WaPo Leads Conflation Effort Claiming Divergence Between Barr and Horowitz on Origin of Trump Investigation….

A Washington Post spin article attempts to defend the DOJ/FBI “small group” 2016 campaign effort by claiming vindication from IG Horowitz and U.S. AG Barr not accepting the finding.   But not so fast…

Before getting to the WaPo narrative construction a little background review is worthwhile; starting with the original investigative purpose of the IG review.  The Horowitz review was initiated to look into how the DOJ and FBI secured a Title-1 FISA surveillance warrant against U.S. person Carter Page:

IG Horowitz was never investigating the predicate claims that initiated the CIA/FBI operation known as “Crossfire Hurricane”.  So how exactly would AG Barr and IG Horowitz be diverging on an aspect to a predicate that Horowitz was never reviewing?

Additionally, IG Horowitz was never tasked or empowered to interview CIA officers who are known to have been at the heart of the pre-July 2016 operation.  Horowitz was/is focused on the DOJ and FBI compliance with legal requirements for the FISA application that was assembled for use in October 2016, and renewed throughout 2017.

So what we are seeing in the Washington Post framework is the intentional use of a narrow IG review to obfuscate, provide cover, and conflate a larger investigation undertaken by U.S. Attorney Durham. The media attempt to conflate two narratives is not accidental.


Going back to the apropos statement by David Mamet: ‘in order to succeed in their endeavors leftists have to pretend not to know things’; never is this more clear than when you consider the status of U.S. Attorney John Durham.

Obviously the investigation by Durham is the key investigation of the political activity of the intelligence community during the 2016 election; but have you ever seen a single media journalist attempting to interview Durham about the progress?  Think about it.

You know what it looks like, you’ve seen it a thousand times on television.

…The U.S. attorney is walking into the office from his car and a half dozen cameras and reporters are rushing alongside and asking questions.   Have you seen that customary media effort even once since U.S. Attorney Durham was announced as investigating the origins of the Trump campaign surveillance?   No, why not?

Have you witnessed a single reporter even attempting to ask cursory questions to U.S. Attorney Durham?  The reason for the void is within what Mamet described… the need to pretend not to know things.  Combine that ideological need with intentional leaking to Washington Post reporters like Devlin Barrett and you discover the strategy, reason and purpose for a conflation of investigative findings.

This crew of corrupt and political FBI, DOJ and IC officials, hang out socially with same network of media journalists, friends and spouses who cover them.  These are like-minded travelers who together with political operatives all collate in the same tribal circles.

Think of what would happen on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS or a Sunday talk show if a person were to ask the pundit: Hey, Chuck Todd how come you never see an NBC news crew and satellite truck trying to get a comment from John Durham?…

Within the WaPo article they note: “Barr or a senior Justice Department official could submit a formal letter as part of that process, which would then be included in the final report.”  Why is that sentence placed within the WaPo chaff and countermeasures?

The answer is simple.  The described AG letter is transparently going to be included, because Barr has to explain -with an ongoing investigation- that Horowitz did not have access to CIA, DIA, ODNI and ancillary contributory information that builds out on the FISA aspect to his IG 2016 election review.  The Horowitz report is a fact-finding investigation for one important part, but it is only one part.

Understanding that Durham is looking at the July 31st, Crossfire Hurricane predicate; and the intelligence activity that preceded that predicate; it makes sense for AG Bill Barr to qualify the parameters of the Inspector General FISA report.

Additionally, understanding that Durham is looking at the preceding 2015 and 2016 predicate, it makes sense within the collective network of interests we would see this type of political priority resurface:

U.S. Attorney John Durham’s investigation into the origin of the James Clapper and John Brennan initiated Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) is a risk to all of the interests who assembled the 2016 vast Russian collusion-conspiracy.   Again, Horowitz was not tasked to go anywhere near this.  Horowitz is looking at whether the DOJ and FBI complied with internal DOJ/FBI rules and processes during their FISA application and use within the FISA court.

The Washington Post wants to sell a narrative that AG Bill Barr is not accepting the inspector general finding on the origin of the Russia investigation; but the inspector general did not investigate the origin of the Russia investigation. The purpose of the WaPo report is to intentionally conflate the two issues.

(Via Washington Post) Attorney General William P. Barr has told associates he disagrees with the Justice Department’s inspector general on one of the key findings in an upcoming report — that the FBI had enough information in July 2016 to justify launching an investigation into members of the Trump campaign, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael Horowitz, is due to release his long-awaited findings in a week, but behind the scenes at the Justice Department, disagreement has surfaced about one of Horowitz’s central conclusions on the origins of the Russia investigation. The discord could be the prelude to a major fissure within federal law enforcement on the controversial question of investigating a presidential campaign.

Barr has not been swayed by Horowitz’s rationale for concluding the FBI had sufficient basis to open an investigation on July 31, 2016, these people said.

It’s not yet clear how Barr plans to make his objection to Horowitz’s conclusion known. The inspector general report, currently in draft form, is being finalized after input from various witnesses and offices that were scrutinized by the inspector general. Barr or a senior Justice Department official could submit a formal letter as part of that process, which would then be included in the final report. It is standard practice for every inspector general report to include a written response from the department. Barr could forgo a written rebuttal on that specific point and just publicly state his concerns. (more)

See the wordplay?  There are no “concerns“, there are distinctions.

