Inspector General Horowitz Releases IG Report Critical of FBI Confidential Human Resources Program…

Dept of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz publishes a report critical of how the FBI evaluates their Confidential Human Sources (CHSs) [Full pdf below].  This is the phase-1 OIG report the “Trust the Plan” crowd said was going to be explosive. It ain’t.

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Report Below

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341 Responses to Inspector General Horowitz Releases IG Report Critical of FBI Confidential Human Resources Program…

  1. litlbit2 says:

    So come Thanksgiving 2019 at the Horowitz dinner table I would think to ask, Dad or Grandpa are you going to wear that empty suit for ever?

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  2. Jackson says:

    The “Trust the Plan” groupies didn’t start with Horowitz, they arrived there after the half-dozen earlier theories there were promoting failed spectacularly. We all remember “Trust Sessions”, there was also the “Mueller is a secret white-hat” theory which many of them promoted. Simultaneously they had the moronic “count of open Federal indictments” – begun at some arbitrary date, which grew continuously and which, they assured us, meant that some day soon U.S. Marines, possibly accompanied by U.S. Marshals would be arresting 30,000 (or 60,000, or whatever) deep state operatives, who would then be whisked to GITMO for quick military tribunals. and justice.

    Q is a fraud. People who still believe in him are Q-tards. We should feel sorry for them. If one can’t see by now that it’s all a giant confidence game there really isn’t much hope for you.

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    • A cabal of deep state CIA-organized operatives and stealth trolls put out these ‘trust the plan’ narratives as disinformation to TAKE THE HEAT OFF of current scandal revelations (until it is too late to do anything about them) and also to provide perpetual red herring comfort to the incurable but gullible optimists out there. In short, the old ‘frog in a slowly heating kettle’ tactic.

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    • Spooky says:

      Exactly! Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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    • rightmover says:

      But let’s not forget, for awhile the “Trust Sessions” exhortations were coming from HERE, too.

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      • TexasDude says:

        Yep, even Sundance

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        • Peoria Jones says:

          And who are you, TexasDude (and rightmover)? Unknown usernames to me, but you suddenly appear with insight as to not only what some Treepers were posting back then, but also Sundance?

          I won’t attempt to defend SD against your accusations, as he can do so better than I – if his time is worth it. But I will say, you clearly understand Jack Schitt about what Sundance has written.

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          • TarsTarkas says:

            Sorry to disagree, but Sundance has put out theories regarding Mueller and others that were later proven to be wrong. Nothing wrong with being mistaken, Sundance is human just like us. Sundance’s right-to-wrong ratio is way north of 90% and has been outstanding especially about the economic consequences of NAFTA and MAGA that almost all professional economists have been wrong about (and are still wrong).

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            • Peoria Jones says:

              I guess you could say that Sundance has posited some theories, but they have been amended as quickly as new info arises. His positions have been fluid. It’s why this site keeps on top.

              If you take a snippet of time on this site, it will leave you behind. It can be frustrating, as one must almost be an addict of CTH to discern the nuances in change of direction.

              Absent of constant digestion, it is possible one may mistake transient CTH theory as permanent position. This would be a mistake. News at CTH does not have a direction – it moves along where the truth takes it.

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            • RLTW says:

              Whether SD is a a man or a woman or a group of people I know not. I visit this site because the analysis of open source intelligence is second to none. It is usually very close to what is really going on but has been hidden by the guv’s ability to “classify” ie cover up.

              SD’s initial optimistic assessment of Mueller and Sessions was dead wrong which leads me to believe SD is not from the
              Fedgov.

              This is completely understandable. Anyone who has been paying attention understands at this point that the FBI and DOJ are utterly and systematically corrupt. What no one in the general citizenry could possibly comprehend is that the DOJ IG is the most corrupt branch of the entire cabal.

              Having been badly burned in the past, SD is waking up to how bad it really is.

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              • Deb says:

                Sundance wasn’t “dead wrong.” He was cautiously optimistic based on the informations t hand. This optimism faded as new information and events came to light.

                In other words, Sundance is a reasonable person who analyzes the data and comes to the best conclusions possible. He then updates these conclusions when new data arises.

                As someone who participated in the Sessions debates at the time, I can tell you the only people who were adamant they were correct were the anti-Sessions side.

                Sundance stopped tolerating Q talk on this site because he is a realist who deals with data and evidence, not conjecture and conspiracy theories.

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                • Peoria Jones says:

                  That’s how I see it too, Deb. SD sometimes puts forth likely scenarios, backed up with facts. When the facts change, the analysis changes. I don’t recall any “predictions” stated as gospel.

