Incredible – FBI Blocking Release of Unredacted Text Messages Between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok…

…Every minute spent outraged at what Muller did yesterday, is one minute less that Bill Barr is being held accountable for what he is not doing today…

Judicial Watch is fighting for one of the more critical buckets of “declassified documents” from within Spygate that has never made sense.  This goes to the heart of a two-year-long contention: Why were the Page/Strzok text messages redacted in the first place?  Why are their unredacted text messages being protected?  Who benefits from this roadblock?

The FBI wants to wait until AFTER the 2020 election to release the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages?  Whiskey – Tango – Foxtrot !   Enough.  This alone should be like a million warning flares shooting skyward simultaneously for those who demand justice.

(Judicial Watch Link)

These are critical questions.  Actually, long-standing and unresolved questions that we have carried for two years.  On December 1st, 2017, the day after Michael Flynn signed a coerced guilty plea, the first batch of text messages between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok became public.   Who the hell released them?  Why? …and ultimately what national security issue exists that would require them to be redacted?

These are open, non-encrypted, messages – using government phones – between a DOJ lawyer assigned to former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok.  The content did not travel through protected and/or classified systems. So why were the text messages redacted when they were made public?

No-one has ever answered these questions.  I have more, but those basic questions are the starting point -that creates the foundation of suspicion- of a thoroughly corrupt CURRENT DOJ and FBI set of officials.  FBI Director Christopher Wray, Deputy FBI Director David Bowditch and FBI legal counsel Dana Boente {Go Deep} are at the epicenter of this specific issue.

Do not forget that HPSCI Ranking Member Devin Nunes has already stated publicly that FBI Director Wray and FBI Legal Counsel Dana Boente should face criminal referrals.

Why would those current FBI officials be fighting the public release of those messages?

What functional value was there to give AG Bill Barr declassification authority, if he is going to participate in allowing FBI officials to hide material that shouldn’t even be classified in the first place?

If this in-our-face position doesn’t scream of a cover-up, then nothing does.

We were already forced to accept the bitter pill of DOJ manipulation when DOJ officials, before Bill Barr, intentionally covered-up the openly corrupt behavior of the Senate Intelligence Committee and James Wolfe.  [Details Here]

A branch of the United States government (Legislative) was attempting a coup against the leader of another branch of government (Executive); by using planted and designated corrupt agents within the cabinet… (more)

Now we are supposed to just accept that there is some justifiable reason to hide the Page/Strzok text messages until after the 2020 presidential election?

Oh, hell to the NO !

On May 23rd, 2019, President Donald Trump gave U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr full authority to review and release all of the classified material hidden by the DOJ, FBI, State Department, CIA, FISA Court, and aggregate intelligence apparatus.  It’s been over 90 days…

 

 

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499 Responses to Incredible – FBI Blocking Release of Unredacted Text Messages Between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok…

  1. Sherri Young says:

    Arg. The thread starts here:

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    • Moe Grimm says:

      +1. The clete mooring the proverbial balloon is loosening more each day, no? Sooner or later the music will stop.

      Liked by 2 people

      • GenEarly says:

        I suspect Sooner rather than later, but then I have been expecting the music to stop for 10 years, and the band still plays on……
        Empires go but by bit, then All at once, like the former Soviet Union. No “Intelligence” Agency in the USA saw it coming.
        The Feral Gov. in the DC Swamp is just as Ignorant of the peasants out here in the boondocks as they were of the unlamentable Soviets.
        Not even to mention the universes wide Gap between Progs and Patriots, the music is definitely disjointed and distressed.

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    • Deplorable Incisor says:

      Only two reasons those text messages were redacted and they are part and parcel.
      They call out (likely by name or title) the individuals directing the coup and there is a statute of limitation that will run out just prior to their full release.

      The Dhims are running out the clock and the NeverTrumpers, RINOs, media and black hats in government are assisting them 100%. When the ball finally drops you will see the massive corruption and fraud (which we all know was going on) but no one will go to jail and those that still have their jobs will, for the most part, keep them because it will be too late to prosecute.

      Most federal felony offenses have a statute of limitation at 5 years. Not sure about sedition but it fall into the felony category and I cannot find anything that says longer.

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  2. Sherri Young says:

    One more try.

    Liked by 3 people

    • albertus magnus says:

      They are doing their boss’s bidding. All good managers know how to fire those that dont perform.

      I believe PDJT is a great manager. Do others?

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    • mark says:

      Wray, Bowditch and Boente are complicit! Exactly. President Trump please go the 210 day Acting FBI Director approach and fire Wray then hire Joe DeGenova. Like over at DNI. Heck just go around the turtle also, where ever possible.

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  3. Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

    The comments here reflect a justifiable anger (that I completely understand and share) however I’d like to offer a different take.

    Some above have used the analogy of war that I think is a pretty good one that I will adopt.

    President Trump has said “this can never happen to another President again”.
    This is the The Commander in Chief’s strategic goal in this war.

