’s why I am hesitant, and the only reason why I am hesitant I tell you.

    The people are just going to have to trust our foxes, they’re the best foxes around.

    We’re government trained and our sole mission is to protect the chickens and the eggs.

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  14. To me, it is “stupendously obvious,” based on our nation’s most recent experiences, that both FISA and PATRIOT have to go …

    • Although the 1970’s notion of FISA was that “a Court” would be better than “a President [Nixon …]”, the actual judges in actual circumstances find that they cannot judge because they cannot know when they are being deliberately lied to by “the Government.” Meanwhile, the President avoids responsibility thanks to “the Government” minions who lie.

    • PATRIOT, which “very miraculously appeared, in its 900+ page glory,” much-too-soon after 9/11, has proved to be enabling legislation which stripped away the Fourth Amendment completely.

    Now we know: The Fourth (and the Second) Amendments were wisdom.” We now very plainly see how utterly, how completely, and how frivolously(!) government surveillance powers can – and will – be abused. Our nation must be determined to learn this lesson. (Grudgingly acknowledging that our Founders already knew it.)

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    • Pale rider says:

      I could be wrong but after all I’ve witnessed in the last five years I believe that 911 was perpetrated just for the destruction of our constitutional rights by the patriot act. Where is the outrage today for these Muslims who are invading our country? Nonexistent which adds to my opinion.

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      • pyromancer76 says:

        Pretty much ditto. It was a put up job in too many ways. Still smells very bad today and did way back when as I listened to those local (Florida I think) FBI agents testify to what was going on in their jurisdictions. They reported, they yelled, they screamed. No one would listen.

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      • Judith says:

        Agreed. The next atrocity will be *created* to repeal 2a. Count on it. There will be a false flag so horrendus that the ensuing media frenzy to remove guns from law-abiding citizens will prevail. The shenanigans in the Supreme Court (Roberts adoption blackmail, Scalia’s untimely demise) are leading up to this event.

        Globalists must remove our right to self defense before they can burn the Constitution and usher in their New/One World Order. And that is why Trump us such a threat.

        The “trillions at stake” are not so critical, once those pencil erasers come out and business plans are amended. Businesses and investors can adapt.

        The real issue here is the New World Order’s shady Totalitarian road map to end all national borders. No more sovereign nations.

        POWER is being consolidated behind the scenes, and that is why Hellary insists that we rubes remain “unaware and compliant.”

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    • CountryDoc says:

      I cannot comprehend 911 being masterminded from the inside, but many things about it and the mechanism of collapse of the towers are hard to comprehend. In the past, we have blamed the protraction of war on the greed/profit of the military industrial complex.

      What if the protraction was to give time for the PATRIOT and FISA to allow infiltration and manipulation of key true patriots in this country.

      The lack of outrage by republicans, by military leaders, and lack of effectiveness of POTUS/Jordan/Nunez and others that we here at CTH collectively/predominantly trust to be Patriots even causes me to doubt them. Just like the controlled collapse of the towers, responses retrospectively seem more orchestrated to take down this country than to fight “the war on Terror”.

      To take it further — we don’t know who Sundance is. I have occasionally allowed my lack of trust to consider this site and Sundance as a potential project of deception — to draw attention and hope — and thus delay effective response from True Patriots.

      There really are Trillions at stake, The wisdom of our Founders in dividing the powers and trusting no one with too much of it, and trusting the people to keep the government purged of swindlers was brilliant.

      The leftists/communists are not as wise as the yellow dog democrats, are not as cunning as the GOPe and US Chamber of Commerce and those that pay our legislators and exectives and judges the most. What if POTUS and/or CTH/Sundance are even more cunning forces of evil. I seriously doubt the last possibility, but we must be prepared for any possibility.

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      • James Groome says:

        Building 7

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      • Peoria Jones says:

        “What if POTUS and/or CTH/Sundance are even more cunning forces of evil. I seriously doubt the last possibility, but we must be prepared for any possibility.”

        Whoa…Sundance’s blog existed years before DJT even decided to run for POTUS. There are many who know exactly who he is, but why should we general readers need to know? Respect the man’s privacy. (And bear in mind that much of the work being shared here is upsetting to a lot of people – powerful, dirty people.)