I’ll be the first person who will call out the IG for whitewashing the findings of his investigation depending on the evidence he outlines or hides.  Horowitz did that with the 2018 report on DOJ/FBI activity in the Clinton email investigation.  However, that said, I’m also the first person to say ignore the media, and let’s wait and see the actual report.

…”How incredibly tragic is it, with all the documents and communications that AG Bill Barr & U.S. Attorney Durham can see today, that they are not acted upon BEFORE the House can brand President Trump with the words “Impeached President” for the rest of eternity.”…


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345 Responses to WaPo Leads Conflation Effort Claiming Divergence Between Barr and Horowitz on Origin of Trump Investigation….

  1. swamph8er says:

    You don’t need to finish a report before you arrest someone.

    Horowitz has always been focused on protecting the DOJ and FBI. The coup participants who were caught are quietly removed or demoted. Not once has he looked into the corrupt and biased acts committed prior to their exposure and removal.

    Don’t expect anything different.

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    • Rustynail says:

      Horowitz has no authority to arrest anyone; he can only refer. Durham can!

      Liked by 2 people

    • jake49028 says:

      Who will ever trust DOJ/FBI again about anything they do or say if lots of miscreants don’t go to jail?


      • bobdog says:

        Question is, where did this story come from? The Washington Post.

        According to the Sundance Rule, which is usually correct, the story came from the FBI.

        Neither one can be trusted to do anything but polish their own knobs. It didn’t used to be this way, but there it is. Credibility, zero.

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      • aarmad says:

        Who ever trusted the doj/fbi???? Some of us older persons are particularly aware of them, and it didn’t just start yesterday! It has went on for DECADES! It is institutional! It is the swamp! It is both parties! The only ones who go to jail are Trump loyalists. In the past it was anyone who wasn’t a part of the club and who raised questions. Same situation, just different players. In other words, the double standard of justice is alive and well. Trump is the threat and look what has/is happening!


    • hokkoda says:

      Preferably with amphibious vehicles and SWAT teams and Fox News just happens to have a news truck parked out front.

      It is the IG’s job to protect the institution. That’s literally his job. He is supposed to look for things that aren’t working properly and suggest remedies to resolve those things. His job is all one big “lessons learned” report that looks at policies and procedures. It’s all about protecting the institution. That doesn’t mean removing, demoting, and referring for criminal prosecution are meaningless. It’s a very good idea to stop the bleeding first.

      Will he paper over a lot of bad behavior with process mumbojumbo? Bet on it! They are predisposed to assume that everybody is a good guy at DOJ/FBI because if they were like the Internal Affairs division of the local police department, nobody would talk to them. The details of the report will likely drive even more people out of the FBI involuntarily. And it’s Durham’s job to connect the dots.

      It makes a lot of sense for Barr to sequence these reports to let the IG go first because his is the more limited in scope and authority, and then move on to Durham which is broader in scope and possesses scary levels of authority.

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      • J.Thomas says:


        The biggest tell here is “impeachment”.

        The Dems have rushed to impeachment because it gives them the only real tool in their power to both distract from this to mitigate the inevitable damage this will do during the upcoming election season and to try to protect some of the players involved. The Russia Collusion nonsense emanated from Ukraine…from this same network of people trotted out in the “impeachment” clown parade.

        I don’t see them following through with sending this to the senate because the republicans will have a public forum by which to expose this conspiracy further, during election season. They will also have players present (Warner, Feinstein, etc) who were part of the scam. If they send it to the senate, they are desperate beyond what I thought they would be and they’re trying to move to a public forum to be able to present their case to the voter against what is to be a Durham-led bloodletting in the courts, even though they will be at a disadvantage.

        It’s all about “muh narrative!”

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        • hokkoda says:

          I don’t think the Democrats can retreat at this point. It would awesome if they did, just so we can gloat about it. But I think they are too far gone at this point. If they pull it back, they’re telling their base to pound sand, and it will just exacerbate the problems they have in 2020. I don’t know how Pelosi backs off from calling Trump a direct threat to the Republic or how Democrats back off from saying that Trump has actively solicited foreign interference in the 2020 elections (treason) and suddenly decide on censure or a sternly worded letter. They already look like idiots. Backing down now would make them look even worse.

          I’m still in the camp that says Nadler’s hearings tomorrow are to justify a rubber-stamp of the HPSCI report and go straight to the articles of impeachment without additional hearings. Additional hearings are just going to make them look even worse. They can’t go back to the full House to launch an “official” investigation because vulnerable Democrats cannot keep making risky votes. So, they’ll rush through Articles of Impeachment and send it to the full House for a quick, totally partisan, vote with several Democrat defectors and no GOP defections.

          Plan B is they kick this out to January or February and hope they win a few SCOTUS cases and try to slow-bleed Trump in an election year. But at that point, all they’re really doing is keeping the GOP fired up and giving Trump fun stuff to riff on at his rallies.

          No, I think they’re going to go for the gusto here. It’s totally crazy. But they’re Democrats reliving the Obamacare nightmare.

