WaPo Leads Conflation Effort Claiming Divergence Between Barr and Horowitz on Origin of Trump Investigation….

A Washington Post spin article attempts to defend the DOJ/FBI “small group” 2016 campaign effort by claiming vindication from IG Horowitz and U.S. AG Barr not accepting the finding.   But not so fast…

Before getting to the WaPo narrative construction a little background review is worthwhile; starting with the original investigative purpose of the IG review.  The Horowitz review was initiated to look into how the DOJ and FBI secured a Title-1 FISA surveillance warrant against U.S. person Carter Page:

IG Horowitz was never investigating the predicate claims that initiated the CIA/FBI operation known as “Crossfire Hurricane”.  So how exactly would AG Barr and IG Horowitz be diverging on an aspect to a predicate that Horowitz was never reviewing?

Additionally, IG Horowitz was never tasked or empowered to interview CIA officers who are known to have been at the heart of the pre-July 2016 operation.  Horowitz was/is focused on the DOJ and FBI compliance with legal requirements for the FISA application that was assembled for use in October 2016, and renewed throughout 2017.

So what we are seeing in the Washington Post framework is the intentional use of a narrow IG review to obfuscate, provide cover, and conflate a larger investigation undertaken by U.S. Attorney Durham. The media attempt to conflate two narratives is not accidental.

 

Going back to the apropos statement by David Mamet: ‘in order to succeed in their endeavors leftists have to pretend not to know things’; never is this more clear than when you consider the status of U.S. Attorney John Durham.

Obviously the investigation by Durham is the key investigation of the political activity of the intelligence community during the 2016 election; but have you ever seen a single media journalist attempting to interview Durham about the progress?  Think about it.

You know what it looks like, you’ve seen it a thousand times on television.

…The U.S. attorney is walking into the office from his car and a half dozen cameras and reporters are rushing alongside and asking questions.   Have you seen that customary media effort even once since U.S. Attorney Durham was announced as investigating the origins of the Trump campaign surveillance?   No, why not?

Have you witnessed a single reporter even attempting to ask cursory questions to U.S. Attorney Durham?  The reason for the void is within what Mamet described… the need to pretend not to know things.  Combine that ideological need with intentional leaking to Washington Post reporters like Devlin Barrett and you discover the strategy, reason and purpose for a conflation of investigative findings.

This crew of corrupt and political FBI, DOJ and IC officials, hang out socially with same network of media journalists, friends and spouses who cover them.  These are like-minded travelers who together with political operatives all collate in the same tribal circles.

Think of what would happen on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS or a Sunday talk show if a person were to ask the pundit: Hey, Chuck Todd how come you never see an NBC news crew and satellite truck trying to get a comment from John Durham?…

Within the WaPo article they note: “Barr or a senior Justice Department official could submit a formal letter as part of that process, which would then be included in the final report.”  Why is that sentence placed within the WaPo chaff and countermeasures?

The answer is simple.  The described AG letter is transparently going to be included, because Barr has to explain -with an ongoing investigation- that Horowitz did not have access to CIA, DIA, ODNI and ancillary contributory information that builds out on the FISA aspect to his IG 2016 election review.  The Horowitz report is a fact-finding investigation for one important part, but it is only one part.

Understanding that Durham is looking at the July 31st, Crossfire Hurricane predicate; and the intelligence activity that preceded that predicate; it makes sense for AG Bill Barr to qualify the parameters of the Inspector General FISA report.

Additionally, understanding that Durham is looking at the preceding 2015 and 2016 predicate, it makes sense within the collective network of interests we would see this type of political priority resurface:

U.S. Attorney John Durham’s investigation into the origin of the James Clapper and John Brennan initiated Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) is a risk to all of the interests who assembled the 2016 vast Russian collusion-conspiracy.   Again, Horowitz was not tasked to go anywhere near this.  Horowitz is looking at whether the DOJ and FBI complied with internal DOJ/FBI rules and processes during their FISA application and use within the FISA court.

The Washington Post wants to sell a narrative that AG Bill Barr is not accepting the inspector general finding on the origin of the Russia investigation; but the inspector general did not investigate the origin of the Russia investigation. The purpose of the WaPo report is to intentionally conflate the two issues.

(Via Washington Post) Attorney General William P. Barr has told associates he disagrees with the Justice Department’s inspector general on one of the key findings in an upcoming report — that the FBI had enough information in July 2016 to justify launching an investigation into members of the Trump campaign, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael Horowitz, is due to release his long-awaited findings in a week, but behind the scenes at the Justice Department, disagreement has surfaced about one of Horowitz’s central conclusions on the origins of the Russia investigation. The discord could be the prelude to a major fissure within federal law enforcement on the controversial question of investigating a presidential campaign.

Barr has not been swayed by Horowitz’s rationale for concluding the FBI had sufficient basis to open an investigation on July 31, 2016, these people said.

It’s not yet clear how Barr plans to make his objection to Horowitz’s conclusion known. The inspector general report, currently in draft form, is being finalized after input from various witnesses and offices that were scrutinized by the inspector general. Barr or a senior Justice Department official could submit a formal letter as part of that process, which would then be included in the final report. It is standard practice for every inspector general report to include a written response from the department. Barr could forgo a written rebuttal on that specific point and just publicly state his concerns. (more)

See the wordplay?  There are no “concerns“, there are distinctions.

I’ll be the first person who will call out the IG for whitewashing the findings of his investigation depending on the evidence he outlines or hides.  Horowitz did that with the 2018 report on DOJ/FBI activity in the Clinton email investigation.  However, that said, I’m also the first person to say ignore the media, and let’s wait and see the actual report.

…”How incredibly tragic is it, with all the documents and communications that AG Bill Barr & U.S. Attorney Durham can see today, that they are not acted upon BEFORE the House can brand President Trump with the words “Impeached President” for the rest of eternity.”…

FUBAR !

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345 Responses to WaPo Leads Conflation Effort Claiming Divergence Between Barr and Horowitz on Origin of Trump Investigation….

  1. sundance says:

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    • The Boss says:

      Good advice. We can wait another week while WaPo soils itself.

      Liked by 8 people

      • zekness says:

        when soil has to take a number two, it wipes with WAPOST.

        it’s called a number three ..it really is that disgusting.

        I lined a bird cage with wapost…little fellas pulled a jailbreak and never have returned.

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      • hoghead says:

        The washington post has soiled itself again? How can you tell?

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          WaPo Reports
          BATTLE RAGES ON BETWEEN AG BARR and IG HOROWITZ

          Trump’s destruction of the DOJ continues to rock DC.
          According to multiple sources familiar with the matter, Conspiracy Theorist and Personal Attorney to the President, William Barr, recently had a strident confrontation with Inspector General Micheal Horowitz, an Obama appointee.

          According to the sources, the raucous disagreement revolved around a fancy multi-course dinner party event the IG hosted and Horowitz’s insistence to serve as an appetizer…

          10 year old frozen tater tots with chocolate dipping sauce

          This selection apparently resulted in chain-reaction vomiting followed by explosive diarrhea by the attendees and an evening cut short before the second course.

          “I thought their chewiness and slight green color was simply because the totted potatoes weren’t ripe yet. I guess I should have listened to Bill who told me that tots were supposed to be cooked and the color was most likely due to salmonella.” said Horowitz according to a still recovering dinner victim.

          CNN BREAKING NEWS with Wolf Blitzer

          BOMBSHELL reports tonight as the foundations of the DOJ continue to fracture!

          Several sources are reporting that Trump’s Hand-Picked Attorney General and Obama-era Inspector General Micheal Horowitz are at each others throats, having
          quote LOUD RAGING SHOUTING MATCHES endquote

          Initial reports say it is related to a long simmering disagreement between the two that-if true-is a sure sign the Department is increasingly becoming partisan in nature thanks to Trump.

          Sources say that BARR asserts
          athletes foot powder is to be used TOPICALLY
          while the IG insists he’s been told
          it’s to be mixed with water and injested ORALLY.

          Stay tuned.
          Our ALL-STAR PANEL is here to discuss these latest developments

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      • mopar2016 says:

        Lets pretend we don’t know that the WaPo is influenced by the CIA.

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        • Sentient says:

          Ever since SunDance explained this a few years ago, everything has made more sense:

          Washington Post: official mouthpiece of the CIA
          NY Times: official mouthpiece of the FBI
          CNN: official mouthpiece of the State Department

          The weird thing is that they don’t even bother to hide it or switch it up once in a while. They figure regular folks won’t notice – and they’re right. Beltway journalists don’t even let on, and they have to know.

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          • zekness says:

            at this point, they have no ambition to deny it…it’s a recruiting welcome sign for the corrupt reprobates who despise american values…

            it signals to the lost and desperate anarchists: bring us your taletnt and we will make you part of the most esteemed agents against power ever in history.

            it attracts lost of lost sous with plenty of false claims..the babylon of the modern age.

            unfortunately, these people will have very hard lives…well, not unfortunately…

            it’s like wearing a sign..why completely demolish the foundations upon which they thrive?

            it certainly makes it easier to get them all in one group….

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          • Will Hunt says:

            reading/understanding the genesis of the CIA will explain a lot about where we are today.

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            • Doppler says:

              Hi Will, I read Devil’s Chessboard and JFK and the Unspeakable a few years ago, which were shockingly informative on the CIA’s early years. Are their other sources you recommend?

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        • justlizzyp says:

          All the other leaks went through NYT (FBI channel) so when I saw this one come from WaPo I knew exactly what the intent was. Brennan/ Clapper are the two with the most reason to need people to believe that Barr is only pursuing the Durham investigation because he’s a rabid partisan Trump lapdog. Had this really been a story about the FBI wanting to put out that Barr disagreed with Horowitz finding adequate predication it would have gone to Devlin.

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        • Tl Howard says:

          Makes Bezos feel like a really big guy to do business with the CIA. Those HGH injections he takes has turned him into a monster.

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      • inspectorudy says:

        I can say for certain that Horowitz will only find Clinesmith guilty of altering a FISA warrant and maybe will note some “Poor” judgment and FBI procedures but he will not pass any criminal referrals. Just like the hillary e-mail scandal all, he found was poor judgment and sloppy work habits. Things like not swearing in hillary and her gang and allowing them all to be in the same room during the investigation. Allowing them to destroy their electronic equipment after the meeting. Strzok and Page e-mails were not biased.

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        • nimrodman says:

          “… Hillary … not swearing in hillary and her gang and allowing them all to be in the same room during the investigation …”

          Yeah, so they could all keep their stories straight
          Assigning co-conspirators as he personal attorneys

          I tell ya, next time I get called for jury duty I’m telling the judge I’ve lost all faith and belief in the justice system after seeing how the FBI granted Hillary so many evident legal laxities in that case

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        • Will Hunt says:

          Thank you for the update Mr. Horowitz.

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        • Horowitz is the current “DoJ Whitewasher”

          His main function is to sanitize the public image of the FBI/DoJ, and protect the DC status quo. He represents the latest layer of DC CYA.

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    • Garavaglia says:

      A good message for ALL of us. Me included. I will know what it says after its release..not a moment earlier.

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    • John Obidienzo says:

      …”How incredibly tragic is it, with all the documents and communications that AG Bill Barr & U.S. Attorney Durham can see today, that they are not acted upon BEFORE the House can brand President Trump with the words “Impeached President” for the rest of eternity.”…

      And if he shall wear that distinction, may it be worn a crown of triumph over those who put it upon him, and may his crowning achievements stand the test of time, making them look the fool.