        As for Donald J. Trump, we’ve known who he is since the 80’s. He’s been a highly visible public figure, both professionally and personally.

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        • CountryDoc says:

          Agree, Peoria. My point was to be hypothetical and point out the difficulty we have in organizing, but protecting ourselves from spies withing the camp we feel safe in. I shouldn’t write all my thoughts when it is late

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          • Peoria Jones says:

            Lol, gotcha. Many of SD’s articles get posted just past my bedtime, and it’s hard to stop reading! Unfortunately, my reading comprehension and writing abilities have already waned by then. 😉

            It is hard not to be suspicious about ANYONE involved in gov’t anymore, though President Trump is my one absolute exception. I feel the same about the media, but having found CTH many years ago, I likewise exclude SD from any suspicion. Both men are the real deal – and incredibly brave.

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          • Judith says:

            It is wise to be cautious and skeptical in these times. We already know that “controlled opposition” is real. Look at FAUX news for example.. and all those fallen RINOS. Sad!

            With all the censorship and disinfo everywhere we look, why is the CTH allowed to persist? Believe me I’ve thought about that. And who could know the motives behind anonymous posters on any blog?

            That said, while I don’t always agree with everyone here (even PDJT) I have found no reason to doubt the authenticity of this site and I am grateful for Sundance. I pray for him.

            I think CTH is *allowed* to exist because we are studied here, like a cat toys with a mouse. Pressure valves are needed to ward off bigger explosions, as well.

            We represent at least 60 MILLION American Patriots.. and counting.. We could be quite combustible with no outlets to release all that steam.

            Deep State Globalists would be stupid if they weren’t the least bit curious to monitor what the rubes are thinking. And while they may be morally bankrupt, as well as criminally insane, they aren’t stupid. Reckless maybe.. but certainly not stupid.

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      • ms doodlebug says:

        Even children know good from evil. Surely, as adults, we can see by the ‘fruits’ produced by their words and actions who and what is good or evil.

        For reference: Matthew 7:16-20

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  15. Chump Change says:

    FISA along with the Patriot Act will get approved on some Friday at midnight just before a holiday weekend…substantially unchanged, locked, loaded and aimed straight at the freedom and liberty-loving heart of America…our Bill of Rights and Constitution.

    FISA and the Patriot Act, along with a tyrannical two-tiered justice system, are the most dangerous weapons that an overgrown, all-powerful, all-seeing police state could have to control We The People. For any reason or for no reason they will be abused, and had Hillary been elected or should a jelly-spined RINO or DemoKKKrat president rise to power in the future (the law of averages predicts it), FISA and the Patriot Act will CONTINUE to be weaponized against both the political opposition and all voters, reporters, Youtubers, Twitterers and bloggers who dare to object or vote or think incorrectly.

    These potent and dangerous tools were meant to be aimed at foreign terrorists and saboteurs, not at the hearts of Americans who disagree with tyrant DemoKKKrats…with justice or lack thereof systematically and tyrannically administered based on political loyalties.

    DemoKKKrats have filed articles of impeachment against every elected Republican president since Dwight Eisenhower. They have weaponized impeachment and every three-letter agency against their political opponents for decades and decades. The huge deep state apparatus is nearly 100% DemoKKKrat, and is subverting Trump and Republican voters at every turn. The MSM and schools have also become weaponized DemoKKKrat indoctrination centers, failing in the teaching of civics, government and the Constitution and excelling at drag queen story hour.

    We are a country of multiple ethnicities, but we were…used to be…one culture…where all ethnicities strived to assimilate while celebrating our unique histories. Now, however, we are no longer one American culture but hypenated-Americans, blacks, browns, yellows, reds, whites, blacks, gay, lesbian, transsexual, cisgendered, zhe, them, pagan, wiccan, satanist, illegals, non-assimilators, anchor babies. Culturally divided we are being conquered…from within.

    Government needs to be shrunk to pre-Woodrow Wilson and pre-FDR levels and we need a return to the Constitutional form of government…severely limited in its power and respecting religious liberty and our Judaeo-Christian cultural behaviors and roots. Career politicians, a concept completely foreign to our Founding Fathers, need to be eliminated with 6 year term limits for House and Senate.