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        • aarmad says:

          It is too far gone and the dems have NO out. This was planned and planned early on after Trump was elected. This impeachment will get to the Senate! The only issue is when! Everyone is saying it will be different in the Senate. Don’t be too sure about that, it frightens me!

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    • Rosebud says:

      “Not once has he looked into the corrupt and biased acts committed prior to their exposure and removal.”

      That was not his job or assignment.


  2. Peter Noone says:

    “Ignore the media” — words of wisdom. Even after all these years, and all the people redpilled today compared to even 5 years ago, that we still wind up with left-wing MSM misinformation infiltrating our discussions. It’s hard to stay on top of.

    All it takes is some idiot FOX commentator repeating a neocon lie here or there, or even a WaPo article (like any WaPo articles are NOT carefully designed to obfuscate and inveigle) and people on our side (who should know better) are off to the special olympics.

    There’s a lot of good reason to be skeptical. We are betrayed by RINOs and self-serving “frenemies” in our own ranks often enough. We all need to learn to recognize the media-bureaucratic complex and its misinformation much better than we do.

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    • Jan says:

      Applaud your insight. I’m having similar thoughts, especially about FOX News reaction tonight with the news. It made me wish for the return of Catherine Herridge who was mostly objective and almost always reliable, which made her the most truthful on FOX News. She always dug for the facts, didn’t seem to have a producer who could tell her what to say over what she knew the facts to be. Sigh…..

      Liked by 7 people

    • Will Hunt says:

      The tide of public opinion seems today to be almost decisive and the leftists in big tech and MSM are behind the wheel – at least they have been up to this point.


    • hokkoda says:

      otoh, we should expect the report next week to be greeted with howls of derision and laughter and “that’s it?!” from the media, the NeverTrumpers, and all of the coup plotters. It’s going to be a tough week, I think, getting people to take their eyes off the newspapers and focus on the details within the report.

      It’s not like we haven’t seen the IG paper over clear biases before…

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  3. Sherri Young says:


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    • mathew listerud says:

      Dear Ms. Lokhova,
      How is your defamation case against Stefan Halper going? Could you say a few words about that given the ‘sensitivity’ of the matter without compromising your judicial options?
      Thank you in advance (спасибо заранее)

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  4. donna kovacevic says:

    I wrote a comment a few minutes ago about Hannity and Laura, but forgot to insert my huge respect and admiration for Sundance, for that I apologize. God Bless Sundance.

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  5. Hilton is a loose Cannon.
    Tonight was a huge breakthrough.
    Sydney may have already broken through.
    Long road to go, but I feel better. Chad Pergham on Fox stated that House may not want to impeach during holidays.
    It is going to be a battle. If House gets impeachment delayed until next year, things could change drasticly.

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  6. Maybe we can get a Connecticut Grand Jury or Ricco Grand Jury.

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  7. Jerry Hodge says:

    While you make a good point, Sundance, there weren’t many reporters hounding Mueller during his investigation, either.

    Liked by 3 people

    • ILOT says:

      The reason for this is simple. The media hounds knew what Strzok knew; “there is no “there” there”… Why would they hound Meuller knowing this even with his $35,000,000 war chest, 20 left wing staff attorneys and, 1,500 subpoenas etc etc….

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  8. swimeasy says:

    Sundance,Thank you! Your analysis crystalized for me the comments about Bar on Lou Dobbs, etc. We are getting closer.

    “…The Horowitz report is a fact-finding investigation for one important part, but it is only one part.”

    We need to be patient and realize that this IG report is another key piece of the puzzle to add to the Durham investigation. Barr is keeping his eye on that goal.

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    • Horowitz is capable of mustering a team of hundreds or thousands of people at once in a singular investigative goal. He does not have to pursue people. (He must report those people as he stumbles upon them.) His stated purpose is procedural – “How did this happen?” “Where did we go wrong?” “Where are the holes and deficiencies?” And so he produces a massive report which prosecutors can simply take and use as they may.

      Every such criminal operation takes place in an environment of law, policy, process, and procedure which enables such criminality to take place – when it ought not. It’s vital to have an investigation unit that isn’t chasing people, but is instead studying and reporting on the environment in which those criminals have been running around, determining how it was possible for them to do it without necessarily naming names.

      That’s what made it so easy to debunk the WaPo story: “that’s not what Mr. Horowitz was tasked to do.” And we know damned well that he knows exactly what the enabling legislation which created his Office does and does not say, and he will toe that line and do a tremendous job.

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      • Tl Howard says:

        You mean, Horowitz can’t simply state, “The leadership of the FBI was/is full of a bunch of career-promoting assholes turned conspirators who thought they could protect themselves by preventing Trump from gaining office or by removing him from office should he actually be elected”?

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        • Mr e-man says:

          No, they were just doing their jobs the best way they knew how. There was some suspicious activity that they acted on. However, they failed to properly follow procedure and rules for such activities and were properly disciplined.

          Oh and by the way, they had a legal predicate to do what they did. So nothing to see here. FBI = all good.


  9. Rynn69 says:

    This explains clearly why the media are the Enemy of the People. They are ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS in the coup and other crimes against the Republic.

    Peddling false narratives on this scale is not small peanuts.

