Quirky Angle – Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne: 2016 FBI Activity Was “Political Espionage”…

In a rather curious and quirky interview, Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne describes a related aspect to the DOJ/FBI operations against candidate Donald Trump in 2016.

Byrne enters the story due to his romantic relationship with Maria Butina, a person charged by Robert Mueller as being a Russian intelligence operative.  In/around 2015 Byrne met and started a relationship with Butina, and later was enlisted by the FBI for assistance in their investigation of her.  [Sara Carter Backstory Here]

Mr. Byrne now describes all of that FBI activity as somewhat of a political espionage operation to spy on several 2016 candidates, collect dirt, and seemingly gain operational leverage.  WATCH:

Research indicates the modern political exploitation of the NSA database, for weaponized intelligence surveillance of politicians, began mid 2012.

The FISA-702 database extraction process, and utilization of the protections within the smaller intelligence community, was the primary process. Start by reviewing the established record from the 99-page FISC opinion rendered by Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer on April 26th, 2017; and explain the details within the FISC opinion.

I would strongly urge everyone to read the FISC report because Judge Collyer outlines how the DOJ, which includes the FBI, had an “institutional lack of candor” in responses to the FISA court. In essence, the Obama administration was continually lying to the court about their activity, and the rate of fourth amendment violations for illegal searches and seizures of U.S. persons’ private information for multiple years.

The key takeaway from these first paragraphs is how the search query results were exported from the NSA database to users who were not authorized to see the material. The FBI contractors were conducting searches and then removing, or ‘exporting’, the results. Later on, the FBI said all of the exported material was deleted.

Searching the highly classified NSA database is essentially a function of filling out search boxes to identify the user-initiated search parameter and get a return on the search result.

FISA-702(16) is a search of the system returning a U.S. person (“702”); and the “16” is a check box to initiate a search based on “To and From“. Example, if you put in a date and a phone number and check “16” as the search parameter the user will get the returns on everything “To and From” that identified phone number for the specific date. Calls, texts, contacts etc. Including results for the inbound and outbound contacts.

FISA-702(17) is a search of the system returning a U.S. person (702); and the “17” is a check box to initiate a search based on everything “About” the search qualifier. Example, if you put a date and a phone number and check “17” as the search parameter the user will get the returns of everything about that phone. Calls, texts, contacts, geolocation (or gps results), account information, user, service provider etc. As a result, 702(17) can actually be used to locate where the phone (and user) was located on a specific date or sequentially over a specific period of time which is simply a matter of changing the date parameters.

And that’s just from a phone number.

Search an ip address “about” and read all data into that server; put in an email address and gain everything about that account. Or use the electronic address of a GPS enabled vehicle (about) and you can withdraw more electronic data and monitor in real time. Search a credit card number and get everything about the account including what was purchased, where, when, etc. Search a bank account number, get everything about transactions and electronic records etc. Just about anything and everything can be electronically searched; everything has an electronic ‘identifier’.

The search parameter is only limited by the originating field filled out. Names, places, numbers, addresses, etc. By using the “About” parameter there may be thousands or millions of returns. Imagine if you put “@realdonaldtrump” into the search parameter? You could extract all following accounts who interacted on Twitter, or Facebook etc. You are only limited by your imagination and the scale of the electronic connectivity.

As you can see below, on March 9th, 2016, internal auditors noted the FBI was sharing “raw FISA information, including but not limited to Section 702-acquired information”.

In plain English the raw search returns were being shared with unknown entities without any attempt to “minimize” or redact the results. The person(s) attached to the results were named and obvious. There was no effort to hide their identity or protect their 4th amendment rights of privacy:

But what’s the scale here? This is where the story really lies.

Read this next excerpt carefully.

The operators were searching “U.S Persons”. The review of November 1, 2015, to May 1, 2016, showed “eighty-five percent of those queries” were unlawful or “non compliant”.

85% !! “representing [redacted number]”.

We can tell from the space of the redaction the number of searches were between 1,000 and 9,999 [five digits]. If we take the middle number of 5,000 – that means 4,250 unlawful searches out of 5,000.

The [five digit] amount (more than 1,000, less than 10,000), and 85% error rate, was captured in a six month period.

Also notice this very important quote: “many of these non-compliant queries involved the use of the same identifiers over different date ranges.” So they were searching the same phone number, email address, electronic “identifier”, or people, repeatedly over different dates. Specific people were being tracked/monitored.

Additionally, notice the last quote: “while the government reports it is unable to provide a reliable estimate of” these non lawful searches “since 2012, there is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015 [to] April 2016 coincided with an unusually high error rate”.

That means the 85% unlawful FISA-702(16)(17) database abuse has likely been happening since 2012. (Again, remember that date, 2012) Who was FBI Director? Who was his chief-of-staff? Who was CIA Director? ODNI? etc. Remember, the NSA is inside the Pentagon (Defense Dept) command structure. Who was Defense Secretary? And finally, who wrote and signed-off-on the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment?

Tens of thousands of searches over four years (since 2012), and 85% of them are illegal. The results were extracted for?…. (I believe this is all political opposition use; and I’ll explain why momentarily.)

OK, that’s the stunning scale; but who was involved?

Private contractors with access to “raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to FBI’s requests“:

And as noted, the contractor access was finally halted on April 18th, 2016.