                  Now, there is often a tone of positivity or negativity in the articles – and that might bother some, depending on their outlook – but again, that’s not a prediction.

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          • rororojo says:

            Better than me. But I digress.

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            • Peoria Jones says:

              “Than me” is grammatically proper when “than” is used as a preposition. When used as a conjunction, however (as I did), “than I” is grammatically correct.

              When adding the dropped verb, my sentence would read as follows:

              “I won’t attempt to defend SD against your accusations, as he can do so better than I CAN – if his time is worth it.”

              I wouldn’t object to having my grammar corrected if I were wrong, but in this case I wasn’t. 😉

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          • Austin Holdout says:

            We’re all feeling our way in the dark through the information, disinformation and (mostly) lack of information about what went on and what’s still going on in back rooms around the swamp and the world. We all know that we’re all trying to piece together theories that make sense as new info becomes available.

            To criticize ANYONE here about how we assessed the situation at any snapshot in time is dumb. We should all be grateful for a forum where we can brainstorm and commiserate with each, as well as for the summaries, timelines, analysis and archive
            of information available on this site, for those of us who don’t have the time or ability to do this work ourselves. Anyone who isn’t grateful for these things AVAILABLE TO ALL FOR FREE should find sites more consistent with their standards instead of criticizing someone else’s hard work and sacrifice.

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    • Zy says:

      But what about Stealth Matt Whitaker?

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    • kettle corn says:

      The only tards out there, are the people who keep electing the same MOFO’s to Congress for decades, we are all to blame. Without term limits, this country is doomed, if it isn’t already.

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      • shirley49 says:

        If the Republicans had gotten their butts out to vote during the mid term we would not be in this mess with the crazy dems because they would not have been sitting in charge of Congress. After everything Trump goes through with these Dem reprobates and Americans cannot take 10 min to vote.

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    • ChampagneReady says:

      Q is a farce–that I agree with. I don’t agree that the 500 page “phone book” report is going to be a farce. And I believe that Horowitz and Durham have been coordinating on all the massive evidence that will be the basis for upcoming indictments that is going to rock Washington.

      I think we are going to find there have been some very cooperative folks who have rolled over on the main players to avoid prison sentences or to at least not be charged as accomplices in the conspiracy. But what they have provided Durham is all he needs to get a grand jury even in DC to be forced to hand down indictments.

      Horowitz is setting the table for Durham. That’s my belief and I’m sticking to it.

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    • NurseSusy says:

      Mueller turned out to be a white, maybe gray hat. His report and live testimony exploded all the Russian Collusion accusations to smithereens. The Dems & MSM quickly dropped Russia! Russia! Russia! after the report and Meuller hearing. Maybe it was just a coincidence that the Mueller investigation turned out to be a “nothing burger.”

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  3. Redhotrugmama says:

    If this is any indication of the next IG report our country is done. Also Barr is an empty suit..

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    • johnny says:

      exactly, I think were being had, bar is a bush operative and was put there to take the ripple out of it all with minuscule accusations that sound important but are meaningless. Like the 360 violations of emails in the clinton camp, Violations?, yet no one is charged.

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  4. mkelter says:

    This is NOT the IG report on FISA abuse. This is something else. Calm down!

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    • frances says:

      Thank you, it seemed awfully brief to be the report. Do you know when the actual report will be released?

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      • Cynthia says:

        I read that Horowitz is going to testify to Congress about the FISA report on December 11th.

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      • Mike Kelter says:

        I don’t know. It better be ready by December 11, 2019, which is the date Horowitz is scheduled to appear before Senator Graham’s committee. My guess is the report will be out in advance of that date, but who knows. I’ve been waiting to see the report for over 6 months now.

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      • Mike Kelter says:

        I don’t know. It better be ready by December 11, 2019, which is the date Horowitz is scheduled to appear before Senator Graham’s committee. My guess is the report will be out in advance of that date, but who knows. I’ve been waiting to see the report for over 6 months now.

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  5. leftnomore says:

    All I know is not one criminal charge has yet to land. What are we hoping for here, the players are all government employees. You think they’ll attack their own source of income? They all work and play together. Nothing’s coming, all such news stories are ratings hoaxes.

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  6. Dan Patterson says:

    I do so enjoy basking in the broth of ITOLDYOUSO brimming with extra savory YOUAREALLSHEEP spices and IFYOUDONTFIGHTTHEYWILLWIN goodness!!1!

    It is 1935 and We are Europe.