    “Our Constitution was made ONLY for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.” President John Adams

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    • David A says:

      Our Constitution was made ONLY for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.” President John Adams

      While true, all governmental systems fail when moral basics and religious humility are absent. For then those self destructive behaviours of exercising power over others became established in the power to rule.

      The great US system was designed specifically to prohibit group power over others and over individuals, so in this sense that system is better able to endure the corruption of moral principles. ( Granted, leave those virtues behind and abandon respect for and belief in the Divine, and those constitutional protections will disolve.)

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  16. JohnCasper says:

    No early being is worthy of having such above the Constitutional power over their fellow citizens. And those who have been wielding it have proven themselves to be especially unworthy.

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  17. JohnCasper says:

    No protracted war can fail to endanger the freedom of a democratic country. War does not always give over democratic communities to military government, but it must invariably and immeasurably increase the powers of civil government [NSA (just think of what people now submit to even if they aren’t much aware of it), DHS, FBI, DOJ, CIAetc., etc., etc.]; it must almost compulsorily concentrate the direction of all men and the management of all things in the hands of the [“Deep State”] administration. If it does not lead to despotism by sudden violence, it prepares men for it more gently by their habits [which become the habits of mice and sheep]. All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war [Endless “War on Terror”] is the surest and the shortest means to accomplish it. This is the first axiom of the science.
    .- Alexis de Tocqueville

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  18. TheLastDemocrat says:

    I bet both parties are benefiting from having such a complete data base of everyone, and are addicted. Not likely to give it up.

    Sad. (R) should be for less-government, and (D) are often only too eager to squint a bit and so see a Constitutional right to privacy.

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  19. Lonnie Albertson says:

    Looks like our government criminals wish to continue to be criminals. Absolutely no doubt the democrats want to continue stealth mode spying by the most currently distrusted organizations that operated and are operating their coup attempt. If Barr supports this continuing criminal enterprise, he has lost my support. Until now I had supported him. That is no longer the case and it appears if Barr is not onboard with the Durham campaign, he needs removal immediately before he does more damage.

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    • Pale rider says:

      There is a point in our attitude when ‘talk’ is of no use except to allow time to pass for the guilty. These moments reduce as our vision is renewed.
      Barr, you are out of time!

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  20. IGiveUp says:

    The FISC is absolutely vital to the security services’ control of the nation. Those advocating not re-authorizing must understand exactly what they’re doing.

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  21. EggsX1 says:

    I was not impressed with Doug Collins here. I like Lou bringing up this issue but even Lou didn’t really ask any probing questions. Collins really wants us to know that he has written some letters!!

    He provides no explanation on what kind of ‘reform’ is going to make FISA work. Simply stamping FISA with ‘reform’ is somehow going to make the program acceptable to the public?

    Supposedly FISA must be renewed to ‘get the bad guys’, but the ‘bad guys’ keep turning out to be the political opponents of the intelligence community.

    Will any republican vote against the bill, or are they just going to complain?

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    • Pale rider says:

      There is that chance that you answered your own question. “Get the bad guy” and “ political opponents” . Doug May see it that way also, he is in government!
      The lines are not clear because they have no morals and using a tool to destroy an opponent, even if it destroys freedoms, is their resume.

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    • CountryDoc says:

      And the “good guys” keep turning out to be bad guys, or neutral place holders that allow the destructive agents to keep operating.

      Sometimes I feel I am following and endless leapfrogging charade of good cop/bad cop.

      While I Trust Sundance and POTUS (because if I don’t, there is no basis for hope in this nation), I totally trust no one. No man. No group of men. Neither did our Founders. Even General and President Washington knew he must step down as President in order to honor the principles of his collective work with the Founders.

