The Washington Post Helps Identify FBI Lawyer Who Altered FISA Docs…

At 8:15pm last evening Washington Post journalist Devlin Barrett posted a supportive article for the CNN (Manu Raju) news exclusive that outlined an “FBI Official” who was under criminal investigation as an outcome of the inspector general review of FISA.

The original WaPo article by Devlin Barrett noted the FBI official was actually a “line-level” lawyer who worked “under FBI Agent Peter Strzok.

At 12:15am, the WaPo article was significantly edited, two more journalists (Ellen Nakashima and Matt Zapotosky) were added to the byline.  Unfortunately, no explanation or notation of the changes were given.

~ Above: 8:15pm Washington Post Screen Grab prior to 12:15am edit ~

However, that said, the edit(s) help to identify the identity of the FBI lawyer.  The updated article removed the references to Peter Strzok, and identifies the line-level lawyer thus:

[…] The person under scrutiny is a low-level FBI lawyer who has since been forced out of the agency, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss material that has not yet been made public.

The employee was forced out of the FBI after the incident was discovered, two U.S. officials said. Horowitz found that the employee erroneously indicated he had documentation to back up a claim he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis for the application. He then altered an email to back up that erroneous claim, they said. (link)

If you have followed the case closely, the intentional removal of Peter Strzok in combination with the explanation of the lawyer’s FISA responsibilities; and in combination with prior reporting of FBI lawyer 2; it seems pretty obvious the line-level lawyer was Kevin Clinesmith.

If the WaPo article had added all the detail and left in how the line-level attorney worked for Peter Strzok everyone would have known who it was.  Hence they put in more details about his activity but removed the Strzok reference.

Kevin Clinesmith was one of the key FBI small group members on the original Clinton investigation known as the “mid-year exam”, or in text messages the “MYE”.

Within the MYE Clinesmith was one of the key legal staff working with Peter Strzok.  Clinesmith was lawyer #2 for Strzok who eventually transferred to the subsequent Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

Clinesmith was also previously reported to be having an intimate relationship with another member of the FBI team, Sally Moyer, though that is uncertain. [Tashina “Tash” Guahar was also a key legal figure on the Main Justice side of the MYE team.]

Sally Moyer was FBI unit chief in the Office of General Counsel (counterintelligence legal unit within the FBI Office of General Counsel).

Ms. Moyer was responsible for the legal compliance within the FBI counterintelligence operations that generated FISA applications.

When the MYE investigation finished, the Carter Page FISA construction is where Kevin Clinesmith and Sally Moyer come together in their next assignment, the FBI investigation of Trump.

Additionally, Tashina “Tash” Guahar was then Deputy Assistant Attorney General (DAAG) in the Department of Justice National Security Division (DOJ-NSD) with responsibility over the assembly of FISA applications in Main Justice. In essence the FISA lawyer.

[Related Sidebar: Current ICIG Michael Atkinson, the IG who modified the whistle-blower forms and allowed a hearsay CIA whistle-blower complaint, was the chief legal counsel for the head of the DOJ-NSD at the time all of this was happening.  Yeah, sketchy]

This is what it looks like put together:

In the Carter Page FISA application FBI line-level lawyer Clinesmith is responsible for the underlying evidence. FBI unit chief lawyer Sally Moyer is responsible for the citations (the “woods file”) that identifies the underlying evidence.  And then DOJ Tashina Guahar is responsible for the final application assembly; then it goes off to the top level DOJ and FBI superiors for signatures and submission to the court.

The WaPo article cites Clinesmith: “erroneously indicated he had documentation to back up a claim he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis for the application. He then altered an email to back up that erroneous claim.” That “back up citation” would be where his girlfriend Sally Moyer puts the Woods File citation.

This FISA assembly process: Clinesmith to Moyer to Guahar, took place in October 2016.

Almost three years later, Inspector General Michael Horowitz finishes his investigation and notes the issue with the documentation that supports the Woods File requirement.

This is part of Horowitz draft report as delivered to Attorney General Barr in September. According to the Washington Post the lawyer was “forced to resign.”  Further confirmation of the identity is found within the LinkedIn profile for Kevin Clinesmith, which shows he left the FBI in September.  Sally Moyer has unknown status. However, when Horowitz delivered his initial report Tashina Guahar was still at DOJ-NSD.

Shortly after IG Horowitz delivers the draft of his investigative report to AG Bill Barr, Tash Guahar quietly leaves the DOJ-NSD {Go Deep} and is reported to have taken a job with Boeing Corp.   In hindsight the reason for Guahar’s mysterious exit makes sense.

According to both the CNN and Washington Post report, the issue with the underlying ‘Woods File’ evidence has led U.S. Attorney John Durham to conduct a criminal investigation.  That investigation would include Kevin Clinesmith, the “line-level lawyer”.

A concerning part of the Washington post report is this:

[…] That conduct did not alter Horowitz’s finding that the surveillance application of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page had a proper legal and factual basis, the officials said.

That sounds like a white-wash outcome; mistakes were made, move along etc. etc.  But, if we look back upon the status of our research when the Sally Moyer transcript was released, that outcome was actually predictable.

FromMAY 2019:

Sally Moyer was FBI unit chief in the Office of General Counsel (counterintelligence legal unit within the FBI Office of General Counsel). Moyer reported to an unnamed section chief, who reported to Trisha Beth Anderson, who was deputy legal counsel to James Baker.

Ms. Moyer is responsible for the legal compliance within the FBI counterintelligence operations that generated FISA applications:

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Pictured Above: Ms. Sally Moyer

A review of the Moyer transcript clarifies a few aspects:

First, the DOJ/FBI team, “the small group”, specifically the legal officials who were ultimately participating in the process that permits politicization and weaponization of government intelligence systems, was also the exact same legal group who reviewed (and approved) the 2018 inspector general report into FBI conduct during the 2016 election outlining the DOJ and FBI activity.

In essence, the DOJ/FBI bureaucratic corruption is so widespread, the corrupt officials involved are the same people who are the decision-makers in the amount of sunlight the Office of Inspect General is allowed to put forth. Now the disconnect between the OIG executive summary and the body of content material makes sense:

Secondly, Ms. Moyer explains how FBI verification of the FISA application used against U.S. Person Carter Page is essentially just making sure the citations align to show who is making the claims.

The underlying FISA application material does not need to be verified; rather the FBI source material is just accurately cited and attributed.  Note that’s where Clinesmith comes in.

Ultimately what this testimony reveals is that any U.S. person can be subjected to a Title-1 FISA surveillance warrant so long as the FBI (and DOJ) can accurately cite the reason for the underlying suspicion.  The FBI citation is the “Woods Procedure”, and it is in this citation process where Kevin Clinesmith is said to have made false documents to support the citation(s).