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      • Dutchman says:

        John O,
        You mirror my thoughts, exactly but with far more eloquence and class, than I could have given the topic.

        Kudos to you sir!

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      • coolmamie says:

        Trump is a showman, and he perfectly understands the power of the underdog narrative. David v. Goliath. He is setting himself up as David, and impeachment will make the Democrat/Deep State Goliath even more hated.

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        • Doppler says:

          I especially like this David vs Goliath metaphor when I think of the Dems looking to Schiff and Nadler as their Goliath to send out and taunt the Hebrews to send out a champion for one on one combat.

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      • chuckyschmucky says:

        Impeachment of this president will forever be a stain on the unhinged, un-American Democrat House majority, not this great president.

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    • Madglobal says:

      Barr’s letter, if it provides a rationale for Durham, should include declass material. It only makes sense.

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    • luke says:

      ”“Impeached President” for the rest of eternity.”“

      I guess this is the reason for this last minute push on the impeachment front. I suspect it is the reason for the entire sham. They never had enough to get Trump removed from office; though might as well try would be gravy if it had worked. This was a farce to tar and feather him before he dropped the hammer on them IMHO. Keep all the normies confused.

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      • OlderAndWiser says:

        For those who do not know of these things, there are really 2 reasons for impeachment: the first obvious one is crass partisan politics of the worst kind. The second is not so obvious: many left wing and never Trumpers bet on the impeachment – and they push their politicians ferociously. The odds in Jan 2017 were about 40-50%. I know several rabid lefties who bet. It would be interesting to know how many of the House members and their staffs and families bet on the impeachment.

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        • luke says:

          I can tell you when Trump was in the inaugural phase I was freaking out. I was very concerned with the Stein recount turning something up. Then again directly after the hiring of SC Mueller. I believe both times if the pressure would have kept up like it is now they may have gotten him. Lol but thank God those assholes missed the boat.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Noteworthy is that BARR decided to respond at all to this particular
      “breaking news” story….having essentially ignored all the others.

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  2. Elric VIII says:

    Where lies are truth and facts don’t matter, down is up and up is down. “You are about to enter The Twilight Zone.”

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    • JohnCasper says:

      Nothing is what it is because everything is what it isn’t. And contrary wise, what is, it can’t be. And what it can’t be, it must be. You see?
      – Through the Looking Glass

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      • Elric VIII says:

        “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”

        “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

        “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master – that’s all.” (Looking-Glass 6.63-65)

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        • JohnCasper says:

          The sun was shining on the sea,
          Shining with all his might:
          He did his very best to make
          The billows smooth and bright
          And this was odd, because it was
          The middle of the night.
          – Alice in Wonderland

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          • pocaMAGAjunta says:

            Cold hearted orb that rules the night
            Removes the colors from our sight
            Red is gray and yellow white
            But we decide which is right
            And which is an illusion
            – Moody Blues

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            • zekness says:

              dangit…man…now I have to stop what I am doing and go spin some old vinyl….

              well, thanks!

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              • RatedProduct says:

                I’ve got the 8-track.
                If only I had a player that worked!

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                • zekfidle says:

                  fun hobby: going to flea markets and yard sales and buying old audio AV gear…then repairing them. Started as a purely curious effort.

                  I have actually made it a small biz on the side.

                  it’s fun the listen to great sound from the vinyl on old vacuum tube amps…whilst working on old players and old vacuum tube amplifiers.

                  I recently restored a reel to reel AKAI system…was my Dad’s..something he picked up in Korea many years ago. Huge set. The motivation was to learn what he had recorded in the reels..they were not marked…boxes and boxes of tapes..

                  Many of them were recordings he made just in combat missions in vietnam, of him leading his men in prayer and of the intimate thoughts he decided to memorialize about his experience, his fellowship of faith with his fellow soldier, and some political musings. He also recorded some VC propaganda..It’s like a walk back in time. He also had some “pirated” pop music too. Strangely, the old man appreciated the works of the young jackson five group…lol…what a gas! Imagine someone listening to that back then, in a war zone, with men dying every day…and fast forward and try to see what the world has become from that experience.

                  A special soldier, who loves his country and demonstrated the finest character that defined his generation.

                  So much respect for combat veterans folks.

                  so this season, please, if you have some time, go visit a VA…bring some joy and hope to many of these men..Many of them are alone ….many do not have that many years and months of living left. A simple gesture goes a long way. It will improve your health too. Nothing speaks to the health of the soul than just doing something with a caring loving heart.

                  God Bless everyone at CTH

                  Do not let your heart be troubled with the current political unrest…Pay attention to the big things…because when this is over…you will have the big things taken care of…the rest my friends are simple oat meal cookies.

                  Have faith,

                  R,
                  Tim

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      • John Obidienzo says:

        “Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid.” – Valery Legasov

        There was as much a sufficient basis for the FBI to open an investigation into the Trump campaign as there is a sufficient basis to open an impeachment inquiry.

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        • Dutchman says:

          Truisms are funny things, and often only tell half the story.

          For instance, while its true that a prosecutor CAN indict a ham sandwich, CONVICTING a ham sandwich is near impossible.

          And, its accurate to say that a lie can run around the World, while the truth is still lacing up its running shoes, …
          BUT, Truth is a marathoner, once the,shoes ARE,laced up, it just sets a pace, and keeps on running.

          Inevitably, eventually it catches up to the lie, and puts one of those laced up running shoes, about 4 1/2 feet up the lies *ss.

          Impeachment in the House, is the equivalent of being indicted.

          Conviction or not guilty, comes in the Senate.
          BRING IT ON!

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          • ILOT says:

            Dutch: I know it’s premature, but have you shifted in any way your assessment of Mr. Barr given his statements? I seem one of the few that did not doubt but could not ignore that in 1991 he had 100% Senate support and mere party line support in 2019. I found it very telling and remain hopeful that it was more about fear from the left and not typical politics. Just curious in getting a real time read on any shifts in your sentiment towards the man. Please don’t read this as an “I told you so”. We both know there is much yet to be done.

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            • Dutchman says:

              No offence taken, at all, and thanks for asking. My view of the Uniparty is they focus on optics, so the difference in votes means nothing to me.

              If they wanted the APPEARANCE that Barr was a housecleaner, rather than a cleaner, Schumer would direct his caucus, the Dems, to vote against confirmation, to appear united in opposition.
              To me, all Senate votes are a sham, like the image (appearance) of ‘squishy’ R’s.

              There are NO votes to recess, and it only takes ONE Senator to vote to recess.
              Mitch and Chuck control committee assignments, staff and office, ethics investigations, and of coarse access to the D and R Congressional campaign funds.

              If told to squat and sh*t on the floor of the Senate, thats what Senators would do.

              So no, since my view of McConnell as a leader of the coup, corrupt to the core Globalist anti-Trumper has not changed, and he gave assent for Barr to be confirmed, my view of Barr isn’t changed by optics, or nice speeches.

              Lindsey gave a nice little sleech, at the Kavanaugh hearings, too. Cost him NOTHING, and probably insured his reelection.

              2 weeks later, he,was working with the same Democrats he said he hope would never be in power again, to assault the 2 A, with National Red letter law.

              Ignore Optics and words, focus on actions and consequences, and see what you see.

              The IG report will tell all, regarding Barr. And no, I care not about referals, as recent history shows they mean nothing.
              We’ll see what happens…

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  3. Your posting is an excellent analysis Sundance. Thank-you for your efforts.

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    • nimrodman says:

      Yeah, Sundance is a dog

      He’s a bird-dog
      Awooooooo

      Me – I’m such a pedestrian rank-amateur news reader
      I read the article – think I understand what it says

      Sundance starts off right away with “ok – why is this being written just now?”
      and who wrote it?
      and for what purposes of obscuration did they write it?
      then starts tugging at a thread like a retriever

      We thank God for ya, Sundance
      we really do

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  4. Road Runner says:

    Sundance, while I presume the ‘body’ of the IG report will reveal many acts of a criminal nature as to the FISA filings, I also presume that the IG’s summary will sugar coat most of it…

    My question to you is when do you predict Durham will begin dropping his findings/indictments?

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      My guess is that Horowitz will attribute all of the abuses related to the FISA applications to “sloppiness”; “laziness”; “tight time schedules”; “poor communications”; and other procedural faults and failings.

      Was looking at the composition of the Senate Judiciary Committee looking for any possible resemblances to House Members like Jordan and Ratcliffe and Nunes for the upcoming Dec 11 hearing with Horowitz.

      REPUBLICAN MEMBERS. Lindsey Graham Chair

      Chuck Grassley (IA)
      John Cornyn (TX)
      Michael S. Lee (UT)
      Ted Cruz (TX)
      Ben Sasse (NE)
      Joshua D. Hawley (MO)
      Thom Tillis (NC)
      Joni Ernst (IA)
      Mike Crapo (ID)
      John Kennedy (LA)
      Marsha Blackburn (TN)

      Grassley if in the mood. Cruz could be effective. Blackburn is very conservative but not experienced. Hawley? Kennedy maybe.

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      • The scope and parameters of Horowitz’s team’s mission all have to do with “process and procedure.” Not people. “How,” not “who.” Fair enough. His role is not that of a prosecutor. He doesn’t point his investigative finger at particular people. But he certainly can point out the holes in the dike.

        Basically, we are now confronted with the realization that “the 1970’s era FISA system is now a burning heap of collapsed ruins.” It failed all of us – and the judges who were supposed to administer it – utterly. “How can this be?” Tell us, Mr. Horowitz …

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        • zekness says:

          that is the correct way to describe his mandate and authority.

          I think of it this way: NTSB findings.

          the object is to furtnish a report that makes recommendations ..often changes to policy and process and manual and training…You NEVER find a single person being blamed for ANYTHING. Regardless, people in this aviation community (I am one) understand the necessity of an independent group that makes this assessment without the requisite to infer criminal wrongdoing. It allows the fact finding to happen as nearly ideal in discovering what went wrong and how to improve going forward..Often, almost every time such a report is finalized, the FAA will respond with significant changes to airworthiness related items, be their internal controls, procedures, and checks, and fine tuning even weak components.

          When I read the OIG, I always think of NTSB.

          what I am most concerned about is how much coordination and infuence actually happens with OIG..if the last round was any suggestion…it might not be as objective and truly empowered as it needs to be..Mostly because the signoffs…Within NTSB..you have field subject matter experts…they are not often ever whitewashed…particularly if they are all pointing at the same findings.

          this is where the OIG differs, IMO…there seems to be a fleet of attorneys who work there, whom may not have the best intentions in developing a finding that implicates that corruption within the FBI was at the highest levels. So they just skip making that part of the report at all.

          As opposed to the NTSB, which has and will report in FAA lack of controls and outright corruption..as a finding.

          neither NTSB or OIG are perfect….but I find it interesting to compare how they operate and where they have established “world class” premiere level investigations.

          I don’t expect that from DOJ OIG…there is something that has happened that goes right at the root of the russia-spy-gate…the predicate issue…you open that up and explore it with the diligence of a truly independent investigative body, and it likely expands the investigation into fisa abuse.

          hence, the intelligence of horowitze to counter this crisis and expected lack if interest by est two special prosecutors outside of DOJ!