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  22. Retired IG says:

    FISA reauthorization, is “A little bit of a strain on the gut,” as the eminent Lou Dobbs put it, ITS NOT JUST THE FISA COURT. It’s that paranoid, schizophrenic mentality where the “intelligence community” and their POLITICAL minions (remember their control files) VOTED and DECIDED that American’s will not be SAFE UNLESS THEY HAVE THE POWER TO SPY ON US. Through their email, the phones, their TV’s etc. The FISA Court is just a rubber stamp on all of the SPYING ALLOWED UNDER U.S. PATRIOT ACT.
    Ever have your phone tapped that you’ve known of? Before digital phones (including land lines) did you ever hear the “click, click, click,” as background noise on a phone call? Snort. I followed a blog not mentioned here long ago and people were commenting on the intrusion that had never occurred before. Heard it on my phone as well
    What is dumbfounding to me is that many are po’ed that the Trump campaign was spied on and the FISA court merely rubber stamped the entre venture. But at the same time are not equally concerned that our “private effects and correspondences” are fodder for the BIG BROTHER HOLDING COMPANY (sorry Janis Joplin), the NSA.
    Where any Tom, Dick, Harry or Sally can just go searching for shit on you, and unmask your identity, or sell that job to contractors to do their bidding, is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
    Barr is NOT GOING TO GIVE UP THAT POWER., and NEITHER WILL ANYONE ELSE.
    Apologize for breaking comment guidelines CTH.Admin. Namaste – which translated means “from my heart to yours.”

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  23. ChampagneReady says:

    The FISA Court has to be complicit in the willful blindness. With the Boasberg appointment of an openly vocal and professed Trump hater to recommend revisions ? Oh just c’mon. What, Clinton wasn’t available?

    Even more, after the the blatant indictment shaming the FISC by Horowitz, exposing their being hoodwinked by all the 17 different FBI frauds and lies and on the probable cause affidavits, and NOBODY is called before the court by the chief judge to show their OWN outrage by requiring these swine to show-cause not to held in contempt?

    No judge even in lower courts would allow that victimization of their court without severe repercussons.

    False swearing alone is a felony by any definition, expressly prohibited by an affiant’s oath as a sworn officer of the court. And yet the FISC judges take no action of their OWN as punishment?

    Oh c’mon. Something doesn’t smell right and reeks of under-the-rug sweeping.

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  24. mr.piddles says:

    Question: who the BLOODY HELL are the 7%?!?

    Probably a healthy mix of “Government Employees” in there… if you know what I mean…

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  25. GB Bari says:

    Just continue to expose the continuous abuse of the FISA, along with the very high vulnerability of the FISC judges to being lied to very easily since there is no one honestly playing the role of opposition to each warrant. No one is independently verifying the claims of the government that are used to justify the spying and surveillance.

    Our legal system was not designed to be this fragile. Law enforcers should not have such easy access to an anti-Constitutional tool. The threshold of proof is far too low.

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  26. jebg46 says:

    It must be made clear that the FISA against Carter Page was really to spy on President Trump. Due to the supposed 2-hop rule it allowed them to spy on thousands. We need the total number of AMERICAN citizens who were spied on. A full accounting. The public doesn’t get it. They had massive spreadsheets of the entire Trump family and all who had contact with them.

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  27. CM-TX says:

    If I see: ‘people familiar with the matter,’ or “familiar with so-in-so’s thinking” one more time … 🤯

    Do they have any idea how IGNORANT they sound!? I realize journalism is DEAD, but do they really need to confirm themselves the murderers of it in every damn article?!

    Somebody please take every possible writing tool away from these propaganda-pushing MORONS!! They have repeatedly negated their credibility, & should lose ALL writing privileges going forward!

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  28. Pale rider says:

    Throw down a marker today, I believe the tide has turned.

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  29. Richie says:

    Dobbs is getting his intel from CTH. Ive been waiting for something conclusive like this.

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  30. islandpalmtrees says:

    I remember working on this section – It seems to be Crowdstrike and it’s tools. They sell query tools too. Good if you are searching something like the NSA database.

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  31. This could be where the Republicans lose a lot of votes. They will screw this up.

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    • steph_gray says:

      On the contrary. At this point the last best hope of vanquishing FISA probably lies with PDJT’s second term, strengthening the Senate, retaking the House.

      Refusing to vote is the same old bite off your nose to spite your face insanity that R’s have too often indulged in. That and not fighting voter fraud hard enough were the two yuuuuge mistakes of 2018.

      We cannot make those mistakes again this time.

      Brad Parsquale seems to be on case #2. It’s our job to be on case #1.

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  32. Curt says:

    It’s hard to read about this deep state crap day in and day out without getting furious. When are the people of this country going to wake up?

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    • noswamp says:

      What will happen to this lady that led the erroneous briefing, with a history of getting things wrong before? Why was she even there? Why did she conduct the briefing? What will happen to her?