Sally Moyer infers the merit of the accusation has nothing to do with the citation for the claim.  However, this is where the IG report is taking issue with the FBI citation:

…Horowitz found that the employee [Kevin Clinesmith] erroneously indicated he had documentation to back up a claim he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis for the application. He then altered an email to back up that erroneous claim… (link)

If he’s altering an email, it sounds to me like Clinesmith is modifying communication with an FBI source to construct a citation for a claim within the FISA application; perhaps that FBI source is Christopher Steele.

Again, it’s circular.

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667 Responses to The Washington Post Helps Identify FBI Lawyer Who Altered FISA Docs…

  1. Brant says:

    Gee, a couple of antifa wannabes? Need to get higher than this. Well, it’s a good start. I guess my hope is climb up the ladder one rung at a time.

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    • Lt Col Covfefe999 says:

      If theories are correct and it’s Clinesmith and he was FBI Attorney 2 in the 2018 IG Report:

      FBI Attorney 2 was assigned to the Midyear investigation early in 2016. FBI
      Attorney 2 was not the lead FBI attorney assigned to Midyear and he told us he
      provided support to the investigation as needed. FBI Attorney 2 told us that he was
      also assigned to the investigation into Russian election interference and was the
      primary FBI attorney assigned to that investigation beginning in early 2017. FBI
      Attorney 2 told us that he was then assigned to the Special Counsel investigation
      once it began.

      Multiple important positions. Not at the top but a key player in attacking Trump and exonerating Clinton.

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      • gsonFIT says:

        He followed his boss Strzok. Even had a paramour like Strzok. I bet you he was on Brennan’s Fusion Cell task force too

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        • stripmallgrackle says:

          Pulled out my copy of “Rules for Journalists” by Saul Goodinov and checked the guidelines for reporting on misconduct under republican administrations. Ellen and Matt might find this correction useful as the two cub reporters learn the basics of fair and consistent journalism practices.

          “The person under scrutiny has not been identified but is not a high-ranking official” is vague and might lead the reader to believe this was an isolated event where the person acted alone.

          Better:

          “The alleged actions of a key player in both the MYE investigation and the FISA application process have been exposed by the IG’s investigation into possible 2016 FISA warrant violations at the FBI. At this time it is not known if he acted alone, and people familiar with the case are asking if higher-ranking officials, possibly including White House staff, may have given the order. The person under scrutiny answered directly to fired Special Agent Peter Stzrok.”

          Fixed.

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          • gsonFIT says:

            They got a different book than you, but I like yours a lot better.

            Liked by 2 people

          • JiminCO says:

            It is truly amazing to me the SPEED that the deep state and the WP can manipulate the narrative by printing papers to those who drink up one side of the story.
            That, and the Media’s continuous mantra that the Biden-Ukraine laundering story is a “totally debunked” conspiracy——–debunked by whom?

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            • By the same people who said Hillary didn’t show any bad intent in using a home bathroom server, and the same people who said it was the Russians that “meddled” in the election process, and the same people who said Obama’s birth certificate was real and that he is a “Christian”– ETC. THOSE people. 😉

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            • Your Tour Guide says:

              Wouldn’t you LOVE to know who the person(s) is/are
              that they have to run everything past to get the proper
              talking points in record time? The same bunch that assures
              that EVERY single media outlet is on the same page?

              With current technology, and judging by the sheer number
              of times he had White House visits, I’d almost bet that these
              “coincidences” are tied in some way, shape, or form to Eric
              Schmidt. Has to be tech related.

              Have witnessed Yahoo News ( connected to an also run search
              engine), for far too long. Instantaneous rebuttals, smears, CYA
              for anything coming from the “wrong side”. In real time, this
              seems eerily similar. No coincidences, silicon valley tied at the
              hip to all things globalist.

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          • Redzone says:

            Stripmall – it’s clear you aren’t currently employed by any MSM including FoxNews. Your article was too accurate and informative.

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            • stripmallgrackle says:

              I think the dream is dead.

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              • rondonmonson says:

                This is the WAPO, so no one can believe them. When they said the FISA Warrant would have been approved ANYWAY, that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t criminal in other ways, just that via the FISA Warrant, the Judge would have approved it, MOST LIKELY, even without the change by this FBI Agent.

                But that doesn’t mean there are not Criminal aspects elsewhere to be found. Remember how they twisted the last Howowitz report ?

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        • 4gypsybreeze says:

          Exactly! And that original article was written by Devlin Barrett….made me wonder if Barrett and Wash Po are still shilling for the “Resistance”? Oh yeah….would put money on it!

          Thanks for all you do Sundance! My monthly donation being made right now to support what I call–Sundance University! Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

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        • zimbalistjunior says:

          btw, SD, Fusion’s Simpson and Fritsch actually put an op ed in NYT today. might be some data to be mined there
          worth a look

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      • Brant says:

        Thanks. I guess you are right. Brennan was once a near babe in arms too. We do need to get the big dogs, but helps down the line in the future to get the 20/30 something’s too.

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    • JiminCO says:

      Wishful thinking, but those photos of Ms. Moyer makes me wish it were just after she exited Durham’s waterboarding chamber.

      No, that won’t kill ya, sis.

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      • Xena Laminak says:

        Is it me because I have listened to too many Rush Limbaugh shows, or are Lisa Page and this Sally Moyer not believable as paramours? Maybe guys do cheat with women that look like this but you’d think a guy would want a woman that 1) has a personality, and 2) doesn’t look like she just washed up downstream from Woodstock 1969.

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        • bofh says:

          I wonder if Sally Moyer was Lisa Page’s wingman on their agency double dates?

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        • Fred Baugh says:

          Thus the true meaning of Miranda Lambert’s song; “Only Prettier.”

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        • zimbalistjunior says:

          they are completely believable
          DC is high school for ugly people
          you get what you can
          plus, and this is key, everyone there in middle management looking to move up is an expert in intra-office politics. the word out there must be that best way to succeed (especially when you are a mediocrity, which most of these people are) is to have allies on the inside. someone to push you forward when needed, to put in a good word for you, to give you a heads up on who’s onto you etc
          read the strzok page texts. the subtext is two mediocre people using each other.
          remember, a lot of these people are involved in loveless marriages with ‘co-equal’ partners who are also being used for their careers.
          read the texts. these are people who teeter between stupidity, banal evil, and venality.

          they are dumb enough to actually worship Comey, to believe what they read in the MSM.
          they are evil enough to use their positions to obliterate the constitution.
          and theyve been acting the same way for their 20 year careers. thats why they are where they are.

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    • Dee says:

      Have to admit I glossed ever article, but does this mean that no one is going to be prosecuted?

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  2. Paul says:

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/06/kevin-clinesmith-e/ July 11, 2018….Klinesmith is Attorney 2 who IG Horowitz cited in his previous report.

    He repeatedly denied to IG investigators that his political beliefs had any bearing on his professional work.

