There is a very strong likelihood the documentary material that FBI Lawyer Kevin Clinesmith falsified was actual communication from Carter Page to the FBI where Page was seeking their help in 2017. This revelation would explain and reconcile two seemingly contrasting points:
- Point one – The media have asserted, based on leaks from the principal reviews, the woods file manipulation by Clinesmith did not impact the validity of the original FISA application on October 21st, 2017.
- Point two – The material Kevin Clinesmith did manipulate was so egregious and unethical, it stands as one of the most clear examples of corrupt FBI abuse of power in recent history.
This outline will highlight a VERY disturbing picture:
Start by remembering the timeline of the Carter Page targeting through the use of a FISA application to the FISA Court (FISC). The original application was submitted on October 21st, 2016. The first FISA renewal was January 12, 2017 (84 days from origination). The second renewal was April 7, 2017 (85 days from prior renewal). The third renewal was on June 29th, 2017 (83 days from prior renewal).
Avoid the spin, and let’s focus on the facts. According to all reporting on the falsified evidence created by FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith, the manipulation of the woods file, happened during one of the renewals.
Michael E. Horowitz, uncovered errors and omissions in documents related to the wiretapping of a former Trump campaign adviser, Carter Page — including that a low-level lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, altered an email that officials used to prepare to seek court approval to renew the wiretap, the people said. (NYT Link)
The renewals were: Jan 12th, April 7th, June 29th, 2017. However, we know from the redacted release of the FISA application there was no material added in the first renewal in January 2017. So that leaves either the April ’17 renewal or the June ’17 renewal.
We know from the Washington Post and the New York Times leaks, again based on principal reviews of the IG report content, that FBI Lawyer Kevin Clinesmith modified an email:
…Horowitz found that the employee [Kevin Clinesmith] erroneously indicated he had documentation to back up a claim he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis for the application. He then altered an email to back up that erroneous claim… (link)
That means Kevin Clinesmith modified an email, which then became part of the woods file evidence (citation by FBI FISA warrant lawyer Sally Moyer) to support either the April renewal or the June, 2017, renewal of the FISA application.
Now we look to Carter Page’s reaction to the reporting on the Clinesmith manipulation:
(Source)
The stunning likelihood here is that the email Kevin Clinesmith edited and falsified as part of his FISA renewal manipulation was email communication from Carter Page himself.
It is also important to note the phrase: “and his colleagues“; and then overlay what Carter Page says there with an earlier leaked explanation: “Mr. Clinesmith took an email from an official at another federal agency that contained several factual assertions, then added material to the bottom that looked like another assertion from the email’s author, when it was instead his own.”
It is jaw-dropping to think about the FBI team manipulating communication from the target of an unlawful investigation to continue targeting that individual. Yes, this speaks to stunningly criminal intent…. and that criminal exposure would extend to any individual or entity participating in such an egregious, unlawful and unconstitutional violations of Page’s fourth amendment rights with a falsified application to the FISA court.
UPDATE 5:45pm: Techno is in contact with the background participants; he is able to relay information. Carter Page is confirming he emailed with the FBI including Kevin Clinesmith at 07:43:51 EDT on April 6th, 2017, the morning of the day before the second FISA renewal:
(source)
This April 6th date confirmation and contact timeline now makes additional sense.
Considering NOTHING was ever changed in the January renewal; and considering the DOJ/FBI legally had to have *something* change in order to get the April renewal; there would have been a great deal of pressure on FBI lawyer Clinesmith to create something if nothing existed.
Important context: The FISA application (and first renewal documentation) was delivered to the SSCI (via James Wolfe) on March 17th, 2017, as requested by democrat Senator Mark Warner. We know this from the release last year. This SSCI delivery is three weeks before the second renewal on April 7th. This SSCI FISA delivery was also leaked by SSCI Security Director James Wolfe to journalist Ali Watkins at Buzzfeed. Keep this in mind.
Carter Page emailing with Kevin Clinesmith on the morning of April 6th prior to Clinesmith manipulating the content of an email to support his falsified documentation for the next renewal, April 7th, highlights the lack of evidence the FBI was able to discover in the seven previous months. However, the FBI team wasn’t going to be deterred by the lack of evidence; instead they just made it up.
The timeline here is critical.
Clinesmith likely manipulated the FISA renewal in April because by law extending the FISA surveillance must be based on new evidence gathered. In the following month Clinesmith transfers to the newly created Mueller probe. According to the New York Times and Michael Horowitz: “[Clinesmith] was among the F.B.I. officials removed by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, after Mr. Horowitz found text messages expressing political animus against Mr. Trump.”
The manipulated evidence FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith fabricated was then used by the team of Peter Strzok, Andrew Weissmann, Robert Mueller and Clinesmith for the objectives of the special counsel.
Again, another overlay, keep in mind that Robert Mueller asked Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein to extend the scope of his investigation twice more after the original appointment of the special counsel.