[Coincidentally (or not), the wife of Fusion-GPS founder Glenn Simpson, Mary Jacoby, goes to the White House the next day on April 19th, 2016.]

None of this is conspiracy theory.

All of this is laid out inside this 99-page opinion from FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer who also noted that none of this FISA abuse was accidental in a footnote on page 87: “deliberate decisionmaking“:

This specific footnote, if declassified, would be key.  Note the phrase: “([redacted] access to FBI systems was the subject of an interagency memorandum of understanding entered into [redacted])”, this sentence has the potential to expose an internal decision; withheld from congress and the FISA court by the Obama administration; that outlines a process for access and distribution of surveillance data.

Note: “no notice of this practice was given to the FISC until 2016“, that is important.

Summary: The FISA court identified and quantified tens-of-thousands of search queries of the NSA/FBI database using the FISA-702(16)(17) system. The database was repeatedly used by persons with FBI contractor access who unlawfully searched and extracted the raw results without redacting the information and shared it with an unknown number of entities.

There is little doubt the FISA-702(16)(17) database system was used by Obama-era officials, from 2012 through April 2016, as a way to spy on their political opposition. Quite simply there is no other intellectually honest explanation for the scale and volume of database abuse that was taking place.

When we reconcile what was taking place and who was involved, then the actions of the exact same principle participants take on a jaw-dropping amount of clarity.

All of the action taken by CIA Director Brennan, FBI Director Comey, ODNI Clapper and Defense Secretary Ashton Carter make sense. Including their effort to get NSA Director Mike Rogers fired.

Everything after March 9th, 2016, was done to cover up the weaponization of the FISA database. [Explained Here] Spygate, Russia-Gate, the Steele Dossier, and even the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (drawn from the dossier and signed by the above) were needed to create a cover-story and protect themselves from discovery of this four year weaponization, political surveillance and unlawful spying. Even the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel makes sense; he was FBI Director when this began.

The beginning decision to use FISA(702) as a domestic surveillance and political spy mechanism appears to have started in/around 2012. Perhaps sometime shortly before the 2012 presidential election and before John Brennan left the White House and moved to CIA. However, there was an earlier version of data assembly that preceded this effort.

Political spying 1.0 was actually the weaponization of the IRS. This is where the term “Secret Research Project” originated as a description from the Obama team. It involved the U.S. Department of Justice under Eric Holder and the FBI under Robert Mueller. It never made sense why Eric Holder requested over 1 million tax records via CD ROM, until overlaying the timeline of the FISA abuse:

The IRS sent the FBI “21 disks constituting a 1.1 million page database of information from 501(c)(4) tax exempt organizations, to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.” The transaction occurred in October 2010 (link)

Why disks? Why send a stack of DISKS to the DOJ and FBI when there’s a pre-existing financial crimes unit within the IRS. All of the evidence within this sketchy operation came directly to the surface in early spring 2012.

The IRS scandal was never really about the IRS, it was always about the DOJ asking the IRS for the database of information. That is why it was transparently a conflict when the same DOJ was tasked with investigating the DOJ/IRS scandal. Additionally, Obama sent his chief-of-staff Jack Lew to become Treasury Secretary; effectively placing an ally to oversee/cover-up any issues. As Treasury Secretary Lew did just that.

Lesson Learned – It would appear the Obama administration learned a lesson from attempting to gather a large opposition research database operation inside a functioning organization large enough to have some good people that might blow the whistle.

The timeline reflects a few months after realizing the “Secret Research Project” was now worthless (June 2012), they focused more deliberately on a smaller network within the intelligence apparatus and began weaponizing the FBI/NSA database.  If our hunch is correct, that is what will be visible in footnote #69:

How this all comes together in 2019

Fusion GPS was not hired in April 2016 to research Donald Trump. As shown in the evidence provided by the FISC, the intelligence community was already doing surveillance and spy operations. The Obama administration already knew everything about the Trump campaign, and were monitoring everything by exploiting the FISA database.

However, after the NSA alerts in/around March 9th, 2016, and particularly after the April 18th shutdown of contractor access, the Obama intelligence community needed Fusion GPS to create a narrative that could: (A) justify surveillance and spy operations; and (B) be used as an insurance policy in the event they needed to remove President Trump.

Fusion GPS gave them what they needed by creating the Steele Dossier.

That’s why the FBI small group, which later transitioned into the Mueller team, were so strongly committed to and defending the formation of the Steele Dossier and its dubious content.

The Steele Dossier contained a cover-story and justification for the pre-existing surveillance operation; and the justification for a special counsel investigation.

The corrupt DOJ and FBI group needed Fusion GPS to build a narrative for them to use, ie. ‘the insurance policy’ (Mueller).  Fusion would provide information to the FBI through the laundry system using Christopher Steele.  Fusion also sold the Russia narrative to the media.

After the 2016 election, former Senate Intelligence Committee staffer Dan Jones paid Christopher Steele and Fusion GPS to keep up appearances thereby creating the foundation for Robert Mueller to be appointed.


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207 Responses to Quirky Angle – Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne: 2016 FBI Activity Was “Political Espionage”…

  1. booger71 says:

    Kudos to you Sundance for the incredible work.