    Attorney 2: “I’m just devastated. I can’t wait until I can leave today and just shut off the world for the next four days…I just can’t imagine the systematic disassembly of the progress we made over the last 8 years. ACA is gone. Who knows if the rhetoric about deporting people, walls and crap is true. I honestly feel like there is going to be a lot more gun issues too, the crazies won finally. This is the tea party on steroids. And the GOP is going to be lost, they have to deal with an incumbent in 4 years. WE HAVE TO FIGHT THIS AGAIN.. Also Pence is stupid.”

    What did Klinesmith mean by ‘We have to fight this again?’ Now that we know he altered documents to obtain Carter Page FISA warrant, I think the answer is self evident.

    Attorney 2: “And it’s just hard not to feel like the FBI caused some of this. It was razor thin in some states. Plus my god damned name is all over the legal documents investigating his staff. So who knows if that breaks to him, what he is going to do.”

    At least Klinesmith was smart enough to know way back after the election that he was in trouble. Interesting that in previous report Horowitz said he was disappointed in the statements made by this gang, but that he did not find it affected their work. Now that he knows that Klinesmith altered documents in order to obtain the FISA warrant, how can he maintain Klinesmith’s extreme animus toward POTUS didn’t affect his work?

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    • vikingmom says:

      FTA – “That conduct did not alter Horowitz’s finding that the surveillance application of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page had a proper legal and factual basis, the officials said.”

      I don’t understand how Horowitz could come to this conclusion, knowing what he knows…I am hoping that the “officials” cited in the WaPo article are incorrect, although Sundance seems to feel this particular sentence means we need to all be prepared for the Horowitz report to be yet another whitewash of the corruption…”mistakes were clearly made” “better training will be instituted immediately” “one rogue employee, who is no longer with the Agency…” etc.

      I am also hoping that anyone who was charged with anything will be able to cite this finding as a basis for appeal due to a “Fruit of the Poisoned Tree” argument.

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  3. TheLastDemocrat says:

    Sad. But fabulous to learn. The warrant does not need to be based on good info. It just needs good-looking info.

    Like Charlie T. Tuna.

    How can this be? My guess: Woods file IS supposed to fit what we thunk of as evidence for probable cause for a warrant; but when checker of Woods doc is SYMPATHETIC to your cause, we will all tickvsome boxes and rubber stamp you.

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    • gsonFIT says:

      I wonder if it makes a diff if the evidence dude (Clinesmith) is carnal with the supporting Woods attorney (Moyer). Would the judge care about this? How about the FBI? Maybe James Comey? Adam Schiff?!

      I bet President Donald Trump’s attorneys will care about it

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  4. Bryan Alexander says:

    What angers me the most about all of this?

    In 1975, the Church Committee was created by the US Senate by an 82-4 vote. The investigation was in part a response to President Richard Nixon’s usage of federal resources, including law enforcement agencies, to spy on political and activist groups. They held hearing for months to get to the bottom of abuses perpetrated by the CIA, NSA, FBI and IRS. As a result of the Church Committee hearings the abuses and misconduct of the alphabet soup agencies was uncovered and documented. This was at the end of the Vietnam War, with all of the protesting and allegations of misconduct by the government, dark days for this country.

    The Church Committee’s final report was published in April 1976 in six books. Yes, BOOKS.
    Agree with, or disagree with, the motives and results of these hearings, the American public viewed this as the government getting the Alphabet Agencies under control and affording protections to American Citizens, protecting them from their government. Congress took up the problems and attempted to fix it, in part, with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). The FISA resulted from extensive investigations by these investigations into the legality of domestic intelligence activities. In an effort to curb the abuses uncovered, the FISA was introduced May 18, 1977 signed into law October 25, 1978.

    You would think that laws concerning privacy, spying, government intimidation, abusing power, etc… under FISA would be treated as sacrosanct. What we are seeing is that the government simply viewed them as an impediment, something they had to get around to do what they wanted to do.

    It is becoming clear that these laws meant nothing to those in power. They spied on whom they wanted, hid their activities under the cover of “National Security” and buried the documentation. And the Main Stream Media, who actively participated in fracturing the country to expose the wrong-doing in the 1972, now actively participates in hiding the current illegalities to protect their political allies.

    What angers me the most about all of this?

    The Obama Administration used the NSA, FBI and CIA to spy on and entrap their political opponents. And the MSM is actively helping in hiding this fact. And it appears this is no big deal to the FISA judges and the Judicial System as a whole. And the political party that led the charge in the 1970s to expose the wrongdoing and abuses now is the abuser of these systems and is trying to Impeach the president because they are getting caught doing it.

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    • islandpalmtrees says:

      Very good summary!

      The level of corruption in our country is so high, that our government is willing to impeach the first good president, I have seen in my life time. This President, must struggle not only with countries like China and Iran. He must put down a coup from the NSA, FBI and CIA a the same time.

      The price we are paying for the NSA, FBI and CIA is high, to high. If we, are to have peace and prosperity they must be shut down.

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      • Les Standard says:

        We are all spook’d up, yet we are being robbed by the Communist Chinese and illegal aliens….not to mention this lame coup attempt.

        1. Defense Intelligence Agency
        2. National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
        3. National Reconnaissance Office
        4. National Security Agency
        5. Military Intelligence Corps
        6. Office of Naval Intelligence
        7. Twenty-Fifth Air Force
        8. Marine Corps Intelligence
        9. Coast Guard Intelligence
        10. Office of Intelligence and Analysis
        11. Central Intelligence Agency
        12. Bureau of Intelligence and Research
        13. Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence
        14. Office of National Security Intelligence
        15. Intelligence Branch
        16. Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence
        17. Director of National Intelligence

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      • botchedcasuality says:

        Yep, time to cut bait.

        Liked by 1 person

    • IGiveUp says:

      “What angers me the most about all of this?

      The Obama Administration used the NSA, FBI and CIA to spy on and entrap their political opponents. And the MSM is actively helping in hiding this fact. And it appears this is no big deal to the FISA judges and the Judicial System as a whole. And the political party that led the charge in the 1970s to expose the wrongdoing and abuses now is the abuser of these systems and is trying to Impeach the president because they are getting caught doing it.”

      What angers me the most about all of this is having forgotten that government=power. The government doesn’t obey the law because it is the law. Forming a government and investing it with power as we did wasn’t perhaps as carefree a moment, deserving of fireworks, as we like to think. It was something necessary but something always to worry about and keep a sharp eye on and be vigilant about. Why write the Constitution the way it is with separation of powers and checks and balances etc. if the founders weren’t scared shitless of what it had the potential to become? Our fault is being careless about learning that truth. It was always the truth and it’s the truth today. Pearl-clutching and reaching for the fainting couch because men (and women!) dared to try to amass great wealth and power over others is disingenuous, and dumb, and irresponsible and unworthy of intelligent people. This has been a great (re)learning experience. Apparently we needed it. Americans aren’t and never were immune to the faults of man no matter how much we’d like to believe we’re exceptional. Perhaps we’ve just been exceptionally naive. Whatever the case, many have no been kicked and pushed and shoved awake. Hallelujah!