That means Special Counsel Robert Mueller used a falsified FISA warrant as part of his investigation; and that material exploitation continued after team members within the special counsel became aware the FBI members were compromised and likely the FISA warrant application itself was falsified.
Yeah, depending on what people within the Mueller knew and when they knew it, this IG report on FISA abuses could be much more consequential than the media would currently like to admit.
Within the FBI Kevin Clinesmith was responsible for material evidence that underpinned the FISA warrant. Clinesmith then hands that material to Sally Moyer. Ms. Moyer is responsible for the legal compliance within the FBI counterintelligence operations that generated FISA applications.
Sally Moyer was FBI unit chief in the Office of General Counsel (counterintelligence legal unit within the FBI Office of General Counsel). Her assembly of the FBI material is to ensure the citations are in place to support the Woods File requirement. Then she hands it off to Main Justice, the DOJ National Security Division (DOJ-NSD).
Receiving the FISA warrant application in the DOJ-NSD is Tashina Guahar, Deputy Assistant Attorney General (DAAG) in the Department of Justice National Security Division (DOJ-NSD) with responsibility over the assembly of FISA applications in Main Justice. In essence, Tashina Guahar is the working Main Justice FISA lawyer.
Shortly after IG Horowitz delivered the draft of his investigative report to AG Bill Barr last September, not only did Kevin Clinesmith leave the FBI but also Tashina Guahar quietly leaves the DOJ-NSD {Go Deep} and is reported to have taken a job with Boeing Corp.
In hindsight the reason for Tashina Guahar’s mysterious exit also makes sense.

















So, will this be another “Declined to prosecute” by the DOJ?
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I don’t think so. This is HUGE! Falsifying evidence and lying to his FBI superior (possibly) lying to DOJ (most likely) AND lying to the FISA Court (FISC – definitely!) are so very far removed from the Mickey Mouse charges brought by the special counsels office that they can’t even see each other. Lying to your boss is one thing (not something I advocate by the way) but presenting falsified information as “evidence” and thereby lying to DOJ (if they didn’t know) and a federal judge (on the FISC) is on a whole different plane with clearly serious implications. When this guy faces a judge, I doubt he will be shown much mercy. Wow, wow, wow, extreme malevolent intent.
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Also wanted to add that the media will more than likely (if they ever get around to reporting on it) will spin this as a rogue lawyer acting in his own.
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On his own
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Likely, but he’s Strzok’s albatross.
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On his own, out of the Cincinnati office, of course!
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The Walrus is immune to spin.
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They’ve already done precisely that. Last week.
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I don’t watch Televised “news” and only read a few online news sources so I obviously missed that.
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If you can, catch Mark Levin’s show that was on yesterday (Sunday night). I’m sure it’s on YouTube or FOX online. He has relevant parts from the open hearings and a review of what was going on.
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Thanks for the reminder of Levin. I’ve never subscribed to cable; am a regular conservative radio listener including Levin’s program; and grab interviews from YouTube (EpochTimes are wonderful) when I can but have been traveling recently with limited time and access. Stopped listening to Levin when he was a Never Trumper but started seeking out his Sunday evening interviews when his new program started airing on Fox.
The only televised “news” I listen to are the local weather and traffic reports and have even considered dropping that.
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Do you think when under criminal investigation it will open the door to other players, he spills some beans? I’m sure it was his idea alone.
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It would be very odd indeed if this were his idea alone but more is needed to tie others into it (e.g., as a conspiracy)
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I’ve read a couple of news articles now where the suggestion is that the FBI was misled. If they go with being misled, they can hang it on Clinesmith level flunkies and absolve those above him.
Which suggests we would have to believe those above him just blindly accept whatever is in front of them as factual.
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Hanging it on the Clinesmith flunkies would work if they take their medicine quietly.
However I would suspect there were quite a few back and forth discussion between multiple levels up and down the chain
Are you misled if you believe what you are told because it is what you already believe and wanted to hear?
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…if only Clinesmith is smart enough to describe those discussions. I guess that depends on how much time he might be facing, and whether that refreshes his memory.
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One thing now is for sure for him, though, and that is that life as he has known it is quite simply over. Lost job, besmirched character and facing possible (I say probable) felony criminal investigation and possible conviction, imprisonment and disbarment. Quite likely not the bright future he envisioned for himself when he was fabricating evidence.
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This omission, if allowed by DoJ, will signal the end of the constitutional republic and the beginning of another Socialist Communist society.
DoJ, are you there?
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This is all so RIDICULOUS!
The Claim?: This guy falsified the KEY Document Necessary to renew the warrant and his superiors DIDN’T even Bother to Validate/Verify or question this new evidence???
If you can’t see where this is going you’re willfully Blind or just completely out of touch!
There is NO WAY you give Mueller and/or his Henchman a free pass because some “low level” flunky ALLEGEDLY took it upon himself to falsify a Warrant on The President of the United States of America!