          Horowitiz will give us a neutered recommendation pehaps at best referring some schmoo for breaking an administrative policy…at best that.

          I look to durham and huber for what matters..

          I hope this explanation…(I concede most of it is purely My Opinion), helps adjust assumptions…I’ve read alot of commenters here and other places that has put alot of silly pre-conditions on the weight of the horowitz report. Don’t do that.

          It’s exactly what SD is calling out from the WAPOST piece.

          conflating these matters is a careful psyops misinformation campaigh.

          when horowitz happens, ..they will say…see nothing burger…we told you!

          then when durham and huber..they will say…oh, this was already handled..this is yet another desperate attempts by the GOP to go on a witch hunt..the gaslighting like we witnessed so many times before..in the press..and by every single member of the dem party in congress.

          don’t fall for it.

          understand the dimensions and the scope and the separate authorities and teams assigned specific roles.

          this is what is required…again, this is a 800 pound gorrilla…a 5,000 pound elephant…you can’t possibly expect to eat the entire thing in one sitting..you pick it apart..day after day after day after day..and a squad of top shelf prosecutors who KNOW the law and are using it for all the right reasons…

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          • jbowen82 says:

            The IG report has a limited scope to look only inside the DOJ at the FISA submissions, although there is some latitude to look at other matters uncovered. The IG reports WHAT happened, not WHY people did it. The IG report is a step forward, but not the final step by any means.

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          • Huber, you say? Didn’t he disappear many moons ago?

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            • zekness says:

              don’t know that for certain..

              it’s important to acknowledge that unlike the comey and mueller crowd ZERO LEAKS have happened with huber and durham….I like that sign..I don’t consider it anything other than, they are serious about their charges!

              also important is that the timing of grand jury indictments are probably linked to and predicated on horowitz..while they run parallel, there is some shadowing going on…

              Defenders say what appears to be slow progress may be a function of Huber having to wait on Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who is conducting his own investigation into the department’s mishandling of the Clinton and Trump probes. They point out that Huber is shadowing Horowitz’s slow-moving probe and lending any prosecutorial support he sees fit to provide. Inspectors general do not have the power to subpoena outside witnesses and compel testimony, or convene grand juries and seek indictments.

              “I am surprised by witnesses saying that they have not been contacted. And there has been no public indications of his use of grand juries or other powers,” said George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley, who thought appointing Huber instead of a special counsel would bring faster results. “But that may reflect a priority given to the investigation by Horowitz [because] he had the experience and evidence going into the investigation.”

              He also noted that Huber may be avoiding overlap with Horowitz’s lines of inquiry.

              from:

              https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/12/22/john_huber_vanishing_savior_for_gop.html

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      • randyinrocklin says:

        Grassley-RINO
        Cornyn-RINO
        Lee-RINO
        Sasse-RINO
        Tillis-RINO
        Ernst-RINO
        Crapo-RINO
        Not a lot of choices there.

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        • Sherri Young says:

          Don’t sell Grassley short. He is a better thinker than speaker, for sure. But he is alert.

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        • Sherri Young says:

          I assume you left off Cruz because he is not in the useless RINO class.

          Ted Cruz is a former solicitor general of the great state of Texas. He used to argue our cases before the SCOTUS. He could be supremely effective against anybody the Dimms could send. This is his specialty.

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          • zekness says:

            yes, I think cruz is going to be an ace. I’ve read many of his argument..this guy is no klutz..and he has a very effective way of making a point and establishing a redirect to what matters most.

            I look to him for leadership in this committee..

            I know he will be very prepared.

            but here is the thing…and this is not to suggest these people are not going to take it seriously..

            but here I am ..56 years old…zero real world legal experience…just some knowledge.

            and I CAN SEE the glaring red flag holes in this entire ruse.

            you blow on it and it disintegrates.

            so, I have only one anxiety:

            what do the dems have up their sleeves…

            it’s really hard to accept they have been this foolish and reckless.

            that makes me wonder what takes this failed case of impeachment and gives it any chances to be sustained.

            more trickery and misconduct? that hasn’t worked very well.

            the senate is going to attack this in its present for to its expected ruin.

            so what do dems have up their sleeves.

            that is what keeps me up nights.

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            • Sherri Young says:

              Sometimes I think “they” are more worried than we are.

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              • ILOT says:

                I truly believe the left is far more worried than we. PDJT represents a 40 year setback in the progressive agenda and that is a FACT spelled out if not only through SCOTUS appointments. Add in all the other Federal Level appointments and the future of the Progressive agenda is troubled. The Dem party is in complete disarray, they have no leadership, no platform and is made up of a hodge podge of activists that now have agendas that are clearly diametrically opposed, nothing more. We need to take our wins as small as they may be and forge ahead, realizing that we are 2 generations away from restoring our Constitutional Republic, but we are in fact winning. I can’t suffer the “indictments now” emotions as it clearly means folks lack understanding of where we are as a country but most importantly the road ahead for our next generation(s).

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              • zekfidle says:

                the thing about worrying is that unless you can solve what has caused it…it becomes a real stumbling block…worrying is like fear..it’s your mind’s way of telling you to act…not to be paralyzed from it.

                HOW you work through any emotional block defines who you are, and what you become.

                let god guide your work…

                this is why the left fails..they DO have the same conflicts…but the manner in which they process to a solution has nothing to do with moral righteousness. And often, they WILL prevail in the little battles for the soul and power in this country.

                the bigger war, is to make sure their actions do not influence and tempt you to compromise your own soul.

                it is of no legitimacy that we fold our values in the face of corrupt danger.

                it’s important our direction and goals are always in line with this highest standards possible.

                schiffttty and people like him (and quite a few GOP persons) cannot be allowed to have the kind of real power they desire. We must destroy them, as we aim to remove corruption in all the ways that people like these influence society.

                it start at the home, but it doesn’t end there.

                we have a lot of work to do people!

                let the experience be a joyful obedient experience.

                r,

                Tim

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        • coolmamie says:

          Yeah. Lots of people on CTH were calling Elise Stefanik a RINO a few weeks ago, too.

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          • Sherri Young says:

            She probably is a RINO, but this impeachment effort is a constitutional matter. You don’t have to be MAGA/KAG to grasp the importance of the rule of law versus the rule of man (mob rule/dictatorship).

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      • mopar2016 says:

        Don’t like or trust anyone on that list grasshopper.
        Not even Grassley.

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        • Peoria Jones says:

          Sadly, we have lost faith in the GOP – and it is their fault, not ours.

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          • Dutchman says:

            I haven’t left the Republican party, the party betrayed me. I vote for PDJT, and if he formed an America First Party, tomorrow, I would go in a heartbeat.

            The Uniparty destroyed any chance for a 3rd party, after Perot. And, in case anyone missed it, they have infiltrated the Libertarian and Green party, as well.

            So, Uniparty really DOES mean ONE party.

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      • littleanniefannie says:

        Maybe that is why PT is asking for Doug Collins to be appointed to the Senate. He could be a game changer on Judiciary!

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      • Jan says:

        Cruz can and will be very effective because he sees the need to preserve the separation of powers and the role of the Presidency & McConnell doesn’t rule Cruz like he does just about everyone else & he’s a great Constitutionist.

        Hawley is going to be great/ he understands tech companies & what they’re doing to freedom of speech, invading our privacy.

        Lindsay??? Had a big day w/Kavanaugh. Can be an effective questioner. Same w/Grassley. Sen. Lee is also a Constitutionalist but usually a never-Trumper.

        The McConnell effect on the rest is YUGE. The majority don’t like the President. Cornyn & Tillis make statements on behalf of McConnell when he wants to stab Pres. Trump in the back.

        We have to hope our Senators have the maturity to rise above the politics and preserve the separation of powers and the authority granted to the run our foreign policy.

        Because otherwise, we are through as a country and no Republican will ever win the WH again.

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        • pbr22 says:

          Isn’t the next line of questioning still in the HOuse? Doug Collins is the ranking memeber in the House Judiciary committee.

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        • Sherri Young says:

          Although Cornyn has his finger in the wind, he seems to be edging his campaign a bit toward a MAGA/KAG direction.

          Fact is, PDJT is attracting black voters. That is a big deal in Texas. If Cornyn has any political sense — and he does — he will work through this case on a constitutional basis.

          BTW, Cornyn used to sit on the Texas Supreme Court.

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          • Cornyn will be facing Beto in a VERY challenging reelection campaign.

            He’s NOT charismatic and will desperately need help from President Trump.

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            • Sherri Young says:

              Beto has not yet filed as far as I can tell. The deadline is 12/09.

              I agree with you. Beto very likely will run. He already has his rolodex. Out of state money would flow in. He would be the cartels’ best friend, so they would want to funnel money to him. He doesn’t seem to have any other work lined up. Beto is as embarrassing a loon as Joe Biden, but the Dimms don’t seem to allow such aspects to bother them.

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      • California Joe says:

        Horowitz is the epitome of the Mamet Principle when he pretends not to know what McCabe said in the same room at FBI HQ with Strzok and Page: “First we “F” Gen Flynn and then we “F” President Trump!” Horowitz is an empty suit and his investigative staff is a motley crew of diversity hires and all Democrats! One of the worst IG agencies in the federal government and that’s not saying much.

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      • bluenova1971 says:

        Kennedy drawls, but asks the right questions. I think he’ll be fine.

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        • zekness says:

          when he is in control of the questions…surely..but he can’t seem to defend himself in a polished way..he loves the cliche’s..some of which don’t make any sense at all and get mangled..but that isn’t how you win in this setting..

          the rule of law, due process and identifying exactly what makes this impeachment process thus far a mockery to everything that has ever been done before.

          that has to be on the table and slammed in their faces…with just the correct temperament not to lose the people interest…

          one thing we do know about this case so far..is that people grew very tired of it, rapidly…

          too long…and the arguments were transparently dishonest.

          we can learn from schiffts mistakes not to repeat them

          make him the fool that he is..

          the people want to know how the gop is going to wallop schiff and crew upside the head and down the other…in a style and committment that draws attention the prior inquiry could never achieve..

          that is how you win, IMO..

          and of course, making the law as black and white as possible on the subject matter.

          both an educational episode and to highlight the lack of honesty the dems have demonstrated..

          you put them on the defensive with boilerplate arguments.

          no strawman bs…not petty business…just straight talk in regular understood terms.

          making comparison to how the everyday man faces the legal process..is a fine way to demonstrate how this thing has completeley left the rails.

          you know what that means to the disenfranchised black voters? And to many many other non-black voters?

          yeah..I identify with that…they are doing a job on this president. it’s obvious.

          make it obvious..

          that rings the truth bell for alot of people.

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        • Nessie509 says:

          Got to like his terse twitter response to Hillary’s tweet that he was supporting Putin when he said the Ukraine interfered in the election
          “Bless your heart, Hillary. Hope your feeling fine.”

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      • MelH says:

        Kind of stunning how they could have put Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs on that committee and they’d be just as effective for the job at hand.

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        • Dutchman says:

          Well, actually the DID put snow white and the seven dwarves on the committee.

          Pharisees and Saducees is all I sees!

          And if people are still deluded into thinking these people,are going to do whats in their own ‘political interest’ (i.e. to get reelected, they HAVE,to defend PDJT) well, then you just haven’t been paying attention.