    Liked by 25 people

  2. nimrodman says:

    From FISA-702 database extraction and straight into Obama’s mother-of-all-databases that Maxine Waters spilled the beans about

    Liked by 20 people

  3. guybee55 says:

    This unbelievably corrupt group of psychopaths need to hung for treason all the way up to the top.

    Liked by 8 people

  4. James F says:

    The part about Hillary being as much of a victim of espionage as President Trump is obvious BS damage control and false equivalency.

    Liked by 17 people

  5. willthesuevi says:

    I honestly do not know how Sundance keeps all this straight. I am not dumb, but this sure makes me think I am not very smart. My head is spinning, and if this is true it makes J. Edgar Hoover look like a piker.

    There are very few of us that have absolutely nothing to hide. Not necessarily criminal but personally embarrassing. My Mother possibly.

    The sheer quantity of this, mixed with the premise that these are not random but targeted, tells me whoever hold this information ultimately controls………everything. No wonder Washington is slow playing this to death. I am guessing, more powerful people are afraid of this than Epstein.

    I really am not a conspiracy guy, but damn.

    Liked by 21 people

    • CountryDoc says:

      Lets how go back and ask people to tell us the REAL reason they made decisions:
      Why Chief Justice Roberts ruled the way he did on Obama Care, on other decisions
      Why people are not being procescuted for crimes known
      Why senator Corker resigned

      Liked by 8 people

      • willthesuevi says:

        I really resist that thinking but I honestly need to revisit myself.

        That, Doc, would be the proverbial Pandora’s Box. I do not want to even fathom the ramifications.

        I know I sound late to the party. I am not. I just try and keep my own crazy side in check. We certainly live in interesting times.

        Sometimes I sits and thinks. Tonight is sometimes, goodnight Treepers.

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    • @ChicagoBri says:

      I have never, ever been a 9/11 truther. However, this massive spying system would never, ever have been acceptable to US citizens without a precipitating event.

      I’m still not a 9/11 truther, but I now have zero trust in the federal government. (I live in Chicago, Illinois so I have zero trust in my state or local governments either, but that’s a whole other story.)

      Liked by 18 people

      • bkrg2 says:

        Bri, I live in Crook County too.
        It’s pretty easy to figure out what happened to the federal government for people who live in the corrupt cesspool of Chicago. These politicians have no soul. They are not like you and me – they feel no guilt and no remorse.

        The Clintons and Obozos wanted to turn the USA into Chicago corruption on a nationwide scale. Think about it. Trillions of dollars to control and use to pay your family & friends for favors.

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    • dd_sc says:

      Hoover was pre digital age; if he had these tools, and the Patriot Act, he would have been in hog heaven.

      Liked by 6 people

  6. shipley130 says:

    It would still be going on if Donald Trump lost the election. The Clinton-Obama crime family just couldn’t imagine DJT winning the 2016 election. Ah, consequences.

    Liked by 12 people

  7. Bogeyfree says:

    How could PT and Barr read this and not demand a COMPLETE AUDIT of all NSA contractors and queries from 2012 through 2016?

    I’m hopeful this is or has been done and Barr is using the results to indict any and all perpetrators who broke the law.

    But to not do this and rely on just a six month sampling IMO means you are really not interested in learning the full truth.

    Liked by 4 people

    • Jederman says:

      An ambitious investigator could probably overlay dates, times, names with odd behavior and behavior favorable to the loathsome obama and crew with a high degree of certainty.

      Liked by 6 people

    • 1970novass396 says:

      If they haven’t done that already then there is no F hope! Trump knew the deal within a month after taking the keys to the White House. He better be holding The Rook otherwise he is done after this term and he will spend the rest of his life in the courtroom along with his children.

      Liked by 2 people

    • CM-TX says:

      Because IG Horowitz never-ending FISA investigation is conveniently dragging it out. Shielding evidence & prosecutions.

      We need to FORGET that Horowitless is required to submit a referral for any crimes he comes across– IMMEDIATELY to the AG.

      Notice we’ve seen ZERO related prosecutions. So either he’s referred NONE, or the D0J has been FAILING to prosecute this entire time.

      The IG process is a STALL tactic. Think how often do average citizens who commit KNOWN crimes, await a Review summary? And then give them access to ALL the evidence & findings… So they have an opportunity to dispute it in writing (and included in any release!).
      All this BEFORE they, or any cohorts, ever see prosecution. Which it rarely if ever results in.
      The entire IG process is BS- IMHO.

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  8. Chilidog says:

    Political espionage has always seemed like the most likely explanation. All of this was set into motion way before Trump became a candidate. Why else did it take so long to clear Hillary? They could have easily cleared her six months prior to when they actually did. Their aim was maximum leverage on who they thought and wanted to be the next president.

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  9. TexasDude says:

    The problem with this is that calling it political espionage downplays the seditious, treasonous act of trying to frame a sitting president in a crime or crimes with the ultimate goal of forcing him out of office by resignation or impeachment.

    Reagan’s team had a mole in Carter’s admin feeding them foreign policy actions and plans. That’s political espionage. Granted Reagan really didn’t need that to win in the first place.

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  10. Roni says:

    I too believe the spying predated the 2016 election. Gen. Alexander should be compelled to testify under oath about what he knew, and what role, if any, he played. He and Ashton Carter seemed to have a cozy relationship.
    Adm. Rogers’ parents, wherever they may be, should be very proud of the son they raised. Hopefully someday, we’ll hear his story.