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  7. big jim says:

    dear god . . . . No . . . .NO . . .
    a STRONG EMPHASIS . . .

    theyve placed a STRONG EMPHASIS ON GUIDE lines . . . .

    ohhh the humanity . . . .

    how will corruption ever survive this barbaric overreach of torturous punishment ! !

    please let it not be followed with the death nail of DISAPPPROVAL . . . .

    im overcome with a feeling of faint. . .

    i simply must recline on the duvais.
    Someone get the salts . . .
    i cant go on

    Good Bye Cruel World . . .

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  8. Heika says:

    Ha ha ha… ‘The FBI agreed with all of our recommendations and agreed to improve its management and oversight over this important program”.

    OH THANK GOD THAT WAS SORTED OUT!! (sarc)

    Thats it folks! (smiling bugs bunnys face eating a carrot blasts onto screen inside Warner Bros circle)

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    • trialbytruth says:

      I don’t understand why anyone is suprized by this. This is exactly what an IG is suppose to do.

      The IGs job is to identify the problem and offer guidance on how to address the problem administratively. If more is needed that is up to Congress to inact statute or DOJ to follow up with criminal cases as DOJ guidelines apply.

      From an organizational standpoint criminalizing bad decisions or bad interpretation of guidelines is suicide. It is not going to happen nor should we as rational folks assume it would or should.

      These are systematic problems we are reacting to the same system the IG is and must measure the behavior by.

      Want change, change or burn down the system. Don’t expect an IG to do it that’s way outside his job description

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    • Jederman says:

      Until we have another obama type in the WH.

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  9. Rex says:

    “Trust Sessions, Trust the Plan….”

    When Weissmanass kicked in Manafort’s door I knew then it was all BS.

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  10. Heika says:

    Horowitz’s calming fireside chat.

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  11. Dan Patterson says:

    LEO, DA, Justice, all of that are all in one pot. And that pot is a stew of tyranny that is no friend of the Constitution and no friend of you, citizen!
    There may be some exceptions, local judges, local cops, local deputies. But they are exceptions. No Bill of Rights protection for the most part; search yootoob for hours that evidence. LEO will be the first to betray us in the name of “order” when the shtf. They are already power-drunk paramilitary organizations for the most part and it is a short step to confiscation of property and enforcement of “policy” instead of law.
    The federal version is rotten. Rotten.
    As the famous interwebz meme goes: “George Washington would be stacking bodies by now”.
    And that is the straight sh*t.

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  12. Heika says:

    Did you like the groovy upbeat music? That really got me in the mood, I have to admit, I was feeling totally happy that these very important people have spent all this time and money working out that Christopher Steele was a naughty boy, but all you need to know is that ‘some folks’ in the FBI were a bit misguided. I just know that Wray is now going to have to add more chairs in his ‘retraining therapy room’ so this will all be okay next time.

    Aside from that, wasn’t there a deadline for the FBI to decide on a conviction or not of Andy McCabe?

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    • WRB says:

      Apparently there is an “on-going investigation,” and it must involve a lot more than McCabe. Anyway, the gov’t is asking the judge not to release the McCabe info as it will harm their on-going work.

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  13. JAS says:

    I remember a few years back when all the Republican presidential candidates were starting to line up and Sundance penned a post about what it would take to turn the country around.

    He used an allegory with the Statue of Liberty representing the USA. Lady Liberty had fallen into a state of abandon and disrepair, falling apart at the seams. The gist of it was that there were two options, Put bondo and paint on it or tear it to the ground and build it back up.

    The second option, in terms of the nation, was of extreme consequence.

    I wish I could find that post. It would make a great read just about now…..

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  14. owtolunch says:

    So folks – The FBI is not putting together complete evidence files on cases they are bringing… failing to put together a complete file makes cases that used CHS – confidential human sources suspect and gives a basis for those legal cases to appeal court decisions… because of malfeasance by the FBI in their investigations (leaving out Brady material) and evidence they use in the prosecution of crimes… The FBI is corrupt…

    By not including this information in the files purposely… this is falsifying the legal record… either by errors of omission or commission — deliberately… I will bet no language along these lines is in the report …. a close read with this in mind is warranted.

    How many FBI agents knowingly did not include proper information in the files? Should they retain their jobs? Should they be charged with crimes?

    Have people been convicted of crimes and sent to prison on false or incomplete evidence? Who is going to chase down all these cases to determine if they need to go back to court for judicial review? Who is going to pay for this?

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  15. joan p calhoun says:

    Well, if enough of us quit paying taxes, that might get their attention.