If this is a warrant on a Campaign, a Transition Team AND A President, you make DAMN SURE it’s F’N VERIFIABLE!!!
Also, as someone noted earlier, the article claims the original renewal was the same as the original. How can that be if there must be NEW Information for ANY renewal???
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I agree that this is ridiculous. However, we
simply don’t have enough information yet to say with any degree of certainty (that would stand up in court) that Clinesmith’s superiors had knowledge of what he had
inserted. You can speculate and rage all you like but that still doesn’t change things.
If, as the article states, that
Clinesmith changed an email (and possibly headers) how do you propose that those further up his chain of command are supposed to know that unless they discussed it (which we don’t have any evidence that supports that outside of mere suspicion). What were they supposed to have done, review his received and forwarded emails and compare them for discrepancies (which is probably what the IG
Did). Much government work is conducted via email. When I worked for the USG I certainly would not have expected a colleague to forward me an email chain, wherein he/she had altered another email (especially one authored by someone else) within the chain.
BTW I’m not absolving the special counsels office of anything……just dealing with the facts presented in this article. I have no particular sympathy for those on the special counsels team but quite the reverse. However getting true bill indictments fri a grand jury and convictions in federal court takes a lot more than conjecture and saying “I know it because I know it” and alleging that anyone who doesn’t agree with you is willfully blind or out if touch,
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“we simply don’t have enough information yet to say with any degree of certainty (that would stand up in court) that Clinesmith’s superiors had knowledge of what he had
inserted.”
Gimme a break.
This warrant was to SPY on the President of the United States! It was their RESPONSIBILITY to Gain that knowledge! It was “NEW” information. Everyone involved had a responsibility to verify and validate.
I mean, what organization have you ever worked for that would just accept this new information considering the magnitude of the implications from a lower level employee.
As originally stated, your either Willfully Blind or simply inept if you don’t understand the ramifications of your “argument”.
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The named target of the FISA order and whatever accompanying warrants were issued was Carter Page and not POTUS. Though I do agree that Page was only the means to tangentially intercept the true intended target of POTUS. However that is not what you said. Inaccurate comments like yours (POTUS was the target of the FISA) are just fodder for conspiracy naysayers.
What is included in a FISA application is only part of the story. What is left out of the FISA application is probably the bigger part of the story and especially if Page’s status with the Trump Campaign was left out or severely sanitized. In early 2016 who had ever heard of Carter Page? I suggest that very few, if any, FISA judges would have known who he was at that point in time.
I agree that all in the FISA approval chain have a duty to verify and validate the sourcing documents (wood file) of all statements of fact in a FISA application. How do you suggest that everyone in the chain validate and verify an email chain sourcing document especially if the email chain in question contains an email from Carter Page who was the named target of the FISA?
I would have never participated in a FISA such as this based on the publicly known facts and circumstances much less accepted it without extreme validation. I did however when employed by the USG routinely accept information from those with whom I worked and trusted but with most others vetted their supplied information more thoroughly especially if it could possibly become part of a legal process. BTW the affiant on a typical FISA application is someone at the supervisory level which is a middle manager level even though due to the sensitivity of this particular FISA, if I were in the chain above the affiant I would review the Woods file.
Okay. Fine. Add inept to your aspersions. Feel better now?
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Even more “wow” if he was acting on orders from Strzok. The fact that they pushed Clinesmith out of DOJ suggests they got what they needed from him…implication of Strzok and Page who were part of it. They all texted each other all the time. How long until we get the texts that say, “Did you see my edits? Let me know if that’s sufficient.” Something like that as they went back and forth on the renewal application. Kinda like the 302 “edits” on Flynn.
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I agree that it is highly likely that the IG has uncovered evidence that this was a coordinated effort the but we simply haven’t seen it yet. Eagerly awaiting the IG report.
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I’m still in the camp that the IG whitewashes this for his friends and allies in DOJ and FBI. That does not preclude Durham from reaching a much different conclusion based on the roadmap laid out by Horowitz. I’d also be willing to bet that the irregularities in the FISA application were found by Durham during his review, not the whitewash by Horowitz. I bet Durham even handed him the email chain. Then they had to go back and question all these people because Horowitz did a shitty job when left to his own devices.
I’ll be happy if he proves me wrong. I’ll be even happier if all these “leaks” saying the report exonerates all senior leaders at FBI and DOJ is because they were giving a fake report to read to see who would leak it…
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I’ve never especially liked executive summaries even though I understand the need for them as executives simply don’t have time to read all of the details. Executive summaries only include the things that the gatekeepers WANT the principal to know and not necessarily what the principal NEEDS to know. I rarely read executive summaries first but go straight to the table of contents to see the scope of the report and then read what I deemed most important and always read the footnotes and appendices where the most damning information is usually tucked away. I only read the executive summary after I’ve read the report so as to better gauge the gatekeepers priorities and see how it compared with the overall report.