    Liked by 9 people

  10. SD sure is sharp to focus on the limited scope of IG report, then highlight WaPo’s conflation of FISA with the predicate for launching Crossfire 3 months earlier. One of the best in the business.

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  11. Les Standard says:

    So we are supposed to trust and believe Barr now? He seems willing to talk the talk, yet has not once walked the fvcking walk….

    Liked by 2 people

    • ILOT says:

      You were always supposed to “believe Barr now”. For goodness sakes he was approved in 1991 with 100% senate support and approved with a mere 54 along party lines in 2019.
      The left fears him. I am likely one of very FEW on this thread that referenced his words at the outset and I LOVED the fact he said he was looking at “policy and predicate” and shied away from the hyper-sensitive “treason” everyone was so worked up about. All this told me all I needed and I have never doubted the man, his words and his heavy burden of saving the Republic through meaningful action. We need to see more, but I am still very optimistic.

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      • Bill Barr is the second man in American history to return to the post of Attorney General. (The first was interrupted by the Civil War …) He used to be chief corporate counsel for American Express. So, “he’s not doing this for the money,” and neither is John Durham and the rest. These are law enforcement bulldogs who love the law and their venerable institutions – and who know damned well how those institutions were twisted to become criminal by those who controlled them and worked for them.

        They aren’t revealing their cards. In fact, the Law stipulates that they must not. “No leaks, no clues, no warning.” We’re not going to know what’s going to happen “on Sunday morning” until … “Sunday morning.” The night before, we won’t have a clue. When the shoe drops, it will be – as it is intended to be – “a bolt out of the blue.” (After, Epstein had plenty of spies, and yet he had no idea that two warrants had been sworn out against him by secret Grand Juries. He hadn’t a clue …)

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    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      So we are supposed to trust and believe Barr now?

      Reread Sundance’s article. It has nothing to do with trusting (or not trusting) Barr.


      • WhiteBoard says:

        just a unique perspective i think might help see this site’s intent as not hostile. The main point of these articles appear to remind us the “What if ” principle. as in can we always rely on some institutional piece to save us? If Barr cant perform how can we adress this injustice? thats kind of the question. and I think its a very uncomfortable one, because it points out that the answers to that are very uncomfortable.

        Barr may be on this, but its not this site’s responsibility to encourage faith solely in my opinion. This site appears to want to seek a definite means to protect We the People and remind it that it is something that matters also in the constitution.

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        • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

          My comment was merely a request to stay on topic, Sundance has, in other articles, questioned Barr’s intent. But in this article the focus is on the oddity of WaPo conflating the counterintelligence investigation with the FISA abuse review. To our knowledge, Horowitz isn’t investigating the counterintelligence investigation. So the question is: what is WaPo doing? It has nothing to do with whether or not Barr can be trusted or whether or not Barr can perform.


  12. Merkin Muffley says:

    Why ANYONE would put ANY credibility into something with the words “New York Times” or “Washington Post” on it is beyond me.

    Liked by 3 people

  13. John-Y128 says:

    ‘Insignificant details that our headlines took care of for the electorate.’ Love WAPO (Amazon)


  14. sDee says:

    “”DOJ and FBI secured a Title-1 FISA surveillance warrant against U.S. person Carter Page””

    Can someone help me understand, from a legal and a Bill of Rights perspective, what is the difference between a US person and a US citizen?

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    • ILOT says:

      For this definition, person = national:

      “All US citizens are both a US citizen and a US national, but some US nationals may not be US citizens. US citizen vs US national, in general terms: All US citizens are automatically US nationals. US nationals are not automatically US citizens. US Nationals. Non-citizen US nationals include those persons who were born in or born to a parent(s) of “outlying possessions of the United States,” according to the Immigration and Nationality Act”.

      You asked…LOL!

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      • sDee says:

        Thanks. So from that I can understand the difference between the terms US national and a US citizen. But still, what in the legal/constitutional context of all these matters, is a “US person”.


        • zekfidle says:

          from a constiutional perspective interpretation…you will have to wade through the federalist papers and literally become a near expert in linguistics of the time..

          and you will have to do this separately for each and every instance where the two terms are applied..

          it appears in both forms, but the meaning is contextual to the founders who used them…so you really have to investigate the background of the founder to get an idea of what he meant.

          that’s the best I can offer.

          I’ve tried..and it was not successful.



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    • dollops says:

      I believe this distinction to have its roots in the aftermath of the revolution; there was not universal agreement among the settlers on independence from Britain, and there was the question of how native Indians and slaves were to be included. It would appear that all residents would then be called “nationals” and the question of citizenship was left to the sovereign states – former colonies – to sort out as each would do. We know what happened to the sovereignty of the states, but the distinction between a rather flexible “citizen” and a simple “national” remains.

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  15. StanH says:

    When you are building a case against an entrenched well funded adversary, you get your ducks in a row. This is perhaps the largest political scandal/crime in the history of the Republic. It includes all organs of the swamp Executive, Legislative, Judicial, MSM, Lobbying, Bureaucracy, RNC, DNC, et al in a failed attempt to usurp the will of the people. They have attempted to destroy the peaceful transfer of power.