    How would I execute this plan IF I was in William Barr’s shoes hired to be the SUPREME ALLIED COMMANDER.
    (And make no mistake I AM A WHITE HAT)

    First that goal needs to be articulated in specific measurable outcomes which I would summarize as this:
    1) The American people—-ALL of them—–must have NO DOUBT that CRIMES WERE COMMITTED and WHO COMMITTED THEM. Like Watergate, if people want to excuse or argue in favor of the actions of the perpetrators (because y’know “Orange Man Bad”)….go right ahead. But the one thing that ultimately MUST BE INARGUABLE is the UNDENIABLE FACT of CRIMES .
    2) Perpetrators must be held accountable.

    As Barr, I am taking command in a war that is over 2 years old, the enemy has the initiative and are WITHIN MY PERIMETER, my back is against the wall and I am damn near combat ineffective.
    Great starting position. /s
    So…what’s my plan?

    Step 1) Halt the enemy momentum and advance.
    Step 2) Reorganize, Reinforce, Rearm
    Step 3) Counterattack and Destroy

    I. Halt the enemy momentum and advance.

    Which targets do I select and in which order?
    For example:
    I definitely DO NOT go after the “Russian hack of the DNC” first.
    The enemy was able to establish very effectively this narrative to the point that it has become (falsely) a
    “UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED FACT”
    It’s a fortress upon which I would expend enormous amount of time, energy and resources and most likely fail.

    I select the one that presents the greatest threat. The enemies’ most lethal weapon system.
    The Special Counsel.

    This is no tactical genius on my part.
    IT obviously HAD TO BE DONE THIS WAY.

    There were certain things that HAD to happen
    The SC had to
    1) Complete the investigation
    2) Document his “findings” in a report the contents of which provided to the American people (most certainly by leaks)
    3) Mueller testify in a made for TV event.

    This was going to happen NO MATTER WHAT because the AMERICAN PEOPLE EXPECTED IT TO.
    So how do I turn this enemy strength into his weakness?
    FORCE HIM TO DO IT PREMATURELY….on my timetable NOT HIS.

    And this is exactly what Barr did…..magnificently and with amazing results.
    Quickly Barr:
    1) Told Mueller to wrap it up.
    2) Stole the narrative by publicly presenting the “verdict” before leaking could establish obstruction as another UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED FACT
    3) Released the Report–in it’s near entirety–to the American people.
    4) Stepped out of the way and let a–now reluctant– Mueller to testify……..IN AN ABSURD AND DISASTEROUS PERFORMANCE:

    The things that had to happen DID happen…however…
    Instead of kickstarting the final assault…..

    Mueller was FORCED to state that the Steele Dossier and Mifsud were “out of the purview” of his investigation which was PREDICATED on THOSE TWO SPECIFIC THINGS.
    He was FORCED to make that absolutely RIDICULOUS statement in public BECAUSE HE DIDN’T REALLY DO A RUSSIA INVESTIGATION and it’s simply ALL HE COULD SAY.

    An analogy for you Harry Potter fans:
    For 2 years Mueller was constructed to be a thermonuclear missile…..and as he was incoming…
    Barr stepped forward with his wand…
    Twist and flicked while uttering the incantation:

    “RIDDIKULUS!!”

    And the ICBM turned into a spitball, wet with the drippings from Mueller’s runny nose.
    Turns out….the enemies’ best weapon was shown to be fake
    It was a BOGGART all along.

    The next thing that HAS to happen is the FISA Report release and that leads to Step 2 of the battle plan.

    Step 2) Reorganize, Reinforce, Rearm
    As commander, I have now stopped the enemy dead in his tracks by taking out his most lethal weapon.
    Time to stabilize and prepare.

    I already have 2 “generals” under my command
    General HOROWITZ and (apparently) General HUBER.
    What do my generals need most?

    ACCESS TO INFORMATION (AND WITNESSES) THAT HAVE BEEN DENIED AND WITHHELD.

    I get that access for them by going to the Commander in Chief and getting it for myself: FULL DECLASS AUTHORITY.

    It appears we are seeing the effects of this very thing: Horowitz’s report has been delayed specifically because HE IS FINALLY GETTING THAT ACCESS.
    Hell…..a year and half later…..Horowitz EVEN GETS ACCESS TO STEELE. (BTW He’s A BRIT and NOT a DOJ employee)

    Perhaps we have even seen an emboldened Horowitz:
    With McCabes Leak and Lie Report (when the enemy had the upper hand):
    “The OIG is issuing this report to the FBI for such action that it deems to be appropriate.”

    With the Comey Leak and Lie Carve out he reportedly:
    “referred for PROSECUTION”

    Did Horowitz finally grow a pair or are we seeing something else happening??
    (Yes I know it’s slightly different circumstances and the prosecution was declined but that’s not the point here)

    On to General HUBER….
    Apparently HE IS ONE.(Well there’s a surprise. Who knew?)
    Whitaker “let slip” that HUBER is involved in Comey investigation(s)
    Barr “let slip” that HUBER is involved in a Clinton matter that will “soon come to fruition”

    fru·i·tion
    /fro͞oˈiSH(ə)n/

    noun
    1.the point at which a plan or project is realized.
    “the plans have come to fruition sooner than expected”
    2.LITERARY
    the state or action of producing fruit.