I don’t know who found the email change but will remind you that the IG is who found the missing Strzok-Page text messages (going down four levels and persisting) even though your scenario re Dunham finding them is plausible.
I like your suggestion regarding a planted report for leak purposes though. It’s certainly not beyond the pale of investigative tools in the bag.
I’m cautiously optimistic which is up a notch or two from several weeks ago.
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BTW Clinesmith was an FBI lawyer and Guahar was a DOJ attorney before they were pushed out.
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I have a feeling that Clinesmith’s texts are not the last texts we’ll see from “Viva la resistance” members of the crew…
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Sorry but i don’t think he did any of this without the express approval of his superiors. He was following orders probably from Strzok himself. This whole operation was from the very top.
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You might be right but we don’t have any evidence of that yet exception speculation.
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The evidence of Clinesmith’s wrongdoing would be the evidence he made up about Carter Page… and that of course could easily be verified.
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Yup
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We don’t have any evidence that Strzok directed or conspired with Clinesmith.
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I direct you to the master: Sundance
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/11/22/new-york-times-confirms-peter-strzok-team-underling-kevin-clinesmith-is-fbi-lawyer-who-altered-fisa-application/
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Just stunning. Jawdropping. There has to be real legal, financial, and career-ending consequences for this guy or we’re done for.
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This guy, and the DoJ personnel he handed off to are just tree in a forest.
The dossier itself was toxic fruit of a poisonous tree. And they knew it.
This is just a further elaboration of an institutional culture that tacitly avoids admitting they slid down the slope to hit bottom.
Arrogance oozes from this clan. Collyer’s report addresses the backlog of FISC identified “problematic cases” which the JD had trouble justifying in case renewals & reviews . This particular example is part of a pattern; superiors pleading ignorance just doesn’t wash.
How many people have this clan nosed about, abusing our surveillance capability?
The command must be knocked off their perches
At the highest level this was a brazen OBVIOUS conspiracy to crimes related to blocking the full & peaceful transition of power to the. incoming administration.
If the leaders are not punished for treason, do we have a functioning constitution? If this is not extirpated, root & branch, we cannot claim to be a free people.
Moreover, the DoJ, to date, has not restructured their cutesy failsafe, funneling cases through tainted non representative districts and compromised prosecutors. That lack of preparation does not inspire trust
Call me a roll con if u wish. I joined JW the day I was old enough to vote. Based on prior egregious negligence by fed LE & prosecutors in public corruption, combined with their massive expansion and bullying in private sector, Im entitled to be angry, cynical and demanding.
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Sundance.
Should we be reminded of the first FISA request(s), early/mid 2016,
that were turned down?
What were the predicate(s) and evidence for the earlier FISA request(s) and why the refusal(s).
Were these failures the motivation to create the Steele dossier?
Are the first FISA’s available?
Be very interesting to see their “construction.”
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Carter Page always seems unable to get to the point when interviewed. He beats around the bush which leads me to believe he is just a useful idiot. He always seems like a guy completely in over his head. He does not seem to have the ability to argue on a path of logic that makes any sense.
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that is why they picked him he is weak and confuse and scared…so his weakness
well he did not see them coming
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Seems to be some sort of profile; someone a bit eccentric that has contact with the people FBI/CIA want to spy on. Patrick Byrne seems to have some of the same personality traits.
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It appears Carter Page was simply an entry point for a wider surveillance net. The Patriot Act allows quite a few concentric rings of surveillance.
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That goofy bastard is a spy. Former naval intelligence. His goofy affection is an asset. Remember that the Russians tried to recruit him and concluded he was an idiot? We know that because it was in their communications when they were arrested and brought to trial by the idiot Carter Page. Back to the topic at hand…. if Mueller used fraud to get warrants then they should be springing Manafort now and dropping charges against Stone. Even that dummy Cohen should get a pass.
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No, Cohen committed tax and loan fraud and a couple of other criminal acts. He deserves to be in jail and he should stay there so we don’t have to listen to him whine any more, IMHAO
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Buzzfeed published the “Steele Dossier” on Jan 10, 2017. Why is Carter Page communicating directly with FBI/DoJ coup plotters on April 6, 2017? Dullard or dull tool who thought he was an insider?
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Agreed. Finally is coming out who were spying on Trump. Carter Page is one of them.
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dont forget the two hop rule goes both ways…. Anyone Page emails is also subject to investigation
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Greg, do you know if wrist issues for people with indirect ties are used,
Ike sticky tape, could travel horizontally .
I’m not able to express this in proper terms. It seems like they can make up pretty much anything, and go at someone years before the target’s name appears on a writ.
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If I’m not mistaken, Page was never charged with anything, unlike Papa D, Flynn, Stone, Manafort, and Cohen. Mueller never missed an opportunity to indict someone where he could.