          Because they are largely stealth Republicons, they will try to delude you with WORDS, like Lindseys Kavanugh speech, but DO NOT be mollified or decieved by WORDS.

          LOOK at their actions, procedural rulings, etc. THAT is where they will try to rig the process, to the,detriment of PDJT.

          If you see them falling back on the,excuse of “Rules of the Senate, sorry!” for any setback to PDJT, know that was intentional.

          Just as Nancy did, Mitch can change the rules in the,Senate any time he wants to, and get every member of his,caucus, to vote the way he tells them to.

          Look at the vote on recess, for confirmation. He keeps the ‘squishy republicons’in his pocket, so when ‘politically’he has to put legislation up to a vote that he,doesn’t want to pass, he can.

          Witness Obummercare repeal. If McStain had been too sick to thumbs,down, I GUARANTEE you, he had several Senators, warming up in the bullpen, and ready to throw that thumb.

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      • ziegler says:

        Ted Cruz has argued before SCOTUS on multiple occasions and has a winning record, I think one was a draw or split decision in that it made two rulings, one for and against on two part of same case, so a draw. He didnt lose a case before SCOTUS.

        I dont think any of the others have what it takes. Marsha is a no go, she is a paid for shill for telecoms companies. I lived in her district when she was representative, didnt like her then and knew she’d get the Senator seat. Rather her than a dem mind you, but she aint judicial or actually very legal minded.

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      • warrprin1 says:

        Both Senators Cornyn and Sasse have been conducting themselves rather differently during the House Im-preach-ment Inquiry calendar period. I cannot quote chapter and verse with supporting links because I saw the odd new behavior on a tv screen. In addition, the President has complimented both of them, separately, within the last two weeks. I wonder what may be cooking with these notorious nevertrumpers.

        Might there have been a truce declared on the part of the Senators – who happen to sit on the Judiciary Committee? Might their voters and small donors be speaking up against the dysfunctional GOPe in the U.S. Senate?

        And we all stay tuned…

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      • Dutchman says:

        Grasshopper,
        Look again. With one or two possible exceptions, your list mirrors Sundances list of Decepticons.

        Do NOT assume that PDJT has ANY friends on that committee. OR, indeed in the Senate. Contrary to the illusion he fosters, McConnell has iron fist control over his caucus, and McConnell is as threatened by PDJT, as anyone in DC.

        The,Senate trial will be Daniel, going into the lions den. It is quite possible the duplicity of the,Republicon/Decepticons will be fully exposed, so even the most naive and tuned out Republican voter can’t help but see it.

        And once you SEE it, you simply CAN’T ‘unsee’ it.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        Recent Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Freedom Act Reauthorization and FISA
        Watch from the beginning of Senators questioning
        including Leahy, Feinstein, and Whitehouse
        See also Mike Lee at 28:00
        Certainly not ruling out Oscar-worthy kabuki, but Lee seems pretty pissed.

        Oh…and Dick Blumenthal at 1:08:00 is especially good
        as he’s ASSURED the FISA process is IMPERVIOUS to abuse.

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      • Issy says:

        Cruz can be very effective. I do hope he is, and he will incur enormous gratitude.

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  5. L4grasshopper says:

    SD — thanks for a double dose of common sense and perspective.

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  6. JohnCasper says:

    “…”How incredibly tragic is it, with all the documents and communications that AG Bill Barr & U.S. Attorney Durham can see today, that they are not acted upon BEFORE the House can brand President Trump with the words “Impeached President” for the rest of eternity.”…”

    A suspicious person might almost think that something like that would have to be on purpose.

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    • Elric VIII says:

      But for whose purpose? Impeachment under the current circumstances may be seen as a badge of courage for President Trump once the truth is known.

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      • MaineCoon says:

        It will never be an historical badge to be branded an impeached president. Never.

        PDJT referred to it as that horribe word. He doesn’t want nor does he deserve to be impeached. I reiterate what I posted yesterday. When Rs regained the House, first plan of business is to void, nullify, retract any impeachment vote due to lack of process and lack any any evidenced high crime or misdemeanor. Literally, erase it off the books. Forget any rules. Just do it.

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        • rayvandune says:

          PDJT should declassify and show why the impeachment is a sham. Anybody who says he is covering himself- just say “You and your buddies are in the coup! Who cares what you think, your future cellmates?”

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          It will never be an historical badge to be branded an impeached president. Never.

          See Alfred Dreyfus regarding flagrant miscarriage of justice by government
          and
          who HISTORY eventually brands with A Badge.

          History sometimes takes it’s time.

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  7. Greg1 says:

    Sundance, as always, thank you for your insights and breaking down another spin attempt by the media to protect “their people” in, and now out, of government.

    It’s almost as if the media think they can yell “SQUIRREL” and get us to look the other way every.single.time.

    Nope.

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  8. zekness says:

    SD, I’ve used your expert analysis to destroy the WAPOST comments section….

    it’s something I do..

    have a dog in this fight..and it’s name is “cross-examine hurricane”.

    and he chews up the puny arguments in large amounts.

    when I take him on long walks down on WAPOST avenue, I unchain him.

    he is trained like a purebred military working dog…

    my dog thanks you for the great proving grounds….without it, he would just be a mutt and nothing more.

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  9. Seabee4Trump says:

    How incredibly tragic will it be for the Democrats when they are exposed for trying to impeach a president based on lies, diversions, fabrications and misdirections….the devil will be in the details of the investigation outcome.

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  10. Comrade Mope says:

    “Horowitz is looking at whether the DOJ and FBI complied with internal DOJ/FBI rules and processes during their FISA application and use within the FISA court.”
    Or as Obama said: “By the book.”

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    • littleanniefannie says:

      Again, the book is Rules for Radicals by Alinsky. What they need is the Bible, particularly the Ten Commandments (which they favored removing from everywhere). They should pay close attention to the 8th commandment “ Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour”.

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    • joebkonobi says:

      The title of the book is “By Any Means Necessary”.

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  11. Bet Barr has a press conference next week to explain things.

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  12. I have no faith in IG since the last report which was a dud! This one will be too! He’s part of the swamp and I’m not sure about Barr either!

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      Last IG Report was devastating. But the conclusion was a whitewash….and Rosenstein was running the DOJ. So no action was taken.

      This IG Report will be devastating. But Horowitz will pretend all the wrongdoing was just sloppiness and miscommunication and bad timing.

      But this time Barr is in charge…AND Durham has been busy…on a criminal investigation.

      Barr will be the real deal.

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    • ezpz2 says:

      Ditto.
      And as Sundance points out, the DOJ has enough at its disposal, that it doesn’t need to wait for a toothless IG report (my words), in order to act.

      Sundance:

      …”How incredibly tragic is it with all the documents and communications that AG Bill Barr and US Attorney Durham can see today, that they are not acted upon BEFORE the House can brand President Trump with the words “Impeached President” for the rest of eternity.”…

      How ‘tragic’ indeed!

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    • Amy2 says:

      Will Wray be testifying?

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Thanks for sharing.

      Again.
      BTW:
      Impressive and effective use of CTRL-V to continually post this prediction
      and about your faith experience.

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  13. TradeBait says:

    lol at WaPo. Trying to keep things stirred up within their tribe.

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  14. WhiteBoard says:

    its to frame the report as Political and Changed by Barr via Horowitze pleasing him. to taint horowitz’s finding as unique and unbiased.. hence the follow up report by barr saying he is seperating himself from the report ( to counter the propaganda)

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Barr/Durham are in the process of swiping their
      “We were protecting the US from Russia” excuse they’ve been giving….
      to ultimately corner them with only 2 excuses left at their disposal:

      1) Barr/Durham are politically motivated fabricators
      and finally their Alamo:
      2) “We did what we did to protect America from TRUMP”

      If the totality of the MSM and Dems follows them to 2)….
      that’s when the shit gets real.
      As Lee Smith said in interview:
      “An extinction-level event”
      One way or the other.

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  15. The WaPo and the NYT have been knocking down their own strawmen at a furious pace recently. It’s just one more form of Agit-Prop–they’ve got a million flavors. And its only going to get worse as the walls fall off and the wheels close in.

    btw, Gov. Kemp named Ryno squish Kelly Loeffler. In the words of Joe the Sniffer: “I smell Mitch.”

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  16. Skidroe says:

    You can not believe a darn thing the MSM reports. IMO They have all been blackmailed because of Obama’s spying since 2008. For 8 years he spied on everyone. I even think Brian Kemp the governor of Georgia has been blackmailed in who he is appointing for Senator.

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  17. BL says:

    Question, if every Tom, Dick & Harry gets to see their part in Horowitz’s Fisa report do they also get to see what Durham has before release as well?

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      No.

      Not even Horowitz has seen what Durham is doing or has found.

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      • joebkonobi says:

        There may be two separate processes, however in my mind Horowitz and Durham should be sharing information since their investigations definitely overlap. I know Barr has seen the draft Horowitz report and suspect Durham has also. IIRC, it was Horowitz that turned over the info on Blindsmith (or whatever his name is} adding his own narrative onto an email in the Woods file.

        IF Horowitz report does say that that the FBI had enough information in July 2016 to justify launching an investigation into members of the Trump campaign that would be a mistake as he would be operating outside his lane. Not his job to make that assessment. The predicate for spying is Durham’s job. Horowitz would be putting the proverbial cart before the horse. The preamble to the Horowitz report should lay all that out the context between the two investigations and their charters and how they overlap.

        WAPO is trying to sell dissention between Barr and the investigators. If that were true it would be a disaster. Anytime I see the tagline “according to people familiar with the matter”, I know it’s fake news. Could have been a drunk wandering around the newsroom.

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    • The Boss says:

      No, it doesn’t work that way.
      Totally different process.

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    • Issy says:

      I say no because this is not an internal investigation, but then they seem to be making the rules up as they go.

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      • Jan says:

        I think they’ve communicated frequently, exchanging info. But I think Durham keeps everything tight to the vest, especially since most of this involves the DC main offices, which is why Durham was appointed in the first place.

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    • zekness says:

      after grand jury and they are handed out indictments.

      that’s the difference.

      OIG report will produce findings..mostly internal controls recommendations..and perhaps some referrals/recommendations for criminal investigations..but plainly, OIG has no prosecutorial powers..not the job mandate.

      durham and huber is where the rubber meets the road…full independent powers to investigate, and make cases…all the way up one side and down the other. think: special counsel, without the BS mueller assemble to poison it up.

      so again, defendants in any cases established by those two for the matters they are mandated and scoped to resolve…will not be allowed privy to any materials nor will they likely even be made public due to the subject matter (classmat and tradecraft details)..until the cases have proceeded to a court schedule..then they can request materials for discovery. Right now, it’s unlikely any of this has happened, because to my knowledge neither of these two have filed any cases with any courts….yet!

      One should also be prepared (us public people) to not get any access to the little dirty details…

      THAT is good news and a pretty good prediction that the two teams are handling things correctly and the material they are handling is of the title 1 and 2 caliber level.

      The reasonable assumption is that will be afforded only what “can” be released ..like the charges themselves..with a heavily curated summary of criminal activity.

      One should not base their hopes that these two SC’s are going to commit the same damned BS that comey, mccabe, strozk, and mueller or even feinstein and schiffttty..

      I have confidence they understand and respect rule of law and fully recognize the absolute serious imperative to keep this investigation well protected and resistant to leaks and political and press interference.