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    • TPW says:

      There is always that…could you imagine the panic if everyone pulled all their money out of all banks….investments,,,,,,bought only necessities ……paid with cash only.

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  16. Beau Geste says:

    Is it OK to use an “asset” to fabricate a sworn claim the the FISC court that the “asset” is a russian agent? Or, use an “asset” to plant $10,000 of a US Citizen to try to entrap them with $10,000 upon entering the US? I must have missed that part of the Report.

    Where is the part in the report about recommended discipline and punishment for refusing, ignoring or resisting the old, or the new requirements?
    “What is the official downside of completely ignoring or refusing the regs?”. Nothing!!!!

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  17. Horowitz reminds me of a boss I had in municipal government who later became city manager. Never will do anything controversial, passive aggressive, no balls…everyone loves him, though…nothing is going to come out of his investigations…on purpose…bet he becomes President next.

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  18. Brian says:

    It would seem that Donald Trump has but one option; allow FISA to expire.

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  19. gcharlie says:

    No worries, everything, essentially, has already been resolved. And with just another meeting or two, the baby-sized loose ends will change from “mostly resolved” to “utterly resolved.” I feel so relieved that everything is in control and the present employees of the FBI/CIA, etc, follow the rules as they see fit. CIA motto: “We shall know the truth about you, and our truth will rule the day.” FBI motto: Fidelity to our institution; Bravery to defend it; Integrity as we define it.”

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  20. kittylenoir says:

    What did we expect? The IG’s report on the FBI bias (but that the bias didn’t effect their work product) should have clued us in on how this report was going to play out.

    Let’s hope the rest of the report (another 440 pages?) isn’t as weak as part one.

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    • Well, there you go again. (The line called out to me…)

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    • steph_gray says:

      Yawn.

      How many people here have not yet caught on that this is not the same report? Plenty seem to be once again running around with hair on fire and assuming it’s the primary one we’re waiting for.

      Joe D mentioned several times that there would be a smaller leaner report first.

      This is not the phone book. It does not appear to be that it is any part of the phone book either.

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  21. Lawrence says:

    Almost 20 years ago I was reading letters and docs from the founding generation. can’t find it now but I think it was Charles Carroll who wrote a letter back to England. In it, he envisioned that freedom would prevail in America for many years (generations?). But eventually people would loose their faith and courage and America would descend into the same kind of political corruption that prevailed in England. With the loss of faith and courage and the increase of corruption would come
    the inevitable loss of freedom.
    I began to see parallels to pre Nazi Germany – Germany prior to Hitler. And then Hitler’s Germany. Weak government by liberals , very biased media, decay of Christian moral values and a substitution of propaganda for truth. Huge national debt. Eventually , war on the Ten Commandments ( substitute relativity for objective moral truth ) – then medically supervised killing.
    All done with some kind of rationalization that this was for the “greater good”. It was the moral thing to do according to the mood of the time – it was made to seem so. made to seem so to enough to enable Hitler to almost succeed.
    I could feel the darkness closing in. But Trump’s election gave cause for temporary hope.
    Now I think the moral and political rot may just be too deep. Note the word ‘may’.
    But the issue, I think, is in doubt.

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  22. owtolunch says:

    No where in the report is there a discussion of the impact these failures have had upon the mission of the FBI or on any case being investigated or prosecuted. Nor is there any mention of any need to evaluate the impacts upon anything in the past…

    SO …

    If you got screwed because of the violations of controls you are shit out of luck…

    This is an abdication of the fundamental principles upon which we base our society. A complete break down of the rule of law….

    Meet with DOJ to coordinate with them — change the requirements in the DOJ Guidelines so the requirements go away and the FBI can keep doing what they were doing?

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  23. covfefe999 says:

    All of this abuse heaped on Horowitz for a report probably most didn’t even know about.

    It was an audit. Apparently it was launched back at the end of May 2018 (according to my searches). Sundance points out that there were some people (the “trust the plan” crowd) who thought this report would be a big deal.

    The fact that it’s not a big deal doesn’t warrant condemnation of Horowitz. Wait for the FISA report, judge Horowitz on that. It’s coming soon.

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  24. Mike in a Truck says:

    Why would H-Wits and his staff work themselves out of a job? Push back, delay, dink around. Billable hours at stake here, gotta keep the graveytrain flowin.

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  25. Publius S says:

    Suggests but does not prohibit using non FBI phone for contact with sources.
    No tech method to oversee the process and weak way behind on mgmt oversight.
    No wonder Strzok and Page were arrogant and clueless about use of own cellphones for texts and calls. Theres no oversight, no effective management for at risk sources, and see the curious case of the dog that did not bark- the red chinese honeypot/source who slept with her FBI handler for 18 years…

    Famous But Incompetent, again.
    Will anyone be held accountable? Bueller?