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As I recall, he wrote a letter to Comey in September 2016 about he was hearing rumors he was being investigated by the FBI and he wanted to come in and clean up any questions. He had just finished testifying in a case that prosecuted 2 Russians as spies in March 2016. He’d been in touch with the FBI as an informer on that case since at least 2013, if not earlier.
I guess we’ll find out if the FBI ever got around to “interviewing” Page. The FBI knew enough about him to get the FISA warrant on “he’s a spy,” which gave the FBI the ability to listen in/spy on a wide circle of Trump campaign people, as well as candidate Trump, even though candidate (and I think President-elect & President) Trump has never met or talked to Carter Page. The FISA warrant “cured” all their previous illegal searches/spying.
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He is pretending. Look at his resume’. He graduated from the Naval Academy, worked for Merrill Lynch as an investment banker, three of those years in Moscow. After Merrill he founded his own investment firm, Global Energy Capital, LLC.
He acts like a naive waif, but no way guys. Investment bankers are sharks, they have to be.
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Knowledge and wisdom are two different things.
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There are sand sharks and Great Whites. Their appetites are different.
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I still believe he was an fbi informant or source, trying to act as if he was not. Part of the plan, thus the reason he’s never retained a lawyer and Horowitz didn’t question him. Sounded fishy from the beginning.
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Well, Russians certainly thought C Page was an idiot.
From 2013- March 2016 Page was a CI for the FBI in a significant Russian spy case (un-related to the Mueler case). The defendants in that case pled guilty in March 2016.
The Russians called Page an “idiot” (on tape via a bug the FBI gave Page to place on the Russians
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Ask the FBI for help? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha……….effing bunch of incompetents….
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not incopetent ut corrupted
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The FBI is dead to me for my lifetime.
I encounter them periodically in my line of work and treat them professionally as I expect them to act. I don’t make any political comments and we’re good.
But if I were on a jury I would summarily dismiss their testimony as false.
Yeah Mr. Wray it’s gotten to that level.
Congratulations
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Remember when we used to think that someone arrested by the fbi probably did something wrong?
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Uh, Maybe just too young to remember a time they weren’t sold out to corrupt politicians
Did the B actually prosecute & stop corruption in public servants & Congress ?
Or detect , admit and punish groups that breached intell ?
Were the leaders kinda high functioning middle class Americans , not what we have today, a caste of well connected multimillionaires? Ex Rosenstein.
And was the Bureau loyal to our country ?
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{Okay class . . . All together. . . what have we learned. . .?}
“Never ever never ever never ever ever never talk to the FBI – absolutely N E V E R !”
That’s right! Good job everyone!
{class dismissed}
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However, the FBI team wasn’t going to be deterred by the lack of evidence; instead they just made it up.
And wouldn’t the FBI have to repeat the process in order to get the June 2017 FISA renewal?
And how many people are sitting in jail because this is standard operating procedure?
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I keep asking myself how many innocents in jail because they didn’t like the look of them etc
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Read Sidney Powell’s book, “Licensed to Lie”, and you will find out.
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OK legal eagles, Kevin corrupted the file and then all the people up the line relied on that file, so what statue applies, and what is the punishment? Lying to the FISA Court is the obvious one, but are there more?
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flyboy46,
There are several possibilities, such as tampering with evidence, obstruction of justice, interference with a government investigation, subornation of perjury because his falsified evidence was relied on for the FISA surveillance warrant, perjury, conspiracy, abuse of authority under color of law, and about a dozen other charges I would think on the criminal side of the issues…but more information is needed about exactly what he did before a conclusion can be drawn, such as how this was coordinated with others.
Let’s not forget that sally moyer worked with him on this issue and that she was allegedly his girlfriend, a la shades of the strzok and page affair.
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I’ve stated several times this trick won’t hold up. Thanks to the loud mouths and hubris of Comey, Clapper and Brennan. They actively tweet angrily about Trump. They’ve shown their bias even in the face of ZERO evidence of ANYTHING. They act as if they’ve seen something definitive. Based on this supposed Low level info that Clinesmith doctored, that won’t hold up as being what would make these three pricks stick by their assertion that Trump is a Russian spy. Doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.
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Agree Bill.
. This can’t be particularised down the chain. The DoJ & B leaders harboured intentional malice and used & even helped finance the production of a pile of crap as their basic platform for the apps.
Then they covered it up. Isn’t that conciousness of guilt, or something ?
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It sounds like Klinesmith went fishing.. My guess ( because of the timlyness of the CP email) the email chain starts with Klinesmith requesting known information from Carter Page ànd then editing the response and possibly the header (removing the chain trail).
A big red flag and unanswered question about our idiot savant naval academy graduated military intelligence career guy is ….WTH since when was Carter Page working counter terrorism??
CP.is an intentional enigma. He is still trying to maintain (some kind) of cover. It may be years before we know the truth about CP
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The FBI had Carter Page thinking he was a big time player. Your fishing theory rings true. I remain unsure whether Page knew they were getting FISA warrants on him, and if so, if he knew the true purpose. He seems the type who they could have fooled into thinking he was helping crack some big terrorism or espionage case. Just how he came into the Trump orbit remains suspicious.