    Openly ridiculing the Constitution and The Bill of Rights using Rules for Radicals. Attacking the Constitution as an ancient piece of parchment written by white slave owners. The very document that has allowed these idiots to be idiots, and a country to have the ability of self correction. Oh, and as a measure of their treachery the very thing they’ve sworn to protect:

    “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

    My guess, Bill Barr understands the magnitude of his duty and his oath and will act accordingly. If he doesn’t, it will throw trust in government in the trash. This is how great country’s fall, especially a Constitutional Republic based on the rule of law. He also knows that thinking, productive, God fearing, law abiding, flag waving, country loving, free America is watching.

    “These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.” T. Paine

    KAG! …by doing the right thing AG Bill Barr.

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  16. MLK says:

    The following is worth a read as background/food for thought on the challenge to status quo interests Trump’s election constituted:


    I won’t belabor it. Suffice it to say that, after a quarter-century of increasingly figurehead/pitchman (for the national security state) presidents, a real POTUS Trump was viewed as a crisis.

    What I would emphasize that the author doesn’t sufficiently in my opinion is that in the end only constitutional authority possesses legitimacy.

    It’s impossible to overstate the damage done to our institutions by the likes of Brennan. Think about what it says to the rest of the world that this great republic allowed that Beria-like filth to reach the top of the CIA?

    Horowitz/Barr/Durham have the unenviable task of trying to square this (clusterf**k) circle. On the one hand, counter-intelligence cannot be constrained from investigation; on the other, what they wrought can never happen again, lest we end up resolving our political and partisan differences through violence.

    When Barr was appointed, and we thus entered this latest chapter, the question I began asking myself is when will we get to the point that Democrats will accept indictments. I think we’ve been there for some time when it comes to Brennan. In no small part because of his psychopathic need to appear publicly as a coup-leader/supporter. Ask yourself this, if Barr indicts Brennan, how many Democrats will defend him?

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    • ballgame17 says:

      There are too many big players to fall and they are in every department DOJ/FBI, State, CIA/NSA and Congress . When the toxic vapors of indictment is sensed the canaries will sing before they plummet off their perches. A well-planned and plotted scheme has few potential traitors to the cause. Here we have a large gaggle of conspirators who thought they would face no consequences , as is DC usual, under a Clinton WH ,and, (mixing metaphors) the hens now realize the Barr/ Durham fox is in their hen house. I hope the fox is hungry and brings some friends to dine.

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      • TPW says:

        These 2 investigations ….if honest….will lay to rest that the Dems want to impeach PT because he does not deserve the office. Because he is a criminal. I am tired of all the pundits acting as if the Dems reason for their insanity was just that simple…..they lost the election….Dont like Orange Man. These 2 investigation ought to lay bare THEIR criminality and their need to cover it up by getting rid of PT and making him the focus of their ridiculous accusations. That is the “MINIMAL” that Barr and Durham should do.

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  17. billybob says:

    I think it’s wise to remember how far we’ve come in a few short years .
    Obama and his marxist brethren had the world at their fingertips and all was on the verge of being lost with the coming of the beast called Clinton and her inevitable victory in 2016 . The fact that we are even having these discussions on what the length , breadth and depth of government corruption that will be exposed is in itself a huge victory .
    Make no mistake , between Horowitz-Barr- Durham we don’t have the beginning of the end of this revealed sedition that is systemic throughout government, we are at the end of the beginning of the battle for truth and accountability in the public arena and we understand the bodyguard of lies that the enemies of truth and virtue employ to deceive, cheat and steal .

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    • Tl Howard says:

      I wonder, how many CIA’s there are. That is, how many factions w/in the agency, factions with actual ability to fashion “policy,” or modify it, abort it? How many people on average comprise those who seek to do such things? Who w/in the agency might have been (or is) the enemy of the likes of Brennan? My God, we know so little about the very agency that is such a “mover” of the most powerful nation on earth.

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      • Zippy says:

        “I wonder, how many CIA’s there are. That is, how many factions w/in the agency, factions with actual ability to fashion “policy,” or modify it, abort it?”

        Jason Bourne knows…


      • J.Thomas says:

        The CIA, State Department, and private interests all work toward mutual goals. When those things become corrupted, things like the “Clinton Foundation” spring from the muck to scrape as much of a harvest as possible for the politicians. The politicians believe that their power is worth more than the contributions of anyone else in those transactions, but the whole thing becomes a corrupted mess where politicians co-mingle with the private interests. People like John Brennan are toadies, useful idiots who can be drunken with power. They have their reward (prestige and prestige to pass on to their descendants), but the big reward goes to people like Biden, Clinton, MCCain, Romney, and Mitch McConnell, who by the power of the US government and economy are able to easily become corrupted.

        The book “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” gives a pretty good look at how the sausage is made in these “nation building” schemes coordinated by the CIA, State Department, and private interests. The lower level players are usually somewhat kept in the dark…their interests are usually in career advancement.

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    • Doppler says:

      Right, billy bob. Thank God for Obama’s incompetence as an executive. And for his smoking habit, taking 10 minutes out of every hour away from his desk.