      Now, if leaks of substance do occur…we can also draw some assumptions too…that perhaps either a failure at opsec has occured, or by a careful read of the leaks (should they occur at all) are part of a concerted effort to target specific individuals to raise their ugly heads and do stupid things, like make calls and send emails..or start doing the sorts of things that criminals do, when they get excited that judgement day is approaching.

      It will be an interesting couple of years…at least that.

      this thing didn’t grow into a 50 foot tall monster over night…this take down, is going to require a protracted measured strategic long game.

      I trust that will happen.

      I pray it does.

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      • littleanniefannie says:

        “ durham and huber is where the rubber meets the road“

        Does that mean Huber has actually been in a Grand Jury getting indictments from the last Horowitz report?

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        • zekness says:

          perhaps so..I don’t know that for a fact..

          there are some assumptions that have weight given the timing of when durham went “criminal grand jury” activation mode. That timing seems to line up with some leaks about what was going on with clinesmith for example. It don’t think that is wise ..the leaks..because it always is dangerous to leak grand jury details or even the timing…but then there may be a more powerful strategy at play here..think…bird dog.

          but I just don’t know for sure if anything that horowitz has reported have actually realized a criminal proceeding with huber and durham…it would be speculative on my part.

          but it would make perfect sense that any criminal referrals from Horowitz HAVE and may in the next several days wind it way up to durham and huber….assuming horowitz report has incidentally determined foul play. I would tend to assume if horowitz has done that at least once. I can imagine, and speculate, given the kinds of names and events and unredacted transcripts in open source, that there is the highest probability that many more names have been referred to both. I cannot imagine at all, those named in the media thus far, or even officially, is a complete set of tomfools….but I guess we will just have to wait and see, who gets served…

          watch for the court filing and charges..that going to be the best I can estimate right now.

          some clues also: what attorneys are hired and for whom..and what their speciality is…whom these firms have represented in the past..strong clues to distinguish between witnesses and defendants of real crimes…and then a sudden shift in representation…that too is a strong clue.

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          Does that mean Huber has actually been in a Grand Jury getting indictments from the last Horowitz report?
          Reference to this BARR interview with Jan Crawford from CBS where Bagpipe Bill continues where he left off at the SJC to SH!T ALL OVER his buddy, Bob Mueller.
          (So take a compliment from Bill with a grain of salt)
          https://www.cbsnews.com/news/william-barr-interview-full-transcript-cbs-this-morning-jan-crawford-exclusive-2019-05-31/

          WILLIAM BARR: Right, so Huber had originally been asked to take a look at the FISA applications and the electronic surveillance but then he stood back and put that on hold while the Office of Inspector General was conducting its review, which would’ve been normal for the department. And he was essentially on standby in case Mr. Horowitz referred a matter to him to be handled criminally. So he has not been active on this front in recent months and so Durham is taking over that role. The other issues he’s been working on relate to Hillary Clinton. Those are winding down and hopefully we’ll be in a position to bring those to fruition.

          Also fun is to read how Bondo Bill describes how he SNIFFED OUT THE COUP and single-handedly put it down with a 4 page memo.
          Read carefully starting here:

          JAN CRAWFORD: The four page summary that you wrote, did you ask in that MARCH 5 meeting for the special counsel to kind of REDACT all the grand jury material?

          WILLIAM BARR: Yes, not redact it but highlight it so we could redact it, we would, so, you know, the report was over 400 pages, I knew that it was voluminous and coming our way in a few weeks. My intent was to get out as much as I could as quickly as I could. To do that I would have to, as a matter of law, make sure that grand jury material was redacted because regardless of the political posturing that’s going on it’s not lawful for me to just make that public.

          JAN CRAWFORD: For a period of weeks you had asked for this material?

          WILLIAM BARR: Yeah even before the March 5 meeting we had asked or raised the subject–

          JAN CRAWFORD: And what was the response?

          WILLIAM BARR: And then at the March 5 meeting I made it EXPLICIT and then after the March 5th meeting we asked..

          JAN CRAWFORD: And what was the response?

          WILLIAM BARR: We thought it was being– we thought it was being done…but whether the wires were crossed or whatever it didn’t come in a form that identified the 6E material.

          JAN CRAWFORD: And that was a surprise to you when you got the report?

          WILLIAM BARR: Yes.

          NO it wasn’t a surprise it was CONFIRMATION
          Strange…the Special Counsel’s office DISOBEYED an order given MULTIPLE TIMES

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      • BL says:

        Thank You to all who answered my question. I was hoping it wouldn’t be like Horowitz letting everyone read & make comments. Because it could answer a lot of related things that might happen down the road, you all know the saying…. “The one who screams the loudest.” Plus even fear of the unknown will bring out the worst in some.

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      • Issy says:

        I wonder if Horowitz will have anything to say on the Ohrs?

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    • Terra Rayner says:

      Witnesses would know what they contributed but targets wouldn’t until indicted. If they have been interviewed though and they were not truthful or know someone else contributed but to a lesser extent and could cut a deal..I’m sure they would be worried as hell! Some of these ppl have been awfully quiet at a time when they would normally be all to quick to post on Twitter or head to their favourite MSM outlet.

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    • doofusdawg says:

      This is a fallacy. Durham is not writing a report. He will either find crimes or not. Barr will not discuss almost crimes… he will have a press conference to announce indictments but he will not discuss any findings. It is not his job to tell stories and he knows it. Everything was political in the previous administration and that is what Barr and Wray are trying to correct now.

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  18. IG Horowitz’s team consists of investigators, not prosecutors. But the narrowly-defined issue that they have been tasked to investigate is an extremely pivotal one: how did the FISA process go so terribly wrong?”

    Notice the word here: “how.” Not “who” or “why” or “in what greater [prosecutorial …] context.”

    I think that this report will show us how the control-process intended by Congress (in the late 1970’s) was utterly, completely, and routinely(!) “gamed.” Such that at least two of the Judges of this Secret Court ruled(!) that they knew that they were being deliberately deceived … they could not effectively make their judgments and thus perform their appointed role. Prior to the enactment of this piece of legislation, “The President Himself” would have to approve any such action. Now, there seems to be no effective accountability at all. And this is exactly the sort of question that Horowitz’s people can sink their investigative teeth into. Yes, it’s a very narrow and focused scope … “just the way they like it.” But it’s a targeted answer that we need, as our country tries to figure its way out of this unforeseen yet brazenly-exploited situation.

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    • IGiveUp says:

      Your comment, along with SD;s analysis, should form the basis of comments Barr and Horowitz ought to deliver to the press. Well done.

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    • WhiteBoard says:

      the bigger point is that – FISAS can never BE WRONG if you snoop the NSA database first to find probable cause linking information for the FISA warrant.

      thats why the focus appears to be on the predicate. sure its legal! but its highly suspect all your evidence is a news article…… (fed info to reported from fbi , doj, etc to utilize that headline as supporting FISA info).

      i snoop on Mike to find he calls Pet Stores. I tell Yahoo News a russian was a pet store in August. Mike was at a pet store periodically through 2019 and it supports his stance on russia. FISA approved. I never tell anyoen about the database because im using Comey’s secret sauce memo that cant be audited (footnote in Collyer report). BUTTTTTTTT Rudy does a sting on Weiner that ropes in the laptops that contain NSA database exports… the Pre-Coup group freaks and immunizes all laptop persons to remove the evidence.

      Rudy ended the blackmail scheme on our Hillary’s , Kerry’s, etc… where they walk servers with passwords as Password so foreign actors can access and even blind copy all emails (loui Ghomert)

      when Trump says I CAUGHT them.
      he is talking about Blackwater NYPD Rudy weiner laptop step 1. he is talking about Robacher Assange Step 2… he is talking about Rudy Ukraine Oligarch Step 3.

      CAUGHT THEM ALL.

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    • zekness says:

      excellent ….

      tips hat!

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      “how did the FISA process go so terribly wrong?”
      While I appreciate your analysis….

      Those words DO NOT APPEAR AT ALL in the IG’s Announcement of his review shown above or here:
      https://oig.justice.gov/press/2018/2018-03-28b.pdf

      The FISA process isn’t done by machines it’s done by people
      And if the process goes terribly wrong it’s because people INTENDED it to.

      See 1:08:00 herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLiHtObFGpM&t=1758s
      as we’re told how STRINGENT, ELABORATE, and RIGOROUS
      is the DESIGN of the PROCESS
      to prevent things from going “terribly wrong”
      In short, they can’t because OF THE PEOPLE.
      So good luck to Horowitz if he tries to make the case that the
      OPERATORS functioned properly but the UNBREAKABLE MACHINE BROKE.
      If he tries to….at least we’ll finally know about Horowitz

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      • Issy says:

        I knew about him after the first IG Report. The only people pinged were those that lacked candor with him, not about what they did.

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          Which is the one you’re referring to as “the FIRST IG Report”?
          The one Rod Rosenstein had to whitewash? (MYE)
          If so, Rod’s gone and there’s a new sheriff in town.

          If you’re referring to McCabe or Comey then you may want to keep your powder dry.
          They may have been DECLINED but that doesn’t mean they DISAPPEARED.

          Especially the Comey Leak Report.
          As a standalone leak/candor lacking case it was low probability.
          (Comey & Co were slippery bastards with that one)
          But it sure could sweeten a conspiracy case for a Durham.

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  19. Issy says:

    I am really tired of waiting for reports. I don’t expect much from the IG and Durham, who knows. I don’t think much will happen to the major coup plotters, so where does that leave us? The same as last time. It’s up to us to support and vote for Trump.

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  20. Mncpo(ret) says:

    They have to get way in front of Durham.

    IG Howowitz”s report is normally an internal report for the Dept. they’re investigating. They can recommend charges to the DOJ, that’s it. IG’s are all about “institutional integrity”, we all know this.

    Whatever the press makes of this, it does not stop what is coming. We know this also.

    They can try to lie, cover, persuade, or whatever.

    It doesn’t stop what’s coming. President Trump knows revenge is best served cold.

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  21. gary says:

    we’ve heard nothing from the cucks and perps this report is about. other than lisa pages whining. i think horowitz is going to skewer them. he recommended criminal charges before,which weren’t acted on,probably because barr was still zeroing in.

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    • Actually, Horowitz does not “recommend” criminal charges. His designated role is entirely procedural. Anytime his teams encounter anything which might be criminal, they have a duty to immediately notify Prosecutors. Having done that, their obligations end.

      Horowitz also will not target, nor discuss, “individuals.” That’s for Prosecutors to do.

      What he will do, certainly, is to explore how these crimes were able to take place. He will factually and objectively assess what happened, and hold it up against what should or should not have happened, and … stop right there. “Perfect. Thank you, sir.”

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        Expanding….
        While IG doesn’t RECOMMEND CHARGES he most certainly makes CRIMINAL REFERRALS and must do it “expeditiously” if found.
        Per IG Act IG must document in a report yearly the number of criminal referrals made to DOJ.

        Horowitz says so here in relation to Comey and McCabe
        “Pursuant to the IG ACT, we made referrals in both instances”

        It’s the prosecutors who bring criminal charges
        unless of course your name is James B Comey and then you do it
        or DON’T DO IT yourself

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  22. Bogeyfree says:

    Cliff Notes Version of the IG Report IMO:

    The FBI predicate and FISA investigation was proper. Unfortunately what led to this 2.5 year investigation was bad intelligence. We did find some policy and procedural issues that we will be addressing at a future time via additional training led by Director Wray.