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  26. DeWalt says:

    Office of Official Spitballers.

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  27. Honestly, while this report is as dry as most such things always are, I do not think that it is uninteresting. The last three years of our newspaper headlines have been filled with things produced by “FBI confidential sources,” and this report shines a cold light of objective and impartial scrutiny upon the processes by which those “source” reports were developed. All of which, I think, will be grist for the mill as John Durham & Co. move forward. The conclusions reached by Horowitz in this and other reports can be cited directly as they develop their cases.

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  28. WES says:

    Interesting that SD didn’t bother to discuss what was in the report! Obviously a nothing burger!

    Suspect the next report will also be a nothing burger too!

    That can be the only reason for releasing the next IG report before renewing FISA!

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  29. Right to reply says:

    Trump has the power to declassify, and we should all be asking why he isn’t!

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    • JAS says:

      Not exactly. This is a “power to declassify” is a recurring statement on this site.

      Yes, POTUS has the authority to be read-in to all classified material. However, the decision to declassify prior classified material is always up to the ORIGINAL classifying
      authority. That is always a singular person. In the case that the original authority is deceased the person replacing said authority assumes the authority.

      In essence, POTUS can ask, but it is up to the original authority. Otherwise, everything POTUS wants declassified would already be so.

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      • hokkoda says:

        However, all functions in the executive branch are delegated authority derived from the President’s chief authority. The OADR is delegated from the POTUS. That’s why if POTUS says something “classified” in the clear, it is automatically declassified. He cannot be prosecuted for revealing classified because the President IS the ultimate OADR. If Trump wants something declassified, he can just look at, say, the CIA Director, and tell him he wants xyz report in full and unredacted. Trump can then post it on the WH home page if he wants, and there isn’t a damn thing the CIA – as employees of the POTUS – can do about it.

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        • JAS says:

          Not my understanding at all. The original CA can refuse.

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          • hokkoda says:

            Presidents generally defer to the originating CA. The POTUS wouldn’t necessarily know not be expected to know the technical details or national security implications of each and every classified fact across millions of pages of documents in many departments.

            But, he does possess the authority, and with this virtually unlimited authority comes the responsibility to use it wisely.

            However, declassify he can.

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      • hokkoda says:

        Also, the idea that the CA can overrule POTUS stems from the same bureaucratic mentality we see on display in these hearings. Or, the idea that the DOJ is a separate branch of government responsible for investigating the President and keeping him in line. They all work for POTUS though.

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  30. hawkins6 says:

    I’m surprised James Comey hasn’t yet mockingly tweeted a resounding victory about the brief IG report regarding the FBI’s repeated “failures to comply with A/G Guidelines for validation requirements of CHS’s and its own internal validation policies and procedures.”

    I don’t think the report is a total dud as it identifies many breaches of A/G Guidelines, policies and processes etc in the Comey led FBI. The final outcome of these “protocol breaches” will be decided later by A/G Barr and Durham who will determine if any of these breaches are serious violations that were part of a criminal conspiracy to depose or harm the President or not. Barr and Durham have to put the vast number of puzzle pieces of this conspiracy together and determine if it is in fact the worst scandal in US history requiring criminal indictments or just minor breaches of guidelines and policies requiring minor discipline like a lecture from Wray and a letter in their personnel file.

    Or no action whatsoever despite the harm their numerous abuses caused POTUS and his associates.

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  31. talk and talking but no action.so far no body get charge for their crime’s.

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  32. lemontree says:

    It’s an audit that the FBI failed. I don’t know that they broke laws, but they certainly didn’t follow procedure. This has nothing to do with the FISA report.

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  33. hokkoda says:

    idk, I think the head-fake here was deliberate. This report was announced in concert with the IG stating that the FISA report would not be out for several weeks or a month. The INTENT was to throw some pointless report out there to give the impression that the FISA report was so big “Hey, here’s this OTHER report you didn’t even know about that we had to spin off.” There’s no point to give that side-information, this Human Source audit is at-best a vague tangent, unless your intent is to deceive Grassley, the public, etc.

    My cynical side still gives low odds that the FISA report is going to say anything of consequence.