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I still think he was a spy plant from the DS, who was later burned for the FISA…
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Is there any evidence any of these conspirators have flipped? Surely someone will turn to save their ass years in prison.
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Bth:. Since no one has been charged, no need to flip.
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So Clinesmith falsified the renewal. Did I miss the part on why they had the Original on Page?
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CP is a little befuddled. Probably on CIA/FBI payroll wondering why they made these false allegations then did not indict. So you used me before for intel and now you used me for dis intel.
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Caroline Atkinson was Head of Global Policy for Google, where she advised Google’s leadership on policy issues and led Google’s work with policy makers, government officials, and key political stakeholders.
Prior to joining Google, Caroline served as President Barack Obama’s Deputy National Security Advisor for International Economics.
https://www.cgdev.org/page/caroline-atkinson
fbi woods is moyer (sleeping with clinesmith) and inside DOJ woods is Tashin Guahar…
the fabrication was the April renewal…
why didnt the Jan renewal need new evidence?
it appears Rod rosenstein may have pulled a sting operation on them..
as in, lets see if Muellers team falsifies the fisa to do this so called insurance plan we stumbled upon.
plus this information is only public after a second insurance policy coup act has taken place { the whistle blower change form for hearsay and Ukraine sequel).
Question – who was atkinson most closely related to in this group?
we have Clinesmith sleeping with Moyer (FBI side); and Tashina (DOJ side..
Where does the NEW IG Atkinson fall in this? (we know he was NSC but with who?)
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That makes Atkinson senior legal counsel to John Carlin and Mary McCord who were the former heads of the DOJ-NSD in 2016 when the stop Trump operation was underway.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/04/sketchy-inspector-general-michael-atkinson-admits-whistle-blower-never-informed-him-of-contact-with-schiff-committee/
and Mary McCord’s husband Sheldon Snook is assistant to Chief Justice Roberts on the Spy court
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sheldon-snook-a4750513
follow the wives.
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“one of the most clear examples of corrupt FBI abuse of power in recent history.”
What, this week?
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It’s about time to start planning a 63 million man march on the DC mall in support of President Trump.
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Only 2 people showed up in support of POTUS during the Schiffshow. Why would this time be different?
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A great service you have done for your country SD. I was very fortunate to find this site about 3 years ago and have followed your post ever since.
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Again, of all the investigations likely to lead to criminal charges being filed, the FISA abuse is how it will happen. Serious felonies have been committed, by agents of an organization sworn to uphold the law. The fabrication of evidence to unleash T-1 warrants is the most egregious crime that can be committed by a federal agent or agency. The subject has no idea what’s happening to him, has no recourse to stop the immense collection effort being executed against anyone he’s in contact with, and since the warrants are all classified at the highest levels will never know how badly his constitutional rights have been violated….unless the orders are declassified entirely.
The Horowitz report is great, but useless without the declassified warrants and background information. Once those are released we will get a much clearer picture of “what happened”.
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Will–or has Clinesmith sworn under oath that he acted entirely alone, that he was not ordered to doctor the warrant by anyone and that he never told any of his colleagues or superiors what he had allegedly done secretly by himself at his so called low level or bottom feeding position in the FBI as the Fake News noted.
Or will he turn on others and save himself. That might depend if the Barr/Durham prosecutors are tightening the vise on him and his freedom similar to Weissmann’s tactics or are they assuring him that they will give him the James Wolfe treatment without getting anything in return. Another option is to ensure the D.C. Judge in his trial will be an Obama appointee like Berman. That will be easy.
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Clinesmith does not want to be Epsteined. Witness protection means nothing; the people running that worked for the people Clinesmith would put in prison and would betray him about 5 minutes after he signs up. Life will imitate art. He will be offered a carrot, and his life, for taking the fall and swearing nobody made him do it except those already independently implicated (who they are will be leaked to him through Sally).
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It seems almost any predicted outcome or scenario is possible in these crazy times. When an A/G concludes that the most famous prisoner in America dies suddenly and unexpectedly in “a perfect storm of screw-ups,” it’s hard to rule any theory out.
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There were a lot of persons connected to this, and in Clinesmith’s
orbit that resigned around September. Baker, Tashina, and, a wild card here.
John Carlin. Was Clinesmith in Carlin’s orbit? It’s confusing to separate all
the different divisions, but…..
Of all the persons connected to this I can see FORCING, or INTIMIDATING
someone into doing something along these lines, it would be Carlin. The guy
just flat throws out a completely menacing vibe. I’ve met some people over the
years that I would not willingly oppose in any way, shape, or form. Carlin, by
demeanor, hit me as the exact same type.