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    • Because bias training cures sedition. Everybody knows that.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      So I guess in your cliff notes version of the report

      Kevin Klinesmith simply needs additional training in how to properly use the editing features of Microsoft Word and
      and
      the desperate and constant spinning by the NYT/WaPo over the past few weeks
      is NOT DESPERATE OR SPIN AT ALL…..

      it’s merely pre-emptive celebration that they’re all soon to get off scot-free
      (Well…..except for that mandatory “Wray training” of course…that’s gonna suck)

      But at least you’ve saved yourself the arduous task of having to read the actual report itself.

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  23. Bogeyfree says:

    By Christmas the media will have Horowitz up on the pedestal as a brilliant mind who should be running the DOJ as AG and Barr as the bias, pawn of PT who is just retaliating.

    After all Horowitz found no crimes.

    It’s going to be like off setting penalties in a football game.

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    • zekness says:

      yes, that is exactly what will happen..

      the best hope we have is that barr starts a pre-emptive leak of curated material leading up to the durham and huber indictments. Doing so, perfectly square with the law and the intentions of a good orderly account without compromising the effort.

      In this way, he can capture the oxygen again..drive the agenda from a director mode.
      and give some weight and talk directly to the people about why horowitz report was necessary and why these other sc prosecutors act independently …it moves the needle..it also creates enough media tension to get people to stay tuned …the spin is going to happen anyway..why not use it?

      i look at it this way: the people are not completely sold on this “perfectly groomed hair g-man” image….there is an element of doubt, just simply that the mueller report was such an utter failure…to the left that is how they really feel..at least outside of dc..the voters..the people that matter..those making decisions in 2020.

      the press continues to spin rather obvious self serving nonsense too. that is being inspected in ways not seen in years.

      I think we have a chance to gain momentum on this sea change…move the moon just a little bit, and roll the tide.

      all ships rise.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      After all Horowitz found no crimes.

      How far in the future are you?
      Because honesty….I’m interested to know what I’m getting my wife for Christmas…
      if you know that too.

      (I hope it’s not a subscription to the New York Times or the Washington Post….I hear they’re full of it.)

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  24. Shyster says:

    How is it that Rod Rosenstein had control over the executive summary on the IG report bearing on Midterm Exam yet Barr purportedly has little or no input on the Executive Summary on the analysis of the Carter Page FISA application? Time after time, it seems like the good guys hands are always tied whereas the black hats always have free unfettered reign. It makes me sick to my stomach and then some.

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    • littleanniefannie says:

      Sort of reminds you of the Lawfare House, doesn’t it?

      Q: Why is Nazi Plodesey in Spain?
      A: Why not since she is only Keeper of the Gavel (the only function designated for her by Law(less)fare.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Barr purportedly has little or no input on the Executive Summary on the analysis of the Carter Page FISA application?

      One:
      Where is it purported Barr will have little or no input?

      Two
      It IS purported that Barr IS GOING to add his input at least in respect to the ORIGINS of Crossfire Hurricane

      Three
      How do we know that additional input WILL EVEN BE NECESSARY?
      Rosenstein’s input WAS A REQUIREMENT to whitewash MYE
      and last I checked….he’s gone.

      Four:
      Rod Rosenstein didn’t have a Special Counsel looking into the HRC email investigation waiting to receive that report when it was complete.

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      • Issy says:

        What Special Counsel?

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          The one Andy McCabe talks about here at 30:00 mark

          and John Ratcliffe talks about in this interview from JUN 2019 at 7:20 mark

          Apparently his name is John Durham.
          When it comes right down to it what makes a Special Counsel “Special” is that he is a Federal Prosecutor given a SPECIFIC TASK

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  25. Johnny says:

    Is my memory correct that it was reported that Barr had Horowitz list any laws that were broken?

    Maybe clarification on laws that were broken?

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  26. Elric VIII says:

    Of course the FBI had sufficient basis for the FISA warrant, but the reason was fabricated, therefore illegitimate. But, hey! (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge!) Who’s to know?

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      the FBI had sufficient basis for the (ORIGINAL) FISA warrant (Horowitz)

      but the reason was fabricated, therefore illegitimate.(Barr/Durham)

      I think you’re mixing up a couple of things but essentially you’re correct.
      This WaPo article and the disagreement (seemingly confirmed by Barr) is over
      the predication for the launch of Crossfire Hurricane July 31, 2016
      NOT
      the predication for the ORIGINAL Carter Page FISA

      Horowitz making a determination over opening CH is a surprise and would be based on VERY LIMITED info mainly from the perps themselves. THIS is DURHAM’s realm.
      Also note: the article only talks about the OPENING of the investigation NOT whether Horowitz made any finding that IT SHOULD HAVE CONTINUED.
      (CH was PapaD and there are reports that Halper/Turk spying transcripts from SEP 2016 contain EXCULPATORY evidence)

      Remember these articles are the perps spinning hard about a final report they haven’t seen.

      (Oddly similar to alot of folks here in the comments section, unfortunately)

      However I do believe Horowitz MAY make a determination that he cannot PROVE that the ORIGINAL Carter Page FISA was improperly predicated…..but the RENEWALS will be the big problem
      (Even the perps have admitted evidence was FABRICATED)

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      • Issy says:

        I would like some clarification of what Rosenstein said in an open hearing. It was in answer to a question in regard to his signing I believe the third fisa renewal. He strongly inferred the document he signed was not what he was briefed on it had said?

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        • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

          You can listen for yourself.
          See 3:50:00 Matt Gaetz question.

          In Lee Smith’s book Kash Patel says that when he asked Rod Rosenstein to see the Wood’s file on the CP FISA, Rosenstein responded:

          “What’s a Wood’s file?”

          Egads.
          BTW: I think this testimony may have been the point that RR started realizing he might be backing the wrong team.

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  27. hokkoda says:

    It’s interesting how they coordinated the 1-2 punch of Page’s “predication” interview earlier today with this report later in the day. That seems coordinated, which I wrote earlier. The media is setting up to declare the report a total exoneration of all parties next week. It will not matter what the report actually says.

    They have to defend the “Russia investigation” at all costs. Everything in their world depends on maintaining that hoax. If that hoax collapses, a LOT of people go down with the ship. Not just the core team of Coup Part One plotters, but also the politicians, bureaucrats, media, and lawyers tied up in Coup Part Two (there is significant overlap in some of the people involved). Media too because they’re not really just reporting the news…it’s not a First Amendment issue if your media people are actively collaborating in the coup. They’re just co-conspirators.

    Expect the worst, hope for the best. That 2018 IG Report was a disgrace, I don’t care what the DOJ says after the fact. It was a total disgrace to write a report that contained the flat-out anti-Trump bias at the core of both the Clinton and Russia investigations, and declare that there was no bias that affected the investigations. That was a s**t report. This one looks to be more of the same. “Well we dug up all this horrible stuff, but we’re not quite sure what to make of it because these are dedicated public servants with stellar service records…so they can’t be accused of wrongdoing or bias.” You know how it goes.

    I wrote recently that Barr might do what he did with Mueller, which is to sort of get ahead of the IG with his own statement summarizing the findings and providing additional context for what Durham is doing. Expect the media to do the same in order to undermine Durham.

    Page’s interview still strikes me as somebody who thinks she comes out clean in the IG report, but is worried about Durham. She’s trying to improve her image heading into the next battle.

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    • islandpalmtrees says:

      The most interesting thing for me is, a lot of the promised declassified information has never arrived and we still have no promised date for it.

      So long as, the declassified information is not provided then Horowitz and his co-conspirators are protected.

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      • hokkoda says:

        I’m a skeptic about this whole thing, and expect a whitewash not a true gut-and-fillet of the guilty parties. However, I can see a lot of logic in not releasing all of that information when there’s a criminal probe underway. I think Barr and Durham have thought this through in terms of the sequencing. The IG report provides a roadmap, and significant problems are uncovered. However the IG is limited in scope, requiring a US Attorney to rope in all the other agencies and pieces. If they declassify too much too soon, it gives people more opportunity to get their story straight or to “explain away” issues.

        It’s like that College Admissions Scandal. If drips and drops of that are leaked out over time, nobody gets all that upset about it, and just assumes that this sort of thing goes on all the time. Instead, they roped all 33 people in one giant dragnet and unleashed a left-hook knockout punch of information. Those people never stood a chance, and the conspiracy numbered at least 50-55 total people.

        The US Attorney lowered the boom on them in one stroke.

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        • islandpalmtrees says:

          Would Mueller special counsel been appointed had the declassified information been released?

          I think the answer is no. Because the co-conspirators would not have had enough time to protect themselves from the repercussions of the information being released.

          I believe the Germans, during World War II considered this the blitzkrieg. To overwhelm your enemy, before they have time to regroup. We would overwhelm, the co-conspirators by releasing undeniable facts in tremendous amounts before they can hope to respond.

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          • hokkoda says:

            A lot of things would have stopped Mueller from being appointed. James Comey’s fake “memos” were crafted months in advance as an insurance policy to prevent his firing. He planned to blackmail Trump with them. Just like that ex Secretary of the Navy tried to do. People still don’t get Trump…he will just fire you and get you out of the way. I don’t believe any of Comey’s memos are a factual account of what transpired. I can’t prove it, because they’re all “he said/she said” about meetings with Trump, but I would bet he made a lot of things up total fabrications. Just like the phony dossier.

            But, back when Mueller was getting appointed, we didn’t know about the Strzok/Page texts, and we didn’t know about the falsified FISA renewal (Clinesmith), we didn’t know about the Susan Rice memo, or Bruce Ohr’s activities, and we didn’t realize that the Flynn interview was a setup to frame him as a Russian patsy, and we didn’t know that the ICA was based on the dossier, or any of a long list of information that we now know needs to be declassified. That stuff all got found out as a result of the Nunes investigation (for the most part, but also the Senate investigation and John Soloman’s reporting).

            I think we’ll get to see more of it over time. That’s how we rid the media of the “playing stupid” strategy they typically use. Just hand them the text messages and say, “OK, how do you explain this, then?” That’s what Trump is doing to Lisa Page telling anybody who might believe her to just go read the text messages for themselves. There’s no way you read that and think, “Oh, they’re just doing their jobs, nothing to worry about here.”

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            • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

              “Would Mueller special counsel been appointed had the declassified information been released?”
              YES

              “A lot of things would have stopped Mueller from being appointed”
              NOPE Only a STRONG AG.

              Like BARR who shut Mueller down, defusing the COUP,
              while throwing SHADE ALL OVER HIM in a SJC hearing and
              hanging him out to dry in a pathetic HJC hearing to attempt to defend his report.
              And then…..
              He appointed HIS OWN SPECIAL COUNSEL: Durham

              Declassified info HAS BEEN RELEASED and the MSM just buries it.
              The only way any DECLASSIFIED info will have any measurable affect
              is if it’s accompanied by INDICTMENTS and used as evidence.

              Just ask Devin Nunes…..
              who BTW also said this:
              “It’s clear that Rosenstein flipped at some point. Whether BARR initiated it or Rosenstein offered himself up, he started becoming very helpful”
              -The Plot Against the President -Lee Smith (pp 309)

              Helpful to Durham would be my guess.