    So there’s that.

    So I already got 2 generals but I could use another as reinforcement.
    A Patton would be nice.
    My own SPECIAL COUNSEL would be better.

    And Barr got one: DURHAM

    Now he has the nuke.

    And Unlike HOROWITZ, Gen DURHAM has THE Maximum Effective Range:
    EVERYWHERE.

    Which leads to Step 3….

    Step 3) Counterattack and Destroy
    As commander this needs to be done with speed, shock and awe, and be lethal.

    Operation Overlord was prepped with PSYOPS and MISDIRECTION while forces were manuevered into final attack positions.

    Psyops perhaps like….
    Going to Capital Hill and throwing a grenade: “SPYING”
    Going radio silent, suddenly, when the public has been feasting on a steady diet of “leaks” by “unnamed sources familiar the matter”?
    The DNI and Sec DNI being “resigned”

    Could Strzok and McCabe’s sudden lawsuits be a result of this fumbling in the dark?

    Misdirection perhaps like
    Declining prosecutions-at this time- for “candor-lacking”?

    Which brings me to document declassifications and “90 Days and NOTHING”.
    In the last 2 years what effect have these had on the battle?

    About as much as the V2’s did that Hitler lobbed in the general direction of London in WW2.
    NONE.

    If we have learned anything it’s that random, stand-alone releases of documents have had little effect on the movement of the front.

    Just ask Tom Fitton.
    Judicial Watch has extracted though FOIA numerous documents……WEEKLY……ON EVERYTHING.
    No casualties.

    Ohr’s 302s just came out last week.
    And what did we find out?

    That EVERYTHING WE KNEW 1.5 YEARS AGO WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE KNEW 1.5YRS AGO.

    The battlefield is strewn with the wreckage of stand-alone document and information “dumps” that killed precisely NO ENEMIES.
    At best they resulted in a “spankin'”……with a feather.

    We’ve even got a prime example of a CALCULATED, PRECISE, CONTEXTUALIZED, TACTICAL attempt:
    THE NUNES MEMO

    Devin Nunes followed every process, policy, procedure, rule and LAW to fire off that missile.
    And what happened?

    The DOJ, FBI, DNI, DEMS and MSM simultaneously turned towards it like Patriot Missile Batteries…
    and shot it out of the sky.

    Sorry….declassifications IN AND OF THEMSELVES…
    WILL NOT WORK.

    SHOCK AND AWE as part of a full fledged coordinated and contextualized counterattack is the only chance to acheive the Commander in Chief’s desired outcome.

    I may be alone but I’m willing to wait to see what happens when the next phase goes into action.
    The IG FISA Report release.

    Do landings at Normandy signaling the advance of the good guys come immediately thereafter?
    Or
    Another dud round followed by nothing.

    In that case, I will be the first to suggest we frag the Commander.

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    • dawg says:

      Liked.

      “Sorry….declassifications IN AND OF THEMSELVES…
      WILL NOT WORK.”

      And I agree with that^^^^^^^

      In the meantime I will continue writing, emailing and calling The White House, the AG, the DOJ, Senators and Congressman to tell them what We The People expect.

      We expect the criminals to be charged. Not simply changes to policy or restructuring of departments.

      The ONLY way to restore our faith in our government and prevent it from happening again is to

      CHARGE THE CRIMINALS.

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    • Barnestormer says:

      Compelling analogy and strategic summary, aided nicely by the WWII example. But if you substitute Vietnam, some cracks appear.

      For instance, you don’t devote much discussion to the role of public support for the war, or to quislings (Rosenstein? Wray?) Declas may not be a HE weapon, but it has PR value (perhaps negative value when it’s known to be in the arsenal but unused: Strzok-Page emails?)

      And FDR didn’t say an attack on Europe should never happen again, that he had a response to the Nazis in mind, and would let us know what he’d do after the election.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        you don’t devote much discussion to the role of public support for the war

        I was trying to keep it short…..

        And was successful in my failure. 😉
        Your points are well taken.

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        • Barnestormer says:

          KVS, just to be clear, I believe your analogy is an inspired description of a what a successful administration strategy could look like, and I enjoyed its full length. Whether it’s true is my concern.

          Because I belive the FBI’s holding out for a post-election release date as a condition for the Strzok-Page emails is more indicative of resistance to the plan you describe than supportive of it.

          Needless to say, I hope my concern proves to be either unfounded or defeated, and your post proves correct.

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    • Mac says:

      The only problem with this summation is that you assume the purpose of Barr and Co. is to actually build a criminal case against the perpetrators of the Get Trump operations. However, this simply does not appear to be the case.