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      • Tl Howard says:

        That’s why I’ve said, big names in media, maybe even the CEOs of that media, need to “go down.” They won’t report truth until THEY suffer consequences for propagandizing under the name of news. ABC (I think it was) was the network that did such shoddy work on the Trayvon mess, trying from the beginning to shape a narrative against Zimmerman and in favor of the little boy with astronaut dreams, Trayvon, that the FCC should have revoked their license.

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        • Dee says:

          That is why we must wait until the holidays are over and they are back then show up and drag them out one by one. Start with anyone who happens to be in target range. Lets give them the Maxie pad treatment.

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      • Xena Laminak says:

        But how many Americans since 1972 have graduated HS without learning civics or logic? How many just sit around and watch sitcoms? Remember the 1980s and MASH, Love Boat, and Dukes of Hazzard not to mention Dallas. Then the 1990s with Seinfeld and Fresh Prince. As time passed, I think folks turned into Sponge Bob. I can’t get my one friend who has two masters degrees to read anything. Oh, no. I hate Trump and she hangs up.

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        • annieoakley says:

          She sounds like my brother.

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        • zimbalistjunior says:

          that is the key. people do not read. and if they read, they do not have the focus to properly analyze the text.
          its quite astounding. what percentage of populace read the july 25th phone transcript. it is 6 pages.
          none of my friends, not a one -all of whom have advanced degrees and are successful professionals- have read the transcript. and they all profess some interest in politics.

          otoh, some of those sitcoms you mentioned were and still are very enjoyable.

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    • Green Bucket says:

      And if nothing is done by AG Barr or the DOJ, it will be up to’We The People’ to correct it. This is America and we won’t roll over and accept this as normal.

      The time may be coming soon, I hope everyone is prepared!!

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      • paris23 says:

        I agree. The public cannot rest with this sham investigation. They have no qualms at all about fabricating charges against Republicans and locking them away forever. The persecution will only become increasingly more severe if we are silent in the face of this investigative fraud.

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    • JiminCO says:

      Wishful thinking, but those photos of Ms. Moyer makes me wish it were just after she exited Durham’s waterboarding chamber.

      No, that won’t kill ya, sis.

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    • Michael Stettner says:

      Well said.

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    • Joebkonobi says:

      Survival in the swamp. When you live and work in the swamp, you have no choice but to live off the swamp.

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  5. CNN_sucks says:

    The more PDJT pointed or fights back the criminality of FBI, the more they go loco to crucify him. Fbi are all criminals and thugs. No greater honor, Comey? Dumba$$

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  6. Nigella says:

    Of course it is a “low” level FBI agent… We knew the higher ups would skate

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    • MVW says:

      Yes, finally, someone low enough to throw under the bus. Another ‘Reality Winner.’

      There is always some useful idiot to use.

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    • Jederman says:

      Not only that, the “low level fbi agent” simply committed an “error.” Next step, defer prosecution because it’s too hard to prove “intent.”

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      • Tl Howard says:

        That is why at some level of this protocol, some HIGHER UP is legally responsible (or is supposed to be) for accepting blame when he says the info presented to a FISA judge is accurate.

        I don’t believe incompetence can be an excuse for subversion, can it?

        Can I murder someone and claim in court the gun went off by accident?

        Yes, of course I can, but the prosecution can build a case in which evidence is produced that shows animus, that shows previous threats, that in the end are supportive of willful intent to kill.

        The same is true here, by God. All those thousands of emails between all these people show INTENT.

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    • ann says:

      “The higher ups will skate”. 👆🏼 ”Nope, Unacceptable!

      The command chain owns it.
      They are entrusted with our most critical functions and turned it into a shithole.
      Entails responsibility for the quality of their underlings & colleagues work product .

      Fobbing us off with vague interagency blurred culpability,? NOT HAPPENING,

      Read this idiot’s testimony months ago, when Sundance released it. Horrifying these ignorant functionaries occupy positions of trust.

      their unfitness is manifest to any sane & literate adult . 🇺🇸

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  7. youme says:

    December should be a fine month for the FBI. Clint Eastwood’s movie “Richard Jewell” comes to movie theaters on December 13. Another innocent man destroyed by the FBI.

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  8. islandpalmtrees says:

    One little question, why are these people walking around free?

    They were willing to put Carter Page in jail, lie to the FISA court and trigger an unnecessary investigation that still has not ended! This does not include the monitory cost to are nation.

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    • Garavaglia says:

      Because those that would arrest them are their coworkers. They are one in the same.

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    • Lt Col Covfefe999 says:

      Why are they walking around free?

      Because for 2 years Jeff Sessions was completely hamstrung, Rosenstein was running the DOJ, and Trump could barely do anything because of Mueller.

      But Trump broke through. Barr became the AG in February of this year and in May he appointed Durham to investigate the traitors. They need to do a thorough investigation of a very complex multi-phase plot to destroy Trump commited by numerous players in mutliple agencies/positions. It’s going to take time, people need to be patient. Wait for the result. It’s still early, it’s just shy of a year before the 2020 election.

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  9. Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

    Short Tucker Carlson monologue from last night about lawyers in general
    … and Adam Schiff in particular.

    ~~~~~~~ TRUMP 2020 ~~~~~~~

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  10. franuche says:

    Looking for confidence that Barr is the man for the job to root out the corrupt actors and bring them to justice?

    Well, you probably shouldn’t read his remarks about Epstein’s death being a “perfect storm of screw ups.”
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/22/william-barr-epstein-death-was-perfect-storm-of-screw-ups/

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    • Bogeyfree says:

      Kind of sounds like the FISA Report, there was a typo and bad intel.

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    • Lt Col Covfefe999 says:

      First, this is the FISA docs thread so your comment is better suited for the open thread.

      That said, apparently you think Epstein was murdered. Am I correct? I think Epstein committed suicide. And I agree with Barr’s assessment.

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      • Amy2 says:

        In fairness, franuche was referring to corruption/collusion, and what AG Barr may do about it considering his determination on Epstein, which many believe also involved collusion/corruption, so his post is not unwarranted.

        That said, I believe Epstein was “allowed” to commit suicide and there apparently is no law against that.

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  11. Bogeyfree says:

    IMO the sad part of the F&F interview is PT really believes many in the Senate, in the DOJ and even ex politicians are his friends and have his back when IMO many of them are no different than Brutus.

    Personally, I’d do everything I could to fight this in the Supreme Court BEFORE it gets to a Senate trial.

    IMO the rules McConnell and Schumer come up with will NEVER allow for Shifty, or Joe Biden or Hunter Biden to be called. I also think there will be a good chance the WB does not have to testify in public before the Senate and even the possibility of a secret ballot voting agreement.

    When there is trillions upon trillions at stake and the pressure from Wall Street and the Globalist coupled with the fear of Ukraine money laundering being exposed it is just too great and 20 will cross over and vote PT out IMO.

    It may be political suicide for these 20 but make no mistake they will be rewarded and taken care of IMO.