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              • hokkoda says:

                I wasn’t attempting to be comprehensive. Of course Jeff Sessions screwed up. The commenter asked if we knew then what we know now, would there have been a Mueller investigation. The answer is clearly “no”, but it’s pointless because we can’t go back and change the past.

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                • Issy says:

                  Rosenstein, he is key to much that went on in this mess, and I would like to hear the part he played. I hope “some” report will provide answers. My view of him is not good, and I think he has much to answer for in this coverup.

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                • hokkoda says:

                  Yep, I’ve been saying that the “core” group of plotters has been extraordinarily silent the last couple of months since Durham’s criminal investigation was announced. That is very telling.

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    • MelH says:

      About Page, don’t you wonder how she can be so stupid as to smear Trump while knowing the whole world has been privy to what she wrote to Strozk, what she did to his wife and kids, and that she definitely defines the word “whore”. Were I she, I would have changed my name, moved to California wearing a disguise, and hoped to blend into the landscape. She makes me HOPE she gets indicted for being so stupid as to carry on an affair on a cell phone she must know can be transcribed.

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      • hokkoda says:

        Yeah, that’s why you have to plug your nose when you read that puff-piece she got today. These are just disgusting human beings. They lie without effort. They violate their oaths without effort.

        In the Strzok OPM letter, they called his criticisms of Clinton’s use of private email “staggering hypocrisy” because he was doing the same thing and it wound up severely damaging the FBI’s reputation. I have no doubt that Strzok read that and though, “You people have no idea what you’re talking about.” They literally do not see themselves the way other people see them.

        When OPM wrote that letter, because of the people involved, you can easily just edit/replace “Strzok” with “Page” and come to the same conclusion because they were both doing the same damn thing. But she has the unmitigated gall to state in that interview that she will be exonerated from doing anything unprofessional. “Gross unprofessionalism” was a key reason why OPM fired Strzok.

        These people are just the worst people in our society today short of drug dealers and pedos.

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  28. ezpz2 says:

    But Barr doesn’t need an IG report in order to carry out justice – which is his job!

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  29. Gretchen says:

    Sundance- I lurk here but don’t post.
    QUESTION: How possible is it that the deep state players used 702- To-from or about to monitor
    US Senators to flip them later in an impeachment hearing? Bosaberg reported widespread continuing violations, but not who were monitored. Would be remiss of the players to not get dirt for the continuing insurance policy.

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  30. islandpalmtrees says:

    AS USUAL SUNDANCE IS RIGHT

    WhiteBoard says:
    December 2, 2019 at 9:34 pm
    I just wanted to throw some random strategy thoughts out there, on why WAPO is saying what they are…

    I’m curious, is
    Wapo saying Barr disagrees with Horowitz’s findings on FISA – to get the idea in the public’s mind that when Horowitz says FISA was a Fraud that he SAID IT BECAUSE Barr made him rewrite it and be POLITICAL?

    Pretty clever disinfo campaign right? almost CIA level.

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    islandpalmtrees says:
    December 2, 2019 at 10:51 pm
    My understanding is, Barr has several approaches available for dealing with the Horowitz FISA report. One is of course, asking Horowitz to change his findings based upon information known by Barr and Durham but unknown to Horowitz. Second approach could be for Horowitz to insert his own opinion into the FISA report. Note the second approach could detail specific evidence, offsetting any potential remarks by Horowitz.

    The facts, are far more than enough to easily dispute any fabrication by the FBI for a contrary narrative. For example, Stefan Halper spied on President Trump’s campaign using a technique called entrapment. This has been documented in great detail at the Conservative Treehouse. This agent of the CIA when on to entrap General Flynn, Papadopoulos, and Carter Page. Stefan Halper earned more than 1/2 a million dollars for accomplishing his assigned task. And is a known agent of the CIA, paid for by our own government.

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    • islandpalmtrees says:

      “Second approach could be for Horowitz to insert his own opinion into the FISA report. Note the second approach could detail specific evidence, offsetting any potential remarks by Horowitz.” should be “Second approach could be for BARR to insert his own opinion into the FISA report. Note the second approach could detail specific evidence, offsetting any potential remarks by Horowitz.”

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      • ILOT says:

        I think some key points on protocol are being overlooked. Horowitz can really only “observe and report”. If he doesn’t have access it keeps his ability to see more very narrow. I was pleased to hear that when those named in the Horowitz report would be allowed to respond via recorded interviews and NOT in writing I was quite pleased. That was reported two weeks ago and those folks and attorneys involved were crying loudly. This means no lost memos, no reconstruction, only their verbal responses. This would be the last time they had a chance to amend their earlier statements. We can all add our own opinion but I largely believe this is why Ms. Page has spoken out. She is realizing that Horowitz could only go “so far” in his investigation, should confirmed his (whitewashed?) assessment in the recorded response and is now realizing that the Durham / Barr track brings on an entirely new set of challenges (including declassified info). This leads me to believe why she put PDJT and the FBI in the cross hairs which sets the media up to further their existing position statement that Mr. Barr is a shill for PDJT. The fact is, Mr. Barr, rightfully so, is working diligently to protect the office of the Presidency in spite of all PDJT’s “punctilio”.

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  31. Bogeyfree says:

    Anybody notice on the letter Lindsey sent to Pompeo last week “demanding” Ukraine communications, that there is no deadline date in the letter?

    If one was serious, would you not insert something like “I ask or request or expect these items to be submitted to me by such and such date.”

    But no.

    Also if you were truly after the truth to protect the President from this impeachment fraud, wouldn’t you be calling Pompeo everyday until he delivers these communications?

    So is Lindsey’s letter all show??

    My bet is we never hear another word on this letter again.

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  32. TheUnknownPatriot says:

    “claiming without evidence that Ukranian President…..” It’s amazing how often I keep seeing that phrase lately. “claiming, without evidence”. Funny the media keeps using that phrase now, but never once uttered it during the whole Russian collusion sham.

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    • islandpalmtrees says:

      Completely self-assured, without full knowledge of the facts. Is this another way of saying claiming without evidence?

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    • hokkoda says:

      It goes to SD’s point about willful ignorance. They can state the phrase “claiming, without evidence” as long as they never once question the narrative or seek to understand it. I remember when the DOJ criminal probe was announced on CNN, the on-air talking-heads all played dumb by mispronouncing “Mifsud” and laughing about all the “crazy” complicated aspects of the conspiracy theory. They feigned ignorance as a way to diffuse the impact of the report. See also: “debunked”…

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  33. Right to reply says:

    Perhaps POTUS is holding out on declass, and will do it himself only if the Horowitz/Barr/Durham performances are corrupt?

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  34. Bogeyfree says:

    Is this another block to due process?

    Seems like this might be important for all to see considering we are talking about impeaching a President of the United States

    After the Notre Dame and Federalist speeches one would think AG Barr would declassify this document in 10 seconds.

    But then again,

    “How incredibly tragic would it be with all the documents and communications that Barr & Durham can see today, if they are not acted upon BEFORE the House can brand President Trump with the words “Impeached President” for the rest of eternity.“

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    • Schiff is hiding the evidence of his own crimes. There’s a word for that…

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    • jbowen82 says:

      I think President Trump wants the Senate trial so that he can lay out the evidence of the massive corruption before the whole world.

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    • joebkonobi says:

      If it were a legal proceeding it would be withholding exculpatory evidence. Unfortunately it is a political proceeding. I suppose the Reps could try and censure him again but they don’t have the votes. Nothing to lose by doing it.

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      • ILOT says:

        I think you point to a reality that you unwittingly overlook. The scope of Horowitz allows for with holding exculpatory evidence and he can only do “so much” with his scope and legal authority. He can be as lazy as he likes and the participants can be as willing as much as they are willing…at least that’s my non legal interpretation. Reality bites when Mr. Durham and Mr. Barr get a mere whiff of wrong doing (policy breaches) and have the full weight of the legal system to actually follow where the facts take them (declassified info). I suspect that Mr. Wray has in fact changed his demeanor since being notified that this is on a “criminal” track. Obstruction then becomes a factor and I don’t believe for a minute that ether Durham or Barr will suffer that well.

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  35. jbowen82 says:

    This is all going to take a long time to untangle. As I’ve posted many times, there had to have been hundreds of people involved in the domestic surveillance operation against Candidate Trump, President-elect Trump, and even President Trump. The IG report on the FISA aspect is maybe 5 percent of the malfeasance. It’s important to keep following where the evidence leads, and I believe Durham is doing just that.

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  36. Bogeyfree says:

    I wonder if in all the captured NSA communications by those inside government if the words………

    This will teach him a lesson, we’re every spoken and captured in the past year and if so by who?

    Hmmm…………..

    I wonder if an individual can request a FOIA using specific words or phrase?

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  37. Sherri Young says:

    Reading Horowitz’s initiation of review announcement, it appears that Christopher Steele and Bruce Ohr could end up with criminal referrals.

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  38. Curt says:

    I’ve consistently said it before and I’ll say it again, Horowitz upcoming report will be a whitewash of the deep state conspiracy to bring down this president. The bureaucrats are running this government and they are essentially above the law. Americans were far too complacent for far too long. This republic is beyond repairable and that’s very very sad……

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  39. burnett044 says:

    to know something is one thing…to be able to do something about it is all together another thing.

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  40. pucecatt says:

    President Trump’s people need to compile a montage of certain text and also compile a video of all the newly elected Dems vowing to impeach , that video should include Maxine and Green , and play it on a big screen at all his rallies .. shame those people in front of millions every chance they get .. people’s mouths would drop ..

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  41. GTOGUY says:

    I listened to Trey Gowdy on Martha’s show today. He said that the requirements of a crime, or the preponderance of evidence of a crime did not exist for the FBI to open an investigation of the Trump campaign. He said it was all third hand gossip with no actual crime associated with it, as the dossier had not been verified or even attempted to be verified when the first warrant was initiated.

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    • hokkoda says:

      I think that’s why they opened it as a “Counterintelligence investigation” not a criminal investigation. The bar is much lower to open a counterintelligence investigation. It also allowed them to use tools, like FISA, a bit more easily with fewer uncomfortable questions asked.

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      • Issy says:

        What was the crime that allowed the appointment of a special prosecutor?

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        • hokkoda says:

          According to Rosenstein, the pretext was “obstruction of justice”. Which, frankly, was insane. But that’s why Comey wrote his memos…so that he could claim he was fired for investigating Trump. Even though he denied that Trump was a target, they set this up in a way that if Trump took action to defend himself, they could target him with “obstruction of justice”.

          That’s also why Mueller cleared Trump of obstruction. You can’t obstruct justice simply by taking legal and media actions to defend yourself, particularly if there is no underlying crime.

          But my recollection is that Rosenstein used obstruction as the pretext for appointing Mueller.

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          • hokkoda says:

            What they did to Trump was similar to what they did to Flynn…they set him up so that he would walk into a trap. In Flynn’s case, perjury. In Trump’s case, obstruction. In both cases, there was no underlying crime. Flynn would be a free man today if they hadn’t put his son’s head in a noose and said, “Sign, or we drop him.”

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          • Issy says:

            Thank You hokkoda. That sounds like something Rosenstein would say. I guess nobody bothered to follow up with what crime he had committed that led to his obstructing justice in this said crime.