    Liked by 5 people

  11. StanH says:

    The swamp is in protect mode and are willing to hasten the destruction of the country to preserve their entitlements. If they trip off a civil war it’s better than having to face the consequences for their overt and decades long criminality. The swamp scum is percolating to the top on a daily basis and it’s getting time to start skimming the floaters and then dive deep, bust the damn and drain the swamp.

    Always instructive Sundance.

    Liked by 8 people

  12. Jederman says:

    “Later on, the FBI said all of the exported material was deleted.” Oh yeah, definitely, it was all deleted. For sure.

    obama and his crew are rotten to the core. Of course the clintons aren’t far behind with their earlier version of the “raw” FBI files that somehow ended up in their possession.

    Their ideas suck. America didn’t want a fundamental transformation. Only other option is to gain “leverage” as in dirt etc etc on their political opposition.

    Any chance for some justice after all this??? Sure doesn’t look likely, what with all that BS and Lefty talking points about not going after the previous admin. Where did those rules come from? They came from people that have their own skeletons and exposure.

    Barr needs to see this through and let the cards fall where they may. All the way.

    Liked by 8 people

    • CountryDoc says:

      We need to start putting people into solitary confinement, under 24h surviellance, in preparation for public hanging. Fast Track laws. Lesser sentances for those who squeal. We could justify using the FISA search capabilities on these people — they are a greater national and international threat than any previous terrorists we have ever had.

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  13. Kay Sadeeya says:

    Collecting data and spying is what the FBI has done since the beginning. I believe at first it was innocent and in the name of preventing criminal activity in bad actors; but once the higher-ups saw the potential for black-mail and the power of illicit information, I believe the FBI became a corrupt organization and a tool of nasty people. It should be abolished, burned to the ground, and replaced with a new organization under a charter that the death penalty awaits any further corrupt scoundrels.

    Liked by 8 people

  14. meadowlarkspring says:

    “Political espionage” by intelligence agencies on presidential candidates of both parties should put a big question mark on this bill.

    Liked by 3 people

  15. tommylotto says:

    So whether Butina was a Red Sparrow spy or not, the FBI allowed her to operate without interruption and without notifying those she came into contact… because those she was in contact with were Republicans. I’m sure they had a FISA order on her, giving them unrestricted access to all her communications as well as those of the unlucky Republicans that she came into contact, plus whatever hops the law allowed. She was like a young promiscuous Russian red-headed virus infecting Republicans with an incurable case of Deep State surveillance. What’s not to like if you are a Deep State operative with a kink for political surveillance, unmasking and leaking?

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  16. snellvillebob says:

    On top of this, I remember Comey had a “Special Advisor” or something that could look at the NSA data without any records of him doing it. He must have had Administrator access kinda that of Eric Snowden who worked at Boze Allen.

    Liked by 2 people

  17. Lee Moore says:

    Two bits I don’t understand :

    The FBI contractors were conducting searches and then removing, or ‘exporting’, the results. Later on, the FBI said all of the exported material was deleted.

    Presumably “all of the exported material was deleted” doesn’t mean deleted from the NSA database. It means the extracted copies taken by the contractors were deleted. But how could the FBI possibly know this ? Glenn said, “it’s OK, I’ve deleted it all, don’t worry ?” Or something more robust ?

    “while the government reports it is unable to provide a reliable estimate of” these non lawful searches “since 2012, there is no apparent reason to believe the November 2015 [to] April 2016 coincided with an unusually high error rate”.

    Why would the government be unable to provide a reliable estimate going back to 2012 ? Do they mean “we could but we haven’t bothered to go back before 2015 ?” Or that there has been one of those unfortunate accidental deletions, so frequent in this territory, whereby the records of who searched for what have disappeared ?

    This all smacks of trying very hard not to get to the bottom of all this.

    Let us hope Mr Durham is on the case, and that not too much of the evidence has been destroyed.

    Liked by 5 people

    • CountryDoc says:

      We could justify having an army of intelligence officers gathering data (Sundance can head it up) while everyone suspected in contributing to illegal activity is quarrantined from access to data or communicating with suspected culprits.

      Liked by 2 people

    • Perot Conservative says:

      They’re lying. The info was likely given to the DNC, Fusion, Crowdstrike, and others.

      Why go to all that bother to then go all Hillary on it? They’re lying is vastly more plausible

      Liked by 2 people

  18. Sherri Young says:

    Patrick Byrne is an interesting guy. He is a cancer survivor who really pushed himself. Has frequently taken a different path.

    Used to comment on the message boards over at Investor Village several years ago. Might still do so. His handle was “Hannibal”. May have commented on Zerohedge too. I can’t remember for sure.

    Grew up in Omaha. Knew Warren Buffett when he was a kid. His father was an executive with Fireman’s Fund Insurance.

    Liked by 3 people

  19. NJF says:

    Well who the hell saw this coming. 😃

    Liked by 4 people

  20. Kay Sadeeya says:

    Jeffrey Epstein’s final dispensation should be meted out to every corrupt individual involved in the attempted 2016 coup and political attack of DJT.