So, Clinesmith does some doctoring to help the FISA warrants do the bad
guy’s intended purposes. Yes, he’s a fellow traveler, but he might have needed
a big, intimidating nudge. And, the person (IMO) most likely to do the nudging
resigned shortly thereafter. To become a PBS star on useful propaganda with
Judy Woodruff.
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I want to see them all that signed the warrant keep a straight face when asked , So you believed
Carter Page was a Genuine KGB Russian Spy like it says in this warrant ??? A title one FISA is reserved for Terrorists . The judge alone knows it was during an election . The judge knows this is why the FISA was blocked and protested knowing they would abuse it . No way the judge didn’t know Page was an American CIA spook . Where is the proof they used to get the warrant .
Lets see the CIA/FBI records on what they paid Page .
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To my way of thinking, Inspector Horowitz will have done our country a tremendous service by laying bare the oh-so-many ways in which the 1970’s era “FISA” concept has utterly and completely failed us. Let’s face it: the entire system was gamed, and at least two judges who have tried to serve on that secret court have said so – as has the former Director of the NSA.
I hope that similar “hard scrutiny” will also be thrown against the PATRIOT Act, which “miraculously appeared” in its many-hundred-page glory “mere days after 9/11,” and was promptly enacted in its entirety without a quibble – and since renewed.
Basically, I think that our present system of Federal laws and principles have not withstood the test of properly controlling what has become possible in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. We have a lot of work to do – and, a lot of thoughtful(!) lawmaking to do …
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Why is Bruce Ohr still going to work at his office at the FBI and is not fired?
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Of course, as Strzok was such an arrogant and reckless idiot who should have never been a “Counter-intelligence” chief in the first place (especially after the bumbling FBI should have learned its lessons after the costly fiasco of Robert Hanssen the Soviet Mole 1975-2000), we are waiting for ANYONE to interview his jilted wife Melissa Hodgson or even Mr. Page. Also, where are the PRIVATE/PERSONAL cell-phone records of the “Lovaaaahs” that probably have graphic photographs on them…along with other governmental/intel evidence as surely they did not probably bother to suddenly switch between phones during midnight sessions of phone-sex-Strzoking as that takes serious skillz!
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Unmitigated BS…
Lawfare gets to play connect the dots on a moving goal post scale all day long with ZERO push back other than lip service.
When is the AG Barr going to call them out.
Forget Institutional CYA.
There has been more than enough dot connecting from the pass three years that have failed to stick. At this point the Institutional CYA is starting to come across as a poor excuse that borders on Constitutional Malpractice by the very people who should have by now gone, “Two plus two equals four.”
This Institutional CYA, IMHO is being gamed by the entirety of the Federal Government.
It is high time to call the Institutional CYA bluff.
I have thought greatly about the How?
Seeing if our Sundance education on the adminstrative state aka ‘deep state’ has been Revelational to so many.
When are we going to start cobnecting some serious dots.
I believe it has come time to make it known there should be 2020 boycott. Call the bluff, we will let a Warren type candidate win, if the AG of the DOJ justice does not step up, and start placing Constitutional issues ahead Institutional CYA.
I am making this call as an all hands on deck challenge based on all available evidence that this CYA excuse is being gamed.
Basically force the AG of the DOJ to take a stand, either the AG is for the Constitution, or he running a gambit that aligns with the Lawfare DNC/ uniparty global agenda..
All those stories of money pouring into the GOP on the heels of Impeachment is simply feel goodism. Just the kind of cheerleading of support that the status quo duplicity of the hoodiwink is being REPRESENTATIVELY CHANGED. All the while the Lawfare ‘deep state’ keeps pushing forward.
Specifically, when you stop and think about, “How on this green earth, can an election be contested, if having done your Constitutional duty… The deep state can just report PDJT lost, and the leftwards turn of events now has a mandate.
That is the goal I am driving at by the Instuitional CYA gamesmanship excuses. The Federal government has boxed itself into a fiscal corner and the entire top tier of the federal government are all in on scam, and essential nasty problems is, “How to go about dropping the pretenses.”
If that is problem, and that is the question? How would you, as if were the Federal Govt run a new flag up the pole when faced with a multi trillion dollar underfunded liabilties towards its citizens.
Asking those types of questions, the solution being pursued starts to look very much like exactly the last three years.
Call the bluff, force them to drop their ‘Apple Pie’ panda masks.
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All those stories of money pouring into the GOP on the heels of Impeachment is simply feel goodism. Just the kind of cheerleading of support that the status quo duplicity of the hoodiwink is being REPRESENTATIVELY CHANGED. All the while the Lawfare ‘deep state’ keeps pushing forward.
Should read…
All those stories of money pouring into the GOP on the heels of Impeachment is simply ‘feel goodism’. Just the kind of cheerleading of support that the status quo duplicity are being REPRESENTATIVELY Challenged. All the while the Lawfare ‘deep state’ keeps pushing forward.