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            • hokkoda says:

              I remember when it first happened comparing it to a jury trial I once sat on. The claim was negligence resulting in injury and expenses. The plaintiff’s lawyer spend 1/2 of 1 day talking about the negligence, and we got 5 days about the person’s chiropractor bills. Since he never proved negligence, we on the jury just sat patiently for the rest because “no negligence = no case”.

              We rendered a verdict within minutes. Same with Trump…no crime, no obstruction.

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  42. GTOGUY says:

    P.S. Epstein did not commit suicide.

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  43. spinoneone says:

    DoJ IG = Horowitz; Intel IC = Atkinson. Both are Democrats, but one is a swamp creature as shown by his changing of whistleblower rules to accommodate Schiff. Now it is the turn of Mr. Durham and several grand juries.

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  44. California Joe says:

    OIG Horowitz Investigative Summary: Some people did somethings to some other people!

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  45. Newhere says:

    Extremely helpful clarification.

    With all of these reports on “narrow questions” it sure would be helpful, AT LONG LAST, to finally just roll out everything and tell the actual story. These many “layers of the onion,” always with big promises of more to come, keep the general public confused, and frankly shut down.

    I hate to say it, but regular people might be forgiven for concluding at a certain point — like 3 years in — that the fact that there are no big revelations or indictments, with President Trump’s people on the job, means there isn’t in fact a big story to reveal. The “trust the plan” people think these years have been about “exposing” corruption but in fact it’s been the opposite. “Regular people” have a hard time believing things if they aren’t acted upon (if there’s one thing dems do, it’s act), and they keep hearing “just wait” but after a year, or two, or three, they tune out. It’s more politics as usual.

    This isn’t about being optimistic or pessimistic it’s just being real. I HOPE Barr and Durham will deliver. But it’s already too late. Plan schlam. That it’s taken so long is a failure — one that can be helped by declassification and indictments and a full accounting — but that it took this long will never be excused as anything but a failure. Lives have been ruined, progress for our country has been stymied, the opportunities costs are incalculable. And they have the evidence — we know they have it, because we have it. Enough deferral and delay. Now or never.

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    • MaineCoon says:

      Absolutely, unequivocally agree. “Lives have been ruined, progress for our country has been stymied ” and our President has been slandered, defamed to the point of impeachment.

      No person is more important to our country than our president and the Office of the Presidency. Everything should have been done to defend him, even if the declassifications jeopardized prosecuting the co-conspirators. He never should be branded an impeached president.

      At this point, and on this issue alone, he is no better than Sessions because he has the evidence and he hasn’t realeased it. He’s allowing an innocent man, the President of the United States, to be persecuted and illegally prosecuted in the arena of a botched public proceeding.

      Plus, this OIG Report was to be released Sept/Oct. Long overdue, but announced by Lindsay that it would be released Dec 9. Why did he make that announcement instead of Barr? He then gave Schiff/Nadler their dead.ine to vote on impeachment….probably on the 8th.

      Every single one of them is a character in this drama and Lindsay just played his part.

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  46. Free Speech says:

    Next circus to follow: Barr pressures Horowitz to alter IG report findings says the 3rd hand testimony of courageous DOJ whistleblower (aka lawfare holdover). Waiting in the wings. Watch.

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  47. Magabear says:

    Did that fired Newsweek “journalist” apply at WaPo yet? She’s perfect for a fake news rag like WaPo.

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  48. Magabear says:

    Oh cripes, Hannity is repeating as truth what WaPo wrote. Sean is like a mouse going right into the mousetrap.

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    • hawkins6 says:

      Magabear:
      I don’t think your succinct and similar post was visible when I began writing my verbose post below. I noticed Hannity finally said “If true..”–about the article 20-30 minutes appx into the show.

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    • Tl Howard says:

      Damn, he’s as dull as a cheap five year old 40 watt light bulb, isn’t he?

      I’m watching the re-run of his show right now….and while she’s a hard worker, I’m sure, Sara Carter is right there with Sean as a successful overachieving striver, but one who gets tricked too easily.

      Graham just told Sean, “Remember the source of this story, SEan, the WAshington Post.”

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    • donna kovacevic says:

      Sean along with Laura are getting more and more annoying by the day, talking way to much and cutting their guests off. I can only take 15 minutes of them. Laura with her idiotic laugh and “yeah, yeah, as is to say move along I already know that. Bimbo.

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      • hawkins6 says:

        I’m not sure what’s going on Donna with these shows. Have we just become more aware of their lack of substance and verity or are the hosts and their writers also getting bored and mentally worn out with the months of Dem Impeachment insanity and absurd repetition after over 2 years of the Weissmann/Mueller hoax.

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      • sticknca says:

        Tivo and it’s wonderful 30 second jump button are mandatory for me to consider either of those shows. The ratio of host/guest time is outrageous enough before you add in Mike Pillow’s time.

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  49. hawkins6 says:

    Admirably, Hannity is a positive force for Conservatism and P Trump so I don’t relish criticizing him, but the WaPo article mentioned in SD’s article was Hannity’s major “Breaking News” story Monday. Even when he wasn’t talking about it, the Chyron often displayed “Breaking News: Barr Disagrees With Some of IG’s Conclusions.” Oh my!” Did I finally wake up from my dopey FNC slumbers or am I missing something. I couldn’t take anything serious after that silly beginning. Why are unconfirmed narratives from the MSM rags now major sources for Hannity and Hilton commentaries and breaking news?

    On Sunday, Steve Hilton disparaged and viciously accused 4 of Hannity’s most frequent, long time and important guests Joe DeGenova, his wife Victoria Toensing, John Solomon and Guilliani as either making up “wild stories” or (unethically or illegally?) enriching themselves in the Ukraine while investigating for P Trump. What are we supposed to believe now after watching all of the above guests on Hannity for years?

    Guilliani and Victoria (she included hubby Joe in her tweet) strongly denied Hilton’s accusations on Twitter but I couldn’t find a John Solomon rebuttal. Not one word of it on Hannity after topping the ratings for years with them as guests.

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    • zekfidle says:

      if u r placing any significance to fact finding at fox, just stop now.

      fox is a propaganda outlet equal and in some cases more raunchy pathetic than any other.

      its questionable and demonstrably true in many cases it serves poorly the presidents messages and direction….trump prefers it because quite frankly, no other fraudulent media group will represent him in any favorable way…

      he has no other choice….that is the reality.

      that is not to imply all things are broken down at fox..but you have to be careful assuming you can depend on the content to be accurate. some of this can be explained by the format limitations of watching cable news…most of it can be explained these are just not investigative journalists..

      when they have solid guests I pay attention..but I always do inspections from reliable sources.

      here at CTH you get a much better analysis…and the comment group here are really engaged and turn up loads of very detail and reliable facts.

      as always, remember the stakeholders behind the scenes at these massive media groups have a great priority to drive profits with the ad space..so that illicits the constant desire to create alot of sensationalism and over the top reporting. that really impacts the effectiveness of the talking heads they select to read it out.

      Doesn’t leave much space or time to dig deep.

      that was not always the case..but this is the current face of “modern” cable news media..

      short sound bits and alot of repetition..for an effect that often isn’t based on solid facts….applied more often to keep the audience glues to the next crisis.

      I watch it primarily to notice dana perino…

      we go waaaaay back.

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      • hawkins6 says:

        “when they have solid guests I pay attention..but I always do inspections from reliable sources.”
        —Same here zekfidle. I don’t watch any of the FNC shows for entertainment because they are often irritating. I seek accurate info and FNC did help somewhat during the Russia Hoax.

        “here at CTH you get a much better analysis…and the comment group here are really engaged and turn up loads of very detail and reliable facts.”

        —Absolutely true!. sundance’s analyses and many some posters were the best sources of accurate info and some admitted speculation based on known facts and insight. But SD can’t cover every story that is worth learning about so FNC is one alternate option only. But fact checking is always wise and during shows like Hannity–a finger on the DVR’s remote Fast Forward button is a must. I never watch any of the shows live.

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  50. Terra Rayner says:

    I don’t doubt for a second this report won’t cover absolutely everything…but when it shows they used this warrant to target the Trump orbit AFTER Carter Page already left the campaign, and only a few short months after CP finished his assignment as asset for the FBI and DOJ, if there is a claim of a legal predicate to go after him, they are either covering yet again…or CP has some explaining to do! Carter Page trying to block the release so he can “clear his name” seems so fricken suspicious to me.. although it could just be because he is eccentric and kinda seems off anyway! Wondering though if they have uncovered anything about the FISA they attempted to renew on Manafort BEFORE he joined the campaign in 2015 and how Chalupa knew he would be joining the campaign in January 2016 (i still think he was a plant), and the one that CNN reported that was denied in June 2016…would there be a record of the applications still for denied warrants @sundance?

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    • richard verney says:

      I find Carter Page’s present position a bit surprising, since there is no reason why he should be given the IG report, because he is not being accused of any wrong doing, so he does not need to make out his side of the case (prior to publication). Thus, the fact that he has not been given the IG Report, for review, ought to be an encouraging sign for him. His name was effectively cleared, when the Mueller probe wound up, without laying any charge against him.

      In fact, we know that Mueller would have been desperate to charge Carter Page, with any possible crime, since any charge against Carter Page would be spun by the MSM and the FBI/deep state as justifying the spying on him. Just like Mueller was desperate to find Russian interference, he would have been similarly desperate to find some wrong doing, by Carter Page.

      Carter Page should be able to get compensation if either (i) the FISA Warrant was improperly obtained; or (ii) if the renewals, or any one of them, were improperly obtained. As regards (i), he succeeds if there was a ‘technical’ failing in obtaining the 1st FISA warrant, as may be found by the IG report, or if, there was insufficient predicate, as may be found by Durham. Thus Carter Page has 2 bites of the cherry with respect to the first FISA Warrant, and has in effect 3 bites of the cherry, wiith respect to the renewals. Carter Page can, at this stage, sit back an relax. This is what he should do, and he should not delay the publication of the IG Report, which ought to have been published before the end of the Schiff dog and pony show.

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      • seth rich says:

        OK which planet have you been living on. I don’t like CP and I think he’s weird at best however, the Intelligence Services targeted him and others in the coup attempt agains Trump resulting in the ruination of his life and that of his family’s just because. CP will get no compensation as we already know from the leaks that the FISA Warrant was properly obtained according to the ridiculously low bar required for FISA warrants (“even throwing out the altered email, they had enough” – Horowitz). Ditto for the renewals.
        There is no cherry to take a bite of. No one will hire CP and his family name is mud. The deep state is in control.

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        • richard verney says:

          I don’t pay much attention to what is said in the MSM and their biased spin. We will know more on 9th December, when the Report is out.

          What is important, as far as Carter Page is concerned, is what facts are set out in the Report, not the conclusion drawn by the IG, since the IG is not judge and jury, as far as Carter Page is concened. Any action that he might bring, will be before a different Court, which Court will not be bound by the opinions of the IG, only the findings of fact will be influential.

          Whilst, like many, I have been somewhat disappointed in the previous IG Reports, do not overlook the fact that the IG referred both McCabe and Comey for criminal referrals, and it was the DOJ, not the IG, that decided not to take the matters further, with respect to McCabe and Comey.

          There is no point in speculating what is, or may be, set out in the IG Report, especially when the Report will be published in less than a week. Let us see what it says, so that clear heads and well informed minds, can properly evaluate it.

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