    Heck it wouldn’t surprise me with all the voter fraud, the DS could actually make sure these 20 actually win as their pay back. After all they would be pawns from there forward and we know how much they love their leverage.

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    • botchedcasuality says:

      Bogey, agreed, Mitch snd Lindsey will shiv President Trump if a vote goes to the Senate.
      The votes to impeach will come from those not up for re-election.
      Unfortunately we can’t trust the Supreme Court either.
      A national march in support of our President is imperative!.
      Don the yellow vests!

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    • billybob says:

      The rewards will be worthless Bogey . If that should pass then the political – cultural – financial blowback will rock the world . When these seditious bastards see their retirement plans vanishing with each decline in the worldwide financial markets and knowing that they will need a witness protection program for the rest of their living days then the 30 pieces of silver they would sell out the people for will be but poison that they and their family’s will carry for generations

      Numbers 14:18
      ‘The LORD is slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generations.’

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    • gda53 says:

      “IMO the sad part of the F&F interview is PT really believes many in the Senate, in the DOJ and even ex politicians are his friends and have his back when IMO many of them are no different than Brutus.”

      IMO the sad part of your “analysis/opinion” is that you actually believe that PT believes that these people are his friends. Just because he said they are.

      Are you also convinced also that Kim Jong-un is his great friend? Because he said that too.

      Naivety, thy name is Bogeyfree

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  12. BoreMole says:

    I’m so relieved that all we need to do is throw a low level employee under the bus and revise the “woods procedure” and we will be all good again!

    ….

    Guillotines or STFU. If the deep state thought throwing this bone was going to satiate the urge to literally storm DC with pitchforks, they are mistaken.

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  13. farmerren says:

    Clinesmith looks like Vindman (I mean Lt. Col V….).

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  14. Orygun says:

    The largest priority in a government organization is affixing the blame. This is part one of throw a Christian to the lions and hope it all stops there. CYA!!!
    The instigators are working directly with the spin masters expect more of the same.

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  15. PoxOnTheDNC says:

    From the early part of November in an informal presser VSGPOTUS let the cat out of the bag.

    President Trump: “You know what I did? A big favor…I caught the swamp, I caught ’em all.” …. “Nobody else could have done that but me. I caught all of this corruption that was going on.”

    Sundance here’s an alternate scenario – Durham and Huber are looking over Horowitz’s should (very very closely) there is no way Horowitz can whitewash his current IG work product. The typical protect the institutions MO is impossible here.

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    • hokkoda says:

      There are also very big limits to what Horowitz can do. People can lie to the IG, they can conceal documents from the IG, etc. I worked in an AF unit once that hid things under an alarmed floor panel to keep them off the IG’s radar…all they can look at is documents, so hide the documents, that sort of thing.

      Trump was on F&F this morning saying this is just the beginning, more is coming, he knows…

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    • Amy2 says:

      Yes, IG report, whatevs. Could we have Durham’s report please?!!

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  16. Justin Green says:

    Clinesmith roasting on an open fire,
    Durham nipping at his toes.
    “Sztrok made me do it”, being sung by a choir…

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  17. Jim in TN says:

    This is sounding like a damn misdirection on the part of the DOJ.

    Coverup all the fraud, lies, etc in the FISA applications by saying they found somebody altered some irrelevant e-mail, to support a claim in the supporting document, but not the FISA itself.

    See how detached this is made to sound?

    What about hiding that Hillary paid for these false accusations?
    What about hiding that the author had political bias?
    What about not verifying the accusations?
    What about hiding that the accusations weren’t verified?
    What about leaking to the press?
    What about using those very same press leaks as independent verification?

    This list goes on and on with lies and falsehoods and half truths and political smears foisted on the Court so that they could illegally spy on a Presidential Candidate, President Elect, an President and everybody around him and then use that illegal spying to harass them in court.

    But all of that was A-OK, look a squirrel, he changed an e-mail, to support a line in the document, that supported the FISA application.

    We heard there was fraud and we caught that fraud. Now go home and trust us. We have to do more perfectly fine, legal spying on you.

    One thing is sure, if this is going to be called fine, Barr isn’t declassifying anything Nunes or the President wanted declassified.

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    • Lt Col Covfefe999 says:

      Wait for the report before you draw any conclusions. Don’t draw any conclusions from these CNN and WaPo morsels. CNN and WaPo are doing what they usually do, they are putting out advanced info to shape the narrative to favor the Dems. We have no idea yet if what they are reporting is accurate. I do believe CNN and WaPo are trying to further brainwash the libtard base, but they could also be attempting to demoralize Trump supporters. Don’t get sucked into it. Wait for the report.

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    • hokkoda says:

      Keep in mind who is doing the leaking and their motivations for doing so. They are going to try and gaslight everybody, just like what Schiff is doing now. Big Picture: the FISA report’s first leak is somebody directly involved in the FISA application has admitted falsifying data and then trying to cover it up. If somebody here predicts that 2 weeks ago, everyone says they’re a Pollyanna. Now there’s a criminal investigation confirmed, first leak out of the gate. I think more is coming. If not, so be it, but Trump was positively giddy this morning on F&F.

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  18. Redzone says:

    There may be one tiny speck of light at the end of the tunnel regarding the IG Report. Remember, it’s about 500 pages long.

    First though, I like how Sundance corroborates the news article’s conclusion that Horowitz’s finding that the surveillance application of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page had a proper legal and factual basis. He points out that Sally Moyer’s testimony was that she only read the draft IG Report only once. Makes sense if the findings are the Page application was legal and proper.

    Now for possible good news, maybe the U.S. citizens will get lucky and Horowitz will actually do his job and say, “and oh by the way, when we were investigating the potential Page FISA abuse where we found nothing wrong, we just so happened to notice tens of thousands of other improper FISA abuses and systemic problems…” And, the worst kept secret in D.C. is exposed.

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    • Bryan Alexander says:

      The whole construct of getting a 2 hop warrant on Page, and then continuing it AFTER he had left the campaign is wrong. They weren’t interested in Page, they were interested in spying on the President and his advisors. A blind dog can see that.

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  19. MLK says:

    I’m prepared for some here to jump down my throat for what I’m about to say but here it goes.

    As I’ve mentioned before, in the case of a counter-intelligence investigation, particularly at the highest level such as this one, essentially anything goes in the national interest. I’ve described this previously as the Better Safe Than Sorry defense.

    But that’s the real-time starting point. It assumes proper purpose and, importantly, all participants bear an on-going responsibility throughout to be on the lookout for improper purpose and foreign intelligence agency operations.

    I’ve always considered it a risible falsehood that any foreign power, including, and especially in my view, Russia, thought Trump might win, let alone wanted him to. Russia knew what was being deployed against candidates Trump and, of course, how the American National Security State and Intelligence Services operated.

    Given the global power of the United States, every foreign power of any meaningful import acted, we can confidently assume, in a self-protective, self-preservationist manner. Thus, we learned, was the case to one degree or another with the U.K., Italian, Australian, and Israeli intelligence services.