    Liked by 1 person

  21. There are two things about all of this that continue to puzzle me:

    (1) The apparent reliance upon “text messages.” These messages are sent through the cell-phone system, which first receives the message from the sending phone then re-transmits it to the recipient(s). Quite obviously, the cell company also keeps a copy. Therefore, why do we see “texts” by government officials who “want to avoid a [paper] trail?” ‘Scuse me? Likewise, if you want to know what “48 texts” between this-or-that person consisted of, you don’t need to ask the NSA: just ask Verizon.

    (2) The fact that “dirt” apparently consisted of DNC(!) e-mails. In other words, messages sent “by” (if not also “to”) DNC staffers, the content of which is so damaging that the Russians(!!), along with a double-handful of other countries’ State Intelligence Agencies(!!!!) would be wining-and-dining all sorts of people in London (and paying them $10,000 in cash) to get their hands on it.

    I’m sorry to be the fly in the ointment, but I’ve honestly got to say that “my Spidey Sense™ is going off right now.”

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      It was so 24 / 7, so sure Trump was gonna lose, they got sloppy.

      #2 – the juiciest stuff was likely in person, or via WhatsApp… all deleted w/in 9 days.

      #3 – POTUS refers to the “Lovely Lisa Page”, right about the time it appeared she was forthcoming. Rumors she is cooperating.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Well, it also seems obvious that they didn’t know that all government information retrieval systems keep audit trails. Every search was logged: who made it, when, and exactly what they were searching for. These logs will go back to the launch date of the system and they’ll still be there. Adm. Rogers and Judge Collyer had factual, authoritative sources for that [REDACTED] count and percentage.

        So, if Obama & Company were trying to be surreptitious, they left a digital trail a mile wide. And the head of the Department caught them red-handed.

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      • MelH says:

        Trump also refers to Nellie Ohr as Bruce Ohr’s “lovely wife”. I always cringe when he does that, because it’s so sexist, He never says McCarthy is a handsome dude.


  22. todayistheday99 says:

    Good. An ultra-wealthy red pilled citizen with unlimited financial resources and a deep state story to tell that isn’t going good down easy. Sounds just like the type of patriot we need.

    Liked by 2 people

  23. JAS says:

    I watched the whole thing live and had to rewind to watch it again. Byrne doesn’t have an axe to grind. “It was all political”. He named names – Brennan and Comey….

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  24. Doppler says:

    While I agree the probability is very high this spying was done at least in part for political purposes, I do not agree that this is only likely abuse. Hedge funds like George Soros could literally print money, if they had the ability to spy on CEOs and CFOs in charge of publicly traded assets, to snoop out undisclosed insider information that would move markets upon release. What would prevent those doing this spying from including a little free money in the process, aided by their bestest money-friends?

    Note that Peter Stzrok’s wife was a high level SEC official, promoted to SEC Enforcement Chief at the time of the reopening of the HRC investigation to “review” Weiner’s laptop. True Pundit reported it, https://truepundit.com/insurance-hours-after-fbi-found-classified-hillary-emails-on-weiner-laptop-peter-strzoks-wife-was-promoted-to-director-of-sec-enforcement/, and assumed it was to protect the Clinton Foundation and its donors from SEC scrutiny, but, to me, it is just as or more likely she was there to prevent review of the list of who got reviewed by those contractors to see if any likely insider information inquiries were conducted, and linked back to the hedge fund placing the bets. The timing also suggests Stzrok wanted something from Obama in exchange for white-washing the Weiner laptop, and his wife’s promotion (a very important, career-making position), could have been a quid pro quo for that. All speculation, but why would Soros, funding the people conducting this operation, fail to pick up the easy money at the same time? Ethics?

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    • Doppler says:

      Another thought: why are there four or five contractors, if not to pursue separate espionage for different purposes. Speculating here: Fusion, a likely political contractor. Orbis, perhaps, for Russia/British espionage. Crowdstrike, for hacking people someone wanted to be able to further track outside of NSA. And perhaps a group of financial analysts able to identify the best targets for hedge-fund trading purposes, and screen their communications to figure out when they’d discovered early access to market-moving news.

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    • Issy says:

      Very likely there were some profits taken.


  25. Perot Conservative says:

    I ocassionally point to the 99-page opinion of Judge Collyer on other sites – it seems to be the biggest, most damning, most authoratative document we have right now.

    Incontrivertible … outside of pesky redactions.

    I believe Sundance previously speculated this political a cess was for sale.

    POTUS has our economy, tariffs, military and potential exposure as leverage over Italy, the UK, Australia coming clean … though I don’t doubt that John Kerry, Pelosi, and Warner ate also working angles. He has to have more leverage than the Swamp.

    Don’t forget Maxine Waters blabbing about Obama’s all-powerful database capabilities.

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  26. Southcentralpa says:

    Nunes has it right. People need to be fired. With extreme prejudice.

    Liked by 4 people

    • CM-TX says:

      “Fired … [& Criminally Prosecuted]” (fixed it for you🙂)
      Nunes actually said “go to JAIL”.

      He also said in an interview way back, the number was “likely 1000’s”– as to Private Citizens that were spied on. These were criminal acts.

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  27. John Rawls says:

    It’s funny… no one wants to talk about Butina.

    Not discussed at Mueller hearing, not discussed here. Though Patrick Byrne talks about the political espionage surrounding Butina, somehow we got on the topic of the 702 shenanigans???

    Maybe missed how Sundance is connecting the two.

    I am glad Sundance pointed out the WHouse meeting with FusionGPS. That should be its own story. What was that all about?