    This initial report seems to be laying down the excuse that nobody vetted Steele because everybody “trusted” the CHS program which suffers from poor training and under-staffing. Oh well, too bad so sad that Strzok and others used a bum source and nobody questioned it because of poor training and staffing in the Intelligence Division. FBI can then claim that they thought Steele was a good source because he hadn’t be “re-upped” as a validated CHS, so they put all that stuff in the FISA and didn’t lie to the FISC. There have been reports, for example, that several people in FBI/DOJ/State thought that Steele was unreliable. Since his CHS status wasn’t re-validated, nobody knew they should question the “dossier”…so it was included in the FISA warrant request…

    That is, of course, all a damn dirty lie, but you can see how they’ll spin it. They can do the same with Mifsud and Halper by claiming they just didn’t realize those guys were busted old sources with low reliability…because the Intelligence Division’s CHS program didn’t follow proper procedures.

    So the whole Trump/Russia thing was all just an honest mistake by well-intentioned FBI agents with long careers of dedicated public service and spotless performance reviews.

    I hope I’m wrong, but that OPM report on Strzok was quite telling. They didn’t just mildly understate his political bias, the “summary” of that other IG Report turns out to have been a total fabrication. A total lie. There was MASSIVE political bias of the sort never seen before.

    And the IG covered it all up.

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    • Bogeyfree says:

      But what about those AG Barr Speeches?

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      • hokkoda says:

        I just laugh when I see groups like FedSoc tromp around talking about their Constitutional Principles. Like we still have a Constitution that is actually followed.

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      • hokkoda says:

        You’ll notice that Barr did not spend ANY time in the FedSoc speech talking about the “resistance” that has become a cancer in the Federal Bureaucracy…

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        • steph_gray says:

          Are you talking about the speech a couple of days ago? To the Federalist Society?

          Because he definitely did mention the Resistance and took them to task mightily.

          Maybe you didn’t listen to the whole thing? It was long. I prepared a pot roast while listening.

          Here it is. Sundance’s title even says it was about that. Your comment baffles me.

          https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/11/15/ag-bill-barr-speaks-about-the-damage-to-our-nation-from-the-resistance/

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          • hokkoda says:

            I read it as I was watching it on YouTube on my 60” Sony, lol. No joke.

            He talks about the resistance in the context of Congress. And although he does have harsh words for them, Barr does not address (anywhere in his speech) problems within the Executive Branch.

            Granted, separation of powers was the theme. However, this problem with “the resistance” includes the crazy notion that all of these agencies like the AG, FBI Director, CIA, State, etc are somehow independent branches of government.

            Separation of powers also means that the President is 100% in charge of every Executive Branch Department and has the full authority to direct their actions and block their actions. They do not “work for the taxpayers” as they like to claim. It allows them to evade accountability by riding in their moral high horse. “The Taxpayers” cannot Fire James Comey…in fact he does not need to answer a single question from them that he doesn’t want to. In fact, he can lie to the taxpayers effortlessly…which is why he claims to work for them.

            Barr missed an opportunity to say that Congress and the Permanent Government are conspiring to eliminate the President ENTIRELY. That is the separation of powers issue he neglected to discuss.

            It is the core issue of this paperwork impeachment.

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    • dwpender says:

      I share your concerns that Horowitz might aid the conspirators’ efforts to shield themselves with the “oh well, we got bad information from what turned out to be shady, unreliable characters like Steele, Mifsud, Halper, Turk, Downer, etc., but we reasonably believed it.”

      I still entertain the hope that Durham (perhaps Horowitz as well) will recognize that the foregoing characters were not really “sources” at all, but AGENTS acting at the direction of FBI/CIA/IC in their various setup/entrapment and/or information laundering schemes.

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      • hokkoda says:

        The conspirators got to their positions by knowing how to make illegal things look like either legal things or “honest errors”. If this gets broken wide open, it’ll be because they got careless like Strzok with his text messages. Such was whatever is on Mifsud’s blackberry (if anything).

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    • R Daneel says:

      Nemawashi

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    • Austin Holdout says:

      Interesting idea that the CHS audit could have been released now to explain away some bad decisions that will be outlined in the FISA report. Ive been trying to think about why, with the FISA investigation seeming so much more critical, this thing was being written concurrently and released first. As Sundance always reminds us, all of these things are well orchestrated. Time will tell.

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  34. Randolph Scott says:

    Why are we allowing this horseshit to continue? The only way that the traitors, seditionists, and criminals in the FBI, CIA, and State Dept get arrested, prosecuted, jailed and executed is when ‘We the People’ stand up and do it ourselves. Everyone of these criminals work for the citizens of the United States, i.e. US.

    There is no one in this federal bureaucracy that is capable and willing to start any process necessary to punish the bastards in DC, NO One.

