UPDATED: Disturbing Likelihood – FBI Lawyer Manipulated Carter Page’s Own Communication With FBI to Target Him…

There is a very strong likelihood the documentary material that FBI Lawyer Kevin Clinesmith falsified was actual communication from Carter Page to the FBI where Page was seeking their help in 2017.   This revelation would explain and reconcile two seemingly contrasting points:

  • Point one – The media have asserted, based on leaks from the principal reviews, the woods file manipulation by Clinesmith did not impact the validity of the original FISA application on October 21st, 2017.
  • Point two – The material Kevin Clinesmith did manipulate was so egregious and unethical, it stands as one of the most clear examples of corrupt FBI abuse of power in recent history.

This outline will highlight a VERY disturbing picture:

Start by remembering the timeline of the Carter Page targeting through the use of a FISA application to the FISA Court (FISC).  The original application was submitted on October 21st, 2016.  The first FISA renewal was January 12, 2017 (84 days from origination).  The second renewal was April 7, 2017 (85 days from prior renewal).  The third renewal was on June 29th, 2017 (83 days from prior renewal).

Avoid the spin, and let’s focus on the facts.  According to all reporting on the falsified evidence created by FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith, the manipulation of the woods file, happened during one of the renewals.

Michael E. Horowitz, uncovered errors and omissions in documents related to the wiretapping of a former Trump campaign adviser, Carter Page — including that a low-level lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, altered an email that officials used to prepare to seek court approval to renew the wiretap, the people said. (NYT Link)

The renewals were: Jan 12th, April 7th, June 29th, 2017.  However, we know from the redacted release of the FISA application there was no material added in the first renewal in January 2017.   So that leaves either the April ’17 renewal or the June ’17 renewal.

We know from the Washington Post and the New York Times leaks, again based on principal reviews of the IG report content, that FBI Lawyer Kevin Clinesmith modified an email:

…Horowitz found that the employee [Kevin Clinesmith] erroneously indicated he had documentation to back up a claim he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis for the application. He then altered an email to back up that erroneous claim… (link)

That means Kevin Clinesmith modified an email, which then became part of the woods file evidence (citation by FBI FISA warrant lawyer Sally Moyer) to support either the April renewal or the June, 2017, renewal of the FISA application.

Now we look to Carter Page’s reaction to the reporting on the Clinesmith manipulation:


The stunning likelihood here is that the email Kevin Clinesmith edited and falsified as part of his FISA renewal manipulation was email communication from Carter Page himself.

It is also important to note the phrase: “and his colleagues“; and then overlay what Carter Page says there with an earlier leaked explanation: “Mr. Clinesmith took an email from an official at another federal agency that contained several factual assertions, then added material to the bottom that looked like another assertion from the email’s author, when it was instead his own.”

It is jaw-dropping to think about the FBI team manipulating communication from the target of an unlawful investigation to continue targeting that individual.  Yes, this speaks to stunningly criminal intent…. and that criminal exposure would extend to any individual or entity participating in such an egregious, unlawful and unconstitutional violations of Page’s fourth amendment rights with a falsified application to the FISA court.

  UPDATE 5:45pm: Techno is in contact with the background participants; he is able to relay information.  Carter Page is confirming he emailed with the FBI including Kevin Clinesmith at 07:43:51 EDT on April 6th, 2017, the morning of the day before the second FISA renewal:


This April 6th date confirmation and contact timeline now makes additional sense.

Considering NOTHING was ever changed in the January renewal; and considering the DOJ/FBI legally had to have *something* change in order to get the April renewal; there would have been a great deal of pressure on FBI lawyer Clinesmith to create something if nothing existed.

Important context:  The FISA application (and first renewal documentation) was delivered to the SSCI (via James Wolfe) on March 17th, 2017, as requested by democrat Senator Mark Warner.   We know this from the release last year. This SSCI delivery is three weeks before the second renewal on April 7th.  This SSCI FISA delivery was also leaked by SSCI Security Director James Wolfe to journalist Ali Watkins at Buzzfeed. Keep this in mind.