      Yes, I know that the DOJ likes to take years to guild a case against a criminal target, which most state and local LEAs manage to do in days, weeks or months. But, the best way to advance a criminal investigation is to put pressure on lower level players to testify against those higher up through indictment. And, the DOJ has refused to do that. The question is why?

      The answer is that this whole thing is going back, not only to the WH, but to the Oval Office and the President’s desk. And, the political class, in this country, is terrified of the effect the revelation that the First Black President authorized the spying on a Presidential nominee of the opposing political party, if not the use of the official IC and LE agencies of the government to actively attack that candidate and, subsequently President-elect. Barr’s job is simple. He is to pick and choose which conspirators are indicted and for what, to assuage the popular cry for justice, while protecting the highest level players. That is the reason why he has not simply released the Stzrok-Page texts.

      Stzrok and Page were the Boris and Natasha of covert operations. Their whole purpose was to act as cut-outs for the higher level participants in this conspiracy. They were getting their marching orders face-to-face from the upper level and were expected to carry those out in the same manner. But, these two dolts are discussing these meetings, as well as identifying the people involved, in open source, non-classified messages which are, technically, public record. If these messages are ever released, unredacted, they will positively identify the people involved, all the way up to, and including, Barack Obama, the sitting President of the United States, at the time. And, that will all but destroy the political class in this country.

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      • Elle says:

        You make valid points and you may be right. It may also be that they are being more pragmatic and rather than dragging the entire country into endless legal battles and create national discord by besmirching beloved Obama, they are just going to exile the king to prevent an uproar. How much better if Obama is just exposed for who he was and his self-anointed betters have years to come to terms with what a bunch of dupes they were.

        As for Strzok and Page those texts were not the ramblings of dolts. No way. Those were methodical and detailed records hidden in plain site.

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        • Mac says:

          The point is, that after attempting to remove a duly elected President, through illegal means, a large segment of this country wants to see the people responsible criminally charged. If was proven that Obama knew about it ans authorized it, that segment of the population would demand his indictment, as well. And, the political class does not want to deal with the blowback from that.

          You miss the point with the Stzrok-Page texts. The whole point of having these two idiots in the loop was to act as couriers to coordinate the activities of the various players without those players having to meet face to face and without leaving a paper trail of their communications. So, what do Boris and Natasha do? They leave a DETAILED paper trail of the entire operation for everyone to see. They named names and outlined exactly what each of the players was doing, in the conspiracy. They could not have done abetter job of exposing everyone and everything, if they were moles operating for the opposition.

          So, either Stzrok and Page were the biggest dolts in the history of covert operations, or the most brilliant, Machiavellian double agents in history.

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          • Elle says:

            I’ve always considered both of those options a possibility. It seems most likely that they were doing what Nellie was doing with her ham radio, communicating sans email or other traceable means. But it is also possible that Comey’s detailed memos and Stzrok and Page’s detailed texts were the insurance policy of underlings told to do the bidding of brutally ruthless and dangerous people – the kind of people whom you don’t say no to. Realizing it was treason and traceable, they kept records. Page and Strzok’s texts would be brilliant if that was the case. If Hillary won, no issues, just two lovebirds chatting. If Trump won, they would certainly be the fall guys, the ones rotting in jail for life without “insurance”. Same with Comey. None of these people are stupid.

            The truth is, we will NEVER know. While I would LOVE as much as you to see Obama and the main players get their due, I will be happy if Trump removes the globalist cabal players from their positions of power and exposes their deeds, restoring law and order. If only the minions and lackeys get jail time, well, so be it. Without the self-serving minions and lackey’s like Clapper and Brennan and Yates, the Clintons and Obamas are nothing. For centuries, Kings and Queens have been exiled as a means of consolidating power and moving on. I will be happy if the swamp is cleaned and God dispenses justice.

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            • Mac says:

              Yes and no.

              Stzrok and Page were the conspiracy’s ham radio. Their job was to pass along communications between the senior players through word of mouth, so that the players would not have to meet and there would be NO paper trail, including an electronic one. If they had wanted to create an insurance policy, as others did, they would not have done so using an unsecured communications network using government owned communications devices, while the operation was going on. They would have either created a “diary”, like Comey did, and store it on independent devices or create a CYA memo, like Rice did, when their part of the op was finished. AS it stands, their texts clearly show that they were knowingly engaged in a criminal conspiracy aimed at Trump. They have no deniability. My opinion is still that Stzrok and Page were idiots.

              As to removing the globalist elites, that seems unlikely to happen. The people on the Senate intelligence committee, who Wolfe was leaking for are still there and Wolfe got off with a slap on the wrist. McCabe, another exposed leaker, is still sitting around writing books and sipping lattes and has yet to come to trial. Rosenstein retired to fanfare from Barr. I’m sorry, but the current DOJ action is all geared to protecting the very people you want to see ousted from power.