      Just curious about that point.

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    • noswamp says:

      Curt,
      Understand your frustration. The fate of the country lays in Durham’s work. Not Barr, because Barr will have to step aside to Durham, and if Barr does get in the way, Barr will not be AG much longer. Barr has done nothing but token actions in favor of justice. What he has done more than anything is to protect people that should be going to jail.

      I think our only hope is Durham and Grenell & Co. Trump should have fired all political appointees on day after the election, but he didn’t. It has cost him and his associates dearly. You can’t say he was not informed. NSA chief gave him the 411.

      I guess they did not phantom the depths of corruption in our gvt, and what they would do in order to try to remove him. I would have been duped myself if I were them.

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    • GB Bari says:

      The people of this country ARE waking up, but mostly it’s those who have extricated themselves from being constantly mentally anesthetized by the MSM.

      The rest are still mentally numb, being kept that way by the MSM’s 24/7 supply of not-so-laughing gas.

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  33. noswamp says:

    I say approve FISA CT, but in the Fall when we have a complete R Congress, dissolve the entire court and set up a new one simultaneously with a new name. THE COURT needs to figuratively die and some of the judges need to either retire or forever be barred from serving on the newly formed court.

    Our problem is 50 percent is with the FISA COURT. Just look at who they appointed to “clean up the court”. The judges on FISA are corrupt, starting from the Chief on down. Its a shame.

    However, when we win re-election, with a complete R-Congress, we revamp the damn court into oblivion; figuratively kill it and resurrect it simultaneously. Sorta like NAFTA and USMCA. Call the old FISA Court, SAFNA(Surveillance Act for Foreigners Not Americans) Court.

    And make sure that SAFNA will be FOREVER barred from spying on Americans, Congress, and future presidents. Explicitly stated in its enabling act. We have enough alphabet soup agencies way too eager to spy on Americans even today. Ask Rand Paul and the Trump campaign.

    PROBLEM SOLVED.

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  34. zekness says:

    the problem with fisa and the patriot act is very severe and there is really nothing that can be used as analog to illustrate the problem.

    a. even if congress changes or even terminates both programs….what faith and confidence can we truly rely upon that these powers will not be illegally abused? think about it…if the very spirit of the laws that were elaborated to prevent these abuses in a lawful power, what prevents the same actors or similar actors from simply doing it anyway? obviously the backdoors and surveillance infrastructure remains in place….think about it….has anyone even discussed removing the very tool of access that eliminate the risk of abuse?

    b. the dirty little secret no one has ever talked about is that the IC DOES NOT NEED A FISA to lawfully surveil foreign powers…this is a fact. So, even with a complete removal of the domestic surveillance, making it illegal, there is no loss to the credible authority and power to spy on foreign targets…most people have overlooked this simple reality. What this means, is what was the legitimate purpose of FISA at all? Speculation aside, what we DO KNOW, is that prior to this FISA and patriot powers enabled by congress, that spying on american citizens on national terra WAS BEING CONDUCTED….So what was the real purpose of gaining the FISA and patriot is they were doing it at scale anyway? this is a very important and critical question.

    c. lets assume the fisa and the patriot powers and are dumped overboard and buried with 1000 yards of active uranium, not to be touched for 100,00 years. the infrastructure still remains for the spying …for foreign targets..and only that…so, what prevents the IC or some private actors from using that to coverly re-create domestic surveillance for hire? The point here goes back to the cozy relationship between telecoms and tech firms (networks, computers, software, devices, IOT devices, towers, and hardware and chipsets and other communication gear)…what prevents the private corporations from continuing to do what they actually are doing right now…because I have some sobering news for some folks whom may not be aware…surveillance and spying is a big big big business in the private sector and it’s booming and has existed legally and unregulated for nearly 40 years (or more)…????? I understand the different legally between the state and private sector spying, but if the deleterious effects are the same on citizens and elections and influence from private interests and thought and culture shaping…is there really anything more powerful and un-acceptable to liberty and freedom than what is being conducted against you right this very moment, using this free app, or that free email, or that paid service or that paid service..or that cheap smart phone call and text, or that cheap wifi experience at starbucks? we have a much more broad problem here folks that just fisa and patriot powers…but certainly both of them tied so closely together with dubious NSL’s that make them all a-okay is worthy of our immediate attentions.