    The stakes for Russia were immensely higher in that not only was the US-Russia relationship deeply adversarial, but the Russians had myriad public indications it would be fingered one way or another. If Trump had lost the election, it would have been forced to accept and play along with an in the end non-threatening to it narrative that saw Trump convicted of being a Russian asset and spending the rest of his life in prison.

    But Trump, of course, won.

    Now consider what each of these foreign powers do in light of their involvement. Remember, Russia had been to this rodeo before — when Kennedy was assassinated. I’ve previously described Trump winning the election as akin to the Kennedy assassination failing. In that counter-factual event we would have heard a great deal more about the then Soviet Union’s role in the plot.

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  20. Clinesmith? Sounds like they’re trying to create as many layers beneath Obama and Clinton as possible. I’m surprised they didn’t start with the night janitor.

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  21. hudsonthedog says:

    These thin-lipped straight-haired uber-women like Moyer and Fiona Hill look like they would be at home running a WW2-style death camp. They have the look.

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  22. mylabs5 says:

    This bone was thrown out as a trial balloon to see how the public reacts. Notice the chain of possession and release. IG-FBI-CNN. That means that there is a mole in the IG office who leaked to the stiffs at CNN OR Lindsey Gramnesty did so to placate Sean Hannity who ate his rear yesterday. But if that is true then it also means that Gramnesty is part of this attempted take down of Trump. Classic suck up to the target til you stick in the shiv. But if it’s the mole in the IG then given the failure of the Schiff Show it was meant to demoralize. All dung no pony..
    They want us to give up.

    LOL….

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    • Tess from Philly says:

      Isn’t it more likely that the leak came from one of CNN’s own employees, i.e. the coup plotters themselves? They’ve got the report and they’re very likely all looking for a fall guy.

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      • mylabs5 says:

        No, they are not at the genesis of the IG leak. Only the IG’s office would know this info. The CNN office of the FBI just reported what they were given by someone in the IG’s office through the FBI or DOJ (an additional dot that could be connected).

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    • dleach02 says:

      maybe IG but also remember that the principles named in the document all got a chance to review the document so they may be leakers as well

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      • mylabs5 says:

        Those who reviewed the doc were not privy to any actions that the IG was taking. They only get to read and respond to where they are mentioned.
        No, this came out of the IG’s office which has been silent til now. That begs the question. Why now right when Hannity is pounding Gramnesty and the Schiff Show has failed.
        Placation. It’s the old shell game.

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      • jnr2d2 says:

        Their lawyers. Everything is hidden thru attorneys. As well as “national security.”

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  23. 6x47 says:

    Ahh … yes. Mistakes were made, nothing to see here, move along. We fired one low-level worker bee.

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    • hokkoda says:

      I think the number now is over 20 people fired, demoted, or pushed out. Also, this guy got a new job, but is still under a criminal investigation, which means they didn’t just show him the door and drop it.

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      • jx says:

        0 prosecutions

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        • hokkoda says:

          I was simply pointing out that there’s has been a purge going on for a couple of years now. That is not insignificant. You would prefer the Obama solution where they all keep their jobs and keep doing what they’re doing?

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          • jx says:

            I prefer prosecutions. Firings and whitewash doesn’t cut it.

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            • hokkoda says:

              I hear ya, but they have to push these people out in order to cut them off to the information flow internally. The Durham thing forced them even further underground since they have to assume some level of surveillance.

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              • jx says:

                I hope so.

                At the current rate the deranged Democrats and weaselly RINOs will impeach and then too late – “well whaddya know, there really was a coup conspiracy. Too bad huh huh huh huh.” Scummers.

                Time is not unlimited. Even without any impeachment threat, there are statutes of limitation. We haven’t got through the DOJ corruption, we’ll never get to Clinton’s crimes… crimes the DOJ crimes protected.

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    • Yy4u says:

      To quote a reporter on Fox —forget her name –talking about Benghazi: Mistakes were made but nobody made them”

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  24. JIM COMEY IS A WEASEL_DOUG says:

    Leave aside for a moment the obvious corruption and abuse of power this exposes.

    The fact of the edited news articles and THEIR PURPOSE!!!, and the players involved (Devlin Barrett), (according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity) demonstrates perfectly the coordination between the CORRUPT institution and the CORRUPT media.

    FUBAR

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  25. In the Land Of Poz says:

    Need Gofundme’s for Sundance/CTH, not McCabe & Strzok.

    Notice how much of the key “action” involves couples:

    Clinesmith/Moyer
    Strzok/Page
    Strzok/Hodgman (in turn exploiting Byrne/Butina)
    Bruce Ohr/ Nellie Ohr

    In DC, “let’s just be friends” means “I don’t trust you enough to conspire”.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      There is a “Donate” button at the top of every page here. Go Fund Me is subject to the whims of the Go Fund Me site owners, who delete campaigns at will.

      Do the “couples” just mean another mark in their book they keep on each other?
      How do they find time to do any work?

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  26. Clara says:

    My apologies because I don’t have time to read all the excellent comments today; somebody might already have said this. But I just want to note what we were told about the review process: The principals were permitted to go into a scif and review only those sections of the report in which they are featured. I understood this to mean, places in the report where they are quoted or they are providing explanations of what happened. I did not even interpret this to mean that they were able to read the conclusions from Horowitz about what he found regarding their involvement, let alone the conclusions of the entire report. It is a virtual certainty that, to date, no one outside the Horowitz team has seen the entire report. Thus, unless this leak to the Wash Post came from someone on Horowitz’ team, it is highly unlikely that whoever leaked this to the Post actually knows much at all about what’s in the report or what Horowitz concluded. The principals, we can assume, have each only seen a fraction of the report. Therefore, it is highly likely that the bit in the Wash Post about how the reported fraud that was perpetrated by this particular lawyer did not affect the bottom-line conclusions of the FISA, and that it was all still perfectly legal, is likely the same, unsupported spin that we’ve been reading from the small-group leakers for the past two years. We will just have to wait and see.

    Overall, I have not been impressed with Horowitz. He has whitewashed a lot of obvious criminal activity. But in this case he knows that the very same material he’s looking at will also be reviewed by Durham. That might make it more difficult for him to whitewash. At least that is what I’m praying.

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    • Lt Col Covfefe999 says:

      it is highly unlikely that whoever leaked this to the Post actually knows much at all about what’s in the report or what Horowitz concluded.

      I agree. I had also read the info about who was allowed to review what. It was limited. The person who leaked this bit of info to CNN and WaPo may not have (probably hasn’t?) seen the entire report.

      Oooh I can hardly wait for that thing to come out. In the mean time I am now re-reading the 2018 report (thanks gsonFIT for your comments which led me back to it).