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  35. Ironclaw says:

    Is this the FISA report? I don’t think so, it’s only 63 pages whereas I had been hearing over 600 for the FISA report.

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  36. Atomic Hillbilly says:

    Horowitz’s OIG should be renamed OTW (office of tiddly winks)

    He’s a swamprat coverup artist.

    Barr and Durham better dig way deeper than that…

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  37. CNN_sucks says:

    Bureacracy is too big. PDJT reduce the federal gov in half. Let them swim llike the rest of us.

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  38. ezgoer says:

    The Horowitz OIG report on FISA is going to be the biggest nothing burger in the history of nothing burgers. You are very naive if you think the DOJ is going to call the DOJ and FBI corrupt or wrongdoers. Never gonna happen.

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    • hokkoda says:

      It is possible they will actually list out all the horrible things done and the laws broken by people who no longer work at those agencies. “Oh well, they no longer work here, nothing we can do, case closed.”

      I can totally see them saying “no problems here” while Durham pursues the ex-government employees for violations of the law. The issue is the announcement of the criminal probe. If they were going to sweep it under the rug, there is no reason to announce this or do it. None. So, something is up.

      Trump’s “I caught them all” comment, plus the total radio silence from Barr, DOJ, and virtually all of the known conspirators says a lot too.

      I’m inclined to agree with you, big picture, but something unusual seems to be happening here.

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      • mushroom says:

        How many do we need to realize it’s all a sham?
        Easy wrong over SUPER HARD right (needs total implosion)

        FBI Spy IG report…naw, FBI will clean it up
        Hillary Gate IG report…naw, not gonna indict.
        First FBI/DOJ IG report…naw, not gonna indict
        Comey IG report…naw, not gonna indict
        2017 FISC report…naw, nothing to see here
        2018 FISC report…naw, nothing to see here
        McCabe Grand Jury indictment?

        Stone, dropped the hammer
        Flynn, dropped the hammer
        Manafort, dropped the hammer, in solitary
        Rudy, Van Crackhead(see Flynn/Powell) assigned to FARA by Bill Barr

        Only solution is Trump 2020
        Vote all dirty incumbents out.

        And total house cleaning soon to follow.

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      • mushroom says:

        But I hope all the optimists are right.
        Would be fantastic surprise!

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  39. ChampagneReady says:

    I’m still going to trust Victoria Toensing and what her source told her. And I don’t think I’m going to be disappointed.

    I wouldn’t even be surprised if her source was Bill Barr because her and Joe both know him well and worked with him. And he would have trust in Victoria that she would not say who her source was. But whoever it is, it’s a very HIGHLY placed source. Victoria doesn’t do hyperbole.

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  40. Cathy M. says:

    I know 1st hand of some FBI Special Agents documenting & using Human Sources (CIs) who were black balled by other agencies for serious violations of the rules/ CI Agreements. All they cared about was making a case by any means necessary.

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  41. Cathy M. says:

    ” . . .FBI will continue to face challenges without adequate resources . . .”

    As always, the FBI screws up big time, Congress throws them more money & nothing changes.

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  42. individualright says:

    Can somebody show me where this IG report was part of the TRUST THE PLAN group? Never heard of this report before.

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  43. Austin Holdout says:

    So, apparently Horowitz has been doing this at the same time as the FISA report and decided to finish this one first? Does anyone else think this is a weird ordering of priorities? Makes me wonder what considerations and decisions were made about timing for release of the FISA report.

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  44. dallasdan says:

    SD:
    “This is the phase-1 OIG report the “Trust the Plan” crowd said was going to be explosive. It ain’t.”

    To the surprise of no one but the “Trust the Plan” crowd.

    SD is increasingly candid in his remarks regarding the charade being performed by Barr’s DOJ. IMO, the biggest disappointments for all patriots are yet, and sure, to come.

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  45. Austin Holdout says:

    One annoying aspect about this audit (and it will be annoying in the FISA report as well) is that the report includes the Trump era in the time frame the FBI was screwed up. However, we all know that if Trump has lifted one finger to clean up the FBI in the last 3 years it would have been An Impeachable Offense!!!! The left freaked out and claimed Obstruction!!!! Every time he even Tweeted about it.

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  46. Peter Noone says:

    A few simple points to make, to cut through the chatter:

    1. Q-tardism is cancer. Move beyond it. Move beyond people who can’t move beyond it. We face difficult times ahead, no matter what reports are released, no matter what happens to Trump’s administration. Even if he wins re-election, there are darker times ahead, and harder fights. Keep your mind in the game, resist demoralization, and don’t perpetuate it.