    d. and finally we have this…spying is now a multi-national operation..in real time. Lets assume the fisa and patriot get terminated. shut down closed up and made unlawful….lets think about what we DO KNOW…when the US IC needs to create a wall of deniability (or to twist out some external source) for the some unverified means to spy on a domestic target, what stops them from repeating the same process of simply calling for the take-out and 30 minutes of less delivery from one of the other 5 eyes to do the work? see the problem….

    we have a very very very deep embedded problem… I understand the need to take each layer apart and evicerate these unconstitutional practices…but lets not forget the bigger picture when we go down this road. We have very corrupt people in power…the power itself ..the technology itself…and what it can provide is what can create the corruption of the state. It’s powerful and it can create a wealth and private insulation against almost any penalty. I think it is time we start having this larger discussion about the nature of technology itself….not in the sense that guns kill people…okay…not in that nutball argument framework….but rather…what powers should the state have.?…what powers should a corporation have? specify them…not vague.

    license them

    for example..I cannot practice medicine..I am not a licensed doctor. It would be charged with a crime if I pretended to be a doctor even if I never hurt a patient.

    I think it’s time we regulated certain kinds of technology…specifically calling out the kinds of technology that is used in surveillance…

    this is my idea…I have not thought about it for more than a few weeks…so it’s still pretty rough.

    but given the scale of corruption..and the infrastructure that is just there unregulated and unchecked against abuse…fisa and patriot powers are just two among many of the kinds of threats to the freedom and sovereignty our constitution guarantees to us all..

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  35. zekness says:

    at the risk of being repetitive, allow me to re-post this very important facts.

    US IC DOES NOT REQUIRE THE FISA OR THE PATRIOT POWERS TO SPY ON FOREIGN TARGETS.

    So you have to challenge what exactly was the purpose of either of these powers?

    start there.

    it’s where you find the answers and thus the solution to this threat to our freedom and liberty..the very essence of the constitutional preservations of natural rights.

    why was it important to give the US IC these powers in law that were never challenged as unlawful?

    Why has the US been allowed to gain surveillance powers under these laws to scoop up american citizens on US soil, when the very legal means to perform that legally was ALWAYS available through the standard federal court system?

    Why given there is sufficient factual documented evidence that surveillance WAS conducted against US citizens at scale over a broad time frame, not related to any suspicion of criminal or terror related threat or evidence, has this secret court not been challenged and persons held to account for violating federal law?

    If the FISA and patriot powers are non re-authorized and deemed unconstitutional, as they should be, of what loss of national security related spying power exists for the US IC truly? Is it not true the CIA and NSA and FBI have formal legal authorities to conduct spy operations to foreign targets virtually unlimited in scope and basis? That does not go away….

    Why was the FISA and Patriot power tied dubiously to include parallel construction methods for “indirectly” allowing the targeting and vacuuming of mass surveillance data of domestic communications and other surveillance apparatus?

    What compelling argument has ever existed that the normal federal court system, due process, and warrant orders it provides in legal basis is insufficient for the US justice system as it applies (and protects) the US citizen?

    have we not created the very surveillance state, a fundamental violation of freedom, privacy and liberty that we accuse china and russia for deploying unchecked and all powerful?

    what really is the difference if we can permit this abuse to go unchecked and hold no person to account for these violations.

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  36. Tim Holden says:

    The bureaucracy is a labyrinth deliberately created. It can suffer some of its passages being cut off, but it will resist every effort made to diminish its size. Secret courts and covert processes suit the bureaucracy well, and this grotesque monster of bureaucracy is served by thousands of lawyers. The citizen is despised. The citizen cannot penetrate the labyrinth. He must wait. The citizen is expected to accept what he is told, or expected to forget yesterday’s lies.

    The entire process and charade played out before you is an expression of contempt. It happens on television. Before your eyes. President Trump battles this monster. Sundance casts light on the battle.

    Appreciate our few champions. Lou Dobbs is one of them, God bless him. William Barr has outlived the Patience of Lou. That’s quite a long time.

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    • JoAnn Leichliter says:

      Amen, Tim.