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  27. Lt Col Covfefe999 says:

    I’ve been rereading the 2018 IG report, especially the messages from Clinesmith to others. Look what one of those other people said about us the day after the election:

    FBI Employee: “All the people who were initially voting for her would not, and were not, swayed by any decision the FBI put out. Trump’s supporters are all poor to middle class, uneducated, lazy POS that think he will magically grant them jobs for doing nothing. They probably didn’t watch the debates, aren’t fully educated on his policies, and are stupidly wrapped up in his unmerited enthusiasm.” (page 446 of https://www.justice.gov/file/1071991/download)

    The disdain! For half the country!

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    • Lt Col Covfefe999 says:

      The fact that the US economy is booming must irk these losers even more than Trump merely winning the election. 🙂

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    • Bogeyfree says:

      And Horowitz found no bias and Wray agreed.

      Tells you everything you need to know about IG Report #2 IMO.

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      • Bill says:

        Bogeyfree, it’s mind boggling how Whore-witz and Wraynman could say with a straight face that there is now bias. UN – F’ing – Believable.

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        • ann says:

          Because they do not fear us.

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          • Bill says:

            Absolutely right, Ann. No fear, and most certainly no respect.

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            • ann says:

              We have options to push the necessary changes.
              Public turnout at PDT rallies is the only venue that projects power.
              Resist Weak spot is their stupid habit of demonising dissent.
              Our polarised politics are miserable, plays right into party brokers gridlock.

              A Common Sense Movement, a chosen regular weekend turnout at federal courthouses. Across the country.
              Dignified. Balloons, nonpartisan.
              . .
              W a specific Demand List.

              Plenty of reasonable points:
              Ex propping up China’s fouling of the environment!
              Or horrible impact on water & environment caused by flood of migrants.

              Or the unreason of demanding free health care for unlimited population

              Or: their sell out of younger Americans future

              Etc etc.

              Action: end PACs. Put modest , Cap on individual political campaign funds, break up the monopolistic party control by defunding their treasure chests & foreign , transnational donations.

              Just ideas.
              .

              d polarising stupidity of demonising pro MAGA
              visual presence

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    • Tl Howard says:

      We deserve to know that person’s name. He/she is paid with our money.

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    • deeperinfo says:

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  28. Right to reply says:

    Interesting how all the scum end up at Boeing, including dear old Nikki!

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    • youme says:

      Boeing has become a wealth machine for it’s management and board. Building planes is secondary.

      “Over the 3-year period 2016 through 2018, Boeing employees received newly issued stock that’s worth $4.9 billion today. There was another $3.5 billion worth of stock issued to the Boeing pension plan, which was immediately sold into the open market.
      n`bhn nnn . ‘ a result, $5.4 billion of the $25.2 billion in stock buybacks that you thought was a “return of capital” over that span was actually a USE OF CASH to either buy shares directly from management or mask the dilution of non-management shareholders.

      In 2017 alone, the one good stock-performance year Boeing has had in a decade, $3.8 billion in buyback activity went to sterilize new stock issuance. That’s 29% of cashflow from operations for the year. The board totally reconfigured their stock compensation system to accomplish that. You know, the board that Muilenburg took over the year before.”

      https://www.epsilontheory.com/when-was-i-radicalized-boeing-edition/

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  29. Gymcy81 says:

    With all of the employees within the federal bureacracy,
    one might think that are (accountable) supervisors that have duties…including supervising and / or guiding the assignments.

    [or maybe that are a lot of people so that a plethora of supervisors (appointees, politicians) can have others, pawns, to blame, to take the hit…for cover in their chess games?]

    DC, has its foggy bottom and the proverbial swamp…

    What really was the cause of Flight 800 deaths?
    DC investigated….or was it obfuscated (at a high cost to cover truth)…

    “Prove all things,
    hold fast to that which is good.”
    Thess. 5:21

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  30. Everett Miller says:

    grasping at straws–hoping still–I haven’t seen any reporting or analysis that blocks the notion that these low-level actors are, or will be, part of a bottom up chain of turned/guilty-pleading witnesses that form the rungs of a prosecutorial ladder to bring their bosses to Justice. If Barr is actually doing his job, this is how it should work. The “leak” is explained by the desire to get out in front of the coming storm. . . . . .

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  31. Bogeyfree says:

    What I don’t get is where is it written that Durham must wait until after the IG Report comes out to indict anyone, assuming they are going to???

    By doing so isn’t Barr and Durham giving away almost 3 weeks of time to get the truth out to the public?

    If Horowitz testifies on the 11th and the House is in session only until the 15th isn’t Barr and Durham by delaying in essence guaranteeing PT will be branded for life as an impeached President??

    Why allow that when these guys IMO have to know he is 100% innocent.

    It’s like the the rope is being allowed to put around the neck with the only thing left, is pulling the lever in the Senate.

    I just don’t get why indictments and the truth from Durham has to wait.

    Very, very frustrating!!!

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  32. Kleen says:

    When relying on WP, CNN etc
    Remember this:

    Despite such fiascos, Soviet rulers have shown no disposition to abandon organized deception as an instrument of national policy. The practice is another legacy of Lenin embedded in Soviet custom. Just as Lenin admired terror, he extolled the ‘poisoned weapons’ of deceit, duplicity, and slander. He wrote:

    ‘The communists must be prepared to make every sacrifice and, if necessary, even resort to all sorts of cunning schemes and stratagems, to employ illegal methods, to evade and conceal the truth… The practical part of communist policy is to incite one [enemy] against another… We communists must use one country against another.. My words were calculated to evoke hatred, aversion, and contempt… not to convince but to break up the ranks of the opponent, not to correct an opponent’s mistake but to destroy him, to wipe his organization off the face of the earth. This formulation is indeed of such a nature as to evoke the worst thoughts, the worst suspicions about the opponent.’

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  33. k4jjj says:

    Is one, low-level FBI attorney going to accept a felony rap on behalf of all those above him? This man did not go rogue and act alone.

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    • Jim in TN says:

      That scif security guard tried that. It got him off of the leaking charge, but not the lying charge. I suppose Warner and Burr never directly ordered him to lie, so he couldn’t take them down for accusations of his lying.

      Funny how the big crimes that involve higher ups all disappear, but the little crimes that don’t involve higher ups and are irrelevant in the big picture don’t disappear.

      And that is being pollyannish about this guy actually being prosecuted. For all we know, he has joined the eminent ranks of Comey and McCabe, referred for prosecution but not indicted. Maybe MSNBC has a job for him?

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  34. Kleen says:

    WP, CNN, MSNDNC etc are disinformation agents.

    Their goal is to spread false narratives to achieve their goal.

    This leak and more to come will be launched to control the narrative. They will carefully released and carefully worded.