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    • treehouseron says:

      I wish more people saw the big picture as clearly as you do Billy Bob. So many negative nellies on our side that keep us from the strength that we require to defeat this crap. Even if people complain and believe that nothing is going to happen, the mere fact that we’re arguing it in the bright light of day is immense progress. When the handcuffs start snapping no doubt they’ll complain that 1 man didn’t go quite far enough, all from the safety and warmth of their couch.


  18. Truth seeker says:

    Sundance – “I’ll be the first person who will call out the IG for whitewashing the findings of his investigation depending on the evidence he outlines or hides. Horowitz did that with the 2018 report on DOJ/FBI activity in the Clinton email investigation.”

    I have to somewhat disagree. If you actually dig into the report itself, there were a lot of explosive findings. The summary was for sure a whitewash, but the report itself wasn’t. Problem is, everyone points to the summary and doesn’t bother to get into the report.

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    • dr. D says:

      The problem is, just like with the IPCC “climate change” reports, the executive summaries don’t accurately reflect much of the content. Leftist bureaucrats write the summaries, knowing no one reads the full reports.

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  19. glissmeister says:

    SD>> “IG Horowitz was never investigating the predicate claims that initiated the CIA/FBI operation known as “Crossfire Hurricane”. So how exactly would AG Barr and IG Horowitz be diverging on an aspect to a predicate that Horowitz was never reviewing?”

    Sundance has distilled a bombshell observation.

    Is WAPO monetizing fraud? At what point does the for-profit media begin colluding with an insurrection; a conspiracy to commit sedition?

    They report what they report FOR MONEY; fundamentally, they monetize information for profit.

    Sometimes speech is commerce. In most instances, commerce that takes willful action to commercialize and monetize fraud and falsehood for revenue, for profit, for personal gain — in many if not most instances — engages in unlawful behavior by doing so.

    Fraud is not a protected First Amendment right.

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  20. Rick says:

    …”How incredibly tragic is it, with all the documents and communications that AG Bill Barr & U.S. Attorney Durham can see today, that they are not acted upon BEFORE the House can brand President Trump with the words “Impeached President” for the rest of eternity.”…

    I’ll take that brand if it’s the difference between regaining the House and improving the Senate under Trump’s second term. And the potential destruction to the vast democrat party and their networks in our bureaucracies would be delicious.

    … He who rolls a stone, it shall return upon him…

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  21. Caius Lowell says:

    Trump the Establishment
    Let’s be clear on one thing, the corporate media in our country is no longer involved in journalism. They’re a political special interest no different than any lobbyist or other financial entity with a total political agenda, and the agenda is not for you, it’s for themselves. Anyone who challenges their control is deemed a sexist, a racist, a xenophobe. They will lie, lie, lie, and then again they will do worse than that. They will do whatever is necessary (with trillions at stake). The 0bama and Clinton Democrats as well as their complicit Enemedia are criminals, remember that.

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  22. Donnie Darko says:

    I’ve gotta stop and thank you, really thank you, for this one. There is, at times, a sophisticated nuance to the Deep State’s tactics. Your careful, detailed reporting exposes the Left’s treachery with a scaple’s precision. This post is an asset in our fight for freedom. Thank you.

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  23. Ellis says:

    I have definitely noticed a resurgence of the “Russia propaganda” narrative in the last week.

    Seemed odd to me that the left and the activist press would go back to that debunked meme but it makes more sense in this context.

    I sense desperation in DC!

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    • J.Thomas says:

      The dog has returned to its vomit.

      What is interesting about all of this is that they are being forced to go on the defense. That they even feel the need to go back to the Russia Collusion nonsense tells us an awful lot about just how they fear the reveal of what is behind the curtain.

      They DO NOT know what Durham is yet producing. They can only try to get ahead of the FISA report and spin it. If Durham strikes, it will be like a thief in the night. If Durham strikes, it will have to be a precision strike with wide implications, and it will have to be a perfect shot. There is no room for error. The Weissman/Mueller operation had a wide berth for as much error as needed because it was not about justice…it was about “Resistance”.

      Durham HAS to be about justice, and it has to be done with integrity, At the same time, the injustices done here are VERY real and very grave. They have to be well-defined and well-outlined with facts. Horowitz has outlined many, many facts including those with criminal references for McCabe and Comey. Strzok and Page have been defined in review by the FBI as having violated policies and procedures by acting in their own interests. There absolutely is a documented trail of facts emerging from the bureaucracy itself for Durham to use to develop the full criminal conspiracy. The difficult part will be extrapolating the conspiracy outward from Strzok and Page to encompass the entirety of the scheme with all of the players involved. The CIA interactions with the FBI will be critical (this is what Durham is working on), as will the interactions between the State Department, the DOD, CIA, and FBI. Remember, this develops between State and CIA and flows outward

      I have been impressed by Horowitz’ integrity. He has not shown an impetus for justice (justice is not the IG’s primary concern…they develop internal reports), but he does have integrity in his products. The relevant information is there. His ability to spin a report is minimal because the report has to include pertinent info that accounts for all issues raised and answers those questions completely. They have done that so far.

      We should not look to NYT, WaPo, or CNN for an evaluation of these reports and the facts therein. We should look to honest legal analysts and more importantly, read the words for ourselves and seek trusted sources to truly answer the questions we have. There will be new questions. There will be findings that are very bad for the coup players. We must take the report and use it. Continue to put pressure on our representatives to ensure that something like this never happens again. Take up civil cases. File FEC complaints. Develop new strategy. Do not accept “no” for an answer…the consequences are too great.