      I will say, though, that I do not envy Barr or anyone in his position. Just think about it for a moment. If you are an honest actor, you simply do not know where to turn.

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  37. JoAnn Leichliter says:

    The “intelligence” community is corrupt and largely incompetent. The FBI is ridiculously politicized and deceitful, and the Department of Justice has a history of abusive and unwarranted prosecutions. God only knows how the FISA court has been manipulated, and only He will ever know; it is a Star Chamber and needs to be abolished. “Secret courts” are one reason why we are not British subjects.

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  38. Sammy Hains says:

    President Trump should use FISA to wiretap every Democrat, then go on MSNBC to gloat about it.

    That might get results.

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    • SCOKE says:

      POTUS has rallies in SC 2/28 and NC 03/02. We feed off his rallies but he also feeds off us. Replace the chant of “Lock her up” with “No more FISA” many times during the rally.
      Will be way more effective than phone calls and e-mails at this point.

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      • bentley1blog says:

        scoke…what a splendid idea. Viewers and attendees would be exposed to our sentiments that way more than the above mentioned. Brilliant!

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  39. Robster says:

    Don’t know how to say this but here I go. For everyone to be saying the FISA laws need to be changed to stop this ever happening again is another way of saying ‘what happened under the previous/existing FISA laws was okay’.

    Nope, nope, nope.

    What needs to happen is the current FISA laws need to be strictly enforce and any fu**ers found violating those laws need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.

    Anybody saying the laws need to be changed is almost an admission that Comey et al were acting faithfully and following the law.

    You cant say the laws need to change while at the same time claiming Comey et al broke the law.

    Just enforce the current law and prosecute to the fullest those that break it.

    Calling AG Barr.

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  40. rigst4 says:

    This reauthorization is one reason why nobody wants any investigations or prosecutions of the myriad abuses and crimes committed using the tool called FISA and the entire Patriot Act. The Patriot Act as a whole is unconstitutional and as everyone expected, was nothing more than a whole program used to spy on ordinary Americans. All the tools at the disposal of law enforcement were adequate PRIOR to 9-11-01, it’s just that the government agencies were too incompetent to do their job. They never needed the Patriot Act. I should be repealed. It has been nothing more than a way for conservatives to be targeted, illegally surveilled and harassed. Nothing more.

    The more people know about the FISA system, the more they will demand repeal of the whole Patriot Act. It is unconstitutional. Congress, largely, has been covering up all the abuses since it began.

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  41. Cocoon says:

    When will the thousands of US citizens whose privacy was breached by Page FISA’s illegally, the hundreds unmasked by FBI contractors and the hundreds unmasked by a UN Ambassador be notified?
    No renewal until previous wrongdoing is made right.

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  42. John-Y128 says:

    The last FISA reauthorization in 2018 had no ‘reform or sunlight’, I’d guess nothing has been worked on since that, and now were asking for reform in 2 weeks, even the FISC is silent; nothing going to change.

    The three FISA authorities issues are:
    1) The “business records” provision (known variously as Section 215 of the USA Patriot Act of 2001, FISA Section 501, or simply 50 U.S.C. §1861)
    2) The “roving wiretaps” provision (also known as Section 206 of the USA Patriot Act of 2001, FISA Section 105(c)(2)(B), or simply 50 U.S.C. §1805(c)(2)(B))
    3) The “lone wolf” amendment to the FISA definition of “agent of a foreign power” (or Section 6001 of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, FISA Section 101(b)(1)(C), or simply 50 U.S.C. §1801(b)(1)(C)).

    On Jan 20, 2018, President Donald Trump signed the FISA reauthorization bill, the Act is up for reauthorization in 2023.

    “In an official statement, President Trump says that the bill allows the intelligence community to “collect critical intelligence on international terrorists, weapons proliferators, and other important foreign intelligence targets” outside of the US. He also says that he would have preferred to have signed a permanent reauthorization bill, rather than one that would expire.”

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  43. Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

    Absolutely this needs to be stopped.

    Horowitz testified that his was the first “deep dive” into a FISA warrant.
    17+ major “errors” found and no documentary/testimonial evidence that political bias was the reason (although the reasons given for the errors were unsatisfactory)

    There is NO good answer the FBI/DOJ will have to this simple question
    THAT MUST BE ASKED.