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              • Elle says:

                I acknowledge that Strzok and Page were likely the conspiracy’s ham radio, so we aren’t really disagreeing all that much. But, there is a chance that Strzok and/or Page, (it need not be both), having been tasked with treasonous spying were smart enough to realize they were dealing with some of the most ruthless mobsters on the planet. Mobsters with global reach. They were “in the family” so to speak. Saying NO was not an option. But saying yes immediately set them up to be the fall guys for something that was just a stupid idea to begin with.. So,it seems to me, that Comey and Stzrok and Page may have wanted a record available so the adage “dead men tell no tales” did not apply. And what better way than to leave a record on an unsecured device where a swat team can’t raid your house and “lose” it. It was only chatting if Hillary lost. Likewise, maybe Comey’s leak though his friend to the paper was a shot across the brow that he had a dead man’s switch. We don’t even know if those FISA’s were going two directions. Suppose for a moment that after Admiral Rogers discovered the abuse that the military or some other intelligence agency began to investigate it and the whole thing was a big freaking sting to begin with.

                I know what I’m saying is not likely, but my point is that we don’t really know squat. Our only choice is to keep demanding accountability and to also put our trust in the only people who MAY be on our side. Because if they are not on our side, we are completely screwed anyway.

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                • Mac says:

                  Here is the problem with your scenario.

                  The text messages were being sent in the clear. They would be subject to NSA intercept. And, if they were intercepted during the operation, they could have subjected everyone to criminal prosecution. Secondly, the texts were stored in such a way they were out of the control of Stzrok and Page. It is possible that the texts, which were stored with the FBI could be “lost” and, in fact some were and had to be retrieved from other sources. And, as these texts are not under the control of Stzrok and Page, they could not decide when to release or not release. Finally, they make Stzrok and Page look guilty as sin.

                  It is muh ore likely that these texts are exactly what they look like, two people who are not well versed in intelligence trade craft who are impressing each other with their activities for the conspiracy to increase their perceived importance..

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          • SharonKinDC says:

            OR it was simply an insurance policy for their own hides, if things went south… I opt for this scenario.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        The only problem with this summation is that you assume the purpose of Barr and Co. is to actually build a criminal case

        I started with “another take” (another explanation) to explain what might might be happening and then put my “white hatted head” in Barr’s shoes.

        So yeah…….that was kinda the whole point.

        BTW: I concluded with what I what I would do if I was completely wrong.
        The word I used was “frag”

        If these messages are ever released, unredacted, they will positively identify the people involved, all the way up to, and including, Barack Obama, the sitting President of the United States, at the time

        So……you’ve read them already?
        The”insurance policy” was brushed aside quite easily……as were the rest of their delightful exchanges.
        Don’t be so sure that simply releasing Strzok texts saying “So and so told me to do this” couldn’t be explained away too.

        Better if it’s combined with everything they got and presented together in a trial or used as leverage.

        Assuming that Barr is actually pursuing that….
        which I do not, but am willing to wait and see.

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        • Mac45 says:

          The insurance policy was NOT brushed away. Investigation of it, by government agencies, is being stonewalled. And, it is being ignored by most of the media, which is wholly in the tank for the Establishment. That is why Bruce Ohr has not been indicted. It is why McCabe sits around drinking lattes and writing books. It is why HRC is not under indictment for Servergate. It is why a number of other people have not been indicted. It is why Rosenstein, who set up the entire SC debacle in order to protect the obstruction of justice investigation, and then ran it, though he had an even bigger conflict of interest than Session did, got sent off on retirement with the glad hand from Barr. Could that have been a signal that Barr and Co. would take care of the little Get Trump problem for the Establishment? I don’t know. But it seems to be contrary to what one expect if Rosenstein were under investigation.

          I’m sorry. But my gut feeling is that the leverage that is being developed here is leverage to protect the upper levels of the conspiracy?

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          • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

            The insurance policy was NOT brushed away.

            Weird.
            You say it’s not been brushed away then seemingly spend a paragraph describing how it has.

            Maybe my fault for not being clear.
            What I meant was the the STAND ALONE release of the S/P text messages almost 2 years ago now (esp ione that describes an “insurance policy”) did not cause the desired outcome.

            No reason to assume that releasing a whole bunch more of them on their own will have a different result. They can simply be explained away by S&P and ignored by the MSM which means most Americans will never know about them.
            Like the original ones.
            And as RISTVAN has mentioned several times …..may negatively effect a future prosecution.

            Saving them to enter as evidence–along with ALL other evidence– in a trial would have the better chance.
            Indictments/prosecutions of these folks would be impossible to ignore

            But my gut feeling is that the leverage that is being developed here is leverage to protect the upper levels of the conspiracy?

            Our guts are in agreement on this and I sure hope they’re both wrong.

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            • Elle says:

              :But my gut feeling is that the leverage that is being developed here is leverage to protect the upper levels of the conspiracy?”

              I think you are right. I believe that deals have been and are being made in smokey back rooms.. Play ball and the Epstein photos and fingerprints get removed and you can resign your post or vote yes on that which will help us clean up this mess.