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    • hokkoda says:

      Yeah, it’s hard not to laugh when they try to claim that all of these latest conspiracy theories are emanating from Russia/Putin. It’s like when they scream “Racist!” It means they’re just trying to shut you down so they don’t have to argue facts.

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  24. Rgt says:

    BEFORE the House can brand President Trump with the words “Impeached President” for the rest of eternity.”…

    I’d wear an impeachment brand by THIS corrupt Dem controlled House as a badge of honor.

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    • treehouseron says:

      That’s how he feels too, he loves this stuff. If they are stupid enough to do it, we are about to see the destruction of the democrat party when the Sh** show known as a Senate Trial comes rolling around and we get to see Ted Cruz prosecute Hunter Biden for 10 hours on live television.


  25. Zippy says:

    Every time I listen to one of these, my estimated figure of the number of people in the world who have or even can follow this to an adequate depth and the likelihood that official investigators are actually connecting these NECESSARY dots drops even further.


    • Zippy says:

      Bongino’s prediction: everyone involved will claim they were duped; the CIA will blame the FBI and vice versa. My prediction: most of the general public is plenty ignorant enough to buy that and the tiny fraction who won’t will not provide enough public pressure to get real reform adequate to make certain it doesn’t happen again.


      • treehouseron says:

        So your prediction is you’ve given up. I hope you’re wrong, just think, if all your hopes and dreams come true we’re screwed.

        Personally, I see it as the beginning of a great awakening, I see people getting red pilled every day, I see the entire world heading in the right direction, and Trump one large, strong gear in a gearbox that’s pushing us all towards Zion.

        I’m sure you’ll respond with how I’m too positive, I should be more negative, I should see things as dark, gloomy, and my general over abundance of hope is nauseating, and that’s why I don’t post on this site often anymore. I’m too busy enjoying life and helping the world be a better place.


        • J.Thomas says:

          Ron, there are a lot of people out there who are waiting for superman…waiting for someone to come and save them from other people. That certainly has to be a miserable disposition. Nobody wants to be the damsel in distress.

          We’d have a great out-swelling of power and influence if those waiting for superman would figure out how to put on a cape and underoos (metaphorically of course) in their own domain and start moving together toward these important goals.


          • Tl Howard says:

            We have to look at ourselves. We didn’t march, didn’t fill the halls of Congress, didn’t walk outside the homes of Congress critters. No one is saying we had to be like the Kavanaugh lefty crazies, but guess what, the reason the Romneys and the Collinses and the Murkowskis don’t automatically back our POtus is because we are polite pussies.


            • CM-TX says:

              Now, now, now… each morning I run out into the street with my pitchfork (sharpened), torch (lit), & some other stuff– & then I look both ways for signs of my crew/any hordes coming my way. 😩 But so far, it’s been to no avail!


      • Being “duped” is not a legal justification for doing an illegal act such as leaking or submitting a FISA application without verifying the substantiating data……imho.

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  26. Rick says:

    I rejected Horowitz previous summaries. Here’s a thought: Bob Barr should review the report and add the summary, and leave Horowitz partisan summary out of it altogether.

    The reason why is you can’t unring a bell. Bob Barr got ahead of the release of Mueller’s report for this very same reason.

    The summary is the milk that feeds the dumb masses.

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    • Tl Howard says:

      I’d say it would be up to the Gop questioners on Lindsay’s committee to do a great job of interviewing Horowitz and a second after its release, I want a new conference from Barr.


  27. gsonFIT says:

    I posted on the Presidential thread that regardless of what the report says Horowitz is going to be raked over the coals next week. I think that he should stick to investigating his group which is the DOJ and their police force the FBI. If he ventures into the CIA and its spies then he will be overstepping his bounds and that would ultimately be questioned.

    On the other hand I do expect him to elaborate on all aspect of the 702 surveillance. This should start with Sally Yates 50 page memo benching the DOJ/FBI during the Obama admin, and include the Principal signatures on the warrants presented to the FISA Court (Yates, Comey, Rosenstein).
    This should draw in the focus on Comey.

    Interesting we haven’t heard from Reinhold Nieibuhr these past few months. I am sure that his attorney demands silence. Regardless of the bigger picture,Horowitz report will forever link James Comey as the person who presented the memo about Russian Hookers peeing for the 45th President Elect of the U.S.


  28. andy says:

    Denial timeline: March 2017 – December 2019

    No way Obama spied on the trump campaign!

    No way should he ignore credible allegations about Trump and Russia!

    No way did we have political bias investigating ties to Russia!

    No way did we use the Steel Dossier in the FISA court!

    No way was the Steel Dossier the predicate for investigating trump!

    No way did we use intelligence informants while investigating Trump!

    No way did FBI agents mislead the FISA court based on supporting documentation!

    No way did the indictment of FBI agent Kevin Clinesmith for lying on FISA applications change the predicate!

    No way! The OIG exonerated the FBI. Obama wasn’t spying!

    No way! Even if the CIA was not in the purview of the OIG report, the FBI was exonerated!