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All those stories of money pouring into the GOP on the heels of Impeachment is simply feel goodism. Just the kind of cheerleading of support that the status quo duplicity of the hoodiwink is being REPRESENTATIVELY CHANGED. All the while the Lawfare ‘deep state’ keeps pushing forward.
Should read…
All those stories of money pouring into the GOP on the heels of Impeachment is simply ‘feel goodism’. Just the kind of cheerleading of support that the status quo duplicity are being REPRESENTATIVELY Challenged. All the while the Lawfare ‘deep state’ keeps pushing forward.
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I am hopeful that Kleinsmith will become a rat and give up the rest of them at the FBI who were in on this. Remember, there are a lot more people in “The Resistance.” Flush them all out !
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A must read for those of little faith:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/11/the-first-glimpse-into-horowitzs-fisa-abuse-report/
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Andy McCarthey is on record as saying that he expects a slap on the wrist for those involved in Spygate. He seem to have changed his toon and offers up his analysis of the misleading, leak-informed reporting from WaPo, NYT and CNN.
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PDJT on 11/8/19:
“I caught the swamp. I caught them all. Let’s see what happens. Nobody else could have done that but me. I caught all of this corruption that was going on and nobody else could have done it.”
11/15/19:
President Trump’s departure for a political rally in Louisiana was delayed by about 45 minutes on Thursday evening because he was having an “animated” conversation with Attorney General William Barr in the Oval Office, ….
Being the only one to have kept his word as President in the last few decades, I accept PDJT’s statements without hesitation. I am confident that the ‘big game’ is being played very well. I do not see him forgiving those who have put him, his family and ordinary Americans through this insanity.
Our children need to be taught about ‘what could have been’ as much as ‘what could be’. Choosing our leaders properly requires time, effort, evaluation & correction. Otherwise, the voices of the many can be drowned out by very few.
Awesome insight, Sundance! BTW – stand fully corrected on your assessment of issues in the military.
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Time for Barr to start playing hardball.
These 2 patsies should be frog marched in front of the courthouse cameras and charged with some serious time.
Keep’em on ice while the rest of those swamprats are wondering what kind of confessions they’re making.
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Time for Barr to start playing hardball.
These 2 patsies should be frog marched in front of the courthouse cameras and charged with some serious time.
Keep’em on ice while the rest of those swamprats are wondering what kind of confessions they’re making.
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Notice how every time Horowitz gets wind of corruption…they are quietly removed to protect the validity of the coup…but he never questions the corrupt acts they committed before they were removed.
Horowitz has been covering up from the start.
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PDJT knows everything…he’s playing chess right now
Its the master stroke of a wand that Obama denied and never held
i guarantee that in a month or two, the world will be shocked, and the most powerful Nation in the world will change the future.
Be ready
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It’s starting to make more sense why Carter Page wanted to review the IG FISA report.
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“there would have been a great deal of pressure on FBI lawyer Clinesmith to create something if nothing existed.”
I can’t believe Clinesmith created this on his own volition. Who was he talking to?
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“Tashina Guahar quietly leaves the DOJ-NSD”
(shortly after Mueller delivered his report to Barr Sept 2018)
So I wonder whether Guahar was interviewed / questioned by Inspector General Horowitz?
If not, he no longer can because Guahar’s no longer a Federal employee
Which would mean that if there’s any questioning of Guahar to be done, it would have to be at request / compulsion / subpoena from Durham … no?
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So let’s see. The FBI gets a FISA warrant using mainly two pieces of evidence. The most devastating one is the one we don’t know about yet. The one that Devin Nunes says is the “insurance policy “. And then we have the Steele Dossier, which for the most part wasn’t written by Steele. Not satisfied with that fraud, the FBI’s anything but a low level lawyer named Clinesmith, falsifies evidence to get a second renewal of that warrant. And he does this almost assuredly with his colleagues knowledge and approval and at their direction. And this isn’t even the most devastating part of this coup.
The most devastating part is that part of the Steele Dossier was probably written by Halper, who was the CIA/FBI informants/spy that was paid by the Office of Net Assessment. Why is that more devastating? Because the Office of Net Assessment is part of the Pentagon. Which is THE UNITED STATES MILITARY. Intimately involved first in an attempt to derail the campaign of candidate Donald J Trump, President-elect Trump, and President Trump. The same military that produced Lt Col Vindman. You know him, the one that countermanded a direct order of his Commander-in-Chief President Trump. The same military that says they can’t remove him from the NSC because a civilian employee of the White House that has to okay all NSC employee moves apparently has more authority over military officers than the military itself. The same military that has not court martialed anyone in the trial fiasco of SOC Gallagher?
What else don’t we know about our military leaders and their behind the scenes actions? We better find out quick. And we better make damn sure that President Trump is well protected. Because I would hate to think of what would happen otherwise. We need sunlight. We need patriots to step up and give their lives if necessary. We need accountability of everyone involved. And we need the most sever form of punishment handed down to ALL the guilty parties of this coup.
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