Carter Page emailing with Kevin Clinesmith on the morning of April 6th prior to Clinesmith manipulating the content of an email to support his falsified documentation for the next renewal, April 7th, highlights the lack of evidence the FBI was able to discover in the seven previous months.  However, the FBI team wasn’t going to be deterred by the lack of evidence; instead they just made it up.

The timeline here is critical.

Clinesmith likely manipulated the FISA renewal in April because by law extending the FISA surveillance must be based on new evidence gathered.  In the following month Clinesmith transfers to the newly created Mueller probe. According to the New York Times and Michael Horowitz: “[Clinesmith] was among the F.B.I. officials removed by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, after Mr. Horowitz found text messages expressing political animus against Mr. Trump.”

The manipulated evidence FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith fabricated was then used by the team of Peter Strzok, Andrew Weissmann, Robert Mueller and Clinesmith for the objectives of the special counsel.

Again, another overlay, keep in mind that Robert Mueller asked Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein to extend the scope of his investigation twice more after the original appointment of the special counsel.

That means Special Counsel Robert Mueller used a falsified FISA warrant as part of his investigation; and that material exploitation continued after team members within the special counsel became aware the FBI members were compromised and likely the FISA warrant application itself was falsified.

Yeah, depending on what people within the Mueller knew and when they knew it, this IG report on FISA abuses could be much more consequential than the media would currently like to admit.

Within the FBI Kevin Clinesmith was responsible for material evidence that underpinned the FISA warrant.  Clinesmith then hands that material to Sally Moyer.  Ms. Moyer is responsible for the legal compliance within the FBI counterintelligence operations that generated FISA applications.

Sally Moyer was FBI unit chief in the Office of General Counsel (counterintelligence legal unit within the FBI Office of General Counsel).  Her assembly of the FBI material is to ensure the citations are in place to support the Woods File requirement.  Then she hands it off to Main Justice, the DOJ National Security Division (DOJ-NSD).

Receiving the FISA warrant application in the DOJ-NSD is Tashina Guahar, Deputy Assistant Attorney General (DAAG) in the Department of Justice National Security Division (DOJ-NSD) with responsibility over the assembly of FISA applications in Main Justice.  In essence, Tashina Guahar is the working Main Justice FISA lawyer.

Shortly after IG Horowitz delivered the draft of his investigative report to AG Bill Barr last September, not only did Kevin Clinesmith leave the FBI but also Tashina Guahar quietly leaves the DOJ-NSD {Go Deep} and is reported to have taken a job with Boeing Corp.

In hindsight the reason for Tashina Guahar’s mysterious exit also makes sense.

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771 Responses to UPDATED: Disturbing Likelihood – FBI Lawyer Manipulated Carter Page’s Own Communication With FBI to Target Him…

  1. I have a couple of questions.

    Wouldn’t there have to have been new information added to the file for the first renewal also?

    Have we seen any of Clinesmith’s text communications?


  2. Rachelle says:

    If you are ever on a federal jury remember these people are no more to be trusted than the KGB or Gestapo.

    Liked by 2 people

    • Fringe Dweller says:

      Absolutely. If you’re ever called in for jury duty on a federal case, do your best to stay in the jury pool. Be possibly the only jurist among the 12 that is there to ensure the constitutional rights of the defendant are being protected. He could have a shitty lawyer, and of course the prosecutors only go for conviction, regardless of truth. If there is ANY proof the government has used questionable evidence, be that lone voice that won’t convict, unless there is OTHER evidence that is overwhelming. That is your duty to your fellow man.

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  3. TheUnknownPatriot says:

    If Carter Page was “under cover employee 1” that kind of blows their whole reasoning up doesn’t it? It goes from “The FBI investigated Trump and got a Fisa warrent on page because he was associated with Russians” to “the FBI used Carter page as a plant in the Trump campaign then got a Fisa warrant on him so they could spy on the two hop people he came in contact with”. THAT is a true bombshell if proven.


    • Right to reply says:

      It would be nice to prove it!