    2. Stop trying to make predictions either way. You’re just sucking your thumb, whether you’re an optimist or fatalist. You get nothing from it whether you’re right or wrong, and it always has a cost. It doesn’t change our options voting, and it doesn’t change our concerns beyond voting. The downside of prediction fever is always demoralization for our side, and plays into any psyops we’re subject to from the enemy. Talk about how to respond to facts, predictions are cancer.

    3. Be objective. This is not the FISA report; it’s possible that a lame pre-report is like sugar to take the bitterness out. Bureaucrats think this way when releasing something they’re going to take heat for. Even if they were going to tell some explosive truths, even if they detected public outrage was so explosive that they had to admit to something, they were going to minimize it and let it dribble out. This is Warren Commission and 9/11 commission time; they’ve been caught, so they’re deciding which truths to tell, and what other truths to hide behind the truths they choose to suffer damage from.

    4. Even if the FISA report was everything we dreamed of in terms of truth and accountability, it wouldn’t be the end of things. Nothing is going to suddenly repair the entire system, which has been overthrown in many objective respects, going back to events before WWI. Since the 1960s, our government and culture have been radically overthrown. Judges, Officers, career bureaucrats and politicians have deeply held beliefs antithetical to the Constitution, and have a deep-seated disdain for the American people. They have a deep seated disdain for Western culture, civilization, and values generally, especially the strain of libertarian values embodied by our Republic at its founding. This is a cold-civil-war set of circumstances we’re in now.

    (Yuri Bezmenov was right, look him up.)

    5. The more history you study, the more you see the seeds of the current crisis rooted further and further back. We’re watching large historical gears turning here. Anyone who thought these were superficial problems solved with an election face-lift here or there, didn’t have a clue. Now it’s time for people to really open their eyes to the crisis at hand. Even if things are disappointing with this report, if we’re good, it becomes a tool to wake people up and get them prepared to defend the Republic. There is lemonade in these lemons.

    6. See things for what they are, prepare yourself and your loved ones accordingly, don’t be surprised or demoralized by the system defending itself.

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    • sDee says:

      “”Judges, Officers, career bureaucrats and politicians have deeply held beliefs antithetical to the Constitution, and have a deep-seated disdain for the American people. They have a deep seated disdain for Western culture, civilization, and values””

      I do what I can to fight urbanization issues at the local level and am painfully aware of this dark network of ideologues that acts with dispatch from global to local.

      Vindman for example let down his guard in yesterday’s hearing when he referred to his “American chain of command’. He of course reports to a ‘higher'”one.

      They run barely camouflaged in the shadows…. deep, wide and pervasive. Their system acts like a swarm of red ants isolating, surrounding and destroying any well meaning creature that dares threaten their nest.

      While greed motivates many, their common bond is a moral and intellectual superiority over us, combined with a hatred of the basic principles of self governance, individual property rights and our inalienable rights derived from God.

      While I maintain hope and faith in God, I will not ignore that this cold civil war may turn hot if freemen are to survive.

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    • individualright says:

      so you trash Q and its followers and then you spout out Q’s theories. whatsupwiththat?

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    • Ned Zeppelin says:

      So in that vein of a problem that has long been in the making, I decided to pick up a book about Joe McCarthy with my newly opened eyes, and I am not surprised that in the early chapters it is clear that there really was a problem with Communist infiltration and the nascent Deep State at the time buried the story and smeared the messenger. Talk about a deep rooted problem.

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  47. DOJ employees will never prosecute each other. When has this ever happened? Doing so would ruin your career at the DOJ. Remember government employees always view Communism as job security.

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    • sDee says:

      That seems to be our situation. It is a criminal operation that has elevated itself above the law which it now writes, judges and enforces the law at its own will.

      How ever do we expect it to reform itself?

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  48. Cocoon says:

    So disappointed!
    It’s almost as if the Impeachment Inquiry was put forward to allow FBI and DOJ cover for their wrongdoings and invasion of privacy rights to tens of thousands per 2 FISA Court Judges.
    And the American people who were illegally surveilled are not informed and have no remedy! And the four contractors are who?
    The US citizen is ignored in these Departmental failures.
    And those who disobeyed Department Rules for protecting citizens rights are not held accountable?

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  49. mushroom says:

    Isikoff is still trying to save his farcical book, working with FBI insiders.
    Russia, Russia, Russia!
    https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-seeks-interview-with-cia-whistleblower-121637359
    TDS level infinity!

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  50. DonZ says:

    When the Rule of Law dies, the Law of the Jungle rules…

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