    Do these “errors” happen in every FISA application?

    Possible answers:
    1) We don’t know.
    2) Yes
    3) No (just this one).

    Now John Soloman is reporting with FOIA’d 302’s that Mueller left out several exculpatory OFFERS OF ASSISTANCE in their sentencing memo
    made by PapaD to help FBI locate/track Mifsud…..
    while jailing PapaD for negatively effecting the investigation of Mifsud…..

    who somehow Mueller claims was “out of his purview” anyway.

    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/declassified-fbi-memos-undercut-mueller-team-claims-papadopoulos-hindered

    Dollars to doughnuts they had FISA T-1’s on PapaD, Flynn and Manafort too.
    Why the hell wouldn’t they?

    Time to shitcan all of this.

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  44. cantcforest says:

    Two thoughts were unanswered in the comments so far:
    1) Haven’t there been reports that the database collected information on the Boston Marathon bombers, the Parkland School Shooter, and other domestic incidents, yet no actions were taken. So what good is this FISA thing if the only thing that is acted upon is perhaps lying to the FBI? Conceptually, the data collection would seem to be an essential tool in keeping tabs on terrorists, but not at the cost of the Fourth Amendment.
    2) Too many government committees become etched in stone and then turned into pillars of salt. Handing control of the FISA processes to a few judges seems to me to invite sloth, political abuse and general malfeasance. How about ‘grand juries’ with randomly drawn members (from maybe the military?) rotated monthly to process the requests? In other words, change processes to deter the formation of political alliances and opportunities for graft.

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  45. CountryDoc says:

    One of the cancerous realities of this nation is that the group of professionals who are supposed to be “experts” in the law, do not, in fact respect the law or its sacred purpose — lawyers. Even in my conservative state and town 90% of lawyers see The Law as something to get around. Our Judges come from the same pool of people who earn their greatest respect and advancement by getting around The Law, and therefore are conditioned not to respect it. Then, when they become judges, sworn to “Uphold” The Law — they see themselves as having the power to reinterpret the law.

    There are two things that govern this country — Morals and Laws/rules. This country was founded (and it is writ undeniably in every document and correspondence of our Founders) on the assumption AND declaration that God was the author of Truth, the Author of our Created rights, and the ultimate standard.

    Our elected officials take oath to uphold the nations Constitution, and they do so by touching, and placing their hand on the Bible — the most tangible form of the Law and Truth of our Creator — we do not swear on a King, a President, or even the will of The People. We Pledge to the People, swearing our oath to God and His Truth.

    Until our people, our citizens, our Legisltors, our Judges, and our Executives/Enforcers really hold sacred and of vital importance our Constitution — we will continue to have trouble as a nation.

    This must happen at a spiritual level to every citizen from birth, in order to build a strong nation.

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    • ms doodlebug says:

      It seems the purpose of “the group of professionals who are supposed to be ‘experts’ in the law” is not to respect the law but to make an end-run around the law.

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  46. cantcforest says:

    Two thoughts were unanswered in the comments so far:Z
    1) Haven’t there been reports that the database collected information on the Boston Marathon bombers, the Parkland School Shooter, and other domestic incidents, yet no actions were taken. So what good is this FISA thing if the only thing that is acted upon is perhaps lying to the FBI? Conceptually, the data collection would seem to be an essential tool in keeping tabs on terrorists, but not at the cost of the Fourth Amendment.
    2) Too many government committees become etched in stone and then turned into pillars of salt. Handing control of the FISA processes to a few judges seems to me to invite sloth, political abuse and general malfeasance. How about ‘grand juries’ with randomly drawn members (from maybe the military?) rotated monthly to process the requests? In other words, change processes to deter the formation of political alliances and opportunities for graft.

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  47. Julian says:

    What’s AG Barr hesitant about exactly?

    Doing his job?

    Didn’t he do a great speech talking about how he wanted to Drain the leftists from the Federal bureaucracy? Or was that all just a fantasy not based in reality?

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  48. cantcforest says:

    “Mr. Barr has said the current FISA process needs more oversight from the Justice Department, in light of the inspector general report, but has defended the law itself as essential for national security.”
    I’m supposed to believe that more scrutiny by a corrupt DOJ will protect me????

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