    Butina’s activities should also be looked at. She was trying to make connections to the DNC. Some think she might have hooked up with Imran Iwan, who probably had access to those servers.

    Better analysis of what Byrne is up to is needed.

    Analysis of why neither Dems or Repubs asked Mueller about Butina, when she was one of the key Russian agents mentioned in his report.

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  28. Crimsonrok says:

    This is the proof that the Coup occurred in 2012 NOT 2016. The events beginning in 2012 was to insure that the progressive deep swamp would forever remain in power via the weaponization of various intelligence and enforcement agencies that can control the populace.
    The events of 2016 was the insurance policy to make certain that the coup of 2012 never saw sunlight. The attempt to get rid of Trump one way or another by Russia hoax or impeachment is an effort to hide the 2012-2016 time period. If certain important, but subordinate guys like Comey, Clapper, and Brennen go to jail, the REAL traitors will have won. this is about Holder, Obama, and the big kahuna- Valerie Jarret. If these traitors skate they will have gotten away with the real coup.

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  29. NJF says:

    Sara’s piece.

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  30. sarasotosfan says:

    Why all those disks? So the FBI could pass the data to the DNC where I believe they uploaded it and perhaps also made it available to outside contractors. This is why the FBI had no interest in examining the DNC derver. They would have found the data they gave the DNC. This is why Crowdstrike was retained. The FBI retained, in their sick minds, deniability.

    By now that server and all the backups are likely history, but Barr needs to start squeezing hard to find somebody to flip.

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  31. Kay Sadeeya says:

    “Tens of thousands of searches over four years (since 2012), and 85% of them are illegal. The results were extracted for?…. (I believe this is all political opposition use; and I’ll explain why momentarily.)”

    So now can we say the Obama Administration was the most corrupt in history without an accusation of hyperbole?

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  32. weirdflunky says:

    Just one indictment. Just one and this whole thing might finally come down. These people are not prepared for serious prison time. We’ve all seen their faces countless times.

    Does anybody honestly think Paige or either of the Ohr’s is prepared for 10 or 20 years? The idea is laughable.

    One serious charge and these “honorable public servants” will show us all how honorable they really are.

    Just one.

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  33. Skidroe says:

    Two things. 1)you know Trump is clean as soap because Obama spied on him before 2016 and couldn’t find enough on him to knock him out. 2) I beleive it all started well before 2012, Obama destroyed the Tea Party using this same method. Obama is the one Barr has got to put in jail.

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  34. no-nonsense-nancy says:

    I feel so educated in all of this. Thank you, Sundance. I only have a couple friends who I can share this material with. None of my family will listen to me, even some who are registered republicans. I’m sure all they listen to watch is the MSM fake news. I spend most of my retired time on this web site and a couple others. I am so grateful to have found CTH when I did.

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  35. scslayer says:

    Uh, anchor hears possible bombshell insider account of the story of the decade and he shifts to “crypto-currency”?!!?

    Liked by 4 people

  36. Skidroe says:

    They had dirt on EVERYONE. They could bribe and blackmail anyone they wanted. Now you know why Justice Roberts changed his vote on Obamacare at the last minute. Maybe why McCain went thumbs down. Romney should have won but he seemed to give up after he blew Obama away in the 1st debate. It was like he didn’t want to win. There are so many more examples. Now we know why Certain things happened the way they did.

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    • Rhoda R says:

      The funny thing about both McCain and Romney is that they BOTH continued to positively support obama against Trump. You’d think that being denied their chance to win the Presidency they’d be a bit miffed and at least SHUT UP than take just about every opportunity to stab Trump in the back.

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    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      The McCain Institute was the same kind of operation as the Clinton Foundation, pay to play. Wouldn’t have been hard for the people in charge to have dirt on him.

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  37. TheLastDemocrat says:

    I have noted before.
    The whole politization of IC story has been disguised as Trump Russia work.

    This arguably is a matter of semantics or opinion.


    If it can be shown that surveillance was done on T Cruz, then game over.

    If fisa warrants obtained to spy on THREE candidates, then it is all over immediately beyond a doubt.

    IC spying in Hiraly could actually be justified under the “she may have been unknowingly exposed” line of argument.

    I think what made Nunes freak out was seeing Cruz, and who knows maybe Fiorini, in the stuff he was able to see in camera.

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  38. CM-TX says:

    May 2, 2017 DNI issued a compliance report…
    It found a total of 30,355, “702-About Searches” that were related to US Private Citizens.
    [Report Should be available on their website]

    *Note*: That # does NOT include the illegal FISA searches made by the FB1, or their sub-contractors!
    Of those 30,355, Judge Collyer ruled that 30,055 of were UNLAWFUL.

    There is NO doubt, the Nobama Admin was illegally monitoring/spying on Private Citizens, & mainly for political reasons. I also don’t believe it was fully STOPPED, or they found another way to access. Apple, & some Cellular Service Providers are somehow involved. As are the Social Media Co’s.

    • Recall the Blueprint for MM & American Bridge, bragging on having “Raw META DATA on FB & Twitter users.” And “realtime monitoring.” How? Who gave it to them?

    • FOX did a story showing how Google tracks your GPS locations thru phone… even when turned off, a/o having no card/service. It also tracks calls, texts, etc. There was a way to pull that information up that was shown in the story.