    • Patricia Leonard says:

      I’ve always thought Carter was a knowing plant. He has never seemed to be under duress during his televised interviews, always smiling/smirking. He avoids answers to some questions that might shed light on his intentions. My suspicions were supported when I read a website that had some good insight and also answered who was responsible for hiring Page and Papadopolis. Here is a link, start on Part A. https://chaletbooks.com/chaletreports/


    • Patricia Leonard says:

      I’ve always thought Carter was a knowing plant. He has never seemed to be under duress during his televised interviews, always smiling/smirking. He avoids answers to some questions that might shed light on his intentions. My suspicions were supported when I read a website that had some good insight and also answered who was responsible for hiring Page and Papadopolis. Here is a link, start on Part A. https://chaletbooks.com/chaletreports/


    • Patricia Leonard says:

      I’ve always thought Carter was a knowing plant. He has never seemed to be under duress during his televised interviews, always smiling/smirking. He avoids answers to some questions that might shed light on his intentions. My suspicions were supported when I read a website that had some good insight and also answered who was responsible for hiring Page and Papadopolis. Here is a link, start on Part A. https://chaletbooks.com/chaletreports/


    • “ In an interview with RealClearInvestigations, Page insists that the interview in question – held at then-U.S. attorney Preet Bharara’s office in New York — had “absolutely nothing” to do with the Trump campaign or Russian collusion. Instead of being grilled about shadowy ties, he says he answered questions “related to events in 2013, in a case where I had served as a witness in support of the FBI.” ”



  4. mopar2016 says:

    Clinesmith and all the rest have seriously underestimated this president.


  5. MTHOMAS67 says:

    None of this matters if we don’t shut down ALL borders/points of entry, build the wall and begin deporting ALL immigrants (legal or not)!
    80% of immigrants vote democrat/leftist.
    The degree to which Americans are being out-voted by foreigners will ONLY increase, if it is not already too late.


  6. the attached article from gateway pundit has texts from Clinesmith… I’ve read them before over the past couple of years somewhere.. now they make more sense and make me sick to my stomach- things like

    ” I have initiated the destruction of the Republic”


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  7. ATheoK says:

    “However, the FBI team wasn’t going to be deterred by the lack of evidence; instead they just made it up”

    This appears to be the basic FBI’s team lack of honesty and utter disdain for the Constitution approach. The whole crux appears to based upon Taqiyya philosophy where innocents are deceived, unjustly incarcerated or if possible slaughtered to advance FBI/CIA goals.

    Given the way FBI/CIA intelligence teams work, every member was expected to provide their share of illegal deflection until as they moved up the ranks, newcomer deflections provided team cover and protected their higher officials.


  8. thedoc00 says:

    Unless more names appear or there were more names CC or BCC on the e-mails, this is going to become the “Intent” defense on steroids by the primary coup participants and FISA Judges. Everybody was acting on good faith that the dirty lawyer provided truthful evidence.

    At this point, the rate of decrease in Clinesmith’s probability of survival is accelerating, unless he flips with hard evidence to present and is sent into very deep witness protection.


    • Perot Conservative says:

      Except there wasn’t just one solitary illegal or unethical act. Off the top of my head …

      1. Exculpatory Dept of State evidence from Kavlec (sp?) buried / omitted.
      2. Exculpatory email and letters (CYA?) from the UK that Steele was untrustworthy – omitted.
      3. Direct interview with Carter Page, who was contacting the FBI, not used – instead a more invasive technique.
      4. Spies planted on an American political campaign with no predicate.
      5. Dossier not verified.
      6. DNC, FBI, and HRC funding hidden.
      7. 85% illegal searches on the NSA database.
      8. Multiple illegal Leaks to substantiate the soft coup.


      • thedoc00 says:

        All legal in a “counter-espionage” related action, performed in “good faith”. I agree there was allot of illegal activity besides the actions of this lawyer but the claim will be made that this lawyer’s actions caused all the above to occur as part of the FISA his actions supported.

        There is a big risk the this lawyer’s actions become the reason to suppress legal actions and limit punishment to (nothing burger) “administrative punishment” and “more training”. The deep state gets yelled at, gets some bad PR but nothing else really changes.


  9. Lt Col Covfefe999 says:

    Sundance, not sure if this affects your explanation … Epoch Times says Moyer said she had nothing to do with the Woods file, and she claims (indirectly) Clinesmith didn’t either. Is this just a cover-up? She spoke to a couple of House committees on Oct 23 2018, after Clinesmith was ejected. (Ahhh, remember the good old days when the GOP had the House majority??)