              So my Pollyanna naive and wishful hope is that Trump cares and he is going to drain the swamp, he’s going to give us enough accountability so the next self-serving Federal Service twit thinks twice before selling his soul for a promotion or cocktail invitation. If we get a border, and we get law and order back on track, it’s a hell of a lot better than a Hillary Clinton presidency. I’ll take it.

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    • Elle says:

      well said. I think we need to keep several things in mind.
      1. Leverage. We don’t know who is being leveraged. Look how long Rosey was left in place and told to “dance, monkey”. His legacy will be hiring Mueller which after endless hyping was probably the biggest PSYCH!! in a century. Well done!

      2. You can’t just go in and fire the entire government. This seems more like a mob take down to me which, in a way, it really is. It has to be infiltrated to know who is who. And there has to be people who are given immunity so you can get convictions. So some high profile bad guys will walk free. Deal with it. Heck, I wouldn’t even be surprised if Hillary Clinton was first in line to rat out all of the useless incompetents who failed her. She knows how the game is played. Her black book is far, far, far, more valuable than she is. She’s not stupid. But I digress. My point is that it is 100% impossible for us to know who is cooperating and who is not.

      3. I read an liberal web article yesterday where they talked about Page and Mifsud and spying and then said, …is that all or is there more? Is that ALL? WTF? So the point is the closer we take the shock and awe to the election the better.

      I don’t know how this will turn out. Maybe we will be Venezuela in Jan 2020. But I remain hopeful that there is a bigger battle plan than we are not privy too.

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      • Redzone says:

        Speaking of leverage, is there ANY chance McConnell could possibly influence/blackmail enough votes to impeach? The House can.

        So, if McConnell can threaten impeachment with a bit of credibility, he has enormous power to influence PT’s approach to Barr’s work. Many will be quick to dismiss this remote possibility; but, if it’s possible, it could explain the very slow walking of all investigations and the lack of prosecutions….so far.

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      • Mac says:

        This has now become a government protection operation. The government can not afford to start making deals with anyone for testimony against anyone else. If they did, they run the risk of unleashing another John Dean. This operation went all the way to the very top of the Obama Administration and included members of the Congress as well as foreign governments. People got all upset when they thought that Russia had actively meddled in our elections, And, Russia is not a supposed allies of the U.S. What would the popular reaction be if it was proven that several of our foreign allies actively meddled in our election?

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        Great points!

        I too have suspicions regarding RR.
        I sense he was a sniveling, manipulatable bureaucratic “fence sitter” waiting to see which side would “win”.

        The NYT article in SEP 18 alleging he offered wearing a wire and arranging a 25th Amendment coup attempt and PDJT 180 on declas……have always seemed too coincidental to me.
        It may have been his decision point.

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        • Mac says:

          When it was clear that the Trump-Russia collusion meme was dead. The conspiracy decided to develop the obstruction of justice scenario, To do that, they needed something that they could point to as actual obstruction. But, Trump was not doing enough to develop this scenario. So, Rosenstein was brought in to get Trump to fire Comey, who Trump knew was lying to him and whom he wanted to fire, by providing him with legal justification to do so. Trump followed Rosenstein’s advice and fired Comey. The next day, McCabe opened an obstruction of justice investigation on Trump, citing his firing of Comey. A few days later, Comey appoints Mueller as SC and transfers the Trump-Russia Collusion counter intelligence operation and the criminal obstruction of justice investigation to the SC.

          Now, if Rosestein was anything other than an active conspiracy member, he would never have moved the obstruction investigation to the SC, as he would KNOW the firing was not done to obstruct justice. But, once it was moved to the SC, Rosenstein would have to recuse himself as he was directly involved in Comey’s firing.

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          • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

            If I’m following you……..Rosenstein was brought in SPECIFICALLY because in 3 months time
            1) the Trump-Russia collusion meme was dead.
            2) and PDJT had NOT yet fired Comey.

            Which I guess means that
            James B Comey III sacrificed himself
            (for our sin of electing Trump)
            so he could then appoint a Special Counsel to replace him?

            Interesting theory……but by April 2017
            (when RR was appointed)
            the Trump-Russian meme was MOST DEFINITELY NOT DEAD.
            In fact to the contrary, it was just getting off the launch pad.

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            • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

              Flynn was the obstruction angle Comey was initially pursuing along with Russia
              Both of which Comey could have continually harassed POTUS with safe from his Director’s throne

              Along with anything else he could come up with.

              In other words, Comey did NOT need to be fired to gin up an obstruction charge.
              He could do a hell of a lot more damage right where he was.

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            • Mac says:

              No, the conspiracy knew that the Trump-Russia conspiracy was dead as soon as the election was over, because they created it out of whole cloth. It was never going to result in the removal of Trump and they knew it. They then began setting up an obstruction of justice investigation. This was done for to reasons. the first was they needed a criminal complaint in order to appoint a SC. The Collusion investigation was counter intelligence, which the SC was not authorized ti investigate under law. The second reason was that they needed a criminal charge for possible impeachment. And Rosenstein not only provided Trump with the legal justification for firing Comey, which immediately became the basis for the criminal obstruction investigation, but Rosenstein also appointed the SC, moved both the Collusion CoI op and the obstruction investigation into the SC’s office amid then oversees the SC investigation. And, as Rosenstein had provided the justification for Comey’s firing, he should have either closed the investigation as being without merit, or recused himself. he did neither.