    REPLACE KGB/Soviet Union with swamp:

    “As practised by the KGB, disinformation is far more complex than the definition implies. It entails the distribution of forged or fabricated documents, letters, manuscripts, and photographs; the propagation of misleading or malicious rumours and erroneous intelligence by agents; the duping of visitors to the Soviet Union; and physical acts committed for psychological effect. These techniques are used variously to influence policies of foreign governments, disrupt relations among other nations, undermine the confidence of foreign populations in their leaders and institutions, discredit individuals and groups opposed to Soviet policies, deceive foreigners about Soviet intentions and conditions within the Soviet Union, and, at times, simply to obscure depredations and blunders of the KGB itself.

    Disinformation operations differ from conventional propaganda in that their true origins are concealed, and they usually involve some form of clandestine action.

    Swamp stole KGB’s tactics.

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  35. jeans2nd says:

    Shades of Benghazi. Four dead? Pffft. Blame it on the low-level guy in the auditor’s office.
    All the higher-ups skate.

    No matter. We keep working. Thank you for giving us more ammunition with which to fight.
    After all is said and done, this is an information war. And we will win. Again.

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  36. mimbler says:

    […] “That conduct did not alter Horowitz’s finding that the surveillance application of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page had a proper legal and factual basis, the officials said”

    If this is truly a statement by Horowitz, I won’t bother waiting for his report. It is absolute nonsense to state that a warrant based on an application that claimed something that didn’t exist is “proper legal and factual basis”

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    • Tl Howard says:

      Unless Horowitz’s staff leaked, they wouldn’t KNOW what Horowitz’s conclusions are.

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      • mimbler says:

        Perhaps, although the principals involved are allowed to read the portions of the report dealing with them, so it is possible the actual perps would know what his conclusions are regarding themselves.

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        • jx says:

          Interesting that Barr had report in Sep but principal review wasn’t until Nov.

          S-l-o-w w-a-l-k-i-n-g

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          • deeperinfo says:

            Either:
            A whitewash shroud with pious wailing and a wayward child scolded loudly,
            OR
            A Whitehouse BBQ

            Yes, delayed, again, and you know the IG operates in shackles and only with permission of the guilty cult, but the difference this round is the IG is preliminary to Durham.
            We can’t know today if Durham is actually gathering or suppressing evidence to support the now-criminal investigation or will bring forth indictments (the only thing that matters in all this), but what I read dripping out in blogs shows that the tea leaves are starting to settle and a beneficial future will likely be revealed. My guesstimate.
            Until then we are just looking at swirling murky water and wondering about the future we can’t know yet. Fun to speculate and game it out but only mental gymnastics till then.
            Enjoy the show!!!

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  37. paris23 says:

    Didn’t most of these criminals come from Yale? Maybe Yale should be shut down, too, along with the FBI and most of the other spook agencies. These yuppies are a menace to the world.

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  38. James F says:

    Use your heads.

    What is the goal of the establishment media’s coordinated selective leaking?

    Don’t play into their hands by getting upset,whining and giving up all hope.

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  39. NotAgain says:

    SERIOUSLY? 2018
    https://www.redstate.com/alexparker/2018/06/22/sally-moyer-fbi-identified/
    “The IG report discovered no specific investigative tampering in the Hillary examination.”
    So they did not tampered the Hillary examinations? LOL Yeah right. The entire crooked world is trying to save her monster аss.

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  40. Putting On Its Shoes says:

    Well, goodbye republic.

    If Horowitz finds the Page FISA app was properly predicated, that’s the ballgame in terms of the report’s willingness to hold people accountable, and to end this madness.

    My only hope is that because it is from the Washington Post, it is not a true statement. Not encouraging in the least.

    Also, the lack of urgency to get the report out ahead of impeachment is really playing along with the resistance too.

    I think we are screwed.

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    • James F says:

      Screwed? Demoralized by the media? It’s obvious you are but who is this “we”?

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      • Putting On Its Shoes says:

        I did qualify my statement that I don’t trust the WaPo. But justice delayed is justice denied, and justice has already been delayed unreasonably. I am demoralized by people and our inability to overcome our inherent malignancies as societies.

        Look, I want justice. The history of the world is that things have to go really bad before the forces of good mobilize to move us back toward decency, and then the cycle begins again.

        Tough times create tough people
        Tough people create good times
        Good times create soft people
        Soft people create tough times
        ……..

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        • IGiveUp says:

          “The history of the world is that things have to go really bad before the forces of good mobilize to move us back toward decency, and then the cycle begins again.

          Tough times create tough people
          Tough people create good times
          Good times create soft people
          Soft people create tough times
          ……..”

          I agree completely. And because people are born and live their lives in a different stage than previous generations experienced, one’s view of how the world is and works is skewed. It’s always and forever a cycle. That also explains how,as a species, we seem to progress so slowly. Because there’s always that one step back.

          Life wouldn’t be such a shock if we could see it more clearly in its totality. There really is nothing new under the sun–just seemingly new to us.

          Trump really is a breath of fresh air and his optimism is contagious. That’s new to us too but I bet not new in history. I wonder who Trump was before.

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  41. Mike says:

    So the “fact checking” of a FISA application consists merely of verifying the ‘particulars are attributed correctly to who made the claims and NOT as to the TRUTHFULNESS of those claims? That is legalized lying and Legalized Treason my friends. Completely legalized by lawyers so they cannot be held responsible for ANY crime.

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  42. jus wundrin says:

    What are the motivations behind this leak for propaganda? To set the stage for a nothing burger with half a pickle? That Kevin Clinesmith gets a little jail time, and sally moyer takes a well needed shower?

    Or, to downplay and get ahead of something more serious?

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  43. Zorro says:

    So the FISA story is no longer a big deal at the CNN web site. It seems to be missing from the main page.

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  44. porkyspen says:

    Geez, did Sally Moyer ever wash her hair??? 🙂

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  45. gsonFIT says:

    When you find yourself getting impatient about Russia-gate justice, consider how our great President Donald Trump must feel, and be thankful we have him!

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  46. InAz says:

    Underlings getting thrown under the bus….driven by the corrupt IG’s

    The Coup leaders are riding in the bus……. laughing.

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  47. Nigella says:

    So another “leak” and this is supposed to be fine how?

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  48. zimbalistjunior says:

    btw just to parse words, not that the news report should be taken at face value but
    a surveillance application having a ‘proper legal and factual basis’ does not mean that the FISA itself is legal.
    it could mean that while the basis for the application, namely, the national security concern associated with a potential agent for a foreign entity, is proper legally and factually,
    the actual nitty gritty details of the application were deficient (at the least) and fraudulent (at the highest)
    meaning not only could horowitz find that clinesmith altered facts, but he could also find that there were instances of omitting exculpatory details (ie Steele’s bias, Page’s past history as a CI etc), and providing misleading or even fraudulent facts.

    lets not jump off the cliff just yet and lets not run through the streets celebrating either.

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  49. Max Tadpol says:

    Cold ANGER. The dude is the scapegoat to whitewash this whole thing.

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  50. deeperinfo says:

    FISA application for Carter Page seems to be ‘presumed’.
    Could this be on Flynn FISA?
    Different meaning on ‘leaked’ conclusion about legality?
    How could we know target?

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