    However, as previously reported in an earlier Epoch Times article, Moyer (listed as Attorney 1 in the IG report) told lawmakers that only the originating agent and the supervisory special agent in the field actually look at the Woods file during the preparation of a FISA application:

    Somers: “So you don’t — do you review the Woods’ file?”
    Moyer: “No.”
    Somers: “Did you review the Woods’ file in the Carter Page application?”
    Moyer: “No.”

    Moyer told investigators that “the person that’s signing the application is relying on the individuals who have signed the Woods form that they have the Woods file.” These individuals would be the case agent and the supervisory special agent in the field. […] Moyer stipulated that in some cases, the supervisory special agent at FBI headquarters who is signing off on an application might choose to review the Woods file, but that it wasn’t done for the Page FISA.

    Somers: “Do you know if that happened in the case of Carter Page?”
    Moyer: “I don’t think it did in this case.”

    In other words, Moyer’s testimony shows that besides the case agent and the field agent, no-one—including Clinesmith—even looked at the Woods files. https://www.theepochtimes.com/fbi-attorney-on-trump-russia-case_3155584.html

    Moyer’s interview with the House committees is here: https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/10.23.18-Moyer-Interview_Redacted-DJ.pdf


    • Lt Col Covfefe999 says:

      I don’t know what to make of it, but in Moyer’s interview with the House committees she recounted a meeting in late November 2016, called for by Bruce Ohr, with John Moffa, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and one other analyst present. This was just after Trump had been electing. This tells me that Moyer and the unnamed analyst were very important in the FISA-enabled coup attempt and that Moyer knows a lot. I hope Durham has deposed her.


  10. zekness says:

    I feel the need to link the video of biden here. I’m sure everyone has viewed it…but it’s a reminder about what this entire matter is really about..the center of the entire saga exists with a bragging biden who threatened UKR with a 1 billion dollar extortion that was very real with real fighting troops in full combat with zero arms from a US foreign policy.

    I call it the “SOB evidence”

    This video needs to be posted on every single thread and comment and raised at every debate about this impeachment saga.

    it’s a hard hitting video..the impact is so much more effective than legal arguments (not to suggest they are not valuable and critically important)…this video is more effective at getting a contrast that is based on reality …”I saw it with my own eyes”…

    notice at the end..the repeating SOB ..

    I also want to point out something else, biden says just before “telling his story”…he says something to the effect, I am paraphrasing here:

    “I was…well WE were/was/did…I was given all the good assignments.”

    I didn’t really catch that the first go around..he corrects himself..at first its casual to me..I’m thinking he is just being humble..but then I realize he is implying there was at least some level of coordination…this leads that he is either lying that the WH was not involved…and if so, this was his entire gambit….

    either way, should that investigation happen, I can see that key phrase very helpful in cross exam, to determine what level of involvment of official administration direction and the president himself had in this successful extortion threat.

    I know trump will come out of this thing fine. I am confident we will see him for another term..

    but what remains is that unless we pursue justice and investigate biden, I am going to have a very difficult time accepting the arguments made by my team that that rule of law and justice is a priority..and I will also hold the president himself to that threshold..

    We need to see this thing through..all the way…

    because otherwise, we are going to lose alot of people who are already starting to get pretty damned frustrated with veiled honor claims.

    if we intend on clearing the swamp…we cannot allow direct evidence of crimes and misconduct, even those of a former administration to go unchecked.

    this is war..and everything counts.


  11. Joemama says:

    Occam’s Razor says that Carter Page was paid by the FBI to implant himself in the Trump campaign to falsely predicate spying on PDJT. He is likely a co-conspirator that knew exactly what he was tasked to do. The fact that he was not charged with any crimes and acts like a clueless doofus, screams at this conclusion.

    Then again, some of the PhDs coming out these days that I work with are dumber than dirt.


  12. Kathryn Weddington says:

    I was going to include this interesting theory in the timeline but then this sentence popped out at me and I wonder how it can be about Carter Page’s letter.
    “Mr. Clinesmith took an email from an official at another federal agency…”


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