              People have to remember that Get Trump operation was multi-faceted. One was the pure LE investigative operation. The second was the Trump-Russia Collusion meme being hammered by the media and the Democrats. The Collusion meme was really cover for the obstruction investigation, as those who set it all up knew the Collusion was total BS. But, it not only covered the SC’s true activities, but it ginned up public sentiment that Trump-Russia collusion was real and Trump was a Russian agent.

              Now Flynn was a dead end, for the conspiracy. He was originally being used as a foil to justify the Collusion narrative, due to his history and his contact with the Russian Ambassador, Kislyak. There was no obstruction investigation, until after Comey was fired. Would Comey have agreed to being fired? Possibly. He was the faceman for the HRC Servergate whitewash. And, he had been amassing “memos” to provide himself an insurance policy. So, he might have taken one for the team. On the other hand, he might not have been asked or informed of the plan to have Trump fire him. Comey’s usefulness was limited, by this time, because he had been lying to Trump constantly and Trump knew about it. By having Comey fired, it provided some authorization to open a criminal obstruction investigation, and Rosenberg moved that investigation into the SC’s office where it was protected while providing the legal authorization for the SC’s investigation. The Comey firing was a total set-up.

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              • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                the conspiracy knew that the Trump-Russia conspiracy was dead as soon as the election was over, because they created it out of whole cloth.

                Again…..wasn’t Comey part of the conspiracy? I mean he pulled the J Edgar move by briefing PE Trump at TT and was in the “by the book” oval office meeting.

                I respect your theory but you lose me with Comey “taking one for the team”.

                Father Comey is a team of ONE.

                And could have hassled POTUS relentlessly right where he was.

                Just like he did before the election.

                Also the SC appointment with Mueller in place could have been done anyway if they wanted to or felt it was a better way to protect the conspiracy.
                It was based on a CI investigation which as you correctly note was in violation of 28CFR600.
                The could have violated it WITH or WITHOUT Comey in place.

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                • Mac says:

                  Where would you ever get the idea that Comey was a lone wolf? He did not decide to shield HRC on his own. Comey was not running the Get Trump program on his own. he was just one more cog in the machine. He was always a part of the conspiracy. But, his usefulness was waning, quickly, as trump did not trust him.

                  You have to understand that the whole direction of the Get Trump program changed once Trump got elected. During the campaign, the program was set up to maintain the illegal surveillance of the Trump campaign which the Obama Administration was engaged in, via the NSA, prior to it being shut down by Adm. Rogers, in March of 2016. The whole Russian Collusion set-up was to provide a predicate to obtain a Title 1 FISA surveillance warrant to electronically surveil the Trump campaign. It was hoped that dirt could be dredged up that would hurt Trump’s election chances. This changed upon Trump winning the Presidency. Now, the objective was to remove Trump from office. To do that, the conspiracy had to come up with an impeachable offense. Collusion was not an impeachable offense. Besides, the conspiracy knew that it would never hold up and, possibly, it could explode in their faces it examined too closely at trial. They had created it, after all. So, they began searching for a way to charge obstruction of justice against Trump. It was not going well, until someone hit on the idea of getting Trump to fire Comey. They could use that to open a criminal obstruction investigation and point to the firing as evidence of obstruction. Whether Comey volunteered to be fired, allowed himself to be fired or was blindsided by the rest of the conspiracy is unknown. It could have been any of these. But, his firing was set up by Rosenstein. This allowed McCabe to start an obstruction investigation the next day. Then, Rosenstein appoints Mueller as SC, to investigate both the Russian Collusion counter intelligence case [which the SC statute does not authorize] and the obstruction case [which being criminal, it does]. Yet, Rosenstein, who provided the legal justification to Trump for firing Comey, neither closes the obstruction case, because he should have know it was baseless, or recused himself because he provided the legal justification for the firing. And, the Russian Collusion CoI investigation was used as cover, by the SC and rest of the conspiracy, to distract from the main purpose of the SC, which was to build an obstruction case against Trump.

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                • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

                  Complicated stuff

                  I know I’m pretty dumb but….

                  If RR was doing what EXACTLY what the “coup plotters” wanted him to do…
                  in fact PLACED HIM there to do…..

                  why did McCabe (a fellow co-conspirator) leak to the NYT and to 30 million 60 Minutes viewers that Rod Rosenstein offered to illegally surveil the President as well as arrange Cabinet members to overthrow him with the 25th Amendment ?

                  Seems a bit of a risky move while RR is still DAG and Bill Barr (his boss) is talking about looking in to the whole “spying” thing.