    • I guarantee the efforts to target Private Citizens continued well into 2017. My experience started in March 2017 (or at least first made aware of the added presence/monitoring on my phone, & beyond🤨).
    FWIW: Key warnings from a possible whitehat “Feds have a File on you… Bid was placed [involving] Private Contractors”. (Why? My political online activity is the only possible answer.)

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  39. Herbert Kroll says:

    “Over time, Byrne and Butina developed an intimate relationship but at the same time he alleges he was continuously reporting on Butina to the FBI in an effort to convince them that it might be worthwhile to introduce her to some of his contacts at the Council on Foreign Relations. ”

    So, David Byrne has contacts at the Council on Foreign Relations, where Soros and the Deep State mix…

    I didn’t believe anything I read, not in the Carter piece, nor in Baldwin’s. It felt like I wasn’t supposed to believe what I read. Makes you wonder what is going on here… Byrne is muddling the waters, I guess…

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  40. DJT2020 says:

    Man this was a great interview! It was sort of an ambush question in that Byrne was unprepared for it and yet had no problem dropping a major bombshell rather casually. The interviewer was stunned but did a good job keeping it rolling. His take dovetails with what we know about the surveillance being widespread. I do think he is rather optimistic about Barr but hey I’ll take it!

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    • desperatelyseekingmelania says:

      Optimism about Barr is indeed the hardest thing to either quantify or justify. The coup, the conspiracy, that’s all pretty well known, at least in broad strokes, to anybody who is paying attention. But which side is Barr on, how in control of his own cabinet is PDJT, these are the more unknowable and disturbing questions.

      All the circumstantial evidence, his career history, all of it, says Barr is a black hat. The only point in his favor is that he was chosen by PDJT. Who presumably had to pick from a list that the Senate would approve.

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  41. sDee says:

    Wonder why Silicon Valley is deep in bed with the Deep State and globalist ideologies? Just look to where and how the NSA get all of the private citizen data used in these abuses?

    Thanks to Sundance, most here understand how the Muh-Russia “crisis” was used to spy on private citizens seen as a political threat to the Deep State. The 2009 Muh-China crisis was used by Google and the NSA to initiate programs which now provide the NSA with direct access to citizen data in any or all of America’s corporate systems – effectively without a warrant.

    (it’s Salon so take some of the points in that context)
    Google’s Secret NSA Alliance: The Terrifying Deals Between Silicon Valley and the Security State
    “As expansive as the NSA’s network of sensors is, it’s sometimes easier to get precise intelligence about hacking campaigns from the targets themselves. That’s why the NSA partnered with Google. It’s why when Mandiant came calling with intelligence on the APT, officials listened to what the private sleuths had to say. Defending cyberspace is too big a job even for the world’s elite spy agency. Whether they like it or not, the NSA and corporations must fight this foe together.”

    Google’s Sergey Brin is just one of hundreds of CEOs who have been brought into the NSA’s circle of secrecy. But the NSA doesn’t have to threaten the executives to get their attention. The agency’s revelations about stolen data and hostile intrusions are frightening in their own right, and deliberately so. “We scare the bejeezus out of them,”

    The NSA and private security companies have a symbiotic relationship. The government scares the CEOs and they run for help to experts such as Mandiant.

    Private high-level meetings are just one way the NSA has forged alliances with corporations. Several classified programs allow companies to share the designs of their products with the agency so it can inspect them for flaws and, in some instances, install backdoors or other forms of privileged access.

    Companies that promise to disclose (security) holes in their products only to the spy agencies are paid for their silence, say experts and officials who are familiar with the arrangements.

    The NSA helps the companies find weaknesses in their products. But it also pays the companies not to fix some of them. Those weak spots give the agency an entry point for spying or attacking foreign governments that install the products in their intelligence agencies, their militaries, and their critical infrastructure. Microsoft, for instance, shares zero day vulnerabilities in its products with the NSA before releasing a public alert or a software patch, according to the company and U.S. officials. Cisco, one of the world’s top network equipment makers, leaves backdoors in its routers so they can be monitored by U.S. agencies

    Telecommunications companies in particular must build their equipment in such a way that it can be tapped by a law enforcement agency presenting a court order.

    Most phone calls in the United States pass through AT&T equipment at some point, regardless of which carrier initiates them. The company’s infrastructure is one of the most important and frequently tapped repositories of electronic intelligence for the NSA and U.S. law enforcement agencies.

    The government, mainly through the NSA, gives threat intelligence to two Internet service providers, AT&T and CenturyLink. They, in turn, can sell “enhanced cybersecurity services,” to companies that the government deems vital to national and economic security.

    The potential customer base for government-supplied cyber intelligence, sold through corporations, is as diverse as the U.S. economy itself. Officially, there are sixteen sectors: chemical; commercial facilities, to include shopping centers, sports venues, casinos, and theme parks; communications; critical manufacturing; dams; the defense industrial base; emergency services, such as first responders and search and rescue; energy; financial services; food and agriculture; government facilities; health care and public health; information technology; nuclear reactors, materials, and waste; transportation systems; and water and wastewater systems.



    • sDee says:

      On one point…
      “Telecommunications companies in particular must build their equipment in such a way that it can be tapped by a law enforcement agency presenting a court order.”