    No way! Even if Stefan Halper, Josef Mifsud, and Carter Page were intelligence informants working for US intelligence in various capacities, thats not spying!

    No way! Even if the Obama administration paid a single CIA undercover informant 10 times more money than the Russian troll factory spent on facebook, thats not spying!

    No way! Even if the CIA informant volunteered to join the trump campaign, Obama wasnt spying!

    No way! Bill bar hates America!

    No Way! You must of heard that from Andy! You’re Gullible!


  29. Zephyrbreeze says:

    All these years later…after first appreciating that playwright David Mamet, after his conversion from liberal to conservative…revealed: ‘in order to succeed in their endeavors leftists have to pretend not to know things’;…do I realize now that these shadow government criminals are “People of the Lie.”

    People of the Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil
    by M. Scott Peck


    “When I say that evil has to do with killing, I do not mean to restrict myself to corporeal murder. Evil is that which kills spirit. There are various essential attributes of life — particularly human life — such as sentience, mobility, awareness, growth, autonomy, will. It is possible to kill or attempt to kill one of these attributes without actually destroying the body. Thus we may “break” a horse or even a child without harming a hair on its head.

    Erich Fromm was acutely sensitive to this fact when he broadened the definition of necrophilia to include the desire of certain people to control others-to make them controllable, to foster their dependency, to discourage their capacity to think for themselves, to diminish their unpredectibility and originalty, to keep them in line. Distinguishing it from a “biophilic” person, one who appreciates and fosters the variety of life forms and the uniqueness of the individual, he demonstrated a “necrophilic character type,” whose aim it is to avoid the inconvenience of life by transforming others into obedient automatons, robbing them of their humanity.

    Evil then, for the moment, is the force, residing either inside or outside of human beings, that seeks to kill life or liveliness. And goodness is its opposite. Goodness is that which promotes life and liveliness.”

    ― M. Scott Peck, People of the Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil

    Also, let me add that the point of pure evil and it’s lust for power, is especially the avoidance of accountability.

    More power, more money, more possessions…the normal person asks: “To what end?”

    The ultimate end, I believe, is to avoid the moral consequences of past choices and behaviors.

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  30. Mr e-man says:

    When I read yesterday that the IG and Barr were arguing about the predicate, I wondered what that was about as the IG was not investigating the predicate. So this article clears that up nicely.

    But it also struck me yesterday that this whole issue is boiling down to that simple point. Did they have a valid predicate to what they did? It really distills down to that. They will all claim they had information that Trump may be working with Russians and they had a duty to investigate. Period.

    If the IG actually says that, it is game over. They are scot free. They had to do it. The issue then becomes they just made some mistakes and didn’t follow some rules but they had no ill intent. They were all administratively punished for these rule violations so nothing to see here.

    On the other hand, if they didn’t have a valid predicate, what were they doing? That would be much more than just not following some rules. Probably criminal. You can’t just violate peoples 4th amendment rights and walk away with a demotion and a scolding.

    So yes, WAPO was trying to say that the IG report doesn’t say they didn’t have a valid predicate. They are correct because it doesn’t mention it. The IG wasn’t looking at that.

    These are some nefarious people.

    Still waiting for an indictment of a non Republican.


  31. Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

    I don’t normally listen to Rush but I was driving in Iowa today and had the car radio tuned to WHO (1040 AM out of Des Moines) and they were playing the Rush show. Good show in general, but when he brought up the WaPo article he seemed to completely miss the oddity of mixing the counterintelligence investigation and the FISA abuse review.

    Just want to add that there were plenty of reports about Grassley’s comments about USMCA. Lots of Iowa farmers are interested in USMCA getting passed, and Grassley is being a good Senator putting pressure on Pelosi to pass the thing in the House before the end of the year. We’re heading into primaries soon, the Democrats aren’t going to look good to Iowans if Pelosi takes no action on USMCA.


  32. Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

    I don’t see this posted in this thread, not sure if it’s in the open thread but it pertains to the WaPo article.

    President Donald Trump on Tuesday claimed Attorney General William Barr was misquoted in a news report stating that the Justice Department chief disagreed with a key finding in his agency’s watchdog review of the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign.

    “I think he was quoted incorrectly. I do believe that because I’m hearing the [inspector general’s] report is very powerful,” Trump told reporters at the meeting of NATO leaders in London. “But I’m hearing that by reading lots of different things, not from inside information. It’s really from outside information. I think all we have to do is wait.” https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/03/trump-says-barr-misquoted-story-justice-department-ig-report-074870


  33. abel says:

    thank you hardy huffman! do something barr! do anything barr! i know i know we have to get attacked until we’re almost dead before we respond. it’s stupid, its destructive, it will lead to civil war mark my words.
    barr fiddled while rome burned…. stupid…

    I do appreciate sundance’s comments he’s spot on in his media analysis. this is all bullshit. problem is: 1) we’re sick of the bullshit (2) prolonged bullshit just allows criminals to lie and fool the public (3) it’s destroyed our country and rule of law (4) it leaves us in a scenario of guaranteed civil war.
    I’m sorry but you can’t live with these people after what they’ve done. They all have to leave or go to jail. but by all means play your bag pipes while it burns fat man.


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