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    • OlderAndWiser says:

      Good analysis and honest thoughts.
      A couple of points:
      1) It has been reported that what Durham is investigating is a Conspiracy – this means that they (Durham et al) need to get a LOT of facts out, requiring lots of interviews and data gathering.
      2) It has also been reported that Horowitz’ work was delayed when they got new facts – specifically, that they got facts that contradicted previous statements. Hence, they already have some people who have lacked candor and who may now be cooperating to save their bony asses. Or they may be changing their stories to tell new lies – in which case more data is needed to determine who is telling the whole truth.

      BTW, I totally agree with your first point – Barr did the right thing. He took control of the Mueller report and let it self-destruct. Also agree that the slow trickle of releases has not done anything to move the general public. Therefore it does need to be shock and awe.

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  4. Chewbarkah says:

    I can’t seem find answers via internet search. Does anyone know:
    Who is the judge in the JW’s text case?
    What is the schedule for a ruling on the FBI proposal to stonewall for another 2 years plus?

    Judge needs to order the complete and full release by tomorrow noon.

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    • Mr e-man says:

      Mueller had 50+ attorneys working for him with an unlimited budget. So the money is there. Hire 50+ lawyers to go through the Stzmirk- Page texts. We should see it by the end of the year.

      And Chris Wray is obstructing Justice. Why is he not fired and possibly even charged?

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      • Chewbarkah says:

        Most of the 13,000 pages are innocuous yaya, and vast parts have already been released. JW requested the data under the FOIA in January 2018. The OIG has already reviewed the material. I see no reason to “be reasonable” about this. And yes, Wray cares more for the FBI than for the Constitution. Give him the choice of releasing everything immediately or a short stay in the Epstein cell.

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  5. What everyone needs to understand is that Politically connect Lawyers protect other Politically connected Lawyers regardless of Party affiliation…..These same DC Lawyers/Law-Firms all hire each other when needed…Realize virtually all of the exposed corruption, criminal and ethical behavior at the FBI/DOJ and other bureaucracies has been willfully committed by Lawyers….

    The reason not a single Lawyer(McCabe, Comey, Paige, Strok, etc) being exposed for perjury, unethical and criminal behavior has had their Law License suspended or revoked is because it would expose how corrupt the Law profession is in their field of work(FBI/DOJ) and it would force Wray to explain why his agents lost their Law License…Neither Wray or Barr want that to happen….In-fact the Bar Association has willfully turned a blind eye to unethical Politician Lawyers, unethical Bureaucrat Lawyers and activist Judges…. It’s infuriating and Sad what Lawyers have done to our Republic….

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    • Redzone says:

      Well said and sadly very true tieoneon.

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    • cheering4america says:

      As a lawyer my perspective is that the failure to revoke the law licenses of those who participated willingly in this seditious activity (at best) exposes how corrupt is the law profession more emphatically than anything else could.

      And the American Bar Association went over to the dark side a long time ago, probably from its inception.

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  6. Kris says:

    Maybe the Strzok lawsuit is getting in the way too.

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  7. Jaap Titulaer says:

    They they failed to steel the election in 3016, but not for lack of trying.
    They managed to steel the 2018 election.
    And now they want to steel the election of 2020??
    WTF indeed.

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  8. dawg says:

    On the point of the seeming lack of progress towards real justice with indictments or anything to that effect, there is very recent proof that PT does greatly consider the timing of what he does.

    He has said many times in the last few months, when talking about another subject, that his biggest mistake was destroying Elizabeth Warren too soon. That he should have waited closer to the election before the whole DNA thing.

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  9. Scott A says:

    Wait until after the Election — because then – maybe the crimes will disappear from history if the right people get elected…..

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  10. Gil Stonebarger says:

    and STILL we wait for the “big ugly”. Guess us folks who have expressed extreme doubts weren’t just “trolls”

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  11. islandpalmtrees says:

    You are all, winning and this is why. Do you see or hear anything from the key players: Comey, Brennan, Lynch, RR, etc, That’s because they know what is coming down. Remember they still have their security clearances and they are also getting help from the Deep State still embedded.

    Their lawyers have told them to keep their mouths shut. Wouldn’t you?

    Relax, it’s coming.

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  12. dwpender says:

    I hope the next citizen caller President Trump hears from is not Tim Cook or some other high profile CEO. Instead, I pray the call commences: “Mister President, this is Sundance from The Conservative Treehouse. I’d like the opportunity you gave Tim Cook to have dinner with Melania and you and discuss matters of major national importance …..”

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  13. BobR says:

    if they aint arresting Comey, then they aint arresting Clinton then they definitely not arresting Obama. Nobody is willing to pull out one of the cards from the house because it all will come down.

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  14. ScoutBird says:

    OK, Barr has had his chance. Appears now he’s participating in empty suited dunce Wray’s continued cover-up of FBI malfeasance late in Barry’s Marxist reign. @POTUS
    @realDonaldTrump needs to take the bull by the horns & do these document releases himself.

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