      ….we know political and corrupt the system is to get such a court order


  42. litlbit2 says:

    Said this sometime back in connection with the use of Obama using his position for the benefit of many evil people. IMHO, Obama is not smart enough to due much more than follow orders. Therefore, I would not understand why, when those reviewing those doing searches on President Trump. That AG Barr is not investigating every name that did a search, the query, as well as all other people connected to the searcher. These are very evil, greedy people. When access was allowed, to believe the searches were only Trump and associates? How much more spying than President Trump! Business partners, rivals, human/country/banks/loans etc? If they resort to this much criminal activity for a election, does anyone think it was only about the election after they learned how easy it was to spy on anyone?

    Maybe we need an investigation? Never heard “appalled” used in connection with FISA, Judges, DOJ, FBI, Gang of Eight, but what the heck only going on three years! With probably the highest profile prisoner every allowed to hang himself without being recorded. The frustrations of President Trump?

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  43. Jim S. says:

    I think discussion of this issue is incomplete without integrating Snowden into the conversation. He was a whistle blower who released documents that showed that there was an increase in government spying.


  44. OhNoYouDont says:

    According to the July 25, 2019 letter to U.S. Attorney’s Durham, Horowitz (IG), and Amundson (OPR), Maria Butina’s Defense Attorney Robert Driscoll claimed the government excluded exculpatory evidence.


    By email, letter, phone, and in person, the defense repeatedly pressed the government for any Brady material and was not provided any. In particular, we suggested to the government a strong suspicion that counterintelligence or other FBI investigators used confidential informants (“CIs”) in their investigation of Maria, and that information provided by such witnesses to the government might be relevant to guilt or sentencing. Moreover, we suggested that the government had presented Maria with one or more “dangles”—that is, orchestrated opportunities to provide the government information unwittingly while being observed.

    In writing, the government denied the existence of any such Brady material. Orally, during debrief sessions with Maria, I directly told the government that I believed Patrick Byrne, Chief Executive of Overstock.com, who had a sporadic relationship with Maria over a period of years prior to her arrest, was a government informant. My speculation was flatly denied. My associate Alfred Carry ade similar assertions in a separate debrief that he covered and was also rebuffed.

    Mr. Byrne has now contacted me and has confirmed that he, indeed, had a “non-standard arrangement” with the FBI for many years, and that beginning in 2015 through Maria’s arrest, he communicated and assisted government agents with their investigation of Maria. During this time, he stated he acted at the direction of the government and federal agents by, at their instruction, kindling a manipulative romantic relationship with her.

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  45. Doug Amos says:

    Obama is a few points below President Trump’s I Q. He is not dumb; he is a relentless snake that embraces evil easily. Turmoil and destruction are his gods and he remains 1 of the most dangerous men in the world.


  46. Shyster says:

    Ok I get the proposition that the Steele Dossier and use of the FISA and FISC process could be used to hide/justify the illegal 702/703 inquires, spying, against Trump and his team that had already been committed and that would be going forward with an allegedly “legal” predicate; however, the FISA warrants against Carter Page, General Flynn, Manafort and probably Poppa -D would do nothing to provide a legitimate “legal” predicate for the other, 1000 to 9,999, illegal political non predicated searches the contractors were allegedly doing. That said, what was the plan to shield this searches from exposure an resulting criminal liability? Because just getting Trump out would do little to keep these illegal searches hidden given Pence would be the one to take over if Trump was impeached. So any thoughts as to these issues by anyone would be helpful.


  47. MVW says:

    You left out a linchpin player, Jeff Sessions. Without good old boy, Jeff, DOJ would have been out of the coup plotters’ hands. He was key to enable putting everything in motion.

    Remember the odd thing about ol’Jeff and engagement with Trump’s campaign? Sessions NEVER involved himself in any presidential campaign before and there were many opportunities. By joining the campaign early Jeff gained the great favor of being considered for The Key JOB, Attorney General. Further, Jeff, at one time early in his career was an AG of a state.

    The ‘Tell’ that Jeff was dirty was when out of the blue, for no good reason, Jeff put Lois Lerner, the central figure in the IRS felony out of prosecution, no charges. Get out of Jail, for free.

    There are too numerous to count times Jeff showed his hand by conveniently NOT doing his job enabled the coup to do its work.

    Jeff was the sleeper. @#$%#$%^! Only the CIA plots this well, but Brennan is not this bright. He is an idiot.

    So there is another very, very smart & clever person in the CIA that is not on our radar, & likely still in place. Gina?

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  48. Zimbalistjunior says:

    Um this Overstock fella just dragged Warren Buffett into this and some questions re Buffett and the Deep State May consequently arise.

    Um some enterprising journalists may want to delve into Buffets financial success and whether he had any help from the Deep State and/or whether the legend of Buffett is accurate.

    Oh oh.

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  49. Raquel says:

    In order for the Obama -dream government to operate, control of the masses has to be in operation. The different governmental agencies had to be on board and operating in accordance to the needs of that totalitarian style of governance. Think KGB. The IRS scandal began to expose the operational style of that type of government. The tip of the iceberg being exposed was a wake-up call to many of us who never thought that it could happen in this country. We are now just learning how deep that iceberg goes. Jim Jordan and Devin Nunes keep saying that if it can happen to Donald Trump, imagine what can happen to the rest of us, those of us who don’t have the public exposure as a defensive mechanism.

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